Where Is Trump's Plan To Cut Spending?
The former president says the government should be funded like it was in 1890. So where's the plan to reset spending to 1890s levels?

During a town hall event at a barbershop in the Bronx—yes, really—this week, former President Donald Trump was asked about the possibility of eliminating the federal income tax.
How he answered revealed something about how Trump understands fiscal policy—and something important about what he doesn't, despite having spent nine years either campaigning for the president or sitting in the White House.
The question is a bit of a random one for a presidential candidate to field, but it's a sensible thing to ask since Trump has spent months promising to exempt various types of income—including tips and Social Security payments—from federal income tax. So why not just eliminate the federal income tax altogether?
Trump seemed to take the idea at least semi-seriously. "In the old days…in the 1890s," Trump said, "[the United States] had all tariffs—it didn't have an income tax."
"We have people that are dying, they're paying tax and they don't have the money to pay the tax," Trump continued.
On this point, Trump is directionally correct. The income tax sucks! It is a real burden that creates a disincentive to work and unfairly robs productive Americans of their earnings. And Trump is right that there was a time when the country didn't have an income tax. A temporary one was imposed during the Civil War, but the income tax as we know it today was created after the passage of the 16th Amendment in 1913.
This isn't the first time Trump has mentioned the 1890s as a model for American fiscal policy, as The New York Times noted on Thursday, and some of the nationalist conservatives who support his campaign also seem to have a fondness for the era when tariffs were the primary means of funding the (much smaller) federal government.
But there are two sides to fiscal policy: revenue and spending. Of the two, the spending side—which indicates the "true tax," as Milton Friedman famously put it—is the more important.
Put another way: If you want to fund the government at 1890s levels, and using 1890s methods, you have to have a plan to cut spending to 1890s levels too.
That's impossible right now. Measured as a share of the size of the country's economy, federal spending in the 1890s averaged around 3 percent of gross domestic product (GDP). In 2024, government spending exceeded 24 percent of GDP—more than $6.8 trillion.
Currently, America's GDP is about $29 trillion. Cutting back to 1890s spending levels would mean the government could spend no more than about $900 billion next year. For context: the interest on the national debt cost $892 billion in fiscal year 2024.
That leaves less than $10 billion for everything else. Goodbye, Social Security (which cost $1.4 trillion this year). Goodbye to the military. Goodbye to it all.
To be sure, Trump probably wasn't being serious about returning the government to 1890s levels. Indeed, he's never been serious about cutting spending at all. He added $8 trillion to the debt during his four years in office, and you can only blame the COVID-19 pandemic for the last few billion of that total.
Trump needs a plan to cut spending. A real one. Yes, his unofficial campaign surrogate Elon Musk has recently taken up this cause, promising that a second Trump administration would "spend a lot less" by rolling back regulations and firing federal workers. That sounds more like a Trumpified version of the ever-present campaign trail promises to root out "waste, fraud, and abuse" than it does like an actual plan—but, sure, go for it.
It's not the 1890s that should be the goal for Trump and his fellow Republicans, but rather the 1990s (at least as a starting point). Toward the end of that decade, the most recent time that the federal budget was balanced, government spending was less than 18 percent of GDP. Simply getting close to that level today would require a massive rollback of what the government does.
Unfortunately, that's not what Trump is promising to do. In fact, independent analyses of his (not-all-that-well-defined) agenda show he would widen the budget deficit.
There is a huge disconnect between the amount of government that Americans get and what they pay for right now. Closing that gap should be a priority for the next administration—and Congress. Any talk about cutting taxes should not be taken seriously until there's an actual plan in place to control spending.
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And back from his visit to America.
America says that we can CUT THE SHIT out of Government Almighty spending, MASSIVELY, and, at the same time, VASTLY increase our Government Almighty-funded benefits!!!
(Wow, has this EVER been tried before? Twat were the results?)
The math conflicts with Trump's promises? Well obviously the math is leftist.
Ideas™ !
