Decrying First Amendment Threat, FIRE Will Defend Pollster Whom Trump Sued for 'Consumer Fraud'
The president-elect frivolously claims that J. Ann Selzer and The Des Moines Register owe him damages because of an erroneous preelection poll.

After Donald Trump sued pollster J. Ann Selzer and The Des Moines Register under Iowa's Consumer Fraud Act last month, Robert Corn-Revere, chief counsel at the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE), called the president-elect's claims "absurd" and "a direct assault on the First Amendment." Acting on that assessment, FIRE this week announced that it will represent Selzer as she fights Trump's allegation that she defrauded consumers by conducting a preelection poll that erroneously gave Democratic nominee Kamala Harris a narrow lead in Iowa.
Trump's lawsuit, which was originally filed in the Iowa District Court for Polk County but has been transferred to the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Iowa, "violates long-standing constitutional principles" and is "entirely meritless under the Iowa law," FIRE says. The organization describes the case as "the very definition" of a "strategic lawsuit against public participation" (SLAPP). Such lawsuits, it explains, "are filed purely for the purpose of imposing punishing litigation costs on perceived opponents, not because they have any merit or stand any chance of success." FIRE says the case also exemplifies "a worrying trend of activists and officials using consumer fraud lawsuits to target political speech they don't like."
Selzer conducted a presidential poll for the Register that indicated Harris had a small lead over Trump in Iowa. According to that poll, which was released on the Saturday before the election, 47 percent of Iowa voters favored Harris, compared to 44 percent for Trump. Those results proved to be off by more than a little: Trump won Iowa by a 13-point margin.
"Selzer's Iowa polls have long enjoyed 'gold standard' status, accurately predicting Donald Trump's victories in Iowa in 2016 and 2020," FIRE says. "But despite using the same methodology as her previous polls, Selzer's final 2024 poll, commissioned by the Register, was this cycle's outlier, predicting a narrow Harris victory."
Selzer "owned up to the margin between her poll and the eventual outcome of Trump comfortably winning Iowa," FIRE adds. "She acknowledged the 'biggest miss of my career' and did what good pollsters do: She explained her methodology and publicly shared the poll's crosstabs (results reported out by demographic and attitudinal subgroups), its questionnaire (with demographic information and weighted and unweighted responses), and her theories on the results, inviting others to offer theirs in turn."
Selzer's admission of error was not good enough for Trump. His lawsuit argues that publication of the poll's surprising results, which generated wide news coverage, amounted to "brazen election interference" that violated Iowa's Consumer Fraud Act.
Trump's use of that statute, like his claim that CBS violated the Texas Deceptive Trade Practices Act by editing a 60 Minutes interview with Harris to make her seem slightly more cogent, is plainly frivolous. Both laws are aimed at fraud that harms consumers by misleading them in connection with the sale of products or services. Yet neither lawsuit explains how the press coverage that offended Trump falls into that category.
"Consumer fraud laws target sellers who make false statements to get you to buy something," FIRE notes. "They're about the scam artist who rolls back the odometer on a used car, not a newspaper poll or TV weather forecast that gets it wrong."
To make out a claim under Iowa's consumer fraud law, Trump "must identify a fraudulent or deceptive statement 'in connection with the advertisement, sale, or lease of consumer merchandise, or the solicitation of contributions for charitable purposes,'" FIRE says. "Selzer's poll did not advertise or solicit anything, much less [promote] 'consumer merchandise,' which Iowa law defines as that intended for 'personal, family, or household uses.'" Nor does conducting or publishing a poll constitute "election interference" under Iowa law, which includes "conduct like submitting a 'counterfeit official election ballot,' encouraging someone to vote when you know they legally cannot, or other forms of direct interference with the conduct of the election."
Trump's claim that voters misled by the Register poll count as defrauded consumers under Iowa's law is inconsistent with the First Amendment as well as the statutory text. "The notion that officials can recast the electorate as 'consumers' to punish political speech or news they don't like is squarely at odds with the First Amendment," FIRE says. "Yet it's a theory increasingly advanced by partisans on both the left and the right. From the left, there are calls to regulate 'misinformation' on social issues and, from the right, calls to impose 'accountability' on news media for their political commentary."
