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Criminal Justice

Suspect Apprehended

Plus: Syria developments, Penny acquittal, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 12.10.2024 9:31 AM

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A Tim Urban bro: The suspected killer of the United Healthcare CEO, Brian Thompson, was found in a McDonald's in Pennsylvania yesterday. He has been identified as 26-year-old Luigi Mangione.

Mangione had on his person a 3D-printed gun and a silencer, as well as a manifesto detailing his motives. "The handwritten manifesto found on the person of the man detained in Altoona criticized health care companies for putting profits above care, according to a senior law enforcement official," per The New York Times. The document has not yet been released to the public.

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Mangione went to a fancy private school in Maryland, where he was the valedictorian, and then continued on to the University of Pennsylvania, where he studied computer science. He appears to be a fan of writers and podcasters like tech-/history-focused Tim Urban and health/self-improved guru Andrew Huberman, and his X account has a lot of pro-Jonathan Haidt content. In terms of motivation, sources have told the media that Mangione had to have back surgery a few years back, and that he may have had chronic pain issues resulting from a spinal issue. Some have claimed he was messing around with psychedelics to try to alleviate the pain, and that this may have caused a screw to become loose. As of right now, that's more speculation than a proven hypothesis.

Mangione has been charged in Manhattan with second-degree murder, unlawful possession of a loaded firearm, and possibly a charge for possessing a suppressor.

Syria follow-up: "The leader of the rebel alliance that toppled President Bashar al-Assad of Syria has vowed to pursue and punish those who held senior positions in the Assad government, as uncertainty persists about who will now govern a country torn by more than a decade of civil war," reports The New York Times. 

Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, the terrorist group now in charge, has announced that some members of the Syrian government will receive amnesty, but that it depends on how high up they were. "We will not relent in holding accountable the criminals, murderers, and security and military officers involved in torturing the Syrian people," said the group's leader, per a Telegram post. "We will pursue war criminals and work to secure their extradition from the countries to which they have fled, ensuring they face justice." HTS has also said they will be publishing lists of names of "senior figures implicated in the torture of the Syrian people" under deposed leader Bashar al-Assad.

Assad for years used chemical weapons on his own people, whom he also tortured, killed, and disappeared.

In the last 48 hours, Israel has carried out over 250 airstrikes on Syrian territory, per Al-Monitor. Israel "targeted weapons depots, boats from the Assad government's navy, and a research centre that Western countries suspected of having links to chemical weapons production….Near the port city of Latakia, Israel targeted an air defence facility and damaged Syrian naval ships as well as military warehouses."

Israeli forces also annexed the Golan Heights, which marks "the first time Israel has captured territory in Syria since the war in 1973," per Axios, apparently assuring the Biden administration that it is a temporary move that will last only until the situation stabilizes. "We are not looking to permanently occupy more parts of Syria," said an Israeli official. The Israeli military also seized the highest point on the border between Israel and Syria, a strategic military outpost that Syria had controlled up until now.

The demilitarized zone in this area was established in 1974, following the Yom Kippur War, and "has been manned for decades by UN peacekeepers," per a Times of Israel report. "However, Israel said Sunday that with the fall of the Assad regime, it considered the agreement void until order is restored in Syria." Israeli officials have already started to hedge, though, saying that occupation of the zone may be needed for a while. More here; more on prisoners being freed and torture endured by those living under the Assad regime here; and more on HTS and power struggles here.


Scenes from New York: Daniel Penny, the Marine who killed Jordan Neely, a homeless man who had been behaving erratically on the subway, was acquitted of all charges, including manslaughter (which the jury had, for a few days, been deadlocked on) and the lesser charge, criminally negligent homicide.

There have been lots of takes circulating about how Neely needed care, and was denied it by a cruel and unfeeling city that leaves homeless and mentally ill people in the lurch. This narrative does not hold up: Neely had actually agreed to 15 months of mental health treatment following a guilty plea to a 2021 assault of a 67-year-old woman; he left the program after just a few weeks. He needed help, it was offered to him, and he did not avail himself of it.

What are the people in a subway car supposed to do while he is threatening them? How should they know he is unarmed? Is "unarmed" synonymous with "not a threat"? What sort of "support" should they have given him, and how many times, and for how long? https://t.co/vYpYzC616T

— Liz Wolfe (@LizWolfeReason) December 10, 2024


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  1. Fist of Etiquette   7 months ago

    He has been identified as 26-year-old Luigi Mangione.

    Tony Soprano never would have been caught.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   7 months ago

      It's a me Luigi!

      1. TrickyVic (old school)   7 months ago

        His brother Mario turned him in.

        1. Randy Sax   7 months ago

          I thought Old McDonald did.

          1. TrickyVic (old school)   7 months ago

            EIEIO

        2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

          Wario masterminded the whole thing!

    2. Sandra (formerly OBL)   7 months ago

      He would have assassins from Italy fly over here and end up killing the wrong guy.

      1. Ska   7 months ago

        Stupid-a fucking game.

    3. Sometimes a Great Notion   7 months ago

      We'll never *cuts to black screen*

    4. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

      Doo doo doo, doo doo da-da doo. [pause] Dee dee dee do do doo da-da doo.

      Its a mee, Luigi!

    5. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

      But Mangione feels so good on his cannonball run.

    6. Eeyore   7 months ago

      Italians have an advantage as assassins - in that they all look the same.

    7. CE   7 months ago

      He is an anti-capitalist Ivy league grad, which was not too surprising.
      But bad news for libertarians: he used a 3D-printed "ghost" gun, and was using mushrooms to try to deal with back pain from surgery after a surfing injury. (It isn't "speculation," it was reported by his friends in Hawaii. The speculation is that the mushrooms changed his personality.)

      So look for more calls to ban the already-banned ghost guns, and to ban states from legalizing mushrooms. Pennsylvania Guv Shapiro, who correctly pointed out that the McD's employee is the hero, not the guy who shot someone in the back, also pointed out the cowardly murderer was double plus bad, because the gun was unregistered.

      I just wonder why they don't call for a ban on ebikes, since he used one to expedite his escape from New York.

      1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

        “I just wonder why they don't call for a ban on ebikes, since he used one to expedite his escape from New York.”

        Just like Snake Plissken.

        1. Bill Falcon   7 months ago

          Best movie ever. If only we could wall of NYC and end voting rights there...NY State would finally be liberated from the little bolshies

          1. Marshal   7 months ago

            They can vote for the King of New York.

      2. A Thinking Mind   7 months ago

        I just don't buy that the motivation is personal rather than ideological. Saying, "he had chronic back pain so of course he hates insurance companies" is doing several leaps, requiring him to blame someone very indirectly connected with his personal circumstances rather than doctors, hospitals, drug companies, drug regulations, etc. This is more about him being anti-capitalist and thinking individuals working for insurance companies are a great evil on society.

      3. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

        Murder sympathizers now trying to figuratively burn down the McDonalds he was caught at.

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/1-star-mcdonald-s-reviews-and-sympathetic-merch-companies-try-to-stop-online-support-for-ceo-killer-suspect/ar-AA1vBwRK

        Mangione was spotted at a McDonald’s in Altoona, Pennsylvania, and a McDonald’s employee called the police.

        The restaurant’s page on Google and Yelp has since been flooded with negative reviews, calling workers “rats” and “snitches.”

        One now-deleted review on Google that was spotted by Reuters said the “location has rats in the kitchen that will make you sick and your insurance isn’t going to cover it.” A Google spokesperson said that the “reviews violate our policies and are being removed.” Also, additional protections are being added to the profile page to prevent more of these reviews.

        Commenters also shared a similar sentiment on Yelp. However, Yelp turned off commenting on the McDonald’s location’s page.

        “While we don’t take a stand one way or the other when it comes to this incident, we’ve temporarily disabled the posting of content to this page as we work to investigate whether the content you see here reflects actual consumer experiences rather than the recent events,” according to a pop-up on Yelp.

        In a Facebook post by UnitedHealth Group expressing sadness about UnitedHealthcare CEO Thompson’s death received 62,000 reactions — 57,000 of them laughing emojis.

        1. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

          “One now-deleted review on Google that was spotted by Reuters said the “location has rats in the kitchen that will make you sick and your insurance isn’t going to cover it.” A Google spokesperson said that the “reviews violate our policies and are being removed.” Also, additional protections are being added to the profile page to prevent more of these reviews.”

          How often do leftists pull this shit and get away with it because it’s not a high profile case?

          1. Stuck in California   7 months ago

            Always?

            I mean, I quit even bothering with the Reddit a decade ago because it was so very obviously manipulated and captured by Soros bots, as well as other propagandists. Just one example.

            The entire Musk is evil crew is just because he lets people say things not of the progressive orthodoxy. Before that, it was common to say vile things about people as long as they were disfavored, white, male, etc.

            Hell, NPR, during the primaries 8 years ago, were pearl clutching over Trump an explaining that Republicans were voting for Trump because he was racist and the entire conversation was predicated on the fact that nobody would be not Democrat for any reason other than that they were Racist. Individual humans I spoke with at the time repeated similar talking points and believed them, and posts on the face book saying you were a racist, sexist, misogynist, homophobic bigot if you didn't vote Hillary were repeated by "friends".

            Seriously. I was seeing comments like "If you're not voting for Hillary you're a racist and not a friend" from the extended circle, the friends of actual friends, so I started unfriending anyone who did that. Ended up with very few facebook friends and had some of them muted because they'd bitch about politics, so I just quit.

            Social media has been toxic in this way for a decade or more. Extension of early Media Matters tactics when they'd have people listen to conservative radio shows looking for something they could spin in the press to take down the host. Just more sophisticated and pernicious because of the nature of social media propaganda.

        2. One-Punch_Man   7 months ago

          Shrike and Jeff say it's the MAGA's trying to burn the McDonald's down. It's all a frame job.

          Bluesky was celebrating the murder but that's ok too. MAGA bad

    8. mad.casual   7 months ago

      I cooka da pizza!

  2. Fist of Etiquette   7 months ago

    The leader of the rebel alliance that toppled President Bashar al-Assad of Syria has vowed to pursue and punish those who held senior positions in the Assad government...

    You know who else vowed to go after political rivals?

    1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      the rebel alliance

      I heard that in Darth Vader’s voice.

      1. Ajsloss   7 months ago

        I was just going to ask if we knew of anyone else that led a rebel alliance.

        1. CE   7 months ago

          Just remember, the empire always strikes back. And even after you finish them off, they come back stronger than ever, and call themselves the "first" order, even though they're clearly the second order.

