Mass Deportations
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This is what we're doing now, I guess: At 4 a.m. on Monday night, President-elect Donald Trump responded to a post on his social media platform, Truth Social, authored by Tom Fitton, who runs the conservative group Judicial Watch. Fitton said that Trump would "declare a national emergency and will use military assets" to handle illegal immigrants "through a mass deportation program." Trump responded: "TRUE!!!"
We knew this was likely to happen. All throughout the campaign, Trump would talk up how he wants to mobilize the National Guard to assist Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) with deportations. Now, with his rather telling administration picks—Kristi Noem, who has been selected to lead the Department of Homeland Security; Stephen Miller as deputy chief of staff for policy; former ICE head Tom Homan as border czar—make clear how much he meant that.
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Of course, plenty of right-wingers have made the case that there are other means of deporting the roughly 11 million people who are in the country illegally—less egregious means. Gentler deportation. In some sense, this is true. Crackdowns on businesses who hire illegal immigrants could be part of it—which would punish the most industrious and productive newcomers. It's also possible that a mass deportation scheme would reduce demand to enter the country, thus reducing total number of entries for 2025 (and beyond). And some number of people would surely self-deport.
Why are people pretending the only way to deport people who are here illegally is to go door to door in the most intense way possible? I can think of any number of policies short of that scenario that would have an enormous impact:
- prosecuting businesses that hire illegally,…— Inez Stepman ⚪️????⚪️ (@InezFeltscher) November 11, 2024
But for right-wingers to act like this is how it will be done is magical thinking, when Trump himself has contradicted this at every juncture. Mass deportation—the show of muscle he very much wants—will be costly and brutal. Some people will cling to their homes, their jobs, their communities, and attempt to evade deportation to the greatest degree possible. State force will be required.
And it's not just that. The administration also "plans to stop issuing citizenship-affirming documents, like passports and Social Security cards, to infants born on domestic soil to undocumented migrant parents in a bid to end birthright citizenship," per The New York Times.
"In order to estimate the costs of a longer-term mass deportation operation, we calculated the cost of a program aiming to arrest, detain, process, and deport one million people per year—paralleling the more conservative proposals made by mass-deportation proponents," writes the nonprofit (and obviously pro-immigration) advocacy group American Immigration Council:
"Even assuming that 20 percent of the undocumented population would 'self-deport' under a yearslong mass-deportation regime, we estimate the ultimate cost of such a longer operation would average out to $88 billion annually, for a total cost of $967.9 billion over the course of more than a decade. This is a much higher sum than the one-time estimate, given the long-term costs of establishing and maintaining detention facilities and temporary camps to eventually be able to detain one million people at a time—costs that could not be modeled in a short-term analysis. This would require the United States to build and maintain 24 times more ICE detention capacity than currently exists. The government would also be required to establish and maintain over 1,000 new immigration courtrooms to process people at such a rate."
Trump's policy wonk sidekicks, like his veep J.D. Vance, keep sticking to their talking point that deportations will be done in a very orderly way, going with the most deserving first, i.e., criminals sitting in jails and prisons. And "a lot of people will go home if they can't work for less than minimum wage in our own country," says Vance, sticking with a palatable talking point about self-deportation. The productive, sympathetic, church-going abuelas won't be caught in the crosshairs, in other words.
Vance and Trump should get their stories straight and figure out who ought to be listened to. Any time the state is empowered to conduct mass deportations, some number of sympathetic people will be caught and sent back to their countries of origin, meeting terrible fates. If the Trump administration is OK with that, they should just say so, not obfuscate.
What does Trump's election mean for bitcoin? "The prophecy has been fulfilled: Orange Man took the Orange Pill," writes Pirate Wires' Mike Solana. Trump "won the 2024 election, and swept in the most pro-crypto Congress in history. This catalyzed the most significant crypto bull run in years." So what do the biggest names think about all this? Solana checked in with 13 of the most important people in bitcoin.
"The fundamental reality of Bitcoin in the US is forever changed," Nic Carter, a general partner at Castle Island Ventures (and soon-to-be Just Asking Questions guest), tells Solana. "The wealthiest country on the planet and the center of global capital markets is explicitly embracing Bitcoin, strategic reserve or not. The pendulum has swung violently from maximum opposition to a complete embrace."
"People forget how close we came to this industry being killed in America, and I'm proud that we stood up for our customer's rights and got organized as an industry," says Coinbase CEO Brian Armstrong. "The market is pricing in that the US will no longer be playing with one hand tied behind its back—we're not only going to catch up with the rest of the world, we're going to propel this industry forward faster than ever before."
"The price run seems to reflect the long-standing uncertainty that was just eliminated by the incoming administration," says Oculus and Anduril founder Palmer Luckey. "People don't want special treatment, they just want to know that they won't end up in prison over crypto, and Trump gives them at least that level of certainty."
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Scenes from New York: New York's transit authority approved a tweaked congestion pricing scheme for driving into Manhattan—at $9 instead of $15. "The program will charge E-ZPass motorists entering south of Manhattan's 60th Street $9 during peak hours, which is from 5 a.m. to 9 p.m. on weekdays, with E-ZPass trucks paying $14.40 during those hours," reports Bloomberg. "Vehicles without an E-ZPass would pay more. Drivers already paying tolls on the Lincoln, Holland, Queens-Midtown or Brooklyn-Battery tunnels will receive discounts during peak times to help lower the new fee.…Under the new plan, taxi passengers would pay $0.75 per trip, while customers riding in a for-hire vehicle such as Uber and Lyft would pay $1.50." (The disparity between taxis and rideshare is not because the vehicles used impose different environmental or traffic costs, mind you, but rather because the taxi union is more powerful.)
Meanwhile, "the new revenue will help update subway signals from the 1930s, make stations more accessible, pay for new electric buses and extend the Second Avenue subway to Harlem." Never mind the revenue left on the table by the fact that literally half of bus riders don't pay their fare.
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- "Ukraine has fired US-made ATACMS missiles into Russia's Bryansk region, Russia's Defense Ministry said, after the Biden administration gave Kyiv the green light to use the longer-range weapons against targets inside Russia," reports CNN.
- Earlier today, 45 pro-democracy politicians and activists who launched a primary challenge in Hong Kong's 2020 legislative elections were sentenced to prison, with some sentences as long as 10 years. "The sentences were the final step in a crackdown that cut the heart out of the city's democracy movement, turning its leaders into a generation of political prisoners," reports The New York Times. "Among them were veteran politicians, former journalists and younger activists who had called for self-determination for Hong Kong."
- "A common assumption among people who are relaxed about low fertility in the rich world is that life will remain much the same, just with a smaller population," writes Louise Perry in First Things. "We will still enjoy all of the nice things we currently enjoy—a welfare system, hospitals, sophisticated infrastructure—but there will be fewer people around, and so less pressure on all of these resources. Advocates for population decline insist that we can keep the important parts of modernity and just trim the hedonistic fat. They're wrong about that.…Modernity may be inherently self-limiting, not because of its destructive effects on the natural world, but because it eventually trips a self-destruct trigger. If modern people will not reproduce themselves, then modernity cannot last. One way or another, we're going to return to a much older way of living."
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- Kind of amazing how little the denizens of X are buying this profoundly low-IQ way of thinking about barista wages:
This sort of magical thinking of "I spin a $7 latte in a minute & I've already made my hourly wage, & the rest goes to my evil boss as profit" just shows a crippling, self-centered misunderstanding of business.
Your "evil boss" has to buy the espresso, the milk, the syrup, &… https://t.co/tLrqWVLG44
— Maw (@TheEbonyMaw) November 18, 2024
- Hits nail on the head. "Conservatives have solved for this by leaving urban areas. Liberals have solved for it by living in denial about how rampant poverty and crime really make them feel."
I love this account, have followed her for years, she's not beholden to anyone, which is rare and cool. But it's not just that people are scared, it's that they're angry that their quality of life has suffered but that it doesn't have to be that way.
Conservatives have solved… https://t.co/5qVrhZYBbm
— Anna Khachiyan (@annakhachiyan) November 15, 2024
- Wild:
NEW: In a required class for first-year medical students, UCSF praised an anti-Israel protest that shut down the Bay Bridge, delayed the delivery of donated organs, and put UCSF's own patients at risk.
If you find that hard to believe, wait till you see the other lessons.???? pic.twitter.com/dQdx882o9d
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Chase Excellence
Libertarian Party Will FORCE Republicans, Democrats to Pick Better People: LP Chair Angela McArdle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzkH7FBkLaI
- Libertarian Media
Undeterred, the LP will still pick crap that 99.6% of voters will reject.
Let's be honest. A significant portion of libertarians picked Trump over Oliver. Not to avoid being "spoiler" or whatever, but because they liked Trumps economic/social plans better. You could argue the GOP put up a more libertarian candidate than the libertarians did.
Chase would have won if he was straight and Trump was gay I've been told.
It was all about sexuality, not policy.
Chase was gay???
We didn't anyone tell us? You would think at least Sarc or Jeff would mention it.
No wonder people didn't vote for him. And I thought it was because he was about as libertarian as Cocaine Mitch.
JD Vance was wrong about Chase's gayness.
Does jeffsarc know?
The LP should abolish gay candidates.
And JD Vance?
Well, isn’t he wrong?
I disagree. The lesson the LP should (and likely will) learn here is that Chase Oliver simply wasn’t gay enough, and this is why they lost. So next time the LP must nominate someone absolutely scorchingly gay. Liberace gay, Buddy Cole gay, Andy Dick gay.
This is the bold new vision for the LP. Oh, and they need to be more pro trans youth, clearly.
A trans teenage running mate.
Now you’re getting it. Amd the fruitier the better. And maybe pre announce RuPaul for Secretary of State.
And a gay robot sidekick.
Batman and Robin for President!
"...You could argue the GOP put up a more libertarian candidate than the libertarians did..."
True in '16, '20 and '24.
Meanwhile big L picks chase.
Practice what you preach cunt!
They picked Chase despite her being against him.
To be fair, it was only 99.3% this time.
That might have been JoJo. My numbers have Chase getting only 0.415% of the vote. All others would be 99.585% which rounds to 99.6%.
Pres Trump showed up at the LP convention to make his case, and asked for their vote. He got many votes.
Chase Oliver was the epitome of the 'Unserious' candidate, and his positively shitty performance in the election just shows that.
Chase was the progatarians middle finger to the Mises Caucus.
Mass Deportations
I fully support deporting all Massholes.
But not to states with more sensible people, please.
Can we deport them to D.C.?
And Maskholes.
Save money on deportation. Put them on an iceberg in Alaska, then chip it free and watch them all float away.
Or send them to Greenland after Trump buys it.
Why do you hate Greenland?
geez can I go there first before it's all wrecked up?
If they’re such a boon to the economy, send them to Puerto Rico. I understand it can use the economic boost, and many share a common language there. And they're still in the US! WIN WIN WIN.
So set them afloat, like Scott. Because like Scott, they’re dicks.
Word.
You all still don’t understand Trump. He is negotiating by tossing out the most ridiculous offer to scare the opposition, and then ‘gives up’ ground til he gets a deal. They taught us this tactic in our negotiations course in the 70’s.
Remember he told little rocket man that his button was bigger. He assassinated Soleimini. He dropped the MOAB in Syria. Same idea.
'Fitton said that Trump would "declare a national emergency and will use military assets" to handle illegal immigrants "through a mass deportation program." Trump responded: "TRUE!!!"
'We knew this was likely to happen.'
Yes, because everything that Trump says is accurate and happens as claimed.
I don’t know why the people on fainting couches can’t figure out this rhetoric is to drive them to self deport and stop those crossing the border.
We saw a surge based on Biden’s language. This language is to deter.
When Arizona passed 1070, many illegals left for California.
