J.D. Vance Says It Does Not Matter Whether 'Rumors' of Pet-Eating Migrants Are True
Donald Trump's running mate says he is willing to "create stories" if they help call attention to the costs of lax immigration policies.

Sen. J.D. Vance (R–Ohio), Donald Trump's running mate, is sticking with the debunked story about Haitian immigrants who supposedly have been eating purloined pets in Springfield, Ohio. That tall tale provoked wide ridicule after Trump repeated it during his debate with Vice President Kamala Harris last week. Undaunted, Vance told CNN's Dana Bash on Sunday that he preferred "the firsthand account of my constituents who are telling me that this happened" to the denials from Springfield officials, who say there is no evidence to substantiate it.
Whether or not it is true that Haitians are dining on stolen cats and dogs, Vance said, the story has proven important in calling attention to the problems that Springfield is experiencing as a result of a migrant influx. "I've been trying to talk about the problems in Springfield for months," he told Bash. "The American media totally ignored this stuff until Donald Trump and I started talking about cat memes. If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that's what I'm going to do."
That attitude is consistent with what Vance said when he gave the "cat memes" a boost shortly before Trump's debate with Harris. "Months ago, I raised the issue of Haitian illegal immigrants draining social services and generally causing chaos all over Springfield, Ohio," he wrote on X the morning of September 9. "Reports now show that people have had their pets abducted and eaten by people who shouldn't be in this country. Where is our border czar?"
The following morning, Vance reiterated that "my office has received many inquiries from actual residents of Springfield who've said their neighbors' pets or local wildlife were abducted by Haitian migrants." He acknowledged that "it's possible, of course, that all of these rumors will turn out to be false." But it is "confirmed," he said, that "local health services have been overwhelmed"; "that communicable diseases—like TB and HIV—have been on the rise"; that "local schools have struggled to keep up with newcomers who don't know English"; and that "rents have risen so fast that many Springfield families can't afford to put a roof over their head."
Vance added: "Don't let the crybabies in the media dissuade you, fellow patriots. Keep the cat memes flowing." Even if "all of these rumors" have no basis in reality, in other words, they are politically useful because they help bring home the problems caused by the Biden administration's lax immigration policies.
Vance reiterated that stance on Sunday, simultaneously suggesting the rumors might be true, since his constituents had shared them, and that it does not really matter, because the main point is that Americans are suffering as a result of those policies, even if that suffering does not actually include the loss of beloved pets callously consumed by hungry Haitians. Meanwhile, Ohio's Republican governor, Mike DeWine, was appearing on ABC, where he condemned the pet-eating migrant story as "a piece of garbage that was simply not true," since "there's no evidence of this at all."
Bash got into a spat with Vance, who complained that she was determined to ignore the broader issue. Bash, by contrast, argued that Vance and Trump, by "making unsubstantiated claims" with "racist undertones," were the ones who were making it difficult to have a rational conversation about "totally legitimate" concerns raised by the migrant influx.
It seems clear that neither Trump nor Vance is interested in a rational conversation. "With this rhetoric,"
the Republican party is picking from the most predictable xenophobic playbook and invoking time-worn fear mongering." The idea that "immigrants 'eat pets,'" she wrote, "is meant to signify their backwardness, danger, and inferiority, " which "then justifies the Republican party's efforts to curtail immigration."For politicians "perpetuating this false narrative,"
the truth has taken a back seat to the intended message: that immigrants are not 'like us' and therefore pose a threat to hard-won American lives." Trump and Vance, she said, white 'Americans' with household pets like Fluffy and Fido as members of the family" and dark-skinned immigrants who are "trouncing on that which is held dear."Implicit racism aside, Vance is proving to be just as impervious to reality as the man he once condemned as a "total fraud" who was shockingly xenophobic, "reprehensible," "a moral disaster," and even possibly "America's Hitler." In crediting what he previously described as possibly false "rumors," Vance told Bash, he was simply "talk[ing] about what people are telling me," just as Trump said he was merely repeating what "people on television" had reported when they claimed "my dog was taken and used for food."
Suggesting that the ensuing fact checks cannot be trusted, Vance averred that "many of the things that the media says are completely baseless have since been confirmed." For example, he said, "I was told…by the American media that it was baseless that migrants were capturing the geese from the local park pond and eating them." Yet "there are 911 calls from well before this ever became a viral sensation of people complaining about that exact thing happening."
Bash noted that "the Clark County sheriff and the Ohio Department of Natural Resources reviewed 11 months of 911 calls" and "only identified two instances of people alleging Haitians were taking geese out of parks." Upon investigation, she said, "they found zero evidence to substantiate those claims."
