The Coming Vindication of the Double-Haters
Policy nihilism is consuming the 2024 election.

At the start of the summer, it looked like the 2024 presidential election might come down to the double-haters. Roughly 25 percent of voters told Pew pollsters they had unfavorable views of both Joe Biden and Donald Trump. (And this was before Trump's felony conviction and Biden's disastrous debate performance.)
Some of us are longtime double-haters in good standing. But it's worth putting those numbers in context. In 1988, only 5 percent of voters told pollsters they disapproved of both major party candidates. In 2000, that figure was 6 percent. Even the previous Trump-Biden matchup in 2020 pulled only 13 percent into the double-hater camp. For several months of this election cycle, Americans really were letting the hate flow through them in unprecedented ways.
But after Kamala Harris quickly and dramatically replaced Biden on the Democratic ticket, the double-haters seem to have disappeared into thin air. A bump for the Democrats was perhaps to be expected; Harris showed 48 percent favorability against 48 percent unfavorability in an August New York Times/Siena poll. But Trump also got a bump; his favorability number was the same as Harris', with 51 percent unfavorable.
Under different circumstances, one might assume the favorables increased as voters learned more about what the candidates would do as president. It's true that after an extended period with very little in the way of meaningful policy proposals, we're now entering a phase where both candidates are debuting bold new initiatives on a weekly or even daily basis. Unfortunately, these policy promises amount to little more than words that feel good in the candidates' mouths and the voters' ears.
In 2024 it's hard to shake the feeling that, from a policy perspective, the presidential contest offers less real substance than ever before. Rather than being a contest over policy, ideology, and principle, the race has descended into a spectacle of empty gestures, culture-war posturing, and a dizzying rush to outdo the opposition in meaningless rhetoric. It's the era of total policy nihilism.
In a race between Trump and Biden, policy nihilism was in some ways less consequential, because voters had the records of what both men had already done in their first terms as president, and actions speak louder than words. But Harris has a thin policy portfolio, little more than a series of missteps and abortive efforts in her role as vice president. As Elizabeth Nolan Brown explains in this month's cover story, Harris is currently trending away from some of her more extreme progressive policy stances. There's something heartening about the fact that mouthing platitudes about freedom remains a winning electoral strategy. Americans like freedom, and the GOP has mostly abandoned the field when it comes to liberty-promoting policy proposals and rhetoric.
There's no reason to believe Harris has had a change of heart, though. She's flopping toward freedom in order to win an election, and she's just as likely to flip back in office. In fact, Harris' policy stances are changing so rapidly it's difficult to say where she stands on much of anything, much less how that relates to the current administration's plans and goals.
Trump has long made policy on the fly, and in 2024 he can be more serenely confident than ever that the Republican intellectual and political apparatus will contort itself to conform with whatever he says. His recent notion to eliminate taxes on tips, for example—which seems to have come to him on the golf course or perhaps in the shower—went from being a casual remark to one of the central themes of the Republican National Convention in a matter of days. This, despite near-universal condemnation from economists and tax policy analysts of all ideological stripes.
The proposal tapped into a real yearning for a reduction of Americans' tax burden, especially for the working class. It felt good to say it, people liked to hear it—and implementing it would be a counterproductive nightmare. Naturally, it also became a Harris campaign pledge days later.
It's not just economic issues. Foreign policy also became an afterthought. Today, foreign policy functions downstream from domestic electoral politics and the culture war. The complexities of global power balances, human rights, and trade relations are flattened into caricatures and sound bites. Biden was already teetering on this line, changing his rhetoric in an attempt to meet the electoral moment, but his long record on Israel and other matters signaled strongly to voters what he would actually do. Not so with Harris.
Instead of being leaders who take seriously their obligation to govern, politicians are little more than symbols in a rhetorical war that's largely disconnected from day-to-day policy. They will literally say anything to get elected.
In election season, there's a certain dark freedom in policy nihilism. It allows candidates to campaign without accountability. If their policy proposals are flimsy and changeable, they reduce their own risk of being held to their promises. Knowing that the policy talk is meaningless allows voters to gloss over the difficult details of proposals, since the candidates are unlikely to pursue the policies they are discussing in a recognizable way once in office anyway. We're left with elections where the stakes feel apocalyptic, even as the substance hollows out.
But policy nihilism is only tenable for as long as the campaign lasts. Someone will win, and that person must govern—at which point the double-haters will almost certainly be proven right.
This article originally appeared in print under the headline "Double-Hater Dead-Enders."
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If you could travel back in time and rescue Hitler right before he died. Bring him to the present. Maybe give him a makeover - get rid of that outdated mustache. Fake his birth certificate. Slap a team blue label on him. Run him for president as the Democrat party nominee. The Democrats would vote for him and he would poll higher than Kamala.