To just break even on illegal immigration. 1-2M a year would need to be deported.
I don’t know why the people on fainting couches over a promise to do what every administration before George W Bush did.
“….back to their countries of origin, meeting terrible fates.”
Geez Liz, why not just come right out and call them shitholes, and not obfuscate?
This smacks of the condescending white savior, “black people are too stupid to get ID for voting” trope that comes from white liberals.
Have some faith, Liz. Do better.
A lot of Haitians say they're going back to Brazil.
"Use military assets" could be as little as using military trucks and aircraft to move immigrants back south of the border. But all Democrats can see is Seal teams kicking down doors and shooting mom and dad.
Nukes, baby. Turn the border into a radioactive wasteland that only Mad Max could cross.
That suggestion didn't work all that well for MacArthur.
Overkill. Heavy machine guns would suffice.
So acting like Clinton over Elian gonzalez?
Just bring back Janet Reno.
Remember when SNL got laughs with Will Ferrell in drag doing Reno?
Will did look better in a skirt.
Didn't Will apologize for all that in his road trip movie with his new transgender buddy?
Maybe? I wouldn't think an apology would be necessary. Unless Janet was trans.
Reno was the first trans AG.
Iirc, she did a cameo on the show during the last days of the Clinton regime.
ya when Ferrell was still funny as Bush. strategery!
Dennis the Menace
Progressive Stalwart Dennis Kucinich Sees in 2024 Vote a Rejection of Globalist Agenda and Democratic Party War Mongering.
Kucinich believes that the national election result represented a “rejection of the globalist agenda and policy of endless war that has been embraced most fervently by the Democratic Party.”
https://covertactionmagazine.com/2024/11/13/progressive-stalwart-dennis-kucinich-sees-in-2024-vote-a-rejection-of-globalist-agenda-and-democratic-party-war-mongering
Am told that Trump is about to start WW3…while Biden is still in office and trying to actually start WW3.
Just like the warnings that Trump was going to arrest and imprison his political enemies while they were actively arresting and imprisoning their political enemies.
I'm told that it's fine if the Democrats do it first. It's only bad if the Republicans reciprocate.
Sarc's warming up his 'boaf sides' in anticipation.
If Biden can manage to get WWIII to the point of just boiling over on Jan 20, the Leftists will have their "Trump Started WWIII" talking point. If Biden doesn't manage to start WWIII, and Trump is cordial with Putin and prevents WWIII, Leftists will have their "Trump is a Putin Puppet" talking point.
Win-win. Leftists never let reality stop them before.
And if another 50,000 people die in the meantime, hey, it’s just how the sausage is made.
I'll definitely take Putin Puppet over WW3.
Too bad Dennis the Menace isn't necessarily against globalism, just the WEF-style multinational corporatism. The other features of this construct--ESG wokeism and suppression of dissent against the prevailing consensus--he's fine with.
I’m not a fan of his either. But not a name in the news lately and thought it interesting to share.
Never thought I would see the day where the democrats got too weird and left for Dennis Kucinich.
I think Kucinich trashes Trump in there too but it was weird to see him calling out why the Dems took such a beating.
People who don’t use the public transit system are now expected to pay for public transit systems.
Since forever.
That’s what’s done in Pennsylvania. People who use the Turnpike pay a hell of a lot more that then gets passed onto all sorts of mass transit boondoggles due to Act 44.
'Some people will cling to their homes, their jobs, their communities, and attempt to evade deportation to the greatest degree possible.'
Like clinging to guns and religion?
Burrito clingers.
Which reminds me….
Where is that asshole “reverend” anyway? Anyone do a wellness check on Kirkland?
You got me by five seconds.
Banned
As long as all these clingers are bitter, amirite Artie? Anyone seen Artie around?
Hoping he self-immolated.
I doubt we’d be that lucky.
He was banned
And then fell into a deep depression, did the world a favor and offed himself?
How’d he manage that? Post a bunch of CP links like Pluggo?
Details please?
I think he pissed off Professor Volokh one too many times.
Let's be honest. His material was getting a little stale. You can only say Clinger replacement so many times before it gets old.
He was a smart guy.
The professor told him to volk off?
Artie is busy, furiously granting permits to the clingers allowing them to continue carrying on. Cuz that’s just the kinda guy he is.
For just a little while longer. Haha.
How many homes, jobs, and communities do people establish in four years while living on the generous benefits of a phony asylum claim?
The floodgates for illegals were only really reopened in 2001.
Fishing for Answers
Undersea data cable between two NATO countries breaks
All fiber-optic lines have been severed on the C-Lion1 cable, which connects Finland and Germany under the Baltic Sea.
- eastern news outlets
I’m thinking it could be from those two drunk fishermen that accidentally blew up the NordStream pipeline.
Plausible.
WW3 coming soon to an urban center near you .
November Ultimatum
Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree approving an updated doctrine on the use of nuclear weapons, reports Russian State Media.
I understand tranny access to kids, food trucks, JD Vance being wrong, and increasing the welfare state under the auspice of convenient libertarianism stays above the fold but reading the new directive provides insight on how much the bear has been poked (she’s no longer in a trunk). This has been bruin for a while.
Just how many threats did we expect them to bear?
Biden continues his pandaring to the nazi adjacent banderas in Kiev and the warboners in the US.
“Trump’s going to start WW3 with Russia because he killed an Iranian terrorist and called Kim Jong Un ‘rocketman!!'”
"Giving Ukraine weapons to launch strikes directly on Russia? Only cowards and Russian agents would oppose that."
Key points from the new directive.
* Deterring a potential adversary from aggression against Russia and its allies is one of the highest state priorities.
* Aggression by any state in the military coalition against Russia or its allies is considered as aggression by this coalition as a whole.
* Russia's state policy in the area of nuclear deterrence is defensive in nature.
* Aggression against Russia or its allies by a non-nuclear state with the support of a nuclear state is considered a joint attack.
* Russia reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of weapons of mass destruction against it or its allies.
* Russia views nuclear weapons as a means of deterrence, the use of which is an extreme and necessary measure.
Somebody wakeup leakin' Joe and tell him!
"Acting in defense against Russian invasion of coalition sovereign territory is 'aggession' against Russia".
this is pretty much how we treat the American continents and if i recall it was an official declaration by teh then U.S. president. so Putin is not out of line in his defense of Russia and me saying that is not teh same as promoting Putin.
Also another American president in history rounded up millions of Mexican immigrants and sent them back to Mexico. so the standard is there, i didn't say it was good but it is what it is
Meh. Who has time to worry about WW3. Look over there! RFK Jr. Wants to ban seed oils!
VVP is wrong about seed oils.
And trump is serving McDonald’s!
Hazing the new guy.
'New York's transit authority approved a tweaked congestion pricing scheme for driving into Manhattan'
What is the congestion pricing for immigrants?
We pay them.
Sounds like Soviet Manhattan.
"Hits nail on the head. "Conservatives have solved for this by leaving urban areas. Liberals have solved for it by living in denial about how rampant poverty and crime really make them feel.""
When I used to spend a lot of time in the Bay Area, I always looked at people incredulously with how they spoke about crime.
"You can't leave an empty bag in your car, or it will get broken into."
This passive, emotionless denial was hard to swallow. They don't think about the huge homeless populations living in the cracks and hollows of the city, whose own personal agency leads them to decide on a life of squalor, punctuated by crime. Instead, they have compartmentalized these two aspects. The crime is a faceless act of nature- like bears in Yellowstone ransacking unattended food, you just accepted that your car needed to be cleaned out before parking it at the strip mall.
"This car seems excessively cleaned out. Probably worth breaking into."
American conservatism just doesn’t appeal to me because I’m not scared of everything.. not scared of immigrants, crime, using public transportation, cities...
People walking out of Home Depot with a cart full of stuff they didn't pay for doesn't scare me either, but it certainly bugs the crap out of me that 1) I'm the chump for having morals and earning money to pay for things I want/need, and 2) I'm now going to be paying more for said stuff thanks to these assholes. Not to mention the time I lose waiting for someone to come unlock a cabinet, etc. I was at Auto Zone over the weekend and they couldn't loan the OBDII code reader to a customer because a group of (mostly peaceful, I'm sure) teens swarmed the place at closing and took a bunch of stuff, including the code reader. Maybe when Christin is the direct victim of a crime, she'll see things in a different light.
"There shouldn't be any private property. Hey, come back with my computer!!!"
Yeah, it's not fear but disgust. Conservatives believe they shouldn't have to put up with that shit.
they couldn’t loan the OBDII code reader
75% chance it's small EVAP leak detected.
In a more perfect world, these compassionate appeasers would have to spend the rest of their lives in the shitholes, no matter how bad things got. And they would not get any subsidies or other support from people outside.
Any time the state is empowered to conduct mass deportations, some number of sympathetic people will be caught and sent back to their countries of origin, meeting terrible fates. If the Trump administration is OK with that, they should just say so, not obfuscate.
Feature, not a bug.
If you want to be in America, then be American. If you want to rabble-rouse on your green card or work visa, don't expect to stay. It's a privilege granted by the state.
If you snuck in, then simply fuck off.
Damn straight. All rights are privileges granted by the state, including life. If these people want to live, then they better get the fuck out.
ho is advocating killing anybody?
They are free to live...anywhere else.
I didn’t say anything about killing. But if Trump and his defenders get their way, no one without government papers will be able to feed themselves. That’s the goal of cracking down on employers, isn’t it? After all, earning a living is a privilege granted by the state, not a right. Eating is a privilege granted by the state, not a right. Life is a privilege granted by the state, not a right.
And here, yet again, is sarc denying the costs, the housing, the food provided to his favored class as he pretends this shit doesn’t exist.
They all want to work and be self sufficient despite all the evidence.
Never argue from evidence. Argue from sarcs imagination.
Meanwhile he doesn't realize he believes America will collapse economically if not for a subclass of foreign immigrants. In the 1800s we had another group making these claims.
I’m not going to argue with the voices in your head. You can, but I'm not going to join in.
What amazing ideas!
I'd prefer if you argued from an evidence based intelligent point of view, but we are well past that.
It doesn’t matter what I argue when you ignore what I say and instead respond to the voices in your head. So go ahead and keep doing that. I won't get in the way.
"That’s the goal of cracking down on employers, isn’t it? After all, earning a living is a privilege granted by the state, not a right. Eating is a privilege granted by the state, not a right. Life is a privilege granted by the state, not a right."
It doesn't matter what you argue, because you never argue from evidence. Be a man, put up or fuck off.
Do I need to repeat myself? If you had an evidence based intelligent argument you would get a lot less shit here.
Who is taking the Trump victory worse? Jeff or sarc?
Light years past that. Time to discuss exporting Sarc to Canada so he can take advantage of their robust taxpayer funded euthanasia. I’m sure ML will sponsor him.
"I’m not going to argue with the voices in your head.
You literally said that in the post he responded to.
A few days ago you weren't a cunt for about five minutes. I wonder if you can do it again.
Are these the “ideas” you talk about, Sarc?
Why do you cry so much when people point out the idiocy of what you say? Have you tried not saying idiotic things instead?
Grow up, shithead. Your not even paying attention to the stuff you post five minutes earlier.
Ideas™ !
It was the first time you said something thoughtful instead of an attack based upon lies. You really weren't yourself. To be honest I was kind of worried. Glad to see you're back to your mendacious self.
Five minutes? You’re not capable of uncunting for even one minute.
Sarc is a wonderful example of the open borders crowd. His poem advocacy is a great example for the public. Sure to attract lots more people to the open borders cause.
Because, clearly the electorate voted for more open borders.
So you think these folks should be used as off the books (read: slave) labor? Look, borders exist whether you like it or not. And part of a government’s job is to monitor who comes in through those same borders. If you go to New Brunswick or Quebec, you undoubtedly go through customs there and back. Why should you have to present a passport (or enhanced driver’s license) and they can waltz on through?