All of this is reminiscent of Trump's attitude toward claims of fraud during the 2020 presidential election, which he was eager to accept no matter how outlandish and unsubstantiated they were. During the notorious telephone conversation in which he pressured Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to "find" the votes necessary to reverse Joe Biden's victory in that state, for example, Trump mentioned a rumor that election officials had "supposedly shredded…3,000 pounds of ballots." That report, he conceded, "may or may not be true." Yet within a few sentences, Trump had persuaded himself that the allegations were reliable enough to establish "a very sad situation" crying out for correction.
Where does Vance stand on Trump's claim that the 2020 election was stolen through systematic fraud? He recently argued that Trump had raised concerns that were valid and troubling enough to justify "a big debate" about whether electoral votes for Biden from battleground states should have been officially recognized, although "that doesn't necessarily mean the results would have been any different." Alluding to "the problems that existed in 2020," Vance said that if he had been vice president at the time, "I would've told the states like Pennsylvania, Georgia and so many others that we needed to have multiple slates of electors, and I think the U.S. Congress should've fought over it from there."
Just as he refuses to definitively say whether he believes Hatians actually have been eating people's cats and dogs in Springfield, Vance has declined to explicitly endorse or reject Trump's stolen-election fantasy. In both cases, he seems to think the fact that someone made a wild allegation is enough to justify "a big debate" about whether it might be true, even when there is no evidence to support it.
You can either live in the real world or be Donald Trump's running mate. Vance has made his choice.
Editor's Note: As of February 29, 2024, commenting privileges on reason.com posts are limited to Reason Plus subscribers. Past commenters are grandfathered in for a temporary period. Subscribe here to preserve your ability to comment. Your Reason Plus subscription also gives you an ad-free version of reason.com, along with full access to the digital edition and archives of Reason magazine. We request that comments be civil and on-topic. We do not moderate or assume any responsibility for comments, which are owned by the readers who post them. Comments do not represent the views of reason.com or Reason Foundation. We reserve the right to delete any comment and ban commenters for any reason at any time. Comments may only be edited within 5 minutes of posting. Report abuses.
Please
to post comments
Shorter Vance:
"Fake but accurate"
Also Shorter Vance:
"Narrative > Facts"
If the left gets to do it with various hate hoaxes to "start a conversation," the right gets to do it with immigrants, pets, and the local wildlife.
What's sauce for the goose, after all, haha.
I'll note the main complaint that you and the left have is that that a community of 58K being upended with 15-20K Haitians is getting any attention at all. You guys are more than willing to sweep that under the rug and pretend nothing is going on at all, just like the Venezuelan gang members in Aurora and the Denver metro.
And this is why people who demand the truth are politically homeless.
Don't hate the player.
No follow up on Chris rufo showing video of an African invader grilling a cat?
Technically, a Haitian isn’t African, even if they share the same skin color. And let’s get real, Africans aren’t exactly discriminating when it comes to picking their food. It’s called “bushmeat” for a reason.
Now, dropping people like that it in the middle of a First World small town where barbequing Fluffy for Sunday dinner is looked on with horror is, of course, another thing entirely. The main issue here, really, is that a bunch of Chamber of Commerce members apparently conspired with the town council to import 15-20K people into an area that was not equipped in any way to handle that big of an influx of people in such a short amount of time. But this is also the consequence of having an open border and treating “aslyum” claims as anything other than a glorified indentured servitude pipeline for neo-feudal globalists.
The cat that was probably a chicken? https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/jd-vance-cats-grill-chicken-ohio-b2612999.html
More than that, it is a relatively homogeneous community, with 95% primary English speakers. It is a blue collar community where the median income is $45,000.
This is the place that the Biden Harris people decided to dump 15-20K of foreign speaking, culturally different people without asking the community or warning them first.
Eating the pets is the most ridiculous claim but sadly, today, you need outlandish claims like that to get MSM to pay any attention to the plights of real Americans.
Democrats did it first. That makes it ok.
Yes, that’s how adversarial politics usually works….
Donald Trump has had a "propensity to engage in persistent fraud,” consistantly and intentionally for his entire adult life in order to make people believe whatever nonsense he wanted them to believe. Who would be surprised by JD Vance making up shit as well? I'm just glad that Laura Loomer is bringing some thoughtful direction and discipline to the campaign in order to keep it from sliding spectacularly off the rails.
Trump can at least sometimes be amusing. Vance is just a piece of shit.
My barometer for giving a shit about this lie:
Are all the outlets breathlessly reporting about this *still*running the “fine people on both sides”, Trump supports neonazis schtick? Ya? Then I really dont give a fuck. Are they the same outlets that said it was racist to even think COVID came from the WUHAN COVID lab? Then I dont give a fuck
Ya’ll gaslit the public for years and are still not giving up on many times debunked gaslighting, JD can have his cat story. Made for some hilarious memes. Also highlights an *actual* problem: When you take an area and forcefully change its demographics by 25-30% in the span of about 5 minutes. Nothing bad will possibly happen, just ask the UK, France, Germany how its going for them…
People unable to spot the con man, or worse, people who excuse his bullshit because they like his policies will not care an iota whether Trump and Vance are propagating a lie. They are "telling it like it feels", and to them apparently, that's good enough.
