10 Years and $3 Billion for a New Mail Truck?
Oshkosh Defense’s USPS van is thousands of dollars more expensive than the industry standard.

The new U.S. Postal Service (USPS) Next Generation Delivery Vehicles (NGDVs) have delighted drivers since hitting the road in Georgia last month, the Associated Press reports. But given the $5 billion investment required, taxpayers might be a tad less enthusiastic.
USPS prides itself on being "generally self-funded" through revenue from the sale of stamps, products, and services. As laudable and uncommon as this general self-funding is for federal agencies, USPS received $3 billion from the Inflation Reduction Act. USPS also has a pension system with a $50 billion unfunded liability for which the taxpayer may ultimately have to foot the bill, Reason's Eric Boehm explains.
Altogether, USPS expects its total investment in new vehicles to reach $9.6 billion. Considering a significant portion of this investment comes out of the U.S. Department of the Treasury (read: from taxpayers present and future), the public is entitled to scrutinize how this money was spent.
Of the 106,000 new delivery vehicles planned for purchase by 2028, 60,000 are NGDVs. Though exact prices are difficult to ascertain, the March 2022 order of 50,000 was valued at $2.98 billion. This brings the per-unit price of the NGDV to $59,600.
The duck-like NGDV is produced by Oshkosh Defense, the same company that manufactures the much scarier-looking Medium Caliber Weapon System, an armored combat vehicle armed with a 30 mm turret. Oshkosh's NGDV will be phased into USPS's fleet over the next four years to replace the iconic truck that has comprised its fleet since 1987: the Grumman Long Life Vehicle (GLLV), produced by the military contractor in partnership with General Motors, Poveco, and American Motor Corporation.
Did you know the new NGDV comes with built-in safety and ergonomic features designed to enhance both driver and pedestrian safety, while also making delivery routes more efficient?
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The Oshkosh NGDVs boast features lacking in the GLLV, such as airbags, anti-lock brakes, collision sensors, and blind-spot monitoring—features that have been standard for years in modern vehicles. Oshkosh says it won the $3 billion "competitively-awarded" contract for 50,000 NGDVs in 2021. But comparing the per-unit price to industry-standard alternatives, Oshkosh must have a 21st-century helicopter parent definition of competition.
In March 2022, Postmaster General Louis DeJoy initially planned for 10 percent of the NGDVs to be electric, as the USPS illustrates in a helpful graphic. Following lawsuits brought about by the attorneys general of 16 states, as well as the Center for Biological Diversity, Earthjustice, CleanAirNow Kansas City, and Sierra Club California, DeJoy increased the portion of electric vehicles to over 50 percent by July 2022. By December 2022 that figure had increased to 75 percent.
Electric vehicles are about 17 percent more expensive than comparable internal combustion engine alternatives, according to automotive research company Kelley Blue Book. Accordingly, if the Oshkosh Defense contract were updated to reflect the increased proportion of more expensive electric variants of its NGDVs, the total value would be closer to $3.31 billion, making the average price per NGDV $66,200.
The manufacturer's suggested retail price (MSRP) of the 2025 Mercedes-Benz e-Sprinter, the likes of which are used in FedEx's private fleet, is $61,180—$5,000 less than the price of the Oshkosh NGDV. The non-electric Mercedes-Benz Sprinter had an MSRP of $42,430 in 2021, per Kelley Blue Book, when the USPS-Oshkosh deal was made. That's $17,000 less than the NGDV per-unit price of $59,600.
No matter how you slice it, the USPS-NGDV program has been an expensive boondoggle. It has dragged on for nearly a decade since its inception in July 2014, while the market capitalizations of private competitors like UPS, FedEx, and DHL have grown. As it turns out, you don't need to outsource vehicle manufacturing to the military-industrial complex to deliver mail.
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Expensive - and ugly.
The old ones weren’t exactly Jaguar E-types. We’re just used to them.
They do have a great view out of that windshield, though. Where are these things going to be fixed? It's not like if the USPS bought Nissan, Dodge or Ford vans and can just trundle them down to the local dealership.
GSA or return them to Oshkosh Wisconsin. If GSA, think of the garages added to all the new post offices.
They kind of look like a classic Volkswagen Bus had a baby with the back half of an AMC Pacer and then that baby had a baby with a dolphin.
At least there's no chance in hell anyone would want to steal one.
Oh yeah....just wait until they show up in Chicago.
>The new U.S. Postal Service (USPS) Next Generation Delivery Vehicles (NGDVs) have delighted drivers since hitting the road in Georgia last month,
I would think we need some citations on this claim.
Delighted the drivers that drove by laughing.
Compared to the chopped up Chevy S-10 pickups with narrowed wheels in the front that they've been driving for decades, I'm sure most anything is an improvement.
