Florida Threatens Local TV Station With Prosecution Over 'Dangerous' Pro-Choice Ad
The Florida Department of Health sent a cease and desist order to a Florida news station after it aired an ad claiming that women with cancer would be unable to obtain abortions in the state.

The Florida Department of Health has sent a cease and desist order to a local news station, demanding that it stop airing an advertisement in support of a ballot initiative seeking to overturn Florida's six-week abortion ban.
The ad, produced by the advocacy group Floridians Protecting Freedom, depicts a Tampa woman named Caroline discussing how she was diagnosed with terminal Stage 4 brain cancer while 20 weeks pregnant. In order to start treatment to prolong her life, she needed an abortion.
"The doctors knew that if I did not end my pregnancy, I would lose my baby. I would lose my life. And my daughter would lose her mom," she said. "Florida has now banned abortion even in cases like mine. Amendment 4 is going to protect women like me." Amendment 4, which Floridians will vote on in November, would prohibit Florida from banning abortions before viability, which is typically placed around 24 weeks of pregnancy.
However, the department's letter claims that WCJB, a Gainesville-area news station, cannot legally air the ad because its content is "false" and "dangerous," and therefore subject to Florida law banning "sanitary nuisances" that threaten the "health or lives of individuals."
The department argued that because Florida's abortion law allows for abortions to prevent serious risk of "physical impairment of a major bodily function," Caroline would have, in fact, been able to get an abortion under Florida's law. By suggesting that Florida doctors can't perform abortions in cases like Caroline's, the department contends that the ad could lead women to "foreseeably travel out of state to seek emergency medical care, seek emergency medical care from unlicensed providers in Florida, or not seek emergency medical care at all."
While Florida's six-week ban contains a provision allowing abortions when they are "necessary to save the pregnant woman's life or avert a serious risk of substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant woman other than a psychological condition," a doctor included in a response letter sent on behalf of Floridians Protecting Freedom says that she would not have performed Caroline's abortion out of fear of coming under criminal scrutiny. "While the termination was medically necessary because the cancer was terminal, the abortion would not have saved the patient's life and therefore could be illegal under Florida law," the doctor said.
Like in many other states with restrictive abortion laws, how exactly edge cases should be handled by doctors in Florida is a live question. Even if it were clearly true that Caroline would have been able to obtain an abortion under Florida's law, the state can't simply force a broadcaster to take down the ad.
"That speech is squarely protected by the First Amendment, even if, as the state claims, it contains false information. Certain kinds of false speech fall outside the First Amendment's protection, like defamation and fraud. But these are just a few limited, narrowly defined categories of speech," Aaron Terr, director of public advocacy at the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression, a First Amendment group, told Reason.
"The Supreme Court has been clear that the First Amendment doesn't give the government free-floating power to suppress speech merely based on a judgment that is false or misleading. And as this case shows, government officials would have a strong incentive to abuse that power, to censor speech, opposing them or the policies they support," Terr added.
"The Department cannot criminalize media outlets running political advertisements with which it disagrees," reads Floridians Protecting Freedom's response letter. "Speech criticizing the government in the context of a political campaign is the lifeblood of democracy and lies at the very heart of the First Amendment's protections. The Department's letter is a flagrant abuse of power, and it should be rejected out of hand."
As it turns out, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) agrees.
"The right of broadcasters to speak freely is rooted in the First Amendment," FCC Chair Jessica Rosenworcel said in a statement on Tuesday. "Threats against broadcast stations for airing content that conflicts with the government's views are dangerous and undermine the fundamental principle of free speech."
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JD Vance is wrong about clumps of cells
JD Vance and ASSorted cummunists say "Your wombs belong to US, collective womb-slaves! And we do NOT give a SHIT in HELL when, or about, your "clump of cells" is actually-factually a lump of cancer!!!"
Oklahoma now vying with Idaho for most fanatical!
https://news.yahoo.com/woman-cancerous-pregnancy-told-wait-215500885.html
Woman with Cancerous Pregnancy Was Told to Wait in Parking Lot Until She Was 'Crashing'
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/molar-pregnancy/symptoms-causes/syc-20375175
From there, we see that MOLAR PREGNANCIES ARE NEVER VIABLE!!! Yet fascist assholes like sore-in-the-cunt cuntsorevaturds want to endanger women in the Sacred Name of Unique Human DNA, which is present in a womb-slave!
From the listed source…
There are two types of molar pregnancy — complete molar pregnancy and partial molar pregnancy. In a complete molar pregnancy, the placental tissue swells and appears to form fluid-filled cysts. There is no fetus.
In a partial molar pregnancy, the placenta might have both regular and irregular tissue. There may be a fetus, but the fetus can’t survive. The fetus usually is miscarried early in the pregnancy.