I am no fan of Harris. I would not choose her from a slate of qualified candidates for President. But there is not a slate of qualified candidates. If you believe Trump genuinely has the best interests of America at heart, or if you think he would *ever* allow himself to feel uncomfortable if it benefited the whole of the country, you're just an idiot. He has never apologized for ANYTHING. He has never accepted even partial responsibility for ANYTHING. Either he is as perfect as his disciples make him out to be, or his supporters don't know or don't care. Those are the options: either you trust him, you aren't aware of his selfishness, or his narcissism doesn't register, or you're okay with it. None of those options say much about the person espousing them. If TDS is indeed real, and I believe it is, it doesn't mean *at all* what MAGAts think it does.
Prove it fake. That's your new standard for others so the onus is on you to prove the Hatians are not doing here exactly what they do back in their home country.
This can be solved very easily by ending universal suffrage.
If I was king only net taxpayers would be allowed to vote. Sorry seniors living off SS income. And sorry people on the bottom. But you shouldn't have a say in how government money is spent unless you put into it.
What a wonderful tool of pure disenfranchisement. If the government zeroes out your taxes, you don't get any kind of a say in what that government does to you. What could possibly go wrong?
How is the government zeroing anyone's taxes?
That must mean they are making up the difference with actual taxpayers money.
You obviously have no concept of what citizenship is - or what government of by and for citizens is. The notion of 'funding' government via taxes rather than via the time/effort contributions of citizens (eg juries, militia, volunteer fire depts, the nightwatchman state, etc) is corruption.
The government is bankrupt due to giving away free shit to people who don't pay in.
The US Govt creates money.
The US Govt can NOT go bankrupt,
as long as it's debt is denominated in US $ Dollars.
Whether or not the tales of cats being eaten are true, I have no way to verify.
What I do know for sure is that a number of the parties vehemently denying it have already been caught lying more than once. So, while I can't prove it, I'm not about to rule it out, either.
There has to be a basis for the stories, I doubt they were made up out of thin air.
The most common explanation I've seen is that the rumor is traced back to a community facebook post of someone claiming it happened to their neighbor's friend's daughters cat.
What has been lacking making this seem more like rumor than truth is anyone coming forward claiming they are the direct victim.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/-just-exploded-springfield-woman-says-never-meant-spark-rumors-haitian-rcna171099
Well, good luck asking Fluffy about it.
Mandela effect.
* Venezuelans *were* documented as eating cats under socialism.
* Not to mention that "Es Gato" chalkboard from Ay Carmela!
* Haitian migrants *are* documented as illegally grabbing ducks and geese from local parks for their dinner.
* There was a drugged-out non-white person on drugs documented as killing and eating a cat, but they were neither Haitian nor in Springfield.
While not technically true, it's almost certainly the inevitable endgame of the Endless Overwhelming Migration at All Costs traitors of the government and Reason. Just give it time.
As someone said above, if they can't even let go of the "fine people" hoax that even *Snopes* debunked then time to refuse to back down about anything that paints them bad, either. Something something goose and gander, motherfuckers.
(As an aside, I happen to think Trump's comments about the Fine People missed the point. I'd have pointed out "democracy" about what to do with potentially offensive statues means VOTING about it, not having a riot and tearing them down. But of course this country is more of an "I Can't Believe It's Not Democracy™" form of government these days, so...)
The basis:
tRump lies.
No need to fact check tRump.
tRump has to prove his assertions.
The local police and wildlife management services have been caught lying? More than once? When? About what?
The major media outlets you leftist twat.
The mayor of Springfield denies the killing and eating of citizens’ pets. Shocker
This was supposed to reply to the noob.
I'm getting rumbles that this pet eating story is pivoting from "it's not happening" to "ok, it may have happened but it's not a bad as you say"
That would be comical.
I laugh at modern politics to stop from crying.
Seriously, these people would be hilarious if they weren't actively destroying my life. When a JD Vance, or a Trump doesn't play their game... well, it's like internet trolling in real life. But the assholes who destroy my freedoms still have power, regardless of how ridiculous their bullshit is, or how much pearl clutching they do when someone from the other party does the same sort of thing.
That’s all we can do at this point.
