TikTok Goes to Court
Plus: The media reacts to the second Trump assassination attempt.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit heard TikTok's defense on Monday, as the social media company sought to persuade the three-judge panel that Congress's attempts to ban the platform are a violation of the First Amendment.
It's not clear that the judges were persuaded. Judge Neomi Rao, a Trump appointee, and Judge Douglas Ginsburg, a Reagan appointee, both seemed skeptical of TikTok's argument that Congress lacked the authority to force a sale of the app to a U.S.-based company.
"I know Congress doesn't legislate all the time, but here they did," said Rao. "They actually passed a law. And many of your arguments want us to treat them like they're an agency."
The federal government's initial attempts to ban TikTok took place under the Trump administration. In August of 2020, President Donald Trump issued an executive order that required TikTok's Chinese-owned parent company, ByteDance, to sell the app to a U.S.-based firm. President Joe Biden cancelled that executive order, but instructed his administration to investigate whether concerns about Chinese malfeasance on the platform were justified.
Then, in March of 2024, Congress passed legislation to again force the sale, and Biden signed it. Trump has since changed his tune on TikTok, and now claims—not wrongly—that banning TikTok would reduce competition and enhance Meta's dominance.
But unless TikTok prevails in court, the app will be banned by the end of the year unless it finds a U.S. buyer. Failing that, the iPhone app store will be forced to stop updating, and eventually carrying, the app. That's the real First Amendment question at stake: Can the U.S. government prohibit Americans from creating, viewing, and engaging with the speech on the platform?
"The speech on TikTok is not Chinese speech," said Jeffrey Fisher, an attorney for TikTok, during the Monday hearing. "It is American speech."
U.S. actors who claim that TikTok is a national security threat have generally failed to explain precisely what they mean, though it is of course possible that the Chinese government—a repressive, authoritarian regime—uses its influence over the company to promote propaganda or anti-American speech. That's bad, but censoring propaganda isn't the answer; let people view it, if they wish to.
Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.) has called the TikTok ban a "disturbing gift of unprecedented authority to President Biden and the Surveillance State that threatens the very core of American digital innovation and free expression." He's exactly right. The federal government cannot be trusted with the authority to police social media platforms. We already know what federal bureaucrats will do with such power: use it to censor contrarian and provocative speech.
No matter how the Court of Appeals rules, the case is likely to make its way before the Supreme Court.
A second assassination attempt against former President Donald Trump inspired some truly awful takes. Rachel Vindman, wife of Trump impeachment witness Alexander Vindman, wrote on X, "No ears were harmed. Carry on with your Sunday afternoon." She later deleted the comment.
Former Republican Congressman turned anti-Trump CNN commentator Adam Kinzinger seemed to imply that it the assassination attempt was Trump's own fault because he has used violent rhetoric.
Look violent rhetoric is wrong, and has no place.
But MAGA pretending they didn't light this fire is gaslighting to the 100th power. Since Trump showed up our politics has gone to crap.
Literally just accused a group of people of eating our pets.
So stop
— Adam Kinzinger (Slava Ukraini) ???????????????????????? (@AdamKinzinger) September 16, 2024
Trump, for his part, lost no time in blaming the thwarted attack on his own political enemies, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
"Their rhetoric is causing me to be shot at, when I am the one who is going to save the country, and they are the ones that are destroying the country—both from the inside and out," Trump told Fox News.
Politicians on both sides of the aisle love to blame violent rhetoric for real-world violence. For years, Democrats wrongly attributed the horrific shooting of former Rep. Gabby Giffords (D–Ariz.) to conservative rhetoric. Now the shoe is on the other foot, and Trump and his supporters have unhesitatingly embrace an argument they correctly found ridiculous several news cycles ago.
When deranged lunatics do violent things, lay the blame on those who are actually responsible(the deranged lunatics)—not other people's speech.
Two of the worst headlines responding to the assassination attempt came from The Cincinnati Enquirer and TIME magazine. An opinion piece in The Enquirer held that "There is no place in politics for violence. That said, the former president, Donald Trump, brings a lot of this stuff on himself."
Meanwhile, TIME wrote that the alleged shooter—Ryan Wesley Routh—had an "unclear political ideology." This could not be further from the truth. Routh was outspoken on social media, was interviewed by the mainstream media—including The New York Times and Semafor—and self-published a book. He is very clearly a one-time Republican who now hates Trump, is fanatically pro-Ukraine and anti-Russia, and vigorously supports Biden and Harris. That doesn't mean Democratic anti-Trump rhetoric is to blame for the shooting, but no one should pretend that his ideology is some giant mystery. It's not.
Scenes from Washington, D.C.
Washington D.C. City Council Member Trayon White—who once claimed that the Rothschilds were responsible for a bad snow storm in the city—was arrested on suspicion of taking bribes.
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- Police arrested Sean Combs for alleged sex trafficking.
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- Would-be Trump assassin Ryan Routh hid in the bushes for nearly 12 hours before Secret Service apprehended him.
- Don't expect to know who won Pennsylvania on Election Night.
- Republicans are frustrated with House Speaker Mike Johnson (R–La.).
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"Trump, for his part, lost no time in blaming the thwarted attack on his own political enemies, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris."
I mean, the would-be assassin had a Biden-Harris bumper sticker on his truck.
The own from the very low watt internet folks has been "BUT HES A REPUBLICAN!!!" as if we didnt just have dick fucking Cheney endorse Harris pretty much solidifying this isnt an R/D issue its an establishment vs Trump issue
It is amusing how many anti-establishment aging hippies and their freakish young "radical" spawn are now lining up to support the government machine.
It just goes to show you that their former liberal stances were always just a pose.
And, I mean, there's truthiness about eating pets in a debate and then there's "Who do you think was trying to kill you *this* time?" less than a week after getting shot at.
It's not like he blamed Russia for blowing up NS1 and 2 or positively testified that COVID couldn't have come from a lab or anything.
Kamala called him a threat just 5 days before. Media continues to call him Hitler and a threat after the 2nd attempt.
But can't mention that.
This isn't symbols on a map. This is repeated rhetoric day in and day out.
Hillary just yesterday
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTDU6mft5RI
Cunt. (It's my word of the day.)
Oh, and speaking of blaming your political enemies for inflammatory rhetoric:
It turns out that all of those Ohio bomb threats that Dana Bash spent 5 straight minutes trying to blame on JD Vance, every single one of them, turns out to have been hoax / prank calls from a 'single overseas country', according to the governor of Ohio.
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1835883988021309785
Government did more investigation here than they did to determine credible reports from citizens.
It was (D)ifferent.
"Police arrested Sean Combs for alleged sex trafficking."
Wait, so we got, and are still sometimes getting, "formerly known as Twitter" following X, every fucking time, but we are just going to throw out Sean Combs like the entire world doesn't mostly know him as Diddy +/- P?!
(D)iddy
Before all that he was originally known as Puff Daddy when he made his first big break after the death of the Notorious B.I.G.
(D)iddy
And epically involved with Democrat higher ups and their butt-boy celebrity pals, fucking Epstein junior.
Any bets who “kills himself” first? This asshole or Trump’s latest would be shooter?
Pretty hilarious that Katt Williams brought this up completely unprovoked in his interview with Shannon Sharpe, and just a few months later the guy is looking at getting the R. Kelly treatment.
Would-be Trump assassin Ryan Routh hid in the bushes for nearly 12 hours before Secret Service apprehended him.
Camping has always been a cheese strat.
Secret service should have deployed UAV, but they haven't hit the kill streak reward. Maybe the next guy will use claymores at a chokepoint.
I've read that you can get a buzz from eating the explosive in claymores.
He is very clearly a one-time Republican who now hates Trump
That's not entirely clear, either. What he has said is that he voted for Trump in 2016 because he didn't like Hillary. He originally was supporting Bernie Sanders in the Democratic primary that year.
Which doesn't exactly scream 'Republican!' to me.
Which doesn’t exactly scream ‘Republican!’ to me.
But compared to the way it doesn't exactly scream 'Libertarian!' either...
Exactly, he's a never Hillary Democrat, not a Republican.
I’m shocked he turned out to be another Bernie Bro.
What he has said is that he voted for Trump in 2016 because he didn’t like Hillary
And that’s just a claim he made in his book, which seems to have vanished online, at least from my Google searches (was going to post a link, supposedly it’s a rant against Trump and a clarion call to go help fight for the Ukraine).
Hmmm…
Would-be Trump assassin Ryan Routh hid in the bushes for nearly 12 hours before Secret Service apprehended him.
Yawn. Call me when he drives across country wearing adult diapers.
Yet another bush supporter backing harris
It’s amazing how all the Bushpigs, Shrike included, are backing Harris.
She showed them the Venn diagram of neocons and Trump supporters.
Shrike supported Harris once Dick Cheney got behind her.
You never wanna let Dick get behind you. Or in front of you if you’re hunting.
What is more dangerous: Hunting with Kamala Harris’ backer Dick Cheney -or- shooting on location with Alec Baldwin?
To be fair, who hasn’t gotten behind her?
Dick’s hoping she’ll pull a head.
"Kinzinger seemed to imply that it the assassination attempt was Trump's own fault because he has used violent rhetoric."
Exactly.
Did you see how he was dressed? He was asking for it.
You know he really wanted it.
Are the Vegas odds taking potential assassination into account?
I believe there are now multiple bet categories specifically on whether or not he makes it to election an inaug alive
Mark my words, they will shoot down his plane. If Trump survives to the election, neither he or Vance will make it to the inauguration.
So Mike Johnson becomes president? The Speaker of the House is next in line after the VP.
I know this is hard to believe, but Joe Biden is still president. There is no precedent for a president dying between the election and the inauguration—not sure what would happen then. Of course, there is virtually no chance of Trump winning the election, regardless of how people vote.
Believe it would go to Congress to address on January 6.