FIRE notes that "a progressive nonprofit tried to use a Washington state consumer protection law in an unsuccessful lawsuit against Fox News over its COVID-19 commentary," while "attorneys general on the right" have "used the same 'we're just punishing falsehoods' theory to target progressive outlets." Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, for example, is investigating the possibility that Media Matters for America violated his state's Deceptive Trade Practices Act by trying to steer advertisers away from X, which the organization criticized for allowing "content that touts Adolf Hitler and his Nazi Party." Media Matters "cannot show that any of its underlying speech is protected by the First Amendment," Paxton argues, "since one can constitutionally be liable for statements that are 'likely to mislead or confuse consumers,' even if the statements are 'literally true.'"
Even when a SLAPP seems doomed to fail on the merits, as with Trump's claims against Selzer and the Register, the process becomes the punishment for defendants because they must devote time and money to fending off the suit. That is why some states have enacted anti-SLAPP laws that require plaintiffs who file meritless lawsuits based on constitutionally protected speech to cover the defendants' legal expenses.
Since "Iowa is not among those states," FIRE says, it is "stepping in to represent Selzer and her polling company" pro bono against Trump's lawsuit. "Any attempt—by Democrats, Republicans, or anyone else—to punish and chill reporting of unfavorable news is an affront to the First Amendment," FIRE says. "Hearing an opinion or prediction that turns out to be 'wrong' is the price of living in a free society. And no American should fear that their commentary on American elections should subject them to liability."
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Look at all the fuckwit hypocrites decry lying when someone else does it.
Hey Trump if you think lying is actionable, it is, then criminalize it.
RM;dr
RM;refuted.
Almost nobody in the comments section is a libertarian. 90% dumb authoritarian conservatives, 9% dumb authoritarian progressives, and 1% libertarians.
I've observed that. These morons think that Libertarian and Conservative are they same thing.
Traditional conservatism is similar. Modern republicans are nothing like traditional conservatives.
True conservatism died with the Old Right. Once the Right accepted the New Deal and the idea of big government, there ceased to be a true opposition to progressivism. I use the analogy that while Leftists are in the basement of the house with sledgehammers, Republicans are upstairs arguing about paint colors. The Right is totally oblivious to the structural deficiencies of modern America politics and pretty well content with rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Stupid NM Dave does not know that arch-conservative Russell Kirk said Libertraianim and Conservatism has at most ONE THING in common, distrust of big government and NM likes big government --- Irony this overflowing comes not often in life.
1% dumb libertarians
No true Libertarian.
How authoritarian is it to be the God who tells people what they are.
We have one pompous asshole in the comments section, that is all I know.
The catch is that the buyer wanted these false results. If the buyer wants a dishonest product, it's not fraud.
Putting aside the legal question on whether Trump has standing to sue, there is axquestion of whether this was an honest error in polling methodology or whether this was a deliberate attempt to bolster the Harris campaign and create false news that Harris was more competitive in the race than she actually was. Even if Selzer did not deliberately skew her poll, there is no question that the mainstream media latched onto her bad poll like a life preserver.
If "bolstering a campaign with false news" was legally actionable then every POTUS in our lifetime, 98% of Congress, and the vast majority of the commenters here would have their assets seized.
What an amazing insight Mike. I'm sure you're not part of that 98% at all. The DNC narratives you push are always true and when they change it is because the facts changed.
I was not opining on whether it was legal, but was it professionally ethical. That is a different standard.
I'd say that in fairness the question would and should be asked. Otoh, it seems pretty clear that fraud was the intent. Let's see proof of the two claims.
The poll was trash as were most publicly released polls. It's hard to see how any of them would would owe a candidate money, but when they are published with MOEs that are total bullshit, somebody should have some recourse. If they weren't legitimized, it wouldn't ever matter how shitty they are.
It is the other lawsuit that probably has a better pathway for discovery as it is subscribers to the newspaper using fraud claims.
I’ve long said that newspaper subscribers should sue leftist newspapers for breach of contract.
Funny how Jacob sees Trump's words as "insurrection" and worthy of jail time along with Mackey's meme post but misinformation that is laughably wrong intended to sway the electorate by his tribe is just fine. Fuck off you Marxist propagandists, this is nothing but "free speech for me, not for thee" which appears to be Reason Libertarianism these days.
I wonder what Jacob would say if she or the Register turned around and tried to sue Trump for defamation?
misinformation that is laughably wrong intended to sway the electorate
So, you're now in favor of fact-checking on social media?
When you're outside the margin of error by a factor of 10x the term laughably absurd is appropriate you ignorant Marxist pedo enabler.