Unless the American public gets fed up enough to vote in a Milei type who immediately starts taking a chainsaw to the bureaucracy…
Oh, it definitely happened. Here is proof:
https://noiselesschatter.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/alfep3a.png
If ye look carefully at that image, you see a monster on the left, about to grab the sleeping pussy on the right! Karma, baby! Twat cums around, goes around! The monstrous leftists have now copied pussy-grabbing from rightists like Trump! Trump pussy-grabbed first, so shit’s now OK for the leftists to becum pussy-grabbers ass well!
(That’s my story, and I’m sticking to shit! If Vance can do shit, I can do shit! My story is metaphorically true at the VERY least!)
To be fair, lots of the people who would dismiss rumors of Haitians eating cats would lynch someone on the rumor that they kicked a kitten.
So maybe a need to be clear, yeah? Nobody's calling for the Haitians to be lynched. Just, it's an abject dumpster fire of a situation that the Obama/Biden-Harris Administration created (and Reason supports), far worse than anything Abbott or DeSantis created, and, even if you believe the Haitians should be there, them eating the local wildlife, throwing mattresses in peoples' yards, and slamming into school buses is irrefutable proof of the retardation about "Diversity is strength."
Unless you think immigrants subsisting on stray or feral animals in their host country is a good thing.
"Unless you think immigrants subsisting on stray or feral animals in their host country is a good thing."
Listen, we have built up an immune system to rational thought in this arena based on about 15 layers of white saviorism and guilt. This sort of thing has no chance of breaching the defenses
Nobody is calling for them to be lynched but the hysteria has triggered multiple bomb threats closing schools and all kinds of shit in Springfield.
I don't know if they are illegal immigrants or asylum seekers (or some combination of both) but the story from the right wing is about black illegal immigrants stealing and eating white people's pets. And now there are repeated bomb threats. Trump says countries are emptying their prisons, insane asylums etc...and sending rapists and murderers etc... here by the thousands. That rhetoric is going to get people killed and all the people responsible will just offer 'thoughts and prayers' to the victims. As if it isn't 100% predictable.
The Haitians are doing dramatically more than just killing animals. They are also wrecking cars left and right, jacking up insurance rates. And house prices are skyrocketing due to them as well.
You should be quite happy that the residents are nice and not like, say, BLM rioters who would've burned their homes down without a second thought.
The bomb threats coincided with JD Vance and Trump making this pet-stealing/eating a national news story. Vance doubling down on it. Rando right wing influencers claiming to be experts in Haiti and voodoo piling on (like they do in the comments here). Repeated allusions to the Haitians being illegal immigrants. The constant fear porn from the GOP on the topic of immigration. And from Trump himself and his made up stats and figures about crime rates in foreign countries going down because all the criminals are let loose and entering the US by the tens of millions. Its racist dog whistle bullshit. Its designed to provoke a fear reaction; or at least appease the racists in their party with promises of deporting millions of people who are poisoning the blood of our country.
Great! Now do left wing rhetoric is causing assassination attempts. You won't, though, 'cause you're a lefty apologist pussy.
Calling someone a threat to democracy is not a call for violence against that person. If it is, then Trump saying comrade Kamala is intentionally allowing unchecked immigration to "destroy" our country is a call to violence against Kamala.
You can have it both ways or neither. Trump repeatedly steps over every line. Whether its racist dog whistles or worse. He called immigrants 'animals' just the other day. Sub-humans. You support that rhetoric? Believe Trump is his supporters 'retribution' as he likes to say? Fuck off.
The bomb threats have been foreign, not domestic.
The "far right" doesn't call in threats. The left calls in the threats and *pretends* they're from the "far right." That's been their modus operandi for 20+ years, if they're not staging full-on false flag events.
I know this because the "far right" to the leftist scum are literally anything right of Mao. Otherwise the likes of Sinema, Tulsi, Musk, and Manchin, who have often been odious in certain ways themselves, would still be welcome among the Democrats.
Black people have pets too..are all Springfield natives white? C'mon, man!
“…he is willing to "create stories" if they help call attention to the costs of lax immigration policies.”
This is incredibly short sighted and hopelessly naive for a number of reasons. Chief among them being: 1. It doesn’t actually get people talking about your issue, it just gets everyone fact checking you and ignoring the wider problem you’re trying to shine a light on and 2. you don’t have a compliant and captured media to cover for your “false but accurate” charade.
Disagree. Democrats have been running on Black people who don't know where their DMV is, old ladies dying in the street without healthcare, burgeoning rappers getting shot by cops on every other street corner, lone wolf far-right white supremacist terrorists on every *other* street corner, gays being dragged to death behind pickup trucks in rural back country roads, pregnant ladies who've been carrying dead fetuses for 9 mos. who will die if they can't get an abortion in the next 10 min., Russian Collusion, superficially credible accusations of women (and men) being raped endlessly by nameless faceless members of whatever socio-political group has earned their ire, etc., etc., etc. for more than a decade.