It's a bit early to try for stupidest post of the day, but you've managed it.
Sounds like shrike is scared he may have his record streak of days broken.
How so?
He hated Jews, was vegetarian, had socialist and Keynesian economic policy, favoured abortions for minorities, persecuted the opposition and tried to imprison political opponents, weaponized government agencies, was in favour of stacking the courts, and started a war with Russia over land in what is now the Ukraine.
Sounds like a Democrat dream.
Competing with Eeyore, I see
Oh?
Which part wasn't an accurate description of Hitler's views and actions?
You want to point that out?
Stupid, but unfortunately not wrong.
Nope, you just beat him.
FOAD, steaming pile of TDS-addled shit.
If the Democratic Party dressed him to the neins, could be a lot more popular than Kamala.
I think there's actually a movie to this effect - obviously not involving Kamala - but a foreign film, a black comedy. It was actually kind of good and disturbing.
Imagine walking into a Subway where KH, KMW, and ENB were working. You’re likely not getting the sammich you wanted nor would it be fast. KH would later claim she only worked the fries station.
"KH would later claim she only worked the fries station"
Now, that's funny.
What you don't have to imagine is that Trump ever worked a day in his life. He is a person who grew up in privilege and doesn't have the least idea what life is like for a working person.
So?
I’m not entirely convinced that you’ve worked a day in your life either, Moddles.
And it doesn't matter if he has the the least idea what life is like for a working person, because none of the old money who are running the Democrats have an idea either.
The difference is that Trump doesn't hate the plebs, and seek to farm or replace them.
My kids were born into way more than I was born into. Not Trump money, but no college loans either
What's wrong with providing and financially helping your offspring?
You're one of those generational wealth-envy Marxists. Likely failed providing for your family without welfare.
If a Democrat isn't a welfare queen lumpenprole, they're a gentry class Patrician looking to reinstate the aristocracy.
The working class, including Kulaks like you, are anathema for them.
Are you saying that Trump does know what life is like for a normal working person? Because he doesn’t. Oh, you weren’t refuting his statement, you were defending Trump with a personal attack. Sorry. I almost mistook you for someone who isn't a Trump attack dog. Whoof whoof whoof!
Are you saying that Trump does know what life is like for a normal working person? Because he doesn’t.
Cite?
Unfair question. You can't cite projection.
Or lies.
Trump took a stone cold stunner from Steve Austin. That wasn’t a shoot. He worked.
You apparently have a very narrow definition of 'work'. Be better, bigot.
Is this because you saw the ad where Harris says she worked in a fast-food restaurant as a teenager?
Some people have no idea what goes into running a business. Or even a TV show, for that matter.
Thank goodness John Kerry was never President.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/john-kerry-against-the-first-amendment-saying-the-quiet-part-aloud/#scid_noreply_48a87943-105a-47b1-8492-70d13d61507c
“Kerry:
‘The dislike of and anguish over social media is just growing and growing. It is part of our problem, particularly in democracies, in terms of building consensus around any issue. It’s really hard to govern today. You can’t — the referees we used to have to determine what is a fact and what isn’t a fact have kind of been eviscerated, to a certain degree. And people go and self select where they go for their news, for their information. And then you get into a vicious cycle.'”
“It is hard, grumbles Kerry, to “build consensus.” Good. Democracy is not meant to be easy. Besides, a consensus that is built on the suppression of inconvenient information is not, in any real sense, a consensus. This means that it may prove fragile, destabilizing, and, lacking serious challenge, turn out to be profoundly misguided. The story of the “race” to net zero is, as it happens, proving to be a good example of just how this works.”
“The essence of social media, of course, is that they are channels for many competing sources of information. Besides that, to condemn the First Amendment as a “major block” to “hammering out” a competing source of information is disturbingly authoritarian. Yes, Kerry may think that a source is “sick,” has an “agenda” (and he doesn’t?), and is putting out what he considers to be disinformation. But a legal system that would allow him and those who agree with him to “hammer it out of existence” is far sicker.
But that is the legal system that Kerry wants.”
I saw that yesterday. It’s no coincidence that he, Harris and Walz are all saying the same thing.
They are going to eliminate speech as soon as they can.
Because he is a Globalist Fascist Pig, and that's the only way they can retain power.
Globalism is the new Fascism. Global elites mean to control everything. Big Government in cahouts with Big Corporations. Bankers, bureaucrats, corporate media, tech moguls, celebrities, dictators, diplomats, admirals, generals, the intelligence community, censors, propagandists, NGOs and so on. They're really one stupendous, big, fat tyranny. Just like any old tyrants known to man, determined to assume control of everything in their intersecting circles. So, Global Fascism is kind of new, actually. Like a sort of Super Duper Fascism.