Hear me out now:
Ass things “progress” under the rules of the cuntservaturds who will conserve NOTHING other than their own POWER, there will come a day when some slime-sucking greedy bottom-dwelling lawyer (but I repeat myself, and hope NOT to give them too many new ideas!) will figure out that ambulance drivers are “medical providers”. LITERAL ambulance-chasers will then chase ambulances, looking for driving accidents (even causing them?), in hopes that a Sacred Fartilized Egg Smell will be harmed (or just-maybe harmed) in an auto accident! Ka-ching, baby, ka-ching, all the way to the bank!
In no time at all, ambulance owners and drivers (if they value their money and freedom), will be forced to REFUSE service to ALL birth-capable and birthing-aged persons!!! You first heard it from me, and, I will then say, “I told you so”!
The ‘abortion’ conflict should be settled by the 4th and 13th Amendments in which No Women shall be seized for her womb nor required to be enslaved by another. Yet also doesn’t have the right to infringe on another’s.
Or to the point: An actual correct Constitutional SCOTUS ruling that recognizes a persons right to Fetal Ejection and left the ‘attack’ legislation to the State. Without Alito’s “moral standards” (direct quote from the ruling) getting in the way. Justices "moral standards" isn't the JOB of the Supreme Court. Dobbs was the perfect example of Judicial Activism.
Sorry, but you have another issue. More basic than those. The right of life. Your arguments fall flat when murder is involved.
There is also ample precedent that childcare is an exception to the 13th amendment. How else can you explain child support orders? Child abandonment laws?
And are you really trying to say that a woman’s own child is a soldier in the army being forcibly quartered in the womb? Is that really an argument you can make with a straight face?
All the fancy arguments people make are a dance around the only question in this entire debate.
Is it homicide or is it not? That’s the ONLY question.
If it is, then the only exceptions are those that are strictly necessary such as discussed in the article or for doomed fetuses that can never make it to term. In short, we look into laws concerning triage and hospice.
If it is not homicide, then we have more questions about what it is before we can determine what restrictions we should have. However, in general, we are looking at medical regulation, not law.
You have a bigger issue if you think relocation = murder.
No; Gov-Guns don't hold Mom hostage for childcare.
Whatever you're reading it isn't the 13th Amendment.
The Pro-Life crusade originated in Power-mad Catholic Democrats.
Of course they’re trying to shut-down speech.
Republicans wrote Roe v Wade which Amendment-4 is just a copy of.
Why some Republican politicians area acting just like Democrats is the concerning question. I guess the RINO’S moved from wealth distribution onto 4A & 13A violations.
Who did the current crop of conservatives learn censorship from?
But pro-'choice' is inherently 'dangerous'. 100% death rate for the fetus guaranteed.
When a fetus becomes a person is a matter of opinion. NO ONE wants an abortion. We are ALL pro-life. The key to reducing/eliminating abortion is to reduce/eliminate the reasons woman and familes are forced to choose abortion - unwanted pregnancies being at the top of the list - lack of a living wage, lack of affordable healthcare, etc, are also near the top.
"We are ALL pro-life."?
Except for Marxist Moose-Mammary-Necrophiliac the LIFE HATER (AKA Mother's Lament, with an EVIL Head full of Cement), who recommends SUICIDE for politically incorrect people!!!
Nope. Plenty of people are pro abortion. The sick democrat pieces of shit even had an event a few years ago where they would “shout my abortion”. They are in no way pro life.
Or maybe they were Pro-Choice "shouting my choice" at Gov-Gun dictators who wanted to FORCE them to reproduce.
Ya know; Like the 100% death rate of offspring-dreams from abstinence.. /s
FORCE them to reproduce! /s
Even at that, censorship is a leap or a more-than-generous false equivalence.
Left: We can’t let any doctors say online or anywhere else that choosing not to get the vaccine might not, in fact, kill Grandma.
Right: If they publish lies about the law and every doctor in the state, the doctors are going to lose business, that’s kinda textbook defamation.
It's the same salutory contradiction/celebratory parallax bullshit. If you assume yourself to be invariably and inherently morally correct, you're doing the right thing when you lie to people about vaccines *and* abortions. If the other side invariably and inherently morally wrong, they're wrong for opposing you on vaccines and wrong for opposing you on abortion because even if you were lying, it was for the right reasons and they're morally wrong to expect people to speak the truth.
Joseph Goebbels?
JD Vance is wrong about Pimpin' bein' easy, or unnecessary.
JD Vance as wrong when he said “Always bet on red”.
"The doctors knew that if I did not end my pregnancy, I would lose my baby. I would lose my life. And my daughter would lose her mom," she said. "Florida has now banned abortion even in cases like mine.
Did she also bleed out in a parking lot?
Why am I getting the felling (again) that Little Emma is not telling us everything. And is very possibly lying?
