J.D. Vance Says 7 Million Able-Bodied Men Have Dropped Out of the Labor Force. Where Are They?
There are many explanations for the slow, long-term decline in work force participation among American men. Undocumented immigration doesn't seem to be a major factor.

During a recent interview with New York Times reporter Lulu Garcia-Navarro, Sen. J.D. Vance (R–Ohio) argued that illegal immigration has contributed to a worrying decline in the number of American men who are part of the labor force.
The exchange began with Garcia-Navarro asking Vance about the potential "knock-on effects" of his plan to deport millions of undocumented workers, which could be a particularly serious blow to the construction industry. In response, Vance suggested that jobs vacated by deported migrants would be filled instead by Americans who are sitting on the sidelines.
"You would take, let's say for example, the seven million prime-age men who have dropped out of the labor force…You absolutely could re-engage folks into the American labor market," Vance said. Later in the exchange, he returned to that figure, saying that "one of the really deranged things" caused by high levels of undocumented immigration is that "it gets us in a mind-set of saying we can only build houses with illegal immigrants, when we have seven million—just men, not even women, just men—who have completely dropped out of the labor force."
"We cannot have an entire American business community that is giving up on American workers and then importing millions of illegal laborers," he concluded. "That is what we have thanks to Kamala Harris's border policies."
This argument is worth examining closely, because it is fundamental to the economic worldview of Vance and the so-called New Right, which wants to use government force—including, but not limited to, those deportations—to help American workers, even if that aid comes with an economic cost. It's the same fundamental calculus that underpins conservative support for tariffs, industrial policy, and other forms of governmental intervention: that the market's relentless drive to provide cheaper products and to shift production toward more affordable labor is a bad tradeoff for some Americans.
Here, Vance has identified that group quite clearly and proposed a tidy solution. Kick out undocumented workers, and give those jobs to the 7 million American men who have left the labor force.
But where are those 7 million men? And why aren't they already filling some of the 8 million available jobs in the country?
Let's start with the figure itself. Vance seems to be borrowing this stat from Nicholas Eberstadt, a political economist at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank. Eberstadt argues that America has seen "a mass exodus of men from the workforce" and points to the fact that more than 10 percent of American men of prime working age (from 25 to 54) are neither working nor looking for work. He calls this "America's invisible crisis"—invisible because individuals who leave the work force are not included in the calculation of the unemployment rate, which counts only those who are actively seeking work (a point that Vance also made in his interview with the Times).
Vance's interpretation of Eberstadt's analysis assumes that those 7 million men are eager to find work, and indeed would find work if their potential jobs weren't currently held by, for example, undocumented workers building homes.
Illegal immigration, Vance says, is "one of the biggest reasons why we have millions of people who've dropped out of the labor force. Why try to re-engage an American citizen in a good job if you can just import somebody from Central America who's going to work under the table for poverty wages? It is a disgrace, and it has led to the evisceration of the American middle class."
That's a huge logical leap—one that requires Vance to ignore several other explanations for slow, decades-long decline in the labor force participation rate of American men. It's also a conclusion that is not supported by Eberstadt's own research into this phenomenon.
Indeed, Eberstadt's work shows that the decline in work force participation of American men has been steady and ongoing since the 1960s. It has continued steadily during periods when immigration has been high, and when it has been low.
Other economic factors also fail to explain this steady decline, as Eberstadt wrote in an essay for National Affairs in 2020: "The tempo of workforce withdrawal appears to be almost completely unaffected by the tempo of national economic growth, which varied appreciably over this period. Even recessions—including the Great Recession—appear to have scarcely any impact on the trend. Likewise, the NAFTA agreement, China's entry into the World Trade Organization, and other 'disruptive' trade events with major implications for the demand for labor in America do not stand out," Eberstadt wrote in 2020.
In other words, it's not the natcon boogeymen of free trade and immigration that are driving this outcome. Eberstadt has argued that a lack of educational options for low-income men is the primary cause, though a number of cultural changes have also played a role, including "family structure, government-benefit dependence, and mass incarceration."
