What, If Anything, Will Democrats Learn From This Election?
The party put little effort into understanding the 2016 and 2020 elections, and now it's reaping the consequences.

Votes are still left to be counted, but it is clear by now that former President Donald Trump is once again the president-elect, prevailing over Vice President Kamala Harris in not only the Electoral College but also the popular vote. This marks not only the first time he has ever come close to majority support, but also only the second time since the end of the Cold War that a Republican presidential candidate has won the popular vote.
"Of the counties with nearly complete results, more than 90 percent shifted in favor of former President Donald J. Trump in the 2024 presidential election," The New York Times found on the morning after the election. "Early results showed that even a number of states where Vice President Kamala Harris was ahead had shifted right."
"Trump picked up more votes in every state apart from Utah and Washington," added the Financial Times. "Across the US, the data suggests women, urban voters and the Latino vote did not come through for Harris, while rural areas came out strong for Trump."
With the U.S. Senate also lost and the House very much in peril, Democrats may find themselves in the wilderness yet again. But what lessons will they take from this experience in electoral repudiation? For that matter, will they learn anything?
It's not a foregone conclusion that they will: In the three elections in which Trump has competed, Democrats largely treated him as an existential threat, making a case for his inherent unfitness for office but often forgetting to mount a positive campaign for themselves. And then, after losing to him in 2016—even after beating him in 2020—the party did no apparent soul-searching to determine why voters would pick such an unfit candidate.
Ironically, it's a lesson they could learn from Republicans. In 2012, after losing two presidential elections in a row, Republicans conducted a "full autopsy" on the moribund party and its electoral failures, hoping to determine how to appeal to voters going forward. To compile the report, which was released the following year, the panel conducted conference calls, online surveys, focus groups, and more than 3,000 "group listening sessions."
Democrats, on the other hand, did no such self-inquiry when Trump defeated Hillary Clinton in 2016. "Democrats didn't even attempt to do an autopsy in the wake of 2016, relegating debates about the party's future to places like Twitter and cable news," wrote Jon Favreau, a progressive commentator and former speechwriter for President Barack Obama.
That may not be entirely true. In fact, Democrats tasked then-Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney (D–N.Y.) with compiling an autopsy of the 2016 election, only to then effectively bury it: Maloney presented the report to lawmakers "during a members-only gathering at the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee headquarters" in 2017, Politico reported, but "members were not allowed to have copies of the report and may view it only under the watchful eyes of DCCC staff."
Clinton herself conceded defeat but apparently never quite accepted it. In the months after the election, she blamed her loss on sexism, Russian hacks, then-FBI Director James Comey's late-October announcement that the bureau had reopened its investigation into her use of a private email server…but never herself or her campaign.
True, none of those explanations is without merit. But Russian hackers did not keep Clinton from ever visiting Wisconsin during the general campaign, and Comey's letter did not enable Trump to turn out "a flood of rural and small-town working class voters" in Pennsylvania, as William A. Galston of the Brookings Institute wrote.
Even the 2020 election, when Joe Biden beat Trump by more than 7 million votes, provided an opportunity for reflection. "Democrats…are entitled to a temporary feeling of triumphalism," Ross K. Baker wrote in January 2021, "but there is also cause for them do some reflection on how they should reach out to the tens of millions of voters who rejected them and who are sullen and even rebellious."
Instead, Democrats reacted as if Trump was a comic book supervillain they had banished back to his home planet, never to return.
"Relax, A Trump Comeback In 2024 Is Not Going To Happen," read the headline of a December 2020 piece by Politico's John Harris. "The Trump years were not just a hallucination," Harris wrote. "But chances are they will soon enough come to feel like they were — which won't leave much opportunity to return to real power."
"Donald Trump will never be allowed to step foot in the Capitol again," Lawrence O'Donnell proclaimed on his MSNBC show, days after the incursion on January 6. "Never. Unless he insists on testifying in his own defense in his Senate second impeachment trial."
Indeed, the Capitol riot likely should have marked the end of Trump's political career: Even setting aside his potential culpability, his behavior during the violence sufficiently demonstrated his unfitness for any future returns to the White House.
But given that both Democrats and Republicans failed to convict in his Senate impeachment trial, the only way to keep him from office was to defeat him at the ballot box. Instead, Democrats apparently took Trump's unfitness as so manifestly self-evident that it was not worth interrogating why 74 million people voted for him in 2020, and whether they would do so again.
To be clear, an autopsy by itself can't turn a party's prospects around. One of the GOP report's top-line recommendations was that the party should be more amenable to immigrants, specifically from Latin America: "If Hispanics think we do not want them here, they will close their ears to our policies." Some Republicans were open to it: Just two days after the 2012 election, Fox News host Sean Hannity told his radio audience he had "evolved on" immigration, advocating "a pathway" to citizenship "for those people that are here."
The punchline, of course, is that in the very next election, the party nominated Trump, who began his campaign by calling Mexicans "rapists" and pledging to build a wall on the southern border.
But ironically, Trump's electoral successes have included increasing his share of Hispanic voters: Trump won nearly 30 percent of the Hispanic vote in 2016, which rose to 32 percent in 2020 and an estimated 46 percent in 2024.
A Democratic autopsy of the 2024 election would therefore ask why nearly half of all Hispanic voters would choose Trump over Harris—along with increasing numbers of nearly every other demographic group.
Even at this early juncture, possible explanations abound. Inflation, resulting from COVID-19 pandemic policy and exacerbated by Biden-era spending bills, topped many voters' lists of concerns, and voters who listed the economy as their primary concern picked Trump by a 4-to-1 margin. Joe Biden's insistence on staying in the race amid plummeting poll numbers likely also hindered Harris' ability to course-correct from an unpopular incumbent.
