J.D. Vance Accuses Ohio's Haitians of 'Massively Violating' Zoning Laws
Instead of focusing on the ways a rollback of zoning laws could lower housing costs for everyone, Vance wants to zealously enforce zoning codes to keep Haitians out of town.

Sen. J.D. Vance (R–Ohio) took another swing at the Haitian residents of Springfield, Ohio, over the weekend. The Republican vice presidential nominee accused them of "massively violating" the city's zoning laws by living multiple families to a home.
Springfield's Haitian immigrant community has been the subject of a lot of attacks recently, including the salacious rumor that they've been stealing and eating local pets. Former President Donald Trump and other right-wing commenters endorsed this story, which appears to be an urban legend. Vance did as well, arguing that it helped to highlight the problems immigrants "flooding" communities.
In an interview posted Saturday, New York Times reporter Lulu Garcia-Navarro pressed Vance on this point, asking this was a worthy trade-off given the turmoil those rumors have caused for Springfield's Haitian community. The town has received a number of bomb threats, and some Haitian parents have kept their kids out of school.
Vance responded by saying American leaders have ignored all the ways that Haitian immigrants have made life worse for American citizens in Springfield—specifically citing the rising cost of housing.
"Have we talked about the fact that many of them have been evicted from their homes, and then Haitian migrants are moved in, four families to a home, massively violating zoning laws?" he said. "They are paying way more for rent than an American citizen in Springfield can pay. So the American citizens have been evicted from their homes. They are finding housing unaffordable."
In the Times' printed interview transcript, the paper says it asked Vance for evidence of these zoning violations but hasn't been provided any.
While the cat-hunting always seemed implausible, it's more conceivable that some Haitian immigrants are violating Springfield's zoning laws.
The city's zoning code, like most zoning codes, groups much of the town's residential land into single-family zoning districts. The town's zoning code also defines what counts as a single family. In Springfield, that's either an individual or a married couple, their children, and up to two relatives, or a maximum of five unrelated individuals.
So to the degree that Haitian families are splitting homes between themselves (a not-unusual practice for low-income, newly arrived immigrants), they would be violating the town's zoning code.
An early purpose of zoning codes was to exclude immigrant populations from settled communities, as Jim Burling, the vice president of legal affairs at the Pacific Legal Foundation, recounts in his new book Nowhere to Live.
The famous/infamous 1926 U.S. Supreme Court decision that upheld single-family-only zoning originated out of Euclid, Ohio, where the local government reserved much of the town's land for single-family homes as a way of keeping out new industry and the "immigrant hordes" it would attract.
Zoning codes that banned apartments, rooming houses, and other types of affordable housing did a lot of work to exclude lower-income immigrants (and lower-income people generally).
The poor could still get around these restrictions by dividing single-family homes among themselves. Municipal governments cracked down on this behavior by including definitions of families in their zoning codes, so that single-family structures would be reserved for single families.
The U.S. Supreme Court upheld occupancy limits with the 1974 case Village of Belle Terre v. Boraas.
A lack of data makes it difficult to evaluate Vance's claim that immigrants are causing local residents to be evicted and to see affordable housing options disappear.
We don't have good data on evictions in Springfield, Ohio. Princeton University's Eviction Lab, the most comprehensive national database on evictions, models the surrounding county's eviction rate only through 2018.
The local Springfield News-Sun reported in a recent investigation that local social service organizations had received reports of Haitian families being in overcrowded, substandard conditions. The city government is also investigating these claims. However, the paper didn't substantiate these claims.
That said, it would be expected that an influx of Haitian immigrants into Springfield would raise rents and housing prices—at least in the short term. All else being equal, higher demand means higher prices.
But that would be true of any form of population or economic growth, two things that Vance has expressed he'd like to see more of.
If Vance's dream of an all-American toaster factory opened in Springfield, Ohio, increasing wages and attracting new employees to town, that would increase housing demand and prices too. If Springfield's native residents started having more children, that would also put upward pressure on home prices over time.