Almost like Congress and appropriation language limits the Hitler from acting as an authoritarian.
https://www.cbpp.org/research/state-budget-and-tax/the-trump-budgets-massive-cuts-to-state-and-local-services-and
https://thehill.com/policy/finance/334768-here-are-the-66-programs-eliminated-in-trumps-budget/
https://apnews.com/article/biden-2024-government-regulations-democrats-6badc3b424b9eff3ba51e0ec35a8d824
https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2020/11/trump-has-slashed-jobs-nearly-every-federal-agency-biden-promises-reversal/170203/
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-calls-cabinet-cut-department-spending-percent/story?id=58565204
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/rebuilding-federal-agencies-hollowed-out-trump-and-congress
https://nypost.com/2024/10/18/opinion/trump-could-scrap-doe-push-school-choice-and-boost-education/
https://apnews.com/article/biden-2024-government-regulations-democrats-6badc3b424b9eff3ba51e0ec35a8d824
But damn him and his non recognition of the constitution. The only answer is to increase taxes and ignore the role of Congress.
If only he had the power of Chase bumper stickers.
I thought we were supposed to ignore what he says and look at what he did. The end result being something you blame on Democrats.
It is amazing how you failed 4th grade civics and continue to argue politics.
I blame the branch who sets spending levels and appropriation. I blame Obama for having OPM changing appropriation language from may to shall. I blame The Resistance for ignoring executive edicts.
I don't blame the person I have derangement syndrome for.
I’m just pointing out your hypocrisy.
You shift between "look at what he said" and "look at what he did" with such fluidity. So fluid.
I’ll add hypocrisy to list of words you don’t understand.
How does he cut spending with what is mentioned above buddy?
Your failing 4th grade civics is showing. We get it. You are ignorant.
Weird seeing someone who keeps comparing him to Hitler now complains he didn't act as an authoritarian.
Your failing 4th grade civics is showing. We get it. You are ignorant.
From someone who doesn't understand checks and balances.
I'm not going through the rest of your comment, so..
Disclaimer: failure to address every lie and false premise in Jesse's post is not meant to be interpreted as tacit agreement with those lies and false premises.
Sarc, just stop, Jesse isn’t the one that doesn’t understand things. That’s you. Probably because you’re a stupid, deranged alcoholic that only cares about getting blackout drunk and raving about Trump.
It just doesn't make sense.
He is truly retarded.
From someone who doesn’t understand checks and balances.
Lol. Fucking peewee Herman. You're the one demanding the president as solely responsible for budget cuts you retarded leftist loser.
Is this for real? Are you this unaware of your own arguments?
Ha Ha , Jesse isn’t on mute.
I will get the leftist retard to put me back on the list.
It is never Trump's fault. Never.
That's funny, I was told yesterday that policies don't matter. Right?
Oh, and Jesse:
All but one of your links are about what Trump SAID he would do. Not about what he actually did. And as I was told yesterday, what a candidate SAYS he will do is completely meaningless. All that matters is the candidate's track record.
And that single citation of yours that didn't, the govexec link?
So he talked a lot about firing people, but at the end of the day, he hired more people than he fired. The federal workforce GREW under his watch. And as I was told yesterday, that's the only thing that matters. Not his hot air.
Terrible dictator.
Orange Man Bad....he only cut 2%.
Orange Man Bad must do better this time...cut 20% on day 2.
Boehm is one of the ones who refused to state which of Trump or Harris he'd prefer.
But given the fact that Boehm is mostly the one responsible for the "JD Vance is wrong!" local meme, I have my suspicions.
My answer is neither. I wonder what his is ?
Trump spent 4 yrs. actually in the seat but Boehm is sure he's wrong because in order to downsize a pro-baseball team you have to go back to playing like Cy Young or something.
Boehm's doing a pretty good job of convincing me that we should go back to institutionalizing imbeciles and maybe even treating them with shock therapy rather than giving them degrees in journalism.
So basically, lock up the democrats.
Bohem is a big gov Marxist. If he had any honor he would have killed himself
jfc do we have to do this with you too? point your keyboard at the fucking Ruling Class and ask those assholes when they are going to stop violating every fucking amendment in the Bill of Rights and yes I bet I could come up with something they're doing right this second that counts for the 3d which everyone neglects.
stop whining and help save the Republic. then you can whine. goddam.
Basic tariff logic here.
Protectionist tariffs, the kind Trump is most fond of, are not intended to generate revenue. The point is to change behavior. They’re intended to not be paid because they make things so expensive that nobody buys them. Ideally they generate zero revenue and change behavior by getting people to buy something else, preferably domestically produced goods at a comparative disadvantage.
Revenue tariffs on the other hand need to be small enough to not change behavior and to bring in revenue. The intent is for them to be paid. Ideally they don’t change behavior and bring money into the treasury.