And the new Congress is inaugurated on Jan. 3. So if there are shenanigans again in this election, and the "counted votes" put the Dems as the winner of the House, that Dem majority on Jan 6 (inaugurated three days earlier) would decide who becomes president if no candidate gets a majority (270) of the electoral college votes or the one who won is no longer alive. However, the House would vote by state delegation, so each state represented in the House would have one vote, and it would need to be a majority (26 states) to select the president. If a state has an even number of seats in the House, say 12, but evenly split between Rs and Ds, I don't know how that tie would be broken to decide how that state would vote in this situation.
I've heard that the Republicans would likely still control the majority of states, even if the Dems have a slim majority of overall members of the House, but I'm not sure, and don't know how to look it up without devoting serious time that I don't have. I'm guessing it would be true, though, since states like Wyoming, which has one US Representative, would count as one vote, the same as CA that has dozens of Representatives.
No, all Congress can do then is certify the result of the electoral college vote. As far as I know, there is no statutory process for what happens if the winning candidates have died.
A little pedantic here, but, regarding Trump, before the inauguration, he would be the President-Elect not the President.
Hmm? What happens in the case of a death between the election and inauguration is specified.
First, we have the 20th Amendment, Section 3:
"If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified."
Then we have 3 U.S. Code § 19(a)(1):
"If, by reason of death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify, there is neither a President nor Vice President to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President, then the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, upon his resignation as Speaker and as Representative in Congress, act as President."
Between them, we see that since both the President elect and Vice President elect are dead (and thus the Vice President elect doesn't qualify), the Speaker of the House resigns and acts as President.
This is actually more solid than the succession due to simultaneous death in office because the 20th Amendment says "person", while Article II, Section 1, Clause 6, says "Officer", and while it is disputed by some lawyers whether the Speaker of the House is an "Officer" within the meaning of the Constitution, he's definitely a "person".
And then the gloves will come off. Every Trump supporter will have their fears confirmed. "If they can do it to Trump, no one is safe."
And it will be at that point Civil War 2.0 starts in earnest. It’s almost as if the Democrats/deep state want it to happen. In that case, they need to remember the axiom about being careful about what they wish for as they might just get it.
I've been saying that here for a couple of years. They want to start a civil war because they believe that our armed forces and federal law enforcement can quickly suppress an insurrection, and then they'll have their excuse to go to martial law and full bore fascism.
But it will be good fascism, with DEI and social justice and Climate Action and womyn-in-charge and everything.
Might be mistaken about that first part....and...would the military really all support the Leftists?
The military will support whoever they think will win. They won't want to be without a seat when the music stops.
Most military members have at least in the past come from red states. In the case of aa civil war I would expect a 25-50% desertion rate making the military ineffective. Furthermore most military bases are in red states so I would not be surprised if those bases immediately surrendered to all of the state militaries. And finally most of the food comes from red states. Within a couple weeks I would expect food riots in the blue cities. CW2 would be over quicker than most might believe.
Trump will not be permitted to become president again. The election doesn't matter. Whether it's by imprisoning him, disqualifying him, or just killing him, they'll do whatever is necessary to keep him out of the White House.
Mark my words, they will shoot down his plane
Well that’s bullshit, they would need F-16s, uhhh…
Kinzinger turned off comments because he knows how truly awful his statement was. Particularly become he knows how hate-filled and violent his own rhetoric was.
Sometimes the hypocrisy of the machine amazes me, although it shouldn't, because hypocrisy is the point. Its a tool purposefully deployed for several reasons.
On of which is it's a display of power for disheartening opponents. We can lie about you, call you a threat to humanity and foment violence against you, and then when you're harmed by our rhetoric, we can flip it around and say it's your fault for fomenting violence and you're getting your comeuppance.
And the corporate press will 100% relay our narrative and you will sit there intimidated and flabbergasted.
"Hang Mike Pence", right, right-wing agitator who just DESPISES political violence? Whenever shit is deployed aginst YOUR Sacred Tribe, at least, that is!
What you’re doing here is exactly what I’m talking about.
As we’ve shown your psychotic ass a million times. You know that story was a lie.
You’ve seen the video now. One Ray Epps plant yelling it and the rest of the crowd telling him to shut up and fuck off.
You know it was a lie. That’s why you have to post links from three years ago.
But you use your lies to justify your violent rhetoric against him. Disgusting hypocrisy really.
He never whines aboyt that pipe b9mb found the same day.
Your cite fell off! Also note the below...
Butt, whatabout that them thar whatabouts? Whatabout Hillary? Whatabout OJ Simpson?
How many brain cells does it take to run a socio-political simulation on the following:
Judge and Jury: “Murderer, we find you guilty of murder! 20 years in the hoosegow for YOU! Now OFF with ye!”
Murderer: “But OJ Simpson got off for murder, why not me? We’re all equal, and need to be treated likewise-equal!”
Judge and Jury: “Oh, yes, sure, we forgot about that! You’re free to go! Have a good life, and try not to murder too many MORE people, please! Goodbye!”
Now WHERE does this line of thinking and acting lead to? Think REALLY-REALLY HARD now, please! What ABOUT OJ Simpson, now? Can we make progress towards peace & justice in this fashion?
(Ass for me, I think we should have PUT THE SQUEEZE on OJ!)
You have such a hissy fit over what some asshole said one day.
Twatabouts (like YOU!) are part of the problem, and NOT a part of the solution!!! They did shit first, so YOU can do TWATEVER YOU WANT!!!!
Sqrlsy, you’re a has-been bore of a commenter who can’t seem to make a proper argument even with oodles of copypasta at your disposal. Maybe if you ate a bit less of your own shit, you might come close to making a halfway coherent sentence.
Trump ENDLESSLY supports political violence!
Trump says execute General Milley… https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/28/politics/milley-donald-trump-execution-comment/index.html
Milley says Trump disrespected US military with execution comment
Was this, too, all made-up bullshit from the FBI and the Lizard People, perhaps?
By law Milley would be executed, if Milley did what he said he was going to do with the Chinese general.
Secretly telling the enemy about the attack plans in advance would probably be the most treasonous act by any general in history.
Milley should have been dishonorably discharged at the very least for what he said to the Chinese general, by any measure.
You’re an evil retard for thinking what Milley did was even partially right.
SQRLSY supporting actual treason seems very on brand.
Sooooo... Then having the Chinese NUKE us out of fear of The Precious Wonder Child Trump going MORE bonkers would have been a GOOD thing? In any case, I do NOT see You (THIS time at least!) denying that Trump supports political violence on His (perceived) enemies!!! You mean THIS shit was NOT made up, THIS time, by the Lizard People? And will You also see that the moon landings were REAL?
Is trying someone for treason and then carrying out the punishment prescribed by law political violence?
And do you really believe that Milley saved us from being nuked by the Chinese? What was Trump going to do in your fevered little imagination?
Telling a General NOT to even TALK to a potential adversary (for purposes of keeping the peace) is speech cuntrol in the first degree! If you have charges, please bring them ON!!!
Why didn't Trump bring charges, instead of just making noisy, blustery threats, ass usual?
You've harped on how much of a threat Trump's "classified" documents were, but see no problem with the top US General saying he would leak to a target country's generals the upcoming attack plans? You really have lost your mind over Trump.
"...the upcoming attack plans?"
We're planning a nuclear attack on China? Yes, we always have CONTINGENCY PLANS on file... That does NOT mean that our attack is imminent!!! No way, no how!
Do you (or ANYONE else) have ANY evidence that General Milley revealed ANY of our CONTINGENCY PLANS? If so, then WHY are ye NOT presenting your "evidence"?
If you would write comments in English instead of retard baby-talk it might be easier and people might read them instead of dismissing you as a retard. Just a thought.
But if no one had any plan to imminently attack China, then what was good about Milley talking to them? Members of the military don't have free speech in their official capacities. Their job is to do what the civilian authorities tell them to do.
Milley said that he would notify China first before the US attacked, IF THERE WERE TO BE AN ATTACK ORDERED BY TRUMP.
There weren't attack plans by Trump. Milley was just stating his treasonous intent, in the event that there were to be an attack imminent.
What is so hard to follow? You should know the specifics already, as you are the one who brought up the Milley story.
Do you (or ANYONE else) have ANY evidence that General Milley revealed ANY of our CONTINGENCY PLANS? If so, then WHY are ye NOT presenting your “evidence”?
Is your "evidence" perhaps just retarded baby talk?
"Milley said that he would notify China first before the US attacked, IF THERE WERE TO BE AN ATTACK ORDERED BY TRUMP."
Citation please? Also please clarify if ye are in FAVOR of surprise nuclear attacks? When, and why? "My tribe, right or wrong", perhaps? In support of Emperors Gone Batty, perhaps, if bat-shit crazy favors MY Tribe? Trump-Putin Love Children AGREE; where do YOU stand, Dirty Hippy infidel-apostate-TRAITOR?
Fucking Retard:
Milley admits he would tell Chinese general if US launched an attack
US general called China over fears Trump could order war: Report
"US General Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called General Li Zuocheng of the People’s Liberation Army on October 30, 2020 ... and again on January 8 ... the newspaper reported. Milley made the comments on Tuesday.
In the calls, Milley sought to assure Li the United States was stable and not going to attack and if there were to be an attack, he would alert his counterpart ahead of time, the report said.
To be clear, I am not saying that Milley committed treason or should be executed right now. But he did apparently suggest that he might commit treason under the right circumstances.
Now, maybe you think that's a good thing and it could save us from nuclear war or something. But I think that is fairly absurd, and the fact that Trump left office on the appointed day with no problems seems to support that take.
https://time.com/5388648/watergate-nixon-anonymous-op-ed/
An Anonymous Trump Official Claims Insiders Are ‘Thwarting’ Him. That May Have Happened to Nixon Too
If madmen and their lusts for nuclear war are thwarted by rules-breakers, then I, for one, am GLAD not to get nuked!!! Break the rules, PLEASE, instead of breaking the human species, and Government Almighty knows HOW many other species, too, along with the “collateral damage”! Please forgive me for my benevolence and lusts for survival of the humans, and of other species!