The old ones DO look awkward as hell.
Is 60K a lot for a new truck? The government will pay 5K for a wrench to work on it.
Overpaying by 40% compared to a going-rate off-the-shelf item seems almost tame by Gubbmint standards. Maybe the post office deserves some kind of medal for exceeding such extremely low expectations.
Ah, the myth of the $700 screwdriver.
As I recall, when chased down, that screwdriver was part of a fighter-jet engine rebuild kit. The way you ‘rebuild’ fighter engines in the field is to pull them and replace with a new one (shipping to old one back to depot, where practical), so such a kit involves the new engine plus the tools necessary to do the swap. Congressional accounting rules divide the cost of the entire kit by the number of parts. So, you get a $700 screwdriver…and a $700 jet engine.
Not ALL examples of ‘outrageous military waste’ come down to accounting and acquisition rules imposed by Congress, but it is ALWAYS worth checking before letting your blood pressure spike.
Doesn't help that the Mercedes is counted as a truck and as such subject to a 25% protective tariff.
Well Biden put a 100% tariff on the Chinese EVs, so Mercedes was the better deal.
I wouldn’t touch that Chinese junk if they put a 50% reverse tariff on it.
So buy American. American automakers also sell tall vans too. Amazon appears to do well using Ford Transit vans.
I can't seem to get too worked up about a government contract coming in less than 10% over a commercial alternative. Seems like a relative win compared to most government purchasing contracts.
Without antilock? And when a company buys 50,000 of something, even the government gets a discount off MSRP. That's a billion dollar markup over buying a standard one with right side drive.
Looks like the old post office unofficial motto is in the garbage now instead of on the cutting room floor.
"Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds"
Well, if it's gloomy or cold out guess we'll just stay home since our electric vehicle won't start. Also we don't work nights because our union contract doesn't allow that nonsense.
Although if we're honest they've been shit forever so this isn't surprising. No doubt this will bite them in the ass just as hard as it bit Hertz only the Post Office can't go out of business.
Talking to my USPS delivery person, her biggest complaint is the LLV's are not AWD or 4WD. The NGDV doesn't look like it will handle snow and ice any better.
According to my USPS delivery person, they made some LLV's in 4WD. They all got sent to Hawaii. Don't know it it's true or not.
Around here in Northern Michigan the local delivery drivers usetheir own vehicle. They get paid so much/ mile to help offset the costs of maintainence.
My ex drove her new Dodge Dakota / 4WD/Cub Cab for rural and suburban delivery. Went through brakes often though. That and flat tires due to idiot construction workers not securing their loads. Drywall screws on the road surfaces don't help.
An ex of mine delivered papers. I got really good at plugging holes and changing pads.
Following lawsuits brought about by the attorneys general of 16 states, as well as the Center for Biological Diversity, Earthjustice, CleanAirNow Kansas City, and Sierra Club California, DeJoy increased the portion of electric vehicles to over 50 percent by July 2022. By December 2022 that figure had increased to 75 percent.
Just look at that list of lobbyists. Nothing could be fishy there!
Attorneys general from 16 states — 14 of which have Democratic governors — sued in San Francisco. A separate lawsuit by the Center for Biological Diversity, Earthjustice, CleanAirNow KC and Sierra Club was filed in the same venue. Another was filed by the Natural Resources Defense Council and United Auto Workers in New York.
Shocker that it's by and large Democrat states that want these to be electric and that California and New York are leading the charge. It's no coincidence that they filed in those places, either.
You know, because dense population centers need the same equipment as rural Georgia!
One does wonder how California plans to charge these vehicles though given that they don't have electricity. Maybe they can get in touch with the Amish for delivery?
Horses are carbon neutral, and horseshit doesn't stink as bad as all the human feces all over the place in big democrat cities. I vote for the Amish, plus they would be far more dependable and honest than the current lot.
That can't be right. All animals swallow carbon, digest it, and then inhale oxygen and exhale carbon dioxide. They're basically just very-low-temperature very-low-efficiency slow-moving vehicles with on-board bio-diesel plants.
The diesel generator back at the post office.
Fucking hell. They should be selling off their fleet and winding down services. At this point all they are is a trash delivery service.
That subsidizes recycling pickup. Think about it.
Gotta mention, when comparing it to the e-sprinter van, you have to factor in a couple of things. Postal trucks are right hand drive, lower, have sliding doors that can be opened without bashing into a nearby mailbox, etc. All things that the esprinters Fedex uses do NOT have.
These aren't off the shelf items. They are custom made to a purpose, and have an exceptionally long life in start and stop driving, all day, every day. The Grummans ran for 30 years, they're just now replacing them locally. Sometimes with left hand drive minivans, though I have seen one right hand drive Mercedes minivan, which looks a lot less awkward for the delivery lady. But these are probably $40K trucks without any customization.