Certainly not to say that The Right, Neocons, or both haven't had their share of child-sacrificing devil worshiper or vial of anthrax/WMDs scares but, to the point; they don't always fail to achieve the political ends (whether they wind up solving the social problem or not).
I actually thought about that (the laundry list of Democrat bullshit that you laid out quite nicely), which is why I hedged my comment with the 2nd point.
I think one could argue that even the ridiculous right/neo-con stuff that ever gets traction is. Excuse the media is more than happy to push those narratives for the State.
"2. you don’t have a compliant and captured media to cover for your “false but accurate” charade."
This is the most important component, and the only difference between the cat story and the last race hoax, the "women's bodies piling up post roe-overturn", the "black kids biggest threat to life is a white cop", and every other story we collectively roll our eyes at but a staggering amount of the populace falls for...is they have a well oiled propaganda outlet and algorithms to ensure the populace keeps falling for it.
It doesnt work as well when that algorithm is used for the opposite, even when more and more people are aware of the fuckery
iExcept no one was actually paying attention to any of the upheaval caused by dumping 15,000 foreigners into a town of 58,000 UNTIL the shit about pets and wildlife being poached started coming out. Now you not only have the most hilarious cat memes being produced in response, you have that pathetic Chamber of Commerce bottom bitch Mike DeWine claiming “the businesses wanted them there” and of course, the weak deflection of “we’re not saying there aren’t problems, but we’re working on addressing those.”
Oh really, Mike? What exactly the fuck have you and your group of “refugees welcome” Open Society fucks been doing to mitigate this?
The answer was, absolutely nothing until it started getting national attention. That shit was all getting swept under the rug. In fact, it’s quite obvious the main reason they’re pissed off isn’t the cat stories, it’s the fact that dumping thousands of feral Haitians into a small Ohio town was even brought to light to begin with. They really did expect the townspeople to just eat shit and deal with it, because the local “businesses” supposedly needed 15,000 foreigners to fill about 800 jobs.
That’s a fair point. It’s not like I (and I’d assume most people not in Ohio) had any idea that Biden-Harris had dumped that many people in a small town over the last two years until the guy with the goose picture started getting spread right before Trumps pet comment in the debate.
The same people shitting on Vance now believed the same about Covid originating in a Wuhan lab.
Is it true? I dunno, but I'd like journalists to DO THEIR FUCKING JOB.
Sorry, best they can do is mock anyone who even hints that the establishment is fucking horrible.
They are doing their fucking job... as they see it in the modern era. Which is pretty much being mouthpieces, propagandists for the progressive party.
They've pretty much purged the old school liberals, and those who aren't totally on the party line. That's how people like Greenwald or Bari Weiss got branded far right, after all.
So, Trump and Vance have a whole bunch of *verified* problems they can focus on, but they zero in on some stuff that *hasn't* been verified?
What is the master plan behind this brilliant move?
Another example showing that the patients actually are running the asylum.
Hope that it ends up being proven true in a couple of weeks and then rub everybody’s noses in it?
Use it to highlight the ridiculousness of the unbalanced coverage between their campaign and Harris’s?
And if it doesn't? Are you still going to insist it's really true?
Margrave asked what their master plan was. I gave some hypotheticals of what they might be thinking.
Considering that and the fact that I haven’t made a single post claiming it is real, you can fuck right off, bruv.
In all honesty, they spoke on what was told to them and the insular upper middle class media is picking on the most outlandish, to them at least, option to discredit them. Problem is Haiti has this exact problem so it's less outlandish and more unverified by people motivated to not verify.
Lying is more or less baked into American politics. Most writers on current political morality identify some types of lying as protected speech, and some court decisions reach the same conclusion in particular instances. The majority of Americans would agree that all past and current presidents and Congressional representatives did or do lie to the general public. Indeed, it's probably difficult to disagree with that view, though some exceptions could conceivably be identified. Politicians and elected officials lie to improve or maintain their electability. They lie to cover up their actions if they believe the truth could lead to embarrassment or disgrace. They lie to cover up their lies. They use euphemisms and weasel words in attempts to portray obvious lies as somehow truthful. Their lies are sometimes justifiable, such as when national security and national interests are at stake.
The morality of lying has been discussed on a wide spectrum of philosophy and ethics. Immanuel Kant said that all lying is immoral, no matter what the circumstances. Some political philosophers such as Leo Strauss and Hannah Arendt have argued that government lying to the public can be justified on utilitarian grounds. This seems to be what Vance is arguing, that the lie may sometimes achieve a greater good. Many people might agree that "Thou shalt not lie" is a bedrock principle underlying Western civilization, appearing in the form of holy writ. On the other hand, most people would agree that we all learn to lie as children (usually in a CYA context), and that some of our lies are appropriate ("No, that doesn't make you look fat.") or at least harmless (the little white ones).