Conspicuously absent from that list: undocumented immigration. (I emailed Eberstadt to ask for his views on Vance's remarks, but he did not respond before publication.)
Contrary to Vance's claim, it does not seem like most of those men have been forced out of the work force by employers who are eager to "import somebody from Central America who's going to work under the table for poverty wages." Rather, they've left the work force for a variety of reasons. Some are in jail, some are disabled, some are caring for family members or otherwise unable to commit to a full-time job. The notion that America has 7 million able-bodied men who would be working if only they could find a job is misguided.
Vance's argument also ignores other relevant details, like the fact that men's participation in the labor force has increased over the past four years. It's not what you'd expect to see if the Biden administration's immigration policies were forcing working-age American men out of jobs.
"Inability to find a job has played a minimal role in men's declining labor supply," concluded Eberstadt's colleague Scott Winship, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, in an essay published last month by Fusion. After reviewing decades of data about why nonworking men are still without a job, Winship concluded that "only about a quarter of the increase in prime-age men who were jobless for a full year was explained by men who wanted a job."
In an email on Wednesday, Winship said that he was "agnostic" about whether reducing immigration would boost wages for native-born workers or bring more men into the work force.
But the story of the 7 million missing working-age men is certainly far more complicated than Vance's attempt to scapegoat migrant workers. Indeed, if federal policy is to blame for the decline in labor force participation among men, Vance should be paying more attention to welfare benefits for native-born workers rather than the consequences of undocumented immigrants.
"The decline in work force participation among working-age men hasn't been due to any deterioration in the labor market or economy," Winship wrote in an email on Wednesday. "It mostly reflects rising school enrollment, increased responsibilities at home, earlier retirement, and especially increased receipt of disability benefits. The latter is primarily a problem with our disability policy rather than with our economy."
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Yeah, sounds silly that tossing citizens out of jobs like construction et al to "hire" people who you can underpay and who cannot complain of mistreatment would have ANY impact on workforce participation.
Silliness I say.
I’m thinking immigration is pretty low on the list. This country is fucked in a lot of ways, people just don’t believe in the central myth anymore.
Or factory layoffs by the big three while they build overseas manufacturing plants……. After receiving government subsidies, grants, etc.. Often for ‘EV incentives’.
Boehm absurdly asks "Where Are They?"
As a retiree who has ridden 2,500 miles on my bicycle each of the past three years, I see hundreds of able bodied men (and women) every day who aren't working (while riding my bike).
In recent years, I've noticed many more people who are homeless, illegal immigrants, and disabled (largely due to their obesity).
Perhaps Boehm should take a walk (or bike ride, or even drive a car) around any city or town in America on any day to see reality.
That would require bohem ton not be an evil retarded sub human cancerous fag
Quick summary of the article.
Vance used a conservative source. The source identified the 7M. But Vance is wrong because he can't prove they would want to work.
They have proved that they don't want to work all by themselves. Know how? They're not working!
Cite? Because you're wrong. There are surveys of these groups and reasons for labor force drop out.
But again you don't care about facts, just open borders. Because you're a fucking idiot.
Anyone who really wants a job can get a job. The fact that these people have not gotten a job is self-evident proof that they don’t want to work.
I'll repeat. There are surveys you could actually look up as to the reasons. You choose not to because you wish to dismiss this labor pool in support of your illegal open borders into a welfare state narrative.
Yes, we know you don’t have a job because you don’t want one, and collect welfare. You just want to get blackout drunk, and rant and rave here. Often in that order.
I was worried that Vance wasn’t going to be wrong and Boehm wasn’t going to be right today.
Assured of that, the idea that former workers would report “my employer hired an illegal immigrant to pay them slave wages to work my job” rather than “I got fired, decided to eat the loss, and care for my sick relative.” and that, further Boehm would even accept “my employer hired an illegal immigrant to pay them slave wages” even if stated as such rather than just reporting “The jobs numbers are up… AGAIN!!!” is laughably retarded on several levels.
Could competition for jobs have reduced wages enough to make unemployed status more attractive?
Why yes! Yet it could!
