Don't Blame Me for Not Voting for Your Unbelievably Rotten Candidate
Donald Trump and Kamala Harris are polling terribly because they are terrible people representing terrible parties.

With a day left before the 2024 polls close, I'd like to say something to the Republicans and the Democrats, the Trump chads and the Harris stans: Don't blame me for not voting for your shitty candidate.
There's a reason why presidential contests have been as tight as they have been for a while, and why control of Congress has flipped back and forth so much over the last couple of decades. It's not because of voters like me, who just want to vote for politicians and policies that won't bankrupt the country or rob me of the ability to make meaningful decisions in my life. It's not too much to ask for candidates who aren't colossal assholes, mental incompetents, or fakers that routinely lie and dissemble about all sorts of stuff. Your parties don't stand for anything consistent or appealing or responsible or responsive. You're not going to win elections easily until you stand for something consistent, productive, and respectful of the people you seek to govern.
Former President Donald Trump and Vice President Kamala Harris are arguing about which one of them will add $4 trillion in new debt vs. which one will add $8 trillion, according to mid-range estimates from the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget. Both want to abolish taxes on tips and have their own special twists on adjacent topics. Trump has said he also wants to end taxes on overtime and Social Security income and cap credit-card interest rates, while Harris wants to shovel "free" money at first-time homebuyers and push for free or nearly free college, plus a bunch of other stuff. Both have pledged to maintain old-age entitlements exactly as they are, meaning federal spending has nowhere to go but up as baby boomers retire en masse and are joined by Gen Xers, the oldest of whom are pushing 60. They each threaten free speech in their own ways and traffic in delusion (Trump, for instance, can't admit he lost the popular vote in 2016 and 2020, while Kamala won't say when she knew that President Joe Biden's brain was cooked).
We know what a Trump presidency will look like because he's served already. It wasn't great, considering that most of the new debt he added to the nation's came before COVID-19 tanked the economy. But it wasn't a disaster either, at least until COVID-19 came along and he pushed to shut the country down and put together the very team of awful public health bureaucrats he spends a lot of time railing against now, as if they just showed in the Oval Office one day.
As part of the Biden administration, Harris was co-pilot during an equally mediocre run in the White House, especially when it came to prolonging or intensifying many of the worst COVID-19 policies that started under Trump. But if we're being honest, despite all the best attempts of Biden/Harris to utterly tank the economy, it seems to be doing just fine, just like it was doing under Trump (which is to say, OK but not anywhere close to where it should be). The Dow Jones is doing swell, and for all their bitching and moaning, younger Americans are doing better than previous generations, with Millennials and older Gen Zers accruing more wealth than Gen X. And miracles of miracles: Gen Z is outpacing Millennials when it comes to home ownership. The genius of America is that we survive almost any fool presiding over us.
Whatever else you can say about Trump and Harris, this much is indisputable: They are not popular. Each is pulling under 50 percent of voters the day before the election. And their parties aren't exactly reeling them in, either. Per Gallup's survey during the last two weeks of October, just 29 percent of Americans identify as Republican and just 32 percent as Democrats—figures that are near all-time lows. Let the partisans explain why the rest of us are so misguided in our indifference or hostility to these candidates and their parties. Maybe one of these years, those partisans will get around to figuring out how to appeal to people outside of the shrinking groups who already agree with them.
Last week, I voted early and wrote in the Libertarian Party presidential candidate Chase Oliver on my New York ballot. Like a lot of places, the Empire State does everything it can to bump non-major-party choices from its ballots, resulting in much lower-than-average voter participation rates over the past seven presidential elections. But screw that, I was happy to have somebody to vote for who comes close to my vision of government. He's talking about reducing the size, scope, and spending of government only a few years before our biggest budget items are about to go tits up. Good on him.
I get why Democrats and Republicans try to limit choices for voters and then denounce those of us who refuse to go along. I'm not above partisanship and in fact, I would love to be able to vote for a candidate who might actually win the presidency. But the major party candidates by and large suck and, even in an era of overheated, mentally diminished rhetoric where supporters of Kamala Harris and Donald Trump both claim this could be the last election EVER, the difference between the two is less than meets the eye. Or same thing, it's not worth picking one over the other.
That's on them, not me or my fellow citizens who are holding out for something better.
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Donald Trump and Kamala Harris are polling terribly
Really? I heard they were tied.
President Chase incoming (Just don't say that he's gay).
If 48% is terrible. What does that mean for Chases 1%?
Nowhere to go but up.
He often has his but up
I forget, how far ahead was Hillary supposed to be on election day?
-jcr
There is so little enthusiasm for the candidates that in some places, almost 50% of voters already voted.
Despite cratering sales, Americans desperately want electric cars!
LOL.
The magazine who found Joe Biden's mental decay to be reluctantly and strategically believable has determined that Trump and Kamala are unbelievably rotten candidates.
is like a MAD Magazine sketch that didn't make the cut
It’s certainly the usual gang of idiots
Don't Blame Me for Not Voting for Your Unbelievably Rotten Candidate
That's precisely what I've been telling proglotarians since they nominated Chase Oliver! The problem is people like Gillespie and Doherty just can't accept that their crap candidates aren't entitled to my vote.
That's kinda my response. Gillespie declares his support for Oliver, but simultaneously expresses some sympathies for Harris. I lean towards saying fuck his preferences and the bullshit rationalizations used for them.
Well, a Kamala Harris win means that Biden wins too, because he could claim to be tough on crime during his second administration (by proxy). She represents law, too.
Now, if there is no law that requires a policy of a solvent treasury, then she cannot possibly be breaking a law that does not exist. That's the best that I could say about her. As for Trump, he did not even have the rule of law on his side to claim when the Secret Service prevented him from going to join the January 6th protestors as he had promised. If he could had mustered a single -- and legal -- rationale to join them, then the Secret Service would had been obliged to had let him go. And you have to accept his very own story, at that, because that was why he said he did not join them. He was still the recognized President on that date chronologically, Wasn't he?, so his words would had "led the nation" on that occasion.