Because she is a lying whore. Fl law specifically allows abortion in this case. The pro baby murder activists lie.
I guess when your okay with murder lying is easy
The FL law is NOT CLEAR - meaning doctors are afraid to go anywhere near an abortion - fearing that some religious zealot/bureaucrat in the DeSantis adm will file charges.
Or the activist doctors are politicizing it to try to kill the 6-week abortion ban because they are ardently supportive of NO restrictions on abortion whatsoever.
I'm fairly pro-choice, but it's dishonest to pretend that some of these doctors speaking up saying they wouldn't help their patients because they fear prosecution (and doing so in political ads) are not just saying it because they see the value of the propaganda.
That 'value' being a bogus murder charge.
Dobbs changed nothing at all from Roe v Wade Post-Viable.
"Or the activist doctors are politicizing it to try to kill the 6-week abortion ban because they are ardently supportive of NO restrictions on abortion whatsoever"
The percentage of those who support "no restrictions at all" are as low as the percentage of those who support "no abortions with no exceptions". They are both miniscule groups. Pretending the medical field is crawling with the most extreme version of pro-choice advocate is sheer nonsense.
And you're pro-choice like I'm a Catholic: not at all. A 6 week abortion ban is an obscenity only surpassed by fetal personhood at conception.
Activist doctors that are using their authority to manipulate people by holding their medical care hostage.
Its medical malpractice and a deliberate, purposeful “misunderstanding” of the law.
You should vilify the doctors.
Does the law specifically say cancer patients can receive an abortion after 6-weeks?
If it doesn’t then *who* gets to determine the difference between a ‘serious risk’ and a ‘not-serious risk’ is? If that same *who* determines all pregnancies are a 'serious risk' doesn't that defeat the law itself?
Maybe; just maybe a woman’s pregnancy is a PERSONAL matter not for everyone’s F’En nosy busy-body opinions trying Gov-Gun dictate her own bodily functions.
Doctors rightly fear Florida prosecutors because Florida is an anti-liberty shithole run by Ron Napolean, torture enthusiast.
The doctors who are willing to speak out against such an extreme and unjustifiable abortion ban are heroes.
Ron DeSantis and his fellow wingnuts are the ones who manipulate factual information until it will say whatever Ron wants in order to make the pain stop.
Oh, sorry. That was a previous job. This immoral behavior is different than the "pro-torture" immorality of his past.
Trump being one of those "fellow wingnuts" who was "willing to speak out against such an extreme and unjustifiable abortion ban".
Because there's an article with her name in the by line?
Florida reportedly has banned pedophiles and sex offenders from hurricane shelters. Only one source currently; have seen stories about this with past hurricanes.
Did Georgia do the same thing? And has shrike posted here since?
Saw a news conference from Flagler County, FL where the sheriff banned fugitives and sex offenders from the storm shelters. If they want to shelter, they are to head to a jail.
I saw that too.
I don't know what to make of this so I'm waiting for JD Vance to take a position knowing full well that he will be wrong.
Or lie. There's a non-zero possibility that Vance can be something other than dishonest or incorrect, but the possibility is very small.
Chances are it's connected to his willingness to say or do anything necessary to advance himself.
A miscarriage of justice?
Emma's is in the corner, curled up in the fetal position over this story.
Her employment at Reason augers poorly for it’s future.
Long and short of this, it's time for Plan B.
Applying this law is still in its infancy.
"Not any more, lol" - Floridians 'Protecting Freedom'
They produced their own video game called Womb Raider.
Perhaps we should allow the situation to gestate for awhile.
Always difficult to find some thread of consistency from the Koch/libertarians. For years we were told by Reason that it was totally cool for government to censor compliant media because as private companies they were free to do whatever the government tells them to do. All of those sternly written emails from the regime were just harmless suggestions. But a sternly written letter that identifies actual potential health risks to women is a bridge too far? I personally think FL should stay out of this but it looks like they at least have a statute to back them up. Whether it's too vague too pass under 1A is a legitimate question but that's something the courts can decide. For better or worse.
If the ad says it was illegal, wouldn’t that be fraud?
Unless the people behind were just emotional knuckleheads.
No.
Always difficult to find some thread of consistency from the Koch/libertarians.
The dishonesty, whether through vague innuendo and false equivalence or outright bald-faced lying, is fairly consistent.
But a sternly written letter that identifies actual potential health risks to women is a bridge too far?
And legitimately defames doctors, whether of the pro-life, pro-choice, or completely agnostic side.
Per my first sentence, this seems like a deliberate "Seek the Lose-lose." position where somebody who just hates America or Western Civilization or the fact that they aren't in charge or whatever, is explicitly and deliberately trying to force the juxtaposition of the intolerable with the (false perception of the) sacrosanct.