That doesn't mean home prices would stay up. In free markets, high prices induce new supply.
America's perpetually rising housing costs aren't an inevitable result of rising demand from immigrants or anyone else. They're a product of zoning regulations that limit where new homes can be built, of tariffs that drive up the costs of imported building materials, and of countless other regulations.
Liberalizing zoning codes (or abolishing them completely) would make supply more elastic, cooling the upward cost pressures that come with economic and population growth.
Vance said in his Times interview that he would like to see more homes get built. But he also kept returning to his main claim that immigrants' demand for new housing is fundamentally illegitimate. For Vance, Haitians' presence in Springfield is unacceptable and so too is their demand for housing. The fact that their demand for housing need not come at the expense of American citizens is beside the point for him.
So instead of focusing on the ways a repeal of zoning laws might lower housing costs for everyone, Vance is instead focused on zealously enforcing zoning codes to keep Haitians out of town in the first place.
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JD Vance is Wrong!
He’s back, baby!
JD VANCE IS WRONG!!!!
How can one man be so wrong?! About everyfuckingthing ever?!
Are you talking about Tim Walz?
You misspelled "Harris."
Chase is gay.
And homosexual.
Yes! Ignore 20 illegals living in an apartment and working for sub standard cash wages paying no taxes driving Americans out of jobs. Great strategy for a country.
Vance wants to zealously enforce zoning codes to keep Haitians out of town.
Nobody is above the law!
Right?
Well, yeah, except for democrats, rioters other than J6, the oppressed races, the oppressed genders, illegal border crossers, and BLM members.
Don’t forget illegal cross dressers.
And rapefugees.
Cross dressing rapefugees.
And the cute little Venezuelans who like to manage apartments.
You know, the ones with the face and neck tattoos.
The goal of Progressives from their beginnings in the late 19th century was to use the administrative state to insulate elected officials the responsibility of rulemaking rules by handing that off to executive bureaucracies while weaponize those rules against political enemies.
Sound familiar, Vance?
It’s definitely familiar to you, Drunky Brewster.
Self-awareness isn’t a Sarcasmic superpower, and Trump deserved it for reasons.
The goals of the progressives since the beginning of the 19th century was to launch a socialist slave state with progressive slavers in power and redistribute the wealth of other people into their, and their cronies, pockets, and since FDR's reign of error, it's working out quite well for them.
No. They believe that rules should be made by unaccountable experts instead of accountable representatives. They imagine these experts to be independent, indifferent, and above partisan politicians. They believe that life is too complex for elected representatives to keep up, so an army of bureaucrats should make all the laws.
Socialism is a separate but related issue, and there is definitely overlap. But it was not one of their original goals.
They mainly wanted to make rulemakers unaccountable.
Did you get this from a HS history book?
No. Are you going to discuss the subject like an intelligent conversationalist, or go on the attack like a retarded guard dog?
Intelligent conversationalists post comments like the following:
"Whoof Whoof Whoof. Go chase cars on the highway."
I think sarc is actually 100% correct. They want the rules enforced by somebody utterly unaccountable to a single person.
That's what they call "progress". Progress from what? From people making their own rules. They want rule by the elites, who they imagine are different types of beings. Which is really regress, not progress. It takes the Enlightenment and turns it on its head.
BTW Jesse will never ever ever ever say I'm correct about anything, as a matter of principle. I could say water is wet and he'd attack me for claiming ice and steam are wet. Doesn't matter what it is. He's bad faith, all the time.
Your brain is wet.
The Progressives have enslaved blacks for over a hundred years. The situation worsened when LBJ(Lying Bastard Johnson) enacted his "Great Society". yeah, right. A real great society.
The Progressives react with rage when one of their ni**ers leaves the reservation.
Eric Adams is a good example of what happens when one of their ni**ers leaves the res.