The more this mob controls, and the more their partnering expands and intertwines, the more power they amass and the more power they exercise. And when they look out upon the world they see a mess of unruly primitives and they want to use all the power in the world... their power... to clean it up... downsize it... and ideologically sanitize it... for themselves. The rest of us can just die or make shit for them in little fifteen-minute factories.
They have a handy list of special terms they use to denigrate those of us who point this out. "Conspiracy theorists" they howl. Well, the joke is on them; they've outed themselves as connivers, if only by their glee. Conspiracies still exist, but they are not paramount when all those at the top of the food chain eat at the same trough. And, truth be told, connivers are just more vile than conspirators.
They figure their propaganda has served them well. They invented the "word salad." Not to be confused with the complete horseshit emanating from that smugness-trained, Kackling Harris. Classic word salads are imbued with gourmet appeal and go way back. You're supposed to roll it around on your tongue and waste time trying to assume something meaningful from the garbage they've subsidized to feed you. Socialism has gained appeal, because fools are mesmerized by the pink hue of its virtue signal. They don't visibly shy away from Marxism now, because so many "respectable" intellectuals have identified with it, even wear it as a badge of honor, wink wink, nudge nudge. Conniving at its most profound. As if no one has access to the truth about communism.
They are the most arrogant of history's tyrants: Globalist Fascist Pigs. GLOBALIST! FASCIST! PIGS! Of course they don't want you calling them Globalist Fascist Pigs, because at that instant a light may come on and people would see the death-head atop their supreme arrogance. Then the tag might stick. Or go viral. And then maybe no one would listen to their propaganda any more. Oh my God! Then what would they do? Would some see the light and stop in their tracks? Would they start turning on each other? Would they go into hiding?
Um, actually, they can't hide. There are scads of them, and they can be found. They go to the places that are the most beautiful; they seek out places they deem worthy of their presence and that's where you'll find them.
Now, I'm not suggesting anyone go out there to harm them. God forbid. Just find them, get in their faces and ask them who the FUCK they think they are. Don't fear them; their legacy media is a rotting corpse. Creativity has fled them - it is ours now. So ridicule them. Write protest songs about them. Record, video and write, exposing them to the ends of the earth. Start Today! Make them unwelcome in our bars and restaurants. Abstain from their trite rituals. Stop providing for and delivering to them. Reject their insidious spyware! Develop alternatives and keep a wary eye on THEM wherever they go. See how they like it. Then savor their sudden unease with the world they thought they owned.
And for the coup de grace, give them four years of Donald Trump. Humble the motherfuckers.
Ten years ago I would have thought this was a crazed rant, now I think you were being judicious.
The times, they are a-changin'
- sigh -
All but a consequence of ignoring/destroying the US Constitution and championing [WE] mob RULES 'democracy' in its place.
Gangland politics.
There's no reason to believe Harris has had a change of heart, though. She's flopping toward freedom in order to win an election, and she's just as likely to flip back in office. In fact, Harris' policy stances are changing so rapidly it's difficult to say where she stands on much of anything, much less how that relates to the current administration's plans and goals.
That is just so fucking obvious!
Flopping towards freedom apparently includes going into gun owner’s homes.
Only once.
Just to check.
Didn't Ruby Ridge come out of the Feds going in once, to check out some claim about there being an illegal sawed-off shotgun on the premises?
Trump's actual policies are mostly boilerplate, center-right Republican, so it's a bit silly to suggest that supporters need to somehow "contort" themselves into agreeing with them.
When your starting position is with your head firmly seated in your rectum as KMW's is then standing up straight and looking around at the real world seems like a contortion.
Trump’s actual policies are mostly boilerplate, center-right Republican,
Aside from, you know, tariffs, opposition to free trade, supporting Russia, etc.
Tariffs?
Like this?
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/05/14/fact-sheet-president-biden-takes-action-to-protect-american-workers-and-businesses-from-chinas-unfair-trade-practices/#:~:text=In%20response%20to%20China%E2%80%99s%20unfair%20trade%20practices%20and%20to%20counteract
Best I can tell is Biden and Trump believe in tariffs for the same reason.
Well, the first two are and the last is something the Democrats have been doing, not the Republicans.
In fact, for several decades the Democrats were the pro-Soviet Union side.
To be fair and to be sure, when the Russians dropped the Soviet/Communist shtick is when the Left turned on them.
“supporting Russia”
I’m sure you have a cite for this that wasn’t later proved in two different Special Counsel reports and subsequent investigations to be a Hillary campaign lie.
Right, Diet Shrike?
"...supporting Russia..."