Suddenly conservatives, who until this very moment championed "loser pays" when it comes to frivolous lawsuits, decided that they always supported using lawsuits to bankrupt people they don't like.
Poor sarcjeff.
Yeah poor sarc. He doesn't change his heartfelt beliefs at the drop of a hat based upon the cult of personality surrounding a former gameshow host.
Pour Sarc.
Pour Sarc.
Cmon now.
Only suits against Trump are valid.
From NDAs to speech to petitioning courts.
Those are the supportable lawfare according to sarc.
*snort*
You're doing that thing again where you accuse others of what you are doing while you are doing it. You've made it very clear that all lawsuits against Team Trump are invalid, but you celebrate when he sues others. Now you're projecting your dearth of principles onto me. Must be a day that ends in 'y'.
Are these the "ideas" you talk about so much?
He hardly spends any time here.
You’re an idiot drunk.
‘Smirk’
Very few conservatives or progressives are principled on freedom of expression issues, and there are very few libertarians in the comments section of Reason articles.
Why assume the poll was erroneous and not fraud? If only there was a venue where this could be debated and if any actual harm was done.
Always assume malice when something can be otherwise explained as a mistake or simply being wrong.
Nobody is assuming but you. Merely pointing out when there is a question, courts are where we settle the dispute. Your reading comprehension is getting worse.
I was flipping Hanlon's razor because that's what Trump defenders do.
Your Trump fixation really is something to behold.
Hating Trump, and bottom shelf liquor, are what keep him going.
It should at least go to discovery or release the raw data. Would quickly answer the questions.
We can assume malice if she was paid for her efforts to create a shit poll.
We can assume that based on Selzer's stellar track record as a pollster *and* the fact that she actually has publicly released her data and methodology. There is no indication of fraud whatsoever. You don't just get to file lawsuits because it is theoretically possible that fraud occurred.
More to the point, however, is that it doesn't matter even if the poll was deliberately fraudulent. It is still protected political speech. As such, there is no point in using the courts as a "venue" to debate fraud and damages. The outcome is the same no matter what.
Finally, I'll also note that Trump, of all people, should be wary of creating liability for saying deliberate falsehoods for political ends.
You tried this lie before and I linked to your lies last time. She released the results of her data, not her raw data. She did not release her adjustments to the data.
You're just lying.
A 5-sigma population draw error is pretty fucking bad if that is your claim.
A 5-sigma population draw error is pretty fucking bad if that is your claim.
There are all kinds of trauma markers associated with torque and flailing and the majority of the Western World regards shaking or flailing as a known and demonstrable way to harm children even several years old but because a minority group of activists assert that certain specific cases of shaken baby syndrome are dubious virtually every use of it in any child abuse case is junk science.
But polling methodology is unassailable epistemological fact handed from on high by the birthing or non-birthing person, xerself.
You don't just get to file lawsuits because it is theoretically possible that fraud occurred
This is litteraly the threshold for filing a lawsuit, that fraud was possible.
The funny part is the whole conception or frame of mind is retarded and antithetic as to the specific intent of the specific justice system.
Common Law is literally divided into "American Rule" and "English Rule" by virtue of the idea that, in America, lawsuits can be filed and won or lost equally by everyone. Whereas in British Rule, traditionally, The Crown enjoyed privilege and the cost of arbitration was born by the losers and/or plaintiffs.
The FF felt that "Loser pays" was unduly burdensome specifically because they felt that everyone should be more able to bring suit and have their case heard.
I don't disagree with the notion that the threshold should be higher or lower but the statement of "I proclaim someone doesn't get to file a lawsuit based on the virtue of my own statement and my proclamation that their case is merely a theory." is just laughably stupid. Even under modern British Rule common law.
Her stellar track record actually cuts against this being an innocent mistake and she has not released the raw data and subsequent manipulation reasoning.
Why assume the poll was erroneous and not fraud?
But even if it is fraud, is it not covered in the 1st amendment to lie? Isn't that what media does 24/7 now?
If a manufacturer claims a sugar laden cereal is heathy because it has some fiber, is that fraud or protected speech?
I'd say protected speech, because 'healthy' is subjective.
But to rescue your analogy, if they said it was sugar free, that would be consumer fraud because it is a lie about a product they are selling.
So leading in a poll in subjective?
No. The poll was not trying to sell a product so it's not consumer fraud.