Trump and his defenders want to have it both ways. They want tariffs to both fund the government and discourage people from buying imports.
Sorry but it’s one or the other.
It isnamazing how you're incapable of learning. There are also tariffs intended to reduce anti market behaviors of others, which you intentionally ignore despite being given evidence.
You're stuck on stupid because you think you have a winning argument when you really have a retarded one.
He offered 0 tariffs if other countries reciprocated.
Do I need to post your retarded definition of a free market again?
Do I need to post your retarded definition of a free market again?
My definition, which is the same definition used by economists for the last three hundred years or so, is a market where your own government doesn't interfere in your trade.
Your definition, which is the same definition used before economists like Smith, Hayek, Friedman, Bastiat and others you dismiss as leftists showed the errors in mercantilist and potectionary economics, is just plain leftist.
So please, wax on about how comparative advantage is so unfair and how government should solve it with more taxes.
That's what you'd say if you were capable of honesty.
Lol. It is not the same definition retard. What the fuck is wrong with you.
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He knows that the “free” in free trade means the freedom to trade with people in other political jurisdictions without interference from yours.
Vs.
free trade
noun
Trade between nations without regulatory barriers such as tariffs or quotas.
Do you know what the word between means? It doesn’t say one way. You are describing advantaged trade. Lol.
Free trade and free markets cover both sides retard.
You just refuted Adam Smith! Give this man a Nobel!
I've come to the conclusion that when you (I haven't found who you're parroting but I haven't looked very hard) and others who use the term 'advantaged trade' are like leftists who say things like 'economic justice'. When leftist do it they're taking words and attempting to redefine them as their opposite.
How's that any different that what you're doing? You see comparative advantage and try to "fix" it with taxes, regulations and subsidies.
And how is that any different from leftist economics except for the who and what?
You've never read Adam Smith dumbfuck. It is amazing even when using your definition against the real definition you're too fucking dumb to get it.
Adam Smith did not argue only one market actor is to act in a free market. He actually discussed all actors.
You really are a dumb retarded leftist. It is fucking amazing.
Instead of drinking, go pick up a book. Have someone read it to you.
Seriously the dumbest person on this site and you revel in your own ignorance.
Tariffs, excise taxes, and duties worked pretty good for 150 years.
Cut all the growth in government over the last 100 years and tariffs, excise taxes and duties will work pretty good again.
That was before FDR crossed the Rubicon.
The administrative state can't exist on consumption taxes alone. However our politicians have shown that they're going to spend, spend, and spend some more regardless of revenue. So cutting taxes doesn't cut spending. It just increases the deficit and debt.
You know what the solution is. It used to be a common comment before the Trump defenders took over the comments.
FUCK YOU, CUT SPENDING
Hardly ever see anyone say that anymore.
maybe start posting FUCK YOU CUT SPENDING every time you want to Boehm it up in here with the imaginary brawl-posts?
And I'm the one who is always accused of drunk posting.
you suggested the way to make this place better I was joining in.
The one time someone takes me seriously...
Generally I choose to argue only at the authors.
We just posted the third highest deficit ever at over 1.5 Trillion.
It's a spending problem. The solution to spending problems isn't getting more money. They will just find new ways to spend it, then ask for more.
I offer NYC MTA as an example.
Are you agreeing with me? You know that's going to get you a lot of hate.
I agree with you. I'm steeped in hate already anyway.
If you believe the only way to reduce the deficits and debt is to cut spending, then I do.
If you think increasing taxes will help, then I don't agree.
We have seen you for months scream FUCK YOU RAISE TAXES.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'll take the bait.
We’ve seen your favorite strawman spread that lies based upon me saying that it’s irresponsible to cut taxes and increase spending, which is what you as a Trump defender promote. You twist what I said into meaning I want to raise taxes. Which is a lie of course. I want to see spending cut until it matches income.
However you wouldn’t be posting a reply to me if it wasn’t a lie. Water makes things wet, and Jesse posts lies because he's a piece of shit, as are all who defend him.
Do you have a cite? Because of have cites.
This is nothing more than you, as usual, lying or forgetting what you've said.
I mean it was just Saturday you were crying MY health insurance received an individual tax break.
Are you threatening me with linkless, cherry-picked comments from years ago that you will misinterpret and attack based upon false premises, for the entertainment of a half a dozen losers who eat military-grade stupid pills every six hours?
Go for it.
Lol. God damn you're broken. Links don't change your complete statements. They never have.