You ARE a lying, steaming pile of /TDS-addled shit, aren't you?
This is true. It's not as if Trump were some wizard who invented a new -ism. It's boilerplate that center-"right" Republicans have talked about for many years, but Trump actually managed to get some of it done.
I am really having a difficult time deciding if I should even bother voting this year given how inconsequential one vote actually is, but somehow I bring myself to do it if for no other reason than to help the LP candidates get better numbers.
Ive always lived in one swing state or another, so its nice to know my vote technically matters. Would likely have adopted a different strategy and voted more 3rd party in my life if I was ever in a deep-whatever color state.
Double-hater here. I'm voting for my wife. I'm even wearing my "Literally anybody else 2024" tee this morning.
I'm having a little trouble with that attitude.
Unless you've totally given up on America, one side is easily recognizeable as the best choice to slow the country's spiral down the toilet bowl of history. It can be seen as buying time for a more libertarian mindset to take hold in the country or at least to better inform policy decisions. This... ah... enjoy the ride and a pox on both houses kind of cope is really only for nihilists.
Given the "libertarian mindset" of the writers here why stave off what is so vehemently demanded? They've repeatedly sided with the authoritarian managed democracy model marxists so love.
They even reluctantly and strategically voted for the spiral last time.
Hmmmm. PLEASE read this and pass it on:
https://x.com/jeremykauffman/status/1839665795921539487
+1
The only change I would make is, to point 1, I would add "I recommend" or "If you choose." $$$ make things better, but belief and belief-in-action are the critical points. If you keep your money, spend it teaching your children liberty at home, the conception that the LP strives (but doesn't always succeed) to be that effective is understandable.
Neither one is going to hit the brakes. At best one might give it a little less gas.
My mindset is the same as Jerry B.'s so I'll jump in here.
Unless you’ve totally given up on America
Yeah, pretty much. The USA was a great idea, but it was not supposed to be history's most powerful empire with an omnipresent federal government. I think if you brought back Jefferson he'd say the experiment failed. I think it failed.
This… ah… enjoy the ride and a pox on both houses kind of cope is really only for nihilists.
Not really. Voting for a major party candidate is only for residents in swing states. The rest of us might as well register our discontent among the ~3%.
Having said that, we're pretty bitchy in these comments (myself included). I'm not cold, wet or hungry. Life is pretty good in the context of human history. We're pretty safe in the US. Inflation sucks, but stuff is still dirt cheap relative to 100 years ago and probably unfathomable to someone from the middle ages. The whole system may come crashing down at any minute, but until it does, I'll enjoy the ride.
I’m having a little trouble with that attitude.
Even false dichotomy aside, at this point, an "I've supported third parties for 30 yrs. and all I got was this lousy t-shirt." or just "I'm a putz." would be more contemporary/relevant and/or self-aware.
I'm wearing a "I've supported third parties for the past 30 years and all I got was the same exact thing you did" t-shirt.
That makes you a freeloader.
Hmmm. I guess so.
I can't tell what's behind the gray box but, lemme guess, somebody else with a message on their t-shirt that thinks wearing their political messages on a t-shirt makes them more clever or meaningful rather than pithy.
Like the problem for the last 20-30 yrs. has been an insufficient amount of t-shirts and bumper stickers sloganeering, virtue signalling, and/or mocking people who *don't* wear political slogans on their shirts.
I'm the man in the box?
Well, feed my eyes...
the river of deceit flows down.
My dad taped them doing that album live on the radio and gave it to me. I wore it out.
Ive totally given up on America and will not be voting in federal elections yet again. This will make no difference in my lifetime, but at least I will feel good about myself.
Sure one side might be greedy, nest-feathering ignoramuses, but the other are sociopathic, anti-human demons who are in the process of trying to destroy freedom of speech and association, and hand the country over to a global aristocracy.
I'm guessing you're a boomer who gets his news from CNN if you haven't noticed this yet.
Voting for your wife is a vote for the Democrats regardless of your intent.
“Voting for your wife is a vote for the Democrats regardless of your intent.”
Without knowing which State he lives in this is baloney. If he lives in a swing state, maybe. But if like me, he lives in a solidly red state then he can vote for whomever he wants with zero regrets and zero consequence.
The converse is also true, solidly blue state? Vote for Pedro.
even more to the baloney.... it assumes the person voting for his wife would vote the way ML wants them to if they did pick one of the two major parties.
Like I said, one is Boss Hogg and the other is Cthulhu.
You can't vote for the Democrats unless you are a bad person. Jerry B. didn't seem like a bad person.
I get that Trump is abrasive and a braggart and he turns people off. I personally can't stand his New York accent. But the things that the Democrats have done and are promising to do will destroy the nation in the next two years.