The purpose of zoning was always to keep blacks out of everything except redlining areas. Nothing has changed
Doesn’t seem to be working very well. They’re kind of all over the place.
I notice a complete lack or investigation into the claims here. Denying problems doesn't mean they don't exist.
Here is a question. Are the Haitians being subsidized by the government? If they are getting housing, food, and other forms of entitlement then that is artifically driving up housing costs for natives. Allowing 4 families to live in a single family home causes a bunch of problems for the community, including a competitive disparity for that housing.
I have a feeling Britchgi doesn't live in a place where there are a lot of big illegal immigrant families. I also think he doesn't care about how that changes those communities and limits their freedoms because it isn't in his back yard.
400 Haitians in 2022, and another 19,000 in 23-24 had always dreamed of migrating to the middle of Ohio, and it totally wasn’t because the DHS was dumping illegals in swing states.
"I have a feeling Britchgi doesn’t live in a place where there are a lot of big illegal immigrant families. I also think he doesn’t care about how that changes those communities and limits their freedoms because it isn’t in his back yard."
If you dumped 20,000 Haitians in Georgetown or Great Falls the Reasonistas might develop evolving opinions.
Local government and local businesses recruited labor to come to the town to fill unmet labor needs.
Haitian migrants showed up in response to this recruitment. They worked at those jobs that Americans wouldn't do, and they told their friends how easy it was to get a job in Springfield and how the cost of living was so much lower than in other areas of the country.
So, more Haitians showed up, attracted by the jobs and the lower cost of living.
The migration happened the same way most migration happens - organically, by word of mouth, by early migrants telling their friends and family members 'back home' that they have landed in a pretty good place and that they should join them too.
'Local government and local businesses recruited labor to come to the town to fill unmet labor needs.'
Bullshit. This was federally created, coordinated, and subsidized. Local bureaucrats are probably getting kickbacks. There is no other way that 20,000 "immigrants", half the population of the town, ended up in the same place.
That’s some awesome marketing!
You mean we allowed uneducated, unskilled foreign nationals to enter the nation illegally to do the jobs we pay uneducated, unskilled Americans not to do.
"400 Haitians in 2022, and another 19,000 in 23-24 had always dreamed of migrating to the middle of Ohio, and it totally wasn’t because the DHS was dumping illegals in swing states."
I'm pretty sure it was the weather that attracted them to Ohio.
"If you dumped 20,000 Haitians in Georgetown or Great Falls the Reasonistas might develop evolving opinions."
Just ask Eric Adams.
Did you notice Vance hasn't done any of that investigation? The shit for brains, oathbreaking liar who is making the allegations? Weird, huh? Instead of giving him shit for not providing any evidence, you're upset at the people pointing out he doesn't have any. Again.
What a worthless, fat lump of inbred shit you are.
Most likely correct.
Those who criticize the citizens of Springfield, themselves probably do not have an illegal alien problem and definitely no Haitians.
Just wait until some of those Haitians make their way into a nice liberal suburb or community and the locals start missing a few things like their cats and dogs.
Springfield's Haitian immigrant community
It's not a community asshat. They didn't move out into the wilderness and rely on each other and their wits to build schools and churches and community centers.
They were gathered by the administration and inserted there where they have to illegally poach local fauna for food and leach off the good will and resources an *actual* community built.
Flown into Springfield under cover of darkness so no one would notice.
James O'Keefe caught just such an event.
Traitor Mayorkass.
Obviously the Feds dumping 20,000 people into a town of 58,000 is going to have severe consequences for the people who already lived there, including housing. But of course those 58,000 people are Americans, so nobody cares about them.
the Feds did not dump anyone in Springfield
Haitians migrated to Springfield because the local city leaders, along with local industry, recruited workers to come there to fill unmet labor needs.
Why are "local city leaders" involved in hiring decisions?