J.D. Vance is wrong again!
the articles practically write themselves
Or they're living off a woman, or they're self employed drug dealers, or they're living off the grid or busy trying to break into show business.
Given the cluelessness in Hollywood, that’s not a great job market either. The film industry is shit, and network/cable/streaming series are being cancelled faster than an actor expressing support for Trump.
JD Vance is wrong about dropouts.
So Vance wants to drive up the prices of the stuff we buy with tariffs, and he wants to drive up the prices of things produced by immigrants by kicking them out so that employers will hire Americans instead for much more money. Because nothing makes people prosper like paying more for everything.
Wow. You really are dumb. You have narratives, unfounded, and will say anything to remain ignorant.
Even the yearly cost of money going to illegals is triple the costs of tariffs. You’re fucking retarded sarc. Doesn’t even include benefits going to the displaced workers.
You'd rather hide costs with higher federal taxes lol. Fucking idiot.
Fallacy of relative privation for the win!
Disclaimer: Failure to address the other lies, fallacies and false premises in Jesse's comment is not tacit agreement with those lies, fallacies and false premises.
You’re not even trying to make a factual or intelligent argument anymore. Just double down on idiotic, fact free assertions.
You brought up tariffs. In a thread about workers. Whose cost for your plan is triple the cost. So cost isn't actually your motivation here. Narratives are.
If he succeeds in kicking out immigrants because they work for too little money, and that succeeds in getting Americans will fill those jobs for more money, what do you think will happen to the price of the things made by the people doing those jobs for more money?
Anyone with a brain will say that prices will go up.
And that’s why I brought in tariffs – because they cause prices to go up.
Then I linked the two together as things he supports that will make prices go up.
Your response was “Look over there at that worse problem! Ignore this! I said ignore it and look over there! That’s so much worse! Here’s why you’re not talking about it!”
Which is a red herring dressed up as the fallacy of relative privation (what you said doesn’t matter because something else is worse) complete with strawman overalls.
Then you try to polish it off with a little gaslighting by telling me I don’t know things that I know.
Is your mother proud of you?
>Anyone with a brain will say that prices will go up.
Didn't happen last time. Inflation happens when the government spends too much and interest rates are too low. Labor costs will rise but purchasing power will rise too.
So basically, you advocate for every American having to compete with the entire rest of the world for jobs…… in our own country?
Just when I think you can’t be more of a retarded fool, you stagger up and say ‘hold my MD 20/20!’.
“Because nothing makes people prosper like paying more for everything.”
Like the 51% of immigrants drawing welfare.
The fallacy is immigrants EARN their lively hoods and natives don’t.
…when every record under the sun shows 75%+ of them don’t want to EARN MORE-SO than their native counter-parts.
Like all selfish, greedy Democrat-minds; You're always focused on your DEMANDS with zero consideration to what SUPPLIES them.
Vance should be paying more attention to welfare benefits for native-born workers rather than the consequences of undocumented immigrants.
Fuck you asshats. This has consistently been the point of the immigration debacle for decades and you fucksticks have repeatedly demonstrated that you either don’t want to cut benefits at all or specifically want to restructure welfare benefits as an extortion scheme to benefit illegal immigrants. This dishonest friggacione is why people, even immigrants, are rejecting you leftist retards, because none of what you’ve suggested is, demonstrably, as libertarian as it is anti-right, pro-socialist, and dishonest.
^THIS^.
"more attention to welfare benefits for native-born workers"
While the 'welfare benefit' pool sits at 51% immigrant to 30% native-born.
"welfare benefits as an extortion scheme to benefit illegal immigrants"
+10000000 well said.
Vance isn't going to get elected by kicking appalachians off the draw.
You don't register to vote when you're living illegally in your girlfriend's Section 8 apartment.
More than likely 'You' do vote without even knowing it.
As so many found out when they were told they double-voted.
What about the 10s of millions on various forms of income support?
"Rather, they've left the work force for a variety of reasons. Some are in jail, some are disabled, some are caring for family members or otherwise unable to commit to a full-time job."
Source? How are they paying their bills? Why do we spend 3 trillion on income support with such demand for labor?
