Trump Mounts a 'Direct Assault on the First Amendment' by Portraying Journalism As Consumer Fraud
The president-elect's lawsuit against The Des Moines Register is a patently frivolous and constitutionally dubious attempt to intimidate the press.

A month before the presidential election, 60 Minutes aired an interview with the Democratic nominee, Vice President Kamala Harris, that was edited to make her response to a question about Israel "more succinct," as the show's producers put it. But Donald Trump, then the Republican nominee and now the president-elect, complained that "her REAL ANSWER WAS CRAZY, OR DUMB, so they actually REPLACED it with another answer in order to save her or, at least, make her look better." As Trump saw it, that was "A FAKE NEWS SCAM, which is totally illegal."
How so? According to a lawsuit that Trump filed against CBS in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas on October 31, the editing of the Harris interview violated that state's Deceptive Trade Practices Act, causing him "at least" $10 billion in damages. A lawsuit that Trump filed against The Des Moines Register this week follows the same playbook, claiming that the newspaper's coverage of an inaccurate presidential poll violated Iowa's Consumer Fraud Act.
In both cases, Trump implausibly describes news reporting as "election interference" that constitutes consumer fraud because it misleads viewers or readers. It is hard to overstate the threat that such reasoning, which seeks to transform journalism that irks Trump into a tort justifying massive damage awards, poses to freedom of the press.
Although neither lawsuit is likely to make much headway, the cost of defending against such litigation is apt to have a chilling effect on journalism, which is what Trump wants. "We have to straighten out the press," he told reporters on Monday, explaining his motivation in suing CBS and the Register.
The lead defendant in the latter case, which was originally filed in the Iowa District Court for Polk County but has been transferred to the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Iowa, is pollster J. Ann Selzer, who conducted a pre-election voter survey for the Register that indicated Harris had a small lead over Trump in Iowa. According to that poll, which was released on the Saturday before the election, 47 percent of Iowa voters favored Harris, compared to 44 percent for Trump. Those results proved to be off by more than a little: Trump won Iowa by a 13-point margin.
The Register reported the poll results three days before the election under the headline "Iowa Poll: Kamala Harris Leapfrogs Donald Trump to Take Lead Near Election Day." Reporter Brianne Pfannenstiel began the story this way: "Kamala Harris now leads Donald Trump in Iowa—a startling reversal for Democrats and Republicans who have all but written off the state's presidential contest as a certain Trump victory." Pfannenstiel quoted Selzer, who said: "It's hard for anybody to say they saw this coming. She has clearly leaped into a leading position."
The poll, Pfannenstiel reported, "shows that women—particularly those who are older or who are politically independent—are driving the late shift toward Harris." Selzer amplified that point, saying "age and gender are the two most dynamic factors that are explaining these numbers."
Trump was outraged by the poll. "It's called suppression," he said at a rally in Pennsylvania the day after the Register ran Pfannenstiel's story. Selzer questioned that take. "I think this poll stands a good chance of motivating Republicans to get out and vote," she told the Register. "They may have thought they'd win easily. So it's hard to think it's suppression." But Trump was sure that a poll suggesting Harris was ahead by a few points would discourage his supporters from voting. "They suppress," he said at the rally. "And it actually should be illegal."
In fact, it was illegal, Trump's lawsuit argues. It says publication of the erroneous poll's surprising results, which generated wide news coverage, amounted to "brazen election interference" that violated the Iowa Consumer Fraud Act.
That law prohibits "a person" from engaging in "a practice or act" that he "knows or reasonably should know is an unfair practice, deception, fraud, false pretense, or false promise, or the misrepresentation, concealment, suppression, or omission of a material fact, with intent that others rely upon the unfair practice, deception, fraud, false pretense, false promise, misrepresentation, concealment, suppression, or omission in connection with the advertisement, sale, or lease of consumer merchandise." It authorizes consumers harmed by such chicanery to sue for damages.
In this case, Trump's lawsuit says, the consumers include "President Trump, together with all Iowa and American voters." The "merchandise" includes "physical newspapers, online newspapers, and other content" that reported the results of Selzer's poll.
The defendants "engaged in 'deception,'" the lawsuit says, "because the [poll] was 'likely to mislead a substantial number of consumers as to a material fact or facts,' to wit: the actual position of the respective candidates in the Iowa Presidential race." Selzer and the Register "engaged in an 'unfair act or practice' because the publication and release of the [poll] 'cause[d] substantial, unavoidable injury to consumers that [was] not outweighed by any consumer or competitive benefits which the practice produced.'"
Trump complains that his campaign was "forced to divert enormous campaign and financial resources to Iowa" because of the poll. He says "consumers within Iowa who paid for subscriptions to the Des Moines Register or who otherwise purchased the publication were also badly deceived." So were "Iowans who contributed to the Trump 2024 Campaign."
Unlike Trump's lawsuit against CBS, which preposterously claims that editing the 60 Minutes interview to make Harris seem slightly more cogent caused him damages "reasonably believed to be at least $10,000,000,000," his lawsuit against Selzer and the Register does not include a dollar figure. But it argues that "because the Defendants' conduct was willful and wanton," Trump is "entitled to statutory damages three times the actual damages suffered."
Trump's use of the Iowa Consumer Fraud Act, like his use of the Texas Deceptive Trade Practices Act, is plainly frivolous. Both of these laws are aimed at fraud that harms consumers by misleading them in connection with their purchases of products or services. Trump seems to be arguing that Register subscribers have a statutory right to expect that the newspaper's reporting will never be inaccurate or misleading. The implication is that they have a cause of action whenever the Register gets something wrong.