Good question! They shouldn't be, but it is pretty common now, for local industry to suck up to the city council and to get them to spend tax money to recruit labor to the area, and to call it 'economic development'.
woosh
Because incentivizing bad economic policy to enrich yourself and screwing your constituents doesn't count. Get bent.
And this Springfield businessman was flying down to Haiti to do recruitment, paying for the relocation and housing costs all on his own with not a single taxpayer dime going into this drive? Even you can't be this willfully stupid so it has to be intentional malice.
Well of course they had government help. Local government help. It was not some plot by Biden to "replace" the citizens of Springfield with Haitians. It was economic development efforts by both the city and by private employers in Springfield.
And twitter and facebook never heard anything from the feds about censoring people.
You’re such a tiresome (and fat) liar,
The businesses probably asked.
The same reason "local leaders" lobby businesses to move to their locations.
Yeah, it’s not as if there is a history of the feds “suggesting” things.
>>That said, it would be expected that an influx of Haitian immigrants into Springfield would raise rents and housing prices—at least in the short term.
one man's "influx" is another's stadium-full of underinsured motorists dumped onto a small town.
-It's not happening.
-It's happening, but it's not as bad as you say.
-It's happening and it's as bad as you say, but once the market stabilizes with all the people who were artificially crammed into it, it will be a good thing.
Two weeks to stabilize the rent!
Zoning ordinances are local. Not county, not state, and certainly not federal. That a Vice Presidential candidate wants to crack down on people violated zoning ordinances is fucking ridiculous. Did this shitbutt flunk junior high civics or something.
If there is a zoning violation, the city can take care of it. As they always have. Oh noes, some Haitian converted their garage into a mom-in-law room! Must call in the Federal Government! Sorry, no. The city can handle it. Period.
Also, the Republican Party seems hellbent on being permanently branded the Racist Party. Are they fucking tone deaf of something? Do they even hear what they are saying?
Also, the Republican Party seems hellbent on being permanently branded the Racist Party. Are they fucking tone deaf of something? Do they even hear what they are saying?
Speaking of tone deaf, gramps, if you switched off CNN for a minute you might notice how Blacks and Latinos are abandoning the Democrats in droves for Trump right now. Because it isn’t rich, white, upper-class bien pensants who are having their infrastructure, housing and healthcare access destroyed when the DHS dumps 20,000 illegals in a town of 40,000.
Actually, you can actually see that on CNN.
Brandy, loke most leftist racists, has a sad savior complex. He thinks they all believe the same thing. They are outraged by the same thing. And he is there to take care of them.
See also psarc and Jeff.
We've been hearing this "Blext" bullshit for well over a decade. It never shows up on voting day.
Perhaps you should spend less time with your head shoved up the ass of white nationalist propaganda and try sniffing the air of reality.
Your white guilt will be buried in November.
“Also, the Republican Party seems hellbent on being permanently branded the Racist Party.”
Being branded by the party whose solution to most things is to call it racist? Ok.
So your response to someone calling out Vance's xenophobia is to accuse those pointing it at as being Democrats? Really?
Democrats are just communists now.
Also, the Republican Party seems hellbent on being permanently branded the Racist Party.
This is wonderful on the same day Reason whines that the immigration debate has become "toxic" without mentioning the open borders people refer to everyone they disagree with as racist.
Left wingers are clueless.
Changing the zoning laws will have zero effect if building codes and construction regulations stay the same. The increasing regulatory and energy costs of new buildings make lower prices impossible.
Vance and Trump are economic idiots but they can only pass their idiotic ideas if the only opposition is Democrat insanity! Cheaper housing with $25k subsidies? Lower construction costs with higher corporate taxes? Lower land costs by refusing to sell off government land? Eliminating Right to Work laws so that construction labor unions can extort more money from builders?
Context is important and perhaps the Reason writers can spend a little more time on the potentially disastrous effects of Democrat housing and regulation policies.
" perhaps the Reason writers can spend a little more time on the potentially disastrous effects of Democrat housing and regulation policies."