He's the one of the dumbest people in these comments, and probably the first one I put on mute. Got cement for brains. Interacting with him will cause your IQ to drop. I recommend against it.
Hmmm. I haven't found that to be the case with DLAM. He's a joker though, which I enjoy.
If you say so. I've never found him to be funny, insightful, or thought provoking. Just an incredibly dull boor. I can't stand Will Ferrell either, for the same reasons. Just dull and stupid. Ferrell has a market, so maybe Dlam is funny. I just can't see it. They both make me feel like by brain was tuned down into something stupid whenever I look at their work.
Fair enough. I can't say I'm a big Will Ferrell fan. I hated him and all his cast-mates on SNL, but Old School, Stepbrothers and Elf won me over for his later stuff.
You’re too stupid to get his humor Sarc,
The poll was trying to sell Kamala.
I think one could argue that political polls are trying to sell you on a candidate/policy, but YMMV.
That is what the court is for. Lawsuit =/= it actually happened or was against the law. Why is this so hard for people to understand?
I'm not following you here.
People have rights, when there is a question as to who's right has been violated, we go to the court to settle disputes. But Trump! Is not a valid dodge to avoid the legal process. His claim may or may not have merit. But he has a right to go to court and engage in discovery so it can be determined if the pollster was commiting fraud, acting with malice, or was merely exercising her 1st amendment right. We use courts to suss out these things.
How was Trump harmed?
His lawsuit argues that publication of the poll's surprising results, which generated wide news coverage, amounted to "brazen election interference" that violated Iowa's Consumer Fraud Act.
Did you read the article?
Yes, and that doesn't answer my question. He won the election. So... How was he harmed?
And how the fuck is that consumer fraud? Who is the consumer? The person watching the news? If that's the case then Fox News is guilty of consumer fraud all the fucking time (along with MSLSD, CNN and the rest). As Mark Twain said "If you don't read the papers you're uninformed. If you read the papers you are misinformed."
Fraud doesn't have to be effective to be illegal. If you get caught using fake money and the business doesn't give you the product it is still fraud. People who pay for news are the consumer. And yes, Fox, CNN, etc routinely defraud their customers by pretending to be neutral news and when they go to court they say we are entertainment not news.
How was Trump harmed?
The irony here being that sarc for sure, but pretty sure QB did too, supported the Mackey trial despite the prosecution not finding a single voter who thought Mackeys post was real and couldn't vote.
It is always different for them with democrats.
but pretty sure QB did too
Not me. I think it was a joke clearly protected by 1A.
Had to look Mackey up. I can say for certain that Jesse and the gang would have called for this guy getting the death penalty if he had been on the other team. Principles shminciples. It's all about who, not what.
I'm a slow learner.
Ironic that Jesse brings up Mackey. What Mackey did was WAY closer to Fraud than what Selzer did. Mackey stole Hillary campaign IP and put false messages on it to make it look like those messages came directly from the campaign. And of course Jesse and the rest of the braindead MAGA morons let Mackey off the hook but crucify Selzer for 'fraud'.
@sarc
Nobody here called for the death penalty for the woman, can’t remember her name now, who essentially did the same thing but against Trump. Just sayin.
I'm a slow learner.
Well that looks a little out of context now.
"And of course Jesse and the rest of the braindead MAGA morons let Mackey off the hook but crucify Selzer for 'fraud'."
Was Selzer criminally prosecuted?
Then it's not the same.
That's part of the difference between criminal law and civil litigation. Fraudulent money is called "counterfeit," and it's against criminal law to use it. No damages are necessary, any more than the government must prove damages if one is charged with gambling or DUI. The "wronged" party is the State, because you had the temerity to violate its rules. In a civil case, however, the idea is that the plaintiff has been harmed, and therefore is suing to be made whole. If there's no harm, there's no basis for a civil case.
Thanks for the clarification. I get what you're saying.
Trump has his right to discovery, I agree. As a non-lawyer, the case seems simple. I think the court would be wrong to agree with his case.
I also think there should be some preventative factor in frivolous lawsuits where the loser pays all costs. This is a half-baked idea though because how to determine frivolous is problematic, and making every loser pay the winners fees would be problematic for justice.
The people defending Trump have long advocated for 'loser pays' to curtail frivolous lawsuits. They are completely and totally opposed to that at this moment in time because it would mean Trump can't punish his enemies with attorney fees and court costs. Soon as Trump is done forcing his enemies to pay out the nose to lawyers they'll return to their principled stance. But for the moment it's all about defending Trump.