You're just spiraling these days that people hold you accountable to your bullshit and ignorance.
All you do is take quotes out of context, but you freak the fuck out and get emotional when someone quotes Trump out of context.
Watch this. This will freak you out and cause an emotional reaction.
Here's a quote from your political messiah.
“They let — I think the real number is 15, 16 million people into our country. When they do that, we got a lot of work to do. They’re poisoning the blood of our country”
Now you go crazy defending that statement. Go!
How is an entire full quote out of context you dumb retarded leftist fuck?
You scream and shout nonsense then think you say something intelligent.
You're dumb as fuck sarc.
By the way, you proved me right.
And you're truly truly retarded. This should be good. How?
Lol.
You're a lying leftist retard shit weasel who actually sucks IQ out of the room. You're so dumb you don't understand how ignorant you are.
It is amazing. Please never leave. Laughing at you is fucking hilarious.
We have seen you for months scream FUCK YOU RAISE TAXES.
No, that is both Team Blue’s AND Team Red’s current position. Of course Team Blue is very open about wanting to raise taxes. But Team Red also favors raising taxes, they are just coy about it. Because by proposing tax ‘cuts’ without spending cuts, they are actually proposing tax deferral. Meaning, that the taxes that would have been used to pay for current spending, that spending is instead paid for by borrowing, and that spending must then be paid for by future generations, who will pay plus interest.
There really isn’t much difference between Team Blue and Team Red at this point. Team Red is just better at messaging that they are the ‘fiscally responsible’ ones.
So you missed the part about the spending side. Have another go.
FUCK YOU, CUT SPENDING
Yes.
Drink!
Who has the power to do that in our governance sarc?
Trump?
He’s too drunk and stupid to know.
Yet he claims to be the one who understands checks and balances above. Lol.
It is amazing how quickly you can shut him the fuck up with a very simple question that my 8 year old could answer.
He and Jeffy have really fallen apart in recent weeks.
Put another way: If you want to fund the government at 1890s levels, and using 1890s methods, you have to have a plan to cut spending to 1890s levels too.
Ok
Start repealing laws in reverse order until you reach 1890. The big gains will come from killing income tax, social security, and the Federal Reserve act. Big government is an unneeded luxury we can longer afford. The only way to shrink it is to starve it, and that is going to happen one way or another, peacefully or violently.
They didn't even mention state and local government spending, which is another 15% of GDP. That will all need to be rolled-back as well. I don't know how we'll get by without all those valuable and essential state, county, city, and regional government services, but I guess we'll find a way to manage somehow.
The runaway spending has to stop, or the US will end up bankrupt like the old Soviet Union and Eastern Bloc.
Pulling out of the UN and NATO would be a good start followed by ending all subsidies, foreign aid, grants, corporate welfare as well as terminating so many useless, needless and expensive bureaucracies.
But the problem is neither the GOP or the democrats have the temerity or the prudence to do what is necessary.
Ergo, I get the distinct impression the US will be doomed for an economic meltdown.
When, I don't know.
But it will happen if the spending doesn't stop soon.
Replace Social Security with a means-tested welfare program for the poor elderly.
Return my contributions, or pay me in federal real estate.
You didn’t ‘contribute.’ Don’t be fooled. You were taxed, and your money was given to someone else. They can’t return anything to you, and pretending you are entitled to a 'return of contributions' is how they keep the can kicking down the road.
Libertarians for forced wealth transfers?
The wealth has already been transferred (probably years ago and we’re just paying it off). So they literally can’t give us back what we’ve paid in. Demanding that they do inherently means them taking from the next cohort when we “retire”.
(I believe this is what Night Watchman is saying)
He wants reparations.
Doesnt matter. They will be forced to cut.
A drastic reduction of revenue would do wonders. Remember when they were all panicking and losing their minds when the budget shortfall was like 2% and all they had to do was make a 8 year plan to simply not raise spending and they couldnt even do that much?
yeah, cutting revenues by a huge amount is the ONLY way to get this crap under control.
Well, step 1 is get a majority in Congress that wants the same. Step 2 is get 3/4 of the states to repeal the 16th amendment. Step 3 FUCK YOU CUT SPENDING. At minimum we need literal decimation of the federal government to even consider it. No way anything close to the current leviathan can be funded with tariffs and excise taxes.
Step 2 is get 3/4 of the states to repeal the 16th amendment.