"You can’t vote for the Democrats unless you are a bad person."
and this is why we are stuck in the shit-show that society has become. anyone who does not support my guy (who i admit is absolutely terrible and --- at best ---- NEXT to the last thing we need) must automatically be a "bad person." they can't be wrong. they can't be misguided or stupid. they certainly can't just have a different opinion than me...... they must be bad/evil/deplorable/spawn of hell......
this is how the tribalism has taken over and is destroying everything.
FOAD, asshole.
SQUAWK!!!!!
Who started it? Was it the bitter clingers? The deplorables?
does it really matter who started it? that is the justification of a screaming toddler, not a valid defense of the behavior.
Just curious.
i don't know. i don't care..... just like countless generations of parents telling their children to STFU.
“does it really matter who started it?”
It actually kinda does. Just like how right now Democrats have been shooting and running over Trump supporters, while nothing has been done to Democrats by the MAGA folks. That matters.
it only matters if you are a screaming toddler. of course toddlers don't usually try an argument as absurd as equating voting for a democrat with shooting people or running them over.
The states are all a lot more purple right now than you think.
Californians have been fleeing to Texas by the tens of thousands and the union base across the Midwest are turning to Trump.
Even in California, outside the cities is solidly Red and inside the Blue zones there is zero enthusiasm.
Again, voting for your wife is a vote for the Democrats regardless of your intent.
"Again, voting for your wife is a vote for the Democrats regardless of your intent."
Again, you don't know what state he's from. Sorry the "wasted vote" talking point only works in swing states.
The states are all a lot more purple right now than you think.
I'm from Utah, tell me again how "purple" my state is.
"Again, you don’t know what state he’s from"
So? Like I said. All states are in play to some degree.
"I’m from Utah, tell me again how “purple” my state is."
Tell us again about Trump superfan Pierre DeLecto.
*sigh*
I can be an idiot at times. I read your "I'm voting for my wife" as saying that you were going to take her mail in ballot and fill it out for her. I was wondering why you'd be bragging about doing something like that.
If I felt the way you do, that no candidate is worthy of my vote, I would just not vote and not write in a spouse's name. Voting for your wife adds to the vote total, so whoever does win seems to have more of a mandate for winning what could be the election with the highest participation rates.
Granted, your one vote is insignificant, but a collection of people doing as you do would boost the total number of votes.
Ha! that was my first take as well... got the right answer when trying to square the circle of the replies
"Unfortunately, these policy promises amount to little more than words that feel good in the candidates' mouths and the voters' ears."
Anybody heard enough hyperbolic political ads denouncing "Project 2025" yet?
That and abortion, both pro and anti. Sickening. I gave up on tv, just watching movies.
Wonder if KMW is aware of how many times Don't Say Gay was written by Reason.
"There's no reason to believe Harris has had a change of heart, though. She's flopping toward freedom in order to win an election, and she's just as likely to flip back in office. “
Lucy and the football.
Sarc and his pretending to be a libertarian.
Lucy and the football.
Reluctantly and strategically.
Charlie Nolan Brown
LOL, so good...
Someone will win, and that person must govern—at which point the double-haters will almost certainly be proven right.
Yup. Whichever one wins, liberty still loses.
But it remains a fact that if the D wins then liberty takes the loss good and hard!
Sarcasmic was lying. He knows but doesn't care.
That’s what I’ve been told every election that I can remember. Yet the presidents most hostile to liberty in my lifetime were Reagan and Bush II.
Were we more free in 1980 or 1990? Definitely 1980. And if I'm not mistaken Bush II grew government more than any other president in history. His liberty destroying Patriot Act was only a small part of his legacy.
So you can't sell me on the idea that Republicans stand for liberty. That's just not true.
Reagan was most hostile to liberty?? lol
Yes, I remember Reagan’s Ministry of Truth, his government censorship, and his jailing of political opponents.
How were we more free in 1980? The 70% tax rates? The regulatedcommunications and O&G market? The double digit unemployment and 20% mortgage rates?
Reagan put the war on drugs into overdrive. He began the militarization of the police, and the change in their mindset from peace officers to us-v-them warriors. Much of the well-earned hatred towards police is a direct result of his presidency. Know why so many crimes go unreported? Because the victims are afraid of the police. They know the cops don’t give a fuck about crime victims because they’re after drugs. That’s because of Reagan.
Not to mention he began the now time-honored tradition of presidents doubling the debt.
“Reagan put the war on drugs into overdrive. He began the militarization of the police”
Both good points, but that’s the Democrats before breakfast on a Tuesday morning nowadays. We’ve seen the capture and weaponization of the alphabet agencies, the FBI is essentially the Stasi now, they are promising to end free speech after the election, they have tried to shoot and jail their opponent, it’s totalitarianism of a level never attempted before.