"While the termination was medically necessary because the cancer was terminal, the abortion would not have saved the patient's life and therefore could be illegal under Florida law," the doctor said.
But.
"Florida's six-week ban contains a provision allowing abortions when they are "necessary to save the pregnant woman's life or avert a serious risk of substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant woman other than a psychological condition,"
So clearly we have an idiot doctor who has no idea what is or is not legal in the state in which she practices medicine. And that's compelling evidence how exactly?
“So clearly we have an idiot doctor who has no idea what is or is not legal in the state in which she practices medicine.”
Or they’re creating a false narrative of what the law allows.
Maybe they’re not an idiot, just an evil activist actively lying for the cause. Now Emma is much more of a toss-up between evil activist and outright idiot though both isn't out of the question.
These same activists called to denying medical care to people who refused the COVID-19 vaccine.
Chaotic Evil means never having to say your sorry.
Ordered Evil means constantly apologizing for your race, religion, and other personal beliefs and regurgitating the baby-murder propaganda like you're told.
They've stopped calling it Lawful Evil?
Demons are chaotic evil. Devils are lawful evil. Those that disregard safety are evel kinevel.
Nope. Probably my poor recollection of an early alignment knockoff system from some RPG or something.
She is a self described ‘progressive’. Which speaks volumes about Reason hiring her.
“That speech is squarely protected by the First Amendment, even if, as the state claims, it contains false information. Certain kinds of false speech fall outside the First Amendment’s protection, like defamation and fraud. But these are just a few limited, narrowly defined categories of speech,” Aaron Terr, director of public advocacy at the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression, a First Amendment group, told Reason.
Once again, FIRE(xpression) is not your friend. Just like the ACLU, just like the ADL, just like the NAACP, if they have to lie to you to get you to support their political cause, they will. If that means lying about infringing on other rights, they will. They aren’t secretive about it, they are deceitful. If they have to raise your taxes in order to pay for the speech of Professors you don’t agree with… tough shits, taxes aren’t a civil right and even if they were, they don’t fall within FIRE’s wheelhouse.
I mean, sure, they argument is explicitly that the ad is openly slandering and defaming healthcare providers across the state, but who gives a shit? Not FIRE. Because practicing medicine in Florida isn't a civil right. The important part is that FIRE defends your civil right to an abortion and your civil right to defame healthcare providers and lie about the law.
Curiously, the Florida Department of Health letter (linked in the article) did not threaten criminal prosecution for--or even mention--"slandering and defaming healthcare providers"... Weird, huh?
So where was FIRE and Emma and all these principled, Do No Harm doctors from 2020-2022 when they were jabbing people with untested vaccines and trying to mandate them?
It's almost like multiple entire professions were corrupt and dishonest to the point that if you tell them "Don't kill someone, do no harm." they'll look at you quizzically like they don't understand because they approve of the person being killed, but if the government tells them "The shot isn't to protect the children, the shot is to protect the childrens' Grandmas." they respond with "Right, do no harm!" with a dishonest, morally-compromised treachery that would make even Nazis and Soviets avert their eyes and rub their brows.
So mad.casual - maybe you can tell me which person was forced to get the jab because of a violation of anyone's First Amendment rights? I recall that several doctors were threatened with having their licenses to practice medicine suspended for their opinions opposing COVID immunizations or worse - requiring people to be immunized.
Florida officials could not care less about the First Amendment. They don’t HAVE to care. They know that nothing bad has ever happened – or ever WILL happen – to officials who abuse their power by ignoring the First Amendment. They know that they can take unconstitutional actions with impunity and that any court ruling nullifying their actions will not take anything less than a month and, more likely, will take several months to achieve and that meanwhile the intimidation factor plus the expense of filing court actions will achieve the intended effect.
This should be easy. Floridian officials are doubly wrong, first in trying to suppress speech, and second, on the facts. It is possible to be an honest conservative who opposes abortion but can see that. But not here, evidently.
BTW Gawd is clearly punishing Florida for its anti-woke agenda - not once but twice, yet the crackers don't seem to get the message.
Fuck off Shrike.
Is anyone surprised that Ron DeSantis is yet again on the anti-liberty side of an issue? Trump is bad, but at least his danger comes from constantly (and only) worrying about what's best for him, with no concern for others.
DeSantis' danger comes from his desire to force those he disagrees with to stop doing things he doesn't like. The Constitution isn't relevant to him because rights are only valid if they're the citizen has an acceptable worldview.
In the long run, that's much more dangerous to liberty than unrestrained narcissism.
You realise that you've offended the Reason chapter of "Self-styled Libertarians for DeSantis", right?
Anti liberty? YOU’RE A FUCKING DEMOCRAT! You support trash like Harris that have actively worked to shut down any dissent against your evil party’s narratives.
So fuck off with your concern trolling. No one is buying it.