Not true. Congress can vote to NOT impose personal income tax even if they have the power to impose it.
OK, not strictly necessary. But I don't want them adding income tax back in later.
Steps 1 and 2 are too often ignored.
Neither Trump nor Harris will address entitlements.
Which branch can modify or rescind a law sarc?
According to what Trump has said, if a law that cut entitlements was put onto his desk he’d veto it without a second thought.
And you would defend this. You’d attack anyone who defended the if Trump didn't like it.
Principles shminciples.
You didn't answer the question sarc.
Which branch can modify or rescind a law sarc?
Which branch can modify or rescind a law sarc?
The correct answer is "all three branches".
The legislature can pass a bill rescinding a law, but it only becomes effective if the executive branch agrees. The judicial branch can rescind a law by declaring it unconsitutional.
But this is an academic exercise, because as we all know:
Trump is never to blame. Never.
This could be the dumbest statement ever made.
The legislative branch can change law and override a veto. President is not required.
Courts can not rescind a constitutional law. Is your claim these laws in the thread are unconstitutional shit weasel?
President’s can’t create or rescind legislation, especially with courts reigning in chevron. They are required to carry put the law under thr take care clause.
You’re as fucking stupid as sarc Jeff.
Why are you democrats so fucking dumb?
If you retarded fucktards would learn basics of government you would not blame Trump for everything like you do. You two leftist retards have no concept of how government works.
By the way sarc. Here is your hero chase Oliver.
“It’s bankrupt. It’s a Ponzi scheme. We’ve paid into the system. We don’t get out what we were promised. And ultimately, it’s going to go belly up because the math just doesn’t work. And so it is a failed federal program. Much like many federal programs,” he said. “It costs too much and it doesn’t deliver. And I think it’s better for us younger voters or for younger folks especially, to be given our money back so we can invest in the marketplace. I don’t want to take it away from my parents or grandparents who are living on those benefits, but I’m never going to get those benefits, even if I pay in until the day I retire.”
Hmmm… won’t take it away from parents or grandparents… hmmmm
Seems like his principle isnhe won't get his. Lol.
Why are you so angry, hostile, hateful, antagonistic and defensive about ideas for phasing out entitlements?
The only possible reason is because chase is gay. What else could it be?
Wut? Vapid Chase doesn't state what his plan is I'm that quote. He complains he won't get his and won't end it. Mouth the words sarc. He talks of only reform, not ending it. Trump does the same.
https://reason.com/podcast/2024/08/07/chase-oliver-qa-with-the-controversial-libertarian-party-candidate/
Today's guest is the Libertarian Party's candidate for president Chase Oliver, who wants to phase out Social Security and Medicare for younger Americans
Willful ignorance is willful.
But you will continue to defend Harris, right?
He already started blaming Congressional spending under Biden on Trump claiming they just used baseline budgeting for thenincreases. I mean it when I say sarc is really fucking stupid.
A 100% BS LIE.
"He added $8 trillion to the debt during his four years in office, and you can only blame the COVID-19 pandemic for the last few billion of that total."
No. It wasn't $8T and 1/2 of it came from the Cares Act you BS liar.
70% of the increase prior to covid was spending growth on prior debt and entitlements. Boehm even wrote an article on it 2 years ago.
He must have forgotten.
With leftists like Boehm, it’s the history of now.
Put another way: If you want to fund the government at 1890s levels, and using 1890s methods, you have to have a plan to cut spending to 1890s levels too.
Learn to fucking code you fucking retard.
1890? I would settle for spending like we did in 2019. You know, with already bloated programs and agencies--not exactly a hardship year for anyone feeding at the trough, and for acceptable levels of government provision of stuff regular people use. And we could cut taxes from current levels AND have a surplus.
Then if we really wanted to get serious, we could revert to 1990 spending.
Congratulations, you just balanced the budget.
The "emergency" spending after the real estate bust became permanent. The "emergency" spending after COVID became permanent. Democrats own both of those, with the blame for Republicans being they didn't try nearly hard enough to put a stop to it.
Trump needs a plan to cut spending. A real one.
Trump need a plan to do Congress’ job?
Pop quiz hotshot. Are you for:
1) Eliminating social security.
2) Eliminating medicare/medicaid.
3) Eliminating any and all social welfare, including public health care.
4) Eliminating any programs even slightly related to climate change.