By Trump's reasoning, flubs like the Chicago Tribune's "Dewey Defeats Truman" story are not such embarrassing mistakes; they are "unfair" and "deceptive" trade practices that justify civil damages. Kash Patel, Trump's pick to run the FBI, similarly claims that news outlets illegally "rig[ged] presidential elections" when they reported on the 2016 Trump campaign's alleged ties to the Russian government, cast doubt on the authenticity of documents from Hunter Biden's abandoned laptop, or lent credence to former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele's "Trump Dossier."
These attempts to convert complaints about press coverage into crimes or torts raise obvious First Amendment problems. News organizations get stuff wrong all the time, ranging from arguably unfair or misleading stories to demonstrably inaccurate reporting. If they were exposed to prosecution or lawsuits every time that happened, they either could not function at all or would feel compelled to avoid any reporting that might offend people with the political power or financial resources to punish them.
Even without considering the constitutional implications, Trump's lawsuit fails as a matter of statutory interpretation. Its definition of "consumers" includes more than 240 million eligible American voters, regardless of whether they have any commercial relationship with the Register. Its definition of "deception" and "unfair practices" encompasses every journalistic failure, unmoored from any purchase-related fraud.
"Election polls aim to provide insights into public thinking and potential behavior, not definitive election forecasts," said the American Association for Public Opinion Research. "Differences between polling results and election outcomes can and often do occur for reasons unrelated to misconduct or fraud."
Unsurprisingly, Register spokeswoman Lark-Marie Anton also rejected Trump's fraud allegation. "We have acknowledged that the Selzer/Des Moines Register pre-election poll did not reflect the ultimate margin of President Trump's Election Day victory in Iowa by releasing the poll's full demographics, crosstabs, weighted and unweighted data, as well as a technical explanation from pollster Ann Selzer," she said. "We stand by our reporting on the matter and believe this lawsuit is without merit."
They are not alone in believing that. "You would have to prove that a false statement was made and that the statement was made" with the intent that consumers would "rely on it," UCLA law professor Rick Hasen told The Washington Post. "If someone is accurately reporting the results of a poll, that wouldn't be a false statement. The poll might have errors in it, but that wouldn't be a false statement." Hasen added that the lawsuit's "somersaults" do not plausibly connect Trump's complaints to misrepresentations in connection with the sale of merchandise, which is the focus of the fraud statute.
The lawsuit "has no chance of success," Los Angeles entertainment attorney Camron Dowlatshahi said in an emailed press release. "The poll results were reported [accurately]," he noted, and the fact that "they did not reflect the ultimate outcome [for] the entire state…does not make the work of the pollster fall within the purview of a consumer protection statute intend[ed] to curb false advertising."
Why bother then? "I'm doing this not because I want to," Trump told reporters on Monday. "I'm doing this because I feel I have an obligation to….I shouldn't really be the one to do it. It should have been the Justice Department or somebody else, but I have to do it….Our press is very corrupt."
As Trump sees it, the U.S. Department of Justice, which he will soon oversee as president, should be policing the press to make sure it is telling the truth. Exactly how that would work is unclear: What statutes, specifically, would authorize the Justice Department to sue or prosecute news outlets for reporting that Trump views as inaccurate or unfair? More to the point, any such action would be blatantly unconstitutional. But Trump thinks he can achieve similar results by filing his own lawsuits.
"Trump is absolutely using lawfare to go after the media," Dowlatshahi said. "This is the playbook of the rich and powerful. They have the means to spend on meritless lawsuits, and their opponents don't. This leads to a chilling effect on free speech, given that if he files a lawsuit without merit, based on ridiculous claims, the defendants still generally must hire attorneys, and that can get very costly."
Robert Corn-Revere, chief counsel at the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression, noted the mismatch between Trump's claims and the statute on which he is relying. "Newspapers and polling firms are not engaged in 'deceptive practices' just because they publish stories and poll results President-elect Donald Trump doesn't like," he said. "Getting a poll wrong is not election interference or fraud." He called the lawsuit "absurd" and "a direct assault on the First Amendment."
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Democrats did it first. That makes it ok.
Canned response #2.
When you stop celebrating when Trump does things that are inexcusable when done by Democrats, I’ll stop pointing it out.
When you actually criticize anyone else but Trump for bad acts instead of supporting them, people may take you seriously.
Seems you are focused on the who not the what. Didn't you say something about that earlier?
Oh look, Jesse is accusing me of doing what he is doing while he is doing it. Must be a day that ends in ‘y’.
By the way, I’m not criticizing Trump you idiot. I’m criticizing you and the other Trump defenders. Trump supporters are ok. But his deranged defenders are… deranged.
This is your brain on booze.
Any questions?
Poor sarc
Criminalizing lying addresses all concerns without censorship of reality, truth, the reason we communicate.
The process of doing so will require us to transparently codify in law what evidence is required to constitute truth and by exclusion, what language constitutes lying.
Editing what people say and selling it as what they said, is lying.
Haven’t we been led around by the nose by lying leaders and media and liars in general long enough? Hasn’t more than enough harm been done?
People are addicted to the selfish benefits they get from exerting the force of coercion, lying, upon others.
We need a law to stop it and train society that lying is harmful and not acceptable behaviour.
Criminalize lying.
Them we can execute you for lying about the Holocaust and Hamas.
The corrupt government, media and other organized criminals aren’t going to stop trying to censor us. They can’t exist in an environment of free speech.
With social media giving everyone a global voice, either we win or they do.
And unless we protect our rights with law we will lose them. The founders couldn’t imagine social media so they didn’t address it with the constitution and the corrupt are taking advantage of interpretation.
Thanks again pee wee Herman.
Glad to see you even project projection lol.
You're not criticizing anyone by the way. You're being retarded. Full stop.
"When you stop celebrating when Trump does things that are inexcusable when done by Democrats"
If you'd read the story instead of just rushing to troll, you'd learn that 1. The Democrats didn't "do it first", and 2. Despite Sullum's whining, what Trump is doing here is laudable. Not inexcusable.