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If these people want to live, then they better get the fuck out.
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I didn’t say anything about killing
15 minutes apart.
His alcoholics memory seems to be about 7 minutes.
He has this post "muted", so he doesn't have to respond to it.
Life in America is granted by the state. Where in the fuck have you been?
You seem to have more compassion for the criminals who crept in than for your fellow citizens who fund the criminals' lifestyle.
Most of these "criminals" (I put that in quotes because unless they've harmed the life, liberty or property of another person through force or fraud, as opposed to not having proper government papers, I have a hard time calling them criminals) have a better work ethic than most fellow citizens.
Where’s your evidence the illegal aliens have a better work ethic than legal immigrants or the native born? I keep seeing this from people, but never any evidence put forth to back up the claim.
There is no evidence. Just the racial beliefs in sarcs head.
Reinforced by Pedo Jeffy. Who is just doing all of this for the kids.
Is taking a harm in your world view? You scream about the cost of tariffs, but pretend the costs of illegal immigration (larger) doesn't exist. Do you see why people call you a hypocrite?
Cite?
Yet you think Trump is a fraudster because he misrepresented something on paperwork. Something no one paid attention to or cared. But someone violates laws you don't agree with and you don't care.
""have a better work ethic than most fellow citizens.""
Then why did NY spend 6 Billion of taxpayer money on them?
Yet you think Trump is a fraudster because he misrepresented something on paperwork.
There you go, telling me what I think again. You’re wrong as always.
But someone violates laws you don’t agree with and you don’t care.
Project much? It’s your camp who insists that the law is sacred and cannot be questioned when it comes to immigrants, Hunter, or anyone else who you hate, but when it comes to Trump and his disciples it’s nothing but excuses. Principle shminciples.
Then why did NY spend 6 Billion of taxpayer money on them?
Those are asylum seekers who should be waiting in Mexico for news of their court date, not immigrants seeking work.
Those are asylum seekers who should be waiting in Mexico for news of their court date,
So should we ship them there or not?
""It’s your camp who insists that the law is sacred and cannot be questioned when it comes to immigrants,""
Wrong, laws can be changed. but the law not being where you want it to be is not an excuse for people breaking the law.
""Those are asylum seekers who should be waiting in Mexico for news of their court date, not immigrants seeking work."'
So you support deporting them back to Mexico? What about people who are in the US and skipped their court date? Should we look for them and/or deport when we find?
Wrong, laws can be changed.
I’ve never seen Trump or his defenders suggest any changes to immigration law. Ever. All I hear about is mass deportation, expanded police powers, and military at the border.
but the law not being where you want it to be is not an excuse for people breaking the law.
I think it’s the duty of the people to flout unjust laws. That's how they get changed.
So you support deporting them back to Mexico? What about people who are in the US and skipped their court date? Should we look for them and/or deport when we find?
I think people who want to work should be allowed to work. The ones who have jobs should be able to stay. The bums, not so much.
Lol. The increased worker visas your team killed under W gets brought up here all the time shit head. Stopping visa lottery and make it job/skills based gets brought up all the time shit head.
You just lie and create strawman arguments because your argument is so weak.
Wow dude. You argue against a strawman and say that pushing back against your strawman is making a strawman. Do you own stock in overalls or something?
""I think it’s the duty of the people to flout unjust laws. That’s how they get changed.""
No, that's how you go to jail. Advocacy is how you change laws.
""The ones who have jobs should be able to stay. The bums, not so much.""
When it comes to flouting an unjust law, why is someone who has a job differ than someone who does not? They both broke the same law.
Five seconds after the welfare state is over and done with, I'll happily shake the hand of every illegal alien you want to import.
In the meantime, I see zero reason why I should support importing poverty that you expect me to pay for, on top of the native poverty I'm already being forced to pay for.
If, in the meantime, that means someone needs to show proof of citizenship or eligibility to work (green card) when they apply for a job, it hardly seems like an overwhelming burden.
People who want to work should be able to come here and work. Contrary to the constant lies from Jesse, I don’t support people coming here and immediately going on assistance. Unfortunately though, the current system discourages work and encourages welfare. The solution to this isn’t mass deportation and posting troops on the border. The solution is to change the incentives.
Except when I point out actual examples of groups that have that benefit, to work within 30 days of coming here, you run away when the actual costs are presented.
We have a literal group of immigrants that fall under your proposed system. That system has a high cost. You ignore this while promoting a failed system. Because you are incapable of understanding the issue.
I'm willing for probably 10th time to give you a link to those costs if you're willing to learn.
Your proposed system is a failed system.
Why don’t you try again but instead of responding to the voices in your head, respond to what I actually wrote. I don't think you can.
Dude, he’s been responding to what you actually write for a long time. The rest of us (other than your buddies Jeffy and White Mike) do likewise. Perhaps you should do so self reflection.
You are amazingly ignorant of even what you say let alone a complex subject.
Refugees are granted work permits within 30 days. Want the costs to taxpayers? Will you learn?
My guess is by tomorrow you'll post the same bullshit pablum despite evidence against your system working.
I explicitly said that I want the current laws changed so as to change incentives, and you attack me saying that "my system" has been tried and doesn't work? That's the very definition of a strawman.
My guess is by tomorrow you’ll post the same bullshit pablum despite evidence against your system working.
I can say with 100% certainty that tomorrow you'll deliberately misrepresent what I've said and argue against those voices in your head, all the while claiming I truly believe the opposite of what I actually write.
100% certainty.
Call me after you change the welfare system. If you haven't dismantled it completely, let me know when you've made it 99.999% impervious to use by illegal aliens. P.S. I don't want to pay for their non-citizen children's schools either. American taxpayers do NOT--despite what some profess--owe an American middle-class lifestyle to any and all comers.
Welfare isn't going away, and neither is state-funded compulsory education. That's an impossible bar. I'm trying to work within the bounds of reality.
If that’s the case, then you cannot have unfettered immigration.
Sarc finally admits he wants open borders into a welfare state. Fuck taxpayers.
Bookmarked for when you lie and scream cut spending.
Here's another of Jesse's bookmarked comments that will never be accompanied by a link, because the full context would show him to be a liar.
"change the incentives"
So first, let's stop putting them up in hotels, feeding them 3 squares a day (which they complain about), handing them cell phones, giving them rent money, gift cards, ...
Then let's stop the incentives of a welfare state.
Also let's stop the incentive of being allowed (by willful and conscious inaction on the government's part) to skirt employment laws, working for less than minimum wage, working for cash (not paying taxes), not following OSHA laws, etc. Let's set aside the discussion as whether we should have some of these laws for the moment, and agree that if I, as a citizen, broke those laws, I would surely be punished for doing so. So I'm only asking either for the laws to be abolished or to be enforced across the board.
So first, let’s stop putting them up in hotels, feeding them 3 squares a day (which they complain about), handing them cell phones, giving them rent money, gift cards, …
There you go!
Also let’s stop the incentive of being allowed (by willful and conscious inaction on the government’s part) to skirt employment laws, working for less than minimum wage, working for cash (not paying taxes), not following OSHA laws, etc.
You mean let them work legally? Shit, that’s what I’ve been saying all along.
So I’m only asking either for the laws to be abolished or to be enforced across the board.
I generally support removing impediments to someone providing for themselves. To me it's morally repugnant for someone to have to ask permission and obey orders from government before they can put food on the table.
“You mean let them work legally? Shit, that’s what I’ve been saying all along.”
No, they cannot currently work legally. It’s only because government turns a blind eye to the laws it enacted concerning employer/employee interactions, which includes “illegal aliens are not permitted to work” plus all those other things. The perverse incentive at the moment is to allow them to work AND to work for below minimum wage, without overtime, etc. I recommended enforcing those laws even on illegal aliens (and on top of the penalties for hiring illegal aliens in the first place).
With ZERO potential jobs and ZERO potential welfare state assistance, there would be a lot less incentive to come here illegally.
But the first best step is to stop giving them free shit.
But the first best step is to stop giving them free shit.
The first step is to let them work legally. Would you rather earn a living or be a charity case? Earn a living? Then why do you assume that all non-white people who talk funny have no pride or desire to provide for themselves?
Then why do you assume that all non-white people who talk funny have no pride or desire to provide for themselves?
More causal assumptions of racism, something sarc claims he doesn't believe.
sarcasmic 2 hours ago
People who want to work should be able to come here and work. Contrary to the constant lies from Jesse, I don’t support people coming here and immediately going on assistance.
Note the language parsing. He claims to not "support" this. But it is still the outcome of what he does support which is a state unable to remove anyone. His claim people lie about what he believes is based on this parsing. In other words he's misrepresenting both his beliefs and others' criticism of him.
Seems that way. “Welfare isn’t going away, and neither is state-funded compulsory education.”
He seems to be saying that since these things can never happen, we should just go ahead an open the borders, even though it 100% means that some will go right onto welfare.
I’ll repeat: I see no reason to import poverty. We have plenty of that already in the native-born population.
He says that's not his intention, but the rest of the words don't align with that assertion.
So you ignored what I said and inserted your imagination instead.
I don’t support people coming here and immediately going on assistance. Unfortunately though, the current system discourages work and encourages welfare. The solution to this isn’t mass deportation and posting troops on the border. The solution is to change the incentives.
What part of that says I want people going on welfare?
I didn’t ignore what you said. Inf fact, I said you said you didn’t agree with the proposition. But the rest of your words do not align with that statement. As I said.
“What part of that says I want people going on welfare?”
The fact that you acknowledge that welfare is not going away, but you still want open borders.
A welfare state AND open borders means that you have created incentives for people to come here just to get on the welfare rolls–it may well be many times a better life that what they had in their shithole home countries.
Please pay close attention to the words here: That appears to be your position, despite what you say. You say you’re not for people coming here and getting on welfare, but your repeated support for the open border despite the welfare state belies that assertion. It’s as if you care far far more about people being allowed to come here even if they immediately and forever go on the suck at the welfare tit than you do about actually solving or actually acknowledging any of the problems.
I’m perfectly happy to let anyone and everyone in (almost, I’d prefer to keep known murderers, rapists, and pedophiles out), and let them legally work, but I will fight that position tooth and nail the second you expect me to pay for their welfare or allow them to operate under laxer rules and laws.
I’ve said a million times that people who want to come here and work should be allowed to come here and work.
How you deduce from that I want people to come here and immediately go on permanent welfare is beyond my understanding.
Only thing I can conclude is that you're ignoring what I say and substituting some other thing you want to argue with instead.
It’s as if you care far far more about people being allowed to come here even if they immediately and forever go on the suck at the welfare tit than you do about actually solving or actually acknowledging any of the problems.
That is your imagination talking, not me. Your imagination and the voices in Jesse’s head should get together and compare notes. They’d have a grand time. Lots in common. None of it true or accurate. Not that either of you care.
“People who want to work should be able to come here and work”
Why? What constitutional duty does the American government, and the citizens of the US have to the foreigner?
“If these people who want to live, then they better get the fuck out.”
Not sure how this is not described as killing them if they do not leave, personally.
Too bad, sarc. Shoulda settled for some reasonable limitations when you had the chance, but virtue signaling was just too important for you.
Now we’re gonna do it our way. “Sit down and shut up” as one former president with a pen and a phone said not too long ago.
Haha.
“ho is advocating killing anybody?”
If you trespass at the Capital, sarc is.
Square in the face, if you’re an unarmed woman.
Blind shooting Capitol officers are sarcs only approved officers.
Mike Laursen indicated she was shot in the shoulder/upper chest. Mike is an expert at taking a load in the face so I am apt to believe him here.
So is that why he changed his name to Dicksalad?
I sometimes think half the commenters here are Reason staff trying to generate discussions with strawmen talking points.