But to reach any sort of conclusion, Democrats will have to ignore their natural instincts to cast blame elsewhere, on disinformation or foreign interference or minor gaffes on the campaign trail. Whether they like it or not, Democrats received a drubbing on Tuesday, and only sincere soul-searching will yield any useful explanations.
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They didn’t hurl enough insults and needed more Hollywood endorsements.
We should all know by now, democrats don’t learn lessons.
Nope, they are a bunch of narcissistic idiots who will continue to scream “racism and sexism!!!”
Joe Scarboro & Al Sharpton already did it. So does misogyny & racism explain why Kamala Harris couldn't get ONE primary vote in 2020?
Blame the sexist white Bernie bros!
They don't get it. Will calling people racists and misogynists make them come to their senses, repent from their ways, and vote Democrat? The Dems have long thought they could insult people into agreeing with them, and after all these years it STILL doesn't work. Obviously, they aren't using enough insults and trotting out enough clueless celebrities.
It does, actually.
She was far too racist and sexist to allow herself to stay in the primary long enough to appear on any ballot.
Best evidence available that sarc is indeed a democrat.
The JeffSarc will be lots of fun over the next several weeks. Even more so when Trump takes office and gets down to business. Every deported illegal will make them have a sad.
They learned that next time, they need to bitch and moan and gripe and blame others and play the race and gender cards much harder.
They don't need to, they already know all.
two. billion. dollars.
You can’t put chicks in charge of that kind of money.
mme. dillinger was demanding evidence KH could keep a checkbook.
I actually have an ex that is even more tightfisted about spending money than I am. If I wanted to avoid spending too much on a major purchase I would set some basic guidelines and let her pull the trigger. She never failed to spend less than I would have. Which was really awesome when I took her engagement ring shopping.
That's probably true. Wimpy Don and his supporters constantly insult people, but they cried like little babies when Biden called them "garbage." They love to dish it out, but can't take it. Maybe if the Harris campaign had taken the low road more often and engaged in more name-calling the voters would have gotten more chances to see Trump supporters throw tantrums and would have grown disgusted with them.
Yeah, more “nazis” and “dictator” would have turned the tables!
but they cried like little babies when Biden called them “garbage.”
I think they embraced it in good fun.
Lot of Trump supporters were wearing hefty bags as ponchos for Halloween. Just like when Biden started referring to some Trump supporters as ‘Ultra MAGA’.
What is hilarious is that Ghatana cannot show evidence of anyone actually, you know, throwing a "temper tantrum" from what Biden said. There were plenty of people who pointed out that this was a Democrat letting the mask slip, but there were no temper tantrums.
But this is a lefty for you- pure projection. Because, HOLY FUCK is tik tok full of temper tantrums from lefties right now.
Exhibit 8,892,741 that they won’t learn a goddamn thing.
Just "garbage"? They called Trump Hitler on a daily basis.
Both politicians copied the same platform, so... don't read either and then act surprised? Heck... Dresdeners acted surprised, but by then they'd run out of options.
"...Wimpy Don and his supporters constantly insult people, but they cried like little babies when Biden called them “garbage.”..."
You are a steaming pile of TDS-addled shit, ain't you?
That wasn't "crying". That was amplifying it as a motivating factor to the same voters who turned out for spite when Hillary called them "deplorable".
The "garbage" line was a drop in the bucket though, after the "Dark Brandon"/"Two Minutes Hate" speech (9/1/22) in Philadelphia where Biden had called trump and his supporters "a threat to this country".
http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/09/01/remarks-by-president-bidenon-the-continued-battle-for-the-soul-of-the-nation/
True that. People just love being called racist and domestic terrorists if they disagree with the ruling class.
That's about it from what I'm reading out of Dems. They keep talking about messaging but that's not the problem. The message is and that is what America rejected.
The message that Harris sent was that Dems have plaitutes where ideas are what's needed. Te rest of the party sends a message that their ideas (at least on economics) haven't changed in decades despite the multitude of instances around the world in which those ideas have failed when tried.
Introspection?
Ha!
In all seriousness, though, ENB's favorite Twitter (X) follow, Matt Yglesias, took a decent shot at starting:
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1854334397157384421
It would be interesting to rudely ask him, or Elizabeth Nolan Brown, to square No. 7 with "Protection For 'Good Samaritan' Blocking and Screening of Offensive Material", because it still seems like they're a couple of retarded cunts who lack awareness and confuse things like 'polite' and 'harmless' with 'good' and 'right'.
Mike Masnick can lead the sheeple to the water of Screening and Blocking of Offensive Content being the 1st Amendment of the Internet, but damned if he can make us drink.
Huh, kind of pleasantly surprising from Mr. Yglesias.
He kind of loses Reason on:
1,3,4,5,6,7,8
Notice no "stop censoring" which he has endorsed prior.
He called biological sex a non-social construct! To the guillotine!
That is a decent enough list. Hard to argue with any of them.
A small disagreement on #3: True, however as long as "prioritize the interests of normal people over antisocial conduct people" doesn't transform into "completely favor normal people at the expense of antisocial conduct people". We libertarians should remember that all human beings have fundamental liberties, and it's too easy for the state to take the person who is behaving badly and just drop him in a cage and throw away the key.
It is funny seeing you and other democrats mimic hamas. You start fights. Burn down cities. Then when you lose power call for a cease fire.
All the same.
It really is unbelievable. Talk about chutzpah.
What, If Anything, Will Democrats Learn From This Election?