          1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   7 months ago

            Sounds like turd.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

        Me too.

      3. Dillinger   7 months ago

        this is CNN.

      4. mad.casual   7 months ago

        Not me. I heard it in Thulsa Doom's or maybe Mufasa from the Lion King's voice.

        1. Dillinger   7 months ago

          that fucking blind old man in Sandlot ...

    2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   7 months ago

      Leakin' Joe, but he didn't know what that meant when he read the lines.

    3. shadydave   7 months ago

      Volodymyr Zelenskyy?

      1. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

        Ok Putin puppet.

    4. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   7 months ago

      Exposed vent shafts are the cause of 100% of rebel victories

      1. Eeyore   7 months ago

        Practice safe shaft.

      2. CE   7 months ago

        The Empire would still be in charge, if they had just dealt with that womp rat problem on Tatooine in a timely fashion, so no one could have practiced shooting them in Beggar's Canyon.

    5. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

      Robespierre?

    6. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

      Hillary Clinton?

    7. Commenter_XY   7 months ago

      Kash Patel?

      1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

        That’s not so much an enemies list as it is “America’s Most Wanted”.

    8. B G   7 months ago

      Kathy Hoechul? Letitia James? Adam Schiff? Maxine Waters? Bloomberg, Hoffman, Soros?

      Obama never talked about it, but he sure did seem to allow the bureaucrats in his administration do it with gusto... (which I suppose we're supposed to think is better because no mean tweets or something?)

      trump's been talking about it again, but he didn't actually do it last time, so it wouldn't be entirely surprising for that pattern to repeat.

      It gets confusing if you don't specify a particular year in connection with real and/or imagined abuses and weaponization of government power anymore. I keep forgetting whether we're supposed to be outraged about cases where someone talked about doing it or cases where it actually happened?

      I also keep forgetting, is it "two legs. bad", or its it "four legs, good"? And are we at war with Eurasia or with Eastasia (and did the "foreign interference" put up all the wrong banners for Hate Week just to disrupt our faith in the system?)

  3. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

    Democrats keeping their eye on plans to fight inflation. By giving out more "free" money.

    https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/money-your-pockets-governor-hochul-proposes-sending-86-million-new-yorkers-inflation-refund

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

      Are they just fucking with us now?

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

        Openly!

      2. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

        When aren’t they?

      3. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

        Gotta make life rough for trump.

    2. Ska   7 months ago

      I'm looking forward to not getting a refund, but paying that additional "lives below 60th Street" tax. I mean congestion pricing.

    3. CE   7 months ago

      How are people ever going to get ahead of inflation if we don't keep giving them free cash to afford stuff?

    4. B G   7 months ago

      The damage they can do at the State level is limited though because they can't get the Fed to print the money to fund it like what happened with the CARES/PPP, and Build Back Better/Inflation Reduction Act.

  4. Fist of Etiquette   7 months ago

    Daniel Penny, the Marine who killed Jordan Neely, a homeless man who had been behaving erratically on the subway, was acquitted of all charges...

    SUCK IT, BRAGG.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   7 months ago

      Bragg should be swinging from a light post.

      1. Ajsloss   7 months ago

        Even a humiliating defeat like this won’t make him a humble bragg.

      2. Sometimes a Great Notion   7 months ago

        Better be a steel or cast iron light post. Don't think aluminum could support his ego let alone his girth.

        1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

          Those aluminum mastarms are stronger than you think.

      3. charliehall   7 months ago

        You are as bad as Trump and the killer of the CEO.

        1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

          Cite?

        2. damikesc   7 months ago

          Love how, in your firmly balanced mind, Trump and a murderer are on the same level.

        3. Diarrheality   7 months ago

          As luck would have it, nobody gives a shit what you think.

        4. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

          No, you are as bad as Harris and the killer of the CEO.

        5. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   7 months ago

          You are a fucking slimy pile of lefty shit. Fuck off and die, asshole.

      4. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

        Better get a REALLY strong rope for that. Like whatever Pedo Jeffy would use to hang himself.

        1. jimc5499   7 months ago

          1/8th inch stainless steel aircraft cable would work.

          1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

            I’m open to testing that. What does Jeffy’s schedule look like?

      5. B G   7 months ago

        A light post is too good for him. Old school tar and feathers seems more appropriate.

    2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   7 months ago

      I believe that is liable and Bragg can be sued if that statement is true

    3. JohnZ   7 months ago

      And Daniel Penny DID NOT KILL Neely.

    4. Ron   7 months ago

      instead of killed Jordan is should say Jordan died while being detained. big difference in how people react of course a certain group doesn't care they will lie about it all day to riot some more. BLM needs more money

    5. B G   7 months ago

      Expain to me how an unarmed man was charged with murder on the rationale that the unarmed man he put hands on "presented no danger" by virtue of not having a weapon.

      If an unarmed person can be charged with killing, then being unarmed can't include a presumption of being "harmless".

      1. The Margrave of Azilia   7 months ago

        That must be some of that patriarchal, racist "logic" I keep hearing about.

  5. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

    Social media defund activist goes viral begging for help after years of asking to defund the police. Had all her shit stolen.

    https://nypost.com/2024/12/08/us-news/anti-cop-activist-begs-cops-for-help-when-everything-she-owned-was-stolen-in-san-francisco/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nypost&utm_source=twitter

    1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      Funny feel good story of the week.

    2. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

      Schadenfreude at its very best.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

      Gotta love the face mask.

      1. Quo Usque Tandem   7 months ago

        Looks like a stereotypic progressive; and naturally she is one. I'm glad they persist in wearing a mask for no reason, makes them that much easier to identify [and avoid].

    4. Marshal   7 months ago

      I do love a happy ending.

      1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

        So does Robert Kraft.

    5. JohnZ   7 months ago

      This took place in San Francisco, where else would you expect someone to steal a U Haul truck?
      Wanna bet she turns conservative soon?

      1. Small w woodchippertarian   7 months ago

        Albuquerque on line 1...

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

          No shit.

          Tucson is also in the running.

          1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

            Ahem, Chicago, anyone?

      2. Ron   7 months ago

        no she will blame unjust social policies that drive people to steal to survive in this hell hole

    6. mad.casual   7 months ago

      ... and that's how you lose on Stupid Games! Stupid Prizes! We'd like to thank our sponsors for supporting the show and all of our contestants for playing. I'm your host mad.casual, reminding everyone to help control the pet population. Get your pets spayed or neutered. Or else.

  6. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

    "The document has not yet been released to the public."

    And probably never will if NYS government has any say in it, since it will be detrimental to the progressive cause to have these motives laid bare for murder.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

      Common sense manifesto control.

    2. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

      All references to the CIA will be redacted.

    3. charliehall   7 months ago

      It will be made public at the trial.

      1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

        Your kind like to suppress evidence of your wrongdoing.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

        Maybe if some small-town newspaper sues, which is the only reason the Nashville shooter's manifesto was eventually released. The FBI fought that one tooth and nail.

  7. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

    The various European countries trying to make it illegal for eoght wing parties, no matter how popular, to run for government. Coming soon to America I'm sure.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/democracy-dead-coup-against-right-wing-movements-underway-europe

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

      Common sense democracy control.

      1. Eeyore   7 months ago

        Managed democracy.

    2. I, Woodchipper   7 months ago

      who gets to define "right wing"? Is it just "any party not already in power"? lol

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

        A committee with members from academia, media, and government. You know, our best and brightest.

      2. CE   7 months ago

        It's already pretty clear what right wing means -- anyone who suggests cutting government spending by any amount, or is racist enough to question whether unlimited immigration might not be the best idea.

    3. JohnZ   7 months ago

      A. Hitler is laughing from hell. Or maybe he is muttering to himself.
      Time will tell how this goes over with the conservative movement in Europe.
      Trump should shutter every diplomatic office in every one of those countries.
      Then leave NATO.
      and the U.N.

      1. mad.casual   7 months ago

        Trump should shutter every diplomatic office in every one of those countries. Then leave NATO. and the U.N.

        Prediction: Europe winds up isolated from China, Korea, Russia, the TPP, OPEC, BRICS, and the US; frustrated as to why all these backwards, oppressive, right-wing dictatorships can't see their moral and ideological superiority.

        1. Bill Falcon   7 months ago

          They rejected Christianity and social order...women sleeping around and not marrying and often not having kids. NGO grifters with useless jobs sucking up capital and inhibiting innovation and growth. Gender "equality" in politics. I can't think of a competent female leader other than Thatcher and maybe the current Italian. Rest show how the matriarchy destroys civilization.

          1. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

            Victoria and Elizabeth I seemed fairly competent based on the historical records. So did Tsarina Catherine.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

              All three of them relied on highly competent men to keep their nations running.

    4. damikesc   7 months ago

      They do not seem to realize that change comes by two boxes: Ballot or bullet.

      Take away the ballot box and you do not have a nice option left.

      1. mamabug   7 months ago

        Why do you think they all got rid of guns in 'unauthorized' hands first?

    5. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

      They say it's to stop fascism. But fascism rose, especially in Germany, partially because of an unpopular, weak government that was not supported by the people. Italy and Spain were similar stories. Also, the Tsar's refusal to liberalize his government or to allow the Duma any real power is what lead to his eventual overthrow and execution. Denying people the right to choose is not how you avoid tyranny. Generally, it's quite the opposite, the shortest road to insuring tyrants gain power.

    6. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

      The EU should be overthrown, and all the Marxists put to death.

  8. Fist of Etiquette   7 months ago

    Neely had actually agreed to 15 months of mental health treatment following a guilty plea to a 2021 assault of a 67-year-old woman...

    We're not talking about the same harmless MJ impersonator here.

    1. Ajsloss   7 months ago

      That old lady was hit by, she was struck by a smooth criminal.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

      An authentic MJ impersonator would assault a 7-year-old woman.

  9. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

    Mike Lee reminds X that even democrats didn't believe Jus Soli citizenship applied to illegal immigrants.

    Mike Lee
    @BasedMikeLee
    5. In fact, one of the first bills (at least in recent memory) that attempted to impose statutory limits on automatic birthright citizenship was introduced in 1993 by then-Senator Harry Reid, a Democrat, who later became the Democrats’ leader in the Senate.
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    6. Senator Reid’s bill was called the Immigration Stabilization Act of 1993. Title X of that bill would have limited automatic birthright citizenship to children born in the United States to mothers who were either U.S. citizens or legal permanent residents at the time.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   7 months ago

      Imigratin stabilization at

      1. Get your shit

      2. Get out

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

      But remember that Democrats have NOT gone progressive bat-shit crazy. Everyone else has lurched to the right.