The right thing would, of course, be that reining in the national debt can only in a likely scenario be done via constitutional amendment on a case-by-case basis, such as by hosting a constitutional convention for the purpose. The states are not required to do this all at the same time. But as for the ratifications, there must be a majority of them in order to win the cause. Nevertheless, if one state works to achieve this effectively, then we should hear public discourse guide the way accordingly and show us who we are as a nation of peoples.
In other words, don't expect the President to make the requisite move, that must reduce the national debt, underway. The rump end does not eat the broccoli that greens the other end for deciding.
Who are you voting for?
Well good news, Nick, if you lived in Bucks County you wouldn't have been allowed to...
I posted this in another thread, but one of your fellow Journolismists quit during a Washington Post live stream because he was sick of the lies.
Imagine if Gillespie, Liz and Robbie had the balls and journalistic integrity to do this to KMW and Charles Koch.
That's Hugh Hewitt. He is a longtime conservative commentator. He is an opinion writer, not a Washington Post staff journalist. So it is incredibly misleading to imply that some staff journalist at Washington Post quit "because of the lies" when it was a conservative opinion writer who was always going to be biased in favor of Team Red anyway.
We know who it is, you mendacious fuck. And actually he's an opinion writer, and a radio show host, and an author AND a journalist. Just like Anderson Cooper or your favorite potato, Brian Stelter.
"So it is incredibly misleading to imply that some staff journalist"
So it is incredibly misleading to imply that Rick James said he was a STAFF journalist.
that was beautiful. good for Hugh.
"Bans off my Body... Mandates are ok tho..."
I do wonder how many of the Reason staff would have chosen Harris had Dave Smith been the LP nominee (which he likely would have been had he sought it). I suspect most of them except a notable few.
The same number that have chosen Harris already and are lying about supporting Chase.
Most of the people here are bog standard DC Democrats LARPing as libertarians while auditioning for better gigs.
Bad news, buddy. I damn well will blame you.
Deal with it.
Nick Gillespie is right on everything he said except for one thing: not wanting your blame.
I relish the thought of spoiling the election. The wailing and gnashing of teeth will be delightful. The blaming will be best of all.
Normally takes 3-4%, which Chase isn’t going to get. But this time the swing state polls are shaping up beautifully, 0.5% in a single state might easily cost Harris or Trump the electoral college.
In reality of course it's the much larger 20-30% of potential voters they alienated and caused to stay home or switch sides to their main opponent. But I'm happy to have Chase take all the credit.
Oh piss off, White Mike.
I really, really want it to come down to 0.05% in Pennsylvania.
It'll be good whichever one loses, but it will be vastly more entertaining if it's Trump that goes down, because his supporters will do way more crying and blaming Chase Oliver.
If it's the Dems they'll probably take it like adults and blame Jill Stein. Won't be nearly as much fun.
Can you imagine if Chase Oliver's votes exceed the margin of victory in Pennsylvania and as a result Pennsylvania goes blue? The commenters here will be absolutely livid. And I will enjoy every minute of it when they have no one to blame but themselves for doing their level best to trash the libertarian candidate and make it well known that they were not welcome.
That's retarded, as expected from jeffsarc. Oliver is not taking votes from Trump. Leftitarian Oliver can only hope to peel some Harris voters.
Haha. How disappointing for you, Jeff.
It would entertain you because you're literally a Democrat Mike.
If it’s the Dems they’ll probably take it like adults and blame Jill Stein. Won’t be nearly as much fun.
Just like they did between 2016 and 2024?
“they’ll probably take it like adults”
You know the rest of us can remember the last 24 years right?
OK, fair enough. Here’s what I think Dems are likely to do if they lose:
– Say and write mean things about Jill Stein.
– Whine about voter suppression.
– Whine about misinformation.
– Mostly though, point fingers at each other and assign blame.
– A few Congressional outliers will argue that Trump is 14th amendment disqualified. Harris won’t play along and it will fizzle.
– A few citizen outliers will riot in Portland or Seattle. It’ll last maybe a week.
– Pretend that the country is ruined, while still enjoying Starbucks, going to work, eating well, etc.
Here’s what I think (some) Republicans are likely to do if Trump loses:
– File a gobsmacking number of lawsuits that are utter crap. Lots of bad faith claims that all they want is a fair hearing in court, when the only point is to throw up a giant wall of delay and confusion and doubt, in the hope that something will give.
– Accuse election officials, of both parties, of engineering a massive steal. Flood the zone with nonsense and lies on every form of media known. Voting machines rigged, ballots stolen, ballots stuffed, ballots burned.
– Most of all, falsely claim that millions of non-citizens voted and every one of them was for Harris.
– Some famous R names in Congress and in R states will advocate for some kind constitutional trick move. Most likely some crap about state certifications being invalid, or contested, but who knows what the “little surprise” will be. Trump will support it. I think it’ll fail but something like 235-200.
– The riot at the Capitol *won’t* be repeated because this time there will be an order of magnitude more preparation.
– A few citizen outliers will declare that it’s civil war and do the usual pitiful stuff like shoot up an empty office, send some envelopes of white powder, death threats on social media. The police will mop them up over a period of a month or so.
– Trump actually does not want to go to jail. He’ll stand down when the trick move in Congress fails and the lawsuits fizzle.
I think this is basically right, but Team Blue will definitely file their fair share of lawsuits if they are losing. We saw in Bush v. Gore that they are not above making bad faith arguments in court. But once the court of last review (prob SCOTUS) has reviewed it and ruled against Team Blue, that is when it will end. They won't keep going. Remember Kamala will be in the position that Mike Pence was in last time. She will not try to use her power to gum up the works or appoint herself as winner.
The fantasy life of a TDS-addled steaming pile of shit really isn't of a lot of interest, ass-wipe.
Let's be realistic. The Democrats will burn cities either way.
Haha. How disappointing for you, ducky.
Mike. How are you not embarrassed about yesterday? Going on and on how a former FCC commissioner was wrong, just a partisan conservative. Then had NBC go on that very night to try to fix the equal tike provisions they violated.
