How the Political Spectrum Turned Inside Out
From 9/11 to the COVID-19 pandemic, crisis moments keep reshaping the political landscape.

The political landscape of two decades ago seems almost unrecognizable now. Back then, opposing wars and the surveillance state was so completely coded as left-wing that Republicans regularly denounced Ron Paul as a liberal squish. Some of the same cable news pundits who cheer for Democrats today were almost universally viewed as paladins of the right. Vaccines weren't really seen as a left/right issue at all—and if you pushed people to tell you which tribe was more open to anti-vaxxism, they'd likely as not point to the crunchy left.
Some of the changes since then simply reflect shifts in particular individuals' images or opinions. (If you think too hard about what the politics of the Taylor Swift/Kanye West beef used to be, you'll get a headache.) But there's been a deeper transformation too. Ponder that phrase I just used: "the crunchy left." In an era when the conservative press is increasingly prone to publishing paeans to alternative diets and cottagecore lifestyles, how many people still think crunchy implies left in the first place?
When George W. Bush was president, Alex Jones was a vaguely countercultural figure who had cameos in Richard Linklater movies and filled his website with denunciations of police brutality. Insurgent liberals tried to claim a little populist cred by styling themselves "libertarian Democrats." There was serious talk of asking Sen. Jim Webb (D–Va.)—a Second Amendment-friendly Vietnam veteran who celebrated Southern Scots-Irish culture and admired the Jacksonian populist tradition—to be Barack Obama's running mate. Partly for the contrast, yes, but also because both were early critics of the Iraq War.
A decade later, there was serious talk of asking Webb to be Donald Trump's secretary of defense. I don't think Webb's worldview changed substantially in that period. So what did? How did the political spectrum get turned inside out?
Crises and Coalitions
The easy answer would be that our maps of the spectrum are constantly evolving, as different issues emerge, disappear, and grow or shrink in salience. While COVID-19 was raging, the conservative New York Post ran a story about the Hong Kong flu of 1968–69, pointing out that no one was social distancing at the Woodstock festival; the effect was to make that hippie mecca sound like a monument to old-fashioned American grit and resilience. I don't think many conservatives in 1969 spoke of Woodstock in those terms. But by 2020, "What do you think of hippies?" was no longer a significant political question and "What do you think of COVID?" was.
Yet the changes I'm describing here go beyond that sort of constant churn, for at least three reasons. The first is the presence of another political dimension beyond left and right: a factor that nine academics, writing in 2021 for the American Journal of Political Science, called an "anti-establishment orientation." The people who adopt this worldview, these scholars wrote, distrust "the established political order irrespective of partisanship and ideology."
I'll be using that term a bit more broadly than the folks who coined it do. They define the orientation as a particularly Manichean and conspiratorial sort of populism: As two of the authors, Adam Enders and Joseph Uscinski, put it in a follow-up paper for The Forum, the worldview involves "an innate struggle between the good 'people' and a nefarious, self-serving 'establishment.'" But I'll be roping in a broader range of Americans whose politics are shot through with distrust for powerful institutions, even if they're also cynical about ordinary people or think our leaders are more misguided than evil. The important thing for our purposes is that this distrust operates independently of "left-wing" and "right-wing" concerns. It might lead someone to jump from supporting Bernie Sanders to Donald Trump to Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
The second reason these changes go beyond the normal year-to-year churn is education polarization: Voters with college degrees are increasingly likely to be Democrats, and voters without them to be Republicans. This isn't a uniquely American phenomenon—similar diploma divides have opened in most Western democracies—and so it probably stems from more than just American causes. But as suburbanites with lots of schooling identify more often with the party deemed liberal, and as working-class people who didn't go to college identify more often with the party deemed conservative, the definitions of liberal and conservative are bound to evolve. If some of those voters are closer to the antiestablishment orientation than to the conventional left or right, that will intensify the effect.
The third reason is a series of three events, each of which threw U.S. institutions into crisis mode: 9/11, the Great Recession, and the COVID pandemic. Besides their immediate direct effects on the country (by, say, killing nearly 3,000 people and destroying an iconic part of the New York skyline), these allowed the government to adopt emergency powers, reshaping society in more sweeping and pervasive ways. That put a different set of issues at the center of our debates, sparking rapid changes in our political coalitions. And since many of those new policies enriched or empowered large, hierarchical social institutions, the antiestablishmentarians were especially open to finding new allies.
Each of those events also coincided, more or less, with a switch in which party occupied the White House, making the landscape even more fluid. The 9/11 attacks came just eight months after Bush entered the Oval Office, transforming what until then looked like it might be a low-key presidency whose biggest foreign policy concern would be trade with Mexico. The Great Recession began while Obama was running for president, and it arguably ensured his election; Joe Biden, similarly, took power while the pandemic was underway.
The one change in presidencies that did not coincide with one of these emergency events came with Trump's election in 2016. Needless to say, a large swath of the country regarded his arrival as an emergency too, though the beginning of his term didn't bring the kind of big, sudden shifts in public policy that we saw after 9/11 or the financial meltdown. (Before COVID hit, Trump's most substantial changes to the system lay in the judges he appointed. And it is the nature of judicial appointments to show their impact in the long term: Trump made it possible to overturn Roe v. Wade, but not until Biden was in office.) Trump's rise to power was itself a consequence of two crises—it is difficult to imagine him being elected in a world without the war on terror or the Great Recession. But since his election fell between crisis events, we will treat it as a separate turning point.
We can use those milestones to divide the 21st century into several distinct eras, each with its own distinct political landscape. The first few months of the millennium, with the country led by a lame-duck Bill Clinton and then a peacetime George W. Bush, were more an extension of the last century than a part of the new one. Then we got the period from 9/11 to the Great Recession, the period from the recession until Election Day 2016, and the period from Trump's win until COVID. Americans then retreated into their homes (or were told to, anyway) before emerging into—well, we'll get to what we emerged into soon enough.
First, let's revisit that time between the first two crises. In particular—since all sorts of interest groups and voting blocs have drifted from one coalition to another in this century, and we haven't space to cover them all—let's focus on that most footloose force in politics, the antiestablishment sector.
From the Fall of the Towers to the Fall of Bear Stearns
In the wake of 9/11, the most conspicuous topic of debate was terrorism. Officials invoked the threat of another attack to justify everything from the occupation of Iraq to the detentions at Guantanamo Bay.
There were other issues, of course. The GOP mobilized socially conservative voters by campaigning against gay marriage, a concept that was much more controversial then. And Democrats defeated a Republican plan for the quasi-privatization of Social Security—itself a sign that the spectrum had been reshuffled, given that a Democratic president had been working on a bipartisan quasi-privatization plan just seven years earlier. (The impeachment fight of 1998 derailed it.) But no matter how excited people got about entitlements or same-sex unions, the political spectrum centered around the war on terror. And that didn't change until the housing and banking dominos started falling in 2007–08.
At the beginning of this era, public horror over the September 11 attacks gave the administration wide latitude to respond as it pleased. Shortly after 9/11, a Gallup poll showed 88 percent of the public backing the initial military operation in Afghanistan. Only one member of Congress—the California progressive Rep. Barbara Lee—voted against the resolution that authorized it. The rump opposition was a mix of leftists, libertarians, and paleoconservatives, and even these groups were divided, with many figures favoring at least a limited response to the assault. (At Antiwar.com, Justin Raimondo published a column a few weeks after 9/11 headlined "Kill 'Em—and Get Out.") At this point, in fact, many antiestablishment sorts were enthusiastically pro-war: In the wake of a foreign attack, it's not hard for a suspicious nature to be turned more toward enemies abroad than enemies in high places. Indeed, if they become convinced that some of their domestic enemies are agents of those enemies abroad, those suspicions can at least temporarily turn populists into enthusiastic enforcers of the state of emergency—albeit ones whose eagerness to ferret out foes can disrupt the social order if it goes further than their rulers prefer.
Iraq was much more controversial than Afghanistan. While Democratic leaders lined up to support the war, there was a fair amount of dissension among the party's rank and file, fueling Howard Dean's insurgent 2004 presidential campaign and energizing the so-called netroots of online liberals. Four years after Dean's campaign fizzled, a freshman Illinois senator named Barack Obama, who had opposed the Iraq invasion, snatched the party's presidential nomination from Hillary Clinton, who hadn't.
While a number of prominent pro-war bloggers described themselves as libertarians, the main libertarian institutions, from the Cato Institute to the Mises Institute to the Libertarian Party, opposed attacking Iraq. (Reason published arguments on multiple sides of the issue, though the editor and most of the magazine staff opposed the war.) There was also a small group of antiwar conservatives centered around The American Conservative, who didn't really have a political home. (When the magazine invited 18 writers to weigh in on the 2008 election, more of them backed Obama than the Republican, though the majority refused to vote for either one.) All this created more space for antiestablishment left/right/libertarian cooperation.
With dissident Democrats feeling excluded both from the government and from their party's leadership, for example, there was a small genre of think pieces about the alliances that might emerge if liberals found their inner libertarian or libertarians found their inner liberal. In Salon in 2005, future Reason editor Matt Welch declared that the "Republicans are now the party of big government and optimistic Wilsonian adventures abroad, while the Democrats flirt anew with federalism, fiscal sobriety and sour isolationism"; he urged the Dems to go all-in on Wild West antiauthoritarianism. The following summer, Daily Kos' Markos Moulitsas claimed to have identified a new breed of "libertarian Dems," though on closer examination libertarian turned out to be his way of rebranding modern American liberal: In Moulitsas' account, the libertarian Democrat defends the Bill of Rights but also wants an active government to protect us from corporations. At the end of the year, Brink Lindsey, then based at the Cato Institute, wrote a New Republic story headlined "Liberaltarians." He wasn't very enthusiastic about the politicians Moulitsas had been hailing, but he still was hopeful about fusing "libertarian means and progressive ends."
If any of this was to manifest itself in political activity on the ground, as opposed to the dreams of bloggers and columnists, pundits expected it to appear in the Southwest or the Rockies, where Democrats were used to courting leave-me-alone voters. Writing in The New Republic right after the midterm elections of 2006, Thomas B. Edsall suggested that "a new Democratic ideology—pragmatic, culturally conservative, libertarian—has begun to emerge in the Mountain West." He noted that Jon Tester, one of Moulitsas' alleged libertarian Democrats, had just won Montana's Senate race with a campaign that did not merely attack the USA PATRIOT Act but in the process managed to outflank his Republican opponent on gun rights. Edsall concluded that the Western Dems transcended the divide between the Clintonian centrists and the left, making them "uniquely well-positioned to help break the Democrats' ideological logjam."