You're so useless at this.
Exactly! Not a peep when the left has been trampling all over our amendment rights, but Trump is not even in office, hasn’t threatened to use the DOJ as a weapon like the left, and hasn’t said anything about stopping free speech like Biden had been doing! The gaslighting is still in full effect by so-called journalists who haven’t been journalists in years!
It is unfair that opening a can of worms gets worm slime on you.
Ignoring the constitution is evil when Democrats do it and something to be celebrated when Trump does it.
When Democrats ignore the Constitution they call it a "superprecedent" and therefore inviolable law.
So you're against defamation now? What changed? Or is it who changed.... (yes there are multiple different suits, but you're probably dumb enough to focus only on one out of fear it would show you to be a hypocrite)
Weird you keep defending media for being constantly wrong. Must be your spirit animal.
Says the guy who vehemently attacks defamation, libel and slander laws when it’s Trump, Fox, Jones, etc., in the hot seat, and then vehemently defends them when Trump sues.
Always who, not what.
Trump is going to bankrupt all your creepy friends and you’re angry, that’s alright, have another drink.
I attack 1.5B judgements for a group of parents who showed 0 harm.
Unlike you I don't believe norms should be violated because you hate someone.
I keep asking, you keep refusing. How were those parents harmed to 1.5B?
For fox the issue was the pre trial rulings removing all defenses for Fox. But you support legal abuses against your enemies.
You believe the law is a weapon. I don't.
I even have a link last time you lie about this. Why do you continue to lie? You have a pathological issue.
Says the guy who CAN’T WAIT for Trump to use lawfare against his enemies. What a liar.
The rules you make for others are the rules you make for yourself.
Enjoy!
Lol. You just can't help being retarded.
Unlike you I think officials who violated the law and caused their powers should be held accountable. Meanwhile you support novel creation of law to target your enemies.
Blind and equal justice is a concept you'll never grasp. It is whatever favors the state or democrats.
Lol.
stop using retarded, what is your problem, for mentally challenged people it's the 'n' word, get over yourself, or start using the n word and see where you go with THAT. Grow up.
First amendment is your have the freedom of speech not the freedom from consequences.
Wait so anyone can put a poll up - I took a poll of Reason readers - 497 to 3 think you are an idiot that lives in the basement.
You ignore democrat treason, and then scream like a little bitch when Trump and republicans fight back against it.
I am shocked to hear that Sullum doesn't find it all nearly as much fun when it's his ox being gored.
"Democrats did it first. That makes it ok."
How does that even make sense, you retarded fucking troll. Your Democrat Party runs the American media, why the fuck would they "do it first."
Low effort attempt. - 10.
Also, Trump was 100% correct here, and Jacob is a lying hack who writes deliberately deceitful articles for thick brown envelopes, and even though you're fetal alcohol syndrome baby, Sarckles, even you know that.
Stopping someone from doing the bad thing they accused everyone else of doing because they were doing it isn't 'making it okay' --it's dealing with the issue.
So then is THAT why The Cummander In Chief cummands us to "Hang Mike Pence", "Execute General Milley", etc.?
Haha. Yeah, it does, doesn’t it?
Or at least kinda funny.
Oh show where democrats did it first. Put up or shut up. I know the votes here are for shut up.
The media should have some accountable yet they don't. Then they wonder why everyone but hard core democrats like to hate them.
Any repercussions about Russia, Russia, Russia where they said they have direct evidence? What about the laptop? What about not reporting George Floyd accurately? Daniel Penny? BLMs fiery but peaceful?
Right. If the press knowingly publishes false stories and misleading hit pieces then they should be liable. Stephanopolus is a great case. He was told Trump was not convicted of rape and to not say that multiple times but insisted on doing it anyways.
"In both cases, Trump implausibly describes news reporting as "election interference" that constitutes consumer fraud because it misleads viewers or readers. It is hard to overstate the threat that such reasoning, which seeks to transform journalism that irks Trump into a tort justifying massive damage awards, poses to freedom of the press."
The press might try not slandering and libeling Trump.
I suppose this lawsuit is just as implausible as prosecuting someone criminally as a campaign finance violation for paying hush money to a porno star to cover up an embarrassing tryst as "election interference".
I do not see how it is "journalism" to produce a poll right before an election that was off by nearly 20 points.
It's political activism. That's what hacks like *checks author and rolls eyes* Sullum believe their jobs are as "journalists." They think it's their job to make people believe whatever suits their agenda.
News outlets can lie. Not election interference.
Intel people can lie. Not election interference.
Trump pays a hooker to shut up. Election interference.
That's all (D)ifferent.
If it was only a few degree outliner from other polls, no one would care (even if you argue they are all finger on the scale for one side). 20 pts off read does make it look like interference
It's going to be hard to prove that lady intentionally produced a poll to get the desired results. The discovery of her methodology will be quite interesting.
For what was supposed to be the most accurate pollster in Iowa to be off by 16 points just days before the election looks a little fishy to me. Other polls were not off nearly as much.
"The press might try not slandering and libeling Trump."
WHY can the press SNOT grovel down low, and worShit Trump like all of the RIGHT-stinking people, for GAWD's Sake?!?!?
(GAWD = Government Almighty's Wrath Delivers.)
And WHY can the press SNOT help us all patriotically chant "Hang Mike Pence" and "Execute General Milley"? Why, Santa, WHY?!?! WHY Satan, WHY?!?!?
And WHY should campaign cuntributors SNOT get credit for helping with The Donald's erections for His Queen, Spermy Daniels? Why SNOT let them ALL make false book-keeping entries, if shit helps The Donald's erections for His Queen, Spermy Daniels?
I suppose this lawsuit is just as implausible as prosecuting someone criminally as a campaign finance violation for paying hush money to a porno star to cover up an embarrassing tryst as "election interference".