What about the 10s of millions on various forms of income support?
They're overwhelmingly female. We're talking about men here.
36%+ (81.4-Million) of all Adult Americans aren't employed or self-employed.
Yeah; I'd say that 7-Million figure is a wildly conservative number unless it's really 7-Million men to 74-Million Women.
Is this Reason's "Ok, yeah, so... ok, sperm count has declined massively, but it doesn't matter" article?
There are so many things wrong with the silly suggestion that immigrants are taking white men's jobs that it is difficult to know where to start. The fact is that many of the job immigrants take are low wage and hard work. The immigrant has an incentive to take these jobs because they offer a better life. The American leads a good life and see no advantage to taking a hard job that plays little. I would like to quote Mike Rowe, the dirty jobs guy;
"I wonder sometimes if the real “threat” of immigration has less to do with the “legality” of some workers, and more to do with the fact that so many are willing to sacrifice in a way that we are not?" . Getting ride of the immigrants willmot solve America's work ethics problem.
M4e is such a racist that he thinks foreigners can’t do white people work.
That's bullshit. What immigration is doing now is eliminating all incentive by employers to deliver productivity improvements that will result in higher pay for lower- level labor. Our immigration system is completely and totally broken - and has been for decades. People who want to keep it broken - who want to benefit from it remaining broken - will continually lie that America has a 'work ethic' problem. That America just needs more donkeys and slaves and serfs. If we're not producing enough donkeys and slaves, then we need to import them. It is an attempt to destroy self-governance.
The Vance/Trump 'prescription' is not a solution to any of this. It is simply attempting to pit one group of donkeys v another group of donkeys on the basis of race/culture.
If the Vance/Trump prescription managed to stem the flow of cheap slaves into the country, wouldn’t that be getting you part of the way to where you want to be? As opposed to the alternative of legalizing 1,000,000 new immigrants a year?
I suppose. But I also think that once Pied Pipers lead you to where they want you to go, then it's easy to lose sight of where you wanted to go.
WTF are you doing here JewFree? I figured you’d be in mourning over the loss of your idol, Yahya Simwar. I know you’re a huge fan of his work.
“The American leads a good life and see no advantage to taking a job.”
There. Fixed that for you.
And 75%+ of that problem comes from the immigrant pool.
That will vote for MORE ‘armed-theft’ ‘good life’.
Which will eventually eat the entire nation like milking a cow dry.
The “conquer and consume” mentality.
Practically all of these immigrants (75%) ran-from the very “conquer and consume” hellh*le mentality they themselves assisted in creating. Come to the USA and just keep insisting on the same CURSE they ran away from. Only 25% are exceptional.
JD Vance is wrong about reluctant and strategic employment.
Vance is also wrong about the cleaning power of Dawn dish soap, which is designed to clean 99% of food and grease stains.
Fuck you! Dawn is amazing at cleaning greeese and oil
You can achieve the same results with a mixture of snot, sage root, and dandelion squeezings! You’re just simping for Big Dish Soap and funding Palestinian genocide!
And why aren't they already filling some of the 8 million available jobs in the country?
There are NOT 8 million available jobs in the country. MOST jobs on online job boards now are 'ghost jobs'. They are so cheap to post that employers are not posting jobs to fill jobs. They are posting jobs to demonstrate to competitors/etc that they are 'growing'. Or posting to fill out forms that demonstrate that they are doing the due diligence in recruiting. Or they are posting total shit in order to put pressure on entry level workers that they can be replaced by Nobel Prize winners looking for minimum wage work.
Whatever those job boards may have once revealed about jobs that are available to be filled is no more. Price no longer is revealing any information about 'jobs'.
Don’t forget how many jobs we’ve shed because of you and your friends installing Harris and Biden into office.
Two major places where these young men are:
—Shacking up with their baby-mama in her subsidized home. These men "disappear" because they're living in her Section 8 home illegally, and therefore won't tell anyone official their address. This is also the reason so many of them don't have IDs.