What a woman is?
Seems more likely the people staring to the abyss will come to the realization first:
What, If Anything, Will Women Learn From This Election?
What a Democrat is?
They won’t learn a goddamned thing.
Need another scamdemic to facilitate election fortification.
Reposting this here, 'cause this guy gets it:
I have diversified investments and look at them regularly. They have been very well because the stock market is doing fine. The people saying that the economy is fine in Biden's America are basically right, the people who say it's bad are lying morons. Inflation was bad when Biden took office due to all of Trump's profligate spending, Biden probably made it worse during his first year, but it's under control now. I don't really credit much of this to Biden, all he really did was get out of the way so the Fed could do it's job. But I am concerned that the economy will tank if Trump does any of the moronic things he says he wants to do (including ending Fed independence).
There's a lot of other stuff that is just made up, like the "migrant crime wave" that wasn't. I understand people don't like having their concerns dismissed, but when their concerns are total BS then dismissing them is the right thing to do. I think to a great extent liberal pundits are right and much dissatisfaction with the way the country is going has been driven by Trump and his supporters constantly lying and exaggerating.
""Inflation was bad when Biden took office due to all of Trump’s profligate spending, ""
Forget about the Pandemic already?
The people saying that the economy is fine in Biden’s America are basically right, the people who say it’s bad are lying morons.
To be charitable - the "bad" part is inflation, and high inflation is worse than other negative economic indicators because it affects everyone, and its effects linger for a long time. So it's not lying to emphasize the inflation part.
There’s a lot of other stuff that is just made up, like the “migrant crime wave” that wasn’t. I understand people don’t like having their concerns dismissed, but when their concerns are total BS then dismissing them is the right thing to do.
This is the part that I have difficulty reconciling with Team Red. There IS a lot of bullshit out there in the right-wing media bubble, and they seemingly insist that the government take their bullshit concerns seriously just because they have the power of numbers. I firmly believe that if the government is going to do something, it should have *some* rational basis upon which to justify its action. And as a libertarian I'm going to insist that this rational basis have some necessary connection to preserving and protecting liberty.
Bye Felicia.
It’s over. GTFO. Everyone knows you’re just a neo Marxist pedophilia enthusiast in a libertarian blubber suit.
You’re done pinko.
Accurate.
I will hammer him with that description until the end of time. Or preferably his premature death due to co-morbidities related to his extreme obesity and sedentary lifestyle.
Listen to you. Your portfolio is up. Of course you think things are going great. Mine was up too, until I moved much of it to real estate. Most of the voters whom the Dems lost this election don’t have portfolios. Food, gas, housing are up more than their wages are. If they still have jobs. You don’t think illegal immigration is bad, because of the downward pressure on your gardener’s wages due to the flood of illegals. And you don’t have them taking over apartment buildings in your part of town. And probably don’t have daughters forced out of sports because they now have to compete with biological males in sports. Or face having them in their bathrooms.
Face it. You live a comfortable existence, likely in a comfortable, safe, part of town. Much of the country do not. And a lot of them voted for Trump as a result.
Yes.
The simple explanation: They (Team D elites) have eyes that do not see, ears that do not hear, their hearts are hard and unforgiving.
They don't have a clue of what reality is for the lowest 60% of this society. What is worse, they lack the introspective capacity to find out.
This is exactly why Dems lost. The Stock market is great, people with locked in Interest rates on low mortgages are doing OK.
But for the workign class americans who don't own anything, who live paycheck to paycheck, the economy is DEFINITELY NOT OK. The people lecturing them are basically saying if you'd stop being poor and opwn some stocks, you'd be doing great right now.
The party that claims to fight income inequality spent the last 3 years sayign the economy is great, and had hundreds of out of touch millionaire celbrities lecture them on how Kamala could save Abortion rights in Arkansas, while they were literally worried about making rent.
"I have diversified investments and look at them regularly..."
5 bucks is easy to track, asshole. FOAD.
The people who say the economy is "fine" under Biden are affluent.
The people saying that it's terrible are the kind of people that the Dem party and "progressives" have claimed to be trying to protect for decades.
Not to mention that the "profligate spending" which caused so much of the surging inflation was actually the doing of the Dem majority in Congress and their allies in the media helping them to cajole anyone who questioned the need for so much of it as wanting to "leave people to die in the streets" from Covid; while anyone who questioned the need for the protracted lockdowns which made that spending allegedly necessary was denounced as wanting to "sacrifice granny in the name of the economy" (not that they admitted that there was any age-correlated difference in the risks associated with Covid even when the data was painfully clear on that). The only criticism that any Dem had for the $Trillions of money-printing inflation fuel in the CARES Act and other "emergency" pandemic spending was that it should have been at least double what it ended up being. Even Harris herself made a point of claiming credit for that particular chunk of spending and claimed that it was more or less forced onto the trump administration in a major "win" for the republic.
The only significant thing that Biden did to reduce inflation in any way was to shrink the size of his "infrastructure package" and reduce "build back better" by half when he re-named it the "Inflation Reduction Act". If Biden had been allowed to do the amount of spending that he claimed to have wanted in his first year, the inflation spike might have hit 15% instead of topping out at 9%, which is a bit miraculous considering how much money the Fed printed relative to GDP in the span of 2 years during 2020-2021.
"It's ok, they did it first."
Ideas™ !
Broken autistic drunk.
There really is t anything artistic about him.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
How are the Democrats going to learn that when they’re the ones doing it first, as you so helpfully point out on every article?
"What, If Anything, Will Democrats Learn From This Election?"
Narcissists do not engage in introspection.