    3. Minadin   7 months ago

      "that bill would have limited automatic birthright citizenship to children born in the United States to mothers who were either U.S. citizens or legal permanent residents at the time."

      I agree with this policy, although I think it could be either parent, not just the mother. But that's a detail.

    4. charliehall   7 months ago

      The 14th Amendment objects.

      1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

        Does it on illegal aliens? The courts have ruled on legal immigrants, but not illegal aliens. 14A also does not apply to the children of diplomats.

        1. windycityattorney   7 months ago

          Where do you come up with this? The Wong Kim Ark decision was decided at a time when the US didn't have green cards and the concept of lawful permanent resident didn't exist. The decision repeatedly refers to Kim Ark's parents as subjects of China (i.e, Chinese citizens). Thus, he was born here to parents both of whom were Chinese citizens. Apply that to your average kid born to parents both of whom are Mexican citizens.

          What is the constitutional difference?

          1. damikesc   7 months ago

            SCOTUS is more than capable of overturning terrible precedent at the very least.

          2. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

            So, it hasn't decided on legal vs illegal, since that distinction didn't apply at the time. Thank you for verifying the OP posts was essentially correct. God, what third rate, cracker box law school did you go to?

            1. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

              He’s not a real attorney.

              1. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

                Oh, there's a lot of really stupid attorneys (we have way to many law schools in this country, and far more attorneys than is required), I mean Harris is an attorney, FFS.

                1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   7 months ago

                  "...I mean Harris is an attorney, FFS."

                  That's a bar about as high as whale shit.

                  1. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

                    My point exactly.

                2. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

                  Fair point. But my position is more fun.

            2. windycityattorney   7 months ago

              No you idiot; both of Kim Ark's parents were CHINESE citizens.

              You want the 14th amendment to add a requirement that one or both of the parents be a US citizen? Which of Kim Ark's parents would have met this criteria?

              If an illegal immigrant gives birth on US soil today and the mom is a citizen of another country and the dad is unknown OR also a citizen of another country, what is the difference between that child born today and Kim Ark in the 1800s??? DO YOU SPEAK ENGLISH?

              Statutes can't change the language of an amendment because in US law; the constitution trumps statutes. Adding requirements that don't exist in the amendment to change the plain meaning of the amendment would violate a few or more of constitutional canons of interpretation that the Sup Ct follows to interpret ALL constitutional amendments/constitutional language.

              You dumb fucks likely know this but since all you want to do is make shit up you don't engage in substantive discussions just shit talking ad hominem.

              1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

                Are younsure you went to lawschool? The argument is about under the jurisdiction of. And if they applies to those not here under a legal status.

                Which unaccredited school charged you for your fake law degree?

                This has literally been a legal discussion between legal principles for decades.

                Maybe they didn't teach you that as you got credit for watching Suits.

                1. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

                  “Suits”

                  She might be a bitch, but Meghan Markle looks damn fine in a business skirt.

                  1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

                    Actually, Markle looks chunky around the middle compared to the other hot bodies cast on the show.

              2. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

                No one said one or both needed to be citizens, just legal residents. As the case was decided before that law was passed it moot moron. There is no precedence. You infer it that it applies to illegal aliens but that wasn't decided. So, yes, you are an idiot.

                1. windycityattorney   7 months ago

                  soldiermedic76 - the 14th amendment's language does not signify any difference between a legal resident or non legal resident. By its very terms it applies to ANY person born here. Congress has other constitutional authority to pass immigration and naturalization laws; neither of which apply to persons born here because the 14th amendment says they are citizens. This isn't a debate.

                  Nor is it a legal debate that 'illegals' are or are not subject to our jurisdiction. They are entitled to due process. If they commit a crime, they are charged and if convicted, they are sentenced. How would that work if they were not subject to US jurisdiction? There is a reason there is a very long backlog in immigration court for all the illegals the US is attempting to remove. They are protected by other constitutional rights as well. Of all the arguments in this silly debate, them not being subject to our jurisdiction is possibly the weakest argument. In order to rule they are NOT subject to our jurisdiction would overturn many precedents which establish that they in fact are and would cause massive chaos well beyond upsetting the longstanding understanding of the 14th amendment's birthright clause.

                  You people are not making legal arguments. You are making policy arguments for why the law should say x or z without thinking about the collateral consequences or implications of what you are even arguing. I am condescending because frankly it is a waste of time and most of the commenters just want to focus on me not going to law school because they disagree with my legal arguments; made by people who clearly by their own admission are not lawyers. So its a circlejerk of stupidity.

              3. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

                I engage in substantive arguments all the time. In fact, yesterday I posted several substantive posts about the history of bounties in the US legal system that you obviously ignored. Also discussed at length the history of post Columbus Amerindian migrations, and the flimsy basis of land acknowledgement statements as a result. Furthermore, today I discussed the impetus to explore in human psychology, the history of how weak governments, unsupported by the people historically leads to overthrow by tyrannical movements, etc. None of those contained ad hominems, but your first post starts out with an insult 'where do you come up with this' that implies the OP is stupid for believing differently than you. This is typical of your posts, which tend to show a great degree of hubris, but very little actual intelligence. They tend to be rehash of well worn leftist tropes, rather than any sign of original thinking on your part. So, as a result, you deserve nothing more than insults. Furthermore, you fail to see that the point you made wasn't actually contradictory to the OP post, but you insist that you are correct and everyone else is wrong. This level of hubris also deserves nothing more than derision. You are insulting, tend to have an overinflated sense of your own intellect, tend to be sophomoric in your arguments, and what level of appeal to authority does stating you're an attorney rise? Additionally, being an attorney is hardly a strong recommendation anymore, largely because law schools are a dime a dozen and largely diploma mills. You are in fact a jejune elitist, who really has an overinflated sense of your own rather limited intellectual abilities.

      2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

        How to tell someone is retarded example 1.

        Why can't you leftists actually learn the basics of your argument?

  10. Fist of Etiquette   7 months ago

    NASA is delaying its first moon landing in more than 50 years by several months to 2027, as engineers at the agency race to fix critical safety issues...

    Cue the Ron Howard and Tom Hanks re-teamup.

    1. Randy Sax   7 months ago

      Why go back to the moon? I thought the consensus was "Been there, done that. Nothing new left to learn."

      1. Super Scary   7 months ago

        Mainly for the same reason we did it the first time. Another country (this time China) is planning to go there.

      2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

        Ran out of moon cheese at Davos finally.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

          Moon cheese or moon children?

          1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

            Probably both.

      3. Incunabulum   7 months ago

        Because no one at current NASA has gone to the Moon - so they have to relearn how to do it in order to build up the knowledge base for going further out.

        But, really, there's nothing you're going to learn by sending a person out *anywhere* compared to sending a probe.

        1. A Thinking Mind   7 months ago

          Right. If there’s actual science to be done on the moon proper, we don’t need to put actual people on it. It’s not like a moon colony is anywhere near feasible. Terraforming Mars isn’t even very practical, assuming we overcame the engineering issues, because it lacks a magnetosphere, and therefore it’s bombarded by intense radiation and has a very thin atmosphere which might as well be vacuum for a fleshy human body.

          There was a time when there was value in showing we could send a man to a celestial body, land him on it, and then bring him back, just for the proof of concept. But without a specific task it’s an utter waste of resources when we already have proof of concept.

          1. mad.casual   7 months ago

            *If* we're ever going to cocoon actual meaty humans in a bubble of water and shoot them to an extra-solar liquid-water planet, living under a dome of water and/or earth on Mars would be a good start or practice run.

            *If* we can simply upload consciousness into mechanical bodies and are simply going to blast the machinery wherever in the Solar System/Galaxy/Universe we need to, yeah, Terraforming is a bit immaterial.

            However, at this point, it's pretty definitively unclear as to which will be the definitively easier feat and which will be the harder feat and the idea that one should absolutely exclude the other is completely unfounded if not actively stupid. Like saying you don't need to develop agriculture if you've mastered sailing or the steam engine.

            1. A Thinking Mind   7 months ago

              But we're not sending someone to the Moon to start a moon colony. Until you've solved hundreds of theoretical issues about the practicality and sustainability of that idea, there's no point actually sending more people on rockets to the moon. The whole point is to say you went there but sending someone there does nothing to solve the issues of colonization.

              In fact, having people walking on the surface of the Moon or Mars is one of the last steps, if we're looking at colonizing. We're skipping the hard stuff because it's easier to pretend we're accomplishing something by repeating the task we've already done.

              If we want to colonize, start solving the theoretical issues instead of the already-solved question of, "But can we even get someone onto the surface of the moon?" Because we can, and doing it again doesn't elevate our understanding of the process.

        2. mad.casual   7 months ago

          But, really, there's nothing you're going to learn by sending a person out *anywhere* compared to sending a probe.

          This is an epistemological argument and a rather patently false one. Fanatical techno-optimism, especially given current reality and/or known fact. I would agree that there is *LOTS* to learn at the comparatively low cost of sending probes, but the assertion that there's nothing to learn assumes we know things that we know we don't know and/or that the thought experiments dictate reality rather than the other way around.

          The idea that there's nothing we can learn with meat that we couldn't learn with probes ignores the fact that we can already, right here on Earth, digitally collect more than our "5" senses can process and people largely reject it and even go so far as to adopt patently absurd "I identify as..." idiocy *without* probes or technology.

          If you had people cutting off their arms and attaching robotic ones because they offered full sensation and range-of-motion with the addition of inhuman speed and strength, there might be a case that sending the robot arm is as good or better. Instead, you've got people chopping off their junk and pretending it makes them attack helicopters. If you have quadriplegics locked in to submersible probes for years on end, supporting people living in underwater habitats for years at a time, whether the atmosphere outside the habitat is liquid water or ammonia or methane or the vacuum of space *begins* to become immaterial. Instead, the current record for continuous VR use is 50 hours as a charity stunt and the longest continuous underwater habitation is on the order of months.

          1. Rick James   7 months ago

            Huh, your link is interesting. "Blockchain crypto-currencies are centralized". Glad to see people other (smarter) than me making that argument. I remember pointing this out when Arcade City was easily shut down by the government through sheer force of will.