So, yeah. More electric than asked for is expensive. And maybe there are cheaper alternatives. But for a custom, specifically tailored vehicle, you're going to have to do more research than a snarky comment about bad parenting to actually back your claim that the price is unreasonable. Go look at the other bids in the competition or something, and certainly you should be able to prove that there were, in fact, other vehicles with the same features at a lower price.
Any electric at all is just about automatically overpriced, and it begs the question of how much added downtime they're going to have due to charging.
Union drivers love electric fleets.
hah, yeah.
But the electrification is not the only thing the author is bitching about. That's kind of my issue. He's munging it all together and using hyperbolic language. At the best, that obscures his point, though I don't know if he actually has one.
The difference between the current Mercedes vans (40-45K base price) and the 60K+ for an electric version is, of course, the fundamental pain in the ass of the electric-everything-even-when-it-isn't-better crowd. More expensive, and possibly even inadequate to the job.
But the complaining about the average price, which is only $5K more than something that's not custom, that isn't specifically designed for mail delivery to roadside boxes, seems wrong. I mean, that's not bad when compared to an e-sprinter.
They shouldn't be 75% electric. Especially places like northern states with cold winters, for example. that said, maybe they aren't cheap, but a $5K difference in average price compared to an off the shelf option that isn't as good for the job is hardly a "boondoggle." Not even close to one. That's just what it costs to produce what you're ordering.
I give this new fleet a 2 year life expectancy before they have to spend 50% of the original contract price for an overhaul. Just my guess.
Does that $3 billion include the cost of the charging infrastructure that will be needed? Since the plan, I guess, is to charge their fleet simultaneously overnight for the next day deliveries, It seems the post office will need a charger for each of its vehicles. Not cheap. I've also noticed the main post office in my town has little outside room for expansion. It'll be interesting to see how they shoehorn those new chargers in there. And don't forget about the vandals and metal thieves......
In certain cities such as N.Y. Philly, Baltimore, Chicago and Oakland the USPS will be using the Oshkosh Defense Medium Caliber Weapon System vehicle for mail delivery, in order to guarantee the safety of its postal delivery drivers.
Chicago mayor Brandon Johnson has declared the new delivery vehicles as racist and further stated the city of Chicago will create and operate its own mail delivery system to go along with its city owned/operated grocery stores.
Remember: Please don't demonize.
The letter carriers in my neighborhood use Dodge Caravans.
They park it at one end of the block, then get out and walk from house to house, up one side of the street, and down the other, back to the van. Then they pull up a block. Rinse, repeat.
The Constitution mentions post ROADS and post OFFICES. Not postal delivery. There’s a reason why the first two were included and the last one wasn’t until Rural Free Delivery in 1900 or so.
Post roads are infrastructure that goes way beyond merely communications. Post offices were considered the distributed physical presence of the federal government around the US. That has a ton of value and can indeed provide thousands of differing competitive models for improving govt service. Which certainly doesn’t matter to libertarians but did to the founders and does to Americans. Including delivery to and from post offices is exactly infrastructure. Not including delivery to homes avoids the last mile cost problem.
Postmasters were part of the spoils system – and they were the ones who negotiated local delivery deals as appropriate for that area. There are a ton of ways to move that beyond spoils system to something more professional and less corrupt.
But get the fuck rid of postal delivery.
Don't worry UPS, Fedex and DHL employee's...
The Gov-Guns are here to ?help? take your *earned* money to pay for their USPS monopoly. As well as everyone else's.
Aren't you glad our tax dollars are paying for these trucks?
I know the politicians in DC are.
Any idea on when they will be selling the old fleet? Those mail trucks last forever and are a lot of fun.
The good thing it's gonna be a poster child on why going all electric will be a bad idea. I guarantee within a year or two these vehicles will be useless a brick. Then the American people will be forced to fork over billions more.
Very odd. An entire article about the Post Office without mention that it's one of the very few Federal government functions specifically created in the Constitution.
Also, the author doesn't seem to know that FedEx and UPS don't deliver 1st class mail. Their cheapest delivery for a letter is a 1 pound envelope (the minimum) and costs $8.44 for UPS and $9.75 for FedEx while USPS delivers letters for 73 cents. And FedEx and UPS both tack on surge fees and demand surcharges, which USPS cannot and does not.
A Power that really hasn't been appropriate beyond setting "designate mail routes" since the telegraph. Even before the telegraph there was contention about the power by the writers.
But hey; so long as you get to shovel more of your actual responsibility/costs off onto your working neighbors on each $0.73 letter; shoveling responsibility onto others is the bomb-man... /s
Ironically the USPS was originally a United States revenue generator; today it's a debt creator. As all government central planned business goes.