It’s all about stopping democrats election fraud. But you’re too stupid to understand that.
Seems loser pays would make sure Trump has a solid case, does it not? He does not want to be on the hook if he loses, so he would be less likely to bring up frivolous suits, it would seem.
Yes. 100% correct. It would strongly encourage only winnable cases.
The problem I see is with issues like qualified immunity or other unjust laws. As an example, the cases where a cop steals money while searching a house. No precedent there means you're unlikely to win a lawsuit. Justice denied and a victim is double punished.
The democrat media should be prosecuted for serial and ongoing criminal violations of federal election laws. And as this is an ongoing criminal enterprise crossing state lines, RICO will attach.
If she offered a coherent answer for how her methodology innocently produced such an incorrect result then I might be able to entertain it. The absence of such indicates professional malpractice and fraud. It isn't proof, but is the most likely answer.
When this poll was released, it was at such a variance with all other polling as to be 1] unbelievable or 2] shining a bright gleam of hope on Harris' chances. Being the justified cynic that I am, I immediately opted for choice #1 while suspecting it's intent was choice #2.
I have not delved into this poll, but it is very hard to believe that one poll could be so off at such a critical time leading up to the election. I cannot comment as to whether or not that is worthy of a lawsuit, but I do believe there are valid grounds for suspecting deliberate fraud on the part of Selzer to mislead voters. As Trump has and continues to be subjected to lawfare for any conceivable "untruth" or offense, what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
And how quickly DNC media latched onto the poll, the fact Ann said she wouldn't renew her contract to pursue other opportunities, etc. Everything around the poll is suspect.
They certainly did, as was intended. Selzer more or less fell on her own sword.
Or just as likely, the pile of money the Harris campaign provided.
We should be taking a look at her finances.
"Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime"--definitely advice from someone smart that we should emulate, and not the head of Stalin's secret police
As Trump has and continues to be subjected to lawfare for any conceivable "untruth" or offense, what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Yeah. After RUSHIN' KOLLUSHUN!, Blasey-Ford, E Jean Carroll, No Standing/Moot Point, The Twitter Files, The Facebook Files, Bragg, STOLEN DOCUMENTS! the cries of "No fair SLAPPing!" don't carry the least bit of water.
Akin to the retardation about IVF and Priscilla Villarreal, it's not like Trump is going after every poll or every poll that showed him as losing. He's pursuing a poll that was noted, even by its advocates, for its slant and timing for how notable, timely, and slanted it was.
This is like the investigation into voting fraud in 2016. Where everybody thought he was a kook until he started taking them seriously, at which point he became a kook for taking them seriously.
"Such lawsuits are filed purely for the purpose of imposing punishing litigation costs on perceived opponents"
If so, the remedy is for the judge in the case to dismiss the lawsuit with prejudice and fine the plaintiff proportional to the magnitude of the violation. However, the point here is that Trump has already succeeded in punishing the defendant even if the judge dismisses the suit tomorrow. That is the American system of injustice, and I can see no remedy for it any time in the near future.
She should be punished. She’s guilty. And it sends a message to democrats that they will be held accountable for their crimes.
"Such lawsuits are filed purely for the purpose of imposing punishing litigation costs on perceived opponents"
Oh noes! What did you think was going to happen?
Here's Reasons "friends at the Bulwark" pouncing on the Selzer poll:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-ysKh_Gyd0
Selzer: "I'm prepared that one day it won't work and I'll blow up into tiny pieces and be scattered across the City of Des Moines."
Trump: "You're past due, fraud."
Native born Iowa current resident here. There is no way that this poll was valid. Few here would put up with 4 years of that screeching harpy. Except for the commies in Iowa City and Des Moines.
Good, FIRE(xpression) has a terrible record of doing a shitty job defending the worst people. Discovery should be epic.
Once again it's funny; with all the lawfare, SLAPPing, and frivolous litigation that's gone on in the past several years, I haven't once heard or seen FIRE on the other side of the issue. E. Jean Carroll, Christine Blasey Ford, teachers suing Schools and Universities for peaceably reopening after COVID, etc., etc., etc. apparently there's no chilling of free speech going on there (FIRE frequently, deliberately, and even proudly ignores the free association part of the 1A to their own benefit).