And it's no coincidence that the entire Bush Whitehouse is supporting Kamala this election.
We’ve seen the capture and weaponization of the alphabet agencies
That’s not recent.
the FBI is essentially the Stasi now
*snort*
Why don’t you read up on the Stasi. Average people lived in constant fear of them, and there was a good chance your neighbor was a snitch. Average Americans don’t fear the FBI, and the chance of their neighbor being a snitch is near zero.
they have tried to shoot and jail their opponent
Rogue nitwits tried to shoot him and he’s not going to jail.
it’s totalitarianism of a level never attempted before
I’ll agree with that when political opposition is outlawed, when some class of people are singled out and blamed for all the nation’s problems, and when police are empowered and encouraged to act completely outside the law, especially in regards to that scapegoat class. Neither candidates propose the first, but those last two are part of your boy’s platform.
"I’ll agree with that when political opposition is outlawed"
Remember when the Nazis and Soviets, Mao or the Vietcong outlawed political opposition?
Oh wait, they never did. Instead they made a big show of pretending that it was still permitted.
You really are going to be one of those guys in the gulag muttering "If only Comrade Stalin knew this was happening".
You support a candidate with actual, bonified, totalitarian planks in his platform.
Instead of addressing that you go on the attack claiming I don’t know what totalitarianism is because, according to you, Stalin didn’t officially outlaw rival political parties. He just threw everyone who was in one into the gulag. But it wasn't outlawed. No really. It just landed you in prison. But it wasn't outlawed.
Whenever I think you couldn’t be more of a colossal piece of shit, you manage to prove me wrong.
“You support a candidate with actual, bonified, totalitarian planks in his platform.”
REALLY???
Wow!
Why don’t you tell us what those actual, bonified, totalitarian planks in his platform are, you little lying retarded cunt.
Then you can explain how siccing the IRS on Conservative groups, or having the FBI and CIA illegally tap phones of people like Tucker Carlson and the Trump Campaign, or faking a dossier about the presidential campaign winner which led to four year of wasted inquiries, or use the FBI to harass PTA parents opposed to porn in class and Catholic groups opposed to abortion, or charging the leading opposition candidate with made-up crimes, or forcing social media companies to censor opposition political content or discussion of Covid, or pushing a group of crooked judges to try and remove the leading political candidate off the ballot, or literally banning ID from being presented at polling stations, or promising they are going to rig the Supreme Court, or saying that free speech is dangerous and needs to be controlled, is totally legit libertarian?
This is all going to be on the people who enable and defend this shit, and that’s little goosestepping Nazis like you, you drunken piece of garbage.
You are the reason why Hitler’s and Stalin’s come to power. Not because of guys like Emmanuel Trumpstein. Because of you, you evil little drunken garbage toad.
Why don’t you tell us what those actual, bonified, totalitarian planks in his platform are
I just told you. Giving more power and immunity to the police so they can round up eleven million scapegoats.
Instead of deflecting with retarded binary-thinking attacks, why don't you defend your boy Trump? I'm not defending anyone, because I'm not on a side. Instead of defending Trump by attacking Democrats and other boogiemen, defend Trump's policies. Defend current abuses by the police, because they'll be a fond memory if he gets his way.
They stand for - not raping Liberty while the Green party and globalists masturbate over the victim- which is better than the D(bag) party which wants that exact scenario. Just ask john kerry, hillary, the media.... etc etc.
This, despite near-universal condemnation from economists and tax policy analysts of all ideological stripes.
A ringing endorsement for not taxing tips.
However "woke" you think Kamala Harris is, and she wasn't all that woke as a prosecutor. She believes in the rule of law, and Trump does not. Libertarians are supposed to believe in the rule of law, even though many--many of your commenters in particular--clearly do not. Trump can fairly be called a nihilist. Harris cannot. Your morally lazy "a plague on both houses" approach smacks of nihilism as well, perhaps because the libertarian "movement" is practically a joke these days, and not a very funny one. I guess it's comforting to think that "well, everyone else is just as fucked up as we are," instead of being, you know, honest. I'm spending all this time because I think you're capable of intelligent work, and this isn't it. Try a little harder next time.
Thanks but no thanks
The guy is obviously an expert on libertarianism
“I’m spending all of this time…” because I’m paid by the Harris campaign. FTFY
Sell your bullshit elsewhere, this isn’t Slate
Low level effort.
Fail
OBL second account?
OBL second account?
Brandybuck's. Exact same M.O.: wax rhapsodically about the good old days when libertarians knew their place, then drop a single, smug, highly provocative and profoundly ignorant comment. Somehow manages to make the dude who drops an upper decker at parties seem sophisticated.