“YOU’RE A FUCKING DEMOCRAT”
No, I’m socially liberal and fiscally conservative. The first part makes me oppose the anti-liberty agenda of the MAGA GOP, since socially they are obsessed with legally forcing others to do what the government wants (like, for example, abortion, book bans or preferential treatment for religious people). The second part makes me oppose Democratic spending (like, for example, student loan forgiveness, expanded social safety net spending, or increased child tax credits). My biggest fiscal belief is in the necessity for a balanced budget, but both parties are equally awful about that.
So I’m an independent due to my beliefs not being supported by either party. As a voter (because I think voting is very important), I’m a split-ticket voter, although lately I’ve only supported local Republicans because the national GOP has lost it’s mind. I will be voting for a Republican for governor, treasurer, and sheriff in the upcoming election. If you want to see what a sane Republican looks like, check out Mike Ramone in the Delaware Governor’s race: https://spotlightdelaware.org/2024/07/23/mike-ramone-profile/. As an aside, I was a Mike Castle voter until “I’m not a witch” O’Donnell beat him in the primary. He would have been an excellent US Senator for Delaware, just like he was an excellent US Rep before that. Lauren Witzke was a full-on election denier and (literally) QAnon supporter, which is where the national GOP is these days: insane.
“You support trash like Harris”
I absolutely do not support Harris. I find a lot of her positions, from eliminating taxes on tips to public funding of transgender surgeries to embracing deficit spending, to be unacceptable. But she’s running against Donald Trump, who was bad the first time and is more extreme and more angry this time. So yeah, I’m voting for Harris. The alternative is far, far worse.
How about you? What are your local politics like and why do you support who you do in … Moscow, is it?
I gotta say that, although I disagree with their efforts to make religious expression the most important of the civil rights, I really like FIRE and what they do. They are willing to stand on their principles and defend free speech rights for those across the political spectrum.
So far, at least, they haven't been subsumed by the conservative movement that gave birth to them. If they can maintain that integrity they will be a worthy successor to the "defending Illinois Nazis" version of the ACLU.
Stay strong. If you're taking fire (pun intended) from both sides, you're doing something right.
Democrats have no principles.
Yes, FIRE is just chock full of Democrats. It's practically an arm of the DNC.
You're a fool.
So what if the group "Floridians Protecting Freedom" is actually funded by Russian counterintelligence or Soros? Would the FDH have the ability to step in then or no?
What if the "The Floridians Protecting Freedom" was a non-profit effectively performing political advocacy on behalf of other government benefactors and non-profits who stood to benefit from the same advocacy?
Because:
Maybe we should use the same "Haitians eating cats" and "FEMA disaster money going to illegals" strategy that Team Red uses, namely, the "fake but accurate" strategy...
"Well, only a demagogical pedant would claim that the ad is technically false, but those of us in the real world acknowledge that the Florida law does not make absolute determinations of when an abortion is legal or not, and doctors face real consequences for violating the law even when it happens unintentionally."
It’s like courts don’t exist to adjudicate if a doctor violated the law or not.
FIRE is more than simply “a First Amendment group,” it has acted like a pro-abortion group.
Its chief counsel wrote in Reason: “Recent decisions threaten to revive the Comstock Act as a vehicle for restricting speech and access to contraceptives and pharmaceutical abortions.” (This supposedly strengthens the case for pardoning a dead guy – long story).
https://reason.com/2024/06/18/president-biden-should-pardon-d-m-bennett/
If a person trained in precision of expression publishes a sentence like this one, which literally cites the “threat[]” of a law limiting “access to…pharmaceutical abortions,” one is entitled to take the person at his word for what he believes. And has FIRE walked back the remark of its chief counsel?
I’m just saying FIRE in this case isn’t simply being a neutral arbiter of free expression rights.
You mentioned the Comstock Act. That's like lighting a beacon fire for Hank to show up.
Not necessarily, because Hank seems to bring it up when it's *not* relevant - whereas here it *is* relevant.
Good point.
It should also be noted from a libertarian standpoint that invocation of the Comstock Act deliberately and relatively fairly or intentionally converts passive rights and private actions into an active right that others have to be taxed in order to support. It's an exploitation of the tragedy of the commons.
FIRE notoriously does this with public education as well. The 'censorship' they oppose is not the king's men going into private homes and chat rooms and silencing people, kicking them out, and smashing their printing presses. It's overwhelmingly defending public employees who use public resources to do something that some/many taxpayers and/or students/customers don't like against those same taxpayers and/or customers.
Rather overtly taking a deliberately bad faith action and shoe-horning it as an expressive act in order to declare it as protected. Even and rather knowingly if the bad faith is specifically against free markets, democracy, other rights, the will of the public, etc.
So how much criticism does the pro-abortion movement get for the blatant dishonesty of this advertisement? All so they can profit off of destroying inconvenient human lives without restriction.