They could but the larger issue is that JD Vance is wrong. That's the only thing libertarians should be focusing on. And tariffs. And food trucks.
So Mexicans and asssex are chopped liver now?
Once the cartels are done with them? Kinda.
And drugs, don't forget drugs. Forget about killing the filibuster and packing the Supreme Court. As long as you have drugs, who cares?
I know, right?
So, a bunch of new migrants come to Springfield, and there are inevitably some problems that occur regardless of who those migrants are - housing will become more scarce and infrastructure will become more taxed.
So in trying to deal with these problems, why is the predictable response around here, "kick out the migrants", instead of "let's make housing and infrastructure easier to build"?
"and there are inevitably some problems that occur regardless of who those migrants are"
20k into a town of 40k, so ya think?
Funny how these numbers continue to skew the more they are repeated.
The actual numbers are closer to 15,000 Haitians arriving, over the course of several years, into a town of about 60,000 residents.
So why is the solution here to "kick out the migrants", instead of "let's make it easier to build housing for all the new arrivals"?
Unsustainable.
Which is pretty amazing, considering that someone on Twatter says there’s only 5000 Haitians in the entire state based upon census data, school enrolment data, death rate data and recorded birth data.
https://x.com/ellim992/status/1834808909452001532?s=19
Did you note the date of the most recent data buddy?
An intelligent conversationalist might have said something about the dates on the data, while you attack person you are arguing with.
The actual numbers are closer to 15,000 Haitians arriving
How many pizza parlors will this require?
Good grief. What a new low. I'm as anti-zoning as the most zealous anti-zoner, but this article is just plain dumb. Is your next article going to be on why JD Vance is wrong about arguing over the filibuster when instead he should be arguing for anarcho-capitalism? He should be arguing for flying car traffic reform instead of tariffs on Chinese EVs?
I don't know if the Haitians are "massively violating' zoning laws in Ohio, but I do know they are there illegally and need to be sent back to Haiti...or at least to Martha's Vineyard, Malibu, Beverly Hills or bare minimum, Chicago.
Question for Christian Britschgi. What percentage of immigrants should be able flood into a community without the current residents pushing back? Is there a reasonable amount of influx that current residents should be expected to endure before they start to feel threatened.
Before you go off the deep end, don't even to pretend that this has anything to do with race. It has everything to do with the lack of assimilation or absorption into the existing culture. There is a threshold where there is simply too much immigration and the immigration becomes threatening.
Springfield Ohio is an example of too much immigration too fast. There should have been a pause in the immigration to Springfield Ohio long ago before it because a problem. The problem is not good for the longtime residents, nor good for the new residents. With the percentage the immigration into Springfield Ohio is approaching the levels of an invasion and I'm pretty sure that some people there feel invaded.
The problem with so many immigrants so fast and from one part of the world there is a tendency to not assimilate into the existing culture. Not replace your culture, but grow into the existing culture and give the existing culture time to get comfortable with your customs. It really is a two way street, but remember that the immigrants are newcomers into the community and while elements of their will remain, the existing culture which happens to be a blending of all the previous immigrants cultures.
The new immigrants should not be establishing an enclave of their previous country inside their new country. The onus is on the new immigrants to adapt to the existing culture. Everyone should be neighborly, but isolating into a clans is not helpful.
This includes both sides, but a guest in my house need to respect the rules that I have set as they are guests. Likewise the Haitian immigrants are guests and need to respect the existing culture.
What percentage of immigrants should be able flood into a community without the current residents pushing back?
What precisely do you mean by "pushing back"?
Telling them to go back where they came from?
What the fuck else do you think constitutes pushback.
Sure, they can "tell" the migrants whatever they wish. Use of government coercion to force them to leave, that is a different story.
That depends on legal status, of course.
The Haitians are there legally. Legally. L-E-G-A-L-L-Y.