According to my local paper: White women failed Harris, "some" people of color will be impacted by the Trump blowout, some rando is no longer confident in her own country and... they outsourced an op ed to someone who seems to at least understand the bullet points.
some rando is no longer confident in her own country and
Vance was wrong. I see endless videos of women in tears swearing to all 6 of their TikTok followers that they're done with even moderate men and marriage, incredulous that it could come to this, bewildered as to whether we'll survive the next four years, questioning how they're supposed to show up for work, let alone be expected to bring a kid into this world... and I have yet to see a single cat in any of them.
cats hide when banshees are afoot.
No cats, but tons of pussies.
Funny how with democrats it’s always someone else’s fault. Maybe they’ll send out Obama and a bunch of entertainers again to lecture black men and Hispanics about their indentured servitude to the democrat plantation.
So much for all the talk about defending democracy. When they are outvoted by 5 million people, they blame the voters?
“With the U.S. Senate also lost and the House very much in peril, Democrats may find themselves in the wilderness yet again.”
House results currently 210 R + 11 yet to be called that are leaning that way; trifecta inbound. Those damned uneducated white women!
I blame the electoral college!
/rosie O’Donnell
But college graduates broke in favor of Kamalalala. WTF??
After Trump wins by five million votes………
I believe she said "I blame the electrical college". I guess Rosie O'Pumpkinhead hates electricians for some reason
If the last two days' worth of opinions in the Times are any indication, the answer is no, they will learn nothing. Apparently Harris' loss is just further evidence that white men are racist and sexist, while nonwhite men are just sexist. Women are idiots who vote against their own interests. I'm sure there are some other choice nuggets of wisdom buried in there.
Taibbi linked to a Slate article about bad white sexist men, and I clicked because I was stoned as fuck and wanted to laugh. The simultaneous displays of desperation and hubris melted my brain.
I'm starting to understand how a partisan Democrat could believe the Russians inexplicably know how to influence American voters so strongly. There's no way a rational person would conclude that domestically produced opinions at left leaning sites could convince anyone to align with their party's member or politicians.
Agree with everything you posted; I also wonder if the legacy media has gone off the rails because they see they are imploding, hemorrhaging money, and have mostly lost all relevance? I suppose arrogance + fear of losing their influence and cushy jobs can do that to you.
They are already back to Trump Russia.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/russia-russia-russia-again-bob-woodward-claims-trump-being-blackmailed-putin
Woodward should have packed it in years ago. He’s just embarrassing himself now.
"Ironically, it's a lesson they could learn from Republicans. In 2012, after losing two presidential elections in a row, Republicans conducted a "full autopsy" "
Which they promptly ignored, and then got back to power in 2016. So I'm not sure that would be the lesson you think they should learn.
For that matter, what did Republicans do the last time they lost a Presidential election? That's right, they spent four years spewing lies and conspiracy theories, and then got back to power anyway.
So if you're suggesting Democrats learn from Republicans, I'm not sure they're going to get the lesson you want them to.
And frankly, they have a losing streak of one. Acting like it's some great travesty that requires immediate realignment is a bit weird.
They definitely learned the spewing lies and conspiracy theories part.
The real lesson is you just need a candidate who connects with voters, on the issues they care about.
Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, and Donald Trump understood this. It doesn’t explain how Bush 1 or 2 won, or Biden.
Harris was out of touch, out of her depth, and lacking in any real accomplishments, and gave voters no confidence that she actually believed in any of her supposed plans.
“…So I’m not sure that would be the lesson you think they should learn…”
That’s because you’re a slimy pile of lying lefty shit. FOAD, asshole.
Made the mistake of putting on Morning Joe to watch the Democratic hysteria. I heard this from Chris Matthews, whose apparently still around, “Hillary was right. We need to be more hawkish.”
So no, I don’t think they learned anything, or at least they didn’t learn anything good.
^^ for the Enigma troll. Who is this stupid bitch? Keep on keeping on cuck.
... I said the same thing many other shave said, I just wasn't derogatory about it and also pointed out that their loss streak is only one deep. And that upsets you?
How weird.
I reject the whole weasel premise of what you say.
Your statement was full of lies and false accusations. You are being treated accordingly. And really, you should be grateful that we’re willing to straighten you out.
Feel free to thank us.
"...How weird..."
You wish you were simply "weird" instead of dishonest and abysmally stupid.
FOAD, asshole.
Good. This will help the democrat party turn their anger inwards and destroy themselves. Just having them lose this election isn’t nearly enough. We need to finish them off.
Their internal blame game will just make that easier.
Were there any neocons who didn't endorse Harris?
How much did that help?
Lancaster wins the internets for the spit-take banner.
It's odd how completely the D's have forgotten their working class roots in favor of identity politics. I understand why they made the switch that they did make. Was a bit inevitable with the 'giving up' of the Jim Crow D's and the hubris of trying to capture elections via a donor class in the 80's and 90's.
In 1950, the Rust Belt was home to 43% of all American jobs. Since then, it is the slowest growing region - competing only with the Plains. Now that entire area is ignored by 'the elites' on the coasts who decide what is best for the US.
In theory, this election could produce a strategic rethink since it resulted in an actual popular vote victory and not just the electoral college excuses. But for that rethink to happen, it will take D's from the Rust Belt to grab power from the coasties, academics, establishment, and other folks who have the power in the identity politics world. Do they still exist?
It’s odd how completely the D’s have forgotten their working class roots in favor of identity politics.
*rattling of chains* I'm the ghost of DNC past! Woooooooooo! Here's that moment in the 1960s when this transition began happening! Wooooooo!
it's like nobody saw Mr. Mom
Then you understand the need to finish off the democrats. Using a .38, .39…….. whatever it takes.