You figured out how to get those 'lives' in the real world yet or are they still figments of your imagination?
Pregnancy is a figment of the imagination?
Either there is a life developing inside a woman's womb, or she is not pregnant.
If your position requires you to argue that reality is not real, then you would seem to admitting your position is wrong.
life developing =/= 'lives' in the real world.
Is an egg a chicken? If I pour a foundation is it a house?
The 'lives' you speak of is a figment of your imagination and is not real and that's why you can't figure out how to get those 'lives' in the real world yet.
Is that the point?
No, even if the ad is presumed to be false, the state still cannot criminally censor false political speech. Everyone knows that--except the Florida government.
"Make America Florida Again!" Er, no thanks...
By suggesting that Florida doctors can't perform abortions in cases like Caroline's, the department contends that the ad could lead women to "foreseeably travel out of state to seek emergency medical care, seek emergency medical care from unlicensed providers in Florida, or not seek emergency medical care at all."
Has anyone considered that's a valid argument?
In the hysterical and desperate desire to *checks notes* really really really facilitate the killing of babies, the fearmongering has become shameless. And, frankly, cruel.
I mean, imagine the sheer cruelty it takes to tell an already sick and scared demographic a straight up bald-faced lie. "If you're terminally ill and pregnant, Florida is going to let you die." How sick in the head do you have to be to even think that up let alone gossip it to the desperate.
I am not sorry even a little bit when I make this sweeping generalization - if you are so obsessed with elective abortions that you are willing to be/defend being THIS cruel and deceitful to extremely vulnerable people (to say nothing of the tiny ones inside them), instead of being willing to call out the pro-abortion side even slightly, then your desire for killing tiny humans has taken over your capability of rational thought and social participation, and you should probably be hunted down and locked up forever.
LOL... That's some seriously twisted logic.
"then your desire for killing tiny humans has taken over"
Addressed towards the doctor who is refusing to ... as-they-say "killing tiny humans".
Wow...
You seem confused.
I mean, in general on a daily basis. But also very specifically here.
What exactly is the motive for terrorizing people in the name of securing elective abortions?
He somehow doesn’t grasp that a fetus is a very young baby, with a right not to be murdered for the sake of convenience.
^THAT^ Right there (answering AT).
"What exactly is the motive for terrorizing people"
The doctor is "terrorizing people" because Pro-Life advocates tell him constantly "a fetus is a very young baby". So he 'refused' to kill a baby and terrorize the people instead.
Get it through your bigoted heads people.
The very definition of Individual = Separate.
It is just a Woman's internal body functions/parts until it's not.
Or the simple reality of it....
You can't claim it's a separate entity until it is separate.
You can't claim an *inherent* right to life until it functions inherently.
That's just basic common-sense.
If you want to make those claims beyond contradictory thought patterns support Fetal Ejection and see what the result brings.
If you cannot support ?baby? freedom (i.e. Fetal Ejection)
UR supporting Gov-Gun FORCED reproduction.
The doctor is “terrorizing people” because Pro-Life advocates tell him constantly “a fetus is a very young baby”.
So let me make sure I have this perfectly straight. Because pro-life recognizes the humanity of a fetus, that somehow justifies telling an already scared and suffering terminal patient a flat out lie: "Florida is going to let you die because you're pregnant." As, what, a thumb in the eye to pro-life?
I mean, is your argument really that pathetic? You "terrorized" me with a disputed fact, therefore I'm going to terrorize you in even worse way that reaches the furthest limits of intentional cruelty with a bald-faced lie?
Is your hatred for the in utero THAT deep, that you can somehow rationalize that as an OK (if not preferable!) thing to do, instead of just saying, "Look, I'm all for killing lots of babies - but that lie is a step too far." Because if that's the case, if your desire for baby killing warrants such extreme levels of overt cruelty - then dude, you need to step back and re-examine what you're defending and why.
Either that, or you're too far gone and it's time to throw you into a cell and never let you back out.
Yes. That is exactly how it is except the doctor isn't lying about anything. There is no specific exemption in the law for cancer. All that spewed anger isn't going to change the way Pro-Life has legislated those situation.
Keep *YOUR* humanitarian *BELIEF* for unicorn-imaginary creatures in *YOUR* own life. You have no basis for shoving it onto others by the force of law.
Look, I get it, you’re very confused about what we’re talking about.
Let’s make it very simple for you: You are on the side of the pro-abortion lobby INTENTIONALLY LYING to terminally ill patients to terrorize them with falsehoods about abortion laws. It’s just like the way they lied about how Amber Thurman died to gin up outrage.
If your position is so noble and so valid, why do you constantly have to lie about it? And exploit the deaths of people like Thurman? And terrorize people like Caroline? Doesn’t that tell you something about how screwed up your position is or has become? That is where your pro-abortion stance has taken you. That is the depths of absurdity to which you’re now reaching.