It is. But I don't think this tit for tat shit is a good idea. He should call them out and not let people forget. But I think this is something that the 1st amendment protects. The press has always been at least in part dishonest propaganda. The problem is people not seeing it that way.
So reason supports fraud. Checks out.
Only if it will somehow slime Orange Hitler. Some rules have to be broken and exceptions made to preserve oUr dEmOcRacY.
If a brutal totalitarian global empire if what it will take to stop mean tweets, so be it.
Tangerine Palpatine has the force on his side.
I like this moniker.
I totally stole it.
Well, I'm totally stealing it, too, so, you're forgiven.
mme. dillinger lol'd
Does this really rise to the level of fraud? Why would you assume that they were being honest and truthful? The news media has made no legally binding promises and owes us nothing.
I don't care enough about the Des Moines Register kerfuffle to verify the accuracy of anybody's claim, but I will speak to this gem:
Kash Patel, Trump's pick to run the FBI, similarly claims that news outlets illegally "rig[ged] presidential elections" when they reported on the 2016 Trump campaign's alleged ties to the Russian government, cast doubt on the authenticity of documents from Hunter Biden's abandoned laptop, or lent credence to former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele's "Trump Dossier."
Due diligence is a defense against claims of fraud. It is certainly reasonable for Patel to assert that media outlets' circular verification of those stories amounted to election rigging. If they had engaged in even a modicum of due diligence, they could not have published those stories. The stories could not be verified.
They were not true at any time.
Sullum is absolutely wrong in his implication that Patel is fantasizing malicious intent.
^^^ 100% this! ^^^
The other day Sarc claimed it wasn't a journalist's job to verify or investigate the claims that they publish, rather it's the person they're making the allegations against job refute them. It seems Sullum has a similar view.
Key word is "illegally". The Biden DOJ prosecuted and imprisoned Douglas Mackey, a private citizen for election interference. Reason by all indications is totally cool with that. But when media colludes with government actors to disseminate bald faced lies they can not be held accountable. This is Reason style libertarianism.
Who cares what Reason thinks? It was wrong to prosecute Mackey and it's wrong to sue over this.
He should prosecute them, and attach RICO.
The press published stories that confirmed what they wanted to be true instead of investigating and publishing the real truth. All of those stories were ridiculous on even a cursory basis.
Get some help, Jacob.
It’s going to be fun watching him descend into madness.
Watching his "so called" profession go down the tubes.
DESCEND into madness??? Madness would be about five steps up for Sully. And it's extra hard to climb when all the Reason crabs keep pulling you back into the bucket.
This is your 13,000th time posting this same wish over and over. According to terminally-online deadbeat fatty rules, it'll come true if you step outside and touch some grass!
How about this?
Unless there are two or more named, verifiable sources, anything published must be labeled as rumor, and never be cited in any other publication.
If, and only if, there are two or more named, verifiable sources, it may be labeled "news", and further cited.
We can call it 'common sense journalist control'.
"Professional standards" works too.
I believe that leaky ship sank a while back.
Ran aground, caught fire, and *then* sank; if you believe what you read in the papers.
Yes, in a mostly peaceful manner.
There will never be any reporting given by whistle blowers that fear retribution if this rule is followed. Fox News doesn't follow this rule, nor does the Wall St. Journal. Nor does America One or any other right wing news source. It's not only the NYT and CNN that have anonymous sources.
Disallowing anonymous sources is a good way to get rid of the free press and replace it with the kind of press that Putin and Orban have: an echo chamber for the views of autocrats and oligarchs.
"an echo chamber for the views of autocrats and oligarchs"
Oh, so exactly what mainstream media has become...
>>Disallowing anonymous sources is a good way to get rid of the free press
when the press starts literally holding their sack in their hands like how "testimony" used to take place they can cite one anonymous source and be more believed.
"Fox News doesn't follow this rule, nor does the Wall St. Journal. Nor does America One or any other right wing news source. It's not only the NYT and CNN that have anonymous sources."
Name some examples. I can easily list two dozen examples for NYT and CNN off the top of my head, but I can't think of any for the other examples mentioned.
Conservative news outlets don’t blatantly lie like democrat media propaganda networks.
But there has to be a standard, even for anonymous sources otherwise you get bald faced lies pedled as truth and dipshits like you and Sullum defending the lies until they bite you in the ass.
Democrats thought they knew lawfare…
The two examples provided, the CBS 60 Minutes interview with Harris, and the Iowa poll which bore no resemblance to anything in the world of reality [before the election results] were not "mistakes;" they were deliberate attempts by and for media to sway the election, according to their own preferences.
Given just the past few years, including the cover up of the origin of COVID [fact reported as conspiracy], Russia Collusion [which was a conspiracy reported as fact], the Hunter Biden laptop [fact reported as conspiracy], just to name a few, why WOULDN'T we regard "so called" [oh yeah, the suppression of media that wouldn't tow the line] journalism as consumer fraud?
CBS's rationalization that they were trying to make Harris's answer "more succinct" is obvious nonsense as what Harris said in the 2nd version had nothing to do with what she said in the 1st version.
That happened every time to crazy bitch said anything.
No doubt she was Biden's FU to Obama and everyone else [pretty much the entire Democratic Party] who pissed him off. I think that was the one thing he got right.
I agree that both cases are fishy. But there is no evidence in the polling case other than that there was a lot of error. Lots of polls are wrong in a big way. Should they all get sued?
And seriously, you think CBS is the first news organization to slant a story or interbview for a candidate? Have you seen FOX news? How about Benghazi, Clinton's emails, Hunter Hunter Hunter and so on. Yoiu are so myopic you can't see both sides here. It's all one-sided bull puckey. The Hunter laptop was supressed for a very short time and you could still get access to it in real time. Meanwhile, JD Vance's hacked emails were surpressed by Musk and you all don't seem to care. It's all a stupid game and Trump is feeding it with these lawsuits. He plays you all like a fiddle. Trump's Chumps
It was intentional. Case closed.
