Trump's Immigration Picks Are Terrible
An administration staffed by Stephen Miller, Thomas Homan, and Kristi Noem will be punitive and authoritarian on this issue.

Just over a week after winning the presidential election, Donald Trump has begun to assemble a team that leaves no doubt he intends to implement a punitive immigration platform come 2025.
Trump has announced that South Dakota Republican Gov. Kristi Noem will serve as secretary of Homeland Security, former Acting Director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Thomas Homan will serve as "border czar," and former immigration adviser Stephen Miller will serve as deputy chief of staff for policy. Homan and Miller are both known hard-liners who served in much-publicized roles during the first Trump administration, and Noem has emerged as an active-on-the-border governor. All three picks are a sign that Trump will again lean into—and hire people willing to realize—his worst impulses on immigration policy.
Noem, who served for eight years in the House of Representatives before becoming governor of South Dakota in 2019, has scant immigration policy experience at the federal level. After Trump suspended refugee resettlement and barred the entry of people from seven Muslim-majority countries for several months in 2017, she praised the move, saying she supported a "temporary pause on accepting refugees from terrorist-held areas."
Noem has been far more active in border policy as governor, and Trump has taken notice. "She was the first Governor to send National Guard Soldiers to help Texas fight the Biden Border Crisis, and they were sent a total of eight times," said Trump in a statement Wednesday. Noem has called the U.S.-Mexico border a "war zone" and argued an "invasion" is taking place there. Though she marketed the National Guard deployment as a way to stop drug smuggling and human trafficking, a 2022 Associated Press report indicated that "the South Dakota troops didn't seize any drugs" during their two-month deployment and "had little if anything to do" some days.
Noem will work closely with Homan, who has decades of experience in immigration enforcement and previously served as acting director of ICE under Trump. Controversial—and cruel—episodes dotted his tenure. Homan was an unapologetic proponent of separating migrant families as a deterrent policy, first pitching the idea during the Obama administration. (The Trump administration separated thousands of children from their families, and many of them still haven't been reunited.) Homan once argued that politicians who govern sanctuary cities should be charged with crimes, and ICE under his watch swept up undocumented immigrants trying to make an honest living.
This time around, Homan will likely play a central part in Trump's mass deportation effort, which the president-elect claims could target millions of undocumented immigrants. Workplace raids will again be on the table, Homan has said, and on Monday, he warned blue-state governors to "get the hell out of the way" of the administration's enforcement activities. Like before, Homan's efforts could put migrant families in the crosshairs. When 60 Minutes host Cecilia Vega asked Homan whether there is "a way to carry out mass deportation without separating families," he replied, "Of course there is. Families can be deported together." Over 4 million U.S. citizen kids live with at least one undocumented parent, the Congressional Research Service estimated in 2022.
Even among a cast of controversial staff picks, Miller stands apart. As a senior adviser to Trump during his first term, Miller was behind some of the administration's worst immigration policies. He was an architect of the family separation policy and the ban on travelers from Muslim-majority countries. Miller repeatedly tried to get the administration to use public health law to keep out migrants, which Trump ultimately did in response to the COVID-19 pandemic. He lobbied for policies curtailing legal immigration, including by "adding new requirements on approving visa applications that slowed processing and drove up denial rates," per The Wall Street Journal.
Miller appears to be fully on board with Trump's vision for immigration enforcement in the coming term. Miller has "suggested supplementing ICE resources with military planes and National Guard troops, including sending troops from Republican-governed states into neighboring states with Democratic governors," The Washington Post reported. "The immigration discussion" needs to move beyond just a "legal/illegal" distinction, Miller posted on X in January, deriding refugee resettlement, "chain migration," the diversity visa lottery, and "Islamist green card migration" as "'legal,'" in scare quotes.
Trump's second-term team is still growing, but the immigration-related picks so far signal a return to restrictive and often logic-defying policymaking. Noem, Homan, and Miller peddle a narrative about immigration that is seemingly devoid of any benefits. They describe a problem that must be solved by a punishing, militaristic government—an approach that will inevitably tear apart families, face legal challenges, and incur a hefty price tag. These all happened during the first Trump administration, and given the people the president-elect has chosen to staff his next, he's decided they're simply part of the mission.
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We’re looking at the third George W Bush administration 2025-2029.
All the neocons endorsed Kamala dumdum.
As did the white nationalists.
But they have always traditionally been Democrats.
Mike Waltz and Lil’ Taco are neocons, you Trump cultist.
Fuck off, Cheneysucker. You are the Bush administration.
Not as much as your friends the Cheneys. Go fuck yourself, Shrike.
You’re a neocon, and a racist, and a self admitted pedophile, and a neo Marxist Sorosite.
You represent everything evil in the world. So kill yourself.
So you're a buttplug? Good to know.
turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Funny, because George Bush opened up the illegal immigration gates and the first two George Bush administrations voted for and publicly supported Kamala.