Decided to ignore the link I gave you that proves Milley offered to be a traitor to a Chinese general, I see.
You're honest like that, aren't you, Shillsy.
The shitmuncher went full Dumbfuck Hihnsano today.
You evil death-lusting fuckers really just LOVE nuclear war, don't you? Twatever Trump cummands, ye slavishly LOVE shit!
Yes, all of the regulars KNOW that You are Pervfectly Paranoid, and believe that ALL of the world (except Your PervFect Flunkies, imaginary armies of them) cuntspires against ye! Audio of Dear Leader is doubtless FAKES from the Lizard People!
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-defends-jan-6-rioters-hang-mike-pence-chant-newly-n1283798
Trump defends Jan. 6 rioters’ ‘hang Mike Pence’ chant in new audio
The audio captured part of an interview ABC News’ Jonathan Karl conducted with Trump at Mar-a-Lago in March for Karl’s upcoming book.
You know it's a lie. Why do you keep pushing the lie? ABC news doesn't even stand by that reporting anymore.
Your cite fell off! Were the moon landings ALSO fakes from the Lizard People?
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2023-03-11/pence-says-trump-endangered-my-family-on-jan-6
Pence says Trump ‘endangered my family’ in Capitol riot on Jan. 6
There's a ZILLION links out there about this!!! WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS, evil LIAR and Servant and Serpent of the Evil One?
The fucking video with the guy shouting to hang pence and everyone else telling him to shut up itself is my cite.
Not some propaganda piece by and extreme progressive politruk.
And how did Trump “endanger” Pence’s family? From your own fucking article you never bothered to read:
“And (Trump’s) reckless words endangered my family and everyone at the Capitol that day”
rEcKlesS wOrDS
It’s not reckless for you fucks to call someone Hitler until your acolytes start shooting at him and his supporters, but for Trump to say that Pence could have withheld certification? That was totes dangerous.
You clowns aren’t just evil, you’re also retarded.
"The fucking video with the guy shouting to hang pence and everyone else telling him to shut up itself is my cite."
Your Pervfectly IMAGINARY CITE from the Lizard People? The SAME Lizard People who faked the moon landing, and TRICKED us all into believing that the world is NOT flat, and that vaccines actually WORK to prevent human deaths and suffering?
And now you engage in more strawman arguments. If you equate ML's statements to that of crazies raving about Lizard People, you don't have to actually engage in the argument.
Jefferson Paul has ZERO reputable links and they (links) are ALL over the internet, that Trump DID support "Hang Mike Pence"! Oh, and the Earth is roughly spherical, too, by the way, and humans DID land on the moon, and come back!
Do you want to try again without the ridiculous strawman arguments? And preferably without any jejune word substitution.
Jefferson Paul has ZERO reputable links and they (links) are ALL over the internet, that Trump DID support “Hang Mike Pence”!
FILL THE VOID, please, Jefferson Paul!!! (“They are all lies” scarcely does shit. ANY moron can say that!)
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/25/trump-hang-mike-pence-chant-jan-6
With photo of a makeshift gallows set up by Trumpanzees gone apeshit! All are the works of the Lizard People?
Now search for the pictures of the guys who set up the gallows a day before. They are out there.
Notice the pictures of them at the FBI cafeteria on the hill as well?
Then read this:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/new-suspicions-on-who-built-jan-6-gallows/ar-AA1izutj
Your "lizard people" are called the FBI.
You and Your PervFect Lizard People will believe TWATEVER YOU WANT to BLEEVE, True Cuntspiracy BLEEVER!!!
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/01/04/fact-check-roundup-many-false-narratives-jan-6-insurrection/9052900002/ From there, “The claim: FBI operatives organized the attack on the U.S. Capitol
Our rating: False
There’s no evidence “unindicted co-conspirators” listed in federal charging documents related to the Jan. 6 attack are undercover FBI agents or federal informants. Legal experts say the term can’t be used to describe undercover government operatives. Rioters have been identified by authorities as Trump supporters, conspiracy theorists and members of far-right groups.” Read more = https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/25/fact-check-no-evidence-fbi-organized-jan-6-capitol-riot/7753276002/
But that theory relies on a false assumption: that anyone identified as an "unindicted co-conspirator" in charging documents is a government agent. In fact, legal experts say that term cannot be used to describe FBI agents or undercover government operatives. Charging documents and other evidence indicate that the Jan. 6 rioters included Trump supporters, conspiracy theorists and members of far-right groups.
I got that quote from the original article linked to the one you listed. The debunking is that the "unindicted co-conspirators" listed in the charging documents of those charged are not government agents. It does NOT mean that there were no undercover government agents acting as provocateurs.
Even Wray said there were agents and assets present, but refused to say how many, as "it's an ongoing investigation."
So if this is true, then WHY did Dear Leader support said "agents and assets present" in calling for the hanging of Mike Pence? Did the "agents and assets present" mind-cuntrol Dear Leader in calling for political violence?
So then shit seems that Trump can’t even cuntrol His Own FBI… Because of the Deep State, the Amphibian People, or both? And then to top shit ALL off, Trump cun’t even cuntrol HIMSELF enough to NOT call out for political violence, in the form of “Hang Mike Pence”!
The Emperor is NAKED, damn shit!
Trump didn't say, "Hang Mike Pence," no matter how many times you claim it.
I guess, according to you, if a government official says something, it's not to be questioned, and needs to be believed absolutely. I admire your courage to come out as an authoritarian on a purportedly libertarian website.
True Bleevers WILL and SWILL bleeve! I can do nothing to prevent shit! BLEEVE twat ye swill!!!!
True Bleevers WILL and SWILL bleeve!
That's you, clowntits.
You've been given shitloads of evidence that contradicts what you were being told by the Democrats and parroting here, but never once have you scratched your chin and said "huh".
"Trump didn’t say, “Hang Mike Pence,”... Say those Omniscient Beings who have faithfully attended to EVERY word that shit has EVER uddered!!!! ALL HAIL the All-Knowing Beings!!!
Dear Leader Trump cun't cuntrol His Own FBI, and cunt SNOT cuntrol His Own Lips when He says "Hang Mike Pence"... I duly and faithfully scratch my chin and say “huh”.
Welp, I think I'll just let your last two posts be my argument.
Actually, factually, Your PervFected Cuntspiracy theories cum from GMO batty-bats genetically designed to PervFect us all!
https://c.zenithfacts.com/ayl/en-47462?utm_source=taboola&utm_campaign=42329245&utm_content=4035171554&utm_medium=iflscience-iflscience&utm_cost=Ikt93EiDhl9KR0flceuGe0AWFUI4oWsXDj3jnzUVO0A%3D&utm_mb=xss&tblci=GiBTRvmIuxkq0A2csYa_CPijTQx6_tSXq3xFGQ4hPGLnISCLkVoo-Z-llq-TzeC4ATDG6Fs&ds=ZF-ZF-ZF&lo=ym_d&r=1#section-60
Here Robby pretends Harris, Biden and all of the media do not routinely call Trump an existential threat to "our democracy" like the gaslighting leftist he is. Sorry Robby but you are intentionally priming those crazies to act out some savior complex by murdering the guy you label a threat to existence.
And the Left show no signs of stopping or even moderating their rhetoric. The guy seriously used the phrase "threat to democracy" and there wasn't even the slightest bit of reflection. I'd put it at above 50% that someone else again tries to assassinate Trump before the election and a near guarantee that it will should Trump win.
Trump will not be allowed to win.
The only way to protect democracy is to ensure that only one election outcome is possible.
Reminder. Democrats can never be guilty of stochastic terrorism.
Breaking911
@Breaking911
REP. PLASKETT: "[Trump] needs to be shot, stopped."
Video
https://x.com/Breaking911/status/1835769006768460210
Paging Dr. Freud…
It was Dems who came up with the idea of stochastoc terrorism.
They do love The Science.
Did you the LPNH X post about Harris and Oliver’s response to it?
Edit: lol, should have scrolled a little more.
Jeremy Kauffman
@jeremykauffman
The FBI visited my house today for free speech acts they knew were not crimes.
You can see the shame on their faces.
This is the Democratic regime manifest.
Video
https://x.com/jeremykauffman/status/1835782658091102608
It's hard to be the Stasi when the state is not yet a one party state. Don't worry fellows, 2030 is only 5 1/2 years away.
Also, being that we have the 2A, any encounter in any rando's house could be one that a gov agent catches a bullet. That is precisely the reason the founders wrote it.
Its why they could show up at your door and take you to a COVID camp in other countries, and they wouldnt dare try it in America (yet)
And its also precisely the reason all totalitarian states make their first order of business disarming the populace.
And its also precisely the reason all totalitarian states make their first order of business disarming the populace.
100% fact. They want you compliant, in prison, or dead. There are no exceptions.
That was beautiful how he handled these two dipshits. Many suspect that these were not actual agents as they were dressed in plainclothes and refused to show any identification. They may have just been political goons.
Didn’t you see his badge?! It was the real deal, it totally didn’t come from passing safety patrol.
I thought the badge was bought at Party City. Maybe it was Spirit Halloween instead.
I've seen too many of these videos of plainclothes agents showing up at peoples' homes to question them about online posts to believe they aren't with the FBI. The first one I saw, about a year or two ago, I thought what you thought. But in each one I've seen, it resembled this interaction.
Yup, and they know they're breaking the law too, you can see it in their faces. That's why they don't want to identify themselves when someone isn't intimidated.
that the alleged shooter—Ryan Wesley Routh
Wait, we’re giving attempted murderers three-name treatment now?
Mel Gibson, Julia Roberts hardest hit.
Inflation hits all things with Bidenomics
And not even a hyphen.
Ree Tardy Oswald
Economy is booming. Ask shrike.
unusual_whales
@unusual_whales
BREAKING: Announced job cuts totaled 75,891 in August, 193% higher than July, per CNBC.