Those are the big four. Forget the DOD. Forget Ukraine/Israel. Forget all that. If you are willing to go on record and say that the Legislature should get Americans off the public dole, then you can be taken seriously on this subject. If you are unwilling to do that, then you are a clown in clown world when it comes to the subject of spending.
1) SS can pay close to 90% of current benefits now. Ratchet up the age for full benefits over 10 years to make it break even, and then keep adjusting the age (up or down) to balance payments.
2) Ideally, get government completely out of health care. Meanwhile cap end-of-life spending and "heroic" spending. Eliminate Medicaid.
3) Yup. If compassionate people want to help others, do it on their own dime.
4) Yup, and also DEI, reparations, affirmative action, eco-whatever, pro sports stadiums, etc.
1) SS can pay close to 90% of current benefits now. Ratchet up the age for full benefits over 10 years to make it break even, and then keep adjusting the age (up or down) to balance payments.
Well okay, that is not a terrible idea, but it keeps the entitlement in place. A better solution, IMO, is to transition away from government-provided retirement entirely. W. tried to do that, to his credit. Something like that.
2) Ideally, get government completely out of health care. Meanwhile cap end-of-life spending and “heroic” spending. Eliminate Medicaid.
I am fine with getting government completely out of health care spending. The conundrum, however, is that the vast majority of people are not going to tolerate a situation in which poor people die of preventable illnesses due to lack of ability to pay. So the moment any politician proposes to get rid of government involvement in health care, WITHOUT this concern being addressed in some way, that plan dies instantly. So, what do you propose in this regard?
3) Yup. If compassionate people want to help others, do it on their own dime.
See above.
4) Yup, and also DEI, reparations, affirmative action, eco-whatever, pro sports stadiums, etc.
That’s fine, but in the spirit of AT’s post, if you aren’t willing to tackle the big drivers of spending, then you can’t really be counted on as a serious person. All of these other areas of spending are smaller than the military budget. If you want to be taken seriously, then you have to say something about cutting military spending before even beginning to talk about spending on sports stadiums. Mind you, I am totally against government spending on sports stadiums. I just don’t think it is a meaningful category of spending compared to the military.
So the moment any politician proposes to get rid of government involvement in health care, WITHOUT this concern being addressed in some way, that plan dies instantly. So, what do you propose in this regard?
Y'know, any quick glance at GoFundMe shows huge outpourings of public support for legitimate causes that people are actually on board with. Americans (and especially Christian ones) are a charitable people - even moreso when that charity is tax deductible. They're affluent enough - among all social strata - to be so. Joys of a first world nation.
"They also knew, those Founding Fathers, that outside of its legitimate functions, government does nothing as well or as economically as the private sector of the economy."
If that's your concern, turn it over to the people. They won't let you down. And if they do, then so be it.
All of these other areas of spending are smaller than the military budget.
Yea, but that one's actually justified and a proper purpose of government. If America can't immediately annihilate every other nation on this planet a thousand times over, then we have a problem. Every other nation in the world needs to know that we can - and will - do that.
It's how you keep the fascists and communists and socialists and despots at bay. Make sure they know, with 1000% certainty, that we will indiscriminately kill them all if they even think about bringing that garbage to America. I will, and you should, absolutely be willing to spend your tax dollars on that.
Folks like Xi, Putin, Zelensky, Khamenei, Maduro, etc - they should be waking up every single night in a cold sweat and urine soaked blankets at the thought that they might have pissed us off somehow and that a CBG has turned in their direction and that non-stop hellfire from above is coming for them before dawn if they don't fix it and make amends right then and there.
DOD spending has a legitimate purpose. Ignoring that purpose empowers belligerent nations to do horrible things.
Yes + the ones you mentioned in the paragraph.
I completely agree that to be serious about cutting spending, one must look at the major drivers of spending, which are entitlements.
I will go even further: if you want to be taken seriously, you have to not only look at the major drivers of spending, but you have to look at the major consumers of the spending in each category. Otherwise you can't really be taken seriously. Saying, for example, that you want to "cut entitlements", but then you only focus on the Social Security checks going to 110-year-old grandmas living in Secaucus, New Jersey, that's not a particularly serious position either. In fact, I might say that if you focus on this one tiny demographic, very old grandmas in Secaucus, while virtually ignoring all other demographics, I might come to the conclusion that maybe you have something against Secaucus grandmas for whatever reason. (You really shouldn't though. Their lasagna is delicious!)