Nah, Vanneman has been around forever.
So she's duping the left?
I wouldn’t even call it duping-she proudly accepted Dick Cheney’s endorsement. The left are so TDS stricken that they think this is a good thing.
https://www.axios.com/2024/09/22/national-security-officials-endorse-harris
big deal, at least these guys aren’t… the same spooks who signed off on the ‘hunter laptop disinfo psyop
To those "national security officials" endorsing Ms. Democracy remember the saying:
'Drag a hundred dollar bill thru a 3 letter agency trailer park and you know exactly what kind of person you'll attract'
she was nothing as a prosecutor. produce a record.
“However “woke” you think Kamala Harris is, and she wasn’t all that woke as a prosecutor. She believes in the rule of law, and Trump does not.”
Her office had 1900 black men convicted on marijuana charges during her reign as
Mayor Willie’s cum bucketDA. More than any other DA before or after her.Is that what you’re talking about?
"The Coming Vindication of the Double-Haters"
It takes a raging case of TDS to equate Trump with Cackles.
Long TDS.
long TDS maybe, but small dicks. something has to explain the Beta-males-4-Kammy astroturf movement
(or was that just a societal bowel movement...?)
Americans like freedom, and the GOP has mostly abandoned the field when it comes to liberty-promoting policy proposals and rhetoric.
What would Reason or KMW know about freedom or what Americans would want?
Their idea of freedom is reluctantly and strategically voting in favor of the moderate candidate that spouts platitudes that they know (or should) will be null and void the second the EC votes are certified. Their idea of freedom is getting handouts and protections for specific classes to distribute the consequences of their actions and desires onto society at large to make everyone more free in a distinct ‘arbeit macht’ sense. Their idea of freedom is telling Americans that it’s OK to mostly peacefully riot and burn down minority businesses in favor of Black Lives but, otherwise, you have to stay inside and avoid, churches, bars, schools, concerts, outdoor parks, etc., etc., etc. in order to protect grandma from COVID (but certain week-long where you might contract m-pox *and* COVID are OK because it’s the FDA’s fault you can’t get a vaccine for both diseases). Explicitly, knowingly, and relatively unfailingly along the way.
The magazine has consistently, for the last almost 8 yrs., set the lowest of bars for liberty-sacrificing, progressive-conforming, pro-socialist-globalist, libertarian-brand propagandizing.
Only one TEAM is pursuing bans on gas stoves, ICE-powered vehicles, proven energy generation. traditional foods and firearms.
Only one team has consistently proven the ability to break through 30+ yrs. of super-duper-legal-precedence, acknowledge that there are actually fine people who haven’t done anything wrong other than maybe appreciate the “wrong” side of history, and recognize that they people forcing the "right" side of history and looking the other way when it gets someone killed aren’t more virtuous despite their self-aggrandizement.
Harris: weak, flip-flopper, lucky to be the candidate, not entirely honest, no intellectual depth, appeals to wokesters
Trump: rapidly encroaching senility, crook, sexual predator, cheat, insurrectionist, entirely dishonest, no intellect, appeals to white supremacists, Christian nationalists, and neo-Nazis
It's a bad choice but not an equal one.
just soft balling it in there, huh?
ChRisTiAn nAtiOnALisTS,
and neo-Nazis
Who love the Jews, right?
Say, is it MAGA or Democrats that are attacking Jews in the streets of New York and breaking the windows of Jewish owned businesses right now?
SRG2: Lying pile of TDS-addled shit.
Easy choice: FOAD, asshole.
None of the Above 2024
>Some of us are longtime double-haters in good standing.
Are you really though?
Are you really a 'double-hater' if you believe that you must, strategically but reluctantly, vote for Harris, after you did so for Biden? And Obama?
Because to me that just sounds like being a Democrat.
KMW is a non-voter.
I get all my legal advice from my dentist.
Voting is a profession?
offering voting advice is the operative action here.
As you probably know, I stopped voting when Republicans nominated a gameshow host and the talking heads on talk radio and cable went from being critical of his stupid ideas to fawning over his every word. It happened in the blink of an eye. Totally shameless. A saw the same thing happen in comments sections as listeners fell in line. It continues to his day.
Who’s more trustworthy? Shameless party shills, or someone who refuses to endorse either team? I would go with the latter because they don't have an incentive to lie like the former.
the Nihilists are the best part of Lebowski ...
Always take things by the smooth handle.
Does he provide you with the tooth, the whole tooth, and nothing but the tooth?
>>Policy nihilism is consuming the 2024 election.
do you get the air pumped into your bubble?
...