Damn straight. All rights are privileges granted by the state, including life. If these people want to live, then they better get the fuck out.
But don’t dare claim they support open borders!
But libertarian means I can be anywhere and take anything I want, right?
Libertarians actually believe that landlords own their property, that employers own their property, and that vendors own their property. So if someone is in the country without papers, but all of the above people don't mind, then they're not doing anything wrong.
Libertarians don't understand that because government is us, the people, that it owns everything. Government owns the property where people live, government owns the employers, and government owns all the stores. Stupid libertarians don't understand that because of this, government permission is required for everything. People without government permission are trespassing when they eat, sleep, work, shit or shop because everything comes from the government. Fucking libertarians.
Except that these folks in the country without documentation are taken advantage of and used for what is effectively slave labor. Don’t you think that’s dehumanizing, Sarc?
Only Trump calling criminals vermin is dehumanizing.
what is effectively slave labor.
Yup, just like the barista in the other story. Workers deserve to be paid a living wage from these greedy corporations who steal all the profits for themselves.
/sarc
Except the landlords housing them and the employers hiring them are causing direct harm to ACTUAL citizens.
Again, I know slavery is WAY easier than hiring employees...does not make it right.
Except the landlords housing them and the employers hiring them are causing direct harm to ACTUAL citizens.
How?
Again, I know slavery is WAY easier than hiring employees…does not make it right.
Slavery?
Do you know the origin of the minimum wage? Uppity blacks were moving north and causing actual harm to white people by working for lower wages and renting places to live in the cities. White people didn't like that. Especially unionized white people. So they set a price floor on labor that was more than what employers were willing to pay, but less than prevailing union wages. And it worked. People starved to death because they couldn't find work.
Edit: So they set a price floor on labor that was more than what employers were willing to pay blacks, but less than prevailing union wages.
And there's there's racism.
Also denial of welfare benefits, rise in crime, cost increases to housing and other goods, etc.
You literally ignore anything anyone says that doesn’t fit your narrative and show up here every day saying the same ignorant shit.
Educating himself is not saecs super power.
Bumper sticker beliefs is his super power.
Sarc doesn’t learn lessons. Hence 49+ years of severe alcoholism.
Direct harm? How so?
And slavery seems way harder than hiring, especially if you are paying cash. Slaves you have to feed and house and keep from escaping.
Do you think adding millions of people might have a negative impact on housing prices?
Do you think adding millions crowds out Americans in "low-skilled labor"? Rest assured, finding Americans willing to do construction is not remotely difficult.
Sure, but those are indirect harms.
The landlords aren't paying all the costs retard. You're in denial.
So, libertarians must denounce the concept of nations? And of all communities?
That's what marxist.org says. Sarc is too dumb to understand he is repeating the Marxist narratives.
The narrative that ignores all costs and NAP violations for his favored underclass.
Nobody said that. Nations and communities are jurisdictions with different laws. What is legal here might be illegal there, and vice versa. Libertarians object to the idea that basic rights, like the right to earn a living and not starve, come from government.
Dude, crossing the border without even so much as checking in with customs is illegal. I dare you to try to just walk across the border into New Brunswick from Maine without stopping at customs.
I think our borders are only supposed to work one-way. Canada and Mexico are free to enforce their borders and their laws--they're sovereign nations after all--but we have to maintain open borders über alles.
Yes, the Mexican government displays this attitude. And are extremely arrogant about it.
OK, then can nations deport people who do not follow their laws?
(sarcrickets)
I don't care in those situations either. I do mind when those people end up not actually doing their jobs, and use the welfare system, demand that I provide bilingual schools to their offspring, demand that government services be offered in 87 languages, use medical services that they then don't pay for... Or when they are NOT the sort of people you described and are instead predatory criminals.
We learned back in 2020 that's it's okay to shoot trespassers--even unarmed trespassers--in the face if they jump over fences or broke through barriers, so long as you fear for your life.
Is it OK if landowners along the border shoot people they see climbing over their fences, if they are afraid for their safety or the safety of others?
A Babbitt corollary needs to be added to Godwin's Law.
You invoking Godwin is pretty fucking rich.
Maybe if you hadn’t celebrated and mocked “Saint Babbit’s” death repeatedly we wouldn’t throw it back in your face when you’re being a fucking hypocrite.
So it's NOT okay to shoot trespassers in the face?
Godwin’s Law: “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.”
Should be a corollary that says something like “As an online discussion with one of Trump’s Deranged Supporters involving trespassing or the police grows longer, the probability of the functionally retarded Trump defender (but I repeat myself) bringing up Saint Babbitt approaches 1.”
Damn, you really have gone into lala land.
How many times do you compare Trump to Hitler again? Rules for thee but not for me yells sarc.
So can we or can we not shoot trespassers in the face?
Maybe you can explain their terrible fates. Are you saying their home countries are shithole countries?
sarcasmic...I would change your response to: Enforcement, not inaction.
Big difference.
And an equal number of migrants will be deported before they meet some terrible fate in the US.
'Earlier today, 45 pro-democracy politicians and activists who launched a primary challenge in Hong Kong's 2020 legislative elections were sentenced to prison, with some sentences as long as 10 years. "The sentences were the final step in a crackdown that cut the heart out of the city's democracy movement, turning its leaders into a generation of political prisoners," reports The New York Times. "Among them were veteran politicians, former journalists and younger activists who had called for self-determination for Hong Kong."'
Is that the same New York Times that keeps calling for stronger clamp-downs on people who demand free speech and challenge the regime?
Yes. NYT demanded longer sentences for J6ers.
What Liz also had to say:
https://x.com/lizwolfereason/status/1858858884984607078?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA
This is what real dehumanization looks like, not the crap jeffsarc refer to as “dehumanization”.
US progressives approve.
Any time the state is empowered to conduct mass deportations, some number of sympathetic people will be caught and sent back to their countries of origin, meeting terrible fates.
"Any time the state is empowered to collect mass taxes, some number of sympathetic people will be caught and fined, meeting terrible fates."
Is there any crime you can't fit into this template to justify not enforcing the law? Congrats Liz, you've just justified living in The Purge 24x7x365.
Why do some scream mass deportation but never mass importations? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Post3d yesterday but even NYT is finally admitting to the costs. Cato and reason still don't.
1.5M with final deportation. 1M criminals in violation of temporary visas. Welfare spending. Etc etc.
Have you ever noticed that nobody actually argues in favor of the things you argue against? Doesn't matter because the voices in your head say they do? Oh, ok then.
Lol. Is this your new thing? Deny reality at every step?
You and Jeff, for instance, have both argued that mass immigration is a net benefit. So has reason. So has cato. Never with evidence. Relying on models that assume a benefit to prove the benefit.
Now you deny you never make those arguments. How weak is your argument you have to now deny making the argument.
Meanwhile you continue to attack people using real data to show the negative costs.
This is amazing. Lol.
If the voices in your head say that everyone you hate (Cato, Reason, MSM, libertarians, leftists, Democrats anyone who didn’t vote for Trump or didn't vote at all, damn you hate a lot of people) claim that immigration has no costs whatsoever, who am I to argue?
Who said he hates them? You’re the one who seems to be deranged by irrational hate.
Yeah. Complete denial of reality. This is truly amazing. Lol.
How weak is your side of the argument that you now deny that side exists?
Just curious. Are the voices in your head telling you to use the phrase "voices in your head" today? Or is this just everyday projection?
It’s his new claim to deny his past statement. Mixes it in with calling it lies.
In reality he is to ignorant to the actual issue to make a cogent point so he gets mad when holes are poked into his facial arguments.
He is about 10 min away from screaming xenophobia or racist.
When he tells me what I think and then argues against it, and calls me a liar when I tell him he’s wrong, he’s not arguing with me. He’s arguing with the voices in his head.
Just out of curiosity, why do you constantly defend him?
Calling you out for not being honest isn’t defending anyone, Sarc.
When did you stop beating your wife?
A simple way to show I'm wrong would be to create an intelligent and evidenced argument of your views.
Try it.
I don’t need to provide evidence to show you you’re wrong when I contradict what the voices in your head tell you what I think and believe.
Such binary thinking
Ideas™ !
Bullshit.
It is amazing your lack of shame. Lol.
Thank you!
So nobody has been flying in thousands of immigrants? Where is the demand to stop this?
Only racists are opposed to infrastructure collapse.
I am not buying bitcoin from a guy who has filed for bankruptcy six times.
Guess what? That’s not how it works.
I buy all my crypto from this cute Asian girl that reached out to me on social media. Her day job is a fashion designer.
She called me once, her voice was familiar. I think she does the voice acting for all those tic-tok videos.
You guys talking marriage yet?
I sent her money for plane tickets but she said she is having issues with the travel visa. A few hundred more dollars will help her pay for the expedited processing.
Your going to bring her mother over as well, right?
Found Eric Swalwells sock.
I think this says more about you and your understanding about crypto than it does about Orange Man. Keep it up, boomer!
I enough to keep my distance from the next Sam Bankman-Fried,
Keep using dollars issued by a government $34 trillion in debt.
What percentage of his businesses is that?
Truth Media ownership group is in talks to purchase Bakkt a crypto firm and he has promoted his sons' World Liberty Financial token. No idea though what his stakes are in those and what they represent as a whole of his business income.
But given his prior business failings and crypto's lacking any real value and the numerous criminal thefts in crypto; I won't be sinking any of my money into his or any other crypto ventures.
Now time to play the stocks on Wall Street.
I actually LOLd at how stupid of a take this was.
MSNBC watching boomer detected
He's not selling bitcoin like the limited edition gold coins they hawk in your Reader's Digest, grandpa.
What about the Trump HO scale train set I saw in my local newspaper. I sure one day it will be as valuable as bitcoin.
Nah, I think either the ugly ass gold shoes or the Trump bibles will have more collector power than a train set; although, I suppose an interest in train sets plays into a chunk of the demographic that votes for Trump.
You are a stupid old lady. You aren’t buying shit.
'Advocates for population decline insist that we can keep the important parts of modernity and just trim the hedonistic fat. They're wrong about that.…Modernity may be inherently self-limiting, not because of its destructive effects on the natural world, but because it eventually trips a self-destruct trigger. If modern people will not reproduce themselves, then modernity cannot last. One way or another, we're going to return to a much older way of living."'
WTF? I seem to remember that in olden times, any cushy life enjoyed by the elite required hordes of peasants in support roles. Have these people not heard of machines?
Back in the old days, people with crazy ideas could only bother a few people on the street with their sandwich boards and shouting. Today they pollute the internet with their insanity.
I miss mattress girl.
Maybe she'll run again in 2028.
I don’t think she ever ran except from reality and her own conscious choices.
Modernity is apparently a Ponzi scheme
Our Idiocracy-like future will not be lucky enough to have an Army experiment open up to save it.
There is a movement to ban energy. I'm sure the endgame is a return to slavery.
Would you settle for feudalism?
The fundamental reality of Bitcoin in the US is forever changed
For some reason it wasn't mentioned in the article. BTC has gone from ~$70k on election night to ~$90k today.
So we've seen shrike and others here continue to hound on the Gaetz minor claims. Without ant investigations. Accusations as proof. The claims are less credible than Catrol or Ford. A look into the accuser finds a convict who had made similar claims against others and tried extorting people through these claims.
https://thefederalist.com/2024/11/17/house-probe-into-matt-gaetz-relies-on-witnesses-doj-found-lacked-credibility/
The report comes years after DOJ dropped its investigation into the same claims on the grounds that the two central witnesses had serious credibility issues. Yet these are the same two central witnesses the House Ethics Committee has relied on for its critical report of Gaetz—the same report it is leaking to compliant reporters as part of a coordinated effort to thwart his nomination as President-elect Donald Trump’s next attorney general.