Though the total was just 1% higher than the same month in 2023, it was the highest number for August going back to 2009, during the global financial crisis.
Economy
Layoffs jump in August while hiring in 2024 is at a historic low, Challenger report shows
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/05/layoffs-jump-in-august-while-hiring-in-2024-is-at-a-historic-low-challenger-reports-shows.html#:~:text=For%20the%20week%20ended%20Aug,is%20softening%2C”%20Challenger%20said.
Even the press had to finally admit that all the "job growth" was going to non-citizens, while citizen job numbers plummeted.
And the neocons wonder why people in small towns just won't lie back and think of England.
New Australian misinformation law is a fucking doozy. Jeffsarc applauds.
https://pjmedia.com/benbartee/2024/09/14/australia-codifies-misinformation-ban-in-anti-free-speech-law-n4932517
The proposed bill, which targets misinformation related to elections, public health, and critical infrastructure, requires tech companies to establish codes of conduct.
Platforms failing to self-regulate will face standards imposed by the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA), which would oversee enforcement. This could include fines of up to 5% of total global revenue for platforms that fail to comply with the new rules.
How can you fine global revenue?
Hypothetically what happens if Australia says "You are being fined 100 Million dollars"? Can Musk tell 'em to suck it and pull out like in Brazil? What legal obligation would he have to pay it?
They're then going to block overseas platforms that fail to comply with their censorship laws. Trudeau is trying to ram the same thing through up here (except even worse).
How do we stop Davos? How do we get its fascist claws out of the west?
How much would Putin charge for an "off-course" missile or two?
BTW, when is the next Davos circle jerk?
You mean they stopped for a break at some point?
The whole world is their soggy cracker.
Get some orange slices and a capri-sun, then jump back in there.
Nuke it from orbit?
For the purposes of this Schedule, serious harm is…harm to public health in Australia, including to the efficacy of preventative health measures in Australia;
Need to be prepared for when the next Dr Fauci releases their latest creation.
The west is pretty cooked at this point. Between unchecked importation of the 3rd world, clamoring for a totalitarian state, and signing their own rights away, we are watching the west commit suicide. America is just one step behind these guys (and ahead in some areas)
No, no, no, no! That's just a far right conspiracy. And it's not happening. And it's a really, really, REALLY good thing.
Soldier in combat zone fact checks Kamala. Possibly best ever. But he isn't corporate fact checker, so probably false.
https://x.com/bonchieredstate/status/1834921553982607522
Gotta love all the qualifications around her statement - "active duty, in any combat zone, in any war zone, around the world"
And even with all the bullshit qualifiers, the statement is still bullshit...
This is the same mental functioning demonstrated by shrike, when he repeats the lie that Barry "ended combat in Iraq"
Not only that, but it's notable that Trump was trying to actually ramp back on all that bullshit, only for DoD officials to ignore his orders and keep troops in harms way, anyhow.
Every single official who's kept American troops in a war zone after that should be lined up against a wall and shot.
But Kamala can't lie! She's a woman. She's brown. She's a Democrat. She's a left wing elite hero-savior. Just sayin'.
That is some classic shit right there.
A second assassination attempt against former President Donald Trump inspired some truly awful takes.
That's the worst part of the whole thing.
Since only Democrats can be victims, it makes sense.
Kamalas first post debate softball interview was a disaster. Can't even answer simple questions. Sticks to same debate word salads.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-kamala-harris-gives-trainwreck-answer-simple-question
"Listen, I was always middle class"
- daughter of 2 Berkley professors
What are a few things you will do to stop inflation.
Well I grew up middle class.
Amazing response.
I think it was even more specific, "what do you mean by price controls, and how"
"well listen I grew up middle class...(word salad)..."
Why don't you two morons reminds us what Trump's plans for, say, healthcare are. Has he moved beyond the 'concepts of a plan' stage?
They are both empty vessels who demand that you vote for them mainly on the strength of loathing for the other team. Their biggest policy position is fearmongering.
If you think that presidents should be decided by who scares whom the most, then carry on with the status quo.
"Why don’t you two morons reminds us what Trump’s plans for, say, healthcare are."
Poor analogy, as usual.
Kamala specifically brought up price controls, herself, as the proposed solution to inflation. When asked how this specific solution, that she put forward, would work she responded "look, i was raised middle class...word salad." It is 100% fair game to expect her to elaborate on this, especially since many have noted how much of a colossal failure price controls are for the economy.
If Trump specifically came out and said "ill fix healthcare by creating a single payer system" and then was pushed "but how would your single payer system fix things" then he would owe you the same response.
Seriously bro, work on your analogies, you miss the mark almost every time. Did you really make it through school far enough to be some sort of chemist? I honestly cant imagine it with how poor your verbal reasoning is.
Notice Jeff has a requirement that government stay as much involved in Healthcare as ACA is. But he calls himself libertarian.
To be fair, that is also Shackford's position.
I say that edit from chanel 6 is bullshit but then again the selective edit cutting out her full statement is also bullshit.
But her economic plan is the biggest bull shit of them all.
I saw her first big campaign ad, and it wasn't anything but a warmed-over rehash of her stupid bullshit policies like the no tax on tips thing she stole from Trump, and the price controls on groceries.
I'm not surprised that Trump's staying within striking distance of her, because she's even more of a puppet than Biden was. No wonder the Regime wanted this dumb bitch in charge when she declared back in 2019.
At least Tulsi spared us President Cackles for 4 years.
Didn't reason forget to add things like her wealth tax to compare how bad they are just yesterday?
"Rachel Vindman, wife of Trump impeachment witness Alexander Vindman, wrote on X, "No ears were harmed. Carry on with your Sunday afternoon.""
Fully solidifying that her husband was not likely some brave reluctant patriot as he was painted, but an activist doing everything he could to create an impeachment
She’s a disgusting bitch. She deleted the post only after she caught flak for posting it in the first. What a remorseless piece of shit.
She deleted it after it hit her brother in law who is running for Congress.
The word you are looking for is "cunt".
Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.) has called the TikTok ban a "disturbing gift of unprecedented authority to President Biden...
President who?
No, Hu was the former President of China. Xi is the current one.
1st base!
That’s what he said, Hu’s on first.
"Republicans are frustrated with House Speaker Mike Johnson (R–La.)."
At this point, I'd be surprised if Republicans ever got a Speaker they weren't frustrated with.
Lauren Boebert, I understand, is good at relieving a little frustration.
She's always willing to lend a hand.
"Beetlejuice!"
There is no place in politics for violence. That said-
Uh-oh.
Well, do we have the right to shout "Hitler!" in a crowded election or not?
"The speech on TikTok is not Chinese speech," said Jeffrey Fisher, an attorney for TikTok, during the Monday hearing. "It is American speech."
Silicon Valley has now said it's algorithms for selection of priority on posts is speech. Is it speech or is it not? Is this more 230 magic? Speech when it benefits them, not speech when it doesnt?
U.S. actors who claim that TikTok is a national security threat have generally failed to explain precisely what they mean, though it is of course possible that the Chinese government—a repressive, authoritarian regime—uses its influence over the company to promote propaganda or anti-American speech. That's bad, but censoring propaganda isn't the answer; let people view it, if they wish to.
It is largely Spyware collecting biometrics and information on all citizens. Thought people have been clear about the issue. Don't care if they ban it, but you're an idiot if you use it.
Richard Nixon, father of the war on drugs, apparently said privately that pot was "not particularly dangerous."
WHAT DOES DANGER HAVE TO DO WITH PROHIBITION?
Rachel Vindman, wife of Trump impeachment witness Alexander Vindman,
He was a bit more than a witness. He is the asshat who started the whole thing, then in testimony did so because he said Trump refused to listen to his and the State Departments decisions. He is an awful person.
Vindman would have made a perfect general officer for today's military. It's truly surprising he was passed over.
Certainly in the Royal Marines...
https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/09/15/have-the-royal-marines-gone-woke/
The Sun reports this week that exercises at the Marines’ Commando Training Centre have been the subject of politically correct name changes. Exercises ‘Final Thrust’ and ‘Violent Entry’, now deemed too sexualised for modern mores and norms, have been respectively renamed ‘Commando Forge’ and ‘Green Salamander’.
...
The MoD, however, is determined to encourage DEI initiatives. Scrutinise recent honours lists, and you will find military recipients of MBEs for achievements like transgender inclusion, establishing a ‘defence breastfeeding network’, setting up a Rastafarian network for 20 soldiers and a project to improve hygiene in the field for female soldiers.
Of course, this is not to denigrate the efforts these servicemen and women have made to help improve the lives of others. But the awards and honours heading their way do also show the MoD’s willingness to elevate these endeavours to the same level as deeds like running counter-terror operations, coordinating the recovery of a brigade of armour from Estonia and delivering counter-IED training in Africa – all of which have also earned MBEs for those involved.
It's not like the limeys were exempt from Participation Trophy culture themselves.
I wish the survivors of the Blitz would rise up and slap the DEI brigade to within an inch of its rainbow existence.
When deranged lunatics do violent things, lay the blame on those who are actually responsible(the deranged lunatics)—not other people's speech.
Evidence seems to point to him being a Democrat true believer. Pro Ukraine, thought Trump was a threat to democracy, etc. Where is proof he is a lunatic and not just a Democrat taking shit into his own hands?
"Where is proof he is a lunatic and not just a Democrat taking shit into his own hands"
Well, upon reflection, that would be an interesting Venn diagram.
You know who else loves Venn diagrams?
That crazy counter lady at McDonalds?
Is deranged lunacy not the party platform?
Would-be Trump assassin Ryan Routh hid in the bushes for nearly 12 hours before Secret Service apprehended him.
A damning indictment of the course's greenkeeper.
I think he was too busy trying to kill the gopher.
Be the ball.
Don't expect to know who won Pennsylvania on Election Night.
I think we all know who will eventually be declared.