          2. A Thinking Mind   7 months ago

            If there was something of value to be done on the Moon, Elon Musk would be leading the charge. The fact that it's NASA and not any of the private space exploration companies that wants a moon mission should tell you about the expected usefulness of the mission.

            1. mad.casual   7 months ago

              Rolling this statement up with the one above, with all due respect to Elon and libertarianism, I'm not defending this specific mission and the arguments or disagreement are still the same for Mars. Proclamations from Elon don't change the epistemology.

              Mars isn't any more substantial in terms of value than Antarctica or The Moon besides Elon and the same "We haven't done it." Moreover, you don't extract the value from Mars or the rovers without risk. Whether that's sacrificing human experience to automation or sacrificing human lives to the vacuum of space. If you're looking for high value, low, low, low risk, there are still much more feasible "firsts" here on Earth. But, like The Moon, going back, *and* Mars, low, low, low risk is not the goal.

              As indicated/suggested, I don't exactly care if we're colonizing or not or if we're sending probes or not. Just don't tell me the closer colonization mission isn't feasible or isn't as valuable or has a longer term payout but the further one is/does/has and don't tell me that probes are so good that I don't have to believe my lying eyes.

        3. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

          Several issues. First, man is by nature curious and explorers. If we haven't explored it, we will, just because it's there and we will want to go in person. That's human nature. Always has been. If the sagas are to be believed, Leif Ericson set out for America, not for any commercial reasons but because he had heard stories of other sailors blown of course while traveling to Greenland, who had spied lands to the west of Greenland, and he wanted to see them (unlike his father, who had been banished from both Norway and Iceland because of his temper and feuds with neighbors, must have been a really bad temper for Viking age Norway and Iceland to banish him). There's a drive to see what's over the next hill with your own eyes.

          Secondly, probes are good but lack curiosity, lack intuition, lack impulsivity. This limits their ability. They're great at gathering certain data, within the parameters of their design and programming but are limited by those same designs and programming. The Mars Rover could blindly drive right past a Martian (being hyperbolic, obviously), and not realize it's there unless it's told to look in that specific area at that specific time.

          Finally, I'm not sure I want to live in a world were humans can grow complacent , because science can be conducted by robots/drones/probes. That isn't a utopia, it's a distopia.

          However, space exploration should be civilianized and privatized. And people will colonize the moon and Mars because they are there, not because some government wants them to. There will always be pioneers and people who will make that pioneering possible.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

            You guys have all missed the military perspective. As much as we might wish it not to happen, space presents an irresistible domain for military exploitation, either offensive or defensive. Playing with rockets is always about more than noble exploration.

            1. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

              There's also that point.

      4. CE   7 months ago

        The moon is a stepping stone/space port to Mars. And Musk is calling the shots now.

    2. Spiritus Mundi   7 months ago

      Have to make sure the bathrooms on the lunar lander are gender neutral.

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

        Just hope imperial measurements don't identify as SI like that poor mars rover.

      2. mad.casual   7 months ago

        Right. Remake for modern audiences. The part where Nell Vagstrong says, "That's one small displacement for person, one giant transposition for terran-kind."? Chills.

      3. Eeyore   7 months ago

        Of all of the 1000s of genders - is there one that connects to usb-c?

    3. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   7 months ago

      NASA doesn't have engineers, they have dei hires

      1. Spiritus Mundi   7 months ago

        Hidden Figures no moar you bigot!

      2. JohnZ   7 months ago

        Spaceships an sheit.
        Deyshaun an Taneequa be all buildin space ships an sheit while trans engineer Daneel is busily removing his junk before making tech changes to the capsule that will make it gender neutral.
        Meanwhile Elon Musk is planning a trip to Mars.

    4. Bill Falcon   7 months ago

      oh no..the first POC, woman and transvestite on the moon will not be American (and I'm sure won't be Chinese when they beat us there unless NASA shuts down SLS and let's Elon take over).

      Orion is too heavy on SLS so they can't put a lunar lander. So the current plan of using a small space station in lunar orbit to transfer the crew from the Orion capsule to the massive SpaceX starship. The plan is idiotic in the extreme. Even the space shuttle design wasn't this bad and it was bad.

      If it comes down to getting a man there first, Falcon Heavy, two launches, one with Dragon and the TLI booster and the other with a small lunar lander (similar to the old Apollo LM), Elon can probably make this happen in two years..but it is a one shot pop like Apollo was.

  11. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

    MSNBC host Joy Reid is enraged President Trump has given Hamas a deadline to return the American hostages they kidnapped on 10/7.
    We had to see it with our own eyes to believe it.

    1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      “Global gangsterism”
      LOL

    2. Social Justice is neither   7 months ago

      Remember Joy Reid is a product of Ivy league indoctrination. She is so blinded by it she cannot form a coherent thought and instead just spouts reactionary contrarian or supportive positions regardless of reality.

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

        What's sarcs excuse? He isn't ivy league.

        1. Social Justice is neither   7 months ago

          Mad dog?

          1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

            Turpentine?

        2. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

          Little league at best.

        3. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

          Al Cohol.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

        Also a cunt.

      3. JohnZ   7 months ago

        I thought she was just bat-shit crazy.
        BTW the blond afro does not work.

    3. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

      She’s pure evil.

    4. One-Punch_Man   7 months ago

      Price to buy MSNBC just went down again. Soon, they will have to pay Musk to buy it

  12. Fist of Etiquette   7 months ago

    New Zealand is banning greyhound racing.

    Libertarian paradise my ass.

    1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      Hey, I don’t have a dog in that race.

    2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   7 months ago

      Greyhound? I heard a lot of euphinisms for dwarfs, but that's a new one on me

    3. Quicktown Brix   7 months ago

      Looks like my investment in racing dachshunds is about to pay off!

      1. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

        Corgi racing is a hoot.

    4. charliehall   7 months ago

      So libertarians love to abuse animals.

      1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

        Obviously your sarcasm meter is broken.

        1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

          Stupid people have no sense of humor.

          1. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

            Yeah, this charlie character is dumb as fuck.

            1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   7 months ago

              Being a lefty shit pretty much guarantees that. And that asshole is a steaming pile of lefty shit.

      2. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

        Greyhounds love to run. They will race even if we don't have them race. Fucking race horses will too. And they actually are very competitive. Only a moron, who knows nothing about animals would make a stupid statement like that. But obviously you're fairly dimwitted, so not a real surprise.

  13. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

    If all the facts were the same but Neely had been white and Penny had been black, none of this would have even made it outside local news. Black Penny might have been hailed as a hero, Biden probably would have given him the Medal of Freedom.

    1. Quicktown Brix   7 months ago

      oh oh Bam ba Lam.

      1. Ajsloss   7 months ago

        Black Penny had a child?

      2. Dillinger   7 months ago

        fun song to play.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

      Ibram Kendi and Robin DiAngelo approve.

    3. JohnZ   7 months ago

      Penny now has to worry about the death threats made by peaceful BLM leaders ( from their mansions).
      Mostly peaceful death threats though.

  14. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   7 months ago

    "It's the VERY LAST DAY OF OUR WEBATHON"
    Given your efforts over the past year, my check this year will be for $0.50; even then more than Reason deserves.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   7 months ago

      I wonder the split if reason allowed direct naming of recipients.

      1. Randy Sax   7 months ago

        Maybe somekinda "punishment" for the winner. Get a pie thrown in your face, have to wear a "tax the rich" dress or a Browns jersey or something.

        1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   7 months ago

          Lowest money receiver gets fired?

          1. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

            From a cannon.

            1. 5.56   7 months ago

              No, from an upper receiver.

        2. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

          Considering last Sunday, a Bears jersey might be more of a punishment. 4 yards in the first half? Like someone posted, if you got up to walk across the room to change the channel, you gained more yards than the Bears did in the first half.

          1. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

            And against a Niners team that is plagued with injuries and not playing well either and still managed to post 310 yards against the Bears in the first half.

            1. Dillinger   7 months ago

              I wore three different Bears shirts Sunday didn't help at all.

    2. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

      Isn’t fifty cents what Jeffy earns per word from his rants?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

        Not since the DNC establishment breakdown last July.

  15. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

    AG
    @AGHamilton29
    Police searched the homes of students associated with the SJP chapter at George Mason University after they were suspected of vandalizing property on campus.

    They found a bunch of unsecured guns, Hamas + Hezbollah flags, patches calling for death of Jews and America.

    The two students received 4 year bans from campus.

    Guess what faculty and student activists at George Mason are upset about? Not these terrorist supporters committing crimes on campus, but that they were banned.

    https://x.com/AGHamilton29/status/1866234849616384102

    1. Commenter_XY   7 months ago

      Hopefully, their names will be published far and wide. And I really hope Canary Mission gets these four assholes into their searchable antisemite database so as to fuck with their employment prospects.

    2. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

      "patches calling for death of Jews and America."

      Just like the back of MTrueman's Subaru.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

        Lesbaru.

      2. Bill Falcon   7 months ago

        Hey Subies are great cars..have had four of them

    3. charliehall   7 months ago

      The 2nd Amendment crowd thinks that it is totally okay for such groups to have huge arsenals.

      1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

        What does “shall not be enfringed” mean to you, dipshit?

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   7 months ago

          "What does “shall not be enfringed” mean to you, dipshit?"

          That asshole has yet to hear about something callee "the constitution". Maybe if he ever gets to the 6th grade, they'll cover it.

      2. Rick James   7 months ago

        No, I just don't want my constitutional rights abridged because you anti-2nd amendment crowd can't seem to keep illegal guns out of the hands of people who aren't supposed to have them.

      3. Quicktown Brix   7 months ago

        Yes we do.

      4. Its_Not_Inevitable   7 months ago

        "for such groups" Well, if they're threatening or targeting innocent people, then no.

      5. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

        This topic is too complicated for you.

      6. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

        The arsenal isn't a problem, it's the anti-Semitism moron.

  16. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

    "Mangione went to a fancy private school in Maryland, where he was the valedictorian, and then continued on to the University of Pennsylvania, where he studied computer science."

    Anybody calling for common sense elite education controls?

    1. Ajsloss   7 months ago

      Certainly nobody needs as many credentials as some of these folks have.

      1. Randy Sax   7 months ago

        I'd hire someone forktruck certified over a valedictorian any day of the week.

        1. damikesc   7 months ago

          Well, they'd have a useful skill to offer. Valedictorians tend to have a love of sniffing their own farts at best.

    2. Spiritus Mundi   7 months ago

      He was a victim of his own white privilege.