I know you're a troll and kind of retarded, but why don't you explain to everyone here why the following publicly through their support behind Kamala:
Bush Administration VP Dick Cheney
Bush Administration United States Attorney General Alberto González (Yay, waterboarding)
Bush Administration Homeland Security Advisor Steve Abbot
Bush Administration Director of the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency Kenneth Adelman
Bush Administration Secretary of the DHS Richard C. Barth
Bush Administration Director of the National Security Council Christopher Barton
Bush Administration National Security Council Legal Adviser John Bellinger
Bush Administration Special Assistant to the President Kenneth Bernard
Bush Administration Special Assistant to the Secretary of Defense Mark E. Bitterman
Bush Administration Deputy National Security Advisor Robert D. Blackwill
Bush Administration Assistant to the Secretary of the Air Force William Bodie
Bush Administration DND Deputy General Counsel Christian M.L. Bonat
Bush Administration Assistant Secretary of State Richard Boucher
Former FBI Assistant Director Greg Brower
Bush Administration Chief Presidential Speechwriter Christopher Buckley
Bush Administration Deputy Secretary of State Jack C. Chow
Bush Administration Assistant to the President & Deputy to the Chief of Staff James W. Cicconi
Bush Administration Deputy Chief of Staff to Secretary of State Peggy Cifrino
Bush Administration Counselor of the Dept. of State Eliot A. Cohen
Bush Administration General Counsel, Dept. of the Army Benedict S. Cohen
Clinton Administration Former Secretary of Defense William Cohen
Bush Administration Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Joseph J. Collins
Bush Administration Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs Cindy Courville
Bush Administration National Security Council Legal Advisor Stephen W. DeVine
Bush Administration Secretary of the Air Force Michael Donley
Bush Administration Acting Under Secretary of the Army Raymond F. DuBois
Bush Administration Senior Executive Service Dept. of Defense Martha E. Duncan
Bush Administration Under Secretary of Defense Eric S. Edelman
Bush Administration Former Deputy Assistant to the President Richard A. Falkenrath
Bush Administration Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs
Jendayi E. Frazer
Bush Administration Deputy Assistant to the Vice President Aaron L. Friedberg
Bush Administration NSA Director of Counterterrorism William Gaches
Bush Administration Assistant Secretary of the Treasury Janice Gardner
Bush Administration Acting Attorney General of the United States Stuart M. Gerson
Bush Administration Under Secretary of State James K. Glassman
Bush Administration Deputy National Security Advisor to the Vice President Jon D. Glassman
Bush Administration Director of State Dept, Policy Planning David Gordon
Bush Administration Director of the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency Michael V. Hayden
Bush Administration Counsel, President’s Intelligence Oversight Board Seth Hurwitz
Bush Administration Acting Attorney General of the United States Peter Keisler
Bush Administration Assistant Secretary of State James A. Kelly
Bush Administration Under Secretary of Defense Kenneth J. Krieg
Bush Administration Deputy Administrator United States Agency for International Development James R. Kunder
Bush Administration Commander, United States Personnel Information Systems Command George Landis
Bush Administration Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary in the State Dept. Steven R. Mann
Bush Administration Deputy Under Secretary of the Army John W. McDonald
Bush Administration General Counsel, U.S. Information Agency Alberto Mora
Bush Administration Associate Deputy Attorney General Kenneth Mortensen
Bush Administration Director of National Intelligence and Former Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte
Bush Administration Secretary of the Navy Sean O’Keefe
CIA Chief of Station William R Piekney
Bush Administration National Security Advisor Daniel M. Price
Bush Administration White House Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board Vice Chairman Alan Charles Raul
Bush Administration Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency Director Victor Reis
Bush Administration Deputy Assistant Secretary of Homeland Security Paul Rosenzweig
HW Bush Administration Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Charles O. Rossotti
Bush Administration State Dept. Deputy Director of Policy Planning Kori Schake
Bush Administration Deputy Under Secretary of Defense Wayne Schroeder
Bush Administration Senior Director, National Security Council Staff and Ambassador to the International Atomic Energy Agency Gregory L. Schulte
Bush Administration Senior Director, National Security Council Staff John Simon
Bush Administration Senior Director, National Security Council Staff Stephen Slick
Bush Administration Deputy Secretary of Defense and Ambassador to NATO William H. Taft
Chief of Staff, Dept. of Homeland Security Miles Taylor
Bush Administration Deputy Attorney General Larry D . Thompson
Bush Administration Principal Deputy Under Secretary of Homeland Security Jack Thomas Tomarchio
Bush Administration Assistant Secretary of Defense John K. Veroneau
Director of Threats, Ballistic Missile Defense Organization Thomas G. Ward, Jr.
Bush Administration Principal Deputy Director, State Dept Policy Planning Matthew C. Waxman
Bush Administration Counselor of the Dept. of State Philip Zelikow
Bush Administration Deputy Secretary of State Robert B. Zoellick
HW Bush Administration Commander of the 24th Infantry Division in Iraq Major General McCaffrey
That’s the whole fucking Bush administration right there, Buttplug. Explain yourself.
wow, an impressive list and depressing too. thanks, i think...
Tl;dr
Facts = Amazing
…..and Shrike runs and hides.
I thought it was Hitler's second coming? Why would immigrants want to go come her we are horrible right?
Boy, you are a special idiot
Actually, they are exactly what we needed to stop anti-Constitutional, anti-America/American culture, and anti free market people like the neocons and establishment that are trying to take us down! How can you see how we were being destroyed by open borders and say something so silly? The gaslighting stops.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Yes, I look at Goetz and immediately think Bush.
If Fiona hates 'em, they gonna be GREAT.
This
Read em and weep.
Yes
My immediate conclusion when I saw the byline.
Yeah, I came here late to say fuck the Fiona-bot. I guess Koch Industries has not updated their AI, and we see the same "immigration good, borders bad" poorly written tripe.
“Noem, who served for eight years in the House of Representatives before becoming governor of South Dakota in 2019, has scant immigration policy experience at the federal level”
Yet she will be a million times better than Mayorkas. Fiona is a fucking open border nutcase, and an obvious idiot. There needs to be a podcast event where the ‘Reason Roundtable’ is joined by some of us in the commentariat (excluding the leftist filth that infest the comments) for a debate.
They would be destroyed of course. Which is why they’ll never do it. But it would be fun, if for nothing else than to have Fist participate. So he can accurately point out that he subjected the Roundtable to a lively fisting.
I vote Cyto. He hits just about every point that needs to be said
thread winner -
I read that in Tony the Tiger’s voice.
Yup. The horror of appointing people who think Immigration Law already on the books should be followed. In case the twit wasn't paying attention, this election was all about blowing up what DC has been doing to us. Expecting the 10-15 Million illegals that Biden flooded our country with to go back to their country of origin and apply to enter in a legal way is just what America voted for.
"Trump's Immigration Picks Are Terrible. An administration staffed by Stephen Miller, Thomas Homan, and Kristi Noem will be punitive and authoritarian on this issue."
Terrible for who?