Musk had the FBI working for him?
Try harder.
"Hunter Hunter Hunter"
I'd feel like a total moron if I used this example after his father gave him blanket immunity going back a decade.
“What about what about what about….?”
MSM is biased, and we all know who they carry water for.
Russian collusion, the source of (and anything else wrong about) COVID, Hunter Biden’s laptop, ad nausea. Harris is “brat” and exhibits the “politics of joy.” CNN and MSNBC have lost 50% of their viewers since the election. Their credibility is trashed. But by all means, please feel free to gaslight for them.
js:dr
Oh, yeah.
But the comments are usually a good read.
My fear is that one day Reason will add a mental health benefit, and all this will change.
Check your expectations of mental health; it's not that miraculous.
I'm thinking more like Reason editors should be subjected to mandatory TDS vaccines. With daily booster shots.
I would settle for putting shock collars on most of the writers, then giving me the remote.
So much mirth to be had.
Is the vaccine a mixture of ammonia and bleach administered through a N-95 mask?
Same. I rely on the commenters to analyze the Sullum screeds.
People do pay for 'journalism' and are therefore consumers. Passing off the product people think is unbaised reporting when it is really opinion is fraud.
Maybe Democratic operatives shouldn't have been so gleeful in using lawfare against Trump and Alex Jones and Douglass Mackey and James O'Keefe while they were holding the reins of power. Then maybe their cries of "NO FAIR!" wouldn't ring so hollow.
By the way, one of the great things about YouTube is you can go back to the day that poll got released and witness in real time what the media reaction was to it. If it wasn't a deliberately skewed "push poll" it certainly was being used as one by the partisan Democratic news media. They ran that thing into the ground. Here's Reason adjacent Tim Miller from their good friends at the Bulwark trying to drag Kamala across the finish line with it:
https://youtu.be/P-ysKh_Gyd0?si=BmZiiw8n8pdfGR6Y
Don't forget gawker. That was lawfare too.
I have no problem making these lying leftist propagandists suffer for their slander, libel, and election interference.
It’s punishment time.
Ask ABC how it worked out for them.
The best part is that Stephanopoulos is totally apoplectic over the settlement. That sawed off little shitweasel had it coming.
Objective readers would consider virtually all of Sullum's 200+ Trump hating tirades at Reason (since 2016) to be consumer fraud.
Although some people have survived cases of TDS, Sullum's case is untreatable and terminal.
It's cool that Reason hires the handicapped. But it's time to face the fact that Sullum is better suited to clean the office toilets then actually try to write shit.
I’m surprised they haven’t hired SQRLSY to lick them clean.
Goodwill hires the handicapped, Sullum's articles are closer to snapshots of the madhouse ravings of a lunatic smeared on the cell walls in feces. At the minimum his takes, outlook and logic all stink.
But you are a fraud Sullum.
Seriously why does Reason employ someone who spouts the same out-of-touch drivel as every other Dem shill outlet? Don't get how this absurdly self-unaware type of coverage continues to occupy space on this website. Does Reason empathize with MSM's grotesque political activism? Maybe Sullum's swill is a type of virtue signal that brings periodic relief to Reason's journos pretending to be critical thinkers.
Don't really care but People in Glass Houses. Can the citizens sue Trump when he makes an inaccurate statement? Because the country should be able to recoup the 6 trillion he cost us with this lie:
And this will deliver urgently needed relief to our nation’s families, workers, and businesses. And that’s what this is all about.
-Trump signing statement for Cares Act
Nope it was all about pissing away trillions on a fraud.
He didn’t administer the money. So I blame Pelosi, Schumer, etc.. Let’s go after them.
Get help.
The problem with that poll was that it apparently was deliberately false, trying to sway the election.
When you have the "press" lying to sway an election, it's not good.
I don't think the lawsuit will go anywhere, but it's not like he's actually using the DOJ to go after the paper or "pollster".
But you don't understand, JeremyR. There are good guys like the DC press core, and there are bad guys like orange man bad,
The DC press core can lie, misrepresent and cheat because they are the good guys, and their hearts are in the right place. Whatever they have to do (like deliberately trying to sway an election with a phony poll) they do it in pursuit of the right outcomes, so it justifies their actions.
Nothing Trump can do or say on the other hand is right because he is a bad guy. What he does will always be bad.
It's all so simple.
*corps
As in "democrat partisans comprise the core of the press corps."
But you're correct. The press constantly lie and Sullum defends their partisan lies while echoing the same narratives.
Similar to a navy corpse man?
Voice to text, but still mea culpa because I didn't notice.
It was most certainly NOT 'deliberately false.' They published the poll, the methodology used, etc... In every election, there are hundreds of polls and some of them are outliers and are wrong. This is one of them.
For all you know, her poll showing Harris in the lead in Iowa led to more votes for Trump to make up for his perceived deficit. Its completely speculative bullshit peddling by Trump here and by extension, you.
This lawsuit is stupid and a waste of time and judicial resources. Don't pretend its anything significant. Its bullshit. Just like his 10billion lawsuit against Hillary Clinton... political screeds masquerading as legitimate lawsuits. Its kind of pathetic actually that his ego is so fragile that a state he won by 15+ pts in an election he won...he is going to sue a newspaper over a poll. That's some really tiny dick energy.
I think part of the argument is that there is more than just one incident.
the "methodology" was such garbage she couldn't explain it in real time.
Are you sure you're a lawyer? You don't even seem to know what the word certainly means.
Oh, give it a fucking rest, you desperate definitely-not-a-lawyer, sockpuppet.