      1. Bill Falcon   7 months ago

        He was a POC..Italian. And a victim of White Supremacy according to his lawyer... ha ha

    3. Eeyore   7 months ago

      That crime could never happen in Colorado, because 3d printed gun parts are illegal.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

        My printer operates in 4D.

        1. Quicktown Brix   7 months ago

          pfft...as long as it doesn't approach a black hole, I bet.

          1. Eeyore   7 months ago

            Black holes would be the perfect murder weapon. It would dispose of the body, the witnesses, the assassin, the entire crime scene.

            1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

              Racist.

              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

                OK, African-American holes.

        2. Dillinger   7 months ago

          does anybody really know what time it is?

          1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

            Does anybody really care?

  17. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

    Haven't seen it discussed here, but I've missed some time. At least Glenn Litton saved us the trouble of dealing with him.

    https://americanmilitarynews.com/2024/12/school-shooter-planned-child-executions-officials-say/

    Law enforcement officials have revealed that a school shooter who left two children wounded last Wednesday at a Christian elementary school in California planned “child executions” as “counter-measures” against America’s “involvements in genocide and oppression of Palestinians.”

    According to The Los Angeles Times, Butte County Sheriff Kory Honea identified the shooter, who died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound, as 56-year-old Glenn Litton. The outlet noted that Honea described the shooter as a mentally ill, homeless man who had a lengthy criminal record.

    Law enforcement officials discovered a statement left by Litton that he planned “child executions” in response to “America’s involvements in genocide and oppression of Palestinians” and U.S. attacks in Yemen.

    “That’s a motivation that was in his mind,” Honea said. “How it was that he conflated what’s going on in Palestine and Yemen with the Seventh-Day Adventist Church, I can’t speculate. I’m not sure that we’ll ever know that.

    1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      We need to reopen the mental hospitals.

      1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   7 months ago

        Or firing squads

        1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

          I still favor drawing and quartering.

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

          Penal colonies would be good, too.

        3. Its_Not_Inevitable   7 months ago

          Public hangings. Dead or alive.

      2. Eeyore   7 months ago

        Maybe just drop them off in Gaza in the middle of the night. It's how they deal with problem dogs in the country.

        1. rbike   7 months ago

          I assumed Trans involvement. I guess I know more than I expected and it wasn't that this time.

    2. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

      "planned “child executions” as “counter-measures” against America’s “involvements in genocide and oppression of Palestinians.”

      Somebody has been reading JFree.

    3. Marshal   7 months ago

      A five year old and a six year old were both shot and in critical condition. I wonder why this is a local news story I hadn't even heard before.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

        Well, they don't want you thinking that left-wing radicals can be violent.

        1. Marshal   7 months ago

          Right.

          It's a shame the guy killed himself, Cal-Berkely would surely have offered him a teaching position.

    4. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

      The Seventh-Day Adventists are pretty hardcore pacifists.

      1. The Margrave of Azilia   7 months ago

        They put on the uniform but serve as medics, not shooters. Mel Gibson explained this in his Desmond Doss movie.

        1. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

          The book does a much better job of it.

  18. Randy Sax   7 months ago

    was acquitted of all charges, including manslaughter (which the jury had, for a few days, been deadlocked on) and the lesser charge, criminally negligent homicide.

    Why was the jury deadlocked on manslaughter, but only took an hour to reach not guilty for the lesser charge?

    1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      Go big or go home.

    2. Social Justice is neither   7 months ago

      Overblown conviction or riots sends a message to the white man that the lesser charges do not.

    3. TrickyVic (old school)   7 months ago

      Killing someone unintentionally can be manslaughter. Neely died so the charge is in play. However, all the evidence of why pointed to someone trying to defend other people. Penny's actions were not done with criminal negligence. That was very obvious via 40 witnesses, and video.

      1. shadydave   7 months ago

        The other explanation I heard was that the manslaughter charge was hung on only one juror saying "guilty" and after the response to that charge getting thrown out, the juror probably figured it was pointless to hold out any longer and decided it was easier just to go home.

  19. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

    You really can't hate the media enough...they sang the same song when FEMA ran out of money because they spent billions on illegal aliens.

    PolitiFact
    @PolitiFact
    Many conservatives complained when President Joe Biden pledged $1 billion to help displaced Africans, saying the money should go to Americans displaced by hurricanes. But funding for foreign aid and disaster relief aren't connected.

    Best response on the X thread was

    Steve Skojec
    @SteveSkojec
    ·
    Dec 9
    "The money I spend on booze has nothing to do with the fact that my children have no food to eat. Totally different budgets."

    https://hotair.com/david-strom/2024/12/09/is-it-any-wonder-that-no-sane-person-takes-fact-checks-seriously-n3797723

    1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      So that’s sarc’s real name?

    2. Spiritus Mundi   7 months ago

      Money is only fungible when hiding illicit profits.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

      Remember that for progressives, economics and finance, like math, are collections of feelings, not numbers with quantitative relationships.

  20. Spiritus Mundi   7 months ago

    Has a NFA regulated supressor but a 3D printed receiver. Seems legit.

    1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      It’s funny he thought he was smart enough to get away with it.

      1. Jerry B.   7 months ago

        Based on how many times he had to clear a misfire, not a very good assembly job.

        1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

          I thought ghost guns were single fire.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

            I thought "ghost guns" are any weapons created outside the official ATF legal system, including duplicates of modern rifles and pistols.

            1. Spiritus Mundi   7 months ago

              80% receivers and 3D printed ones, or if you are really creative one you widdled from a piece of wood. Basically anything that doesn't have a serial number or bought via an FFL. Most of the gun parts, triggers, barrels, slides, magazines, etc, are just purchased over the counter. Only the receivers, aka frame, are regulated.

              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

                Just be like John Browning.

          2. Incunabulum   7 months ago

            https://www.youtube.com/@IvanPrintsGuns/videos

            We're way past that.

          3. Incunabulum   7 months ago

            Also, ghost gun is a term for unserialized guns, not 3d printed specifically.

            You can make a gun at home with a desktop CNC and a few tools out of metal - or even just deface the serial on a purchased gun - and its a 'ghost gun'.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

              WE NEED TO OUTLAW THE SALE AND POSSESSION OF METAL!

              1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

                Don’t give Democrats any more ideas.

          4. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

            All zip guns are ghost guns, but not all ghost guns are zip guns.

      2. Rick James   7 months ago

        He wasn't counting on the meddling kids...

      3. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

        Yeah, holding on to the fake ID that you used in your escapes while the NYPD has been for days now broadcasting they know how he left NYC really points to intelligence. Together with the dirt bag in Idaho, I think we're seeing how far these so called intellectuals actually aren't the brightest bulbs on the tree.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

          Or at least half hoping to be caught.

  21. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

    Something else about the American Stasi for Lying Jeffy to lie about and TeenReason to ignore.

    New Report Exposes Extensive Illegal Government Spying on Citizen's Bank Accounts

    "The information obtained during the Committee and Select Subcommittee’s investigation, and detailed in this report, is concerning. Documents show that federal law enforcement increasingly works hand-in-glove with financial institutions, obtaining virtually unchecked access to private financial data and testing out new methods and new technology to continue the financial surveillance of American citizens,"

    "Documents obtained by the Committee and Select Subcommittee demonstrate that federal law enforcement increasingly relies on financial institutions for highly sensitive information about Americans without legal process. Federal law enforcement has effectively deputized financial institutions to advance its investigations and to gain access to the information that financial institutions possess. As financial institutions’ capacity to track and gather data on Americans continues to increase, federal law enforcement will continue to be incentivized to rely on banks for easy access to sensitive information about Americans’ private lives,"

    We now know the federal government flagged terms like “MAGA” and “TRUMP,” to financial institutions if Americans completed transactions using those terms.
    What was also flagged? If you bought a religious text, like a bible, or shopped at Bass Pro Shop.

    Further, the FBI has conducted hundreds-of-thousands of illegal searches without proper warrants in recent years.

    Breaking tonight: New allegations that the FBI overstepped its authority in conducting its investigations against American citizens. And not just a few times: we’re talking in the hundreds of thousands of times

    1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      “Just a minor inconvenience.”

    2. Social Justice is neither   7 months ago

      So Hamas is fine but MAGA is out of bounds? Not sure how I'd feel about a 9-11 style attack on the Hoover building given their recent actions.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

        Reluctant but strategic approval?

    3. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

      Stop censoring the right of government to be secure in your papers. - Jeff, probably.

    4. Sometimes a Great Notion   7 months ago

      Repeal the Bank Secrecy Act of 1970!

    5. damikesc   7 months ago

      Weird how the admin that helped put a lot of these idiotic policies in place (Bush) was SO supportive of Biden and seemed to dislike Trump quite a bit.

      State bootlickers, the whole lot of them.

      1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

        The GOPe are just as culpable as the Democrats. I want to see McConnell, Ryan, Romney, Graham and Cheney sitting in the same dock as Schiff, Schumer and Pelosi.

        1. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

          Mace suggests she might primary Graham. A day later an old video of her playing a gross drinking game in 2016 reemerges.

  22. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

    "America's best-known practitioner of youth gender medicine is being sued," by Jesse Singal

    Saw a reddit AITA topic the other day, where mother of a 6-year-old boy asked if she's the asshole because she would not allow her sister to give her son a pink frilly dress and costume jewelry for his birthday. The aunt's rationale was the boy's best friend is a girl, so he must be transgender and mom is wrong for suppressing his transition.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   7 months ago

      How can there be a best know practitioner of something that doesn't exist?

    2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

      Aunt is not only an asshole but retarded.

      Bet she has cats.

      1. Randy Sax   7 months ago

        "He needs to be trans to make me a more interesting person."

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

          Another Munchausen by proxy club member.

          1. JohnZ   7 months ago

            There it is.

        2. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

          "My niece was a trans girl but my sister tried to suppress her and the child had internalized it by insisting she was a boy, but I bought her pretty dresses anyway."

          *Takes another victory lap*

        3. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

          For those not clear on the reference...actress Annette Bening:

          “I think the greatest gift of my life is to have kids and to have a transgender child has made me so much more interesting. So much more wise,”

    3. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   7 months ago

      Give the aunt a peice of lead at high velocity to her skull

  23. Knutsack   7 months ago

    "Mangione has been charged in Manhattan with second-degree murder..."

    Second-degree? Not first-degree? I'm not a lawyer. Can someone explain that to me?

    1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      The guy had it coming.

    2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

      Italian leftists identify as people of color.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

        To be fair, Italians once were officially "black".