Post hoc "legalization" is not legal, it's an Executive and his party abdicating their responsibilities.
Post hoc “legalization” is not legal
Umm, yeah it is. Go ahead and argue that it *shouldn't* be legal if you wish. But it is. Stop trying to pretend the law doesn't say what it actually says.
Their status can be stripped at any time.
Repeat after me:
"The Haitians are here legally."
Can you do it?
Temporary.
Their status can be stripped at any time.
Apparently we should have laws against absolutely everything but only enforce them against American citizens.
Makes sense!
Springfield's Haitian immigrant community has been the subject of a lot of attacks recently, including the salacious rumor that they've been stealing and eating local pets.
Well, see, the problem is that "Springfield's Haitian immigrant community" is a thing that exists in Springfield. Where it absolutely should not.
An early purpose of zoning codes was to exclude immigrant populations from settled communities
Do you know why?
(If your answer start with "R" and ends with "acism," then you're wrong.)
We don't have good data on evictions in Springfield, Ohio.
Then you probably shouldn't report on them.
If Springfield's native residents started having more children, that would also put upward pressure on home prices over time.
You keep telling them to abort or castrate them! You keep telling them that babies - which aren't even human babies - are killing Mother Gaia by warming the global because they eat hamburgers! Hamburgers made of cows, the mortal enemy of Mother Gaia because they do destructive things like eating and pooping! The carbon footprint, Christian! ThE CaRbOn FoOtPrInT!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
But he also kept returning to his main claim that immigrants' demand for new housing is fundamentally illegitimate. For Vance, Haitians' presence in Springfield is unacceptable and so too is their demand for housing.
And he's right. We don't owe the Haitians anything. We never did. Especially when they thank us by eating our housepets. Importing them served no legitimate legal, social, commercial/economic, or humanitarian purpose. It should have NEVER happened.
They have an island paradise. Which they ruined. Their neighbors didn't, but somehow Haiti did. All we're doing is importing the ruin. And for what.
Nothing. America gains nothing from this.
The Haitian neighbors (the Dominican Republic) built a wall to keep out Haitians. I guess the Klan didn't disappear, they moved to the Dominican Republic!
The Haitians are a lot like the Palestinians. None of their neighbors want them because they’re fuckups. The Dominicans are mounting an effort to deport 10k per day.
Well, see, the problem is that “Springfield’s Haitian immigrant community” is a thing that exists in Springfield. Where it absolutely should not.
Why not? What's wrong with Haitian immigrants living in Springfield, Ohio?
Well they’re eating the housepets, for one.
But more importantly, it has to do with forcibly displacing one culture with another, especially when the latter is incongruous and has no understanding whatsoever of how to live in said established culture.
It’s Columbus Day, so let’s use that for an example. Suppose we imported a bunch of primitive tribal Aztecs or Mayans or Incans into Spain (or France, or Italy). And the first thing they do when they get there – after they stop staring in bewilderment at such technological marvels such as the wheel – is start grabbing young children and ripping their hearts out in sacrifice to their false gods. Shouldn’t that be curbed? Even if it’s their DiVeRsE cUlTuRe, shouldn’t we put a stop to it?
Because that’s all they know. That’s their doofus backwards culture imposed upon another better culture, who has long since moved past child sacrifice (unless they have a local Planned Parenthood there, of course) and declared, “We don’t do that sort of thing here. And if you’re going to stay here, then neither will you.”
Why would any town want such a thing? I suppose if there was a genuine interest to evolve them into modern society, that’s one thing – but that’s not what the State did. They just dumped them there. To replace – Great Replace, perhaps – the people of Springfield.
It's the question you refused to answer, Jeff: why import the ruin?
Cool story bro.
Now let's consider something closer to what's actually happening. Still offensive, but perhaps your neanderthal brain will be able to comprehend it.