Kamala Harris Campaign Aides Suggest Campaign Was Just Doomed
The Harris campaign’s internal polling apparently never had her ahead of Trump.
The Harris team and the party knew from internal polling that they were losing badly for the entire fucking campaign. There was no Harris "bump" and contrary to what their party organs in the corporate media world were telling people every night, it was never a "tight" race.
All attempts at claiming otherwise in the corporate press were deliberate attempts to rouse the faithful and not turn the loss into an utter rout via fraudulent polls.
The Iowa poll was the most blatant and egregious example, and deserves to be sued into oblivion to set an example.
Like the Iowa poll, and ABC news, Jacob Sullum knows that he too has been lying his ass off regarding Trump, which is why he is so nervy about the issue.
Not a single rational person believed that that poll was even close to accurate and no legitimate pollster would have published it. There are outliers and then there is the demonstrably absurd.
It was deliberately false. Case closed. And in any event, that can be worked out during discovery.
My first reaction to Trump's lawsuit was "Who the hell believes opinion polls anyway?" and "What a stupid lawsuit."
But I think there's more to his lawsuit. I think he's doing it for the discovery. The poll was so out of sync with every other poll that no one took it seriously. I'd lay odds the pollster and several executives wrote emails and texts to each other that they just might not want the public to see.
It's the same reason that other network (ABC? NBC? CNN? So many that I forget them) settled for $16M rather than go to trial. They might have won at trial, but only after a lot of embarrassing discovery, and I know they all talk to each other.
On the other hand, despite all the claims of 4D chess, Trump reacts by instinct and intuition, not the deep thinking required for chess. He could be just flinging poo for all I know. But I think he's in it for the discovery.
>>The poll was so out of sync with every other poll that no one took it seriously.
Halperin asked her to explain herself and she could not and the Register still ran it.
I'm hoping that shows up in discovery, and a lot more.
I'm guessing thats why ABC paid out. Discovery would have outed how much it is DNC controlled.
"...doing it for the discovery."
Makes sense. Totally. Go for it. Catch the motherfuckers!
"Direct assault on the First Amendment..."
Sullum, clutching pearls. One of many, lesser types of fraud. But fraud none-the-less.
Really, you want to go discovery every time a poll misses it's margin of error or a news organization slants the news? That's it. That's his only evidence. By that logic we should be suing every news organization and polling outfit just for discovery.
15 point margin of error? That's not a poll, it's a political endorsement.
Nobody's buying your bullshit.
Leftist control of the media needs to end. This is a small, but possibly important step in that direction.
>>a patently frivolous and constitutionally dubious attempt to intimidate the press.
lol you misspelled election interference.
To borrow a phrase, Trump is just trying a novel legal theory. And aren't novel legal theories a good thing?
ya what you said.
By Trump's reasoning, flubs like the Chicago Tribune's "Dewey Defeats Truman" story..."
We don't know if it was a "flub" though, a lawsuit might clear it up. And if is was just plain ol' incompetence, it would be good to definitively know that too, right?
No. Lawsuits are not fishing expeditions. They published the methodology and how she reached the result. Why don't you read that and answer your own questions.
I'll go read it, thanks.
Reading this article it seems that they don't really know what went wrong:
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion/columnists/from-the-editor/2024/11/17/editors-update-what-a-review-of-the-pre-election-iowa-poll-has-found/76300644007/
My questions remain unanswered, I'll dig deeper but there is surprisingly little out there...
scroll citizenfreepress to the Sunday before Election Day the conversation between Halperin and Seltzer was posted then ... maybe Halperin has it on his page idk
Read this article and you'll know exactly why it "went wrong".
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kamala-harris-campaign-polls_n_67462013e4b0fffc5a469baf
I'm sure you have citations for your claims, being a lawyer and all.
Here is the original story. Not finding links to the actual data.
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/2024/09/15/iowa-poll-donald-trump-iowa-lead-shrinks-as-kamala-harris-replaces-joe-biden/75180245007/
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/2024/11/02/iowa-poll-kamala-harris-leads-donald-trump-2024-presidential-race/75354033007/
In later interviews she said she was going to go over the data, which wouldn't be needed if raw data was public.
As a lawyer, why lie?
Because it's a White Mike sockpuppet and neither from Chicago or an attorney.
WhinyShittyAttorney.
He’s just as much an attorney as the former Bo Cara, Esq.
Yeah, the embedded document on the bottom of the page is not the raw data. It's "Weighted by age, sex, and congressional district", and gives percentages rather than the raw number of responses.
Weighting by congressional district seems like an odd choice. There are only 4 districts and all of them went Republican. But if you got more responses from places like Johnson County (68.4% voted for Harris) versus Keokuk County (75.2% voted for Trump), that would seem a lot more relevant than just lumping them all into "Iowa District 1".
It will get worked out through the courts. Democrats made their bed, now it’s time for them to sleep in them.
Seiously? You want to investigate every time a poll is off by more than the margin of error or a news outlet makes a candidate look better than they really are? We might as well shut down the polling industry and all journalism. Do you think FOX news would come out looking good if we looked into things the same way Trump wants to go after these folks? Think.
"We might as well shut down the polling industry"
Don't sell past the close!
nobody believes foxnews polls either.
""We might as well shut down the polling industry"'
I asked ChatGPT about this and it said Hunter Biden's baby's mama would be out of a job.
Well the poll in question was way beyond any known margin of error. But it's time to face the fact that polling, whether by design or incompetence, is bullshit. That fact has been obvious since at least 2016. Collectively they get paid very well to engage in what I think can be accurately described as election interference. Their market is talking heads who are desperate for breaking news. They are best ignored.
"...Think..."
Take your own advice, steaming pile of lefty shit.
Dear god.