Needless to say, that isn't what happened. No one calls Tester a libertarian anymore. Maybe Colorado Gov. Jared Polis carries that old Mountain West flag, but he's an outlier. In the Democrats' 2008 presidential primaries, the candidate who came closest to embodying Moulitsas' prototype—former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel—didn't get many votes; he eventually made a bid for the Libertarian Party's nomination instead. Ironically, the 2008 candidate who best embodied the hopes of the people calling for a liberal-libertarian alliance was running in the Republican primaries: By arguing forcefully against the Iraq quagmire, wartime restrictions on civil liberties, and Bush's corporatist economic policies, Rep. Ron Paul (R–Texas)—himself a former Libertarian presidential nominee—made many progressive doves swoon.
The same impulse that had netroots liberals flirting with libertarians also had them flirting with populists. Sometimes they crossed the streams: One of the figures identified as a "libertarian Dem" in Moulitsas' article was Webb, who appealed to some libertarians with his arguments against the Iraq War and for criminal justice reform but whose views on trade and other issues ultimately put him in a different category. Indeed, Webb's platform of economic populism and foreign-policy restraint felt almost—dare I say it?—America First.
When the Obama team reached out about giving Webb the vice presidential slot, the Virginia senator shot the idea down by declaring that he had no interest in the office. ("After being approached several times by the campaign and by Obama himself," Webb recalls, "I declined to be considered at all.") If you want to imagine a really different configuration for the political spectrum today, imagine a timeline where Webb took the job and became Obama's designated successor.
Speaking of America First: The country music legend Merle Haggard acquired a right-wing reputation during his first burst of fame in the 1960s and '70s, thanks to listeners who took his songs "Okie From Muskogee" and "The Fightin' Side of Me" as hippie-hating anthems. But his politics were always more complicated than that, and even before 9/11 he had a history of worrying about government surveillance and intrusion. A little less than a year after the attacks, he made a wisecrack about Bush's attorney general at a concert in Kansas City: "I think we should give John Ashcroft a big hand—right in the mouth!" (He added: "The way things are going I'll probably be thrown in jail tomorrow for saying that, so I hope y'all will bail me out.") In 2003 he recorded "Lonesome Day," which imagined a future when "the men in black come kickin' in your door / and guitar-playin' outlaws lay spread-eagled on the floor." And by 2005 he was explicitly calling for pulling out of the Middle East in a song called, yes, "America First":
Our highways and bridges are falling apart
Who's blessed and who has been cursed?
There's things to be done all over the world
But let's rebuild America first…
Let's get out of Iraq and get back on the track
And let's rebuild America first
Bring the troops home, invest in infrastructure, fear the deep state, put America first: All this might scan as MAGA populism today, but at the time it was taken as a sign that Haggard had taken a turn to the left. Haggard himself didn't seem to think he was a man of the right: Appearing on Bill Maher's show Real Time in 2007, he greeted the audience with the line, "Good evening, friends and conservatives." He had made the same joke in concert at least as early as 2002.
Flash forward to the 2024 Republican National Convention. Each time vice presidential nominee J.D. Vance entered the hall during the first three nights of the gathering, the house played "America First" as his walk-on music. I can't say whether Haggard would have approved, but I'm pretty sure the Republican vice president of two decades earlier would not.
From Occupiers and Tea Partiers to Sanders and Trump
By the end of 2007, the Great Recession was underway and the economy was starting to replace terrorism as the nation's central package of political issues. The new crisis sparked two protest mobilizations, Occupy Wall Street on the left and the Tea Party movement on the right.
Occupy contained two big factions and several smaller ones. The big tribes were the left-anarchists and the social democrats, and they were constantly at odds: Many social dems wanted to put together a list of demands for economic reforms, while the anarchists disdained conventional politics, distrusted statist reforms, and were more interested in building a new society in the shell of the old. The smaller tribes included a contingent of Ron Paul libertarians, an assortment of Marxist sects, and the devotees of various conspiracy gurus, from Lyndon LaRouche to David Icke. Given how much the social democrats' influence would rise with Bernie Sanders' presidential campaigns, it may be jarring to remember that the anarchists seemed to have more momentum at the time—part of a global wave of horizontal and municipalist movements that had been erupting from Buenos Aires to Madrid, sparking dreams of more decentralized and participatory politics.
The Tea Party movement had an easier time overcoming its internal ideological divisions. For one thing, pretty much everyone involved was willing to engage in conventional politics. Also, it was built around economic issues—opposition to taxes, bailouts, Obamacare—which allowed libertarians and pro-market social conservatives to work side by side without much trouble. The more important tension among the Tea Partiers was the divide between the decentralized networks of grassroots volunteers and the centralized organizations of political professionals. The former absorbed a number of free-floating anti-establishment types, while the latter were more prone to promoting longtime Republican pols who had adopted Tea Party branding.
The true-believing Tea Partiers—the activists more interested in rolling back state power than in merely changing which party was exercising it—were more likely to be open to unusual alliances. Here and there, that included discussions with Occupy. In late 2011, for example, a group of local Occupiers and Tea Partiers exchanged ideas at an art gallery in Richmond, Virginia. One Tea Party activist told Salon afterward that the two groups "could be the mothers and fathers of a second American Revolution." (Put that on the pile of broken dreams.)
The war on terror periodically returned to the headlines, most notably with the rise of ISIS. But mostly it stayed in the background, where opinions were freer to drift. As disillusioned vets came home from Iraq and Afghanistan and as what initially looked like overseas victories turned stale, public sentiment turned against both wars. By 2013, a majority of Americans—67 percent—were telling an ABC/Washington Post poll that even the Afghan War hadn't been worth fighting in the first place. From Barbara Lee to the Heartland in just 12 years.
We knew for sure that the 9/11 era was not just dead but buried on February 20, 2016. A week earlier, a Republican presidential candidate named Donald Trump had stood on a debate stage in South Carolina, arguably the most hawkish state in the Union, and declared: "We should have never been in Iraq. We have destabilized the Middle East….They lied. They said there were weapons of mass destruction. There were none. And they knew there were none." On the 20th, he nonetheless won the state's Republican primary, finishing 10 points ahead of his nearest rival.
Trump did not govern as a dove, of course. And while he complained constantly about the surveillance state, he regularly signed bills to keep its powers in place; he seemed upset only that it sometimes aimed its surveillance at him and his allies. Nor did he seem interested in rolling back the crony capitalism that Tea Partiers had complained about. Indeed, the GOP's self-styled populists suddenly seemed less interested in complaining about crony capitalism at all; if you called it "industrial policy," they might even endorse it. When Republicans talked about the evils of big business now, they were less likely to be rejecting the corporate state and more likely to want to steer it in a new direction.
There was some good news for libertarians. Not only was the right less enthusiastic about foreign wars, but the left was more open to arguments about the ways superficially benign laws could expand the reach of police and prisons. But generally speaking, the antiestablishment right became more nationalist, the antiestablishment left became more socialist, and the space for left/right cooperation seemed to diminish. On the militant edges of politics, street protests were increasingly polarized between antifa radicals and alt-right reactionaries. (The latter, interestingly, drew in some ex-libertarians and ex-Occupiers.) At the beginning of the decade, ending mass incarceration had been a transpartisan issue; now the idea was increasingly coded as left-wing. That was partly because of the so-called Great Awokening, which moved race and gender toward the center of public debate, though here too there were complications: Some voices were chiefly interested in reducing police power, while others seemed more interested in expanding human resources bureaucracies.
As those arguments came to a head with the protests and riots of 2020, another crisis event was remaking the spectrum yet again. With COVID bringing a new set of issues to the center of American politics—lockdowns, mandates, masks, vaccines—a whole new antiestablishment configuration began to emerge.
Where Are We Now?
Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who spent much of 2024 running an independent presidential campaign, is an environmental attorney long associated with the left wing of the Democratic Party. He is also a scion of a prominent Democratic family, and his father ran an insurgent liberal presidential campaign in 1968. That same year an insurgent conservative, George Wallace, carried five states as the nominee of the new American Independent Party.
The American Independent Party still exists. In April 2024, it endorsed Kennedy for president.
One way to interpret that is to declare that Kennedy had simply become right-wing. But while the candidate has moved rightward on certain issues in the last few years—he has become more of a border hawk and toned down his support for gun control—he is still an environmentalist eager to raise the minimum wage and expand the government's support for housing and child care.
Another interpretation would be that the American Independent Party had become less right-wing. Kennedy implied this when he accepted its nomination: He insisted that the organization had been "reborn as a party that represents not bigotry and hatred but rather compassion and unity and idealism and common sense." But while we'll have to wait to see what positions the party takes in the future, it has a history of veering away from conventionally conservative economic stances. Wallace's presidential platform included calls for everything from strengthening Medicare to building high-speed rail. And while some of that got toned down after Wallace left the party, it didn't disappear entirely. When the Long Beach Independent Press-Telegram profiled the American Independent Party in 1974, for example, the paper found its members divided on the question of the anti-corporate crusader Ralph Nader. One speaker denounced him, but the chair of the Los Angeles County party declared that "Nader doesn't bother me. Maybe we need gadflies."
The cynical take on Kennedy's nomination would be that the candidate benefited from ballot access, the party benefited from having a well-known standard-bearer, and both said what they must to make that exchange work. And no doubt there's truth to that. But the chief reason for the alliance was surely more straightforward: Kennedy was a prominent critic of the government's COVID response, and he thus became attractive to voters who would have turned up their noses earlier. Another crisis had created yet another antiestablishment coalition.
As if to underline the point, the right-wing faction that controls the Colorado Libertarian Party attempted in July to snub the party nominee, Chase Oliver, and follow the American Independent Party's lead in giving Kennedy its presidential ballot line. The Libertarians' national secretary soon stepped in to stop this. But even if this merely almost happened, it's remarkable. In 2004—hell, in 2019—"a far-right splinter of the Libertarian Party nominates Robert Kennedy" would have sounded like a Mad Lib. COVID changed a lot.
Completing the circle, Kennedy then suspended his campaign and asked voters in the swing states to instead back Trump.
COVID accelerated some broader cultural trends too. A certain kind of conservative had long been attracted to alternative medicine. (Back in 1988, Jay Kinney noted that "the one place where the far right and the far left have been likely to meet is at the vitamin counter.") But this expanded enormously during the pandemic, and that helped amplify the right's other countercultural elements—the folks the conservative pundit Rod Dreher has dubbed "crunchy cons." A host of Whole Earth Catalog staples have grown more popular on the populist right: artisanal crafts, New Age spirituality, even psychedelics.
All that said, a certain stasis seemed to set in after the coronavirus, as though Americans emerged from lockdown only to find themselves entering a different sort of holding pattern. Politicians' COVID records have not been big factors in most postpandemic elections, except in the indirect sense that COVID spending helped fuel inflation. The Great Awokening has cooled somewhat too. The war in Gaza has intensified the divisions between the more and less hawkish factions of the Democratic Party, and the war in Ukraine has done something similar among the Republicans, but neither issue revamped the spectrum. The sense of stasis was underlined by what initially seemed to be a tired, wheezing rerun of a political campaign, with two old men who had already been president battling limply to hold the office for another four years or until they die, whichever comes first.