Pro-abortion, like pro-LGBT pedo – they’ve lost the plot. And your rationalization of it is, effectively: “I deny the humanity of tiny in utero humans, and anyone who told anyone otherwise, therefore the pro-abortion lies/terrorism are necessary and justified.”
Honest question – and please don’t avoid/deflect – is there ANY point at which the pro-abortion advocates could go “too far” in your book? If so, what is it and why’s that your line in the sand?
As stated 2-posts up; It's Pro-Life doing all the lying because their "beliefs & faith" still cannot put what they claim to exit into the real world.
In fact Pro-Life's very legislation is a BAN on putting their claims into a real world but are actually a Gov-Gun mandatory FORCE against individual will to create (pro-create) what they imagined in their own heads.
It's the same as someone who drew up a house-plan, claimed their house exists before it was even built and then used Gov-Guns to FORCE people to build that house plan (enslavement).
The "too far" standard resides on *inherent* rights. If both entities were "into a real world" instead of people's imagination-at-work (BS-propaganda) there wouldn't be a conflict. The entire conflict resides in "Beliefs & Faith" that destroy human rights & freedom and that is NOT a place Law should reside.
A recognition of the 4th & 13th backed human right to eject from one's own PRIVATE body what-ever they chose (Fetal Ejection) is that "line in the sand". What can a person claim to own if they can't even make claim on their very self? My fingernail doesn't get to own me because some 3rd party nosy busy-body's dictation desire had to find an excuse to force me into involuntary servitude.
Once that Fetal Ejection occurs legislation already on the books covers every "line in the sand" that ever needed to be addressed and then some.
If Pro-Life really cared about 'killing' anything they could easily pass State Legislation on the medical procedure (i.e. Stabbing the fetus is illegal). WHY don't they just do that? Fetal Ejection ... because everything I just stated above. They'd rather ENSLAVE the people than actually address their own stated concern.
Frankly they won't actually address there BS-propaganda concerns directly because it's just an excuse to FORCE reproduction. They know deep in their hearts stabbing a pre-viable fetus makes no difference because there isn't an *inherent* life there to protect anyways. The actual intent is to FORCE people to reproduce against their own will.
Or entirely summarized -
If you cannot support ?baby? freedom.
UR supporting Gov-Gun FORCED reproduction.
Would I personally support a law against "stabbing the fetus" and to what "line in the sand" in my State? Probably at 30+ weeks or more ... If Pro-Life ever stopped trying to ENSLAVE and actually addressed their own statement of concern.
Or if you prefer from the Pro-Life warped perspective.
Even if one wants to pretend a pregnancy is a person before it has an *inherent* right to life it is 100% dependent on life-support by the Woman. If you don't believe in a claimed 'right' to Healthcare how can anyone pull a *double-standard* and reasonably claim anyone has a 'right' to a persons very own body as being that life-support Healthcare? That's rings of the same level of dictation as Gov-Gun FORCED organ donation. Sorry; but Gov-Guns hunting down people and forcing them to donate their body-organs to "save a life" in despair I will never support because it's way, way ,way too much of a violation of the people. And that example doesn't even account for the supposed-person never having a life at all.
*snaps* Focus TJ. FOCUS.
You didn't answer the question. I'll repeat it: If your position is so noble and so valid, why do you constantly have to lie about it? And exploit the deaths of people like Thurman? And terrorize people like Caroline? Doesn’t that tell you something about how screwed up your position is or has become?
Pregnant Women's deaths are making news
... because ...
YOUR-SIDE wanted to create Laws & Politics on how a Women HAD to treat herself.
I can't believe your still trying to pack around your "seriously twisted logic". Your basically asking why can't all doctors just ignore the very laws YOUR-SIDE pushed and got passed. I don't know why doctors don't ignore your-sides stupid laws but I imagine it has something to do with 'fear' of Pro-Life mob prosecution.
This actually goes back to what I stated a year ago.
The flawed reasoning behind Pro-Life trying to use Gov- 'Guns' to protect ?life? of a pregnancy ... Any Women who defies their laws to the maximum extent will get SHOT and killed by police and the pregnancy is going to die there. Killing both the Women and her pregnancy with ONE-SHOT. As such; they can't claim to be 'saving' anything but their own religious bigotry.
You still haven't answered the question.
If abortion is so noble and valid, why do you have to lie about it? Why do you have to lie about how abortion-seeking women ACTUALLY die? Why do you have to lie to a terminal patient about what will happen if she's pregnant? Is there something about the truth you DON'T want them knowing, because it might change their perspective - if not mind - on the subject?
There is no LIE. The law does not specifically exempt Cancer Subjects. It's based on the phrase 'serious risk' and *WHO* determines what that entails?