They apparently lied about their polling. That's not journalism Sullum.
He’s just another hack pretending to be a journalist.
Sometimes polls are just wrong. Trump shouldn't sue. Just appreciate the depth of disappointment felt by Iowa liberals on election day.
Nah, it’s time to hammer these scumbags, and hard. Because Trump isn’t the ‘mounting a direct assault on the first amendment’. The democrats have been doing that for years.
Time to fight back.
This poll was so far off and such an outlier compared to others, and came from a source widely trusted as one of the most accurate. It's difficult to believe that it was published without the intent to deceive.
And sometimes pollsters are corrupt party propagandists with no interest in truth while selling a product they claim represents something resembling reality. Same with journalists.
What journalists? It's party propagandist all the way down.
I did see other polls on 538 that had about the same numbers for Harris. I dismissed them since most of the other polls were within the margin of error.
Was it really just error or were they trying to juice it for their candidate? I think they are incompetent and propagandist. Could be either. Both?
What journalists? The one writing the article we're commenting on for starters.
This shouldn't need to be litigated but I don't see any other way to drag the cockroaches into the light and that desperately needs to be done.
As far as other polls coming in similar the question is incompetence, excusable error, personal or paid partisanship.
also wouldn't it be more a direct assault on consumer protection laws?
>The implication is that they have a cause of action whenever the Register gets something wrong.
No. The implication is that they have a cause of action whenever the Register intentionally gets something wrong. And that doesn't seem quite so ridiculous (although I don't think the paper actually was in on a conspiracy to lie about the poll.)
The TDS-addled steaming pile of shit Sullum wastes more bandwidth telling u he's a TDS-addled steaming pile of shit.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Is the corrupt lying leftist hack upset his fellow travellers are facing consequences for their malevolent actions? Good, FOAD Jacob.
Des Moines Register paid circulation now less than 25,000. 30 years ago it was 500,000. As a native and long time resident of Iowa, I am quite pleased with the Register being sued into oblivion. Part of the suit is to get discovery or the threat of discovery. Maybe the Register still has evidence that they colluded in this poll. If so, they may fold to protect what little reputation they have left. Trump is up $16million so far. Why quit when you are winning. If he gets $100,000 and legal fees with them settling out of court, why not. Remember, the Dems started the lawfare.
Also, not doing the RAGBRAI ride any more.
I'm becoming convinced Sullum is spazzing out about these issue so much because he's going to end up caught up being involved in one of them during discovery.
Journalist never died, it just metastisized.
The 1st Amendment refers to physical printing presses, not the syphilitic dumpster fire of leftist 'journalism' that passes these days for 'the press.' It's said that the best trick of the devil is to make us believe he doesn't exist. Well, the best trick of 'journalists' is to make us believe they're somehow the fourth branch of government.
Not commenting about these particular cases, but the First Amendment doesn't give you the right to violate people's rights or commit crimes. If a journalist walks into a bank and hands the teller a note that says, "put all the money in this bag or I'll k*ll you," he can't claim that he's protected by the First.
the cost of defending against such litigation is apt to have a chilling effect on journalism, which is what Trump wants. "We have to straighten out the press," he told reporters on Monday, explaining his motivation in suing CBS and the Register.
No, it's apt to have a chilling effect on jOuRnaLiSm.
There's a difference. You can't see it because you're a citizen of Clown World.
If Iowa doesn't have an anti-slapp statute maybe this will push to get one.
So the headline is 'DIRECT ASSAULT' but lowercase description is just 'dubious" !! Right there, you have no credibility. If it is dubious it can go both ways. To say "he might be a Martian" is also to say "He might not be a Martian"
Andl you fail on 'intent' too. He is not doing this to assault the First Amendment.
THe lawsuit alleges injustice and that is all.
Maybe he should wear a straitjacket and have someone call you whenever he wants to do something, you know, to see whether it isn't even worth doing.
It's true: The humorless are often the clueless.
Unlike your snooty elitist view of what Trump is doing I nothice the (relatively) clued-in American Spectator says today
The Brilliance of Trump’s New Campaign Suing Fake News
Trump’s legal action against the media is not about revenge, payback, or getting even — it is justice.
The reality Jacob Sullum is that the Corporate Media has been irresponsible and often fraudulent with how they publish opinion as unbiased news. Opinion is fine, but it should be presented as opinion, the fraud is presenting opinion as news and claiming that it is unbiased.
The problem you have Jacob Sullum is that you are becoming more of a deranged anti-trump fanatic and therefore losing your objectivity. While I have my trepidation's of Trump, I'm purposely avoiding buying the carefully crafted propaganda attempting to derail Trump. Instead of accepting the gaslighting, I'm assessing what Trump is actually doing and not getting hysterical over Trump's brash and boisterous style.
As I have been researching Trump's actual actions versus his comments and his comments often (nearly every single time) taken out of context, I come to realize that his style is more of a negotiating cudgel to provide room to concede. While I admit it can be a dangerous game, I also have observed that it is quite often effective.
I expect more from Reason than the typical Trump bashing that I can get from a how variety of other platforms. I expect more thought and perspective without resorting to the same tactics of the Corporate Media.
As far as I'm concerned any outlet that portrayed Biden randomly biting at his wife's fingers while she was in the middle of her stump speech during the primaries as anything but the later stages of dementia is a lying sack of dogshit, and if they portray themselves as anything other than fictional storytellers should be guilty of consumer fraud.
Do they not teach history any more? Yellow Journalism. Muckraking. Terms that were used in the past to describe crooked reporting ,intended, not to report the news, but to push people into one favored mindset.
It is a dirty trick as old as time. Anyone who's reputation is sullied by this type of reporting absolutely should sue and win.
Make it easier and more desirable to do the right thing, not the wrong thing.
I think the fact that Trump Won Iowa puts the whole "Voter Suppression" Narrative into question.