I see the apparently increasing tolerance of official lying as a threat to public confidence in our institutions across the board, in part because most people are bad at detecting lies. I mean, I just don't understand why officials do things they end up wanting or needing to lie about. Don't shack up with the wrong people, and if you do then have the stones to own up to it. Don't take money or gifts from people with visible or hidden conflicts of interest: "Just say no!" Don't try to cover up your misdeeds or those of others. Again, grow a pair and own up. In any case, virtually all official coverups come to light sooner or later, and most people hate the coverup more than the misdeed. Representative democracy cannot work if the public concludes that everything is a lie or an inaccessible secret. Dr. House stated over and over again that everybody lies, and maybe so, but remember he started out as an opioid addict and would have heard or read that recovery requires total honesty.
...
More so than other countries?
Pretty much everything Harris says is a lie
But Trump is an existential threat to "Democracy"
Right
Check your biases at the door
Just a guess but I’m thinking those city park mallards taste like Peking Duck to a starving migrant.
They taste exactly like duck.
And a steak is a steak? Good grief, man!
Vance is right. The Union of States doesn't need an excuse to protect the nation. IT'S THEIR VERY F'EN REASON for existing.
Course the left wants the USA destroyed. That's why everything a US Government is suppose to be doing is BAD and everything the US Government has been LIMITED from doing is GOOD.
The lefts treasonous traitor attempts are as plain as day and only washed over by their lies and self-projection.
In my car, I didn't hear the entire interview, but in the part I heard, I thought it was significant that Dana did not ask the simple question, "What's wrong with eating cats?"
Seems to me that one could accept the assertion, no matter how unsubstantiated, and still make it a question of visceral cultural reaction and misdemeanor petty theft.
Well then it becomes a simple question of "who's cat is it?".
J.D. Vance Says It Does Not Matter Whether ‘Rumors’ of Pet-Eating Migrants Are True
Finally, a candidate willing to stand up for the most important thing.
Vance should know. He majored in Animal Husbandry at Ohio Staat before they caught him at it one day.
Old Tom Lehrer joke, IIRC
will the pet eating stories end up like the Venazulan gangs stories in Aurora Colorado that everyone from local cops to governor denied until it couldn't be hidden anymore. its not like those in charge would want to admit to a problem that they themselves created never happened
For totally unrelated reasons the Governor is now sending in troops and cash.
Still not sure why I'm on the hook to pay for the importation of millions of unskilled migrants who are immediately put on full benefits welfare for life. I dont care what color they are, I dont like this plan.
the importation of millions of unskilled migrants who are immediately put on full benefits welfare for life.
Cite?
check out the cite bro, you're doing great man
Do Haitians eat cats and dogs?
Probably.
Haiti is THE poorest nation in Western Hemisphere, and if you're hungry enough, you will eat Fluffy and Fido.
Also keep in mind migrants always bring their cultural baggage with them wherever they go.
Why would the Hatians have to eat them here? I am told by reliable commenters they get to take all the jobs of white Ohioans and are given free apartments, welfare and food stamps.
You're missing the point. And you're missing Vance's point.
You cannot dump 20,000 people who have no understanding or respect for American values, culture, community, and livelihood onto a small American community and expect it to work.
What the Biden/Harris Administration did to Ohio is criminal. And you know who's flat out ignoring it? Or, worse, helping conceal it?
The media.
Are the Haitians in Ohio eating cats? Maybe, maybe not. Doesn't matter - THIS IS VANCE'S POINT: why the HELL isn't anyone looking at what total destruction importing a bunch of Haitians on a community DOES to that community.
And if running with a cat meme (memes really are the right's strongest weapon against the left) at least gets people looking in Ohio's direction, well then at least it's getting done the job the media is refusing to do in order to prop up this failure regime.
The point is rebutting - undeniably flat out proving wrong - this asinine notion of "DiVeRsItY Is oUr sTrEnGtH".
And bootlicking slaves like Jakey Jakey News Is Fakey here are part of the problem. Notice he did EXACTLY what the legacy media did: "to the denials from Springfield officials, who say there is no evidence to substantiate it."
Oh, well they denied it, so end of story, nothing more to see, pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
The idea that "immigrants 'eat pets,'" she wrote, "is meant to signify their backwardness, danger, and inferiority,
Yes! Yes that's it exactly, Bettina! But you're saying it like it's not true, when the fact of the matter is that - compared to any first world nation, Haitian culture IS in fact backwards, dangerous, and inferior.
There's a REASON the Biden/Harris administration felt they needed to step in and "save" them by bringing them to America. It's because their own society, built and ran according to its own values and customs, failed and collapsed.