The claims arose from Joel Greenberg, “one of the most corrupt Florida politicians of all time,” according to Florida reporter Marc Caputo, who is now with the anti-Trump media outlet The Bulwark.
Among many things the former Seminole County tax collector admitted to as part of a wide-ranging case for which he is currently serving 11 years in prison was falsely accusing local political opponent Brian Beute of having sex with a minor, similar to the outlandish claim he made against Gaetz. Greenberg also reportedly later attempted to frame his own attorney with pornographic images of children. One New York Times writeup of Greenberg was headlined, “Like the Tiger King Got Elected Tax Collector.“
Believe all prisoners.
Not when they make claims against Democrats.
Good thing legal and moral standards are lower in the press (and the activist DOJ).
Turd wouldn’t lie now, would he?
It is telling that you wingnut idiots demanded a full House investigation into a private citizens laptop
and then
won't release a House investigation done pertaining to probable crimes committed by a House member/Attorney General nominee.
So probable the DoJ under Garland dropped the investigation?
The laptop that showed many crimes and the DoJ refused to act?
Evidence vs false evidence free accusations?
The laptop that showed many crimes
Since when are dick pics "crimes"?
And don't try that bar tab 10% bullshit.
Some of the photos on the laptop are the same as you’re guilty of, Turd. Say, how did you manage to get your original account permabanned?
Lol. Amazing.
Is hunter liable for the same crimes you advocated to be used against republicans? FARA. Money laundering. Etc?
That the “bar tab” would be 10% of billion dollar energy company deals is still the dumbest talking point I think I’ve ever heard, yet you keep repeating it.
You really did get fired by your handlers, didn’t you pedo?
I'm positive he did. Jeffy's the only actual fifty-center here now. Open Society gave Buttplug the boot for stupid posts like the above.
You’re excluding the editors, correct?
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Nobody buys your bullshit, pedo.
We call this the Title IX Method: previous lies are evidence the current assertions are true.
Who cares if he did it or not? What’s that have to do with his potential role as AG?
This is like caring about Hunter Biden's drugs and guns problems. That's not why Biden was a bad president.
ABC news led with this last night. All hearsay but they spoke with truth and authority. Totally disgusting.
'Kind of amazing how little the denizens of X are buying this profoundly low-IQ way of thinking about barista wages'
Not really. To see "amazing" look in all the leftist rags--and academic departments--who endorse woke "economics".
Turns out that commies are retarded about economics? Who would have guessed?
You’d think if it was that easy of a money spinner, these dipwads would be getting a small business loan to start up an AWFL version of immigrant food trucks, so they wouldn’t have to continue working for The Man anymore. There isn’t shit to putting together what they create save for the equipment and supplies, and they can even bake their own fucking cookies and muffins.
I’m being completely serious here. Look how many people buy coffee in the morning, and sometimes twice a day, instead of saving hundreds of dollars to make it at home or work. It should be the easiest thing to play to urban lefty trend chasing by starting up coffee trucks everywhere like fucking hot dog stands.
You should all be ashamed for mocking Jeff over bears in trunks.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/bear-attack-insurance-scam-rolls-royce-police-b1194168.html
Trunk bear hoax crimes prove him right.
That was worth unmuting you.
No widespread bears in trunks.
Millennial bears pounce!
Furry crime.
Biden-Harris
Hiden Barris in the trunk.
Yes, but *AS A GROUP* illegal trunk bears are no more dangerous than native tire irons.
"Wild"
Former Reason writer Kerry Howley thinks far-left identity-obsessed dogma taking over education is actually no big deal:
what is the point of continuing to raise the salience of this fringe nonsense ? Who cares ?
Shall I add her to the list of Koch-funded-libertarians-turned-garden-variety-progressives? Why is that such a common career path?
Cuz rebels tire of eating ramen, and can only take so much FOMO?
'Hits nail on the head. "Conservatives have solved for this by leaving urban areas. Liberals have solved for it by living in denial about how rampant poverty and crime really make them feel."'
Call it Neo-Stockholm syndrome. Or maybe Caracas syndrome.
RE UCSF med school propaganda: just a reminder that progressives have yet to reach peak retard.
You think they've hit rock bottom, but they manage to keep digging.
No rock is too hard to get through for the atomic levels of retardation present in today's Leftist.
Earlier today, 45 pro-democracy politicians and activists who launched a primary challenge in Hong Kong's 2020 legislative elections were sentenced to prison, with some sentences as long as 10 years. "The sentences were the final step in a crackdown that cut the heart out of the city's democracy movement, turning its leaders into a generation of political prisoners," reports The New York Times. "Among them were veteran politicians, former journalists and younger activists who had called for self-determination for Hong Kong."
Sounds familiar.
"Kind of amazing how little the denizens of X are buying this profoundly low-IQ way of thinking about barista wages:"
Somehow, the take is completely predicatable due to the "western capitalism bad" education these kids get, as well as the picture of the person saying it.
Not a single surprise to be found
I, pencil. should be required reading.
Knowing about where things come from (and reading) are racist.
Its hilarious how poorly their collective co-ops tend to go when they try out their communist shit on a small scale. There was this famous one in portland (ill do some digging) that was based on some turbo-woke shit, supposed to completely be run as a co-op, everyone is an owner and equal partner, equal money for everyone etc.
Immediately devolved into in-fighting over who was working harder vs free-loading, people feeling they were not getting a fair deal compared to the other guy, they couldn't turn any sort of profit due to poor management of the shop and ridiculous overhead from unproductive workers, and crashed and burned almost immediately.
forget it jake, it's portland-town
If you could actually run a successful business that way, why wouldn't everyone? And what's stopping everyone? They really don't seem to understand how anything works.
There was also that coffee shop, I think in Toronto, that was run as a "pay what you feel like" commie enterprise, and of course the whole thing collapsed in short order after the novelty from the media exposure died.
picture of the person saying it
Like pajama boy, needs a frame: This is what a failed human being looks like.
"Liberals have solved for it by living in denial about how rampant poverty and crime really make them feel."
They say a conservative is a former liberal who got mugged by reality. Seems like more of them need to get *actually* mugged in reality, and maybe they will change their tune.
Ezra Kleins far left ass putting these points out there recently means some people might be waking up. Ana Kasparian sounds borderline MAGA after being actually mugged
They get their cars broken into, they don't care, they just file insurance claims and let the rich insurance companies pay for it. They then with zero sense of irony complain about the huge car insurance premiums they have to pay.
There's no irony involved because they cannot fathom a reality in which they two events are connected.
They need to be physically assaulted for it to stick. Getting your car broken into while shitty, isnt going to get it done. You have to fear for your life due to the decisions youve made, before reconsidering them. Random property damage that can be written off to insurance aint gonna cut it, especially for people with money.
getting your car broken into while shitty, isnt going to get it done.
That’s not entirely true. One break-in isn’t going to do anything. But the vast increase in the cost of living because of the Dem economic program is doing quite a bit. That COL is due to these and other decisions made by left wing governments. When you don’t stop the break ins everyone’s insurance rates go up. Prices in city stores and restaurants go up to cover the thefts, meanwhile selection decreases as some businesses close.
In places like California all their decisions are stacking so people are seeing the true financial impact of their program and they’re not liking it much. It just took us decades longer to get here and will take decades longer to fix.
Yeah, one instance every once in a while isn't a big deal. It's when it's scaled up in correlation to the population of a massive metropolis that it becomes systemic and biological.
It's why Rudy's "broken windows" policing in NYC was seen as draconian until it resulted in a massive economic renaissance, because people weren't nervous about getting robbed all the time. That shit sucks no matter how much one might pine for the "gritty" days of New York. Same reason Bukele throwing about 2.5% of the population of El Salvador in prison turned it from one of the most dangerous countries in Latin America to one of the safest, practically overnight.
The people saying these "come with the territory" have either been numbed to it as the price to pay to live in DA BIG CITY, or live in suburban whiteopia where it's rare to begin with. Eventually, things get bad enough that the population doesn't have a problem with Dad pulling the paddle out and getting to work.
Crackdowns on businesses who hire illegal immigrants could be part of it—which would punish the most industrious and productive
newcomers.criminalsNot only are they here illegally, they are working without a visa, on a stolen identity, and without paying income tax. But you don't need raids. Send an IRS agent to count the illegals and fine them $1 million a head.
Good news everyone!
We supposedly recently hired 87,00 new IRS agents!
Am I the only one who heard that in the voice of Professor Farnsworth?
Dr Zoidberg approves.
That was my intention.
Didn't that guy invent the Smell-O-Scope?
But for right-wingers to act like this is how it will be done is magical thinking, when Trump himself has contradicted this at every juncture.
Yes, Liz. WE knew it. And the evidence rolled in when we saw the toadies and bootlickers Donnie has nominated to his cabinet to eventually roll out the US military to deploy against persons (citizens and non-citizens) here.
But the Peanuts all denied it.
The generals know Donnie is a fascist and said so. But the cult wants blood.
So tired.
Still lying in your username? Then you still get the Sevo copypasta treatment.
Buttplug's favorite source Wikipedia proves his username is a lie.
8 stated motives for 9 / 11.
3 inferred motives for 9 / 11.
Zero out of eleven overlap with the 1 / 6 goofballs.
Do you ever tire of lying your ass off, Turd?
Where is the lie?
Donnie just said yesterday he intends to use the US military to round-up and deport people living here.
#PureFascism
The other day I gave you some RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! to cut and paste. Here you go today:
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The generals know Donnie is a fascist and said so. But the cult wants blood.
Shall I start with this little gem, Turd?
turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
turd, the ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Huh, all of a sudden the DoD changing its policy to be able to conduct military action against citizens doesn't look so awesome, does it?
Your side never did like getting its own medicine shoved down its throat.
All this waa waa over Ukraine and Putin ...
* There's something especially rich about Putin the invader whining that someone has attacked him.
* The idea that Putin is justifiably outraged that Ukraine, an independent country, wants to join NATO makes a mockery of the very idea of independence.
* Why does NATO even still exist? It should have been disbanded in the 1990s at the latest, but could have been disbanded in the 1960s. It was meant to deter Stalin while Europe was rebuilding after WW II. It has long since ceased to be anything but an excuse for Europeans to save money at Uncle Sam's expense.
* Stop sending my money to Ukraine. Putin's evil, graspy, and a danger to his neighbors, but that is Europe's problem, not mine.
* WW I arguably went crazy because Britain decided to intervene in a repeat of the 1870 Franco-Prussian war. The Tsar of Russia didn't help matters any by backing Serbia. Kaiser Wilhelm was an insufferable idiot who poked and prodded Austria-Hungary into fake outrage over a piddling assassination of an old aristocrat of no importance. Then Woodrow Wilson rescued American bankers who had backed Britain and were worried about losing their loans.
* WW II in Europe arguably started because France especially, but Britain too, had no interest in enforcing the Treaty of Versailles when they could have done so with minimal effort, but were pretty happy at backstabbing each other.
* WW II in the Pacific arguably started because Uncle Sam was miffed at not getting any Chinese territories and wanted to force Japan to trade with the world, then decided to beat up on Spain for no good reason, then played racist imperial games with racist imperial Japan.
I'm sick and tired of governments fucking everything up. Stop stealing my money. Stop telling other countries what to do.
"WW I arguably went crazy because Britain decided to intervene in a repeat of the 1870 Franco-Prussian war. The Tsar of Russia didn’t help matters any by backing Serbia. Kaiser Wilhelm was an insufferable idiot who poked and prodded Austria-Hungary into fake outrage over a piddling assassination of an old aristocrat of no importance. Then Woodrow Wilson rescued American bankers who had backed Britain and were worried about losing their loans."
What, it wasn't just Good vs Evil, with the US fighting extra-Good?