Amazing how often wrong you, Jeff, and sarc are.
Thy don’t care.
Nice try, Nardz. You’re the one that was wrong. Here’s what I actually wrote:
Anyway, your link shows that a station (not the network, please try to understand the difference between a network and a station) met their obligation by posting a notice about Clinton’s appearance.
How do you know they didn’t post the same notice this time? Have you checked?
And so they did post the notice, which is all they ever needed to do. The Trump appointee on the FCC knew all this – his own tweet proves it – and I pointed it out to rubes like you who stupidly thought the appearance is a violation. It isn’t and never was.
Note that Brendan Carr made you believe it was a violation. But you notice he never said that it was a violation, he let your own hot head make that jump. He said they were trying to evade the the requirement by running it close to the election. But the law has no deadline. It's legal to run it even on election day.
You’ve made another bad faith claim that (as usual) misrepresents both the law and what other commenters said.
Lol. You’re wrong again Mike. I explicitly said OTA license agreements. It was you who tried shifting it to other people like you did Trump.
Never change Mike. Always the post modernist lies and sophomoric bullshit.
Did NBC rush to file a fair time act (Trump acted on it), yes or no?
Did you claim the FCC commissioner who pointed it out was wrong and partisan? Yes or no?
It is amazing watching how openly you lie about everything Mike.
You also continue to try to use what others say to accuse me of being wrong. This is now the 3rd time in less than a week. Are you taking dishonesty classes from Jeff?
Did NBC rush to file a fair time act (Trump acted on it), yes or no?
What a dumbass argument. Did you “rush” to file your income taxes, you tax cheat? NBC followed the normal procedure.
Did you claim the FCC commissioner who pointed it out was wrong and partisan? Yes or no?
Yes, and I stand by it. Brendan Carr’s EXACTLY like some guy at a restaurant that sees a waitress receive a tip and then instantly starts yelling “Look! Look! Unreported Income!” He doesn’t know whether or not she’s going to report the income, and he didn’t know whether or not NBC would file the notice they are supposed to. They did file properly, and not later than the next business day after the SNL appearance. I mentioned the possibility yesterday just to nail it down because I knew there’d be dishonest spin about it today.
I see Nick is on the rag again.
Quick! Somebody tell Tampon Tim.
Tampon Tim the Enchanter? (I voted for him!!!!)
finally! the perfect mashup for your Tim the Enchanter.
"I get why Democrats and Republicans try to limit choices for voters and then denounce those of us who refuse to go along."
Disagree with Gillespie on everything else if you wish, but this is totally a description of what the two major parties do.
Sure. But, that's exactly what makes the "You aren't a good libertarian if you're voting for Trump!!" nonsense so ridiculous. If guys like Nick are going to bemoan the Dems and the GOP demanding tribal loyalty, their whining falls flat if the Libertarians are playing the same game. Chase Oliver isn't owed the vote of every person who considers themself a libertarian. The fact of the matter is he's actively alienated a wide swath of libertarian voters. And, whatever you want to say, Donald Trump has made an effort to actively court those libertarian votes.
Voting for the LP means effectively trading consequence for messaging. A candidate who isn't lame (I'll hold off on the gay part because I know how sensitive his supporters are to that) is going to do as much as possible to make that message as broad as possible. Otherwise, trading off consequence for message becomes a stupid proposition for lots of people.
Donald Trump has made an effort to actively court those libertarian votes.
Yeah, I understand that his idea of "courting" is saying over and over that he’s the greatest ever in history.
And ESCORTING Him is His Queen Spermy Daniels, who affirms that He is The Biggest Thang Evah!!!! In a glaze of Vaseline, no less!!! So re-erect Him (AND His Stolen Erections!!! So Queen Spermy Daniels BEGS of us!!!)
Ass Sung by Spermy Daniels, AKA Dolly Hard-On
Joe Lean, Joe Mean, Joe Lean, Joe Mean,
I’m beggin’ you, please don’t take His Elections!
Joe Lean, Joe Mean, Joe Lean, Joe Mean,
Please don’t crush My Man’s Erections!
Your polls are woke beyond compare,
You’re the VERY best at sniffing hair!
Labor unions flock to your door,
Your pork barrels, they all adore!
You tell them what they want to hear,
Bidin’ yer time, to throw My Man out on His ear!
My Man still grabs my pussy,
Along with many another hussy!
Don’t steal my Man’s erection!
Else He’ll sink into much dejection!
I am still His Special Queen,
Specially glazed in Vaseline!
Joe Lean, Joe Mean, Joe Lean, Joe Mean,
I’m beggin’ you, please don’t take His Elections!
Joe Lean, Joe Mean, Joe Lean, Joe Mean,
Please don’t crush My Man’s Erections!
You could have most ANY hair to sniff,
Yet you keep My Man from getting stiff!
My Man, He needs to be pussy-grabbing,
Yet you call His Lies; prevent confabbing!
Joe Lean, Joe Mean, leave My Man alone!
I’m the only, lonely one who needs His Bone!
You don’t know twat He means to me,
He stands on me and takes a pee!
Upon my ancient flower,
He gives a Golden Shower!
To Him, should go ALL Power!
Upon Him, I bestow a blow-job,
To Joe-Bob, He’ll send a snow-job!
Joe Lean, Joe Mean, Joe Lean, Joe Mean,
I’m beggin’ you, please don’t take His Elections!
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Please don’t crush My Man’s Erections!
HELP me get the word out!!!
#SingItForUsSpermyDaniels
Promised to free Ross Ulbricht and appoint a libertarian to his cabinet. Allied with Vivek Ramaswamy and Elon Musk. And suggested a Department of Governmental Efficiency headed by Musk, with a possible invitation to Ron Paul.
That's more than Chase is offering to a lot of libertarians.
Promised to free Ross Ulbricht
An empty promise. He had 4 years to do it in his first term. Why didn't he do it then? Because he doesn't give a shit about Ulbricht, Silk Road, or any of those issues. He's just pandering to you and telling you what you want to hear.
appoint a libertarian to his cabinet
Probably another empty promise - see above. And besides, if Chase actually won, he would appoint far more than just one libertarian to his candidate. Besides, Trump's idea of a "libertarian" is probably someone like Ted Cruz.