The criminals, terrorists and those invaded our country illegally and have infectious diseases?
They look darn good to me
and Kristi sounds like a Trumpette.
EVERYHING is TERRIBLE and UNFAIR!
Yeah, but they invaded our country at a lower rate than native-born Americans... Or something.
They're terrible picks if you don't want immigration laws enforced. That last bit went unstated.
Stephen Miller seriously creeps me out. If re-incarnation is real, then his previous life ended swinging from a rope after Nuremberg. Seriously F that guy.
Watch one of his speeches during a Trump campaign event. He is the guy behind the scenes whispering “they are poisoning the blood of our country” to Trump. America is for Americans Hurr Durrr
I don’t know who hurt him when he was growing up, but this dude has a lot of hate and is not seeing a therapist. His therapy is probably listening to recordings of the separated kids in detention centers crying….or his fantasy. Hard to say with him. He is a sociopath.
Are you sure you're a lawyer?
No grasshopper , he is not.
People living in high crime neighborhoods know perfectly well the effect the availability of Fentanyl has on their communities and oftentimes their families.
Are you sure you won't be deported under Stephen Miller?
Absolutely sure.
Yes. I'm sure you care so much. How many illegals have you taken in btw? Sure your support. Hide them in your basement. Provide for them.
Modern day underground railroad.
Yes.
Now are you sure you're a lawyer? Your comment in the roundup points to no.
^never hire this guy to be your lawyer
I'm positive I won't because I'm legally in the country. Biden didn't fly me in under the radar from Syria and drop me on a small town in Iowa or Kansas.
He's as much a lawyer as Sarc.
Wait he's the one with hate? Not the he's Hitler crowd or the cancel thankgiving crowd?
Where were you when Obama did all you just discussed?
Homan gave the best answer - families can be deported too.
Also, if you commit a crime and put in jail aren't you seperated from your family?
Keep projecting your feelings onto others. It's such a good look
People keep comparing Trump’s words to Hitler because ITS THE SAME WORDS and in this case, Trump’s words are fed to him from Stephen Miller (former communications director!)
I asked you hitler youth to watch some of his speeches during the campaign. He works up the crowd into a slobbering lather with images of random things to remind them just how dirty and evil the immigrants are (vermin ring a fucking bell?) so they shout with him AMERICA IS FOR AMERICANS AND AMERICANS ONLY!!!!
If he didn’t get his clues from watching German propaganda films under Hitler then its just a very strange coincidence. Or a series of ‘strange’ coincidences. At some point, its no longer a coincidence. Its deliberate and its disgusting. He is a disgusting person and you shills for him are disgusting people for supporting him.
If he could legally string up a Mexican and beat them like a pinata with a baseball bat spilling their blood onto the MAGA stage he would have done so.
Anyone who compares Trump to Hitler is an idiot. Congratulations.
Anyone who defends Trump’s use of Hitleresque language, rhetorical techniques, and demagoguery should wear a brown shirt.
Perhaps a concrete example would help people understand your point. I haven't heard any.
The people who don't defend everything he says and does understand my point perfectly.
That’d be the people who want open borders, biological boys in girl’s sport, and expanding deficits. Right?
translation:
You said what about what? Oh, well that means you believe all these other things that I'm going to argue against. What, you don't support all those other things? Come on, don't you know that ideas come in packages? If you believe this then you believe these other things I like to argue against. If you say you don't then you're a liar and I'm going to continue to argue against those things anyway because I tell you what you believe.
Ideas!
I feel your pain, loser.
That's because you stuck your rifle up your ass. I didn't have anything to do with it.
How do you know whether or not that’s physically possible?
Kinky.
Spy cam. This guy gets his guns really dirty before he cleans them.
Can somebody make this make sense?
No. But I did bookmark.
Bookmarked.
You all want it both ways, as always. You want to reserve the right to use whatever foul disgusting language that you wish, but you also want to demand that no one ever criticize you for that foul disgusting language. That is the ultimate entitlement mentality.
A lot of “you” in that post. Not following the sarc style guide.
Abolish the Reason policies
More evidence he is not a lawyer.
"...People keep comparing Trump’s words to Hitler because ITS THE SAME WORDS and in this case, Trump’s words are fed to him from Stephen Miller (former communications director!)..."
TDS-addled steaming piles of shit post stuff like this.
Stuff your TDS up your ass, fuck-face; your head wants company. And then make your family proud; fuck off and die.
Coming from you, that is a ringing endorsement.
Reasons immigration into a welfare state policy is terrible.
Exactly which of their policies isn't terrible these days?
Guns. Even the worst of them is pretty consistent 2A despite sounding like they've never handled a firearm.
“Trump’s Immigration Picks Are Terrible. An administration staffed by Stephen Miller, Thomas Homan, and Kristi Noem will be punitive and authoritarian on this issue.”
Good. It's about time this issue was taken seriously.
More like terrific.
Yes so terrible that an Americans First policy supported by 60-70% of Americans (not just voters) and majorities of ALL major (D R I) alignments support!
So I heard a conversation on NPR the other day, trying to estimate how fast the Trump admin could do their 'mass deportation' if they really put their mind to it. And since it was NPR, they were probably overestimating, so as to cast Trump in a more negative light. And according to this conversation, they claimed that they could deport 1 million within just the first hundred days.
I find that rather implausible, I don't think they are possibly organized enough to do something like that at that kind of scale.
But, if they could somehow pull off a mass deportation at that type of rate, or something approaching that rate, it would necessarily entail breaking the law and violating their due process rights. Some of the people that they will deport will undoubtedly be naturalized citizens, or have legal status, or have a case pending in immigration or asylum proceedings that has not yet been adjudicated. But to reach those types of deportation rates, ICE will just deport them all regardless, and then let them try to complain after the fact.
1 million within just the first hundred days.
But, if they could somehow pull off a mass deportation at that type of rate, or something approaching that rate, it would necessarily entail breaking the law and violating their due process rights.