(And RIP Teri Garr)
Yes I know when that started. And the identitarian switch was always going to take place in the actual Jim Crow south where virtually all D’s seats remain gerrymandered majority-minority seats. Until the R’s tell the courts that’s no longer needed so that the South can once again return to being one-party.
But as late as the 1980’s, the Midwest was full of lunch bucket D’s on economic issues. I think its the 1992 election where the D’s decided to throw away Perot voters in favor of doubling down on donor class economics (see Clinton).
The R dynamic is different. Theirs has been trying to get working class voters on the basis of culture war stuff – which is precisely where paleos are too. Maybe a bit of a change now in prep for a post-Trump R but it is still too early to say whether the R’s will go full-throated fascist (like the paleos) or more like Perot – or which of those electoral strategies will really work to capture the Rust Belt. .
Almost.
The Dumbocrats are vain, arrogant, and insular. They are adicted to moral preening and virtue signalling above all else. This has driven their policy agenda. They don't really CARE about minorities or women, they merely want to be SEEN TO CARE.
I'd recommend looking in the mirror, but I think that's what they do all day.
They don’t really CARE about minorities or women, they merely want to be SEEN TO CARE.
There are 10 D critters from PA/MI/OH/WI who are under 60 - 3 white male, 3 white female, 4 non-white female. You are saying that those women and minorities don't really care about themselves? There are 11 R critters from those same states same age group - 9 white male, 1 white female, 1 non-white male.
Those elected incumbents are how identity politics works. Both DeRps engage in it. YOU don't give a shit about women/minorities. You care about white males which is why you are totally ok with the representation of that demographic by R's and annoyed by the D representation of that demographic.
As long as it was just older white males (nearing/in retirement) voting for Trump - and the popular vote on the D side - then D's could ignore the problem their identity politics has created. Which is precisely what happened with both Clinton and Harris. Now the D's have a serious internal demographic problem - but they don't have the candidates/incumbents to force the change on the party.
Not a surprise - sortition could solve this problem too - but ain't no elected officials or donor class manipulators gonna give up their power to some randomly selected citizens.
Interesting read on how the Rust Belt has changed over the decades and specifically how it has affected partisan politics. Like I didn't realize that 25% of the rural population in the US is now in the former Rust Belt states. I always just assumed they were all in always-agricultural states.
You need to unburden yourself from your erroneous assumptions.
Kamala didn't, and lost. Don't be a loser like her.
JFucked is far more of a loser than Cackles.
"What, If Anything, Will Democrats Learn From This Election?"
A. Nothing.
B. Nominating a brain dead leftist bimbo may not be such a good idea after all.
C. The American people are not comfortable with the prospect of war, inflation, being the laughing stock of the international community, having biological men competing with biological women, having 5 - 10 illegal aliens invade our country, and allowing America's Gestapo, the FBI, investigate Catholics and chasing down people who may have a noose as a garage door opener, etc.
D. Big government produces big problems instead of solving them.
E. The American electorate sees through their far left bullshit.
F. All of the above.
G. None of the above.
having 5 – 10 illegal aliens
I think it was more than 5 - 10, Bob...
He means in each bedroom.
I was watching Matt Welch, Moynihan and Kmele on the Megyn Kelly show last night and they showed some bits from Joe Scarborough where he seemed to be channeling Bill Maher: What's up with this coocoo bananas stuff where a man can say he's a woman... I've been hearing about this stuff in Democratic circles and I think it hurt them!
Moynihan correctly pointed out that he... you know, has this television show and if he's hearing retarded stuff from his own camp, he should talk about it on his show, otherwise he's just an extended campaign commercial for the DNC.
Did Megyn beat up on Welch at all?
Jeff and sarc are still yelling homophobia, so guessing by that sample size of Democrats, nothing.
Oliver got about 600k votes nationally. So according to the JeffSarc, everyone else is homophobic? Which includes Sarc, as he refuses to vote at all.
They were too nice to Republicans and too harsh on kamala. They need to call people that disagree with them racist more, and for God sakes they need to keep normalizing pedofilia
"What, If Anything, Will Democrats Learn From This Election?"
Two things, Diddly and Squat.
Orrr Diddy and epstien
Obligatory Matt Foley didly squat.
https://youtu.be/Xv2VIEY9-A8?si=hrtNMzxxndWF_W7c
Facts do not deter true believers. They just invent some BS and take it to mean they should do more of the same -- like Bernie Sanders' saying the Dems should have done what he wanted
Facts do not deter true believers.
True regardless of party.
Facts certainly never deter you. Perhaps you would feel better if you hopped in the Trumpmobile, headed down to Trumptown, and got yourself a nice Trumpburger?
Anyway, you have a Trumptastic day.
The Democrats ignored that inflation was a concern perhaps thinking that the majority of citizens would be smart enough to understand that it was a global phenomenon.
And they ignored the fear that illegal immigration inspired across the country, perhaps thinking that as the fear was overblown it wouldn't affect voting. But fear doesn't vote like that.
And they thought that these two things would be more than offset by Trump's being a felon, a swindler, a liar, a promoter of violence, a sexual predator, and was moving rapidly to senility. They were evidently wrong.
When there are no stark differences between candidates wrt current economic/social climate such that voting your bank account or pocketbook could be kind of a toss-up between candidates, you can vote character, probity, etc. But most people, if they believe - rightly or wrongly - that they will be better off and less afraid under one candidate, and worse off, more afraid, under the other, they will ignore pretty much anything adverse about the former candidate. And that is the lesson.