The reason the cat-eating meme resonates is because it's an easy way to distinguish the realities of the first world from those of the third world. Is it true? Who knows. But more importantly, who cares. Because the question you're avoiding by obsessing over it is: why should ANY community ever tolerate being swarmed with third world refugees who don't have the slightest clue - and make no effort to learn - how to operate in a first world society.
The other story you should be addressing is, why the heck do so many of these people have cars they don't know how to drive. How and why was that EVER allowed to happen? But yea Fakejake, instead obsess over whether Vance is 100% accurate when drawing attention to a meme. Go with that instead you political bitch.
Were they dumped or were they courted?
What’s behind the rise of Haitians in Springfield?
Thousands of new jobs had been created there, thanks to a successful effort by the city’s leadership and Chamber of Commerce to attract new business to Springfield, which sits between Columbus and Dayton. Once a manufacturing hub, Springfield saw its economy shrink after factories closed and jobs migrated overseas. By about 2015, its population had dwindled to under 60,000, from about 80,000 in the late 1960s and early 1970s.
Companies that set up shop, however, confronted a dire labor shortage.
Haitians in Florida, Haiti and South America heard from friends and family about Springfield and its need for workers. They began arriving to take jobs in warehouses, manufacturing and the service sector, and employers urged the new workers to encourage other Haitians to join them.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/14/us/haitian-migrants-springfield-ohio.html
Haitians in Florida, Haiti and South America heard from friends and family about Springfield and its need for workers.
That would make sense as a bogus narrative if not for the fact that Tapioca Joe and Kamalamadingdong put them on an airplane and dumped them there.
They began arriving to take jobs in warehouses, manufacturing and the service sector, and employers urged the new workers to encourage other Haitians to join them.
Have they? Or are they just eating housepets and screwing up local insurance premiums?
"why the HELL isn’t anyone looking at what total destruction importing a bunch of Haitians on a community DOES to that community."
Springfield has lost a quarter of its population in the last half century. The Haitians are the first people wanting to move there in two generations. They want to work and unlike the asylum applicants from Central and South America, they do. They are mostly Catholic, just like Vance. So what is the problem? They should be welcomed! New York City has a larger foreign born fraction of its population and there are no problems.
So what is the problem?
Well they keep eating cats and local wildfowl for one.
CA got more than New York City.
Nothing wrong with CA except loosing population eh?
But golly... They worked soooo hard; the State literally requires Federal Subsidies. (i.e. National Theft)
Haitians wanted to move to Springfield, Ohio by the thousands? Get the hell out. They got dumped into a town Dems could give a shit about.
""Springfield has lost a quarter of its population in the last half century.""
I'm guessing that's because the jobs moved away. How many jobs do you think are available for the Haitians? I don't think I'm on a limb when I say probably not an extra 20,000.
Yea, but they will need food and shelter and education and health care and [insert endless entitlements] on your dime though.
The really good jobs moved away, and a lot of the population followed. There are still plenty of mediocre jobs waiting to be filled. Few Americans want to move there and do them, but Haitians are happy to. Haven't you noticed how low the unemployment rate has been since 2020? Everywhere I go it seems like stores and restaurants are understaffed because they just can't find workers.
"So what is the problem?"
According to resident complaint to the city council -
Haitians Driving without a license and insurance
Driving erratically and causing accidents
Landlords evicting Americans to make room for Haitians
Threatening people on their own lawn
These are issues experienced by a small town hit with massive migration. In here, in Europe, etc. None of it is fantastical or outlandish. As AT observes, Vance is merely saying that he's glad cat memes are bringing attention to a neglected community, one that he represents.
My favorite statement about how you can't dump immigrants who don't understand American values into a community comes from the President of MIT:
"These people have no history behind them which is of a nature to give encouragement. They have none of the inherited instincts and tendencies which made it comparatively easy to deal with the immigration of the olden time...
...Their habits of life, again, are of the most revolting kind...
...The problems which so sternly confront us to-day are serious enough without being complicated and aggravated by the addition of some millions of Hungarians, Bohemians, Poles, south Italians, and Russian Jews."
Of course, it was Francis Walker, the President of MIT in 1896 who said that! He turned out to be wrong about Eastern Europeans the same way that people today are wrong about Haitians. Because it turns out that humans are adaptable. If you dump them in a community they will learn the new rules and new values fast. As far as I can tell, the only group of people who still stubbornly cling to anti-American values are immigration restrictionists.
...And somehow even with "humans are adaptable" the current status is BY-FAR more than not are supporting the same [Na]tional So[zi]al[ism] (Gov-Guns will provide for me) mentality that destroyed and created every curse of a nation they came from by a 75%+ margin.