Just like last time. Right around 2 AM, uncounted mail-in ballots are counted all at once, and the mighty (D) roars ahead for the win.
Well, they have to count all the rest so that they can dump out enough ballots from the boxes so that they cover the margin.
Fortification!
Nader?
I think the winner has already been "declared". Sometime after Tuesday they will send up the white smoke and the winner will be "announced".
Don't expect to know who won Pennsylvania on Election Night.
Need to figure out how many late night ballots to print.
How can Reason not push back on this at all? How can they not even advocate for counting the total number of ballots at the end of the day to compare to final results, prior to counting votes? Nothing suspicious here
Regime shills do not push back against the regime. Or was that supposed to be rhetorical?
Need to figure out how many late night ballots to print.
The outer counties ought to stall on reporting until Philadelphia and Pittsburgh actually send in their own numbers. Just use the same talking points--"we need to make sure every vote is counted!" and play chicken with the cities.
Agreed. Play their game and rub their faces in it.
And do a repeat of every type of reindeer game performed by the Dems going back to 2000. "Ooops, we found some ballots in a clerk employee's car trunk! Ooops, there's ten boxes of ballots in this janitor's closet! Ooops, there's 20 boxes in this warehouse out in the middle of nowhere! Ooops, the hard drives in some of the voting machines locked up, we're trying to get the data back! Ooops, there was a water main break in the building, we have to delay the count!"
It shouldn’t be an issue to play that game in a state like mine (Illinois) where they allow unpostmarked ballots to be counted up to two weeks after the election.
“Oops, we found 20 boxes of uncounted ballots in McLean County (Bloomington).”
Republicans are frustrated with House Speaker Mike Johnson (R–La.).
His job is to serve, and it's not any of them, or their constituents.
“You may serve the devil or you may serve the Lord, but you gotta serve somebody.“
And everybody must get stoned!
absolutely, but don’t get tangled up in blue.
You can do what you want Abe, but
The next time you see me comin' you better run
They are frustrated the House GOP has a bare majority so that one or two members voting no can trash the bill. Whatever one thinks of Johnson, he does not have a strong hand to play.
What’s up Peanuts?
Industrial production 4x higher, capacity utilization up, markets at all time highs, and we have a rate CUT coming tomorrow!
This Biden economy is smoking hot!
Unless you live in a fucking cave.
Do you have a cite for any of that hot nonsense, Plugly?
…And remember just headlines don’t count, you gotta read it in the article too.
Sorry. Nobody here takes you seriously after you torched what was left of your credibility with that futile gaslighting campaign in 2022. 🙁
Awkward given post above lol.
God damn you fucking retarded shill.
Yours is truly a dizzying intellect. Remember when you described the Benghazi (all-caps) incident this way:
"Hil-Dog has four embassy officials killed in terrorist attack"
Dude, prices have not returned to what they were when Trump was president. That means the economy stinks. Don't you know anything?
Butplug may be a dumbass. But he’s got sarc and jeff on his team, so there’s that?
Moe, Larry, and Curly made better three stooges.
Supporting brother Karl’s vision.
Your strawman are getting even more retarded as you constantly pretend Democrat policies under Biden Harris had zero effect on inflation.
This is why people call you a Democrat you retarded fuck.
I’ve seen that exact argument made several times by the economically ignorant defenders of Trump the Victim. And while I’ve never said that Biden’s spending didn’t contribute to inflation, because it did, you continually absolve Trump the Victim of any responsibility for the CARES Act he enthusiastically signed into law after it was passed by a veto-proof majority that included Republicans, and claim he and the GOP bear no responsibility at all for the inflation caused by checks with his name on them.
No you haven’t you lying fuck. You repeat a retarded strawman to try to defend the Democrat policies. That is your entire motivation.
You keep lying and creating strawman to try to buttress your ignorance on economics.
Nobody here has said there would be zero inflation under Trump. The fully admit to the sub 2% inflation during his presidency.
What you try to do is distract from the 20% cumulative inflation under democrats. A lot of it driven by energy and regulatory policies. Two areas you want people to ignore so you can scream tariffs instead.
You’re a retarded leftist at this point.
And even here you misconstrue my argument. Because you're a lying shit weasel like your boyfriend Jeff.
See if you can spot the difference.
CARES Act. Written by Pelosi. Passed with 90% votes.
Ira submitted by Joe, modified by Pelosi, passed with Harris as the tie breaking vote.
Do you notice any fucking difference shit weasel?
"You repeat a retarded strawman to try to defend the Democrat policies. That is your entire motivation."
To be fair, fetal alcohol syndrome doesn't make you exactly the cleverest.
At the time, he was just a clump of cells so it was ok if his birthing parent hit the bottle while ”with clump of cells.”
Buttplug is the cleverest. Have you seen his “Dickless Cheney” sick burn?
If that’s not good enough try “Bratfart”. Next level clever.
You repeat a retarded strawman to try to defend the Democrat policies.
That’s pretty funny. You’re using a strawman to call me a strawman. Fallacies within fallacies. Impressive.
Failure to address the rest of the lies, fallacies and false premises in that post is not to be construed as tacit agreement.
You've been corrected on this strawman at least 10 times now. Yet you persist. What is your entire motivation for repeating it? Please enlighten us.
First of all it’s not a strawman. The money created from thin air and injected into the economy by Trump the Victim’s CARES Act did indeed cause inflation. As a self-proclaimed expert on economics, you should know that inflation doesn’t happen immediately.
Second, you can’t stop repeating strawman attacks. From claiming I called Trump the Victim Hitler to claiming I quote Psaki all the time to claiming that any and all criticism of Trump the Victim equals support for Biden, everything you say is a strawman. Yet you persist.
I know you motivation though, no need to ask. You feel a visceral need to protect and defend Trump the Victim in all things. You feel that a slight against Him is a slight against you. You are personally offended when He or His minions are insulted. So you lash out with hatred and anger as if you’re auditioning for a part on Star Wars.
The love and loyalty you have for that man is truly impressive. Too bad He doesn't give a fuck.
It isn't a strawman, and I'll quote you...
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Dude, prices have not returned to what they were when Trump was president. That means the economy stinks. Don’t you know anything?
Now who has said this again? Why do you continue to claim people have said this again? Why do you keep pretending Joe and dems had zero effect on inflation? What's your motivation?
Again. More bullshit strawman arguments in your post because you're a dumb shit weasel. Lol.
Him and Pluggo are the Washington Generals of the commentariat.
“I’ve seen that exact argument made several times”
I’ll admit I’ve been busier than normal and don’t read every articles comments, so I’m super curious where you’ve seen that exact argument.
It doesn't exist. And he's been called out on the strawman many times.
The argument goes something like:
"Sure, Trump signed the CARES Act and signed all those stimulus checks, but he had NO CHOICE because veto-proof majority in Congress so the inflation caused by all the 2020 COVID spending was not his fault. Meanwhile, Biden and Harris spent gobs of money so ALL the inflation is their fault."
So that exact argument hasn’t been made AND you’re misrepresenting the one that people do make?
I bet there’s a fallacy for that.
Actually that argument has been made, hundreds of times. Sorry bub.
Sorry, which argument are you saying has been made hundred of times, the one about “prices haven’t gone back down, that means the economy is bad” or the one that Jeff posted?
Just want to make sure I respond to the right one.
Another complete lie to justify his retarded strawman. Lol.
Cite it sarc. Hundreds to choose from.
So you have never seen Jesse et al. make excuses for Trump signing all the COVID spending bills that "He had no choice", "Congress made him", etc., etc.? While completely ignoring the fact that the CARES act and all the other spending was directly negotiated between Congress and Trump's team?
He had no choice, veto proof majority, Democrats wrote it, not his fault.
Not his fault not his fault not his fault. If you say it's his fault then you're a Democrat.
/Jesse, ML, et al.
Even when I post my argument right above you still fucking lie about it. Lol.
Did Jeff rub your head even extra for this?
“Trump signed the CARES Act and signed all those stimulus checks, but he had NO CHOICE because veto-proof majority in Congress”
This part they’ve done. Don’t recall if Jesse has, but ML and I have both previously expressed that we were disappointed he didn’t veto CARES. I understand why he didn’t (not saying he wanted to as I won’t pretend to know), but I’m not sure why y’all can’t seem to wrap your heads around it. Seriously, I guarantee you that Gary Johnson would have signed that bill in an election year in the middle of the collective Covid freakout.
“the inflation caused by all the 2020 COVID spending was not his fault. Meanwhile, Biden and Harris spent gobs of money so ALL the inflation is their fault.
I have not seen this. What I usually see is Congress being blamed with Biden mentioned if it relates to something he’s pushed (like the executive orders on student loans) or Harris being blamed when she was the tie breaking vote (like with the IRA).
“While completely ignoring the fact that the CARES act and all the other spending was directly negotiated between Congress and Trump’s team?”
You know that what Congress was asking for was a hell of a lot more than what he agreed to, right? And that he flat out told Pelosi and Schumer no at least once after CARES was passed?
@sarc: I’ve never called you a Democrat.
I’ve argued the veto would have been meaningless. That’s my argument. Sarc can’t comprehend this fact. Especially buttress against the only dem voted for IRA act that required Kamala to be the tie break.
Jeff and sarc don’t want to recognize facts.
Any president would have signed CARES due to A) vote totals and B) governors shutting states down.
This is kich different than the IRA which sarc continues to claim had zero effect on inflation.
They will typically point to the 9% inflation number occurring in 2022, completely ignoring that inflation is a lagging indicator. It takes time for all of the excess money to become manifested in higher prices. But since that magic 9% number occurred in 2022, then it is ALL Biden’s fault, and ZERO spending from before 2021 had any impact whatsoever. That is what they claim.
completely ignoring that inflation is a lagging indicator
In one of his posts today Jesse claimed that the CARES Act didn't cause inflation because the rate was 2% while Trump was president. Yet he claims to be an expert on the subject of economics.