That a decent minority of voters are also wrapped up in the Trump cult so hard that they are little better than the Heavens Gate loonies is scarcely relevant.
Stay in UK bitch.
I'm now a US citizen, cunt.
We all make mistakes but who ever allowed that to happen ought to be hung.
FOAD, asshole.
Sounds like you didn't learn anything either.
It sounds like nothing of the sort. But god forbid you should credit a non-Trump-supporter with the intelligence you so manifestly lack.
Well considering you're falling for exactly the same talking points that lost the Democrats the election ("the economy is great! Inflation isn't real! But if it is, it's worldwide and we did better than everyone else!" Or "people shouldn't care about illegal immigration. It's a nothingburger!"), I'd say you fit right in with Kamala's team.
You cluelessly ignore things that are legitimate in order to try to browbeat your fellow citizens into ignoring inconvenient things for Democrats.
1. Inflation is real, and it's largely the government's fault. Yes, the whole world experienced it, because the whole world made the same stupid mistakes that the US did, such as shutting down producers of goods and then pouring gasoline on that problem by artificially simulating demand with cash influxes, also introducing a direct inflationary measure with fiat money.
2. I don't have to be fearful of being a victim of a violent crime or losing my job to an illegal immigrant for it to be a big deal. I care about the rule of law and recognize that most of the people coming here are doing it to take advantage of the things we have built.
3. There are incredibly stark policy differences between the two. I can guarantee you that under Trump, I wouldn't have almost lost my private sector job for not getting a useless jab before a federal judge saved my job.
To write off such concerns shows that perhaps I should have assumed you lack intelligence (even though I did nothing of the sort, so I appreciate you correcting me). Shame, because in the past I've appreciated your comments, but your comments here have disabused me of any notion that you are worth interacting with.
Inflation is real, and it’s largely the government’s fault.
It's partly, certainly, but that doesn't explain why it dropped so much in the last year.
Illegal immigration is a concern but the adverse consequences have been vastly overstated.
If you cared about the rule of law, you must be concerned at the ease with which Trump has dodged accountability for his evident crimes. Or is there an exception for him?
Shame, because in the past I’ve appreciated your comments, but your comments here have disabused me of any notion that you are worth interacting with.
Who were you before you changed your name?
Inflation dropping doesn't lower any prices. They just go up more slowly.
And I'm nowhere near a Trump supporter. I hope you can be healed from your broken brain. It's a very common symptom these days, so you're not alone.
Projection: my brain is not broken, I'm not in mourning. I think Trump will be a major fuckup but I will admit it if I'm wrong - and indeed, I hope against hope that I am.
That's spelled "YDS-addled shit pile", TDS-addled shit-pile
One correction. A majority of the country disagrees with your view.
The election is over. It hurts, I know.
Maybe look at the data, and understand who voted for Pres Trump, and why. You have part of it (pocketbook).
I know the majority don't agree. I'm used to that in general. The fools in this town are seldom on my side. But that is a separate matter from their reasons.
It doesn’t hurt, as I’ve had to explain to you before. And my explanation fits the data even if it’s not a complete explanation.
But please don't pretend or lie about who Trump is or isn't. He is a criminal, he is a sexual predator, he is a con man, he is a racist, and he is losing it mentally. It was your choice and your right to overlook these when you voted. But pretending that he is not those is hypocritical and dishonest - and shows gutlessness to boot.
You don't have the data. That is one point.
I repeat: The majority of the country rejected your personal assessment of the man.
If you don't know, the thing to do is to learn.
There could be two meanings of reject here. They could think I'm wrong in my characterisation, or they could think that they don't care whatever the truth is. You appear to think the former. I go with the latter. You also appear to have a blockage on this point - the result of the election does not change who Trump is.
The fear isn’t overblown. It it doesn’t matter what you think Shrike. Because MAGA is back!
So, blame the voters is the lesson?
Maybe excess illegal immigration is in fact a major and reasonable concern of voters.
And maybe the worst inflation in 50 years has people blaming the federal government's policies instead of the "world economy." The USA is supposed to lead, not float along on whatever happens.
And maybe much of the prosecution against Trump was transparently politically motivated. Even the other businesses he supposedly swindled weren't pressing charges or suing him.
> But ironically, Trump's electoral successes have included increasing his share of Hispanic voters
This is only ironic insofar as one believes that vast numbers of illegal immigrants vote.
Over here in reality, one notices that even if one believes high immigration is an economic boon in general, immigrants disproportionately compete with those citizens who have lower-skilled jobs. And Hispanic citizens disproportionately have lower-skilled jobs.
Likely lessons the Demsheviks will "learn" (really just their excuse list)
1. Probably nothing.
2. Waaaaah Democrats can't win elections if they don't get to censor everyone and control the entire information flow REEEEEE!
3. Russia did this, even though Putin (somewhat inexplicably) endorsed Kamala.
4. Find a new way to stuff the ballot box harder, it's really hard when an army of lawyers is watching you (although the AZ result with Trump winning and Lake not winning is ridiculously suspect. Who the hell votes Trump but not Lake? I mean I understand the NH results of they voted Ayotte not Trump, because I grew up there and it is a VERY anti-income-tax, anti-sales-tax state, even with all the MA transplants... but the only Trump voter I can think of not voting down-ballot "R" would be if it's a RINO and Kari is the opposite of that... and even then they don't vote for the Democrat!).
On Russia: It's not inexplicable. Harris would have been easy as fuck to steamroll. I mean, she could barely form coherent sentences when she was handed a freaking script of what to say/how to answer.