It would be interesting to see how the countries they came from would deal with 1 million residents suddenly showing up. Imagine all that economic growth...
It's interesting how, from Slavery to Native Americans and Manifest Destiny to The Mormon Wars to Japanese Internment even up to Gitmo, unlawful combatants, and dronessassination, people manage to snatch "due process" out of the ether like it's a golden fleece. Rather than recognizing, for them to do that, it's obviously just the smallest, barest of fig leafs that they can't seem to figure out how to arrange to hide the fact that their ass is hanging out.
Just stamping out license plates for the caravans of food trucks will double the GDP.
Well, we’re gonna find out, Jeff. Your side took things way too far, and now it needs to be corrected.
Maybe you should have been in favor of limiting the number of people who could come in, but you weren’t.
Not sorry this is happening to you. Haha.
"Not sorry this is happening to you. Haha."
Everyone should append this to all their responses to Chemjeff. Every single one.
Not sorry this is happening to you. Haha.
Yes, not sorry in the least. Fuck you and the jackass you rode in on, Jeffy.
Jeff was told just this morning there are 1.5M with final deportation orders already.
And you didn't cite your claim there either.
What is the citation and link for your claim?
Of those with final deportation orders, how many are ineligible to be legally deported? How many cannot be sent back to their country of origin because that country's government won't accept them?
Why don't you try to provide some actual factual information instead of just demanding that we accept your claims at face value?
Dumbass, if they have those orders, odds are lawyers and a judge made sure they can be deported first. And if that country’s government won’t take them, then not our problem. They can sit at one of those country’s airports or docks for all I care.
"odds are"
So you don't have facts, got it.
I have heard this figure was 1.5 million, I have also heard that this figure was 1 million. Who is right? Do you have an authoritative source for this?
Google is your friend, dip.
So shrill and desperate. Parsing every little thing.
Seethe harder you fat bitch. You lost big. And we’re going to collect.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-considering-halting-federal-grants-police-decline-conduct-mass-d-rcna177541
That wasn't hard jeff.
You're right it wasn't hard. Why didn't Jesse provide that link from the outset?
So we still don’t know how many of those 1.5 million individuals are non-deportable.
Should be zero. If the invader's country of origin won't take them back, not our problem.
It is the government’s problem, since the migrant is in the government’s custody. The government has some minimal duty of care for that migrant.
I just want some further context and explanation behind this 1.5 million figure. It defies logic to think that all these people are just sitting around for no reason whatsoever.
And no, they are not 'invaders'.
Oh, but yes they are. Your interpretation is irrelevant. Ours is relevant.
So seethe harder you fat bitch, you lost big.
I can't speak for Jesse, so I'm not going to.
"So we still don’t know how many of those 1.5 million individuals are non-deportable."
Do you see why that might be a problem to even normal people who don't have a strong opinion about immigration and border control?
I'm not going to be affected directly by mass deportation, I'm a citizen.
(Except of course by the second-order effects that your team demands be inflicted upon the nation, such as further erosion of our civil liberties, higher taxes to pay for all the bullshit deportation theater, etc.)
So all the 'fuck you's' directed at me won't make a difference. They should really be directed at the people who are going to be deported. More importantly, they should be directed at the people who are going to be wrongly deported.
Please, tell them 'fuck you'.
No Jeffy, fuck you.
Why don't you go to the immigrants themselves and yell 'fuck you' directly to their faces. Again they are the ones who are going to be most impacted by your policies, not me.
They’re illegal immigrants you lying faggot.
Because they're cowards. Duh.
Shut up, you drunk bitch. You’re too much of a coward to even shoot an unarmed woman in the back, yet you applaud it.
How often do you leave alms at the foot of the Saint Babbitt statue at your Church of Trump?
I feel your pain, loser.
Every time you do this I lose a little more respect for you.
Maybe stop defending Ashli Babbitt's aggression.
I’ve got zero respect for people who insist on bringing her up as a distraction, especially whenever there’s an article about police behaving badly. Yet you never say a peep about them disrespecting her memory like that. So fuck you and fuck your respect. I don't need it.
@jeff: I haven't said too much about her except to point out that the armed agents (officers?) on her side of the door didn't feel she was enough of a threat to have their guns trained on her, let alone shoot her.
@sarc: There's a massive difference between them pointing out yours and others fucking hypocrisy when it comes to cops shooting unarmed people and mocking people killed by the state. And make no mistake, in your hysterical screeds where you do this, you are absolutely mocking both and it's plainly obvious. Fuck you.
You still have any left for him?
“Ashli Babbit’s aggression”
And there it is. You’re just another democrat murderer. Just too much of a pussy to go out and kill the trigger yourself.
No Fatfuck. We’re talking about illegals, not immigrants. So stop doing that. We will just slap you down and correct you.
That is a shame. I would keep 3 random Mexicans to get rid of you.
Also, just to point out one more time to the mouth-breathers around here.
My preferred policy when it comes to spending and immigration, is that the government spends very little on immigration, at least relative to today. They should spend enough for checks at the border to see if migrants are wanted criminals or very sick, they should spend enough to hand out work permits to everyone who wants them and who passes the border checks, and they should spend enough for the enforcement necessary to catch the 'bad hombres' trying to sneak across the border. But it would take far fewer resources to do that because the peaceful people who are now currently sneaking across would happily use the streamlined border checkpoint system instead. Oh and since they would not be abusing the asylum system - since there is no need to do so, with the streamlined border checkpoint system - there would be far less money spent on bennies for those awaiting asylum hearings.
It is Team Red that insists on spending exorbitant amounts on not just border security, but on the migrants themselves. By clamping down harder on the free migration of peaceful people, you are guaranteeing that more people will be abusing the asylum system. By insisting that the border patrol hassle every peaceful migrant and throw them in a cage, you are demanding that the state spend far more on feeding and housing the migrants at least temporarily. It is Team Red that wants to spend exorbitant amounts on migrants, not libertarians.