Allied with Vivek Ramaswamy and Elon Musk.
You mean, two more non-libertarians? Why should we be excited about that?
And suggested a Department of Governmental Efficiency headed by Musk, with a possible invitation to Ron Paul.
You mean, he's going to make government bigger by creating another department? Isn't that the entire fucking problem - government screws up, then creates another department to fix its fuckup, that department fucks up, repeat ad nauseum. What happened to Fuck You Cut Spending?
That’s more than Chase is offering to a lot of libertarians.
Chase favors a balanced budget amendment, elimination of Department of Education, and ending the drug war once and for all. Hmm. Tough choice there...
Quick, we have to let the perfect be the enemy of the good!
Chase would have precisely zero support in Congress with no chance to get a single thing he wanted passed to be passed.
He (per Obama) would have a pen and a phone. That would be all that he'd need.
Or, per Trump, he could just ignore the Constitution!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html
Why didn’t he do it then?
Because he wasn't looking for libertarian support then.
if Chase actually won, he would appoint far more than just one libertarian to his candidate.
By all evidence, "libertarians" dismissive of my particular libertarian issues. And, of course, "Chase actually won" ain't happening, which is why your whole "Chase is more libertarian" spiel is ridiculous. He isn't winning anything.
You mean, he’s going to make government bigger by creating another department?
A department dedicated to cutting other elements of the government. And you think that makes the government bigger. Math isn't your strong suit.
Chase favors a balanced budget amendment
A ridiculous gimmick that doesn't, in itself, do a thing.
elimination of Department of Education
So, that's a wash with Trump, the guy who might actually get elected.
and ending the drug war once and for all
Okay. One particular advantage to the guy who has no chance of getting elected, conditioned on his getting elected, which isn't going to happen.
Yeah, like you say, "tough choice".
Because he wasn’t looking for libertarian support then.
Oh, so you even admit that Trump doesn't give a shit about Ulbricht or Silk Road, he is content to use Ulbricht as a mere bargaining chip to try to buy votes. That's even worse.
By all evidence, “libertarians” dismissive of my particular libertarian issues.
How do you know that the one single "libertarian" (who may or may not be some RWNJ instead) that Trump will totally absolutely appoint to the cabinet (wink wink) will be supportive of your particular libertarian issues?
So, you don't believe Chase would appoint an authentically-enough libertarian cabinet, even though Chase has been working as an activist in the liberty movement for 10+ years now, but you totally believe Trump would appoint a true-blue libertarian, even though he's not a libertarian and as you admit above, he uses pet issues that actual libertarians care about as pandering for votes, not giving a shit about the issues themselves? That is putting faith before reality.
It is exactly as I have said all along: you all reject Chase not because he is not libertarian enough, but because he is a libertarian with the "wrong" identity. It's not enough that he would cut welfare for illegals; he has to cut welfare for illegals while also denouncing them as rapists and murderers and cannibals. He can't just cut off their benefits, he has to hate them.
A department dedicated to cutting other elements of the government.
Yes, and the Education Department is dedicated to educating children, and the Defense Department is dedicated to defending the country. You can't be this naive.
This is a stupid idea which is probably Elon's idea that he just repeated because he tends to repeat whatever the last person told him.
A ridiculous gimmick that doesn’t, in itself, do a thing.
Oh I agree it is more gimmicky than real. This gimmick is a better idea than Trump's ridiculous gimmick of "let's cut government by making it bigger".
elimination of Department of Education
So, that’s a wash with Trump, the guy who might actually get elected.
Spoiler alert: he's not going to eliminate the Department of Education. Again, he had the chance four years ago and he didn't. Plus, how is Team Red going to crack down on the menace of transgender athletes on the 'wrong' sports teams and in the 'wrong' bathrooms in schools without a Federal Department of Education to dictate to the states what they must do?
The modern Right, of which Trump and Vance are most definitely a part, has zero problems using state power to enforce their socially conservative goals.
By the way, what exactly is Trump's position on the drug war?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_policy_of_the_Donald_Trump_administration
He said he was in favor of leaving marijuana legalization up to the states. But he later favored taking away a state's ability to set their own marijuana policy. Now he says he is in favor of legalizing it, but in the same breath, he wants to execute drug dealers.
Which is the whole point here:
YOU CAN'T TRUST HIM. He has no fixed principles, there is absolutely nothing that he truly believes in.
Spoiler alert: he’s not going to eliminate the Department of Education
But by some miracle chase could?
Is that new department going to be like Jim Hacker's Department of Administrative Affairs?
Watch less Psaki Mike. See even Ron Paul weighing in. Oh. He is an icky libertarian for not being a Democrat cos playing as one. Apologies.
You don't understand much of anything, TDS-addled shit-pile.
Chase Oliver isn’t owed the vote of every person who considers themself a libertarian.
Chase Oliver has the most libertarian policy proposals of any candidate running. That is simply a fact. If you claim to be a libertarian, and you claim to be motivated by policy over personality or 'messaging', then Chase Oliver is the only logical choice. The fact that so many of you reject Chase for trivial reasons only goes to show that you, like everyone else that you trash, play your own game of identity politics - since Chase doesn't fit your identity profile of 'model libertarian', despite his policies, you are going to vote for a demonstrably less libertarian candidate.
If you claim to be a libertarian, and you claim to be motivated by policy over personality or ‘messaging’...
Are you putting crack in those Cheesy Poofs? A party with exactly 0.00000000001% chance of winning the presidency isn't offering "policy". A policy you have no ability to enact isn't a policy. It's a message. And the rest of his message is libertarianism constrained by social progressivism. Your "most libertarian candidate evah!!" declared that he favored state funded sex changes for prison inmates. So, he's palming off a libertarianism that happily cedes principle to progressivism while specifically alienating conservatism, not even deigning to hold a public conversation with right libertarian figures.