But then one of those old men dropped out of the race, and the other one picked a young running mate whose rhetoric frequently veers away from traditional Republican ideas. Beneath that static surface, elements were shifting, evolving, reassembling themselves, like a new consensus struggling to be born. You shouldn't expect the alliances of today to be the alliances of five years from now. And after another 20 years and who knows how many crises, who can say how the landscape will look?
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I cannot help but wonder if the turned inside out political spectrum that Jesse Walker wrote about reflects something much deeper; namely, our national spirit is
dyingflagging, and our politics merely reflect that diminishment. There is so much apathy and detachment by a significant proportion of society to our uniquely American ideals given to us by our Founders; even worse, a smaller subsegment of society is completely hostile to them (hint, hint -this last group includes the currently demonstrating students and activists on US college campuses, and calling for the death of the Jews). I don’t have an answer on how to reconcile the irreconcilable beliefs…try tolerance, not violence?There is a complete disconnect between the DC political and bureaucratic state, and the rest of the country. This disconnect has been growing for years, but it is now out in the open, with deadly results (Corey C was killed merely for attending a peaceful, non-violent political rally…a bullet meant for Pres Trump). The problem, so to speak, is in DC. It isn’t the people that are the problem; DC politicians, bureaucrats, administrators, and hangers-on with their arrogant, imperious disconnect from the people whose tax dollars pays for them, is the problem.
One thing I know for certain: Kamala Harris will never, ever reduce the size of the DC political, administrative, bureaucratic state. Not in a million years.
I used to joke that the Federal ‘Behemoth’ would never become a Federal ‘Leviathan’ because the People would never stand for it. Guess what? We have a DC Federal Leviathan that is corrupt, and perverts justice.
The disconnection is starting to morph into something far worse, and the anti-Semitic demonstrations on college campuses today is the canary in the coal mine — that is where this corrupt Leviathan is ultimately headed. Except this Leviathan won’t really care so much about ethnicity or color, as much as it cares about ideology. If you have ‘Wrong Think’, you’re toast. We see that today, no? The DOJ? The FBI?
IF (big if) Pres Trump is re-elected, if he does nothing else but reduce the DC Leviathan by an appreciable degree, it would be a major success. I say let Elon Musk decide who is essential and who is non-essential in DC. That seems fair — the DC Leviathan was quite happy to tell us who was essential and who was not essential during the pandemic.
If you want any chance to reduce the Federal Leviathan, and you believe that must be done now, only Pres Trump is talking about Downsizing DC. Just sayin’.
Downsize DC!
If you want any chance to reduce the Federal Leviathan, and you believe that must be done now, only Pres Trump is talking about Downsizing DC. Just sayin’.
I thought we were supposed to ignore what he says and focus on is record.
Fuck off, you shitty little garbage troll. 1. XY hasn't said that, and 2.downsizing was Trump's record until the very last year when Covid came along and governors decided to crash the economy.
You piss and moan that you're unfairly called a Democrat and then every single time someone speaks ill of the party, you rush to attack.
Fuck you.
This attack comparing Trump to Hitler by the very same people criticizing him for not acting as an authoritarian continues to amaze me.
Governors shut down the economy during covid, not Trump. Congress originates spending, not Trump. Him following the regulations of the constitution instead of pulling a Biden and just passing spending billsnwithout Congress is attacked by the same people calling him an authoritarian.
When our left-fascists accuse others of fascism they mean those others are defying left-fascism.
You're misusing the term "fascism". Fascism is right-wing authoritarianism. The left-wing authoritarianism is Leninism. I suppose Marxism might be okay for left-wing authoritarianism, but not really. It was Lenin who made Marxism authoritarian.
1. The common refrain from you and others when anyone quotes Trump is to ignore what he said and focus on his record. 2. Even if you want to dishonestly ignore his last year in office when he enthusiastically signed The CARES Act, the federal workforce, federal budget, and federal deficit and federal debt all increased over his entire term, including the first three years.
You piss and moan that you’re unfairly called a Democrat and then every single time someone speaks ill of the party, you rush to attack.
Only in your fevered mind.
Fuck you.
Please, you first.
I will repeat. You don't listen to what he says. You listen to what MSNBC tells you he said.
For someone who defends all his prior bullshit screaming context, you sure do love taking shit out of context.
Shorter Jesse: Stop contradicting me when I tell you what you think!
FOAD, steaming pile of TDS-addled lefty shit.
Your reading comprehension levels are amazing.
How many times have you given us a Trump DNC clipped quote and we’ve provided you with the full speech which you refuse to read?
Fine young people lie.
Rapists and murderers lie.
Rounding up 15M lie.
Find the votes lie.
Etc. Etc.
Oh look. Jesse is accusing me of doing what he does with my comments several times a day.
Oh look, here's an enormous hypocrite doing exactly that.
Sigh.
Pure projection as a defense for your bad acts.
Let's break it apart.
You take him out of context. We provide context with links.
When I post your quotes they are the entire post, not clipped. You are free to provide the links if you care to, you don't.
Trump quotes taken put or context = the trooph
Sarckles full quotes including links to the conversation = taken out of context
Shorter Sarcasmic: I'll tell you what you think!
Fuck you, trollboy.
^ This
^ This x2
HUH?? (Looks at puppet mask) I see... Jesse Wanker the schaißtposter, not Jesse Walker the insightful Reason writer. The wanker is probably banned by all other subscribers by now, save one.
Fuck off you insane old twat. You don't even realize that the sixties were 60 years ago.
You’re just a senile old hippie Marxist. Too bad you’re not a real libertarian, like us.
You don't actually listen to what he says lol. You listen to the MSNBC interpretation of what he says. Listen to the 3 hours on Rogan.
He talks about massive deregulation, cutting the debt (not even deficit), ending wars and troops over seas, etc.
Meanwhile day in and day out you scream covid and Hitler.
That is a fair criticism, sarcasmic. Pres Trump addressed that, albeit indirectly, during his JRE interview. He has promised to bring in people (like Elon, heh) to help 'rightsize' Federal government. He related relevant example of waste he would eliminate. We both know that Kamala will never, ever do that.
Prediction: Pres Trump won the election with that JRE interview. It has 26MM views in just a day. Politicos in the future will write about how this was the final 'check the box' for any remaining undecided voters.
As of Sunday, no word on Kamala doing JRE. The offer is there.
How much of the disconnect comes from leading factions of the left-elite, especially those who declare themselves "citizens of the world" who have no affinity--and more like outright disdain--for a nation called the USA?
Exactly. I live in NYC. Born in Manhattan. I am am surrounded by the left-elite. They'll happily tell you how they vactioned in Europe, how they read the London Review of Books, listen to the BBC, or how they can name all of the leaders of EU and other developed nations. They are knowledgable about the history of the Mideast and majored in German in college.
However, ask them if they've ever vactioned to the UP of Michigan, traveled to Arkansas, ask them if they've ever been to a state fair in a Plains state and know about 4H, the history of Great Awakenings and persecution of Mormons. Hell, ask them to point to Iowa on a map. Most don't know their own country and won't invest time in getting to know it
Most people in 'flyover country' don't know much about the US outside where they live - don't want to invest time getting to know it - and don't care either. The main difference is that coasties tend to control the means of mass communication - so their ignorance of everywhere else tends to become blindingly obvious and they do tend to spread bullshit about the coastal states themselves.
Folks in flyover country SAY they would be ok with political decentralization - to match our knowledge more in synch with our power. But in truth, they're not ok with that decentralization. And it becomes very obvious when you see how much people vote based on the demonization of the other - elsewhere. Every R outside CA runs against Pelosi (or back in the day Teddy Kennedy). Same on the D side. Those other pols elsewhere should be - and would become - irrelevant in a decentralized politics. But they aren't. They are the red meat thrown to the base - everywhere.
Nope. Most people outside the activist Blue tribal homelands and isolated progressive enclaves really don't care much what others do. Sure, they disapprove of left wing social and economic policies, but are far less likely to march in support of "improving" the lives of those leftists in NY and CA. What does get them activated is interference in their own lives, instigated by the self-proclaimed elites. Leave them alone, and you might never hear from them.
BTW, leave others alone used to be a foundational value in this country.
IDK when you last saw the usual political ads around election time – but there is a TON of money spent campaigning against the Pelosis etc of this world when the only D in a local race may be a Manchin type. The reason that sort of money is spent is because throwing red meat to the base works. Hell – campaigning against RINO’s – or any pol who is ‘bipartisan’ or less than pure Scot – has the same basic reasoning behind it.
And while you may SAY that only one side wants to impose stuff on the other nationally – here’s the evidence that BOTH SIDES do this. From the Biden White House issuing a statement that the R’s are trying to impose national abortion bans via the budget in a post-Dobbs world –
to the referenced RSC press release with FORTY ONE specified R bills re abortion in the proposed House budget
DeRp are national parties. They can’t do anything BUT turn every issue into something national.
You’re full of shit, JFree. Most in so-called flyover country know far more about the coasts and their elites than those elites know about anything between the Appalachians and the Sierras.
I’ve spent far more years in flyover country than on the coasts. And what most people in flyover country know about the coasts is what they see on TV or read in the paper (both from the coasts).
Hell based on threads here, most commenters here probably don't even know shit about the nearest city to them since everything in their posts is totally politicized bs. That said - roughly 99% of people in flyover country are brighter than commenters here
You are right that most people in flyover country learn about the coasts from TV. That's because the coastal MSM is self-absorbed. Those on the coasts learn very little about the center of America because it is NOT on TV or in the NYT.
NYC is the most provincial place in the USA.
A story about how provincial NYC has been since forever. In Jan 1888, a blizzard hit the Plains. It’s called the Schoolhouse Blizzard. Wasn’t the snowfall but the rapid extreme temperature drop and the speed that hit hard. 200+ (maybe up to 1000) were killed. NYC papers almost mocked people who were just too dumb to raise kids there. They did mention that weather forecasting needed to be improved but the news cycle moved on quickly.
Two months later – another blizzard hit the East Coast. That is now called the Great Blizzard of 1888. That one was about the snowfall – 50+ inches – but also about the obsession by NYC about what a tragedy it was. The NYSE was closed for two days. 400 fatalities. The transport gridlocks created the impetus to move streetcars underground where they became the first subways in the US. No news papers advocated shutting down the East Coast to move to Nebraska. It was national news for many weeks.
Dumbass, I know a shitload about the nearest city to me (Chicago) and its history from before it was founded through the corrupt way it was incorporated through the fire through Capone through King Richard I, through Harold and King Richard II, to the present day.
EbHS...I don't see it as 'left' or 'right'. Suppose it is 61% left and 39% right...so what. The disconnection is still there. It is DC vs the rest of us, and in that DC number, is a lot of left leaning people. But there are a lot of right leaning 'survivors' as well; they are just as disconnected.