"WW II in the Pacific arguably started because Uncle Sam was miffed at not getting any Chinese territories and wanted to force Japan to trade with the world, then decided to beat up on Spain for no good reason, then played racist imperial games with racist imperial Japan."
Ditto?
Britain got involved in the Great War when Imperial Germany invaded neutral Belgium as part of the Kaiser’s Schlieffen Plan to bypass the French fortifications along the French-German common border. That was a line that London would not allowed to be crossed.
Imperial Russia was the protectorate of the Slavic and Eastern Orthodox people. This was previously demonstrated such as during the Russo-Turkish War a few decades earlier when liberating Bulgaria fighting alongside their people and the (Eastern Orthodox) Romanians which culminated at Plevna/Pleven.
The greatest warhawks that kicked that off were in Vienna. Chief amongst them was Conrad von Hötzendorf, chief of general staff, who had tried multiple times to invade Serbia only to have Kaiser Franz Josef talked out of it by Archduke Franz Ferdinand. Kaiser Wilhelm’s blank check compelled Austro-Hungary to issue the impossible July Ultimatums knowing it would lead to war with Serbia and Germany would take on Russia (and France). Ferdinand was the heir to that empire and not some “old aristocrat” of no importance. While he was disliked by many, he was also the one person that could have stopped the cascading…but he could not as having been assassinated on the streets of Sarajevo.
The US formally entered the war after Imperial Germany had promised Mexico arms via the Zimmermann telegram.
Economics played a factor in all decisions, including Britain initially staying out of it until Belgium’s neutrality was violated.
The irony here is that the biggest pusher for war, Conrad, was easily among the absolute worst generals in the war and had to be rescued by the Germans.
Yup. He was a bad general in charge of a cumbersome army that had something like a dozen official languages. Then trying to manage Slavs fighting against Slavs. The rail system there was stupid too: their rail mobilization and transport was directed to run at the slowest trains they had (12 km/hr?) even though other trains/lines could move several times that. Iirc, there is at least one street in Austria named after him. He would have done well in the Biden-Harris admin.
A neocon before we knew to call them neocons.
Looks like Graz and Salzburg both have streets named after him. Maybe other places.
This is one part of the Reason comments that I love: Alt history theorizing, and I mean that in a positive way.
Ferdinand was the heir to that empire and not some “old aristocrat” of no importance. While he was disliked by many, he was also the one person that could have stopped the cascading…but he could not as having been assassinated on the streets of Sarajevo.
It's honestly a shame Franz Joseph didn't croak about 5 years before the war started. Ferdinand was didactic and not a very warm person except to his wife and kids, but he was smart enough to realize that the days of post-Westphalian monarchies were coming to an end, and that the empire needed to function as something of an Austrian "first among equals" construct if it was to survive.
Ferdinand apparently supported turning the empire into a triopoly with a Slavic state existing similar to Hungary despite him viewing Slavs as subhuman. It was naïve of him to visit Bosnia and Herzegovina. He was an interesting person.
The idea that Putin is justifiably outraged that Ukraine, an independent country, wants to join NATO makes a mockery of the very idea of independence.
We nearly started a nuclear war over the Soviet Union putting missiles in Cuba. Talk about a mockery of independence. I don’t have a problem with Ukraine trying to get a formal military alliance from its sponsor, but Ukraine isn’t like the chickenshit Baltic states; it had one of the largest militaries in Europe before the war and still fights in the Soviet style. Anyone who thinks Putin, or any other peer/near-peer state, would take something like that lying down is either ideologically blinkered or hasn’t cracked open a history book.
Why does NATO even still exist? It should have been disbanded in the 1990s at the latest, but could have been disbanded in the 1960s.
Honestly? Because the grand experiment in the 1990s to make Russia a client state of the US for us to exploit ultimately fell with a splat when we interfered in their 1996 election to get that drunken idiot Yeltsin back in the seat. At least the puppets we sponsored during the Cold War–Suharto, Pahlavi, Pinochet, etc.,–were relatively competent and could be trusted to hold down the fort for years, if not decades. Putin being in power is a direct result of our stupid Nulandite meddling.
NATO wasn’t going away as long as the Warsaw Pact was still intact, though. After that, yes, it’s mainly been a tool for the west to impose its pimp hand on global affairs–see Serbia (funny how we didn’t have a problem with Kosovo breaking off, but Crimea and the Donbas leaving Ukraine are not to be tolerated), Libya, and Afghanistan post-Bin Laden getting domed. Turkey would have been kicked out a decade ago if it wouldn’t have given Russia instant access to the Dardanelles, because they’re not exactly a faithful ally by any means.
Kaiser Wilhelm was an insufferable idiot who poked and prodded Austria-Hungary into fake outrage over a piddling assassination of an old aristocrat of no importance.
That was going to happen anyway. Franz-Joseph might have had no love for Ferdinand, but Hotzendorf (who had one of the most impressive haircut/moustache style combinations in military history) had a hard-on for teaching Serbia a lesson after years of political assassinations and assassination attempts on other nations’ leaders, plus making sure that Serbia didn’t get all uppity after the Balkan Wars. Wilhelm certainly didn’t help by indicating his support, but Hotzendorf had a lot of stroke in the royal palace at the time and he would have ultimately gotten his way.
I watched an episode of Just Asking Questions last night... Liz has a good voice for podcasting.
And she (Liz) has the loveliest deep blue eyes. Captivating.
No, I am not being a male chauvanist pig. I admire beauty.
Matt Gaetz, is that you?
Her husband is a lucky man.
Pelosi has a good face for radio.
I hate it when a hot, uh, "content creator" has a voice like Minnie Mouse on helium. Sophie Dee could be be an example. I guess there's more than one reason she's not a press secretary or spokesperson.
Christin@hexprax
Nov 11
American conservatism just doesn’t appeal to me because I’m not scared of everything.. not scared of immigrants, crime, using public transportation, cities. I’m interested in other people and like talking to them. Even if someone is weird it doesn’t really bother me.
Studies consistently show that conservatives understand leftists far better than leftists understand conservatives. This is because left wing media and educational institution control ensures everyone learns about leftists from leftists while leftists learns about conservatives from leftists. This sort of idiocy is the result of their having no clue what they are talking about. Usually wrong, but never in doubt.
"because I’m not scared of everything.. not scared of immigrants, crime, using public transportation, cities. I’m interested in other people "
or because you are isolated from the consequences and have never had to face them, most likely. Gated-community liberal (or 20 year old city dweller) take
Yes, and also retarded victimhood take, from somebody who does live in the hood and thinks robbery, mugging, and vandalism is normal.
I’ll never get the label of republicans being the party of fear when the dems run almost exclusively on the “they’re going to jail and or kill you if they get into office. Democracy will be as dead as you will be if we don’t win!” message.
They are far more apocalyptic in their messaging; so much so that they have people taking shots at their enemies because they believe that messaging so much.
100% of people still masking are Democrats.
The left's entire approach to politics and elections is demagoguery. They why they focused their efforts on media and educational control, so they can preach their political messages without interference.
""The left’s entire approach to politics and elections is demagoguery. ""
And we just witnessed it fail spectacularly.
It failed this time because evidence of their economic failure in the form of inflation could not be denied. It remains true however that the left's propaganda machine delivers tens of millions of votes every cycle. It will work again in the future unless we successfully end their capture of our major institutions.
"It failed this time because evidence of their economic failure in the form of inflation could not be denied."
To clarify, that only applies to the people that actually live in real life. I am still seeing people cry about voting in a racist, rapist, fascist because of "muh eggs." They didn't learn one damn thing about this election.
Their control of legacy media means nothing going forward. Anyone that still trusts them is voting Dem anyway.
It’s why we’re seeing all the screeching about controlling “misinformation” on alternative media.
American conservatism just doesn’t appeal to me because I’m not scared of everything
MIGRANT CARAVAN! SHIT YER PANTS, BOYS!
(conservative media in unison)
turd, the TDS-addled ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
BEWARE THE SECOND INSURRECTION BY RIGHTWING EXTREMISTS ON 9 / 18 / 21
THIS IS LITERALLY THE HANDMAIDS TALE
IF TRUMP WINS THE ELECTION THERE WILL BE NO MORE ELECTIONS
RUSSIANS LITERALLY CONTROL OUR GOVERNMENT
Needs more concentration camps.
Ha, it's funny because Pluggo has actually used all of those here. He's about as self-aware as Sarc.
Don’t forget the recent THIS IS LITERAL TRANS GENOCIDE and TRUMP'S GOING TO LOCK ME INTO A CAMP and TRUMP'S GOING TO FORCE INTERRACIAL MARRAIGES TO BREAK UP.
Studies consistently show that conservatives understand leftists far better than leftists understand conservatives.
The actual research was about liberals and conservatives, not leftists and conservatives. Conservatives do understand liberals better than liberals understand conservatives.
This is because left wing media and educational institution control ensures everyone learns about leftists from leftists while leftists learns about conservatives from leftists.
That’s not what the research showed. It showed that conservatives valued more moral foundation categories than liberals and that this “valuation” gap was the reason.
The actual research was about liberals and conservatives, not leftists and conservatives.
That's the label they used, yes. But since the people who call themselves liberals are not in fact liberals I corrected it.
It showed that conservatives valued more moral foundation categories than liberals and that this “valuation” gap was the reason.
That may be the underlying difference that causes leftists to commonly mis-evaluate conservatives. But if this difference in approaches were the only issue the misunderstandings would go both ways: conservatives would also misunderstand the left because they would value them according to their own priorities. Yet we see this does not happen, or happens far less often.
That is because leftist institutional control teaches people on the right enough about their approach that this difference is overcome. It could happen in reverse if only our media and education systems wanted to do this. But instead our left-controlled institutions want people like the idiot above (and the left wingers who post here) to continually assert that conservative thought is equivalent to racism/sexism/homophobia because this propaganda message drives tens of millions of left wing votes. Without this message they are not competitive electorally and likely never would be again.
“But since the people who call themselves liberals are not in fact liberals I corrected it.”
Thank you. The North American misuse of the word ‘Liberal” bugs me to high heaven.
Progressives and democrats aren’t liberal in the least. In fact, outside of sex and drugs, they are antithetical to liberalism.
It’s really more libertinism due to the focus on sex and drugs, not unlike a number of the Reason editors.
"Studies consistently show that conservatives understand leftists far better than leftists understand conservatives."
They have spent so long arguing against a caricature of what a conservative is without ever learning what they actually believe and value, while conservatives frequently just repeat what the libtards say back to them, dunking on them is simple as that.
The conservative argues by knowing the position of the libtard and beating them over the head with why its dumb. The leftist spouts things like "evangelicals think Trump is their god!" and "conservatives want a white supremacist handmaids tale hellscape". Their views are completely based on fiction and detached from reality. The conservative view of "you weirdos want govt control of everything, hate religious people, and dont know what gender you are" is pretty fucking spot on based on listening to the libtards for 5 minutes
"The conservative view of “you weirdos want govt control of everything, hate religious people, and dont know what gender you are” is pretty fucking spot on based on listening to the libtards for 5 minutes"
Pretty fucking spot on based on based on what Pluggo himself posts here.
Their views are completely based on fiction and detached from reality.
Examples include Nancy McLean's book claiming James Buchanan's Libertarianism developed from his desire to support for Jim Crow, The 1619 Project, Elizabeth Warren's study on personal bankruptcy, and the campus sexual assault study which claimed the typical sexual assaulter on campus was an intentional serial rapist. The left's approach to "scholarship" is to first identify a fact which, if true, would advance leftist political goals and then produce a study or work asserting that. No investigation or testing of the thesis is involved because whether these assertions are true is simply not relevant to the left as the works above demonstrate. They know leftist institutions will cover for them. The goal is simply to create a data point with the credibility of academia supporting it that their media allies can point to. They know the validity of this propaganda will never be questioned and criticism from the right will be characterized as partisan no matter how valid it is. Left institutions are part of the propaganda machine, as are left wingers who comment here basing their arguments on the same propaganda.