        1. Dillinger   7 months ago

          Dennis Hopper on line 2 says order the eggplant.

        2. Vernon Depner   7 months ago

          Something Africentric radicals and the Klan agree on.

        3. Arn1   7 months ago

          "To be fair, Italians once were officially "black"."

          This "officially" part is not really true. At no point in time were Italians included in black people in the US census or subject to the restriction of black people in segregated area. The were discriminated against, of course, but they were legally white.

          1. Vernon Depner   7 months ago

            Great, another autistic pedant.

    3. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

      Well, a lot of folks in NYC think it was justifiable homicide, practically self-defense.

    4. sarcasmic   7 months ago

      I had the same thought.

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

        Cite?

        1. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

          He heard someone else express the same question.

    5. Stupid Government Tricks   7 months ago

      I believe that in some jurisdictions, at some times, only killing a cop or judge or other government flunky was first degree. But IANAL and have no idea what all the distinctions are today in NY.

      1. CE   7 months ago

        In NYC, first degree murder has a lot of extra conditions -- such as killing a first responder/government employee, or an act of terror, or a repeat offender, or a serial killer.

    6. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

      Meh. Let's see if Mangione's high-priced legal teams tries some sort of insanity plea.

    7. Zeb   7 months ago

      I thought that was odd too. Seems pretty clearly premeditated.

    8. Quicktown Brix   7 months ago

      Just speculating: It's a lower bar for making charges and will be upgraded soon.

      1. Zeb   7 months ago

        Seems likely. I guess based on the video evidence, 2nd degree is all they can be confident in. Seems likely other evidence will help support a more serious charge.

      2. windycityattorney   7 months ago

        They likely put in a placeholder charge until he is indicted that is serious enough to deny bail once he gets to NY. That is pretty common everywhere.

    9. Minadin   7 months ago

      I was wondering the same thing. Traveling from outside the area, knowing the guy's itinerary, lying in wait, shooting him in the back without being 'provoked' or in the heat of a confrontation - that all seems to point to deliberate premeditated murder.

      1. Marshal   7 months ago

        I wonder where he got this information. Was it publicly available or was he coordinating with other people.

        1. Dillinger   7 months ago

          in which pocket of his backpack was Catcher in the Rye?

          1. Ska   7 months ago

            This just in: new reports on Luigi Angelo Mangione...

        2. Minadin   7 months ago

          I imagine that's why a number of large insurance companies removed their corporate officer profiles and such from their websites last week.

  24. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

    'There have been lots of takes circulating about how Neely needed care, and was denied it by a cruel and unfeeling city that leaves homeless and mentally ill people in the lurch.'

    OK, in Reason's version of Libertopia are all cities kind and caring, and eager to provide support for homeless and mentally ill people?

    1. Social Justice is neither   7 months ago

      Let's go with this. Neely needed care so reopen the asylums and problem solved. Who seriously thought a mentally I'll criminal would stay at a voluntary care facility?

      1. Vernon Depner   7 months ago

        No one with any experience with these people thought that. Treating someone like Neely requires coercion. No, that's not libertarian. That decency and compassion require that people like Neely sometimes be coerced into being helped shows that doctrinaire libertarianism has flaws and limitations.

        1. Its_Not_Inevitable   7 months ago

          Doesn't "doctrinaire libertarianism" say that if someone is threatening others then restraint is warranted?

          1. Vernon Depner   7 months ago

            You obviously missed my point.

    2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   7 months ago

      How to find a black kids father
      1. Kill the black kid
      2. See who shows up demanding money

      1. JohnZ   7 months ago

        Gonna be da winna in de ghetto lottery.

      2. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

        Oh for fuck's sake, Buttplug.

  25. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

    Until Congresswoman Crockett rides the NYC subway at 2am for the next 60 days, she should STFU.

  26. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

    'New Zealand is banning greyhound racing.'

    Why do they hate buses?

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

      Greyhound busses are directly responsible for the CEO murder. Luigi took a greyhound to NYC.

      1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

        We need common sense bus control.

        1. Randy Sax   7 months ago

          We need to ban fully semi-automatic transmissions.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

            Actually, as a dedicated stick-shift driver since 1975, I can support this.

            1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

              Likewise, as a manual driver my entire life.

              /if it hasn’t got three pedals, it’s not worth driving.

              1. charliehall   7 months ago

                Same here. I learned to drive on a 3 on the tree with no handbrake.

                1. Dillinger   7 months ago

                  yes. 1953 Chevy

                  edit: agree w/ITL too.

                2. Vernon Depner   7 months ago

                  Me too. '63 Bel Air wagon.

      2. Its_Not_Inevitable   7 months ago

        And global warming.

    2. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

      Speed 2: Drag bus boogaloo.

  27. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

    'Thank you for the gift of your time and attention, it is such a delight getting to write for every single one of you. Merry Christmas! Happy Hanukkah!'

    What about Kwanza and Festivus?

    1. Randy Sax   7 months ago

      Cumpleanos feliz bebe hesus.

    2. JohnZ   7 months ago

      Kwanza is a fraud. Totally made up by a convicted felon.

      1. The Margrave of Azilia   7 months ago

        "So was Christmas." - Christopher Hitchens.

  28. Moderation4ever   7 months ago

    First and admission of error, I had thought that money was most likely reason for Brian Thompson murder. I thought a killing based on claim denial would be more confrontational, less planned and impulsive. Reading the information on the suspect does bring to mind another name Ted Kaczynski. A smart person that doesn't fit in and lashes out.

    1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      Oh yeah, he was real smart.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

        In a classic progressive self-righteous way.

    2. TrickyVic (old school)   7 months ago

      ""the suspect does bring to mind another name Ted Kaczynski. A smart person that doesn't fit in and lashes out.""

      Look out, I've heard calling someone smart means you support them.

      1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   7 months ago

        She’s a Kaczynski puppet

    3. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

      I had figured it was either someone whose wife died of cancer or something after having been denied, or Antifa/Occupy. Anything other than those seemed far fetched.

      1. charliehall   7 months ago

        So did most of the far left.

        There is no difference between the far left snd the far right.

        1. Rick James   7 months ago

          CHARLIE HALL!

        2. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

          Charliehall is the dumbest fucker alive.

          1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

            Does Sarc know?

        3. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

          So, the far left agreed that it was going to be either a man driven to murder out of bereavement OR one of their own?

    4. CE   7 months ago

      Luigi had read the Unabomber's book, and posted positive comments about it.

  29. Marshal   7 months ago

    There's a ton of chatter about how Assad's fall hurts Iran, and particularly their ability to support Hezbollah and Hamas. But the new leaders of Syria are likely to have even more extreme views on Israel and everything else. So these conclusions seem less likely than a short term disruption and restoration of support.

    1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      It will be different this time!

    2. Zeb   7 months ago

      Aren't the new people Sunni?

      1. mtrueman   7 months ago

        That may not be enough. Hamas is Sunni too, as are most Palestinians. After Oct.7th, the US and Israel is still clinging to their divide and rule strategy, as you seem to be, but the Arab world is increasingly putting these sectarian divisions aside.

        1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

          Yes, peace is certain to break out any day now.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

            After 10,000 years of tribal violence, the Arabs and other Middle East factions will finally realize their misguided and futile conflicts, and form a happy and cooperative family coalition.

          2. mtrueman   7 months ago

            "Yes, peace is certain to break out any day now."

            Improved relations between Sunni and Shiite have been in the works since Oct. 7th. That may be the reality we don't want to face, having for decades relied on their mutual enmity to divide and rule.

            1. damikesc   7 months ago

              Yup. Peace is breaking out all over. This time --- it will be shangri-la.

              1. mtrueman   7 months ago

                "Peace is breaking out all over. "

                This is naive. Conflict and suffering will continue. The overthrow of Assad may usher in a re-alignment of the participants, and not to the advantage of the West and Israel who relied on a weak and strife torn Syria.

                1. damikesc   7 months ago

                  MTrue, wait a week and just about ANY country there will become weak and wore-torn.

                  Time for the USA to wash our hands of the region. Take the least off Israel and let them work their magic. Divest from that area.

                  Biden trying to send billions to the fucking terrorist monkeys who run Syria now? WTF is his problem?

                  1. mtrueman   7 months ago

                    "WTF is his problem?"

                    I already answered that. He's beholden to the Israel lobby. He wants their money, their support, and he's terrified of being labeled as an anti-semite. He's no different from Harris or Trump in that regard.

                    If you haven't already read Mearsheimer and Walt's notorious book on the subject, this condensed LRB version is a good place to start.

                    https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v28/n06/john-mearsheimer/the-israel-lobby

        2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   7 months ago

          But it's the JOOOOZ, right, antisemitic asshole?

        3. Zeb   7 months ago

          I'm not clinging to shit. I just don't want any part of it. And Iran isn't part of the Arab world.

          1. sarcasmic   7 months ago

            True. Iran is Persian, not Arab.

            1. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

              Good job sarc!

          2. mtrueman   7 months ago

            Iranians are mostly Muslims, a religion they share with most Arabs. What you are clinging to is the belief that Sunni and Shiite will always be at each others' throats. The belief has informed US policy for decades and will likely continue under Trump, at least for a while.

            " I just don't want any part of it. "

            You're part of it whether you want it or not.

            1. damikesc   7 months ago

              Nah.

              "Israel, we're going to take a powder. Do whatever the hell you want" would be all we would need to say to end the problems.

              1. mtrueman   7 months ago

                Trump received lots of money from zionist lobbyists, and appointed fanatical zionist politicians to key positions. In for a penny, in for a pound. I don't think he's much different from Biden or Harris in that regard, and look at the fine mess they've got us into.

                1. damikesc   7 months ago

                  Trump managed to NOT fuck up everything as Biden did, so I do not see the similarities personally.

                  And we all know the terrorists are a somewhat reliable bloc for the Dems.

                  1. mtrueman   7 months ago

                    Trump had a chance to promote peace between Palestinians and Israelis, and could have put the considerable resources of the US and a fresh face and fresh approach to good use. He didn't didn't do that. Instead, he took the easy way out, bringing about a phony peace between countries like Israel and Morocco, Countries that weren't even in conflict, with the eventual aim at an alliance between Israel, Saudi Arabia and the US, cementing American hegemony in the region for the future. It was all to be done over the heads of the Palestinians who were ignored. We see where Trump's approach has led us to, and Biden, just as delusional, has continued Trump's policies.