Is Trump less libertarian than Oliver? Probably. But, unless you're being deliberately obtuse, you're missing the whole thesis. Oliver isn't going to win. The decision is should I vote for a guy whose particular brand of libertarianism is indifferent to hostile to my own to send the message, and only send the message, that I want the most "some-sort-of" libertarian? Or do I vote for the guy who, although less libertarian, is more likely to move the needle in the libertarian direction, because he might actually get elected.
I'll just respond to this one part for now:
Your “most libertarian candidate evah!!” declared that he favored state funded sex changes for prison inmates.
His ACTUAL answer is more complicated than that.
https://x.com/OrcinusWasHere/status/1852927428882010301
Chase's ACTUAL answer was that prisoners should get medical care that is medically necessary, and that the president should have zero role in that. It should be left up to what doctors professionally decide. Because, get this, prisoners are not free to leave and make their own health care decisions for themselves. They are wards of the state as far as health care goes. And by necessity their health care is going to be paid by the state.
Your side twisted his answer into "he wants prisoners to get state-funded sex change surgeries!!!" That is a dishonest and misleading representation of his position.
So his position is not the Team Blue position of "prisoners should get sex change surgeries no matter what", and is not the Team Red position of "the government should be making medical decisions about prisoners based on political considerations". It is closer to a libertarian case, as much as can be the case for a prisoner.
So yes I will absolutely take Chase's instincts on the matter instead of Team Blue's or Team Red's. If you disagree, please tell us why the government should be making life-or-death decisions on behalf of prisoners based on what "the public" feels is icky or not.
A sex change is not life/death.
And taxpayers don’t want to fund them.
The "doctors" promoting sexual mutilation are proven quacks to whom the taxpayers have no reason or obligation to cater. An MD after your name means that you went to trade school to learn the technique of allopathic medicine. It in no way indicates honesty, compassion, integrity, or any other virtue.
Is Trump less libertarian than Oliver? Probably.
lol, you know the answer to this.
Oliver is 1,000% more libertarian than Trump. You aren’t going to vote for him out of purely identitarian reasons.
The decision is should I vote for a guy whose particular brand of libertarianism is indifferent to hostile to my own to send the message, and only send the message, that I want the most “some-sort-of” libertarian?
I think you should vote for the guy who advocates for more liberty. A vote for the 'lesser evil' is still a vote for evil, and not for liberty.
For the record, if Dave Smith had been the LP candidate, I would be voting for him. I probably wouldn't be as happy about it, but even a Dave Smith is preferable to Orange Jesus or Kamamamalammma.
Oliver is 1,000% more libertarian than Trump. You aren’t going to vote for him out of purely identitarian reasons.
So, about 100,000% more libertarian than Harris? Odd that you still prefer Team Blue.
Another ignorant dupe eager to convince libertarians to vote AGAINST what we want. Republicans cried like spacked babies when instead of repealing Comstock laws they helped elect Cleveland, then tried to blame the prohibition party for their idiocy.
There's None of the Above, spoiling your ballot or just abstaining. I prefer to vote LP.
Chace Oliver is a Marxist, not a single libritarian will vote for him
Disagree with Gillespie on everything else if you wish, but this is totally a description of what the two major parties do.
The Fuck? You do realize the only Reason we’re talking about any of this is because until ~2012 people otherwise like Elon Musk and Donald Trump were liable to fall anywhere across the political spectrum and the reason we’re here is because pretty much anyone who isn’t Kamala Harris hates children, the environment, immigrants, brown people, women, Jews, and Palestinians, and Loves Putin, right? Once again, Leftists and Progressives didn’t just show up in the LP in 2024 and pick Chase Oliver abd Kamala Harris has a pretty connect-the-dots political line that traces across political parties back through Biden, Obama, Bush, and Clinton.
“The real problem with the 1932 German Election was all those other parties gatekeeping their political ideas and sociopolitical footholds.”
So, based on what I've been told at Reason, both Trump and Kamala are Hitler?
Ctrl + f free speech = 0
Ctrl + f censorship = 0
Ctrl + f political prosecutions = 0
Ctrl + f mandatory vaccinations = 0
Ctrl + f lawfare = 0
Ctrl + f show trials and kangaroo courts = 0
Huh, I guess the only things to be worried about this election is a strong stock market and more food trucks. Thanks, Nick.
I'm not above partisanship
You have no right to complain about partisanship of others, then.
In fact, you are as much of the problem as the other voters.
Who are you voting for?
The intelligent question is what political platform are you voting for?
Democrats = Socialist Slavery
Republicans = Socialist Slavery Lite.
up/down, not left/right this time ...
The genius of America is that we survive almost any fool presiding over us.
Amen brother.
100% of snowflakes and political victims disagree.
I beg to differ. Conservatives, by and large, agree.
Ya, both sides are the same, except one side is a rapist racist traitor fascist liar fraudster felon. The other is a normal Democratic candidate. Oh wait, they are nothing alike.
Yes, you described Kamala well as a racist traitor fascist liar fraudster.
Meh
D-
Sad.
Why do lefty shit-piles lie so transparently? Hoping someone will buy that pile of manure? Abysmal stupidity?
No lie. Each of those is true. Which do you disagree with?
No. Explicit and purposeful lying, and you know you are lying.
How is Trump a rapist? How is Trump a racist? How is Trump a traitor? How is Trump a fascist? How is Trump a liar? How is Trump a fraudster? How is Trump a felon?
The constant overt lies, the Russia hoax, the fine people hoax, the firing squad hoax, the J6 hoax, the E. Jean Carroll hoax, ad nauseam. Lie after lie after lie after lie.
Why would you write that? Let's put aside the likely explanation that you are a total moron. Do you think this is funny? I doubt you are a Russian plant because I would expect better of them. What is your motivation?
Simple: You're a TDS-addled lying pile of shit. FOAD.
Wow I never thought you would call out Biden like that!
Online some libertarian is absolutely outraged that some libertarians are going to vote for Oliver instead of Trump.
No one ever accused the LP of being free of the crazies, just saying.