"Downsize DC!"
Yes!
Thank You.
We have no leadership.
All leaders report to powers that aren’t the people they represent.
Only free speech on the internet has even a chance of exposing it, and it has, but there is much work to be done to correct the problem.
Pointing blame doesn’t help when the whole system is corrupted.
When “the government” spits in the face of the United Nations, reneging on its signatory obligations to the genocide convention, to support the terrorist state of Israel committing a holocaust in Gaza, with the whole world watching….our nation has lost all moral authority.
Yes, upside down.
So how soon do we come to the part where you explain that we need national socialism, and to remove the Jews?
Oh, a useless POS hamas lover. Pick up a gun, fly your ass to gaza, and go do something about it, Misek. The IDF will put a bullet in your cranium if hamas doesn't kill you first.
Isn’t it odd that Netanyahu himself funded Hamas with BILLIONS of US AID tax dollars in sneaky cash payments?
Who was he bribing or paying off?
The criminal Netanyahu loves Hamas because he funded and coordinated their October 7 2023 “attack” to initiate his long planned holocaust in Gaza.
The following video is the best compilation of evidence to date that proves October 7 was an inside job.
https://richardgage911.substack.com/p/new-documentary-on-gaza-october-7
The video proves that Israel, funded, coordinated and enabled the October 7 attacks.
It shows that Israel opened the gate to welcome trucks carrying Hamas through the wall.
It shows how Israel not only ignored repeated warnings from their many surveillance sources but withdrew all defences from the wall and emptied their military bases just hours before the attack and had ZERO response for more than 6 hours.
It shows and proves that after that 6 hour window the IDF attacked the concert goers and the kibbutz’s with Apache helicopters and tanks to blame Hamas.
It shows that Netanyahu sacrificed dozens of IDF forces to blame Hamas.
It shows that only handfuls of Hamas soldiers wandered for hours through the evacuated areas looking for soldiers to fight but finding none.
It shows that the hostages that were taken by Hamas said they were treated well.
It shows that Israel/Netanyahu has funded Hamas with billions in cash in suitcases in the backs of cars for many years.
This is what our “government” is supporting with our tax dollars at the expense of our moral authority in front of the whole world.
I take it that you won't go join your hamas homies in their glorious fight to the death? Pathetic anti-Semitic POS.
Netanyahu gave Hamas billions in cash.
That makes him, and you for supporting him, their number 1 fan.
Even if he only bribed them to do his bidding so he could implement the holocaust in Gaza.
That’s the behaviour Jews have been known for throughout history.
Refuted.
Refuted.
Refuted.
A turned inside out spectrum is not any reflection of any internal change in thought by regular people. It is entirely the outcome of the manufacturing of consent by elites. It goes back to Walter Lippmann's "Public Opinion" in the early 1920's. In many ways, a corollary of how Hayek described knowledge.
The real world is too big, too complicated, and too fleeting for any direct experience. We know only what we choose to want to know. That has always been the case - and much more so in a 'mass society'. We don't know 'everything'. In Hayek's terms, we CAN'T know everything and if we could, socialism or central planning would work.
Public opinion is not 'polled' in any sense where an assumption that opinions are internal is true. Public opinion polls are simply a measure of 'success' for those who do the work of manufacturing consent - of molding public opinion. If those opinions of regular people (what Lippmann called the bewildered herd) change to a polar opposite over time, it is because those who mold public opinion WANTED those opinions to change over time.
If those opinions of regular people (what Lippmann called the bewildered herd) change to a polar opposite over time, it is because those who mold public opinion WANTED those opinions to change over time.
You are suggesting that the propaganda mills in NYC/DC are in control of the national narrative and give little weight to the agency of individuals. Classic collectivist thinking.
There is a constant tension between what people believe on their own from various life experiences and what they are told is acceptable by the MSM. When the MSM fables become too obvious - trans women are women, masks work, illegal immigration is beneficial, the virus came from animals, climate change is an existential, manmade issue - then people downgrade all MSM pronouncements. We are definitely in that zone today.
I think a national narrative is more significant precisely because there aren’t 300 million individual narratives jostling for attention.
That doesn't mean we don't each have our own knowledge/experience that we personally incorporate into our life/actions. But outside our family/etc, those don't matter. Even here on these threads
Lippmann called his book Public Opinion because there is such a thing that is separate from our individual opinions
"Public Opinion" is in the eye and ear of the beholder.
Example: Is Kamala a simpleton?
Example: Is Trump a fabulist?
4500 words, and not a single one pointing to the fact that we can blame ONE SINGLE MAN for this. For all of it.
Barack Obama.
(And because I refuse to be so simplistic, let’s just point out the fact that we should have put Valerie Jarrett up against a wall and splattered her brains against it. Then sold it to retards for millions as Jackson Pollack inspired art.)
He was the “us vs them” president. And if you weren’t with “us” then you’re a problem – because the “them” is the enemy.
And then Donald Trump picked up right where he left off and flipped the script on him.
“The political landscape of two decades ago seems almost unrecognizable now” because Barack Obama did nothing – NOT ONE SINGLE ACCOMPLISHMENT. Why? Because his singular goal was to encourage us all to hate each other. And not just hate, but hate each other personally for the thoughtcrime of disagreeing.
Go fight your uncle at Thanksgiving dinner. DTM your classmates if they don’t vote the same way you do. Dump your partner and divorce your spouse if you disagree on stuff even slightly. If anyone fights you, they’re literally Hitler. Life of Julia.
Obama took disagreeing factions that might vociferously come to terms with each other, and turned them into mindless partisans that would accept nothing but complete acquiescence and subjugation. And then Trump came along and did the same thing in the other direction with a “How you like me now,” smirk on his face.
You want to tell me how much you lament the political landscape of 2024, then you’d better start your conversation with a long, hot, steaming piss all over the Obama Administration.
Obama was the worst because he made it "us vs them", but Trump turning "us vs them" up to eleven was ok because Democrats did it first. Typical.
It was already eleven on Team D, but because you were at eleven too, you didn't notice until the other side started punching back.
This ^ ^ 100 percent!
Yeah, sure. Except that when Obama was president, before you and the rest of the Trumpanzies invaded the comments, I was viewed as an ultra-conservative for opposing literally everything Obama did. Just as I’ve opposed literally everything Biden has done. You can’t find a single comment of mine defending or promoting any policy from Obama or Biden because such comments don’t exist. You only think I’m a Democrat because I criticize Trump, and your broken, binary-thinking brain equates any criticism of your side as praise for the other side.
Cite?
I was here with the same account posting under the name “Fancylad” when Obama was president, you drunken Nazi fuck. I just didn’t have to fight with you because you hadn’t turned into a constant neocon shill and bureaucrat booster, and your mantra wasn’t yet orangemanbad but all your anger and rage against those who CNN told you to hate, like the Tea Party, was there.
Zero surprises you have no memory of that though, because your drunken ass doesn’t even remember what you posted upthread.
I can believe that you cosplayed as a homosexual boy (which would be odd considering the blind hatred you show towards anyone who isn’t cishet), but your account of what I said at the time is a complete fabrication.
Which means that you're making shit up as always. There's one way to check though. Is it a day that ends in 'y'? Sure is. So yeah, you're full of it.
I can believe that you cosplayed as a homosexual boy”
Good. Because I didn’t. It’s an insult David Letterman uses against Chris Elliott in the move Cabin Boy that has nothing to do with being gay. Funny how that’s straight where your mind went though, because you’re a horrible person who sees the world in stereotypes.
which would be odd considering the blind hatred you show towards anyone who isn’t cishet
“Cishet”, huh? Well just look at you using sinister woke trans movement terminology that is intended to be a slur on heterosexuals.
You know who suffers the most from you lunatics? Young gay men who are being castrated, and mutilated, and gaslit into thinking they’re not gay but actually just misbodied women, by you evil psychopaths. Fuck you’re garbage.
“Which means that you’re making shit up as always.
You just invented a whole hate-filled narrative for my old nick, a complete fabrication, and yet you accuse me of making shit up? I’ve said it a million times before, self-awareness isn’t a Sarcasmic superpower.
And are you trying to tell us that you WEREN’T slamming the Tea Party? Because I’m pretty sure that I can find quotes, retard.
I supported the TEA Party (Not “Tea Party”, “TEA Party” as in Taxed Enough Already, you can’t even get their name right) when they stood for individual liberty. I lost interest when they were co-opted by the lunatic right, and their original message of smaller government and liberty was scoffed at and replaced with birtherism and hatred for Obama and Democrats. So if I ever slammed them (and if you ever supported them) it would have been for losing their way.
"Not “Tea Party”, “TEA Party”
As soon as Sarc goes after a failure to all-caps two letters you know he's going to be grasping at straws.
"they were co-opted by the lunatic right, and their original message of smaller government and liberty was scoffed at and replaced with birtherism"
Except that whole narrative about being replaced with birtherism was a Democratic party fabrication, and I know that you know that.
"...and hatred for Obama and Democrats."
Finally Sarcasmic exposes the real reason he hated them.
He was okay when they were mad at Bush's insane corporatist spending on the perpetrators of the financial crisis, but once they got mad at Obama for continuing Bush's policies, CNN, and thus Sarcasmic, had had enough.
Exactly what I said earlier, but don't dare call Sarx a Democrat.
Except that whole narrative about being replaced with birtherism was a Democratic party fabrication, and I know that you know that.
You're lying as always. I was listening to talk radio like Limbaugh and Beck while it happened. The Republican mouthpieces on the radio had no use for smaller government and individual liberty. Just hatred for Democrats. You know, just like you.
Finally Sarcasmic exposes the real reason he hated them.
I never hated them you idiot. I was disappointed that they were taken over by hate-filled people like you.
He was okay when they were mad at Bush’s insane corporatist spending on the perpetrators of the financial crisis, but once they got mad at Obama for continuing Bush’s policies, CNN, and thus Sarcasmic, had had enough.
*sigh*
As I've said several times now, I supported them when their message was one of personal liberty and less government. When they were co-opted by hate-filled people like yourself I lost interest. Unlike you I don't thrive on hatred.
"You’re lying as always. I was listening to talk radio like Limbaugh and Beck while it happened."
So you were mad at Limbaugh and Beck.
What group were they with?
The National Tea Party Federation? Tea Party Express? Tea Party Patriots? Tea Party Nation? The Koch's Americans for Prosperity? Americans for Tax Reform? None of them, and they were just talking heads who liked some of the ideas and you retardedly decided all on your own that they represented the whole movement, because they were picking on the Democrats?
I never hated them you idiot. I was disappointed that they were taken over by hate-filled people like you.
How am I hAtE fiLLeD against anything, aside from your Democratic Party and the evil it does? Where have I ever hated on gays or women or a race here?
Never, not even once, you dishonest drunken clown.