Oh really? Where did I say that shit weasel?
Do you have the reading comprehension of a 1st grader?
Just more lies.
Didn’t Pelosi and Schumer pass two more stimulus bills once they had the house, senate, and Oval Office? And use the “one time” spending of the CARES act as the new baseline for their next two budgets? Seems like those would have a much larger effect on inflation in the following years (22 & 23).
Yes. Sarc blames Trump for the baseline budget games of Pelosi and Schumer.
At least he didn’t call it the inflation reduction act.
Democrat policies under Biden Harris had zero effect on inflation.
literally no one is claiming this
I don’t think anyone here, except maybe shrike the Bushpig, has said something like that, so that’s fair.
But maybe, when this conversation comes up, y’all should stop running to blame Trump and shitting on everyone who points out that it’s Congress who is ultimately responsible. Just a thought.
Maybe, maybe if Team Trump could admit that both presidents were responsible for inflation, then an honest conversation could be had.
But Team Trump isn't interested in an honest conversation. They only want to attack, deflect, blame, attack some more, and score points with each other.
So now you’ve gone against your lie above? Weird.
Now will you admit democrats made it worse with regulatory, energy, and even more spending like the IRA? Doubt it.
You throwing strawman left and right, lying left and right, then pretending you want honest conversation.
Classic sarc.
Your entire argument here relies on your lie of people claiming zero inflation. It is a lie you out forth. Fucking shit weasel.
From what I remember from Schoolhouse Rock, both Congress and the President are responsible for creating laws, including laws involving spending money.
They ALL deserve blame for the huge fiscal mess the country is in.
They ALL deserve blame for the huge fiscal mess the country is in.
Aye
Weirdly you and Jeff only ever blame Trump. Lol. God damn you two are clowns.
Don’t forget their friend Ronald McFondled.
I don’t think Presidents should get blame OR credit when they don’t expend political capital vetoing a bill they know will get passed anyway (in the realm of spending/cuts only.) Though that’s a very specific set of circumstances that doesn’t happen often.
This is exactly what I've told sarc and Jeff dozens of times at this point. But they want to ignore Congress for Trump attacks.
Veto proof spending. Blame Congress.
Passed spending that could be vetoed. Blame both.
Spending through EO, Blame the president.
Jeffsarc is too stupid to understand this.
Ignore the courts on student loan forgiveness, Biden respects the constitution.
It's projection. He claims that Trump's signing of the CARES Act had zero effect on inflation, so he accuses others of claiming Biden's spending had zero effect on inflation.
He accuses others of doing what he is doing while he is doing it.
Where have I said this you lying shit weasel?
Second question. Was the spending even able to be functionally vetoed? Do you still not understand how fucking government works retard?
So far you have lied about every fucking thing this morning. Amazing.
Something’s smoking all right, but it sure as hell isn’t the economy, Bushpig. I think it’s whatever the fuck you’re smoking, and it’s some powerful shit making you delusional as hell.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Hillary calls for jailing people for misinformation.
https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1835873305670128099
Former Republican Congressman turned anti-Trump CNN commentator Adam Kinzinger seemed to imply that it the assassination attempt was Trump's own fault because he has used violent rhetoric.
Nice of Kinzinger to admit that his side has so little self-control that Trump's bombast drives them into a murderous rage.
With the first attempt I was mostly seeing the "Fuck why did he miss" from the more deranged activist class
Seems they are getting very comfy taking off the mask and now the political talking heads are getting on board with "Listen, he fucking asked for it, too bad"
And it didnt take too long to get there...
And they always do it in the most passive-voiced manner, too. "Gee, maybe if Trump didn't say such mean things, people wouldn't want to kill him!"
By that logic, if someone went after Adam Kinzinger or Nick Cattogio with a claw hammer, it would be on them because they couldn't stop spazzing out on social media about all those icky deplorables they hate.
Now the shoe is on the other foot, and Trump and his supporters have unhesitatingly embrace an argument they correctly found ridiculous several news cycles ago.
Democrats did it first so that makes it ok.
Can you schedule a neurological examination?
He’s probably too busy collecting straw for his next attempt at an argument.
Sure… All of those who disagree with MEEEE are… Mentally ILL!!! YES, this! Good authoritarians KNOW this already!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union
All of the GOOD totalitarians KNOW that those who oppose totalitarianism are mentally ill, for sure!!!
So fucking broken. Doesn’t even realize he never criticized democrats who did it first, only if conservatives ever respond.
He is the walking meme of conservatives pounce.
Thinks he is principled lol.
Reminder. Sarc joined Jeff in calling Trump Hitler multiple times.
The guy who whines and cries and attacks when anyone misconstrues or cherry-picks what Trump the Victim says claims when I said Trump the Victim used Hitleresque language, that I was calling him Hitler.
He posts that every single day. Multiple times.
Then calls other people hypocrites.
How do you respond to muted commenters? My computer doesn't let me do that...
The steaming pile of lefty shit is a liar; they're not muted.
The liar doesn’t mute anyone.
That’s not true. When BG told me I care about what he says, I muted his pathetic ass and haven’t read a single post of his since. I keep Sevo on mute as well because his cut-and-paste turd rants clutter the screen.
"When BG told me I care about what he says"
On which planet did this occur?
Alderaan.
Sarckles 6.
It's a moon of Uranus.
Lol. Another false bald assertion. I'm shocked.
I get it. Your talking points and narratives get refuted making you look partisan. So you cry about it.
Are you saying you don’t freak out and go on the attack when people cherry-pick and misconstrue what Trump the Victim says? Because you do.
Are you saying I actually called Trump the Victim Hitler, or that saying he used Hitleresque language is the same as calling him Hitler? Because I didn’t, and it isn’t.
Project much there, king victim?
How could I be a victim? There is only one Victim and His name is Trump. I would never blaspheme against your Church of Trump and call myself a victim. He is The Victim.
We’re not the ones claiming everyone else here is a “mean girl”. That’s you, dudette.
Trump is The Victim. He had the election stolen from him, he's been subjected to lawfare, he's been blamed for inflation, and so on and so forth. He is the One True Victim. There are no others.
Sarcasmic is The Victim. All the mean girls gang up on him, he just wants to "exchange ideas", he’s been wrongly blamed for sockpuppeting, and so on and so forth. He is the One True Victim. There are no others.
Blasphemer!
Not blasphemy because you’re not a god, Sarckles. You’re barely even a man.
Sarcjeffplug = hitler.
Prove me wrong!
Another false bald assertions. Again. Fucking shit weasel.
I respond with the idiocy of the narratives you push. Your retarded Jen Psaki fed talking points. Your Trump is Hitler, bloodbath and dehumanization.
You are just mad your narratives are exposed for what they are.
Bro still gets triggered when you post entire texts of his previous posts?
Of course. Then he tries to claim that isn’t what he actually said or meant.
Long TDS has not been kind to the lad.
I wasn't calling him Hitler Hitler, just exactly like Hitler. Lol.
https://reason.com/2023/12/19/texas-new-immigration-law-will-lead-to-more-policing-with-less-accountability/?comments=true#comment-10364358
"In spirit" of Hitler.
Dumb sack of leftist shit.
Want more links? You did it over months.
I mean, Trump pounced on the assassination attempt on himself. Sad.
Sarc, tell us on the doll exactly where Trump hurt you.
No, the argument is Democrats did it first and it was okay.
Oh, I see. It was ok when Democrats did it so it's ok when Trump the Victim does it.
More projection from sarc. He is the one true victim.
No, there is only one Victim, and his name is Trump. No Victims shall be put forth before him, for he is the True Victim. There have never been any Victims before Him, nor will there be any after. He is The Victim. Thus sayeth his deranged supporters.
See. Big mad. You’re the one true victim here buddy.
You being called the Democrat you are is way worse than multiple attempts on his life or lawfare against Trump.
Cry more lol.
Says the guy who, like his Lord and Savior Trump the Victim, is in a perpetual state of hateful anger. Too funny.
No, the only bitter little drunken gaslighted chump here would be you, Sarckles.
Go read your posts above. I'm laughing at you. You're the one raging buddy. Lol.
No, there is only one Victim, and his name is Sarcasmic. No Victims shall be put forth before him, for he is the True Victim. There have never been any Victims before Him, nor will there be any after. He is The Victim. Thus sayeth his deranged suppor... Oops, nobody supports Sarckles... Thus he insists himself.
Stop blaspheming!
Lol, did I take the name of the Sarcasmic in vain?
Good day sir, have you heard the good news about Sarcasmic? His first miracle was to turn 2 gallons of wine into water.
Urine luck if you need that miracle performed.
I believe there’s a Rule about this…
Yes.
You can tell the center-right is really pissed about Trump and Vance shedding light on the mass foreigner dumps in small town America, because Kevin Williamson and the Patterico simps are indulging in some good old social status chest puffing:
By which, of course, I mean the wrong sort of person—the wrong sort to wield power. You can send little J.D. to Yale to make him polished, you can send him to Silicon Valley to make him rich, and you can send him to the Senate to make him powerful, but you cannot stop him from being what it is he apparently wants to be: Cleetus the Gap-Toothed Twitter Troll.
The rest of Williamson's article is just a rehash of the "small town America needs to die" piece he wrote back in 2016, indulging in the same lazy pejoratives and sweeping generalizations he did back then. His big get is a talk with one of the CEOs that was instrumental in dumping 15K foreigners into a town of 58K in the span of a couple of years. Even the CEO admits that it's caused both social and economic upheaval, stressing local services to the breaking point, but ultimately he doesn't give a shit about the stability, quality of life, or civic identity that keeps the townspeople invested in its perpetuation, as long as he gets his low-paid factory workers. He talks to a Haitian go-between.
You know who he doesn't talk to during his time in Springfield? Any of the actual residents of the town. That might burst his little snobby bubble and forced him to confront the actual upheaval that's taken place. He went looking to confirm that it all was much ado about nothing, and found the people he needed to write his typical Acela Corridor neocon "foreigners first, citizens last" bullshit his kind always produce.