—The Underground Economy. There are many self-employed men who have the job skills to support themselves, but not if they pay taxes, pay FICA, buy insurance and bonds, and spend money on regulatory compliance. They drop into the underground economy as a matter of survival.
So basically, it’s the fault of democrats and RINOs. Just like everything else. Which includes Boehm.
"J.D. Vance Says 7 Million Able-Bodied Men Have Dropped Out of the Labor Force. Where Are They?"
The unemployment office.
No. Then they would be counted in the unemployment stats. We're talking about men who aren't participating in the labor force at all.
Some facts: Age 25-54 labor-force participation rate is today at about 84 percent. Under Trump admin (pre COVID) it was a little lower (83 percent) at its peak but did trend up throughout the term as economic growth picked up briefly during the Trump years (thank you big, stimulative deficits). Today’s 25-54 labor-force participation rate is in fact the highest since the very early 2000s. Finally, I find no correlation between this rate and immigration once time is controlled for (they both can trend, so this adjustment is important). But you don’t need fancy methods to see this. Just look at this chart: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS11300060.
You sure about that?
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS11300001
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS11300002
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS11300006
You really think the labor participation rate is good?
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS11300028
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS11327662
This one's really telling.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS11300009
Even Hispanic/Latino isn't above 70%.
Do you believe there's 8 million actual job openings too.?
Don’t have to choose between immigration being the explanation, or immigration having no significant effect. It’s one effect out of many:
1. Previous generations were brought up on the (somewhat fake) idea that you have to go to work or else you won’t have a house or food. Then Covid-19 hit, people didn’t go to work, and they discovered that somehow there was still a house and food. Now lots of college seniors tell me they’re “deciding whether they want to work” after graduating.
2. The reason they still had a house and food isn’t necessarily, or even mainly, the welfare state. It’s mom and dad, supporting on the average fewer kids than in the past. The upper middle class is easily able to support kids into their 30’s, and they die with lots of equity that gets inherited.
3. The obvious and probably largest effect: we’re still moving away from the old norm of most men working at an outside job and women often working at home. Some large fraction of those 7 million men have been replaced – sometimes voluntarily – by women.
4. Yeah, maybe some immigration. Outside workers who provide a better return on investment, at least from an employer’s point of view, are replacing the less motivated and higher maintenance native born. Whether this is good depends on your view of employment. The progressive left and nativist right view employment as American society’s way of distributing benefits and incentivizing work, and therefore government needs to make sure that happens in a way they like. Some of think it’s just trading money for work rather than a social engineering tool.
The upper middle class is easily able to support kids into their 30’s, and they die with lots of equity that gets inherited.
Does that really happen? I’ve seen many multi-million dollar estates be completely eaten up by end of life care and I’ve never met a person who inherited anything at all. Everything got sucked away by doctors and other caregivers in that last year or two.
Welcome to Obumercare and every Gov-Gun THEFT ‘plan’ before it.
Once upon a time doctors came to your door for the price of a pizza.
But the 'armed-theft' Gov-Guns had to make it more ?affordable?, and more ?affordable? and more ?affordable? until the grift literally ate the whole nation of it's wealth.
Previous generations were brought up on the (somewhat fake) idea that you have to go to work or else you won’t have a house or food.
It is quite amazing how accustomed we have become to the notion that housing must remain an ever-increasing nut. The rentier mindset is embedded in us even as homeowners.
We used to celebrate the day the mortgage was paid off and housing would become an almost insignificant expense going forward. Now the incentives are to convert equity into debt plus a bit of cash – long past retirement.
We used to view housing as – well – housing. Now it is the primary – often only – source of wealth. Which means we get apoplectic at any notion that housing prices can go down or even stay the same. And we completely distort investment into real estate rather than anything productive.
I do agree that covid had a huge impact on people's perception of 'crappy jobs'. There are a ton of crappy jobs with crappy bosses and crappy companies out there. For way too long, people just failed to see what else mattered. The biggest impact of covid for many was the realization that they just didn't need to take that shit any more.
No, we’re not talking about immigrants being the problem. We’re talking about illegals being the problem, and they are.
Get rid of the illegals. Case closed.