His main thesis is that Oliver is "stealing" votes from Trump. Quite frankly, of Oliver does "spoil" the vote it will be the first time in fifty years anyone sat up and took note of the party. It might actually usher in the Libertarian Moment!
Every national poll I've seen has Oliver well under one percent and Libertarian presidential candidates typically under perform the polling. Oliver is irrelevant.
^Shit that never happened. This may've played for Gary Johnson. Maybe even for Jo. But for Chase it's hedging as close to patently dishonest partisan hackery as possible. You're turning into an equally unfunny, unsad, just terribly retarded noise generator like sarcasmic or mtrueman.
I hope the LP takes the opportunity of losing their guaranteed ballot spot with this idiotic race to focus on smaller races they might have a shot at.
Yeah, great idea, but.
The problem is that most states decide whether to continue ballot access for any office, including local ones, based on the party’s performance for a statewide office, or sometime only looking at the top office on the ballot.
For example, in TX, if the LP doesn’t get 2% in one of the high profile statewide races (POTUS, US Senator, justice of one of the top courts, or railroad commissioner) then ballot access gets cancelled for all offices: state legislator, county commissioner, etc.
Then anyone who wanted to run for one of those would have to individually petition, and would get on only as an independent, not a Libertarian. It’s easier to do one statewide petition for the whole party, and then try to get 2% for a seat on one of our dual supreme courts in order to stay on. Then any number of local offices can be contested, and until recently we’d have as many as 50 candidates.
The party needs to actually do the work to qualify for those ballots. If they want to be taken seriously, the party needs to, for a change, act like adults.
"...Quite frankly, of Oliver does “spoil” the vote it will be the first time in fifty years anyone sat up and took note of the party..."
For the very good reason that the party is totally irrelevant.
A prog extremist is only going to pull votes away from the other prog extremist. The Reasonista Democratic wing didn't think their clever plan through.
Other than the label how is th fag a libritarian?
Perhaps Reason could spend less time/resources covering the horrible candidates and more time covering good candidates we can be proud to vote for. I appreciate the coverage of Chase Oliver, but even a great candidate like him gets far less coverage than Reason gives to candidates who it acknowledges are terrible. Plus, it would be nice to see Reason provide more coverage and visibility to down ballot Libertarian candidates (I'm biased, as I'm one of them).
Good luck tomorrow.
Maybe the down ballot Ls should consider sponsoring a DC cocktail party for the Reason staffers?
Are you a real libertarian or a California Democrat parading as a libertarian like Mike Laursen?
"...but even a great candidate like him..."
You have an active fantasy life.
Who did you vote for?
Good luck, Steven!
Harris was co-pilot during an equally mediocre run in the White House
Please feel free to share your observations on executive decisions such that you believe Harris has not been, and will not be, markedly inferior.
While I may not agree with your arguments in detail, both major candidates are in fact terrible. But quite frankly, none of the minor candidates are any good either. All of them have huge warts. It's not even a Hobson's choice because I would clearly prefer none in this case. In a nation as full of talent as ours, it is stunning to me that we can't put forward a decent candidate.
In a nation as full of talent as ours, it is stunning to me that we can’t put forward a decent candidate.
Actually this is a healthy sign. All the decent people have better things to do.
Make that a huge negative on democracy. The only ones stepping up to do the governing job are shitty.
Since everyone hates these candidate, I have a new idea for primaries. Call them the disqualification round. We can argue about how to get on the primary ballot, but voters get to indicate yes or no for each candidate. Only those getting 50% or greater approval get to move on to the general election.
As I've pointed out many times, celebrity politician death match is the only way to save the Republic.
Two Men Enter, One Man Leaves
I’d pay $17.76 to watch that.
Would there be a Groupon for that? I’m only willing to go $10 to watch fat, out of shape senior citizens beat each other with canes.
only one destroys your rights to be you. wow you guys are a collective of short-sighted 11 year-olds.
Took that I stand with survey thing and scored 90 percent Libertarian, 80 percent Constitution, and 77 percent Republican. Neither the Ls or Cs will win place or show. Simple pragmatism dictates a vote for Trump.
92% Constitution
86% Libertarian
82% GOP
...
9% Socialist
7% Democratic
I wanna say it's weird that Democrats are 2% further away from the Constitution and Liberty than Socialists, but I lived through "The Libertarian Case For Bernie Sanders" so none of this shit is really weird.
92% Constitution
Why am I not surprised. You and the theocrats deserve each other.
I'm 57% sure that Trump aligns better with a generally libertarian answer matrix on the Isidewith quizticle.
Jeff is 57% Trump. Add in his obesity and he is 114% Trump.
He is also 42% raging authoritarian shown by his Kamala matching.
And 10% cholesterol.
Only 10%?
10% by weight, or volume?
is like these yoyos have never contemplated they are being Ruled.
I'll take mine tonight, but I'm pretty sure last time it was something like 94% C, 90% L, and like 84% R. Oddly, even the Green party has more in common with my views than democrats.
An isidewith from the writers here would likely be inverterted compared to most commenters. It's also interesting that there can be so much agreement in these between R, C, and L positions. A Libertarian publication would be wise to reflect that.
No, they need to spend all their time squaring the circle between D-L and M
William Buckley suggested that you should vote for the most conservative candidate who has a chance of winning. You seem rightly concerned that NY makes it difficult to vote for the candidate of your choice.
Trump at least is for preserving your ability to vote in a fair election, the alternative has stated a desire to allow illegals into the country by the millions, ship them to swing states, pass laws allowing them to vote (democratic), add two states with liberal senators, pack the supreme court so they can ignore the constitution, then systematically take your liberty away from you.
I don't blame you for thinking the choices should be better, I feel that way too. You have two legitimate options and only two. SO, I do blame you for wasting your God given opportunity to have an influence on the opportunity to promote liberty.
way to be all prudent and well-stated.
lol what? Trump actively tried in 2020 to nullify an election and eliminate the right to vote for everyone. He is planning to do the same thing now. His thugs are planning to disrupt the election and the certification. Trump does not care one lick about fair elections.