For ALL of the social welfare spending, including Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, TANF, SNAP, subsidized school lunches, subsidized housing, etc., etc., the major consumers of such spending are citizens. Not immigrants, and not illegal immigrants. And it's not even close. So if you say you are serious about cutting entitlement and social welfare spending, but you spend the overwhelming majority of your time focusing on the demographic which consumes a tiny minority of social welfare spending, then you are not a serious person; and I might come to the conclusion that maybe, your motivation here really isn't about cutting spending, but instead you have something against immigrants.
So, to demonstrate that you are serious about cutting spending, I'm going to insist that you focus your efforts proportionately to the magnitude of the spending that occurs. Agreed?
For ALL of the social welfare spending, including Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, TANF, SNAP, subsidized school lunches, subsidized housing, etc., etc., the major consumers of such spending are citizens. Not immigrants, and not illegal immigrants. And it’s not even close.
Who said they were? You are literally the only person to have brought up the immigration factor.
Hell, I'll make it even easier. On the subject of curbing spending, answer me this:
EMTALA - keep or repeal?
If you're for "repeal," then you should be listened to.
If you're for "keep," then you're not serious about the subject.
If you get rid of Medicaid and Medicare emtala repeals itself.
Not necessarily. Remember that ALL federal funding for hospitals comes conditioned on strict obedience to EMTALA.
Health care is a for-profit business run by trained professionals who rightfully expect compensation for their skills and services. ANY amount of public funding is too much. It encourages the health care industry to be reckless, upcharge, overcharge, poorly invest, and otherwise be completely wasteful. Which is exactly what's happened to it.
If one wants to run as a charity, great - let them go find their own funding.
Here’s the guy accused of shooting up the Tempe, Arizona office of the Democratic Party:
https://www.azfamily.com/2024/10/23/man-behind-phoenix-area-political-threats-had-huge-stash-guns-ammo-police-say/
ChemCastrateJeff thought it was Jesse but the accused does not match Sarckles’ description that Jesse may be tall, well groomed, and looks like a cop.
Ooh. That’s sarc.
Definitely sarc. That lineup photo will even disgust Jeff.
The news media acts like one person can fire 150 guns all at the same time. Oh no, some of them were stored loaded. Dude just seems lazy.
Over 120 guns, multiple shootings, planted messages with razor blades, and the guy is less deadly than one red SUV.
Didn't Biden just claim yesterday that the Donald was planning to fire every civil servant? That sounds like a YUGE cost reduction to me.
Have many links above of stuff he wanted but was unable to do due to Congress or federal rules. He actually changed the rules on firings but Biden changed it back.
Shut down every govt agency and program created after 1960. Cut defense 50% by getting rid of cost plus..we need SpaceX to build our fighters and bombers. SS was supposed to be self funding...move it to a block grant to newborns of say $10K and gradually remove all SS taxes.
There I did it...also end the Fed.
Start by reversing everything Facist D. Roosevelt implemented.
Cutting back to 1890 should be easy. There are numerous third world countries to use a models for the conversion. Get rid of the Airforce and airports as there were none in the 1890s. The Wright brother did not even fly till 1903. Most transportation was horses for local and trains for longer distances. Pull the electrical wires and plumbing from the houses and it will be just like it was when my grandparents were born. Steampunk will be the fashion for everyone.
Yeah, there is no way private enterprise could run an airport or a toll road.
Private enterprise could run airports and toll roads, but they are only going to do that where there is profit. That will leave a lot of area out of service. Can you name a first world country that you will model after. I don't think you can?
Parody
“WHERE IS THE HARRIS PLAN FOR ANYTHING?” FTFY TDS brain Reason writer!
Try looking here,
https://kamalaharris.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Policy_Book_Economic-Opportunity.pdf
It is 81 pages with references, do you have an attention span that long?
That's her plagiarized plan right?
Trump will not decrease spending over all. He may cut some areas, but will increase other areas. Counter this with Kamala Harris, who will not decrease spending either. The reality is that Kamala Harris will increase spending at a faster rate than Trump and likely much faster. Both are irresponsible, but the demise will occur faster with Harris than with Trump.
History suggests to us that the best way to reduce spending is to have President Harris and at least one house of Congress controlled by Republicans.
That doesn't reduce _spending_. A divided government may reduce the _increase_, but spending was still increasing every year. AFAIK, the last time spending decreased was when WWII ended and the military was substantially reduced - after 4 years of spending most of the GDP on making things to be blown up overseas.