That's the CEO who benefits from 30 employees while the town pays for 15k immigrants.
Apparently the mayor is in on it. He owns a firm that leases houses to these immigrants and then employs them as a temp agency.
Exactly. What's particularly notable is the in-group networks being set up by the Haitians that inevitably ended up straining the incomes of the citizen population. They'd buy up housing and then only sell to other Haitians, while driving up costs for everyone else. Their shitty driving caused so many accidents that it drove up insurance premiums for everyone else. It strained local schools to the breaking point.
All this is alluded to by Williamson, but his big response is, "well, your town was full of a bunch of lazy white people, so fuck you, you deserved it. Now let me sally out of here and go back to my white-collar bullshit job pontificating about why you people suck so much, even though I don't have to deal with a single negative thing caused by the mass immigration policies that caused your town all these problems. Money is the only thing that matters, and there's more of it coming in to the town, so that's all that matters."
When will the Atlantic take Williamson back?
They’d buy up housing and then only sell to other Haitians, while driving up costs for everyone else. Their shitty driving caused so many accidents that it drove up insurance premiums for everyone else.
Cite?
It's right in the fucking article Williamson wrote, you slack-jawed fatass.
You mean the one you didn't link to?
Just because you're a fucking fatass doesn't mean you're so fucking fat that you can't type up article searches.
I saw Gillespie pimping this shit on Twitter.
“small town America needs to die”
Here is a thought. No, small town America doesn't need to die, but small town America also doesn't need to be put on a pedestal as a representative of "real America".
Another false dilemma from chemtard radical deathfat.
"small town America also doesn’t need to be put on a pedestal"
Who is this in response to? A country song?
Not enough pride flags in small town America for Jeff’s liking.
There’s only so much room on those pedestals, ya know?
Kudos to Israel today for a particularly creative and effective attack against Hezbollah. Well done.
I don't think our CIA has that level of ingenuity.
I have it on good authority from a friend of a friend who knows somebody that secret agent Eli Kopter (he who turned Ismail into Wasmail) was joined by super duper secret agent Motti Rola to arm, and then distribute thousands of pagers in Lebanon. I can't believe they all malfunctioned and exploded simultaneously. Could not happen to a nicer group of people. 🙂
Jacob's Hammer (Patish Ya'akov) struck Hezbollah today. There will be even more severe hammer blows coming.
"One more humorous injury was Iran's ambassador to Lebanon, however:"
(that quote is a highlight from this)
https://notthebee.com/article/wild-hundreds-of-hezbollah-fighters-just-blew-up-while-they-were-going-about-their-days-because-the-beepers-they-carry-exploded
Why would a credentialed ambassador from Iran to Lebanon have a pager connected to a Hezbollah terror network?
He needs to keep better company.
'Can the U.S. government prohibit Americans from creating, viewing, and engaging with the speech on the platform?'
Duh, of course. But only during a national double-scary crisis emergency. And if for our own good.
"Former Republican Congressman turned anti-Trump CNN commentator Adam Kinzinger seemed to imply that it the assassination attempt was Trump's own fault because he has used violent rhetoric."
Wonder if the TDS-addled pile of shit would blame the rape of his wife on the skirt she was wearing...
"Supreme Court’s Move To Gut Administrative State Could Spell Trouble For Biden’s Green Power Plant Rules"
[...]
"The Supreme Court is being inundated with emergency appeals targeting Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) rules and regulations in the wake of a landmark decision that curbed the agency’s power.
The Supreme Court’s emergency docket, which is made up of expedited cases from applicants seeking immediate action, currently features 18 applications, with 11 of them pertaining to the agency’s aggressive power plant regulations finalized in April..."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/supreme-court-s-move-to-gut-administrative-state-could-spell-trouble-for-biden-s-green-power-plant-rules/ar-AA1qG6vD?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=c956ffb0e1f44da996167022c62c793c&ei=17
'Rachel Vindman, wife of Trump impeachment witness Alexander Vindman, wrote on X, "No ears were harmed. Carry on with your Sunday afternoon." She later deleted the comment.'
Cunt.
(I would use the modern vernacular "front hole" but I feel retro today.)
Oh, and Adam Kinzinger is a front hole, too.
(I don't have to be consistent.)
I’d have called Kinzinger a dick, but he seems to lack one.
Wouldn't the back hole be more apt?
Aren't the terms "front" and "back" judgemental?
But MAGA pretending they didn’t light this fire is gaslighting to the 100th power. Since Trump showed up our politics has gone to crap.
Uh, perhaps you forgot about the dog-eating race grifter who, following straight out of his Alinksy playbook, incensed racial hatred and fomented partisanship on every single issue with an Us vs Them mentality intentionally designed to turn American against American and serve us up to globalist interests that are patently anti-American.
Uh, perhaps you forgot all about that time Muslims flew airplanes into buildings and killed a few thousand people, and a week later the narrative was, “But they’re mostly peaceful” and “stop blaming them for the actions of radicals.”
Uh, perhaps you forgot all about that national scandal where the sitting President had an extra-marital affair in the Oval Office, and then lied about it on national television.
Our politics went to crap a long time before Trump. Trump is nothing more than the personification of the frustration and contempt that has now fully blossomed into a “what the hell have you left-wing psychopaths done to our country!?” mentality shared by millions of Americans.
And the reason he's even more popular this time around is because we've spent four years watching whoever was Weekend At Bernie'ing the Oval Office import millions and millions of people who do not belong here, have no idea or respect for anything American, and are straight up literal criminals (yes, even the kids). While at the same time seeing all their costs go up and, incredulously, blaming it all on American industry that's already operating on razor thin margins.
Since Trump showed up our politics has gone to crap.
I'd agree with that statement. But I don't think most of it can be blamed on Trump or his supporters.
>>I’d agree with that statement.
you and Kinzinger both arrived on earth in 2015?
Sometimes it feels that way.
I suppose the statement could use a little qualification. How about: "Our crappy politics got turned up to 11"
He does seem to have brought out all the worst aspects of leftists that we always knew were there, but they kept better hidden.
Kinzinger shouldn't be bitching about out politics going to crap when he's one of the biggest smart-mouthed shit talkers on Twitter. If he wants to cut back on the polarization, he can set the fucking example himself, and that doesn't mean simply spending all day on social media being the "good Republican" who's constantly complaining about what a bunch of assholes conservatives are.
If he wants to cut back on the polarization, he can set the fucking example himself
He's just following your prisoner-dilemma rulebook.
He's the one complaining about it. I don't give a rat's ass about your side's complaints that we aren't more unified. I've made it very clear that I don't want to be unified with you grooming freaks.
That he's simply a center-right bottom bitch for the left doesn't change that fact.
I think he's complaining about Trump supporters, not conservatives.
"incensed racial hatred and fomented partisanship on every single issue with an Us vs Them mentality intentionally designed to turn American against American and serve us up to globalist interests that are patently anti-American."
^This. All of what you say is correct, but it ramped up under Obama, no doubt about it.
His presidency popularized the tactic we commonly see through all media, govt, and corporations (Disney is copy-pasting it daily) of putting a POC on a pedestal, declaring them infallible despite obvious flaws, and then declaring you or anyone that would even think of pointing out said flaws a racist, bc there is no other reason you would criticize such a stunning and brave messiah.
In this setting, they would ramp up racial tensions more by declaring that if you noted his triumphant election and re-election were signs that the country is probably significantly less racist than we have been told, that is a sign you (and the country) is actually way more racist. Obama would insert himself into the Trayvon case, showering sympathy on a thug who was bashing a guys head into the pavement attempting to murder him.
Then there was the disdain for the deplorables (though they werent called that, yet). The bitter clingers. The attitude that these slack jawed morons just need to get in line and take orders from their betters. It's what shaped Kirkland's whole persona.
Then there was the neo Bolshevism of "you didnt build that" to those pesky businesses that were doing well. No, it wasnt their success, it was govt benevolently allowing their existence.
Everything just dripped with the condescension of "we the elites have told you what to do, and you are probably too fucking stupid to understand our grand central plan, so STFU and listen or get out of the way".
The current political climate is a direct result of common people revolting against this elite attitude that O (and hillary) embodied, and Trump was just the middle finger they held up at them
Hey, here is a thought.
Sometimes, "the people", as a collective entity, are not always right. Sometimes, the mob mentality leads to some pretty undesirable results. Such as, a rapidly spreading rumor about migrants eating pets. Someone has to tell the mob when they are wrong. Who should be that person?
"Someone has to tell the mob when they are wrong. Who should be that person?"
Plenty of info available on the internet for people to make their own decisions. I dont need a misinformation czar to tell me what the "rightthink" answer of the day is, especially when said czars have a track record of blatant lying.
That is why “the Internet” did such a great job at stopping all of the “eating pets” rumors. Right?
It's like you've never heard of the Salem witch trials or something
Seems to me like the majority landed on the story as it was told probably didn't happen, there are some reports that could possibly be true but arent confirmed, and given that its an extremely poor population from a backward country that have been documented eating cats, its certainly within the realm of possibility.
Seems like the internet got it right on.
Funny you mention this line of thinking though, because your tone and argument here is the exact way the govt and the left went about dunking on all those conspiracy theory cooks that had the wacky theory that COVID came from the lab instead of the official right-think story line.
Did the story come from Hamas? If so, it's credible.
Asking for sarc.
"Sure, the Salem witch trials ended eventually. So what's the big deal?"
Jeff, come on. You would have been one of the ones carrying the torch against
people not wearing maskspeople advocating lab leak theorypeople exposing govt censorship of social mediasalem witches.And if people were being burned at the stake it would be a big problem. People still get accused of being witches (of one kind or another) all the time.
As Guilfoyle states above, you assuming you would be on the side of rationality, and not on the side of the mob / govt / clergy orthodoxy (as you regularly show that you are) is the hilarious part.