Yes, during COVID fascism, with one-third of the economy shut down or severely impaired, many people found alternative ways to get by other than having a job, and many of them realized they liked it that way and never went back to employment or running their businesses. We'll see how sustainable that is.
Let's try enforcing immigration law and see what happens.
Pure bullshit! They have been trying to enforce immigration law for a very long time and the rest of us have seen what happens. Obviously you're too dim-witted to get it. The immigration law is the problem, not the enforcement.
Pure bullshit! There is no serious effort being made to enforce immigration laws.
Pure bullshit! "They" have not been trying at all to enforce immigration law for at least 3 of the past 4 administrations.
The immigration law is not the problem, it's people like you who refuse to allow it to be enforced.
"You absolutely could re-engage folks into the American labor market"
He's entitled to his opinion, of course. His opinion is totally baseless and self-serving, of course. Here's just one of the problems with people who argue against employers trying to hire workers at the lowest possible wage: if the employers raised the wage high enough to re-engage American men, the cost of the product would have to rise accordingly and, of course, the prices of everything would rise proportionately, reducing demand for the product and, of course, the number of jobs needed to re-engage men into the workforce. I suppose that's a little too subtle for intellects at the level of J.D. Vance's, though.
Could always offset by cutting back on the regulatory state. Thereby lowering overhead.
And lowering taxes. And reforming the civil "justice" system so businesses don't have to go to great expense and inconvenience to cover their asses against lawsuits.
No blame at all for federal busybodies increasing, attempting to increase, or bullying states into increasing minimum wage, with no thought at all for whether that’s a wage that the job market can sustain?
Remember, the real minimum wage is $0.
But where are those 7 million men? And why aren't they already filling some of the 8 million available jobs in the country?
Collecting welfare, disability, unemployment, ignoring their student loans waiting for government discharge, not paying income tax - basically getting paid more than minimum wage to sit around and do nothing. Probably getting high and playing call of duty.
The subtext to Vance's argument isn't just that we need to deport the illegals who will work under the table - it's that we have to get rid of the destructive, ruinous, artificial overhead that encourages producers to use criminal labor; and to get the American slouches off the dole and return them to a "you own it if you earn it" mentality.
You choose to belong to a church that elected a Hitler youth member who protected sex predators.
Get out of my country you Romish, pedo enabling rube!
At the very least, learn to keep your mouth shut.
Real Americans like me are god damn sick of you traitors. I would hide if I was you.
Hey guys - hey, everyone - I just found one of those seven million men.
Well, I mean, I use the term "men" loosely.
Anyway, KAR, why don't you have a job?
Anyway, AT, why do you choose to belong to an organization that elected a Hitler Youth member as their leader, who protected sex predators?
Because I believe in a power higher than a man on Earth who you've taken zero effort to learn anything whatsoever about but your bigoted narrative. (For pete's sake, a casual glance at his wiki page would dispel your nonsense. But you choose the nonsense in furtherance of your bigotry, don't you. Don't you dare deny it, you deceitful little coward. I'm not wrong, and we both know it - as does anyone who would do a simple google search on the subject.)
Now, answer my question. Why don't you have a job? And since you owe me for so many other unanswered questions, tell me why you support LGBT pedo. Why do you want the rape of children in the name of tolerance? Why do you want groomers in schools? Why do you want the fast-drip poison of the LGBT pedos in the arms of children?
I know you don't have an answer. But you refuse to acknowledge WHY you don't have an answer. And it's frankly what makes you an NPC. You are an unthinking, pre-programmed automaton. You have no free will and no independent thought of your own. If you did, you'd be able to answer those questions.
But you don't. Because you can't.
Seriously, KAR, I'm so done batting you around like a ragdoll. Time to own your positions. Do you have the courage for that, or are you the NPC coward I'm 100% convinced you are?
You don't get it dude. You really really don't. You are ringing a bell that can't be un-rung. Get your act together, right now. I wish you no ill will, KAR - but I am just one person out in cyberspace that is completely powerless to stop what you are asking for, absent my extremely limited ability to change your mind, and get you off this dark, dangerous, self-destructive, and suicidal path that terrible people who replaced your brain for theirs have put you on.