When they were co-opted by hate-filled people like yourself I lost interest. Unlike you I don’t thrive on hatred.
You lost interest the second they moved from being mad at Bush to being mad at your lightbringer for continuing what Bush had started. You'll brook no criticism of the Democrats. I remember your invective here.
And not only do you thrive on hate, you're an attention whore who thrives on trolling because at least you're getting attention and not being ignored.
How am I hAtE fiLLeD against anything, aside from your Democratic Party and the evil it does?
Ain’t my Democratic Party you ass. You just assume anyone critical of the right is defending the left because you’re a binary-thinking idiot, and then you switch on the hate.
Where have I ever hated on gays or women or a race here?
Whenever you think they’re Democrats. And face it, you believe all gays are Democrats. You also believe all non-white immigrants are Democrats as well. Your typical rejoinder is to respond to accusations of racism or homophobia, but that isn’t the observation. You don’t hate black and brown immigrants for their race, or gays/trans/whatevers for being gay/trans/whatever, you hate them because you just know that they’re part of the political left which you hate more than anything in the world. Along with anyone who associate with it. It's what gets you up in the morning.
And not only do you thrive on hate, you’re an attention whore who thrives on trolling because at least you’re getting attention and not being ignored.
Blah blah blah more projection.
Sarc is too dumb to acknowledge the party he actually supports, from policy, to identitarian politics, to the same attacks, to the support of the only "good" GOP who constantly let democrats win lol.
Sarc, you know you’re not supposed to drink wood alcohol in lieu of grain alcohol?
Sarc, you’re a worthless alcoholic democrat. I would tell you to take so,e responsibility, and own up to that, but we both know scum like you has no concept of accountability.
You’re weak, and a coward. So you the one good thing you could do is to kill yourself. Just do it.
You aligned with the assholes who coopted the TEA party like kizinger and Cheney lol.
So the TEA party is backing Kamala like Cheney?
You have posted the “Fancy lad” etymology before and I have seen that film remembering the reference. Maybe he had you muted then or his alcoholism fused amnesia caused him to forget. or perhaps Sarckles just wanted an opportunity to suggest you are gay.
Interestingly, he has also said that Chase Oliver is gay but I think that is just a campaign smear.
Don’t forget Sarc’s obvious homosexual fixation on Jesse, and his need to receive Pedo Jeffy’s approval.
Look at sarc go right to the leftist mantra of you hate gays lol.
Post the list of the Trumpanzees.
More fun than a barrel full of monkeys.
Some may go apeshit if they aren’t on the list.
Yes, the first sin committed by deplorables was refusing to obey their betters. Then they sinned irredeemably by daring to fight back.
And this is not symmetrical "us vs. them". Most deplorables were content to be left alone, and avoid caring about hot-button issues. Progressive activists, by definition, can't leave people alone, and kept pushing until the peasants fought back.
Exactly. No different than Harry Reid's nuclear option, mom.
They loved their tiger until it bit them instead of their enemies.
And the most recent walking airhead, Kamala, wants the Senate to get rid of the filibuster. Imagine saying that just as the Senate is about to turn against her party!
Is there any idea too stupid that a Donkey won't put it out there?
How did Trump do that? The Us under Obama put him under FBI investigation day one. The Us under Obama formed The Resistance. The Us under Obama impeached him and his cabinet every chance they get. The Us now criminalized them under Biden, going after licenses, using media, censoring. All actions you cheer for by the way.
This even includes murder and assassination attempts.
I will never forget what Jack Marshall wrote.
https://ethicsalarms.com/2023/05/17/assorted-ethics-observations-on-the-durham-report-part-ii-the-substance/
Again, demanding that we permit one group to commit horrible actions while facing no repurcussions is not going to do much to curb horrible actions being committed.
Race relations were dramatically better before Obama then after.
No, you drunken Cunt. Trump started hitting back. And a piece of shit Democrat like you can’t stand that.
But you better get used to it, or better yet just kill yourself. Because we’re going to keep hitting back, and harder.
He won’t get it as his TDS runs deep. Even when OrangeManBad isn’t mentioned, he can’t help himself. Trump broke Sarc something fierce, and Sarc has remained seriously broken since.
Sarc is unraveling. So is Pedo Jeffy. We need to keep pushing them even harder.
Obama's "leadership" was almost like he grew up listening to radicals from the Weather Underground and Black Panthers in his living room.
Imagine that.
Don’t forget Frank Marshall Davis, lifelong CPUSA member.
To your point, Obama's failed Arab Spring sowed the seeds for much of our foreign policy revisions.
Obama isn't wholly responsible for the EU though, that was Angela Merkel.
If all she had said when the migrants showed up was to say "No", Orban would be an anomaly. And Brexit would have failed, which would have also depressed Trumps 2016 voters.
So yeah, it is very much Zero's fault.
Ackshully Dick Nixon.
Ackshully, no, you retarded dipshit.
I actually like most of the 2024 political landscape (minus the violence and potential violence should Trump win). Think about 2012, we weren't actually given any choice.
If you want evidence of that, consider that the two candidates in that election are currently on the exact same side. The same would be true of 2008 if one was still alive. And it's more or less true for 2004 and 2000 as well (Dubya himself has actually stayed pretty quiet).
You'd hope he would not side with people who referred to him as Hitler constantly for eight years --- but man, power is one helluva drug
Just goes to show how "left" and "right" are not coherent philosophies rooted in principle. They're just grab-bags of policies traded like playing cards between parties to keep the vote as close to 50/50 as possible, ensuring that the duopoly retains power.
Can you make a case that having 3 or 4 or 5 parties would be any better than the duopoly?
Can you point to a currently existing country where you'd say having boatloads of third parties was better than what we have in the US?
I do often wonder if we'd be better off with a parliamentary system instead of the current winner takes all.
What we have now is a pendulum that swings between extremes with 50% + 1 winning and running roughshod over the remaining 50% - 1, stirring up animosity and hatred. It's hardly a recipe for a unified nation.
It only worked for over 250 years, better scrap it.
Because the troll is probably still pretending to have you on mute:
"It only worked for over 250 years, better scrap it."
We never see these issues in Europe or Canada.
Sarc just isn't intelligent.
Nor anything like honest. Sarc is a steaming, lying pile of TDS addled lefty shit.
I understand, sarcasmic. It is frustrating enough having to deal with a duopoly. Can you imagine having to deal with 4-5 parties and assemble a coalition.
That parliamentary path is a recipe for incremental progress.
The less government gets done the better.
Which means keep the status quo lol.
Never repeal, never reduce, keep it as is from you.
You're part of the manufactured resistance to the DNC. Make sure there is never a reduction or descope of government. See how you even attack Trump for regulation cuts. Or attempts to cut spending in departments. You even supported Ukraine for the first few months lol.
I said done, not undone. Undone is good. Done, not so much. Problem is that in reality land, government is a one-way-ratchet. So "undone" rarely if ever happens. Even when Trump was president he at best slowed the rated of growth of regulations. Meanwhile the federal workforce increased, total regulations increased, federal budget, deficit, and debt all increased, even during his first three years. So you can't honestly say Trump cut government, which of course means you'll say Trump cut government.
You attack everyone who tries to “undone.”
You do this by blaming them for Congressional inaction. A deflection away from who can do the most “undone.”
Again. Blaminf Trump for following Congressional rules and the constitution. Yet next week you'll call him an authoritarian again.
That makes no sense. You really should stop arguing with the voices in your head. Makes you look, well, crazy.
And sarcs usual retreat to projection for what he clearly represents here. Never an intellectual argument. Just deny and deflect.
Sarc, Jesse is well reasoned and logical. Where you are a lying, stupid, raving drunk.
"The less government gets done the better."
Yes, because as Trudeau's two-term veteran-killing minority government demonstrates, nothing gets done... oh wait.
That is something I agree with....the less federal government in our daily life, the better.
Then you don't know what parliamentary means. Got nothing to do with winner take all elections.
A parliamentary system is one in which there's a combination of the legislative and executive functions. The executives are chosen by (and usually from) the legislature. The legislators may be elected by any system.
Maybe I'm thinking of proportional representation then.
Maybe you aren’t really thinking.
Well there's two wildly different concepts.
I hope you're busy stocking up on barrels full of whiskey and magnums and magnums of wine.
You're going to need all the alcohol you can possibly get your hands on, very soon.
Reason has flirted with Understanding for over a decade, and they are so close. Maybe they can finally make the leap.
1) US Politics are no longer determined by Left or Right, unless you are so unhinged as to think RFK Jr and Tulsi Gabbard are agents of the Right. Our country has effectively devolved into a political knife fight between the Elites and the Populists.
2) 7 Years ago, Reason was touching on the issue when they tried casting Trump’s ascension as a tension between “Globalism and Nationalism” largely framed by Ron Bailey. What is interesting is that Bailey is a full on Elitist- one of the few at Reason who happily cedes any argument to credentialed people. And his inability to articulate this bias had Reason off on wild tangents thinking this was nativism vs globalism.
3) The cause of this new battleground is not crises, per se. No, the cause is revealed in the article that The Jacket shared on X the other day, “The Plot to Manage Democracy.”
https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-plot-to-manage-democracy
In that article, you can see how Elitists in government, but mostly on the Left, used endless crises to provide the impetus to ostracize their enemies and silence dissension in their own ranks so that they could successively tighten their “Management” of our democracy. The PATRIOT Act was largely a leftist wish-list of loosened government restrictions and new powers. Operation Chokepoint was sold on the notion of an "Epidemic" of gun and hate crimes. ACA sold on the "epidemic" of uninsured people. Time after time, they used "Crises" to give us just a little more rope to bind ourselves.
Make no mistake: it was not the crisis that caused RFK Jr and Tulsi to jump ship. The seeds were planted long ago during operation Chokepoint and other initiatives in the Obama administration. Indeed, Walker above starts off his missive discussing Alex Jones and how he was not always considered this big Right Wing guy. Jones was the first casualty in the subversive Tecnocratic Elite’s campaign to curate “Acceptable” company in the online community.
The cause of our political realignment is the same simple calculous that caused slave owners and abolitionists to join forces to defeat the British: Their desire to be free of management by others has united them. Had the Elitists not waged a silent war to ostracize Tulsi and Jones and Rogan and Trump and RFK Jr and seal them out of Government, they wouldn’t all be united against the Elitists.
Back to number 2, I think if many Reasonistas would sit back and reflect on the true nature of this political schism, it would save them a lot of frustration and mental gymnastics. People like Sullum, KMW, ENB and Bailey, for all their social liberalism have a deep distrust of humanity and would rather cede control to Great Orchestrators who promise (and rarely deliver) order in the chaos of our world. They are the people who gave the benefit of the doubt to Fauci, because in their hearts, they are Authoritarian.