Suppose it is the 19th century, and a bunch of backwards primitive tribal savages SOMEHOW learned how to make a boat and showed up on the shores of Victorian England. But instead of ripping the hearts out of the chests of young children, they instead showed up to work at the factories and sweatshops of London. And when they went back home to their tenement slums, they practiced their strange backwards primitive cultural rites. Still not ripping the hearts out of the chests of anyone, though. But still weird and backwards and weird.
So every day, they show up and go to work on time and don't complain when the slavedriver factory owner makes them work 18 hours a day. And when they go home, they do their super strange and weird backwards primitive tribal savage rites. But they don't hurt anyone. Still strange and savage though. That is what the neighbors say. Especially on Victorian Facebook.
So what do you say - kick them out? If so, why?
But instead of ripping the hearts out of the chests of young children
No. You don’t get to take that out of the equation. That’s a thing that they do. It’s central to their cultural identity, and how about you show some damned respect for their diverse lifestyle.
The question was: "why import the ruin?" You deliberately took that ruin out of the equation. Because you know you can't answer the question without doing so.
That’s a thing that they do.
Please provide even a scintilla of evidence that Haitians in Springfield are “ripping the hearts out of the chests of young children”. Not even Trump and Vance are claiming that.
It’s central to their cultural identity
So, everyone: do you want to know why some of us call your opposition to immigration “racist”? It’s offensive bigoted comments like these. Maybe you should spend about 1/100th of your time bitching about those damned illegals, to tell AT to shove his racist crap up his ass. Do you think you could do that?
The question was: “why import the ruin?”
Unlike you, I'm not a bigoted asshole and I don't assume that Haitians are automatically "ruinous". Instead, I consider Haitians to be people, just like you and me. And, just like you and me and people everywhere, some are good people and some are bad people. But they are just people, who deserve to be treated as individuals, and not as cultural examples representing the worst Haitian that ever lived.
Please provide even a scintilla of evidence that Haitians in Springfield are “ripping the hearts out of the chests of young children”.
Now you’re conflating.
You’re mixing the example of the tribal practices of yesteryear with those of the tribal practices of the Haitians, acting like one is the same as the other, and denying the actions of yesteryear as the same actions of those today. It’s a nice attempt at an escape – but it’s a dodge all the same.
If Victorian Europeans (analogous to modern Americans) imported people who engage in literal child sacrifice (analogous to other primitive cultural backwards beliefs/actions), would it be wrong for those Europeans to say, “STOP DOING THAT OR GET OUT.”
You intentionally dodged the question: why. import. the. ruin?
So, everyone: do you want to know why some of us call your opposition to immigration “racist”?
No.
Unlike you, I’m not a bigoted asshole and I don’t assume that Haitians are automatically “ruinous”.
Except you have a plethora of information that shows how they’re precisely that. Especially, and not limited to, the countless testimonies of Springfield residents who have been forcibly displaced by these backwards cat-eaters.
Instead, I consider Haitians to be people
I never said they weren’t. Whether they’re people is irrelevant to the consideration. The relevant issue is how a backwards pet-eating culture who ruined their own country with their dumb destructive culture can possibly hope to assimilate into a functional society when they’re doing so using replacement numbers in population.
We could go ask them, but they’re busy plowing the cars they don’t know how to drive into literally anything they can plow them into. Including people.
But they are just people, who deserve to be treated as individuals, and not as cultural examples representing the worst Haitian that ever lived.
Except that, turns out, they are cultural examples representing the worst Haitians that have ever lived.
And we imported them.
For NO discernable reason.
What possible positive came from that, Jeff? What did America gain from this action?
No, you don't consider Haitians to be people. You consider them to be caricatures of backwards savages, not real people.
Of course they're people! I have never suggested anything to the contrary. You want to try to pin that on me in order to avoid the word that starts with "R" and ends with "acist" - but know you can't because I've not said a single thing to that effect.
Haitians are people. Let's make that very clear. I agree with you 100%. Now, concede the following if you are to have any integrity on the subject: they are also a very backwards people with a very dumb culture with a very stupid way of life whose idiotic beliefs led their own society to ruin.