My preferred policy when it comes to spending and immigration is whatever Democrat strawman they feel like arguing against, not anything you actually say.
You to should hook up, Maybe have shrike bring his CP.
I’ll bet if Pedo Jeffy and Shrike gave Sarc some booze that he would let them spitroast him.
And let's send the first 500,000 to your town.
Now, how do you like it?
Thought so!
If 500,000 peaceful migrants came to my town in pursuit of opportunities, that would be completely fine with me. Of course there would be 'growing pains' as more infrastructure would have to be built to accommodate them. But we would have the benefit of their talents and labor in the town, and everyone in the town would have the benefit of selling goods and services to them. It would all work out in the end.
How do I know it would all work out in the end? Because that is exactly what happened in the case of Phoenix. Their population went from about 100k to about 600k in the span of 20 years, from 1950 to 1970. It wasn't a disaster, it wasn't a crisis, of course there were growing pains, but in the end the Republic did not fall and everyone was more or less better off as a result.
You really are an idiot.
1. That was over 20 years, not 20 hours or 20 minutes.
2. The people coming to Phoenix either had jobs or were starting businesses, coming in as US citizens.
3. Why do you think a bunch of illegal aliens with no skills and no desire to start businesses arriving in under 20 hours will be the same as skilled US citizens arriving over 20 years?
1. That was over 20 years, not 20 hours or 20 minutes.
Yes, and?
2. The people coming to Phoenix either had jobs or were starting businesses, coming in as US citizens.
How do you know that? I am quite sure at least some of the 500,000 people who migrated to Phoenix were lazy deadbeats who didn't have jobs. For that matter, how do you know that migrants coming here don't have jobs and don't start businesses?
Once again you demonstrate that you really do regard migrants as inferior people relative to US citizens.
3. Why do you think a bunch of illegal aliens with no skills and no desire to start businesses
How do you know they have no skills and no desire to start businesses? The day laborers who hang out at Home Depot etc., I think we would call them 'freelancers' in any other context.
You really do think that illegal migrants just show up here to rape children and collect welfare, don't you? (Oh, and also eat cats.)
They are just terrible, horrible, inferior people, aren't they?
arriving in under 20 hours will be the same as skilled US citizens arriving over 20 years?
Who said 500,000 people would arrive in 20 hours?
It took less than two years for Greg Abbott to move over 100,000 illegal immigrants to various leftist sanctuary cities.
https://www.npr.org/2024/02/20/1232651088/texas-has-spent-over-148-million-busing-migrants-to-other-parts-of-the-country
And that's just from one border state over two years. It only took one busload for Martha's Vineyard to become xenophobic.
Not xenophobic. They didn't immediately have the resources to deal with a sudden increase in migrants. There is a difference.
Interesting that you bring this up. Many people around here, before the election, accused Biden of deliberately transporting migrants to swing states in order to try to manipulate the vote in those places. But maybe it was Abbott who was actually trying to use migrants to manipulate the vote, by trying to predictably generate a backlash against the migrants and against Democrats. How many of those busloads went to swing states? Hmm I wonder.
Really? The fact that the virtue-signaling clowns in MV did not have the resources to absorb a few bus-loads of immigrants without disrupting their tidy community is exactly the point. If they walked their talk at all they would have accepted whatever happened as those new arrivals tried to survive, from shanty towns to petty theft, and all the "adjustments" the residents needed to make.
Fuck them and you.
One of the richest places on earth (if not the richest) didn't have the resources to deal with 50 immigrants? That's what you're going with now?
And you don't see how that proves their point?
Oh, and this is a description of the immigrant that is profiled in the article that you linked, "J."
Does this sound like a guy who is a gangbanger, raping children, eating cats, sponging off welfare? No. He's just an ordinary guy doing ordinary things.
Pedo Jeffy, you lost, and we won. We won big. A large part of that victory was because of Democrat’s open borders obsession. Democrats like you.
American citizens have spoken. And we don’t want what your kind have to offer. So you can cry and be a little whiny cunt all you want.
The illegals are going to be sent home. So seethe harder you fat bitch.
Define mass deportation. Mass is the left's new key word. What is it ? Put a number on it. When does deportation because mass?
I hope NPR is defunded
Define mass deportation. Mass is the left’s new key word.
lol
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce9z0lm48ngo
Btw idiot - by all estimates there are over 1 million people that have deportation orders already that have not left. They already had due process.
Love the "naturalized citizens or legal status". Then they aren't illegal are they?
Speaking, where is entering illegal and not being a citizen required due process? Can you point that out? Last I checked, citizens are the one with the rights except in your imagination land.
You proved your brain dead by listening to NPR. You just want an echo chamber.
One of the points of the critique, is that whenever there is any sort of large scale deportations, they make mistakes and wind up deporting people who aren't supposed to be deported. Furthermore, a lot of you are quite happy deporting people who shouldn't be deported because they have legal status, such as Haitians in Springfield.
Here is one such case of a citizen who was wrongfully deported.
https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/us-citizen-wrongfully-deported-mexico-settles-his-case-against-federal-government
Here is another case.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/u-s-citizen-mistakenly-put-deportation-proceedings-finally-returns-america-n1130001
Here is one such case of a citizen who was wrongfully deported.
Trump defenders give as many shits about innocent people being deported as police defenders give when some innocent person is jailed or killed by the police. In fact there would be a lot of overlap if that was made into a Venn diagram. Authoritarians will always defend authority.
Your kind didn’t give a shit I’m the first place. Any such problems are YOUR fault. Just like how every time someone like Laken Riley is murdered it’s YOR fault.
30,000 innocent people are killed on highways every year.
Why aren’t you advocating for banning autos?
Because Sarc hates America, and a Trump in particular. So he’s excited for anything that hurts America. Like open borders.
Haitians already here can stay under TPS, bc we're sorry their country is such a S-hole, but the emphasis is on the T. It is not an immigrant visa
Too bad. If you’re concerned over such things, maybe you shouldn’t have illegally brought them all here in the first place. We’re just cleaning up your mess.