Reasonistas will then understand the choice in front of them. Believe me, I have no love of Populist politics. I think many- even most- of Trump’s remedies are bandaids at best, and long term detrimental at worst. But at the end of the day, you need to understand that it isn’t Racism and Bigotry uniting that movement- it is a deep mistrust of the Authorities that brought us the Surveillance State, COVID Lockdowns, Big GovTech Censorship and mass inflation. Libertarians are not part of that circle, no matter how much Bailey reflexively pines for it. The Elites have excluded them, and now the remaining question is whether or not they join battle beside the Populists or sits on the sidelines until the dust settles.
I agree that we now live in an era of crisis porn. But that system works only because of both producers and consumers. The motivations for crisis procures seem obvious. The craving from consumers perhaps less so.
Is it true that many in the younger generations are, to be trite, snowflakes? Do we have more Americans now that really are emotionally fragile, and susceptible to ill-defined (or at least unsupported) threats? And to indulge some conspiracy mongering on a Saturday morning, is this a deliberate result of the same crisis ecosystem?
There are plenty of studies that show Rich people have the most anxiety about poverty. Suburban families have the most anxiety about inner city violence. Etc etc.
I have family friends who are working 3 jobs to pay medical bills. I work with adults that are spending 2 - 4 years in after-high-school programs because they have disabilities that prevent them from landing a normal job. Describe this situation to any rational, average person, and they say things like "Oh, I could never survive something like that." But the fact is, every one of us can. When you are in the shit, you are an incredibly resilient person who can problem solve and do what needs doing.
Federal Crises are specially engineered to prey upon this unique aspect of our psyche. It isn't the crisis we are in, it is our imagination of the crisis that is just around the corner. The barbarians at the gates, or just over the hill. Consider that during the financial apocalypse, the vast, vast amount of people were not ruined. Their house- on paper- had its value cut in half, but for the vast majority, it was just paper. They didn't need the money. They didn't need to move. But seeing their Zillow score plummet made them imagine "What if". And this is the space where the elitists thrive.
To that extent, yes, the more comfortable our society gets, the easier it is to scare them with these what if statements. A person who has had to struggle paycheck to paycheck is less moved by cries of mass unemployment, because they have been there before.
I would like to think that at least most people remain innately resilient. But then I imagine how the Londoners of 2024 would respond to Blitz 2.0. How many could keep clam and carry on? And how many would lose their minds? (And how would these behaviors map onto class, education, political affiliation, etc.?)
I do think Lukianoff and Haidt accurately described the growing number of coddled Americans, who have been conditioned to respond with fragility and fear. Again, perhaps this applies more to a stratum of our society--one that happens to be the loudest.
I imagine how the Londoners of 2024 would respond to Blitz
With shouts of "Allahu Akbar".
I understand there were some very loud popping sounds in Iran last night. Wonder how that’s going.
Your taxes helped pay for it and expect blowback for that.
Your taxes were at work on both sides.
“1) US Politics are no longer determined by Left or Right, unless you are so unhinged as to think RFK Jr and Tulsi Gabbard are agents of the Right.”
The same with the words ‘liberal’ and ‘conservative’ (Sarcasmic, Shrike hardest hit).
Glenn Greenwald and Russell Brand are not conservative, Trump himself is considerably less conservative than Biden.
What we are seeing, I believe, are globalist authoritarians coalescing around systems/points of power like Davos, Brussels and the DC puppeteers. This is why the entire Bush administration and the Iraq War neocons have joined Team Blue and are publicly endorsing its puppet.
These power systems are vociferously smearing everyone who opposes them as “far-right”, "ultra-conservative" and “populist” without ever quite explaining what those words actually mean and what they represent, other than argumentum ad Hitlerum. Ironically failing to mention that their corporatist economics, passion for wars, obsession with race, and anti-speech stance are all fascist in nature.
TLDR, there are only the authoritarian and everyone else. Many of the latter are currently rallying around Trump solely because the power points hate him passionately.
It goes back to the Objectivist roots of Reason, as Robert LeFevre pointed out many years ago. No matter how much Ayn Rand satirized scientist-toadies, she swallowed the same "But The Science!" as the "left" does these days. She was a sucker for it, and that attitude was passed down to Reason. They keep thinking government policy can be made scientifically, efficiently, neutrally — which leads them to oppose such things as legislative earmarks on spending, because they'd rather have the details left to disinterested bureaucrats unaccountable to the hoi polloi via the ballot.
Nice post to stimulate deep thinking. Thanks, Overt.
^ +1
Very true, as captured more succinctly by a genius:
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
H. L. Mencken
It’s pretty simple- the activist left spent 60 years infiltrating all of our institutions, and Obama was the result.
Now our “elites” (lol) push the most ridiculous top-down globohomoism imaginable and have moved the Overton Window at warp speed. What was conventional Democrat Party dogma just 15 years ago and is still mainstream common sense outside of the halls of power is instantly recast as dangerous right wing extremism that must be stamped out with the force of both the government and corporate boots.
See Elon Musk’s cartoon on where he fits on the Left-Right spectrum.
Sure, factions, labels, and policies change. But when has the Democratic left NOT seen bigger government with more control and more money as not just a solution but a philosophical goal? Yeah, they will quibble about which sorts of things to control openly, and which to offer pretend freedom--within ideological bounds. But in the end, they will always return to the righteous collective as the proper form for society.
They idolize FDR still. NYT have positive puff pieces for Stalin and others. They have always supported it. As long as they have the power.
When was the last time the NYt had a positive puff piece on Stalin?
How many of the Times news staff own Che T-shirts?
You mean they stopped when it became politically inconvenient? So they never did?
Need me to show you some austere scholar links next?
Democrats don't pretend to want smaller government. That's a fact.
Republicans on the other hand do. Question is, when have they ever delivered?
OK, how could they do that?
And in Democratic speak, where not increasing a federal agency budget by more than some inflation-based factor is a "cut", perhaps you could credit Republicans for shrinking government when they managed to slow down expansion.
OK, how could they do that?
Deliver on their promises?
And in Democratic speak, where not increasing a federal agency budget by more than some inflation-based factor is a “cut”
Baseline budgeting is bipartisan.
perhaps you could credit Republicans for shrinking government when they managed to slow down expansion
I’m not going to credit them for letting up slightly on the gas pedal while heading towards a cliff. I will credit them if they hit the brakes.
Simple question you wont answer.
In the Senate, how many votes are needed to deliver on a promise?
More than your party is willing to give.
See how you avoid even a simple question lol. Then blame the GOP you hate the most for not having the votes? While advocating for thr GOP, uniparty, that won't vote for those things?
Are you too dumb to understand your hypocrisy?
You’re answering questions more and more like Kamala every day. Good job Drunky Brewster.
Uh, thanks for the non-answer.
This is the ignorance of how government works I mention just above. When have the GOP had 60 votes in the Senate. Roughly 15% of the GOP wants cuts. The uniparty joins dems in Congress in order yo continue government growth. See McCain saving ACA.
Oddly enough you join in corporate media attacks on this minority. Lol.
Are you drunk?
Absolutely guaran-fucking-teed you are.
Deny and deflect. Amazing.
Are you projecting?
If he is, his BAC is probably a tenth of yours.
Given how many Republicans are NOW Democrats...that explains a lot.
Ratchets typically work in one direction. Lefists use that fact to their advantage. It's a lot harder to take away a "benefit" that someone has been given. Budgets always go up, because nobody would dare admit that maybe they didn't really need as much as they predicted.
Conservatives generally prevent "moving forward" but rarely attempt reversing course. Leftists "move forward" as much as possible.
So yes, even if Trump isn't able to reverse the flow of time, at least he isn't trying to fast forward us like Harris.
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After it failed in Vietnam. And coming shortly after that, Watergate. Also, for a while, after the ugliness that was "urban renewal".
It isn’t surprising that Team D is running a stupid, lying, inept, globohomo collectivist.
It also isn’t surprising that multiple Act Blue donors have attempted to snuff out the Team R candidate.
What is a little surprising, and disappointing, is that Team L is running a candidate that paints their self portrait in shades of progressive.
Plus, I’m now told he’s gay!
Like how gay?
What? Really?
Does Sarckles know?
All these words and zero mention of the same realignment happening across the pond.
You almost have the point, you just need to understand the EU's shift to understand ours.
BTW....The JRE interview was something else, LOL. The Donald is entertaining, if anything.
There is no way in hell VP Word Salad goes on JRE, unscripted.
Ally Sammarco
@Ally_Sammarco
Republicans keep saying Kamala Harris speaks in “word salad” because she speaks in an intellectual, nuanced manner. They are so used to hearing first grade level vocabulary that anything more educated than that is confusing for them.
Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsay (who gained fame with social science nonsense publications choked with post-modern jargon) would like a word.
"...Republicans keep saying Kamala Harris speaks in “word salad” because she speaks in an intellectual, nuanced manner..."
Managing to convey no meaning at all. Very "intellectual"!
Heh. Kamala speaks in an 85 IQ word salad that for some reason midwits with degrees think is “cultured” and “intellectual”. It’s dumb ass bullshit.
And un-editted, to a huge degree, before release.
Her best strategy would be to SHUT THE FUCK UP.
As was pointed out on Megyn Kelly's show, the October Surprise seems to be just how terrible Kamala is at doing any form of public speaking event that is not choreographed to the tiniest detail.
Really bipartisan of her to help the Trump campaign with their narratives.
That's no surprise, merely an exposure of what she is and displayed in the 2020 pre-primary period.
Oh, wait, for people who listen to and believe the MSM it is a surprise.
So would yours, Sarc. Yet, you fail to heed said advice.
He is quite the rambler. I also think he's probably lost quite a bit off his fastball. But he's clearly still all there and at least has ideas on the way he'd like things to be. His verbal tics all tend toward self-aggrandizement but that's been Trump since at least the eighties.
What I found more interesting was it felt like Rogan was actually uncharacteristically nervous himself. Like he sorta knew this wasn't his normal show and that all sorts of things could happen after this. He didn't even start swearing until a half hour in.
He's as old as Biden was in 2020, and even if he's still lucid I wouldn't bet on him directing much in the way of policy or anything else in his four years. The left has already given themselves permission now to go completely berzerk regardless of the outcome, but especially if the 2 am ballot dumps and broken water mains in the middle of counting don't suppress enough of the Republican vote.
When you have a Congressman like Raskin openly stating that his side will start a civil war to prevent Trump from taking office, he means it.
That is the part that worries me....what happens if Pres Trump wins re-election? How violent does the freak-out get, and what does our country do about it.
I don't want a return to the sixties, which was far more violent than today.
So many spot-on comments here today.
And the "DC Leviathan" continues without pause. They leak. The Global Elites nod. Who will benefit if the Middle East blows up completely between now and November 5th?
Oh well, maybe they've made it complicated enough that they just simply miscalculated...
At least in past eras the global elites actually participated and died in the wars they instigated.