Oh, horseshit. It's the easiest thing in the world to implement. Instead of people trying to hide their tip income, they simply wouldn't have to declare it. It'd make a lot of people's lives easier, and reduce the federal tax take. Who cares what professional economists and tax policy analysts say about it? Might as well ask vegetarians how to cook meat. Who cares where or how the thought came to Trump?
Voting for anyone who supports genocide is aiding and abetting crimes against humanity. So yeah, not voting for either of the clowns.
Another election where, unless you live in an electoral college swing state, you can safely give the L party a boost. It may not change anything at the moment, but in some states (MA, for example), if a party gets more than 5% of major election, then it has to be allowed to participate in the next election with the same privileges as the two big-name parties.
And if nothing else, it allows you to look your fellow in the eye when the SHTF and say "I didn't vote for him (her)".
I would have no problem looking someone in the eye and saying I voted R in this election…. it isn’t even close! The whole idea behind the preamble for everyones excuses is “Ooooh both are so bad!” That's a cop out. As people have mentioned above – not even close to equivalence. And as to your virtue, well that will be a great comfort as you hold on to a turd for boyancy while you are circling the toilet bowl…faster and faster. But then again, vote for faster flush speeds if you like, its your dime.
Yes. At this point, the L party is a distraction and a virtue-signaling device for those who claim to want perfection as opposed to far, far better.
This
Congress, if it could muster the will to avert our looming presidential election debacle, still could give us an alternative to filling the oval office with either of two dreadful major party candidates, neither of whom is wanted there by most citizens.
A reasonably responsible legislative branch still could enact what in golfing is called a Mulligan – another shot when the initial one was poorly played.
This could be done by immediately changing the federal election laws to require that every presidential ballot contain a None of the Above choice. And the measure should provide that if that option received a plurality of the votes cast, the office would remain vacant until a new election were held something like 90 days out. The rejected candidates would be ineligible for listing on ballots in the new election. Each of the contending political parties thus would have an opportunity to nominate an eligible new (and hopefully acceptable) candidate.
The amended election law also could provide for the executive function in the intervening period to be exercised jointly by the speaker of the House and the Senate majority leader, with any deadlock being resolved by the sitting governor of whichever state had the lowest percentage difference in the votes cast for the two rejected top candidates.
The time for action is nigh as an overwhelming majority of American citizens understand that our major political parties have limited our current presidential choices to two competing catastrophes.
"Congress, if it could muster the will to avert our looming presidential election debacle, still could give us an alternative to filling the oval office with either of two dreadful major party candidates, neither of whom is wanted there by most citizens.:
One (Trump), by his efforts in his term of office, proved to be the best POTUS in the last 100 years, a fact routinely ignored by steaming piles of TDS-addled shit.
FOAD, asshole.
The pox on both houses routine is getting old. I’m not voting for a party that allowed two assassination attempt on a political candidate, escalated WW3, lied to the American public about the mental fitness of their president, prosecutes political enemies out of thin air, and does absolutely nothing in the face of a crippling natural disaster and looming port strike. The border mismanagement and sympathizing with Hamas ALONE are disqualifying. These are systemic and moral failures of unprecedented level.
“We’re going to cripple you” This is what the miscreant who heads the longshoremen union said publicly. Threatening his fellow countrymen in a time of crisis and holding the country hostage to prevent automation. You want me to vote for a brain dead president who spends 90% of his time on a beach who allowed this kind of division with his unending projection of weakness and incompetence?
You could make a laundry list of bad policy of Abraham Lincoln and Jefferson Davis to create some illusion that both sides are bad. Lincoln suspended habeas corpus. Minus one point. Jefferson Davis led a nation founded on slavery. Also minus one point. Wait what? Yeah, this is stupid. Trump’s tip proposal in no ways compare to the overall agenda of the radical left. Who’s putting people in jail over memes?
There are more to society than just spending and immigrants. Why, just ask immigrants – they’re trending Trump, despite years of conventional wisdom that said GOP had to cave in to amnesty to appeal to this demo. On this very forum, we said open borders would actually hurt Latinos. We were proven more right than any “double haters”
A reasonable person can admit that there are palpable problems with both Major candidates and parties, one of whom will win over any other party no matter what, but a reasonable person can look at the four past years, federal and blue state, of untenable unaffordable illegal immigration, the unrighteous attempts at dismantling law and order, the coddling of victimful crime and the extreme persecution of victimless crime, doing everything wrong on inflation, and putting on an untouchable pedestal DEI, formerly known as political correctness - and let us not forget who spearheaded and prolonged Covid lockdown nightmares; and truly feel that there is nothing more righteous right now than seeing the purveyors of all this - the Democrats - get thoroughly spanked come November.