So seethe harder you fat bitch. You lost big.
citizens are the one with the rights
I am aware that this is what Republicans believe.
Authoritarians believe that rights are given by government, not inherent in our humanity.
There are two different rights. Right to life is inherently human. Right to live in the USA is not a human right, it is granted by the owners of the property - the citizens through their elected representatives.
Likewise, the right to medical attention cannot be a human right since it imposes an obligation on another - forced labor, sometimes called slavery.
Right to live in the USA is not a human right, it is granted by the owners of the property – the citizens through their elected representatives.
That’s what I would call collectivist thinking.
If someone has been granted permission by their landlord to live at their home, has been granted permission by their employer to work, and has been granted permission by vendors to buy stuff, then who the hell are you to tell them they can’t do any of that because they don’t have proper government papers?
Likewise, the right to medical attention cannot be a human right since it imposes an obligation on another – forced labor, sometimes called slavery.
If you’ve got a problem with hospitals that accept Medicare being forced by government to give services without compensation, take it up with Saint Reagan.
The if is doing a lot of work to defend your lack of education. Most of the illegals, even ones with work permits, don't have jobs.
Hospitals do not on fact have to care for people unless they choose to take government funds under EMTALA.
Is your entire political view based on being retarded and uninformed?
it is granted by the owners of the property – the citizens through their elected representatives.
Tell me you're a communist without telling me you're a communist.
That ain't communism, friend.
What it isn't is egalitarian, what it is is what you would expect of a republic.
LOFuckingL
1. That's not communism. How do you guys continue to call people fascists and mock others who call people communist and then turn around and use the words incorrectly?
2. The only way the system you advocate for works is without borders/governments. The second you acknowledge that any given government controls a specific geographic region they, by definition, get to decide who comes and goes.
3. It is the peak of hilarity that you, of all people, are giving anybody here shit for collectivization.
1. That’s not communism.
Literal communism is collective ownership of everything. If you really think "the citizens through their elected representatives" rightfully own all the property, then that is communism.
But that is the only way that you can pretend that restrictive immigration laws are consistent with property rights - by pretending that who really owns all the property is the people (communism) or the government (socialism), and that when they decide they don't want more foreigners here, they are really just exercising authority over 'their property'. Well guess what, that is a massive abrogation of property rights instead.
2. The only way the system you advocate for works is without borders/governments.
No, that is not true. A permissive immigration system only requires that the government CHOOSES to recognize borders as what they have historically meant - the extent of the sovereign's jurisdiction. That's it. For most of human history, there were 'open borders', and peaceful people crossing a border only meant that they were now subject to the laws of a different sovereign. It is only in modern times that governments have expanded their coercive authority and decided to treat borders as if they are prison walls, to try to keep people out (or in). The government doesn't have to make that choice.
So no, so-called 'open borders' is not the same as 'no borders'.
Jeffy, stop being a lying cunt. You’re a Marxist. Case closed. And you lost. So you need to just suck it up and learn to obey.
And you’re free to seethe all you want. You fat worthless bitch. But no matter how you try to scream and lie, your precious illegals are getting deported and the rule of just law is being restored.
We’re aware that the constitution means nothing to a neo Marxist Sorosite like you.
NPR, ppfffttt
Controversial—and cruel—episodes dotted his tenure i quit reading at that line
No nothing cruel about separating kids from trafficers to determine if they are theirs or not
also all the controversies were all contrived by the left and their hatred of anyone other than their tribe
Fiona, I already voted for him and he already won.
You do not have to keep selling him.
These people will never understand that they are the reason Trump won everything.
It turns out that if one party considers it "racist" to enforce a border, voters will support a candidate from the other party - even if they know he's a jerk and a creep.
#OpenBordersIsElectoralPoison
Is this your new postion on why Trump won. Because you were well in the he is the worst candidate for this very reason.
To clarify, I am not trying to be a jerk about. Just curious.
Be a jerk about it. She's a fucking hack.
Harris/Waltz 2024 Sandra.
A hack?
That is a strange criticism for a random poster, on a lightly traveled website message board, who had an opinion, and has been pretty clear that it was only her opinion.
Not like she's paid to write articles or to prognosticate for political candidates or anything.
It's a fair question.
Recall that when Trump clinched the nomination, it was assumed he'd run against Biden. I thought Trump was a uniquely terrible choice to contrast with Biden's age.
I also thought Trump's legal issues (regardless of their merits) would remind swing voters of the constant drama, the 'circus' atmosphere that characterized Trump's first term. Making them reluctant to vote for him even if they rated him better on the economy or the border.
After Biden bombed the debate and they swapped in Harris, I acknowledged that was one of the nightmare scenarios for Democrats that might actually negate Trump's manifest weaknesses. Although I gave him lower odds than a lot of the betting sites. In the weeks before the election I figured he had 30% or 40% chance of winning.
The circus atmosphere came from the non-stop attempts to delegitimize Trump
Which will now be the standard for most every Republican candidate.
It also helps a LOT. That Ronna McDaniel was forced out of the RNC and the co chairs actually did a good job. Specially with countering democrat election fraud shenanigans.
An administration staffed by Stephen Miller, Thomas Homan, and Kristi Noem will be punitive and authoritarian on this issue.
OK. Would you prefer the lines between you and their punitive authoritarianism to be real and durable, even physically impenetrable, or imaginary?
Fiona, I already voted for Trump. You don't have to convince me more.
Again Fiona, beside crying what have you actually done to help illegal immigrants? Put a sign up while others suffer?
Why don't you and plug come to the Texas border.
Prob bought them a pizza.
The Trump administration separated thousands of children from their families, and many of them still haven't been reunited.
LOL! So we should've vote for the Border Czar of the administration that's been unable to reunify them for the past 4 years?!
I guess the illegal immigrants that got separated and were unable to find each other for 8 yrs... in the GPS/smartphone age... weren't going to be the captains of innovation and industry we were told they'd be.