Ah! Picture it!!
Give them each an AR-15 and three magazines of 5.56 and send them to the front lines!
Picture Hillary Clinton and Joy Reid waddling off to war!
Picture Chuck Schumer and Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi and Lindsey Graham shuffling off to Bipartisan Glory!
Imagine...( yes, IMAGINE) Tim Walz and AOC trying to figure out how to hit something with a fully automatic weapon!
Picture Jack Smith and Pothole Pete in a foxhole trying to decipher a map!
Picture Alex Soros pushing George Soros forward into enemy fire in a wheelchair, resting his rifle on his father's shoulder and spraying bullets haphazardly ahead!
Picture that dumbass Mary Poppins misinformation witch running into a hail of bullets singing "War is Peace!"
And picture Kathy Hochul and Gretchen Whitmer, two more witches, right behind her!
Envision Klaus Schwab...
Oh no, I just can't... this is exhausting...
We witnessed the comedy of errors that was Walz attempting to load a shotgun.
Colion Noir has a decent video on that and expands on the weird guy’s anti-2A position:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhpiCVYfj_M
How does DEI armed combat work anyway?
Pugil sticks tipped with dildos.
That's a Rule 34 I'm sure. If not, since you just posted it, Rule 35.
These are the type of people that think they can beat conservative in a civil war.
Although this is all very interesting sociopolitical history, Walker could have saved a lot of verbiage by realizing that the right-left, liberal-conservative “spectrum” is mostly imaginary and has been shoddily fabricated from the get-go. It is, of course, possible to identify some vaguely-defined issues that can be more or less assigned during various periods between crises to members of coalitions also vaguely defined as Republican Party or Democratic Party, but the platforms of these parties have always been more aspirational than pragmatic. The most that can be said for left-right analysis is that it’s complex and serves more to provide fodder for those who try to make a living analyzing such things and writing about them for think tanks and opinion magazines than it does to help limit the power of authoritarian government. The World’s Smallest Political Quiz serves to underscore the complexity by demonstrating that even adding a second axis to the chart barely achieves adequacy in sorting out the range of possible coalitions of the moment.
I have to keep emphasizing that the ONLY action anti-establishment libertarians can take that has any possibility of representing this complexity would be to destroy the two-party stranglehold on the election system that forces citizens to hold their noses and choose between the red team or the blue team or remain excluded from all decisions in the seats of power. The only way for antiestablishmentarians to destroy the two-party system is by eliminating representative districts and electing all representatives to the state legislatures and to Congress by state-wide, at-large, ranked-choice proportional representation systems.
The only way for antiestablishmentarians to destroy the two-party system is by eliminating representative districts and electing all representatives to the state legislatures and to Congress by state-wide, at-large, ranked-choice proportional representation systems.
*two thumbs up*
If you're an idiot. Sure.
My city literally did this for city council. It ended up with a split council becoming a full dem council.
Dems champion your position because they gain power with your position. Amazingly ignorant.
Why are you attacking me instead of he person I'm agreeing with?
You agreeing with idiotic idea does not really prevent criticism of your support of an idiotic idea.
Basically this.
Because of the part you highlighted in agreement dummy. I’ve argued with doc as well on this point many times. You highlighted the worst part of his screed.
Now. How was my actual example of reality wrong?
You have never once argued with me. All you have ever done is call me names, sneered and - just now - mentioned how a big blue city in Arizona surrounded by red districts went even more blue as an idiotic counterexample that has nothing whatever to do with "legislatures and Congress" or Porportional Representation or ranked choice.
Because we’re sick of your inane leftism.
Statewide elections are easier to defraud than many local elections.
I’m sticking with local legislatures and continue advocating for repeal of the 17th. We don’t red our entire government to be hackable through controlling 1-2 heavily populated polling locations.
The 17th amendment was inconsequential. The states were moving toward popular election of US senators on their own. It was a popular idea and I'm sure remains so.
It is actually against the very formation of the United STATES, which was supposed to be a grouping of equal STATES with individual legislatures, hence the Senate was elected by the legislatures. The 17th is populism, pure democracy (not desirable), and concentrates power in DC. Any sane libertarian is against it.
If you're a whacko conspiracy theorist there’s nothing much I can do about it. Nevertheless, I will point out that it’s impossible to defraud an entire state in a ranked choice online election system. If there are ten percent libertarians in your state and they all vote for a libertarian on the at-large ballot and no libertarians are elected it would be a huge alarm bell for fraud that no Machiavellian would dare risk. But then, if you LIKE the status quo of having to choose between a bad D and a worse R every election, just stick to your guns and it will happen.
it’s impossible to defraud an entire state in a ranked choice online election system
Right. The internet is perfectly safe and hacking is a mere bagatelle!
Because smaller cities will love the idea of having literally no voice in the government at any level.
This is a terrible idea on every conceivable level. It would turn the entire US into California writ large.
And even the WSPQ broke the left/right spectrum with gun control, wherein a social/personal freedom aligned the wrong way with the "liberal-conservative" diagonal (or axis, depending whether you use the diamond or square presentation). And it's not like that was some obscure issue of public controversy.
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This is why cluster analysis, as in the Times-Mirror typology of the American electorate (ongoing more than 40 years), which does not presuppose any axes or principles, is superior. You find the correlations as they appear; then if you want, you can try to figure out why.
True, Roberta - but the article was about SHIFTS in those clusters. Even then cluster analysis cannot account for shifts in the issues themselves. Imagine trying to analyze shifts in positions about censorship or wiretapping, for example, between a period before the invention of the telephone and a period after after the construction of the internet and the invention of cell phones and computers.
"The only way for antiestablishmentarians to destroy the two-party system is by eliminating representative districts and electing all representatives to the state legislatures and to Congress by state-wide, at-large, ranked-choice proportional representation systems."
By putting in a true political monoculture dominated by urban electorates?
Or maybe. You just wrote 45 paragraphs trying to finger-point at needles in a haystack while you ignore the elephant in the room.
Democrats have literally turned the *real* definition of 'liberal' on it's head. Supporting *Individual* Rights (i.e. Liberty/Liberal) is NOT compatible with Socialism (i.e. [WE] gang wealth distribution).
By real definitions - The Liberal and the Progressive (Gov-Gun usage/planning) are at 100% odds with one another. The Democrat party of today has turned Nazi and that's where the political spectrum has changed. The left just uses self-projection indoctrination to keep its real identity from being noticed even though most have just taken pride in being a [Na]tional So[zi]alist while pretending Nazi (the very acronym of it) doesn't apply.
That ideology ALWAYS takes advantage of crisis because the underlying function is 'Guns' will make sh*t for me. 'Guns' of defense are bad. Or to paraphrase that, "[OUR] Guns do everything - YOUR Self-Defense to [OUR] Guns is BAD, BAD, BAD.". Democrats are actually entirely obsessed with 'Gun' usage. Just not YOUR (Individual) Self-Defense 'Gun' usage.
"Democrats have literally turned the *real* definition of ‘liberal’ on it’s head. Supporting *Individual* Rights (i.e. Liberty/Liberal) is NOT compatible with Socialism"
This is why I never use left/right, liberals/conservative any more. I'll call the different types of authoritarians "bureaucrats", "deep staters", "progressives", "fascists" and "Democrats", but never "left" or "liberal" because the words don't track.
Nazi is not the preferred term for what you seem to be trying to describe here. The Nazis were fascists according to most definitions of the term and were violent opponents of Marxist-style socialists. The defining difference between the two ideologies was private property and "profit. Both systems put the good of "society" above the good of the individual and both systems espoused the enforcement of those goods by a powerful central authority, but the fascists would maintain private property and private for-profit enterprise directed by the central authority; while the socialists would eliminate private for-profit enterprise and private property to a greater or lesser extent (Communists wanted to eliminate all private property) and direct ALL production centrally. I don't think it's fair to say that the Democrats have turned fascist in that sense, although some of them want to regulate what they see as detrimental corporate power more than others do. And Democrats cannot be said to be obsessed with gun control, since most of their ideological leaders own guns (whether they admit it or not) and it's just another handy tool to use in the never ending war of concepts between Red Team and Blue Team.
"Nazi Party, political party of the mass movement known as National Socialism."
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Nazi-Party
LMAO... "violent opponents of Marxist-style socialists"????? RU Joking?
Tell me again? Why do you allow yourself to be mind-f*cked by leftard propaganda.
Summarized:
Democrats no long support the Liberty in the US Constitution.
They support their [WE] gangland politics of 'democracy'.
If you want to keep Liberty and Justice for *all*.
Just-a 'democracy' doesn't ensure that what-so-ever.
The USA is a *Constitutional* Union ... NOT ... a 'democracy'.
Summarized:
Republicans no long[er] support the Liberty in the US Constitution.
They support their [WE] gangland politics of ‘organized labor’ religion protectionism and ‘xenophobia’.
If you want to keep Liberty and Justice for *all*.
Just-a ‘republic’ doesn’t ensure that what-so-ever.
The USA is a *Constitutional* association of free individuals.
There … I fixed it for you!
Contrast what-ever you want to believe is "religion protectionism" with "environmentalism" and rightfully admit that the only "xenophobia" Republicans care about is the Socialist-minds conquering the US Constitution.
And so very well admitted by your "association of free individuals" versus a Constitutional Union of Republican States.
You literally just tried to VOID the US Constitution and fill-in whatever you wanted to.
There is and always has been one continuum. It runs from those who insist on state control of the citizen to those who prefer individual liberty.
And there are always hypocrites who espouse individual liberty only for themselves and people like themselves, and only for the right kind of things. They're much in evidence amongst right-wing posters here.
The lack of self-awareness from them is pathological.
Yeah, your side really doesn't like having its own "liberating tolerance" shoved back down its throat.
Leftard self-projection 101.
The only "right-wing" example you even have is Dobbs.
Here's a fun fact: Roe v Wade was written by "right-wing" justices.
So really you don't even have that one example.
You have nothing but pure Leftard self-projection.
Nope. Pretty much you democrats.
SRG2 – those are not hypocrites. The people you are referring to do not espouse individual liberty, they pay lip-service to America’s patriots from history while ignoring their far-sighted principles and focusing on their “christian” faith in order to substitute it for actual freedom, just as the pilgrims came to Massachusetts to escape religious persecution only to start persecuting their own heretics after taking charge. Xenophobia does not result in liberty, as much as they would like to be seen as defenders of America against an existential threat. I look around me and see thousands of peaceable, hard-working immigrants for every bad apple who came here from a different country.
The immigrant ratio isn’t 50:50. It is 25%-Patriotic:75%-Nazi.
The “christian” faith legislation support doesn’t pack a majority of Republicans yet the “environmentalist, racist and sexist” faith legislation of the left runs closer to 99%. Poll after Poll showed that most Republican voters supported RvW. Heck Republicans literally ruled that ‘freedom’. Something Democrats never did and never will do because they don't even turned to the US Constitution for anything.