Also, the author doesn’t seem to know that FedEx and UPS don’t deliver 1st class mail.
Because they aren’t allowed to.
Their cheapest delivery for a letter is a 1 pound envelope (the minimum) and costs $8.44 for UPS and $9.75 for FedEx while USPS delivers letters for 73 cents.
You aren’t making the case you think you are making.
There’s a case to be made there, though.
One of the largest problems with the USPS is their underfunded pension liability. The other is that they’re ostensibly “private” — well, an independent agency, at least — but also governed by congress, so whenever they try to do something to mitigate that liability, or to increase rates, or to change delivery schedules or methods so they’re “profitable”, they have to go through congress and get their dicks slapped.
They are basically forced to pay for funding of Federal Employee benefits, but they don’t get to do it out of the Federal till. It’s a bind.
The unions freak over things like automation or reduction of delivery schedules, or even the merest change in things as petty as remote mail boxes that aren’t being used. And when the unions freak out, Congress listens. Meanwhile, curbside delivery can’t be cut to less than 6 days even as junk mail or last-mile from Fedex/UPS/DHL are the only money makers they have. They end up a political football where everyone is blaming everyone else and the pension can gets kicked down the road… but they’re still fucked.
Anyway, no, UPS/Fedex isn’t allowed to do first class mail. I’d be willing to bet they don’t want it, but I have no data that will back that. Just a guess. Their business models for documents were predicated on charging a premium for speed and service.
Still, they’d have greater leeway by a long shot if they were allowed a franchise. In a world where we aren’t on the hook for the unfunded pensions and health benefits (there are three quarter of a million postal retirees, a bunch still on the old and generous CSRS federal plans) it’d be interesting to just put it out to bid. See if one of those organizations could profitably run a scheduled door to door delivery service that wasn’t cripplingly expensive.
Fuck off. Muted, you asshole loser.
"Very odd. An entire article about the Post Office without mention that it’s one of the very few Federal government functions specifically created in the Constitution..."
Like turd, Ed here is incapable of posting without lying.
FOAD, asshole
In Chicago, they will use the Medium Caliber Weapon System version.
Fat Electrician's youtube channel had a pretty good video on postal trucks.
His argument was that the problem wasn't that we allowed military defense contractors to bid on building mail-trucks...
The problem was our insane system of writing super-detailed highly-unrealistic design requirements for vehicles FIRST, and then collecting bids or even advice on what was actually possible LATER. And then using an inflexible bureaucracy to enforce those blind-authored requirements beyond all reason.
At that point, the only people with the time or interest to actually build what the design requirements demand generally ARE military contractors.
Turns out when you start your requirements with things like " Fifth Percentile Female drivers must be able to see small children hiding in front of the hood, and Ninety-Fifth Percentile Male drivers must be able to walk through the back of the vehicle without bumping their heads....
And you write those requirements WITHOUT CHECKING how the rest of the world deals with those concerns first.... You generally wind up issuing requirements which describe a vehicle which nobody currently builds, so then you have to find somebody who WILL build one JUST FOR YOU... while following all of your OTHER design requirements just as blindly and literally.
Instead of a sane compromise-based reality system, where, say, the requirement authors would solicit compromise possibilities ahead of time, like "what if we just gave you a front-facing camera to check for kids instead?, We could wire it to the same display screen we use for the back-facing camera we already had installed on our vehicles."
Sen. William Proxmire is turning in his grave.
The Golden Fleece Awards.
A custom vehicle is going to cost more--and the price listed here doesn't really shock me. I want my money spent efficiently--every dollar--but just like Amazon had unique needs for their delivery trucks, the Post Office has some unique needs, too. (The Amazon vans apparently start at $83,000 for consumers, and are bigger, for what it's worth.)
The mail carrier route seems like the perfect use of a hybrid (not purely electric) vehicles--short range, recharge every night, lots of stop/start/braking to regenerate the battery though. But I'm just a dude who doesn't know much about such things.
Police departments don’t commission custom vehicle designs.
Why wouldn’t USPS use the same delivery vans as everyone else? Put out a competitive bid for a cargo minivan at $25k each. You can equip them with any shelving or doors you want.
Need something taller, get a sprinter or a transit.
Should sell the postal service to Amazon
why not use those ford delivery vans like everyone else?
Le Joy has been fucking the USPS for 6 years.
Makes you wonder who benefited from the contract and received all the graft.
I don't recall getting a choice in this.
The choice would have been:
Would you prefer getting your mail faster, or would you prefer wasting a bunch of money on climate change nonsense and a low skill labor force that doesn't care even slightly about their job beyond its paycheck?
Because I would have gone with faster mail. Just saying.