Imagine backing the policy that even immigrants look at and say, "That's how you get shit holes."
They also forgot that the separation of families occurred under Obama.
Democrats did it first, that makes it ok.
Apparently
1) If the only time you complain about a policy is when the other side does it you are nothing but a hypocrite.
2) If you thought the policy was acceptable when your side did it it is acceptable when the other side does it.
All he has is preemptive whataboutism. And cheap hooch.
Forcefully taking immigrant parents away from crying children is one of the few things the current crop of Trump defenders consistently praise about the Obama administration. They defend it by claiming critics are merely appealing to emotion, and that that's just what happens to criminals. Taking pleasure from this shows the depth of their moral depravity. I’ve been critical of it no matter who did it.
Did you complain about the policy when it was Obama's? If you didn't you are simply a hypocrite.
Furthermore there are valid reasons for the policy ( for example many of the children were not even related to the people claiming them as family). You never actually address why a policy that is designed to take children away from human traffickers is cruel. You merely spout a bumper sticker slogan and expect to be taken seriously. Sorry that doesn't work.
Don’t worry Drunky. You democrats made a gigantic mess. But we will clean it up.
As usual.
They describe a problem that must be solved by a punishing, militaristic government—an approach that will inevitably tear apart families, face legal challenges, and incur a hefty price tag.
That's like softcore porn for xenophobes.
News flash, a number of them aren’t families. They’re trafficked kids being used for other, usually nefarious reasons. Ask your buddy Jeffy how they’re used. Ask Shrike.
Shocking. Democrat screams xenophobia because they can't make an intelligent argument.
You’re like an insult comic minus the humor (humor is funny because it contains at least a grain of truth, which your comments lack).
Ideas™ !
And booze
You've shown over and over here you understand comedy less than Hannah Gatsby.
Cope harder, Fiona.
Given the news this week, if I sat in on a Reason staff meeting, I bet I could make most of them cry. Especially Sullum, Boehm and Lancaster. Probably not Liz, she seems a little tougher than the rest.
Whinge and mewl - what a shame - we are finally going to put some TEETH into the process of turning the Mayorkas/Biden/Cartel RICO conspiracy around and stop the human and drug trafficking business the conspiracy is involved in. I just drip with worry that illegal immigrants - lawbreakers, i.e. criminals, who have gamed the "asylum" process after training by the NGOs how to circumvent the law - might be inconvenienced by having to be thrown on their butts back across the border.
And oh, what a shame that they might just be separated from families that they were never entitled to be joined with, against immigration law, while acting as drug mules and agents of the cartels as a condition of being smuggled across the border. Yeah, I might lose sleep over their inconvenience. Shall we next ship a load of My Pillows to all the prisons in the US so that murderers and rapists have a nice soft spot to lay their heads? No wonder we have a country that has been an insane asylum for the last 4 years.
If Fiona the globalist regime bootlicker is screeching you know you've knocked it out of the the park.
I still think Fiona is a Koch open borders bot.
A creation of AS (Artificial Stupidity)
Thank goodness! I appreciate the reassurance.
immigration without welfare. look it up. until then deport, baby, deport. it has NOTHING to do with race or culture. it is a simple numbers game and resources and capacities. NO nation could absorb the hordes
"Trump's Immigration Picks Are Terrible"
They're a lot better than we've had for the past 4 years!
They're terrible for the illegals. That's bad news for slumlords and human traffickers and Reason. I consider it quite good news for me and mine.
Over 4 million U.S. citizen kids live with at least one undocumented parent, the Congressional Research Service estimated in 2022.
Well the two parents will have to work out who takes the kid, unless the kid was not born here, in which case, deport the bugger. After all, we wouldn’t want to separate a family.
What's often overlooked is that the hordes coming over the border make it harder for those with legitimate reasons to legally immigrate to be let in. That's why so many legal immigrants voted for Trump - they want their own family to be allowed to come here before the unknown crowds.
What’s often overlooked is that the hordes coming over the border make it harder for those with legitimate reasons to legally immigrate to be let in.
Maybe, just maybe, the government shouldn't be trying to decide what is a 'legitimate reason' or not.
Idiot, that’s part of a government’s job. Let’s see you cross the 49th just to move to the other country for the hell of it.
Then get the constitution changed. Until then, fuck off. America has sovereign borders and citizenship.
The way birthright citizenship is interpreted is absolute nonsense. We don't have this issue of family separations without blanket citizenship given to every child born on US soil or if mixed status parents are married.
If both parents are citizens of a foreign nation they can not reasonably confer US citizenship on their children. If one or both are at least legally in the process of becoming a citizen then I would grant it (though no deportation protection for the illegal immigrant parent.)
This mess is being created intentionally. No sympathy for people trying to force or glitch their way in.
Enforcing national immigrations laws are punitive? What's next, not prosecuting theft and rioting?
https://tinyurl.com/rsmmsr November 11, 2024, CityWatch, The Folly of Mandates, by Richard Lee Abrams
One of the quickest ways for Mexicans to abandon Trump is breaking up Mexican families. The Mexicans are not a problem. They have truly helped build this country and have served in all our wars, even when they were illegal. Remember, The American West was “Mexican owned” for more centuries that it has been part of the USA.
Also, there is no such group as Latinx or Latino. It is a term used by people who know nothing. Trump proved this in Arizona where has asked the crowd which was heavily Mexican, whether they would prefer Latino or Hispanic. They overwhelming rejected Latino in favor of Hispanic , but if Trump had asked about Hispanic vs Mexican, they would have chosen Mexican or Mexican-American over Hispanic.
La Raza!
Your heroes.
Oh, the grandiose hubris of thinking one has a mandate!
https://tinyurl.com/rsmmsr November 11, 2024, CityWatch, The Folly of Mandates, by Richard Lee Abrams
Mandate? What do you understand by "rule of law"?
Overstayed your welcome? GTFO.
End the welfare state and we can talk about relaxed borders.