                    You're a partisan, though, aren't you? So I'm not sure any of this will mean much to you.

                    "And we all know the terrorists are a somewhat reliable bloc for the Dems."

                    Again, you're a partisan, so you like to repeat idiocies that you hear from others, even if you don't believe them. It's a good example of intellectual cowardice.

            2. Zeb   7 months ago

              Then you should have said "the Muslim world".

              Also: Fuck off. You have no idea what I believe.

              You're part of it whether you want it or not.

              I know. That's my complaint.

              1. mtrueman   7 months ago

                "Then you should have said "the Muslim world"

                But the Sunni/Shiite split is mostly a problem in the Arab world, isn't it? In places like Iran, Pakistan. India and Indonesia, sectarian divisions don't seem to be nearly as important as they are in the Arab areas.

                "You have no idea what I believe."

                I think I do have an idea. Your beliefs are well articulated, measured though tend to be rather conventional.

                1. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

                  “But the Sunni/Shiite split is mostly a problem in the Arab world, isn't it?”

                  Lol.

    3. Spiritus Mundi   7 months ago

      But they are idealogically opposed to the Mullahs of Iran. So they will prob seek Israel's desruction on their own terms.

      1. Marshal   7 months ago

        But they are ideologically opposed to the Mullahs of Iran.

        We've seen numerous times this doesn't matter, including in the groups we work with. From their perspective any damage to Israel Iran pays for and Hezbollah risks to achieve is damage they don't have to achieve themselves.

    4. mtrueman   7 months ago

      During the previous phase of Syria's civil war, the al Qaeda factions were supported by Turkey, US, Israel and Hamas. This set Hamas at odds with Russia, Hezbollah and Iran which supported Assad. I'm not sure if the old alliances will still hold. Oct. 7th precipitated a re-alignment and the Sunni/Shiite divide of the Arab world doesn't seem to be as relevant as it once was.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   7 months ago

        FOAD, Nazi shit.

      2. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

        Fantasy land.

        1. mtrueman   7 months ago

          No, the reality is that Iran and Saudi, once fighting each other on opposites of the Syrian civil war, are now closer together than they have been in decades. They both went to China where a deal was brokered with each establishing diplomatic ties, and the Saudis have been steadily distancing themselves from the US. It's Trump and Biden who are the fantasists ignoring the reality. You don't have to join them.

          Note: Saudi is mostly Sunni and Iran mostly Shiite.

    5. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

      Yeah, cause all the revolutions held by people shouting Allahu Akbar! have turned out so well.

    6. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

      The reason the globo-homos are celebrating this is because the war on terror seemed pointless after August 2021, now they have a new country to breed terrorists in. Yay for them.

      1. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

        Breed terrorists and drive refugees into the west.

        1. mtrueman   7 months ago

          "Breed terrorists and drive refugees into the west."

          It's the easiest way for the US to weaken Europe. That and insisting that Europeans dramatically increase military spending to fend off the, I shit you not, impending invasion of Russia.

  30. mad.casual   7 months ago

    this may have caused a screw to become loose

    Scientific and political messaging I can support.

  31. Roberta   7 months ago

    What kinds of injuries do racing greyhounds get, and how do they happen?

    1. Stupid Government Tricks   7 months ago

      Flat tires, blown head gaskets, fading brakes.

      1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   7 months ago

        You forgot world star

      2. CE   7 months ago

        I don't know, those buses can take a lot of damage:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZzNBvmM_J4

    2. shadydave   7 months ago

      They break legs all the time. Sprinting is one of the most injury filled activities out there. Human sprinters adjust by limiting their exposure to the activity as much as possible, except when necessary. We could do that for horses and dogs too, but then the animals start to become mostly unprofitable to race.

      So they sprint more often than they should and get injured. That often leads to dogs and horses (and humans in Canada) being euthanized as it is not cost effective to keep them alive and heal them.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

        What about in Haiti?

        1. TrickyVic (old school)   7 months ago

          The cats sprint faster.

      2. Roberta   7 months ago

        How is sprinting limited? Fewer races? Courses redesigned to not accommodate as many sprints per run? Or is it something in the training?

        1. shadydave   7 months ago

          Fewer races and less time sprinting during training.

          But with dogs and horses, fewer races mean less money earned through purses. So it's a battle between the safety of the animals and the financial viability of the sport.

          1. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

            Horses and greyhounds will sprint even if they weren't being raced. They simply love to run. My daughter's horse goes full gallop all the time just for the hell of it and he's not even a race horse breed (American Pony* which were developed from Appaloosas).

            *American ponies, while called a pony are technically a horse, as they can reach heights of 14-15 hands.

  32. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   7 months ago

    "California Employer Alert - New California Laws Impacting the Workforce in 2025"
    [...]
    "If you're an employer in California, it's time to start paying attention to some important new employment and labor laws that will come into play in 2025. The Golden State is known for its progressive approach to worker protections, and the latest round of laws promises to reshape how businesses manage employees, from anti-discrimination measures to workplace safety. Staying up to date will not only help you avoid penalties but also create a fairer, more inclusive workplace for all your employees. Here’s a quick summary of the key changes that could impact your business in 2025..."
    https://www.mill.law/blog/2025-employment-law-changes

    And many good reasons to move your business elsewhere.

    1. I, Woodchipper   7 months ago

      You'd have to be a bona fide masochist to open a new business in California if you can choose any other state.

      1. JohnZ   7 months ago

        Open a new business just across the border in Nevada. Things like guns, cheap cats, politically right wing T shirts, coffee mugs etc. Gas pumps would be a plus. Impeach Newsom bumper stickers.
        I almost forgot, a U Haul station.

      2. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

        Still, you could do worse. You could try to open it in Illinois.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

          Dysfunctional state socialism AND crappy weather.

  33. lwt1960   7 months ago

    Tim Urban Bro- will be studied in the future on the cultural decline of America. A real Moynihan "defining deviancy down" moment.

    Syria- sounds like what we keep hearing about what "Trump is going to do". They should worry about repatriating the millions of refugees from Europe and reintegrating them into society. Huge, multi-year project. Revenge will not improve their citizens lives or the prospects for the country's future prosperity.

    Scenes from New York- I wish Liz hadn't used the term "killed'. The jury verdict refutes that characterization. Like most people we dub heroes, Mr. Penny was just doing what he thought was right in the circumstances, like running into the burning building. The aftermath is history first as tragedy coming back as farce.

    Quick Hits- one more badge of honor for the City of Angels.

  34. JohnZ   7 months ago

    That Neely was still alive but not breathing when Penny released him and the police refused to give him mouth to mouth in fear of disease or drugs indicates that Neely was indeed a danger not only to others but to himself.
    This is another reason why mental institutions need to be reinstated so that dangerously unstable people can be kept away from the rest of society. That's all there is to it.
    Daniel Penny now has to fear for his own life as BLM has made death threats against him.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

      Yeah, anyone except a hard-core progressive can accept that people are responsible for their own actions and outcomes. Neely killed himself. He unfortunately dragged others into the process.

      We don't need mental institutions to achieve keeping dangerous nut jobs away from society. We have prisons. Again, progressive compulsive-compassionate thinking obscures harsh reality.

      1. mtrueman   7 months ago

        "We have prisons."

        So Neely should be imprisoned for killing himself? Interesting take.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   7 months ago

          You ARE a stupid shit, aren't you?

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

          No, dimwit, Neely should have been imprisoned for the crimes he committed. And he would probably still be alive.

          1. mtrueman   7 months ago

            "Neely should have been imprisoned for the crimes he committed"

            I don't have the faith in our prison system you do. We already have the world's highest rate of incarceration in the world. 6 times higher than Canada, 4 times higher than Mexico. And you want more Americans behind bars?

      2. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

        Was reading an article recently, can't remember where, that more prisons, smaller prisons, would be more effective than the large prisons we currently use, and that the data on prisons breeding criminals is far less clear than it's portrayed. That small prisons of less than 200 are also less violent, have less gangs, have less quality of life issues, and are safer for both inmates and guards. Instead of closing prisons, we should reform how we imprison people. The same with mental facilities, instead of closing them we should have reformed them.

        1. mtrueman   7 months ago

          I heard from an ex-inmate, the first thing a smart prisoner learns after incarceration is how to make methamphetamines. Reap what ye sow is what the good book tells us.

          "instead of closing them we should have reformed them."

          Reform!? Reform!? Aren't things bad enough already?
          - Lord Melbourne, PM 1831-1834

    2. Dillinger   7 months ago

      >>the police refused to give him mouth to mouth in fear of disease or drugs

      if there's a save your child from choking pump why is there no save your criminal with mouth to mouth pump?

      1. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

        There are ambu bags, but I don't know if most police officers are trained in their use. There are also one way valve masks for mouth to mouth resuscitation. The latter are fairly small enough as to be carried on a utility belt or in a cargo pocket.

        1. Dillinger   7 months ago

          thank you. should be standard if can fit on belt or in trunk.

    3. charliehall   7 months ago

      You can be convicted of murder if the person you assault dies months, or possibly even years, after the assault.

      1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

        Not this time.

      2. damikesc   7 months ago

        Likely a bit tougher to prove

        1. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

          The cases in which this has been successfully utilized generally have been far from edge cases. Examples are shooting someone and placing them in a vegetative state, which they eventually die from. Or shooting someone or stabbing them causing massive liver or kidney problems, which eventually leads to their deaths. So, yes, the bar tends to be fairly high. But it's all moot anyhow since Penny was acquitted.

  35. Longtobefree   7 months ago

    "Scenes from New York: Daniel Penny, the Marine who killed Jordan Neely."

    Daniel Penny did not kill Jordan Neely.
    1. Jordan Neely was alive when the police arrived, and was denied life saving measures by those representatives of NYC.
    2. The jury said so.

    (this is a bad Liz day)

  36. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

    NC *STILL* not letting shed-based "tiny homes" help people made homeless by Helene...

    https://www.wyff4.com/article/wnc-tiny-home-stopped/63141248

    Building codes stopping families from moving into tiny homes after Hurricane Helene

    A church in western North Carolina says state building codes are keeping them from providing housing for survivors of Hurricane Helene.

    From the outside, the tiny home looks like a great temporary housing solution for victims of Hurricane Helene. However, because of some state red tape, Randy Barton, the pastor at Anchor Baptist Church, says over 20 are sitting vacant in the mountains.

    He was excited to hand over the keys to western North Carolina families when he ran into an issue; state building regulations.