Remember when FIRE(ducation) opposed the last minute cancellation of speeches and the imposition of campus rape tribunals because it chilled *both* free speech *and* free association? It's almost like when they were morphed into FIRE(xpression) they became just another ACLU-lite or nuveau that only cares about specific civil rights in specific cases and gives less than zero shits about rights otherwise.
One of the fastest declines I've ever seen. FIRE started as a force for good, but quickly morphed into ACLU-light. They're on the wrong side of the culture war. They've been stretching the justification for what cases they pick.
You are completely ignorant of FIRE's history.
No, he recognizes their history explicitly and points to the turning point in that history. JFC you leftists are stupid.
So, FIRE is completely dead.
This is why I'm proud to support FIRE. They protect the First Amendment rights of everybody, regardless of ideology.
So "lawfare," the using of our legal system to go after our political enemies, is wrong, unless Trump does it. Got it.
It's called being hoisted on your own petard, and most people see it as "poetic justice." Maybe if enough "pokes to the eyes" get "kicks to the groin" in return, they might cool it with this crap.
Yes that's right, lawfare is okay if it's done by the 'good guys' to 'make a point'. It's bad if it's done by the 'bad guys' to 'destroy their enemies'. Always the who, never the what.
Team MAGA can always be trusted with power because they are the good guys with good intentions. Right? This is how you get the state committing atrocities while the people cheer it on.
No retard, by your logic self defense would always be wrong as it is a response in kind to the aggression of others.
But you are not proposing 'self defense'. You are proposing revenge justified as 'self defense'.
What was the aggression that Selzer initiated against Trump? Hmm? Answer: none. But some OTHER people did some bad things to Trump, so you think it is now justified for Trump to do whatever bad things he wishes to anyone he hates.
Self defense is, "This person punched me, so I will punch him back." What you propose is, "This person punched me, so I will burn down the house of his neighbor." Not the same.
What was the aggression that Selzer initiated against Trump?
Creating a fake poll with the intent of lying about him.
>>Selzer "owned up to the margin between her poll and the eventual outcome of Trump comfortably winning Iowa
not when given the opportunity before it became consumer fraud
>>"Selzer's Iowa polls have long enjoyed 'gold standard' status, accurately predicting Donald Trump's victories in Iowa in 2016 and 2020," FIRE says.
exactly why Selzer would fail a Sullivan challenge.
The Selzer poll sure sounds like 'culture of free speech' to me, doesn't it?
You all can't have it both ways.
An obvious question is the sample size. I don't see that described anywhere. Nor do I see whether the samples were random. Small n (sample size) studies are anything but valid. It sounds as if there was a lot of cherry-picking of interviewees. And if that happened, the poll itself was at least incompetently done, if not fraudulently. I'm not sure whether incompetence is a basis for the proposed l lawsuit, but fraud is.
There are plenty clever ways to be fraudulent. Then again, there are plenty non-clever [stupid] ways to be incompetent.
"Using a creative interpretation of the law to go after a political opponent" is:
1. Awful and terrible when a NY prosecutor does it to Trump
2. Totally fine when Trump does it to an Iowa pollster
Journalism today IS a consumer fraud. Not a single legacy media outlet can call themselves a news outlet, they are propaganda tools useful only for the deep state. Overpaid media hacks, bought off and blackmailed, along with useless other hacks like Taylor Lorenze and Joe Scarborough . Fake news shows such as The View, filled with vapid, ignorant and post menopausal females . The entire lot of them could fade away into obscurity and not be missed.
They are the reason why Joe Rogan, James O'keefe and Tucker Carlson have now become the dominant source for news and information.
The legacy media is dead.
Journalism today IS a consumer fraud.
+1 Was the poll reported by anyone other than the people who conducted it? If so, then like the FBI 'wiretapping' an opposition political candidate, the issue isn't whether fraud was involved but at what all levels and who knowingly participated.
I appreciate FIRE's moral consistency in defending this. However, it needs to be side by side with their offer to take up the defense costs in Trump's myriad suits in the last few years brought by government entities with unlimited resources. Or did I miss that one?
I don't care what Selzer did or didn't release post-election to justify herself, her poll walks like a duck and quacks. Maybe when she got results which were at odds with every other poll, she could have held back and done some cross-checking before rushing to publish it. But, the results fit the desired narrative, so it was too good to pass up. Was that lack of professional humility or willful neglect?
Trump seems on completely safe legal ground here. I don't see ven one comment here that doesn't boil down to "IF I call it a poll I can say anything"