I know you're struggling because of your pride, and your Pride. Get over it. It WILL be the undoing of you.
THINK, Kar. I am literally begging you to do ONE IOTA of your own independent thinking and judgement. For once in your life, can you PLEASE try this for a change?
Rural, religious, white trash conservatives like you AT have held a disproportionate amount of power for too long.
The biggest sex abusers in this country are the religious right. This is obvious to most Americans. You perverts are using the same lies and bigotry that you have always used to deflect from the fact it’s YOU who are harming kids.
Most Americans are fed up with you pedo, Bible humpers.
You CHOOSE to belong to a church that elected a Hitler youth member who personally protected sex abusers.
You can scream your homophobic rants, but most Americans aren’t buying it. They know it is YOU who are harming kids. It is Papists and Mormons fighting tooth and nail against tougher reporting laws and sentencing.
You need to shut the fuck up and accept you are inferior to normal Americans. You Christians in flyover country give us no choice but to treat you like shit. You’re just too evil.
You aren’t going to like how this ends AT. We have you vastly outnumbered and outgunned. And emotions run high when kids are being harmed.
Not only will you find out your god doesn’t exist, but your last moments on earth will be excruciatingly painful.
The biggest sex abusers in this country are the religious right.
Most LGBT folks are neither religious nor on the social/political right. So, what the heck are you talking about.
You can scream your homophobic rants, but most Americans aren’t buying it. They know it is YOU who are harming kids.
Spare me the projection. It's the only arrow in your quiver.
The groomers in the classrooms, the authors writing teenage gay pornography, the drag queens twerking for dollar bills from toddlers, the furries (and now the therians), the parents pimping out their "non-binary kid" for virtue signal cred, the child pornographers and traffickers? These homosexuals with their surrogate children, cruelly robbing them of a mother and then getting caught molesting and pimping them out. These men proudly cosplaying women and trying to keep secret a hard drive full of kiddie porn. They're not Catholic priests, Kar.
And you know it. It's the LGBT Pedo. The goal of homosexual is and always has been pedophile. And you know what? Nobody's afraid of them because 9.99 times out of 10 they're limp-wristed sissies who fall into sobbing hysterics when they get mildly offended.
So, spare me your blustering and false bravado. Smallest dogs always bark the loudest.
And keep in mind, that from our very first exchange I've tried only to help you. Whereas you've gone well out of your way to just spew hatred, ignorance, and bigotry.
Best of luck to you Kar. Go bark in the corner.
You have been warned.
Good boy. Now stay there in your corner and don't come back out.
WE ARE COMING FOR YOU PEDO!!!
Real Americans like me are sick and tired of you harming our kids!
You signed your own death warrant by belonging to a church that elects pedo enablers as their leader.
BE AFRAID YOU FUCKING PAPIST
Real American? At best you're a Communist ladyboy. Go choke yourself while tonguing fatass jeffy's poopchute.
Keep talking traitor.
The majority of Americans are sick of you white trash Trump traitors.
The majority of Americans are sick of you white trash Trump traitors.
lmao. There's not a single thing you got correct in that sentence.
Wow. It’s amazing how out of it you are. Please shut the fuck up. As a pacifist I’m begging you.
I’ll get some crayons and explain in a way you can understand:
“The majority of Americans” – are not LGBT pedo. They’re about 3.5%, with about another 3% that identify (thanks to affirmation) but will grow out of the phase by early adulthood. And while many may be enablers of the rainbow cult, if pressed, most of them will admit they aren’t on board with the LGBT’s grooming and transing and certainly not their pedophilia. EVEN YOU YOURSELF DID THIS LOL.