Point being is; MOST (75%+) aren't here to 'adapt'. They are here to "conquer and consume" the US-well because their own well got sucked dry.
That is the 'immigrant' condition. Spreading BS propaganda about ?hard-honorable-workers? who somehow couldn't manage to sustain a decent nation of their own doesn't somehow magically make them any-more competent on US soil.
No, he didn't say that - those are words Dana Bash put in his mouth. What he said was that he wasn't opposed to "making" a story - that is, bringing it up in visibility - more widely seen and heard because the media suppresses stories that aren't from the Left. He meant make a story visible - not "make up" a story. Parroting the "make up a story" lie just makes his point - mis- and dis- information when it involves anything beneficial to the Right, or derogatory to the Left.
So it's okay to spread blatant lies as long as you, personally, were not the person who first told the lie? Should I go around spreading the rumor that J. D. Vance admitted in his memoir that he had sex with a couch? I didn't make it up, I just heard about it on the Internet, so it's okay, right?
The reason the media suppressed this story isn't because it wasn't from the left. It was because it was a crock of horse manure. If you go around spreading manure on the sidewalk, it is not a valid defense to say that it's okay because you didn't make the manure, you're just making it more visible.
So J. D. Vance thinks it's fine to spread unverified rumors that were probably made up by some idiot on the Internet? That's just the sort of thing that a man who had sex with a couch would think.
"So J. D. Vance thinks it’s fine to spread unverified rumors that were probably made up by some idiot on the Internet?"
It wasn't a rumor on the internet. The residents made the complaint to city council.
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/09/07/watch-springfield-oh-woman-gives-heartbreaking-testimony-about-trouble-haitian-immigrants-are-causing-n2400622
https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1834248116125794416
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/09/08/springfield-ohio-residence-say-haitian-immigrants-are-sacrificing-eating-animals-n2400680
None of these were debunked as far as I can tell. "There's no credible report" is potential word salad that could very well mean that police didn't do their jobs.
Don't kid yourself - if these people said MAGA hat wearers were doing this, there would be no shortage of investigations. 50 plus experts thought Hunter Biden laptop story was Russian disinfo.
It was a rumor on the Internet. Stealing and eating pets is a very different and a much more severe crime than hunting wild ducks without a license. I expect the thing about the ducks will turn out to be fake too, have you ever actually tried to “grab” a wild duck? Ducks aren’t dodos, you at the very least need to lure them with something. The DNR has found no proof of the “duck” rumors.
(Also, as someone who grew up in a family of conservative hunters, I find it hilarious that suddenly people are clutching their pearls at the idea of hunting without a license. I knew lots of people who did it. Most of the conservatives I knew growing up thought the DNR was evil Big Government that was forcing them to buy licenses to feed their families. They should be cheering the Haitians for standing up to the DNR!)
The idea that MAGA hat wearers are unfairly targeted by investigations is a common misunderstanding created by the false assumption that both sides do a roughly equal amount of stuff worth investigating. If you control for how much more horrible stuff MAGA does, they are actually treated with incredible leniency (for example, at the last debate Trump lied far more than Harris did, but was only fact-checked three times). If MAGA wants to find people who lack the mindset and values necessary to be good American citizens, all they need to do is look in a mirror.
10-15,000 people are dumped in a town with barely 60,000 residents. Most don't speak the language, don't know how to drive but some get licenses anyway, have unknown job skills or levels of education, but somehow JD is the problem.
I posted on another thread. There is a solar system’s worth of problems caused by that. Trump should have talked about that instead of going with the pet eating angle.
They didn't get licenses. They just got the cars.
When were the 911 calls investigated? When they were made or after the review? If they were investigated after the current review how can it be claimed that they found no evidence? It seems that they’re making that claim now because when the reports came in initially they refused to investigate them by claiming they weren’t credible but now, after the debate, they had to make it seem like the local authorities investigated the reports without dismissing them outright.
The calls were made on March 27 and August 27. They were both investigated when they were made. No evidence of crimes was found. It sounds like, as in the case of the pets, it was just some morons making stuff up. The MAGA movement ran with it because they are the most gullible humans alive.
The idea that the authorities don't investigate crimes committed by immigrants is a falsehood promulgated by MAGA types who are upset that is less immigrant crime than they say. The fact is, immigrants just don't commit that many crimes relative to the native-born population.
"The fact is, immigrants just don’t commit that many crimes relative to the native-born population."
Pure BS media-propaganda.
Lets take a *real* look at that ?study?.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7768760/
The BS propaganda is dividing 'Legal' & 'Illegal' Immigrant as-if they were two distinct comparisons (i.e. CHERRY-PICKING). Actually including *all* (sum-of) immigrants to us-born puts every crime section Violent, Drug, Traffic except Property higher for immigrants.
America, the beautiful.