    "We've run into it in almost every county that the sheds being converted into structures and things like that. And they're not meeting code," Barton said.

    He says thousands of people are still in hotels, others in tents. He's hoping allowances will be made in this emergency.

    "Just as they suspend shelter limits and they make allowances for other things, when the temperature gets so low, what are we going to do? Are we going to house people indefinitely in hotels?" he said. "Which is safer, a tent with an open flame heater in it, and somebody rolls over a sleeping bag against it, or a shed that happens to be insulated."

    "We're now going to be forced to hire a certified engineer to come in, actually take things apart and deconstruct the house to see if it'll pass code," Barton said.

    1. Rick James   7 months ago

      He says thousands of people are still in hotels, others in tents.

      *prefers hotel over tiny shed home*

    2. Minadin   7 months ago

      Put them on a trailer base. Now, they aren't regulated by the building code. It's a camper trailer now.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

        This is probably the simplest solution, but would need to find a bunch of suitable trailers.

        1. Minadin   7 months ago

          Any port in (the aftermath of) a storm.

    3. damikesc   7 months ago

      Weird how states can find emergency powers to lock you in your home but NOT to override building codes very temporarily.

  37. Dillinger   7 months ago

    >>A Tim Urban bro:

    it makes little sense to me this joker's capacity setup was valedictorian, BS, MS, linkdin page, 3D printer gun, fake IDs , fan of Ted, manifesto ... and then he pulls a Hawaii 5-O level hit & gets captured two days later

    1. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

      Being a member of the self-appointed elites, child of a well-to-do family, ivy league graduate...he probably figured the people who would normally frequent a McDonald's in Altoona, PA would be mouth-breathing idiots who can't read let alone follow national news.

      1. Marshal   7 months ago

        It's typical of left wingers to believe not only that they are smarter than they are, but also that everyone else is dumber than they are. This is especially true of the young since their evaluations are based on the education system which reinforces this belief for political reasons.

        1. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

          See the dirt bag in Idaho for another example. Leave the knife sheath at the crime scene with your DNA on it. Probably figured that Latah County Sheriff department was ran by Andy Griffith.

  38. Dillinger   7 months ago

    >>uncertainty persists about who will now govern a country torn by more than a decade of civil war

    Turkey & Israel

    1. charliehall   7 months ago

      Could be a lot worse.

      1. Dillinger   7 months ago

        ya works for me

    2. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

      I guess the Eastern Roman Empire is out of the running and Europe probably isn't up for creating new crusader states these days.

  39. Dillinger   7 months ago

    >>Daniel Penny, the Marine who killed Jordan Neely, a homeless man who had been behaving erratically on the subway

    wow good thing you were surfing & not on the jury

  40. Dillinger   7 months ago

    >>"NASA is delaying its first moon landing in more than 50 years ... as engineers at the agency race to fix critical safety issues with the hardware

    when will the world stop marketing beta versions?

    1. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

      The first time we did it with slide rules and punch card computers. Now, with supercomputers and graphing calculators it keeps getting delayed. Wonder what that says about progress?

      1. Dillinger   7 months ago

        ^^^

  41. Rick James   7 months ago

    Assad for years used chemical weapons on his own people, whom he also tortured, killed, and disappeared.

    We're still running with this shit, after it was widely debunked? I had to go 42 links deep to find that this was in fact the case that's being referenced.

    938th link:

    The chemical attack by Syrian government forces on Eastern Ghouta ten years ago garnered international attention and raised the very real possibility of a military intervention by the United States. A year earlier, US President Barack Obama had declared the use of chemical weapons by the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad a “red line”.

    1. Rick James   7 months ago

      And how is this not the major headline of the day?

      B-52s, F-15s, and A-10s Conduct Massive Anti-ISIS Airstrikes in Syria After Fall of Assad

      Dec. 8, 2024 | By Chris Gordon
      The U.S. military conducted a punishing series of airstrikes against the Islamic State group on Dec. 8, following the sudden demise of the regime of Syrian President Bashar Al Assad.

      U.S. Air Force B-52 Stratofortress bombers, F-15E Strike Eagles, and A-10 Thunderbolt II attack aircraft conducted dozens of airstrikes against Islamic State leaders, fighters, and camps in central Syria, U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) announced. The aircraft dropped about 140 munitions on more than 75 targets belonging to the militant group, a senior administration official told reporters.

      We have someone in the administration ordering airstrikes against a sovereign country. And we know it ain't Biden because he's still having his nappypooh.

      1. Dillinger   7 months ago

        at least have Edwin Starr playing on a loop in the background

      2. charliehall   7 months ago

        Probably ordered directly by Biden.

        1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

          Jill?

        2. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

          Do you really believe this? Really? Still going with denying reality?

      3. CE   7 months ago

        Because half the Chinese navy is surrounding Taiwan?

    2. mad.casual   7 months ago

      We're still running with this shit, after it was widely debunked?

      You would think that if Assad is getting written into the history books with "used chemical weapons on his own people", Fauci and EcoHealth Alliance could at least get an asterisk or something.

  42. Dillinger   7 months ago

    >>New Zealand is banning greyhound racing.

    island too tiny to turn the buses around

  43. Rick James   7 months ago

    Neely had actually agreed to 15 months of mental health treatment following a guilty plea to a 2021 assault of a 67-year-old woman; he left the program after just a few weeks. He needed help, it was offered to him, and he did not avail himself of it.

    Reason yesterday or tomorrow: Hey man, bail is like, bullshit. 99.99999999% of everyone shows up for their court date anyway.

  44. Dillinger   7 months ago

    >>To those who may not be in a financial position to give, but still spend part of their mornings reading this:

    see if you knew mme. dillinger it would be entirely easier to portray the most comical look I would receive along with the "you gave money ... to a website ... owned by billionaires?"

  45. MWAocdoc   7 months ago

    "The suspected killer of the United Healthcare CEO, Brian Thompson, was found in a McDonald's in Pennsylvania yesterday."

    It was the same McDonald's that President Trump served hamburgers at before the election.

    1. Marshal   7 months ago

      I don't think so. That was reported as in suburban Philadelphia, while Altoona is closer to Pittsburgh.

      1. MWAocdoc   7 months ago

        Sorry, obviously sarcasm doesn't translate well into the comments section.

    2. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

      I heard they were short that day, so Trump agreed to pick up a shift, and was the one that actually made the call, and then helped the rookie police officer subdue the suspect.

  46. MWAocdoc   7 months ago

    "Jordan Neely was unarmed. He needed support and care. Instead, he received a death sentence. His family grieves while the man who took his life walks free."

    Jasmine Crockett - runner-up in this month's "Idiot of the Month" competition, but winner of the "Toting the Socialist Narrative No Matter How Idiotic it Is" contest for 2024!

  47. BLPoG   7 months ago

    >>>Israeli forces also annexed the Golan Heights, which marks "the first time Israel has captured territory in Syria since the war in 1973," per Axios, apparently assuring the Biden administration that it is a temporary move that will last only until the situation stabilizes.

    This is written in an ambiguous way that feeds into a lot of the clownish commentary on the subject. Israel captured and later annexed much of the Golan decades ago. The world-class clowns at the UN voted just last week on a resolution insisting the Israelis return the Golan to Assad-led Syria. A multi-ethnic community has been living there in stability for years, so much so that the Druze population has, in recent years, mostly shifted to Israeli over Syrian identity (Druze are known for being supportive of their countries of residence but that also entails being slow to change self-identification). The Israelis captured a small additional area (i.e. the remainder of Mt. Hermon) that they seem to intend to keep (although I don't believe they have said anything about annexation yet), as well as part of a DMZ/buffer zone that they announced as the temporary measure. They appear to intend to expand the buffer slightly beyond that in the short-term while they prepare additional defenses and take out nearby centers of materiel.

    As written, that statement is at the least ambiguous, arguably just wrong.

    1. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

      Additionally, the Syrians controlled the high ground before the Six Days War, which they kept launching repeated attacks against (which Israel would eventually defeat). They lost the Golan Heights after attacking the Israelis yet again in the Six Days War. This time Israel said fuck it, were not giving it back. Good on them. You capture a strategically important piece of ground that you have been repeatedly attacked from, and you annex it after winning yet another war against your attacker, you should keep that strategically important piece of land, it's just common sense. But then again, common sense and diplomacy/UN/NWO have very little relationship to each other.

      1. BLPoG   7 months ago

        Exactly right, I just didn't want to pile too much information on poor Liz. There's a lot of history to cover, and this is the roundup piece after all.

        Taking the rest of Mt. Hermon gives them great radar coverage, so I doubt they'll give it up.

        And I, for one, hope to go skiing there some day, which I might actually be able to do if it's under Israeli control.

  48. MWAocdoc   7 months ago

    "Mangione has been charged in Manhattan with second-degree murder, unlawful possession of a loaded firearm, and possibly a charge for possessing a suppressor."

    Socialists will conclude that killing an insurance corporation executive should not be illegal, but that ghost guns committed the murder and should be banned! It will never occur to them that whether a gun has a serial number on it to make it "traceable" is totally irrelevant until AFTER THE FACT and that only law enforcement officers care about this abstruse narrative occupying the entire field of focus of the gun banners.

    1. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

      Michigan Democrats Exempt Themselves From Capitol Gun Ban

      https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2024/12/07/michigan-democrats-exempt-themselves-from-capitol-gun-ban-n1227093

      On Thursday, the state Senate approved another gun control measure; this one a ban on firearms on the state Capitol grounds and buildings.

      The pure and principled gun control position would have been a blanket prohibition on carry for everyone (except perhaps for off-duty law enforcement officers, who routinely get a pass from groups like Everytown and Brady). Instead, the Democrats in the Senate chamber voted in lockstep to make the Capitol complex a "gun-free zone" for everyone but themselves.

      Gun laws are for little people, apparently, and legislative membership has its privileges, like being able to exercise a civil right when others face punishment ranging from a civil fine for a first offense to a felony punishable by up to four years in prison for a third offense.

      The hypocrisy is staggering, though it helps to explain why Democrats lost complete control of the legislature in last month's elections.

      1. Eeyore   7 months ago

        As soon as you let a cop carry a gun into a gun free zone it breaks the seal and causes the zone to stop working. If you want to be honest about it then cops should only be allowed clubs.

      2. See.More   7 months ago

        > Instead, the Democrats in the Senate chamber voted in lockstep to make the Capitol complex a "gun-free zone" for everyone but themselves.

        Clearly "equal protection of the laws."

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