This is why it is so important the left not just emphasize their own message but completely delegitimize any competing ideas. Fox is not just a different viewpoint, but racist itself. This convinces their acolytes to never even listen to what others are saying. That's why they protest even moderates on campus, and this cycle we saw them using the same tactic on Joe Rogan and twitter. It's all Chapter 1 of the Propaganda 101 textbook.
That's one fine circle jerk you all have going on.
Translation: "I can't refute a fucking thing that was said here."
^ This
The fact that he doesn't recognize an actual conversation suggests he's never been in one.
I think that's the same reaction left wingers have to Joe Rogan. They just can't understand that anyone does anything other than "all attack - all the time". It's another instance where their institutional control works against them because the interactions there are so defined and stilted they can't function in a free environment.
Nah, you're all agreeing with each other about the meaning of "liberal", "lefty", etc and how unpleasant they are, paying no attention to definitions, facts, etc.
A circle jerk, IOW - and it seems you've started another one.
Translation: "I not only can't refute a single fucking thing that was said here, I won't even offer up explanations of my own to the very fucking thing I'm making passive-aggressive remarks about."
American conservatism just doesn’t appeal to me because I’m not scared of everything
The fuck she and her fellow leftists aren't. We've seen them provide laundry lists of what they're scared of the last two weeks.
Mass deportations sounds as problematic as mass incarceration.
It depends on who is being deported, and why.
cost to deport 1 million migrants = $88 billion.
(From the only study I can find)
Now Jesse here at H&R disputes this but won't find a different study to compare costs.
But Jesse just makes shit up anyway.
And who made the study, Turd?
I know exactly who Buttplug is quoting:
American Immigration Council – Mass Deportation
Devastating Costs to America, Its Budget and Economy
Also;
Our Vision
We envision a nation where immigrants are embraced,communities are enriched, and justice prevails for all. We strive to create a society that values immigrants as vital contributors to our nation and where everyone is afforded an equal opportunity to thrive socially, economically, and culturally.
How We Do It
We serve thousands of individuals in immigration detention centers through the Immigration Justice Campaign, our initiative with the American Immigration Lawyers Association. The Justice Campaign’s goal is to increase access to legal counsel by leveraging a nationwide network of volunteers and training lawyers to vigorously defend immigrants facing removal.
We use the courts to demand a fair process for immigrants. The Council works to achieve justice and fairness for immigrants under the law. The Council is highly respected for its willingness and ability to bring cutting-edge lawsuits that hold the government accountable for unlawful conduct and restrictive interpretations and implementation of the law.
Golly, why do legal immigrants have to worry about courts? I just don’t understand. I thought it was only illegal alien scofflaws.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.
We spent $150 billion on illegals last year. And those cost keep accruing. A one time cost of $88 billion seems like a good deal.
They claim it’s $88 billion per year. That still leaves us in the black, however. (Well, at least, with regard to cost of illegal immigrants versus deportation).
Win win?
How much do we spend on the military every year? Do we need to spend ALL of it?
If we spend that much on national security, but we dont actually have a defended secure border, seems like we arent putting it in the right place.
88 billion sounds like a steal to me
Lol. You’re still promoting an activist group in AIC that pushed bullshit numbers. Amazing.
How much does it currently cost to deport someone shrike? Especially the 2.5M combined who have no judicial stance to argue from.
This cost is STILL less than the yearly cost spent supporting illegal immigration. Lol.
You're pedophilic tendencies cost the country 1T a year. I studied it. Now post a counter study to refute my bullshit number or it is fact.
The people did not pay their own way here; find out who paid for them to get here and bill them for the return.
^ This. And anyone wanting to return legally must pay any debit their departure created before being considered.
I'm starting to come around to Jeff's idea of machine gun nests.
That’s a lot of bullets for a single pederast. Oh, you meant the illegal aliens.
A police officer questioned me about a recent event. I happened to have observed a tranny groomer story hour sex offender getting beaten up by six guys.
Officer: “When you saw the tranny groomer story hour sex offender getting beaten up by six guys, why didn’t you join in?”
Chumby: “Officer, I thought six was enough to get the job done.”
Should that be, "...why didn't you call for help?"
Yup. Caught that at the 6 minute mark. Even Norm McDonald fucked up a few times during Weekend Update. I was multitasking reading my new orders from the Kremlin when that was posted.
Svetlana: January snow in Siberia dry.
Hits nail on the head. "Conservatives have solved for this by leaving urban areas. Liberals have solved for it by living in denial about how rampant poverty and crime really make them feel."...and Libertarians solve it by gaining a rudimentary understanding of both and issuing snarky, ironic comments, while basking in their moral superiority.
How does the cost of deportation compare to the annual cost of coddling the illegal immigrants.
If I read a story over the weekend correctly, there are 1.3M illegals that LOST their asylum case but are still in the country. Sending back MS13, TdA and the illegals that have already lost their case should be an easy start without disrupting anything that shouldn't already be completed.
Or just send all MS13 and TdA into the cities and states that insist on being sanctuary.
"Or just send all MS13 and TdA into the cities and states that insist on being sanctuary."
Send them to chicago and they will blend in so well as to be indistinguishable from their normal urban population
True. 1.3M already got their day in court and lost and have final deportation orders, yet Biden won’t deport them. There is zero argument why that group should not be deported immediately.
Otherwise obviously deport criminals and named terrorists. Those are no brainers. Enforce the ban on re-entry when you enter unlawfully. Remove incentives. Stop flying people to the US (at US cost) who already have asylum in a European country.
Ibarra was convicted in NYC, protected from ICE, had his record expunged and then flown to Athens, GA at taxpayer cost as part of Biden’s program where he then committed murder.
There is so much low hanging fruit to deport before you get to anyone where you might argue some moral case about good people wanting a better life.
Anyone who didn’t want to see mass deportations shouldn’t have argued for mass unvetted illegal immigration, violation of the parole program far beyond its intended use, and contrived use of TPS.
Seoul Searching
The US has notified South Korea of its decision to use its missiles against Russia, Yonhap writes
The South Korean side was only notified, since “this issue does not require the direct participation of the Republic of Korea,” the agency’s source noted.
The world is now as close to nuclear exchange as during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Adults in charge. For two more months.
If we banned guns no one would get murdered in "mass shootings"...so THEY say...
https://thedailyhorn.com/mass-stabbing-leaves-8-dead-and-17-others-wounded/
A tragic knife attack at an educational institution in Yixing, Jiangsu Province, eastern China, resulted in the death of eight individuals and left 17 others injured. This incident, which occurred on Saturday evening, adds to a series of violent occurrences that have marred the week.
Earlier in the week, China experienced its deadliest mass killing in nearly a decade when a 62-year-old man drove a car into a crowd in Zhuhai, killing 35 people and injuring 43 others.
If we decriminalized killing people, there would be no murders.
That depends on how many weeks.
Two weeks.
the makers of Money Pit should hit up Fauci for stealing that
Maybe they identified as being pregnant with those 25 people? They were just trying to end a very very painful pregnancy.
Hey. At least they didn't get shot. Success.
I would think that failing to provide SS cards and passports, etc. to babies born here to illegals and who are US citizens by birthright violates constitutional right to equal protection/treatment. Obviously. I doubt most Trump supporters care about such constitutional niceties.
Those of you in favour of such deportations - do you trust the government to make no mistakes about who is illegal and who isn't? If you're a citizen but are at risk of being seized and deported, how much force are you permitted to use to prevent unlawful deportation?
SRG2...I would want federal courts to weigh in on actively denying SS cards and passports to children of illegal aliens born here. I always had the understanding that if you were born here, you acquired citizenship. The proverbial lottery ticket.
I do not trust the government to get 100% correct on who is illegal. It is the federal government. I do think our system has sufficient safeguards in place. I am pretty sure a citizen isn't going to be deported willy-nilly w/o due process.
The country has voted for a dramatic policy change. We want illegal aliens removed from the country. They will be removed.
The argument is based on if an illegal is considered under the jurisdiction of the US, one od the requirements. This argument has never been settled.
If it was simplu being born on US soil, then children of foreign diplomats here would be citizens, they are not.
The US is one of a handful of countries that has jus Soli citizenship.
I think it's pretty obvious that the "jurisdiction" part is largely there for the case of foreign diplomats and such who generally have immunity from prosecution or arrest.
And I don't see how one could claim that illegals are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US. They are subject to arrest, prosecution and deportation which clearly demonstrates that they are under US jurisdiction.
There's a legitimate debate on whether this is the best policy, but the 14th seems pretty clear on this.
Many make the claim that jurisdiction refers to the legal status of someone, not just being applicable to the law.
Interpreted the latter way, an invasion force who had babies would birth citizens. They'd be subject to US law during the invasion and not given diplomatic immunity. But the theoretical children would be citizens on the broadly interpreted jurisdiction definition.
I'd say that an invading army (if the invasion is going well) is not subject to jurisdiction of the country it is invading as it is trying to create its own jurisdiction. Though I'm not sure how effective an army of people who are pregnant or recently gave birth is going to be. And things are a bit different in a state of war when it comes to the law.
I think it's pretty clear from the text. But I suppose it's open to debate until the courts weigh in more on the issue.
Meh. Could point to the proliferate use of Greek armies bringing whores with them for after battle victories. Believe the Huns and Ottomans did the same.
But how does a jurisdiction change over during a conflict? Until the invaders actually take over, there is no jurisdiction change.
Arizona has in the past utilized resources for pregnant women yards from a border being flown into a hospital to give birth. Is that woman who takes a few steps into the country under jurisdiction of the country?
Sure they are. If they get caught and the law is properly enforced, they are subject to US law. I don't know what else "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means. The exceptions are for diplomatic immunity and a no-shit invasion force as far as I can see. And if people are making the case that children of camp followers of an actual invading army need to be granted citizenship, then I don't even know what to say to those people. But I thing that is a scenario we are unlikely to see tested.
I don’t buy being subject to a law is sole requirement for jurisdiction or it could have been written that way.
Again the invading force could be charged with legal crimes. They are not under jurisdiction until captured and detained.
Especially where if they returned to their home country they would no longer be under jurisdiction. But a US citizen can be even if in a foreign country.
Ironically the FBI has charged Russians for actions in 2020 even not present un the US. Since they are subject to US law are their children citizens?
A fake British sock who doesn’t bother to learn that the jus soli argument has been discussed for decades and never settled constitutionally by the courts. There has been an ongoing constitutional discussion on whether citizenship can be granted to illegals who don’t technically qualify as under the jurisdiction of, the clause that sets the terms. The same clause that would exclude children of diplomats from citizenship.
But fake British shrike knows more than the constitutional legal community.
I would think SRG2.
Is.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
‘Some people will cling to their homes, their jobs, their communities, and attempt to evade deportation to the greatest degree possible.’
Uh... you do realize that if this were broadly true, they wouldn't be here in the first place, right?
No, see, all of those things were terrible where they came from. So, they brought all of their benefits here. So beneficial. Going back? Un-beneficial. It's only beneficial for the US. Only benefits, no costs. Let them all in. We'll all be billionaires in no time.
I get it arguing over how strict to be about deportations.
But why do doctrinaire democrats oppose deporting criminals? Why do they support spending my money to import masses of low-skilled migrants that are put on welfare funding and given free housing when they arrive?
Can there be no middle ground?
Very few other than activists 'oppose' deporting illegals. What they support is a legal process for adjudicating deportation, refugee status, etc. And 'oppose' sending in the military to short cut everything legal and pretend it is a war/invasion.
Right now - there is a backlog of 4.5 million cases - with 10 million new filings each year. They processed 10 million last year but that is the first year in decades where the backlog went down.