“are sick of you” – but yet somehow share so much commonality across demographics. The black community largely agrees with me. The hispanic community even moreso. Asians and Arabs, yep. Whites, about 2 out of 3. Men do, certainly more than women. Pretty much everyone over the age of 50, most over the age of 40, and roughly half over the age of 30. Christians – especially Catholics – agree. Muslims agree to a homicidal degree. I’m not actually sure where the Jews are on it, but I’ll bet the Orthodox aren’t sick of me. Maybe the atheists are, but they’re not as numerous as they’d like to think they are. You may find this surprising, Kar – but across all of history and culture, pedophiles have been reviled and considered the worst of all criminals, so when it comes to being anti-LGBT pedo, it’s not me they’re sick of.
white trash – did you just assume my race? How do you know I don’t self-identify? That’s a thing with you people, right? A thing you support and defend, right?
Trump – I have never voted for Trump.
traitors – I have never committed treason.
Literally. EVERY WORD you said was factually incorrect. Par for the course for you pal.
WE.
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ENABLING.
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HEAD.
OFF.
As a pacifist?
They nuked my comment on the who are they voting for thread, so testing if I still show up
In the comment that got removed I called Liz a papist cunt. I’m gonna test to see if that was why.
-1/10. Go ahead and end yourself.
15 years of solid, uninterrupted employment - I'm a white, Sigma, straight male in California, also Gen X, married, etc... I've been told flat-out, sorry we are a "DEI" organization. I'm not saying this is why ALL OF "US" are being underemployed, but it's clearly why I am unemployed - going on 10 months.
It proves that stealing from some to give to others creates division and even violence (French Revolution).
If you are older than 50 and white collar, it can be difficult to get a job after you lose one. So many white-collar jobs posted are fake jobs. Age discrimination is rampant. I've never been unemployed or underemployed but if I lost my job now, I think it would take a long time to get a new one. Unless, I was willing to take a part-time retail job with few benefits.
There aren't as many jobs as advertised.
It's true that there are a lot of people on disability. Working age men and women who stand on their feet all day get back problems etc, especially if they are overweight and generally unhealthy. They don't have the education to get a desk job so go on disability.
"It proves that stealing from some to give to others creates division and even violence (French Revolution)."
You are clearly lacking the Marxist Leninist perspective. The divisions and violence have always been there. The answer is class solidarity, something that terrifies our oligarchs who are keen to divide and conquer with their relentless fear mongering.
Record them telling you that, as getting them on record is basically an insta-win button in a discrimination lawsuit.
JD Vance is wrong about everything JD Vance is wrong about.
Indeed, Eberstadt's work shows that the decline in work force participation of American men has been steady and ongoing since the 1960s. It has continued steadily during periods when immigration has been high, and when it has been low.
Since the '60s, immigration has ranged from "high" to "higher."
"undocumented immigration"
lol if you get mugged in an alley, these guys would call it an "undocumented cash transfer" ...
As John Stossel wrote recently, 'incentives matter.' If America's employer class wanted to hire Americans. they would simply increase the incentives they offer, and idle American workers would respond. As it stands, employers seem quite happy with non Americans who are willing to settle for smaller incentives.
I mean, if you look at alabor force participation numbers (US Bureau of Labor Statistics), just looking at the age cross-tab gives most of the story: from age 25 on up, labor force participation is basically the same, if not up, compared to two decades ago. Men are a little down, women are a little up, but neither is dramatic.
The dramatic change is the <25 numbers.
Which is to say... even if you want to argue that the problem is immigrants taking American's jobs, what the numbers tell us is that Americans just go back to/finish school and get better jobs a few years later. Otherwise the numbers wouldn't recover.
And men being down ~2 percent from 25-45? Uh, yeah, that's probably men who are opting to do the unpaid labor that women have traditionally been doing, as women have increased their participation even more.
I mean, unpaid labor shit doesn't stop needing to be done just because women go to work. Someone has to do it. So men taking one step back to do that work while women take two steps forward? I'm not sure that's a net loss.
All of which is to say, I can't say I'm persuaded by the numbers that there's a problem.
And that's before we even get to the idea that if Vance kicked all the Mexicans out that American men would suddenly flock to those jobs.
The last sentence could give rise an article on its own. SSDI is a roach motel; once you receive benefits (often an arduous process), you are presumed to be incapable of any paid work whatsoever for the rest of your life. If you take a part time job of any sort, your SSDI payments are stopped irrevocably.