You would have thrown Galileo in prison, you would have chased down the witches with your torch and pitchfork, you would have helped marched your neighbors to the gulag, you would have been the one saying "they're in the basement over there".
You consistently land on trusting the experts, even when the experts are telling you blatantly retarded shit. The 'experts' back in the day were the priests that could easily spot a witch. You are the useful idiot, Jeff, the sooner you understand where your place is in all this, the sooner you can make sense of the world.
But he would've called himself a libertarian the whole time.
The other thing the internet does a great job of is trolling. A lot of the persistence of things like this happens because it continues to get a rise out of people.
'When deranged lunatics do violent things, lay the blame on those who are actually responsible(the deranged lunatics)—not other people's speech.'
Soave, you dumb cunt. All the speech telling disparate Democrats that Trump is Hitler and he will end the world (at least for everyone with purple hair and NPR tote bags) has NOTHING to do with physical and figurative assassination attempts? Get the fuck off a nominally libertarian web site.
Or the fact prominent dems bail out arsonists and violent leftist agitator. With soros funded prosecutors giving them no jail time for the violence.
It's hypocritical because he has repeatedly blamed Trump and Republican words for all sorts of "horrible" things. Nope. He doesn't get to flip the script now
Has he? I feel like Robby is pretty consistent on that. It's possible I missed something, though.
"Ohio sheriff asks residents to 'write down' Harris supporter addresses for migrant housing"
[...]
"An Ohio county sheriff seemingly instructed residents to write down the addresses of homeowners who have signs supporting Vice President Kamala Harris in their front yards, according to his social media post.
Portage County Sheriff Bruce D. Zuchowski shared a Facebook post on Sept. 13 concerning Harris' campaign and her border policies.
"When people ask me...What's gonna happen if the Flip - Flopping, Laughing Hyena Wins?? I say...write down all the addresses of the people who had her signs in their yards," Zuchowski wrote in the Facebook post. "Sooo...when the Illegal human "Locust" (which she supports!) Need places to live...We'll already have the addresses of their new families...who supported their arrival!"
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ohio-sheriff-asks-residents-to-write-down-harris-supporter-addresses-for-migrant-housing/ar-AA1qFDSA?ocid=BingNewsVerp
Don't expect to know who won Pennsylvania on Election Night.
Or ever.
unbridled optimism Pennsylvania won't matter.
The entire election won't matter.
That’s the spirit. Summon the joy.
Budd Dwyer did not place.
>>Now the shoe is on the other foot
totally put on your Mainstream Media hat when you choose this weak avenue of comparing Palin/Giffords to “T is Hitler You Suck If You’re Not Shooting Him”
edit: and I'm not sold on "inciting violence" I have never agreed with the court case or the reasoning. nobody is forced to listen or act.
nobody is forced to listen or act.
Yet.
>>Routh ... "unclear political ideology." ... fanatically pro-Ukraine and anti-Russia
sounds like a Cocaine Mitch donor.
>>Would-be Trump assassin Ryan Routh hid in the bushes for nearly 12 hours before Secret Service apprehended him.
or ... are you pushing the line w/o asking why it is being fed to you?
I like how all the outlets are repeating it was “an AK-47 style rifle”, when it was clearly a fucking SKS.
Killing two birds with one stone, I guess. The Haitians in Ohio should be so lucky (rimshot).
>>Richard Nixon, father of the war on drugs, apparently said privately that pot was "not particularly dangerous."
yes, in representative republic you leave your privately at the inauguration ceremony.
>>Police arrested Sean Combs for alleged sex trafficking.
... and Tupac?
"Washington D.C. City Council Member Trayon White—who once claimed that the Rothschilds were responsible for a bad snow storm in the city—was arrested on suspicion of taking bribes."
From the Rothchilds?
"Former Republican Congressman turned anti-Trump CNN commentator Adam Kinzinger seemed to imply that it the assassination attempt was Trump's own fault because he has used violent rhetoric."
More Kinzinger: "Did you see the dress that girl was wearing? Who can blame the guy, really?"
Look, you can’t have it both ways.
If inflammatory rhetoric creates a climate that fosters violent acts, like assassination attempts, then that claim is true whether the rhetoric comes from the left or the right.
If KamKam calling Trump a “threat” is sufficient proof that she’s at least partially responsible for an assassination attempt against Trump, then Trump’s repeated over-the-top rhetoric in calling fellow citizens “vermin”, scapegoating migrants, saying they are “poisoning the blood of the nation”, playing footsie with far-right extremist groups like the Proud Boys, etc., etc., is also sufficient proof for inspiring people to get pissed off at him enough to commit violent acts as well.
If words can lead to violence, then it’s not just Team Blue words that can lead to violence. It’s Team Red words that can also lead to violence.
Or, you can stop claiming that words can lead to violence, and blame the violence on the individuals who actually commit the violent acts.
So which will it be?
Hey, if your side has such little self-control that Trump's mean words cause them to go into a fit of murderous rage, that's on them, not him. That's true irrespective of your team calling him Hitler for the last decade.
Of course, here comes RRWP with the “Team Blue is always wrong and Team Red is always right” take.
We understand, only mean words from Team Blue have any effect. Mean words from Trump have zero effect whatsoever.
Well, there have been four attempts on Trump's life, first with the knife attacks in 2016, and now these two in 2024.
Your side going Full Dead Zone doesn't change those circumstances.
"far-right extremist groups like the Proud Boys"
Genuinely curious what carnage the Proud Boys ever caused, other than flashing the "OK" symbol and trolling the left.
Because I remember a bunch of out of control (mostly) white people burning down cities and causing mayhem multiple times over the past 8 years, and it was never the Proud Boys. In fact, I cant think of a single death or assault attributed to them despite them being a household name for domestic terrorism.
That is kind of interesting. You would think they took over an entire city block and murdered a bunch of people or something.
Yes we know. Because far-left extremists exist, far-right extremists can’t exist.
Everything is always judged on a relative standard. There is no absolute right or wrong, it is always "are we better or worse than the other team?"
"Everything is always judged on a relative standard. There is no absolute right or wrong, it is always “are we better or worse than the other team?”"
You can have whatever academic discussion you wish, but if I have to reserve my ire for groups doing bad things, labeling the group that parades around with Trump flags and trolls the left with "white supremacy" symbols that arent actually meaningful other than they know it pissed them off, while there are groups that commonly vandalize, loot, burn, and murder...it seems a bit silly to refer to the Proud Boys as "extreme" in that sense. Seriously, what have they done thats politically extreme? Can you name some examples?
This is in the context of left wing radicals literally burning down cities. Just so we are clear
"If words can lead to violence, then it’s not just Team Blue words that can lead to violence. It’s Team Red words that can also lead to violence."
I was told for years that Trump and team red's words were leading to violence, and now im holding the people who specifically said that accountable for the standard they set, as there has only been one side committing violence and one side getting shot at.
Does that clear things up for you?
Oh sure. It means that you have no standards of your own and just want to call the other team names.
“Or, you can stop claiming that words can lead to violence, and blame the violence on the individuals who actually commit the violent acts.”
That’s my standard
“words can lead to violence” or “words are violence”
That’s the left’s standard. I am happy to hold them to their own standard, and if they choose to actually live by it, ill consider changing my own, but for now, they can be judged by the rule set they put in place.
Does that clarify for you?
Ask the fat ass gish galloping obese tard about bears in trunks.
"I am happy to hold them to their own standard"
According to a prominent poster here, you're not allowed to do that.
Ya know, you could actually hold all sides to the same absolute standard. That would indicate a level of intellectual integrity. It's not as much fun, because then you can't run around and call people hypocrites as much. But it would be more consistent.
Holding all parties to the same standard would be a "gotcha game".
Or so I have been told by you.
If words can lead to violence, then it’s not just Team Blue words that can lead to violence. It’s Team Red words that can also lead to violence.
Present the violence that has happened by the words of team Red.
Present the violence by team red because of the words of either side.
I don’t know why anyone engages with this clown (I learned my lesson), he’s the Hank Aaron of sea-lioning
You ignorant cunt. Can you not see that it is the team Blue stormtroopers with their absolute lack of self control that are violent thigs in both cases? You cunts resort to violence at the drop of a hat to impose your will because nobody can believe your ignorant words.
What happened to the good Liz?
She became moderate Liz and then took a vacation.
Hey man, you cant go to debate watch cocktail parties in SoHo and not come out with some compromised views. You dont wanna sit in the corner by yourself all night
Or perhaps always that way…a Wolfe in sheep’s clothing.
That's hot.
You’re hoping good Liz does a furries article and posts pics of herself in costume?
Hey buddy, you brought it up.
Bring back Liz!
So the word is that Routh had a Harris bumper sticker. Imagine the fallout if he had an illegal immigrant hunting bumper sticker instead?
Wow!
https://x.com/bonchieredstate/status/1835855062171578671
The Atlantic: Tom Nichols, staff writer
Donald Trump is using another possible attempt on his life to inflame tensions in America, which is one more reason he should never be president again.
The Scatlantic has weighed in.
Like I said above with Kinzinger and Catoggio, taking Nichols’ statement to its logical conclusion means that Nichols needs to tone down his own rhetoric if a Trump supporter tries to dome him
I disagree with Judge Rao. Congress is not being treated like an agency by a judicial denial of its power to amend the 1st Amendment.
In the absence of a clear, and temporary, emergency, Congress has no power to deny the free speech rights of Tik Tok users or to rescind their freedom of association.
Congress is not the Supreme Court, which is the only branch of government with exclusive power to make the final determination regarding the Constitution’s meaning (as clearly constrained by rules of standing and the existence of a case or controversy).
Funny. I don't see anywhere in the US Constitution where the 1st Amendment is required to be upheld for China.
That said; With the latest massive attacks on 1st Amendment by the Biden Administration and lack of excuse validation; I'm more persuaded it might have everything to do with a US Government-ran media monopoly than it has to do with China at all.