Yes it was. She could obtain an abortion if it was necessary to save her life. They said otherwise.
Now, also explain why they lied about Thurman’s death.
Also:
YOUR-SIDE wanted to create Laws & Politics on how a Women HAD to treat herself.
No, we wanted them on how a woman has to treat her baby. To discourage/punish when they DO mistreat them. Same reason we have child abuse laws, or any other laws designed to protect the most vulnerable. I'm sure you're perfectly fine with those, right?
Any Women who defies their laws to the maximum extent will get SHOT and killed by police and the pregnancy is going to die there.
Are you retarded? Are you operating in reality? Why would the police be shooting pregnant women trying to commit abortion?
Prosecution of journalists for an ad whose content is opined to be an immediate threat to public safety is an interesting twist in the expanding war on Freedom of Speech.
It would seem to be a bold new assertion that the opinions of government officials are now given the status of protected speech under the 1st Amendment, while ordinary citizens' opinions are now categorically unprotected.
Welcome to the modern Republican party. It didn't used to be like this.
Unfortunately, you Marxist democrats have brought it to this.
"Lying ad is a-ok" says Leftists.
Tell that to the "vote for Hilary" meme guy.
Look. There are differences in opinion and there are outright lies.
This ad is a lie. There are no two ways about it. The arguments that it is not a lie is so roundabout that they are practically circular reasoning.
In fact, it's one of the most common lies from the pro-choice side. I cannot say how many personal debates I've had where protestors demanded exceptions that already existed in the law.
Should it have been from a political opponent suing as the ad is slander? Maybe. However, it does concern me that we have a statement that outright and explicit falsehoods are allowed without even the chance of challenge.
There's a price to pay for free speech. People will abuse it. Is that a price worth paying?
Trump lies constantly, for example. But, no US state is sending him cease and desist letters threatening him with criminal prosecution for his false statements (there isn't enough paper, maybe)...
No faggot, Trump doesn’t constantly lie. You constantly lie about Trump. And pretty much everything else too.
"The arguments that it is not a lie is so roundabout that they are practically circular reasoning."
Because of the wording of the law, doctors believe they would be vulnerable to prosecution if they performed this particular abortion.
Not very roundabout at all, is it?
When the law can be interpreted by zealots instead of written clearly with specific examples, then it can be abused to persecute doctors trying to make good faith decisions. No doctor wants to risk his/her livelihood being the "first" on a case to establish precedent.
For example: https://www.reuters.com/legal/texas-judge-allows-woman-get-emergency-abortion-despite-state-ban-2023-12-07/
None of this makes the ad more accurate or truthful or less defamatory.
But then, you don't care about honesty or truth or accuracy or an informed public making their own decisions in a democracy. You just care about killing babies that could otherwise be saved in a manner that would make most hunters with a wall full of trophy deer heads say "I like killing things, but damn! That's fucked up."
"Defamatory", lol.
What baby?
Oh yeah; that one *YOU* dreamed-up in *YOUR* imagination that you use to justify your Gov-Gun Power-mad desire to FORCE every Woman to reproduce against her own will.
The baby growing inside the mother. Stop with this bullshit.
"None of this makes the ad more accurate or truthful or less defamatory."
Yes, it does. This is the opinion of the person in the ad, based on the rabid anti-abortion laws and politicians in Florida having the ability to prosecute doctors for giving an abortion to a woman. It isn't an unreasonable belief, given the radical position of Florida Republicans and the government they have empowered.
It isn't a lie. It's a reasonable fear that doctors have in deep red states. When the honest medical opinion of a doctor can be prosecuted by politically-motivated zealots, this is what happens.
Unless they have an MD, politicians shouldn't pretend they're doctors.
"an informed public making their own decisions in a democracy"
That informed public keeps telling anti-abkrtioists to go fuck themselves. In every single state, no matter how red, abortion rights have been supported by voters, which is why the anti-abortionists are trying so hard to prevent any more voting on it.
Anti-abortionists are wrong. The American people keep telling them that, but their response is to try to prevent the American people from being heard.
Given how poor the Democratic candidate and platform is, if Republicans lose this election it should be crystal clear, even to the zealots, that they're wrong on this social issue. Like they are on so many social issues.
Excellent catch. Bad explanation.
"informed public making their own decisions in a democracy."
^THAT^ is 100% collectivist (communist) minded.
The USA isn't based on [WE] public making [WE] (not 'own') decisions in a 'democracy'. It is based on a US Constitution about *INDIVIDUAL* rights and championed for ensuring *INDIVIDUAL* Liberty and Justice for all.
The USA ******IS********** ***********NOT******** a 'democracy'. It ******IS***** a ******CONSTITUTIONAL******* Republic.
I swear 100% of the nations problems would be solved if everyone would actually understand the very definition of what a USA *IS*.