And what you said about the Ds is BS and you know it.
Just a reminder:
In January 2017, after Trump’s win, House Democrats objected to certifying the election results in 9 states.
Alabama
Florida
Georgia
Michigan
Mississippi
North Carolina
South Carolina
Wisconsin
Wyoming
About 70 House Democrats boycotted Trump’s inauguration, and thousands of Democrats protested in DC by attacking government buildings, and starting fires, and in three other cities besides.
And in the past, Democrats have objected to Electoral College results on the flimsiest possible grounds. In 2001, 2005 and 2017, Democratic Representatives and, in 2005, Senators voted against accepting the Electoral College tally. Thus, every Republican president since George H. W. Bush has seen Democrats vote against accepting the legitimacy of his election.
And you want to talk about seditious acts? From the NYT:
“Ms. Pelosi also said she had spoken with Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, about “preventing an unstable president from initiating military hostilities or accessing the launch codes.” . . .
But some Defense Department officials have privately expressed anger that political leaders seemed to be trying to get the Pentagon to do the work of Congress and Cabinet secretaries, who have legal options to remove a president.
Mr. Trump, they noted, is still the commander in chief, and unless he is removed, the military is bound to follow his lawful orders. While military officials can refuse to carry out orders they view as illegal, they cannot proactively remove the president from the chain of command. That would be a military coup, these officials said.”
Trying to incite a military coup is sedition.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/us/politics/trump-impeachment-pelosi.html
Do you work in agriculture? Because that was solid cherry picking. We have never seen a losing presidential candidate do what Trump did, not even close.
Do MAGAs not think about what would have happened if Trump was able to nullify the election? It would have been an unprecedented disaster.
Hahahahahahaha.
Goddamn Molly.
Your side tried to nullify the 2016 election.
https://mtracey.medium.com/the-most-predictable-election-fraud-backlash-ever-4187ba31d430
John Podesta, the Hillary Clinton campaign chairman whose Gmail account was reputed to have been successfully “phished” by fearsome Russian “hackers,” issued a statement demanding that electors be granted an unheard-of “intelligence briefing” — with the implication for what should be done with that “briefing” information too obvious to need stating outright.
That was just the beginning.
"...Do MAGAs not think about what would have happened if Trump was able to nullify the election? It would have been an unprecedented disaster."
Doing lying piles of TDS-addled shit believe their own lies, or just hope we do?
FOAD, asshole.
Never change, moron Molly. Well, unless you want to change into compost. Feel free to do that.
New York allows Fusion aka Cross-Endorsement. Parties such as the Conservatives and Working Families endorse the Republican and the Democrat and get enough votes to stay on the ballot. When the Libertarians or the Greens run their own candidates, and don’t meet the threshold, they don’t requalify. As of 2020, the threshold was changed from 50k votes to 130k. Starting from scratch with petitioning has had requirements increased.
Albany Times-Union editorial
I would still allow cross-endorsement, on freedom of association grounds.
NYS Libertarians would have been a laughing stock had they cross-endorsed Trump.
considering that most of the new debt he added to the nation's came before COVID-19 tanked the economy.
You're not supposed to bring Donnie's shitty Pre-Covid economic record up.
It makes his Cultists angry.
Well this is a lie as even Eric Boehm admitted, reluctantly. 70% of the debt prior to covid was from entitlements and payments on the debt.
You know this. You just like to lie. And like child porn.
I quoted Nick, you retard.
Are you going to stop campaigning for Fatass Donnie after the election is called?
turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
The problem is coercive government. The solution is to prohibit government coercion.
Can I have a pony, too?
No, you will take your Pegasus and be happy with it
Last week, I voted early and wrote in the Libertarian Party presidential candidate Chase Oliver on my New York ballot.
What were your downballot votes, just out of curiosity?
Also would you have voted for Baby Killer LGBT Pedo if you lived in a battleground state, instead of Safely-Blue New York?
Aside from the Reason staff, I know of no one who has even heard of Chase Oliver never mind plans to vote for him. I’m guessing he will have a job at Reason soon.
As far as I can tell, Oliver has zero experience. Being president is more than putting together a campaign platform.
As far as we can tell, you are a steaming pile of lefty shit.
Typical MAGA, unable to make any factual argument so they just resort to name calling.
Careful there glass house.
I'm not even a Trump supporter, but just because I defend him every now against unfair attacks/accusations, somehow I'm still apparently I'm a garbage racist Nazi the equal of Hitler himself like any routine red-cap cultist.
Don't go projecting. The Democrats have a straight-up monopoly on avoiding factual argument and resorting to name calling.
"Typical MAGA, unable to make any factual argument so they just resort to name calling."
Typical lying, steaming, pile of TDS-addles shit assuming s/he's worth anything other than name calling. You aren't ass-wipe.
FOAD.
"As far as I can tell, Oliver has zero experience."
To be fair neither did Trump. He did have name recognition, charisma and a more atypical platform for a GOP frontrunner. Oliver is indistinguishable from the previous two LP candidates. They're all whitebread.
A faggot Marxist pedo? Sbp already filled that spot
We have a Chase Oliver lawn sign. I initially thought it might lead to some interesting conversations, one way or another, but as with most lawn signs, passers-by have been ignoring it.
If my vote for POTUS mattered in Virginia, I would drag myself to vote against Kameltoe and the rest of the dipshit party. But since it doesn’t, I take satisfaction in the shocked looks I get when I’m asked if I’ve voted yet and I tell them no, and don’t plan to.
If your vote mattered, who would you have voted for?
Ladies and gentlemen, please meet the enemy.
If you vote for the 'lesser evil', you are still voting for evil.
More specifically, if you like how things have been going over the past, say, 40 years, then keep voting for Team Red or Team Blue.
If you like out of control spending, then vote for Team Red or Team Blue.
If you like politicians trying to score cheap votes by scapegoating the hell out of a powerless class of people, then vote for Team Red or Team Blue.
If you like politicians who treat liberty as a mere afterthought, and not as the primary purpose of government, then vote for Team Red or Team Blue.