There is deliberate constipation and slow walking and bureaucratic inertia. A huge shortage of immigration judges. A complete lack of coherent policy at the border itself. And a quite deliberate attempt by both parties - and elites who want our immigration system to remain broken - to refuse to fix anything or even talk about what needs fixing. So instead it is all about politicking and creating a wedge issue - as personified by your comment.
No, they oppose deporting criminals. There was even a house bill to do so and the democrats voted against it with a 100% no down the line. That really happened.
Amazing then how with '100% opposition' that they funded the US government to process 10 million cases last year.
Lol. Pure ignorance as usual jfree.
They have adjudicated 1.5M to final deportation orders who still haven't been deported.
Even with court approval no action has been taken dummy.
yet they voted no on the bill that explicitly intended to deport illegal criminals. What is the mindset behind voting no on such a bill?
Probably because the bill was something else entirely. A lot of legislation is pure partisan poison pills. Intended to be propaganda and 'wedge issue' stuff - not actual legislation intended to fix whatever its intended to fix.
Assuming whatever you say is true and isn't just a product of wedge issue media stuff. You're talking about a vote I've never heard of - on a bill I've never heard of - with an intent that sounds like propaganda - and that undermines the legislation that is actually being funded.
Argument by ignorance. Probably. Lol.
The mayors and governors of several blue cities and states say you’re full of shit. Their actions are literally going to make life harder for illegal aliens who aren’t otherwise involved in the justice system.
Open borders uber alles overrides default Democrat position of "can never have enough gun control laws".
"In 2019, Democrats in the House Judiciary Committee voted against amendments to a gun background check law. Those amendments would require that ICE be notified when an undocumented immigrant fails a gun background check.
It is a felony to lie on Form 4473, one line on the form asks "21.l. Are you an alien illegally or unlawfully in the United States? " It also says " I understand that a person who answers “yes” to any of the questions 21.b. through 21.l. as well as 21.n. is prohibited from receiving, possessing, or purchasing a firearm. I understand that a person who answers “yes” to question 21.m.1. is prohibited from
receiving or possessing a firearm, unless the person answers “yes” to question 21.m.2. and provides the documentation required in 26.d. I also understand that making any false oral or written statement, or exhibiting any false or misrepresented identification with respect to this transaction, is a crime punishable as a felony under Federal law, and may also violate State and/or local law. "
At the point where the transaction reached 21.l., if the person doesn't walk away from the transaction knowing that they are a Prohibited Person, they have committed at least one felony.
At that point, they have become "criminal aliens".
But Democrats think it would be unfair to deport them.
(Snopes, of course, bends over backwards to make a "they voted against this for procedural reasons" argument).
A good starting point - eliminate welfare for undocumented people and deport any criminals. Those should be no brainers.
You would think so, right? But here in California they keep passing bills to give illegals free money to put a down on a house, and free health care, and free this and that. They WANT to give free money to illegals and avoid deporting the ones who commit crimes. IT's a mental illness.
Interesting development in the Iran-Israel propaganda war. For decades, Iran has basically outsourced its Western-targeted propaganda/PR stuff to – Israel? Iran issues stuff in Farsi and just lets Israel ‘translate’ it into English. So outside Iran, Israel owns the Iran narrative. Not the wisest move there for Iran.
Netanyahu issued a message ‘to Iran’ (in English – so not really to Iran) a few weeks ago making his case for regime change in Iran. Now Javed Zarif has issued a message ‘to Israel’ (in English – so not really to Israel) making his case for regime change in Israel.
I doubt it gets heard in either Israel or the US – or on youtube – and would have little impact even if it does. But this is huge for the 1-2 billion speakers of English who are open to hearing Iran’s case directly.
Not so interesting, really. It isn't hard to say that Israel will kick your useless, theocratic Iranian ass in Farsi.
You don't know shit Sherlock. I doubt you're even Jewish though you masquerade as that. You are just another alt-right anti-semite (of the Charlottesville ilk) who likes Israel only because they are killing Muslims now.
I'm not Jewish and I think your a lying, propagandizing Nazi, J(ew)Free. You can use me as a benchmark.
Also, lol: "tHe rEAL aNtiSeMiTes aRe tHe oNes wHo dOn'T hAtE thE jEwS"
>>anti-semite ... who likes Israel
the enemy of my enemy is the enemy of my enemy
There are plenty of far right who hate Muslims more than they hate Jews. Or who rather like Israel as a place for diaspora Jews to escape to - and who rather think that should happen. Or who like Israel as an ethnonationalist model state that limits immigration based on blood and soil and has no interest in 'liberal' notions of immigration like the West or Reason. Or who like spreading anti-semitic dual loyalty tropes by saying that anti-Zionism/Israel = anti-semitism.
Many of them - commenters here.
There are plenty of antisemitic steaming piles of lefty shit here, just like JFucked
that's four kinds of people.
More than just four kinds of people.
^ But not more than one asshole who should FOAD.
It must really frost your sorry antisemitic ass to watch you hamas homies die, one by one, over in gaza. Pick up a gun and go help your hamas homies, dickweed.
You're too chickenshit to even think that thought.
TDS-addled shitbag also had to suffer a Tuesday night hammering; it's amusing.
Look at the leftist projecting his hateful bigotry.
Commenter XY is undoubtedly a MOT. I may not agree with him on much, because he's so often mistaken, but he's deffo a MOT.
What's MOT?
Member of the Tribe, i.e., Jewish
Lol. JewFree shows his true colors.
Great news.
RE: hamas terrorist leadership leaves Qatar for Turkey
They're dead men walking. It is only a matter of time before they die.
We can but hope.
The Jeffys of America's musical debut.
ELECTION MELTDOWNS GO METAL
Big improvement.
https://www.marketwatch.com/articles/trump-crypto-lutnick-commerce-secretary-6454121b?mod=mw_latestnews
Get rid of the dept of commerce. But, short of that, this is a VAST improvement to what we have now.
Does anyone else have nuclear strike against the U.S. on their bingo card for 2024?
Yup.
my luck & our intelligence apparatus they'll permit it on Dallas because Texas.
Forward NATO bases likely first. Whichever company made the missiles would be an initial target too (they just hit a Rheinmetal facility in Ukraine). The Norks might have contagious fire and strike SK just after.
I don't actually believe that our missile defense systems will be effective against Russia's hypersonic missiles. Starting this war at this time will result in 80% of the casualties being on our side.
The final Scenes from New York would have far fewer hipsters.
Can they just hit DC and call it a day?
>>Vance and Trump should get their stories straight and figure out who ought to be listened to.
in a world where both can be correct ...
Pretty sure JD Vance is wrong whatever the subject.
fuck I forgot. in a world where JD Vance is wrong ...
>>Conservatives have solved for this by leaving urban areas.
people who create families and have common sense leave urban areas.
>>Mass Deportations
no no, Mayor Wu said she wants them ... Mass importations
MAGA needs to learn to sell it like the Democrats do:
“They’re not being deported, they’re being imported back to their family homes in beautiful Central America. Wouldn’t you like to live in a tropical paradise? I know I would.”
never had a bad time in Central or South America
Me too. Great place. Great people.
>>Ukraine has fired US-made ATACMS missiles into Russia's Bryansk region
did we also sell Russia a dome?
on the deportations is there a middle ground? like happy to see Los Hombres de Aragua reinstituted to Aragua but otherwise if you made it bienvenidos?
"Ukraine has fired US-made ATACMS missiles into Russia's Bryansk region"
I've never quite understood why "escalation" is such a dirty word for mainstream news media - especially here on Reason. Are they saying something like, "The war is already bad enough with Ukraine trying to defend itself with one hand tied behind its back. Now that Ukraine is actually able to defend itself with an offense instead of just a limited defense, it's TEN TIMES WORSE!" For shame!
Hi Warpig.
Ukraine was always allowed to attack Russians in Russia. Just not with the free weapons the US was giving it. If they wanted to kill Russians outside Ukraine they had to do it on their own dime.
Now the unelected junta controlling old Joe decided they would use American weapons to attack Russia through Ukrainian proxies, and hopefully start WW3 just in time for Trump.
You guys are actual monsters.
200,000 dead Ukrainians just wasn’t enough to satiate their blood lust.
maybe with more offensive stuff being fired at him Putin will come back to the table?
Putin has been willing to come to the table the whole time.
^ This. Moscow even tried to bring Kiev back to honoring Minsk 2 prior to the SMO. BoJo and JoeBlow both said no no to Volo.
ya I guess true. looking for the silver lining
"I’ve never quite understood why “escalation” is such a dirty word for mainstream news media – especially here on Reason."
Strawman much?
Cheering for escalation when Putin is threating to lob nukes at Ukraine is pretty fucked, but you do you.
Putin is not threatening to lob nukes at Ukraine. Putin is threatening to lob nukes at the nations that supplied weapons to the hohols in Ukraine that are used inside Russia.
its prolonging an unwinabble war, sending more meat to the grinder, and potentially roping us into the conflict, and maybe nukes.
Its fucking retarded that we humor this.
Tell zelensky its time to talk terms, the spigot is turning off. They lose the territories that they lost and frankly couldnt have defended without us basically proxying this war the entire time. Its over. Stop the charade and wasting our dollars
"...Tell zelensky its time to talk terms, the spigot is turning off..."
Russia is a problem facing Ukraine and Europe; IMO, we leave NATO, remove our forces from there and sell whatever weapons those with a problem choose to buy.
Do not see this as a difficult issue to understand.
Hmm, FEC filings show Kamala "gave" money to companies tied to Roland Martin and Al Sharpton right before they had softball interviews with her.
Did ANYBODY actually WANT to be seen with her? Were all of them paid?
Turns out Oprah wasn’t given that $2.5M; it was laundered through one of her businesses:
(hint, hint, nudge, nudge)
“Kamala Harris’ campaign paid Oprah Winfrey’s production company nearly $2.5 million for celeb-packed town hall — over double initial estimate”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kamala-harris-campaign-paid-oprah-winfrey-s-production-company-nearly-2-5-million-for-celeb-packed-town-hall-over-double-initial-estimate/ar-AA1ugjq7?ocid=BingNewsSerp
Why does it not surprise me that Democrats would launder money instead of just paying outright.
Everyone was paid except for that dumb tool Charlemagne.
We really dodged a bullet.
In today's news cycle terms, this is old news.
Earlier today, 45 pro-democracy politicians and activists who launched a primary challenge in Hong Kong's 2020 legislative elections were sentenced to prison, with some sentences as long as 10 years.
You know who else?
Orange Man Bad?
Where is all the 'rampant poverty and crime' in cities? It's isolated to a few neighborhoods. Cities are really not that bad. They have parks and museums and lots of shops, restaurants and shows. I've visited a lot of them recently. The biggest problem with most cities is that they are so gentrified that only quite rich people can afford to live in them.
It’s isolated to
a fewBlack neighborhoods.Fixed it.
For context from a 2024 article: I guess I spend more time in safer cities. I'll have to go to Missouri or Alabama to get exposed to the 'rampant crime and poverty'.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2024/02/28/americas-15-safest-cities-most-dangerous-cities-moneygeek-report/
Ranked: 15 Safest Large Cities in the U.S. (with a population over 300,000)
The figure next to each city reflects the per-capita crime rate.
Irvine, California ($364)
Henderson, Nevada ($673)
Virginia Beach, Virginia ($773)
Honolulu, Hawaii ($832)
El Paso, Texas ($983
San Diego, California ($1,206)
Mesa, Arizona ($1,404)
San Jose, California ($1,472
Riverside, California ($1,580)
Arlington, Texas ($1,593)
Anaheim, California ($1,707)
New York City ($1,722)
Boston, Massachusetts ($1,787)
Omaha, Nebraska ($1,829)
Lexington, Kentucky ($1,853)