Which we then imported, because DiVeRsItY iS oUr StReNgTh or some nonsense, into an American city with replacement population numbers.
Why? WHY do that? Answer that question, you race-baiting pimp.
No, you don't recognize Haitians as actual people. You've collectivized them into this caricature. Actual people are not all the same. They are fundamentally no different than you and me. Once you can acknowledge this then maybe we can have a conversation.
I already recognized them as people. Couldn't have been any clearer. They are a culture of people whose way of life was so self-destructive that it did in fact destroy their very own society/nation. Who we then picked up and brought to America, and who then predictably brought their failed way of life with them.
What you're doing is trying to find the exception and declare it the rule. Like if there's JUST ONE cultured and morally acceptable Haitian who doesn't eat housepets, then that magically redeems all of them as welcome and beneficial members of American society.
It does not. As evidenced by the other fact you refuse to acknowledge: What did America gain from this action?
I also note that you spew your bigoted crap over and over again, and who else around here is challenging you on your offensive garbage? Virtually nobody. Huh.
Maybe because you're the only pollyanna who's 'offended' by facts and reality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IO5vHwjZ9s
So what do you say – kick them out? If so, why?
They invaded by boats, you fucking retard.
"invaded"
Yeah they totally conquered England, by working in sweatshops.
Meanwhile, the Jan. 6 protestors really were going to overturn the election.
But it was totally cool to shoot them in the face for trespassing on public property.
Why bitch about J6 if you don't believe it?
Just admit that you require diversity in your life to find meaning, and that you hate those that don't.
Appearing soon in the battle box, JD Vance, senator, from THE Ohio State.
This is the dumbest hit piece on vance i've read so far. And that's saying something.
Checking in on local headlines as (the royal) we get closer to the most important election of the 21st hentury.
Trump:
Harris:
Vance:
Waltz:
And last but not least, the current sitting President of the United States of America, the leader of the free world, keeper of the nuclear codes, commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces, J Biden:
By the way, the Aurora Apartment complex kerfuffle continues to get laughably covered by the retard media. "It's not all the apartment complexes that were taken over by Venezuelan gangs... just a handful of apartment complexes."
Rest easy, kids, only a "handful" of apartment complexes were overrun by Venezuelan gangs.
I expect soon we'll see lawyerly definitions of "Venezuelan" "Apartment" and "Complex".
Remember, they're not invaders unless they're in uniform and carrying GI rifles.
They all have sparks of divinity. Nancy said so.
If they're not in the uniform of a foreign country and carrying military weapons, it's not a "home invasion"; it's a "home visitation".
Native residents follow zoning laws.
Migrants violate zoning laws.
Restrictive zoning laws are bad.
Therefore, migrants are justified to break laws?
Oh, yea, I see the logic.
"Zoning laws are rayciss! ",leftists.
If Springfield’s native residents started having more children, that would also put upward pressure on home prices over time.
And yet, according to this magazine, if fewer Springfield "native" residents had children, we can fix that problem with more immigration.
Did anyone else watch the Potemkin Village presentation about Haitians in Springfield on CNN Sunday night? They made Haitian families look like Ozzie and Harriet.
The problem with Haitians is they come from Haiti, a country that does not even approach third world status. In fact, they are so far below third world status that importing some people from the third world would be an improvement.
As such, until they were killed and eaten.
There should be a zoning law against killing and eating the family pet.
Just wait until the Haitian leader, Bar B Que moves into Springfield, Ohio. Should be good for a few laughs.
The argument that immigration makes the rent go up is functionally identical to the argument that having children increases carbon emissions. It's a fundamentally anti-human argument that basically boils down to thinking that human beings shouldn't be around because they are too much trouble.
Look up "salacious", Britschgi. Either you meant "scurrilous", or you're confessing to some really weird kinks.