But many people find other continua, which exist in many cases orthogonally to this one, of greater interest to them. You don't get to decide for everyone what their most important considerations are.
Point. But we DO get to decide for everyone whether we're going to let you take away our liberty in the name of some other continuum that you favor.
So you're in favor of Dobbs???
[WE] do get to decide for everyone which of [OUR] Liberties get trampled.
Guess what? That's EXACTLY what Dobbs did. Threw Individual Liberty under the bus of 'democracy'.
Jesse mentions the Great Recession caused by Bush2 asset-forfeiture. The UN replaced the League as Global Prohibitionist and in 1949 vowed to rename everything a narcotic and ban it globally. That pledge was renewed 1958 so March 1961 brought the "Single" global prohibitionist convention with its calendar. With JFK out of the way, Nixon rampaged in 1969 and a drug recession resulted. Asset forfeiture was weaponized in 1971. Then came "Psychotropic", then War on Drugs, then the March 1972 plot to revisit 1961 promises to ban stuff with its 15-year deadline... meaning 1986! Reagan timely revived global prohibitionism, the Crash crashed in 1987. Bush2 hoisted the sumptuary banner urging cops to practice faith-based asset forfeiture looting of homes. Suddenly 2008 mortgage derivatives Crash gets Obama elected in a Great Recession. Wallace/Reagan voters wail "a Black America will lose its greatness" (Ole Miss, 1962). Gary Johnson redealt 127 electoral votes & accidentally squeaked Trump into office. Today States are legalizing weed and womanhood to prevent another God's Own Prohibitionist Recession as women voters avenge the murder of the Libertarian party's Roe plank victory by five appointed bigots. All the "spectrum" adjectives Jesse Walker lists are euphemisms for "prohibitionist mystical bigots" versus "everybody else." The Dems in 2020 adopted Libertarian planks and won. God's Own Prohibitionists stand poised to lose again after freezing their platform, appealing to treason, and squealing like Nixon. Q.E.D.
I swear you have your left/right mixed up.
A series of TIA’s and possibly Alzheimer’s aren’t helping. Although I’m fairly certain Hank has always been a hippie weirdo. The kind of person that people cross the street to avoid.
Trump tells Joe Rogan he’s ‘serious’ about abolishing federal income tax in wide-ranging interview
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14005253/donald-trump-joe-rogan-podcast-interview-federal-income-tax.html
Rogan, 57, asked the Republican nominee: ‘Did you just float out the idea of getting rid of income taxes and replacing it with tariffs? Were we serious about that?’
He responded: ‘Why not, our country was the richest in the 1880s and the 1890s, a President who was assassinated named [William] McKinley he was the tariff king. He spoke beautifully of tariffs, his language was really beautiful.’
‘We will not allow the enemy to come in and take our jobs, take our factories, take our workers and take our families unless they pay a big price. The big price is tariffs.’
Once again Trump shows that he despises free trade in principle (despite the lies pushed by his defenders), and doesn’t understand who actually pays taxes on imported goods.
That and he appears to want it both ways. He wants taxes to bring in revenue while at the same time discouraging people from buying imported goods. Doesn’t work like that.
Personally I’d be fine with replacing taxes on production with taxes on consumption. Thing is, they’d have to actually replace income taxes. The other issue is that for tariffs to bring in enough revenue to actually replace income taxes with spending at current levels, they’d have to be so high that people would simply stop buying imported goods. That wouldn’t work without massive cuts in spending which neither side of the duopolistic coin is willing to do.
So, it sounds nice, but vanishes into a puff of flatulence once reality enters the room.
Dang italics dropped on a paragraph.
The other issue is that for tariffs to bring in enough revenue to actually replace income taxes with spending at current levels,..
There is the mistake.
When Trump was president last time, what happened to US government spending?
TRUMMMMMP!
Yes Diet Shrike, what happened to US government spending. Particularly, why was 2017, 2018 and 2019, so different than 2020? Would you like to explain to us what happened that made federal spending that year so very different from the previous three?
Stupid fuck.
Hey fuckwit - Federal spending rose consistently under Trump, as did the deficit, before Covid, you dishonest POS.
Nobody here gives a fuck about your nitpicking. Just answer this:
Who gave us COVID?
And why?
Answer the question you lying shit. Why are you evading it?
During the first three years of Trump’s term the federal workforce increased, the total amount of federal regulation increased (perhaps at a slightly slower rate, but it increased), federal spending increased, the federal deficit increased, and the federal debt increased.
Why do you deny basic facts?
Why are you flat out lying?
Not just lying about the the federal workforce increasing in the first three years, but saying the total amount of federal regulation increased between 2017 and 2019, when it was actually one of the biggest drops. That one is a particularly egregious lie.
I’m not a sealion so I usually don’t do this, but I think some citations to your claims are in order here.
https://ourpublicservice.org/fed-figures/the-federal-workforce-and-the-trump-administration/
Federal workforce:
Dec 2016 1,878,935
Dec 2017 1,873,474
Dec 2018 1,884,112
Dec 2019 1,910,067
Dec 2020 1,943,720
Slight retraction during his first year, after that it went up. Only big drop I saw on the graph was between 2012 and 2013.
https://www.cato.org/regulation/summer-2020/deregulation-under-trump
4,310 new regulations, 1,027 significant new regulations, 90 major regulations, 243 deregulatory actions. Total regulations increased.
Your hatred for the facts doesn’t make them untrue.
Does that mean sequestration actually works? = Only big drop I saw on the graph was between 2012 and 2013.
Now that you’ve seen the facts, will you continue to lie and claim he cut the federal workforce and cut total regulations, and accuse those who tell the truth of lying?
Yes. Yes of course you will. I bet you'd spontaneously combust if you slipped and said something truthful.
To see how dumb you are sarc, show the workforce graph before and after Trump.
Sarc, ive told you specifically about the language in appropriation. Why do you continue to act as if Congress has no role?
Why does this article exist?
https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2020/11/trump-has-slashed-jobs-nearly-every-federal-agency-biden-promises-reversal/170203/
Stop lying you drunk bitch.
70% of the increase was increases on debt payment and entitlements prior to covid(source Boehm). The increase was not from what Trump did. The other 30% was Congressional demands.
Does not a single Democrat know how spending or the government works?
Which Trump initiative, ie he started it, increased spending shrike?
All he can say is ‘but…..but…….TRUMP!!!!!!!’.
"When Trump was president last time, what happened to US government spending?"
It was 3-TIMES less than any [D]-trifecta BEFORE or AFTER.
That's what happened.
Leftard delusion really shows up anytime "budget" discussions occur. FFS ... WHICH party is pitching all the high-cost Nazi "plans"???? RU leftards really that F'En stupid?
Weird. Just 2 weeks ago you agreed that it would be better to trade tariffs for the income tax. Now that Trump said it you disagree.
Also funny you didn’t actually listen to the podcast but waited for someone else to criticize it.
You also keep misusing the term free trade to protect managed and advantaged trade.
Am two-thirds through the Trump appearance on Rogan. Trump represented himself well, as expected. They hit on a lot of topics which I enjoyed. Rogan steered at times to keep the length reasonable, but also allowed the conversation to proceed organically.
I like the jokes about 'weaving'. That is precisely what Kamala cannot do. Kamala will choke if she goes on JRE, and she and her team know it.
Pres Trump won the election outright with this JRE appearance.
Can you imagine the contrast to a similar three hour interview with Harris?
No
I have been trying really hard for a long time ... and failed ... to try to find anything about him that is not flatulence (unless you accept bloviating as different from flatulence) I really really REALLY wanted to be able to hold my nose and vote for anyone other than a Democrat, but - alas! - it was not to be.
"From 9/11 to the COVID-19 pandemic, crisis moments keep reshaping the political landscape."
Well, no shit.
When did Walker figure this one out...yesterday?
To be fair I never thought of this process framed in just that way before. That's what thinkers do - even when they're wrong - they try to reframe facts from a different perspective to see what it leads to. Sort of like throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks, I guess.
Pretty good summary of how we got to where we are, but I would say that the two tribes (elite vs non-elite) were already well established before COVID.
9/11 war on terror/Iraq-few elites deployed or had family members who did, then suffered the consequences. Also, massive government contracts for military and homeland security nurtured development of the tech elite class. Many of them settled in NoVa suburbs and this is when Virginia really started to flip to a blue state.
Financial crisis and Great Recession: by now, the elite were mostly sheltered from this and were able to get solid mortgages and keep their homes and jobs. They got even richer because of Obama’s policies like quantitative easing.
COVID- elites were able to work from home and/or leave metro areas and was very easy for them to watch the carnage and sneer at those who didn’t want the vaccine and didn’t have their options to form learning pods or party with their friends at beach houses. Interestingly, Trump is polling better in NYC, which was hardest hit by Covid, than any Republican candidate since Bush I and the NYT admits that the Democrats’ covd policies have a lot to do with this.
Covid vaccines and masks because highly politicized with the result the Covid death toll of Republicans soared over that of the Democrats who were getting vaccinated. Looking at excess deaths to avoid birth certificates, and into two States where political registration is public, Ohio and Florida, the data showed excess deaths to be about the same up until the vaccine was available, and Republican excess deaths rose significantly greater than Democratic excess deaths after that. The Covid vaccines were highly politicized.
Indeed. In fact, for a party founded on (classical) liberalism and Burkean conservatism, it is hard to see Trump as nothing but. In fact arguably the opposite.
Just adding a few examples of how this dynamic plays out in Europe, albeit in general the political discussion is highly derivative of the US, even to the befuddling point of embracing the US habit of using the term liberal to describe illiberalism with a left wing veneer.
In Sweden, the formerly openly neo Nazi Sweden democrats were the only one who called for much harsher pandemic containment measures. In Germany, the hard left BSW is calling for deportation of immigrants, settling Ukraine in Russias favor, and opposing Israel. In the Netherlands, the far right is a strong advocate of gay rights (conveniently used for Islamophobic sentiments) and economic liberalism (also to oppose a growing EU far beyond the liberalism of the internal market).
And of course in the east, as it was the communists that were conservative, it is the right that calls for a return of something like it. In Ukraine, the ruling coalition depends on hard right elements openly supporting Nazi ideology (for obvious historical reasons, but still). In Serbia, the hard right opposes fascism, symbolic of the Ustasa regime in the Nazi puppet state of Croatia.
In Germany, it was a conservative Merkel that upped the ante and called for an energy transition on speed while reneging on nuclear altogether. The left green coalition that took over was hamstrung to up the ante even more even in the midst of an energy crisis.
And of course it was the left that mostly presided over radical neoliberal reforms. New Zealand, post crisis Sweden, Mitterand, Tony Blair, and Schroder in Germany. The far right is anticapitalist, illiberal, statist, and pro union.
Commitment to ideals are but a minor factor..