Also, the point of the Free Press is that they can report and say anything, it's up to the viewers to take or leave it, the option to criticize and debate, and most importantly Politicians Must Not Get Involved... at all. The way I see it, anyone who goes after Free Speech and the Press deserves to be compared to Hilter or Stalin, Actions Aways Speak Louder than Word.
"A free press can, of course, be good or bad, but, most certainly without freedom, the press will never be anything but bad."
Reason - if you wonder why no-one is donating is because of writers like Sullum. Just send him to Huffington Post
Hey Sullum! I guess it's just journalism that reported that Biden was sharp as a tack, in charge, no issues, no slowing down for 4 years right? No cover up. No ignoring any issues. Just telling the facts to people.
The whole country was lied to by the media. In fact, it has made unelected officials in charge of the government, multiple wars, and the whole country worse off. That's just journalism in your book right? No accountability?
Sullum is a regime simp. Mainstream "journalism" is a fraud, and everyone who isn't a regime guppy knows it.
As I read the comments so far and the response on other sites, you really misjudged this one. You can't even tell right and wrong anymore unless you hafe a lawyer sitting on your lap.
This is why Libertarianism is dying, you think that you are more objective because you are less human. Trump was treated shamefully and if it happened to you, you would not be so detached and pseudo-sophisticated about it.
Repent before REASON goes off the air.
If you don't believe that regime media interfered with the last two elections then you are part of the problem.
ANYONE who is Pro-Censorship is Part of the Problem
Journalism? What journalism! The entire legacy media is made up of hacks and outright CIA stooges ie: Anderson Cooper and the like.
The legacy media , for the most part is only a loudspeaker for Washington , the CIA and big pharma.
By now everyone knows this. The MSM has in fact betrayed every single ideal ever proclaimed in the press. The legacy media twists, distorts and outright lies concerning nearly everything. Facts are meaningless if they don't support the activist mentality of a single journalist.
Americans have been lied into nearly every war since the war between the states and probably even before that. They have been nothing more than a cheerleader for the military industrial complex. They have been mouthpieces for big pharma and they have incited rioting across the country for years.
In short, journalism in America is an outright fraud. The fact that outlets such as NBC, ABC and other are facing massive losses in audience even to the point where MSNBC is now in danger of being cut lose, where the big names in these media outlets are now being shown the door. The View may not exist much longer and Whoopie , Joy Behar and the rest will have to find another job.
Salaries are being cut and along with that many jobs.
Good riddance.
LOL...
Falsifying information on purpose and for gain is a 1st Amendment right?
Since when?
Maybe I'll sell NEW cars that run perfectly and just edit-out all those 'icky' car-parts and send them an empty envelope in the mail and claim a 1st Amendment Right to do so.
I suppose if they have a publicly available HOAX clause at Des Moines Register it would fly. Do they? That's the question the trial should sit upon.
"which preposterously claims that editing the 60 Minutes interview to make Harris seem slightly more cogent caused him damages "reasonably believed to be at least $10,000,000,000,""
The figure might be absurd, though who knows - how expensive *might* it be to run against a fake, media-generated candidate?
The one takeaway from that farcical exhibit is that CBS/Crap Broadcasting System, has caused even more damage to itself than Trump ever could.
The legacy media is dying by its own self inflicted cuts. To be replaced by citizen journalists and the likes of James O'keefe.
I cannot agree that a personal lawsuit against a corporate entity is in any way a first amendment threat. If Trump was using the DOJ to prosecute this, Sullim might have a point. However, this is a civil lawsuit between equals.
And given the standard that has been set about election interference, I cannot agree that this is baseless. If Trump hushing up an affair (despite his known history of infidelity) is interference, why is reporting known false information not?
The problem is that the definition of interference is absurdly (and possibly unconstitutionally broad)
The Media has been allowed commit outright libel against Trump for years with impunity. Him fighting back with normal, civil lawsuits is not only perfectly acceptable, but significantly less than the criminal suits pushed against him by his opponents.
Call me when he weaponizes the FBI against them. Then you might have an argument.
When a newspaper or any news outlet becomes a mouthpiece for whatever political side and propaganda outlet it is no longer a journalistic enterprise.
That's the standard we set for non-profits.
In both cases, Trump implausibly describes news reporting as "election interference" that constitutes consumer fraud because it misleads viewers or readers.
It was constitutionally-protected election interference. Trump's case is beyond weak because even most Iowans know not to trust the lies printed in the Des Moines Register so only desperate democrats were mislead. Civil litigation is by design a means to smear and bankrupt the target even if you can't always win. IANAL, but I believe an admission by the newspaper that of course the publication contains lies and propaganda would be a strong defense.
It is strange to observe people on both the Trumpist and anti-Trumpist sides describe the former president's actions as an attack on Freedom of the Press.
There is almost no trace of indication that the Framers intended to confer immunity from civil and criminal prosecution for the press. Freedom of the Press has always been, and remains today a matter of constitutional rulings by the courts. Congress does not have the power re-define the 1st Amendment outside of the constitutional amendment process. We are totally depending on the wisdom of the courts to decide when the constitutional right is incompatible with a specific fact pattern.
When the press acts as an accomplice or perpetrator of a violation of law, there is no alternative but to go to court.
Tump Mounts a 'Direct Assault on the First Amendment' by Portraying Journalism As Consumer Fraud
Alternative Headlines:
Journalism identifies As Consumer Fraud, Trump Acknowledges Spade As A Spade.
Journalism Mostly Peacefully Assaults The First Amendment, Trump Acknowledges Spade As A Spade.
Journalism And 1A Dies Of Or With Consumer Fraud, Trump Quarantines Corpse.
Sorry, you want me to believe that Trump himself thinks it is frivolous. What a suckling babe moron you must be.