Peanut's ghost running across the stage before Karen Harris's concession speech was priceless. Oh the irony!
I personally know three 40'ish men who got motivated to vote because of Peanut being executed by democratic party hacks.
For Peanut!
God Bless Peanut.
I personally know three 40’ish men who got motivated to vote because of Peanut being executed by democratic party hacks.
And you assume these male cat ladies voted for Trump?
I pray to God that they learn nothing.
I just saw a headline claiming AOC blames sexism for Kamala's loss.
And it dawned on me: She didn't lose because of sexism; she lost for LACK of sexism. And she didn't lose because of racism; she lost for LACK of racism. And she didn't lose because of homophobia: she lost from LACK of homophobia. And so on and so on...
And the truth of this is that the American people finally, FINALLY got so sick and tired of being called things they are NOT that they went out and said FUCK YOU to the whole lying, sniveling democrat party and all I can say is HALLELUJAH!
Democrats should go back to Bill Clinton's mantras:
"It's the economy, stupid." and "I feel your pain."
Instead they insisted the economy was in great shape, and there was no pain, and brought out wealthy celebrities to agree with those points.
Lesson 1: Nobody cares how much they say "Hitler racist democracy bigot" anymore. Nobody.
Lesson 2: You cannot hope to represent anyone you're so far removed from. To his credit, I think Joe Scarborough had that resonate in his tiny pea brain for a minute with the whole "$3 butter" thing. People like him - the elitists and their media vassals - $3 butter is so far removed a problem from their "let them eat cake" existence that it doesn't even register.
Even if you want to think the absolute worst about Donald Trump - even if you want to believe it's a shameless pandering scam - Trump resonates with the average American on a level they're desperate for someone in/with power TO resonate with them on. They want someone to listen to them - and, even if you give him zero benefit of the doubt and claim it's all an act, Trump is at least pretends to listen to them.
As opposed to our so-called "betters" - who responded to, for example, the American angst over sharply increasing gas prices with, "Hey, just go buy a $70K EV."
Even if you want to think the absolute worst about Donald Trump – even if you want to believe it’s a shameless pandering scam – Trump resonates with the average American on a level they’re desperate for someone in/with power TO resonate with them on. They want someone to listen to them – and, even if you give him zero benefit of the doubt and claim it’s all an act, Trump is at least pretends to listen to them.
But it is an act, and it's not about "thinking the absolute worst of Trump", it is thinking of Trump as a typical politician. ALL politicians "pretend to listen". Kamamalama said over and over again that she would be a president "for all Americans". Would she actually have been a president "for all Americans"? Of course not. But she at least pretended it would be. Her stupid price-gouging plan was motivated by at least a pretense to be concerned about high prices.
I mean, do you REALLY think Trump is PERSONALLY concerned with the price of butter? Do you think Trump personally goes grocery shopping? On a personal level, he is about as far removed from the concerns of everyday Americans as Joe Scarborough is.
The way I see it, it is not about anyone else giving Trump "zero" benefit of the doubt, it is about people like you giving Trump a nearly infinite benefit of the doubt. I don't get it.
"If you don't know, the thing to do is not to get scared, but to learn."
- Ayn Rand
This is very good advice chemjeff. Try it.
This is, after all, a nominally libertarian publication.
I mean, do you REALLY think Trump is PERSONALLY concerned with the price of butter?
No. But what matters is that EVERY NORMAL AVERAGE AMERICAN IS personally concerned with it, and he took their concerns seriously. Or, at least, convincingly pretended to. Unlike the elitist Democrat establishment who dismissed it with sneers and pretended that everything was just fine. "Greatest economy ever, Jack. Don't believe your lying eyes."
They did the same with crime.
They did the same with LGBT pedo grooming.
They did the same with illegals. ("It's just a few apartment buildings!")
They did it with the border in general.
They did it with COVID/vaccines.
They did it with abortion.
They did it with racism.
They did it with sexism.
They did it with everything.
The elites - everyone from Hollywood to Academia to State Science to the Politicians and their Media vassals - spent their entire time talking down to us, gaslighting us, pretending our concerns weren't valid, acting like we're too stupid to know what we're talking about.
Trump didn't do that. He instead talked TO the people. Did his best to relate to their concerns. Tried to genuinely understand them. Promised a plan - even if a poor one - to address them. And even if you think that was all a sham - it was STILL more effective than anything the Democrats did.
Because the Democrats have ZERO CONNECTION with Normal Average America anymore. Their approach ONLY works in well-established echo chambers and narrative bubbles - to the point that those who LIVE in those echo bubbles - are having public meltdowns on TikTok where they genuinely don't understand how this could have happened.
Well, turns out those echo chambers aren't as populated with NPCs as the elitists believed they were.
I don’t get it.
You don't get a lot of things. You don't even get what we're talking about here.
You really don't seem to understand why Trump won. It's simple. Democrats DO NOT OPERATE in reality with the average American. They are far, far too removed to be in ANY position to "represent' anyone.
Trump does, or at least convincingly pretended to. That's it. And that's what mattered to Normal America. Even in traditionally blue-leaning battleground states. All of them.
Here endeth the lesson.
"They want someone to listen to them – and, even if you give him zero benefit of the doubt and claim it’s all an act, Trump is at least pretends to listen to them. "
Exactly.
Even if you think it's all an act - I don't, but so what, even if you do - that means Democrats can't even bring themselves to *pretend* to care about what normal people care about.
Luckily for Democrats, they know everything so they already have all the answers.
What will the Democrats learn?