Another problem with Noem is that she’s not competent, which she has demonstrated in South Dakota and it is also clear she’s not ready for prime time (the dog incident).
Just a reminder:
The original family separation policy resulted in the government deliberately creating about 2,000 orphans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_administration_family_separation_policy
If you don't think that deliberately creating orphans is cruel, then there is something wrong with you.
Think about the people who defend this. They know it's cruel. That's precisely why they support it. To be cruel.
More name calling to avoid having an intelligent argument.
Become more pathetic by the day. Glad to see your pretend shift to being moderate is over.
Yes, it was cruel of you and your fellow travelers to encourage these illegals to come here and break our laws. So they’re separated from their parents. Just like every American who is arrested.
This is all your fault. You did this to these kids.
The illegal alien parents caused the kids to be orphaned.
The short skirt caused the woman to get raped.
The woman didn’t commit a crime by wearing a short skirt. The illegal aliens illegally crossing into the US did.
Pedo Jeffy doesn’t believe in borders. Therefore, in his tiny pathetic mind, they don’t exist.
We should jail children along with their parents? What do you think happens to American kids when both parents are jailed?
It's amazing exactly how pri-rape and theft Fiona and other open border zealots are. The crimes perpetrated on the migrants they use in their ignorant political games don't matter to the soulless monsters if the Left.
his worst impulses on immigration policy.
Meaning, having one?
"the South Dakota troops didn't seize any drugs" during their two-month deployment and "had little if anything to do" some days.
Did they stop any border jumpers? Because if they stopped even one, I'm fine with accepting the pretext for sending them.
Homan was an unapologetic proponent of separating migrant families as a deterrent policy
Why should he be apologetic? There's a very simple way for migrant families to stay together on their journey to America: come here legally.
If you can't muster that one basic and simple task, then why should anyone feel apologetic for breaking up bands of criminals and separating them?
undocumented immigrants trying to make an honest living.
You just contradicted yourself.
There is not one single illegal alien who can "make an honest living." By virtue of his status in this country, he is BY DEFINITION making a dishonest living.
Workplace raids will again be on the table
Good. Get 'em where they're most vulnerable. Raid the schools too.
"Of course there is. Families can be deported together." Over 4 million U.S. citizen kids live with at least one undocumented parent
Yep, it's a pretty rotten thing that a border jumping parent does to their kids, and those awful parents are 100% to blame for it.
It only emphasizes the height of our compassion for those kids, that we offer their criminal parent the option of voluntarily leaving with his family, or involuntarily being separated from them. How many nations throughout history have offered criminal aliens that choice?
Miller was behind some of the administration's worst immigration policies. He was an architect of the family separation policy and the ban on travelers from Muslim-majority countries
You said "worst" when you clearly meant "best."
Noem, Homan, and Miller peddle a narrative about immigration that is seemingly devoid of any benefits.
Except for the obvious one of removing all the criminal aliens. That's a HUGE benefit.
They describe a problem that must be solved by a punishing, militaristic government—an approach that will inevitably tear apart families, face legal challenges, and incur a hefty price tag.
All worth it. And don't worry about that price tag. Team DOGE is about to free up a lot of wasted cash.
As Homan said, when Americans are arrested, we automatically separate them from their children.Why should tĥings be different fir illegal aliens?
Ironic she writes for a publication called Reason. I see no evidence of reasoned thought. Just pure emotion and fear of the bogeyman.
Now add "and loves whoring," and you've got ENB.
Or add "and desperately wants a spot on The View," and you've got Sullum.
Or add "is 100% baked out of his gourd every time he writes," and you've got CJ.
Or add, "and hates America with every fiber of his being" and you've got Eric.
Or add "is an unrepentant bigot" and you've got Robby.
Or add "and is a smug, pretentious NPC who never leaves their echo chamber" and you've got Billy. And Emma.
This is a symptom of the disease of coercive government. Until we apply the NAP to government nothing will get better.
God Forbid we have an administration that places legal American citizens first. I thought this was http://www.reason.com and not http://www.DemocratServants.com
Trump's picks are terrible and authoritarian. Because they will enforce immigration law. How awful.
This is why libertarians are becoming less and less relevant. While I do align with many libertarian ideas, they have increasingly disconnected rights from responsibilities. Those things cannot exist separately. Unrestricted immigration would mean that the state is abdicating one of its only legitimate responsibilities: guarding the safety of its citizens. Allowing even vile criminals - and not an insignificant number - to enter with the admittedly decent majority of others AND handing out welfare benefits to ANY immigrant is unacceptable.
If Harrigan wanted to be taken seriously, she wouĺd not have characterized Trump's 90 day admissions delay for nationals of certain countries as a "ban." Trump wanted to keep out terrorists. His first goal was for his team to devise a screen, and then verify the home countries could supply adequate accurate background information. Reading the EO would have been a great first step
The only terrible thing is Biden and Kamala’s disastrous open border policy, which let more than 10 million illegals stream into the country. We all have seen the crime, the overtaxed social services and the massive disruption they have caused. Not to mention an unknown number are potential terrorists. Trump was elected in large part because most Americans do not want open borders. I’m very Libertarian-leaning, but they need to rethink their embrace of open borders.
I wish Trump and his team all the luck in the world. End birthright citizenship. Deport the criminals and potential terrorists. Don’t separate families - deport them all. And deport the tens of thousands of Haitian immigrants Biden and Kamala cruelly used as pawns by dumping them in small towns in red states (a la what Russia and Belarus are trying to do with Poland).
Terrible. Or wonderful. Depends on how you look at it, I guess.
OMG! Trump plans on upholding the LAW???? WTF!?!?! /s
...and preventing foreign invasions?
This is a Libertarian magazine article, it seems better fit in the New Republic or other leftist rags.
I wish Reason was still a libertarian focused magazine.
This article settles it. The Onion bought Reason too.
Deporting illegal farm workers and construction workers is inflationary and unproductive. We need cheap food and more housing. Stick to the criminals and deport them with efficiency. I already hear that criminals are skipping to Canada.