At some point you are going to have to deal with reality and adult choices.
Vote for Dr. Jill Stein! She’s something of an American Nationalist now because the Global Greens kicked the US Greens out (or vice versa) for opposing US support for Ukraine or stealing votes from Kamala Harris or something. I’m proud that America’s far left environmentalist wacko party candidate rejects globalism (somewhat) , war and the anti-democratic demands of Euro-commie scum.
If I wasn’t voting Trump tomorrow I’d vote for Dr. Jill. My second choice would be Randall Terry who ran a cool mangled fetus ad on local TV that was preceded and followed by warnings, disclaimers and disavowals from the broadcast station. I haven’t seen the “US Law forces us to run this offensive ad” since JB Stoner ran for US Senate and other offices in GA back in the 1970s.
Randall Terry has won more delegates than Kamala Harris in Democrat Party Presidential Primaries. He won 2 in Oklahoma in 2012. Kamala’s total is zero.
Trump loses out on the Gillespie endorsement but picks up an endorsement from a slightly less high profile figure:
https://x.com/joerogan/status/1853614670764015762
"Trump presidency ... most of the new debt he added to the nation's came before COVID-19 tanked the economy."
BS LIE.
I followed all the links to links to links and the "new debt he added" source is on a OVER 10-Years-Later projected debt. No; you don't get to say OVER 10-YEARS of debt was added "before" COVID. That is 100% dishonest. Maybe Bidens added debt will be $500 TRILLION over the next 30-years; lets use that and say it was all added "before" Biden's first year.
"He pushed to shut the country down and put together the very team of awful public health bureaucrats he spends a lot of time railing against"
Um No.
Biden told CNN on Thursday that he asked Fauci to become his chief medical adviser and part of his COVID-19 response team.
Apparently people do have to LIE; to make Trump so horrible after all.
This is a ridiculous article. The two main candidates are polling about as well as virtually any other two main candidates have polled in the past 16 elections. JFK and Nixon back in 1960 had numbvers very close to Harris and Trump. Likewise for Bush and Gore in 2000, and these are just examples. If this year's polls were so bad for the candidates we would not be seeing what will likely be record voter turnout if early voting is an indication. Find some other issue ti whine about.
They both have persistent net negative favorability ratings well beyond the margin of error. The number of people voting for each of them exceeds the number who like or are even neutral about them, and not by some small amount. It’s tens of millions of voters.
They’re voting against the one they hate more. And the turnout is high because they really hate them.
You're.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
Trump got my vote, since he is the best POTUS we've had for a century. TDSs-addled shit-piles like you focus on extraneous issues and are to be mocked.
FOAD, asshole.
I agree, Nick, but I did not vote until Monday, November 4, because I was on vacation during most of October, and not near Internet access, an ordinary telephone, or AC electric power. I got some good hiking in, however.
This pathetic equivocation by Nick is all I expect from Reason anymore. It is simple. One candidate is for censorship, lawfare, government overreach, health mandates, child abuse, uncontrolled borders, wrong think, and media propaganda. The other isn't. Reason isn't a libertarian publication. It's a bunch of Comic Book Guys sniffing about their political erudition while mocking any practical choice. In the great words of Rush: If you chose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
Dow-Jones doing swell? What if, just what if, a lot of that surplus money the Fed has been printing has been used to create a bubble in stock market valuations? What if, just what if, that bubble were to burst?
What if, what if DAVEH is pitching some idiocy?
I would agree that both Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump are terrible candidates. I could not bring myself to vote for either of them, but recognize that one of them will be the next President.
I disagree regarding Chase Oliver as I feel that he is also a terrible candidate and terrible for the Libertarian party.
As an independent who has many libertarian views, but not a member of the Libertarian party, Chase Oliver represents some of the very worst aspects of libertarian-ism that are out of touch with reality.
To me Chase Oliver seems to be a bit of an infiltrator to keep the Libertarian party from gaining any meaningful relevance. I prefer the controversial tactics of gaining relevance by inviting non-libertarian politicians to speak at the national convention, of actually meeting with and explaining libertarian ideas with politicians versus zero exposure.
Purity will never increase the exposure of the Libertarian party. The Libertarian party has to become open to the concept of incremental gains where they can be made. Sacrificing the good in favor of the perfect will result in absolutely zero.
I chose a imperfect candidate who withdrew from the race and even endorsed a candidate who I will not vote for, but was still on my ballot so less effort than writing in someone else.
Push come to shove, with one of two terrible candidates as our next president, the current vice president Kamala Harris is the most terrible choice and deserves to lose much more than Trump deserves to lose. Not a ringing endorsement as much as recognition of the serious danger presented by the unified block of corporate media and the appointed choice of the ruling elitists.
"me or my fellow citizens who are holding out for something better" -- you're holding out for some alternate reality in which the country has made different collective choices in the past. If the country had decided last year to start a war, and was deciding today between surrendering or continuing, would you not vote because you're "holding out" for something better -- like never starting it? The country has collectively decided some time back to narrow its choice to Harris/Trump. Decided badly, but so what? It's still your country, it's facing decisions in its actual reality (not in some alternate-history reality) it needs to make, and you need to make them. That it wouldn't be facing the bad choices had it listened to you in the past is simply irrelevant. What's relevant is that it's your country, however collectively stupid it may be, and its decisions are yours to make.
Look, if you've got TDS, that's your own cross to bear, but Kamala is the first candidate since Roosevelt who has literally violated the 13th amendment, for fuck's sake.
-jcr
Unable to tell the difference between kamala and Trump. That's lubbertarianism in a nut shell -- emphasis on the nut.
Dr Gillespie makes a good case for voting for what we want. But the tiniest bit of math shows that ALL major shifts in policies, platforms and laws come from the platforms of small parties able to attract enough leveraged spoiler votes to cover the gap between Tweedledumb and Tweedlethem. The looters understand the math perfectly. Then there are the obvious correlations showing that major Crashes and Depressions are invariably sparked by GOP goons kicking in doors and confiscating assets because "reefer madness."