1- That voters didn’t buy the boogie-man fairy-tale that they were trying to push about Trump. There are many things that are detestable about the Donald, but they went far beyond that. It turned into fairy-tales meant to scare the little children, which turned into the Little Boy Who Cried Wolfe.
2- Voters could reasonably determine that the Democrats were attempting to prosecute their way into power. Both Trump and RFK Jr. can attest to that.
That they need to come up with some new magic words? Racist and Nazi seem to have ran out of gas.
One lesson Team D will very shortly re-learn: Losers don't make terms, the winners do.
I'd like to remind my Team D uber-lib friends of a quote from President Obama. He said, "Elections have consequences". I just want you all to know that Team R also thinks he was right. There really are consequences. 🙂
Here I agree with you. Perhaps your yiddishe kop has not been entirely auto-eradicated.
There is hope for everyone, SRG2. 🙂
@JoeLancaster...It is helpful to keep in mind the 5 stages of grief. As a primer, they are: Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance.
It is safe to say we are now past denial. The electoral results are in, and reality doesn't lie. Team D partisans are at the anger stage, and psychologically incapable of self-reflection and introspection (I include in that number all the Hollywood celebrities, etc). We can skip 'bargaining' for the next two years. See my post above...the losers don't make terms, the winners do.
So I guess we are left with depression and acceptance. Did Team D care if the country 'accepted' the horseshit they forced upon us? Nope. My point is, why care whether they have acceptance or not? Did they? Schoolyard rules are very effective.
Team D partisans will just have to pay for years of therapy sessions for their depression. One might empathize. Or not. 😉
Maybe they could learn to not have shrill, extreme leftwing women as your standard bearers, like NY Gov. Hochul.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4969225-hochul-says-new-yorkers-who-vote-republican-are-anti-woman-and-anti-american/
"New York Gov. Kathy Hochul (D) said New Yorkers who vote Republican in the state’s tight congressional races are “anti-woman” and “anti-American.”
“If you’re voting for these Republicans in New York, you are voting for someone who supports Donald Trump, and you’re anti-woman, you’re anti-abortion, and basically, you’re anti-American because you have just trashed American values and what our country is about over and over and you wear this on Election Day,” Hochul said Saturday on MSNBC’s “PoliticsNation,” highlighted by Mediaite.
Hochul argued that Trump’s rally in New York City last weekend backfired on him and said she wanted to remind her constituents what their vote means to her."
Childless cat ladies are the biggest losers in this election. 🙂
I have noted that a number of Democrats and Senator Sanders are again talking about the need to connect with the working Americans. The problem is that Democrats don't seem to know how to make that connection. Worse they seem to hammer the same themes, opposing tax cuts for wealth, talking about price gouging and the need to support unions. The problem is that these dogs don't hunt. Democrats, as the article says need to go back to the drawing board.
When today's typical Democrat can be found on Tik Tok making themselves look completely asinine to the rest of us, understand that it is a long row to hoe to reconnect to us.
What do you mean, the Democrats didn't learn anything from the 2020 election? They learned they could successfully run a sock puppet with a room temperature IQ and let it front the government for four years, and they tried it again in 2024. But they have in fact learned nothing from the 2024 election -- they're saying they need to go back to being the party of the working man, when it's the working class that rejected them.
I'm just thankful there are less [Na]tional So[zi]alist[s] in power.
Democrats wouldn't be so horrible if they didn't champion Communism & Socialism.
Talk to any Progressive - they are better educated, smarter, better looking, and more moral than everyone on the right. With all that in their favor, there is really no need to change anything. If they can only keep lecturing to the immoral, misogynistic, racist morons who voter Trump most will surely come around.
Look forward to a lot more lecturing.
Hopefully they will learn that a pile of cash and a bunch of celebrities and a feel-good marketing campaign can't sell an empty suit.
But I'm afraid they will just decide they need to import more voters if the voters here are evil enough to elect Trump.
My guess? The Democrats will learn as much as the Bourbons learned from the French Revolution and Napoleon's reign.
Nothing.
Wrong. Dems learned from Gary's 4M votes. Republicans also learned, and opted to infiltrate the LP and neutralize it with a cheap flood of thinly disguised mystical bigots and mindless anarcho-commies. This data point the Dems cannot afford to ignore.
"...The punchline, of course, is that in the very next election, the party nominated Trump, who began his campaign by calling Mexicans "rapists"..."
Wouldn't it be nice if Reason had at least one 'editor' who isn't a lying pile of TDS-addled shit?
Hint, shitbag, he did not label Mexicans as "rapists". FOAD, asshole.
"But to reach any sort of conclusion, Democrats will have to ignore their natural instincts to cast blame elsewhere, on disinformation or foreign interference or minor gaffes on the campaign trail. Whether they like it or not, Democrats received a drubbing on Tuesday, and only sincere soul-searching will yield any useful explanations."
I'm sure that will begin ... er, any time now ... maybe ...
At the 2016 election Dem voters realized that the LP offered to enforce individual rights. The DNC reeled from 4M LP spoiler votes covering the gap in 13 States casting 127 electoral votes, so they started repealing prohibition laws. Yet the DNC clung to demands to ban electricity. With but 17 states having legalized hemp and female rights, now is the time for Dems to understand that the ONE THING Trump got right was: Sharknado Climate Warmunism is superstitious fraud. Electricity and gas need to be legalized just as other substances are being legalized, and for similar reasons... OTHERWISE THE DEMS GET BEAT!
If the Democrats don't learn that looney liberals are destroying their party, then a new party will have to take their place.
Target learned only they need to cheat and censor and manipulate and blacklist and jawbone and downvote and algorithm hide results better next time.
That’s their only take-away.