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Donald Trump

More Babies!

Plus: Kamala Harris' big night, Japan ignores climate critics, Rio cops lose their minds, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 8.30.2024 9:31 AM

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Trump promises free IVF and more lenient abortion laws: Former President Donald Trump, the Republican nominee, has decided to stake out a decidedly middle-of-the-road position on abortion, angering the pro-life flank of his party (and also yours truly).

"I think the six-week [ban] is too short, it has to be more time," he told a reporter yesterday, referring to Florida's restrictive abortion policy that will be put up to voters via ballot measure come November. "Everybody wanted Roe v. Wade terminated for years, 52 years, I got it done. They wanted it to go back to the states. Exceptions are very important for me, for Ronald Reagan, for others that have navigated this very very interesting and difficult path."

It looks like a transparent ploy to win over normie, moderate, swing state women specifically. Tighter abortion restrictions in the wake of the Dobbs ruling, which overturned Roe and returned the issue to the states, have been extraordinarily unpopular, frequently failing when explicitly put up to voters.

But Trump did not stop there: "I am announcing today in a major statement that under the Trump administration, your government will pay for or your insurance company will be mandated to pay for all costs associated with [in vitro fertilization (IVF)] treatment," he said to an audience in Michigan yesterday. "Because we want more babies, to put it very nicely. And for this same reason, we will also allow new parents to deduct major newborn expenses from their taxes so that parents who have a beautiful baby will be able…we're pro-family, nobody's ever said that before."

Setting aside that last bit, that Trump is the first politician to tout a "pro-family" stance, there is truly no reason for government to pay for IVF treatments. Government meddling would drive costs up further. It's simply not the role of government to pay for such technology, just as it's not the role of the government to shoulder costs for labor and delivery (which, even if you have insurance, can lead to several thousands of dollars' worth of expenses) or for vasectomies. Being allowed to deduct "major newborn expenses" from one's taxes is also an attempt to thumb the scale, providing more benefits to parents. The child tax credit—which looks set to be expanded regardless of whether Team Red or Team Blue take office—and the fact that property taxes get forked over to public schools already provide benefits to parents.

The best way to help families is not by promising free stuff that the federal government cannot afford. The best way to help families is for government to stay out and resist the urge to further meddle. For housing, it's zoning restrictions that have made it harder to build and have driven costs up. For childcare, it's onerous regulations like degree requirements that have driven costs up. ("Those services have risen in relative prices and some would say they also have decreased in reliability," writes Tyler Cowen at Marginal Revolution in a wonderfully clinical summation.)

If the idea is that free stuff, or tax credits, must be provided in order to get the country's birth rate up, neither Trump nor Harris will be able to do it at anywhere near the level that would actually affect people's decisions to have kids. (More on how hard it is to actually affect people's behavior and which policies might work, here. Italy's Bolzano may be the best example we have of pro-natalist policies actually working as intended, but it's such a multivariate problem and probably isn't something that can be well-replicated here.) Trump is transparently trying to promise free stuff to people and moving away from the pro-life stances his party has long favored, in order to attract the voters he needs to win over.

This political transformation may be smart, which would explain why his opponent has started saying stuff like this, totally detached from anything Trump has said on the trail:

If Donald Trump wins, he will not only sign an abortion ban—he also intends to create a national anti-abortion coordinator, forcing states to report on women's miscarriages and abortions.

— Kamala Harris (@KamalaHarris) August 29, 2024

Harris sits down for first major interview: She had, what, six weeks to prepare for this? You wouldn't have guessed that from watching it.

Conducted by CNN's Dana Bash, who was overly polite and conciliatory, Democratic nominee Kamala Harris purportedly passed the "test"—whether she could answer questions competently without the aid of a teleprompter, in an unscripted setting—in the eyes of the media.

I don't really agree. Her answers were meandering and nonsensical at times. She attempted to cast herself as a faithful cheerleader of President Joe Biden's policy record, while simultaneously trying to act like a vote for her is a vote for change. She failed to define what she would do on Day One, not out of some principled opposition to issuing a slurry of executive orders, but out of seeming inability to come up with a cogent, concrete answer. "Day One priority is the middle class," reads the CNN chyron, which tells you basically everything you need to know. The interview was about pandering, not specifics, and Day One questions are not about broad themes but about specific actions a president hopes to do as soon as possible once they take office.

Running mate/Minnesota Nice guy Tim Walz mostly just nodded and smiled—the role many progressives have long hoped old white guys will play—but managed to pipe up just enough to call his lies about his military service a…grammatical issue.

A politician calling them "weapons of war, that I carried in war" is not a grammatical issue, that's just him exaggerating his record. We can all see right through it, better to own up to the mistake and put the issue to rest as best you can. https://t.co/k41CdeYWWq

— Liz Wolfe (@LizWolfeReason) August 30, 2024

It was all thoroughly fine. Her answer on fracking was insufficient, emblematic of her tendency to struggle when asked about flip-flopping on major issues. She defended "Bidenomics" and blamed economic turbulence/high inflation on the hand they were dealt by the Trump administration, not any sort of profligate government spending. To her credit, Harris has steered away from fixating on the identity politics angle. "I am running because I believe that I am the best person to do this job at this moment for all Americans, regardless of race and gender," she affirmed to Bash.

Harris proved she could handle less than 30 minutes, unscripted, without botching any answers, but she also said nothing especially revealing or deep. Bash could have gone a lot harder on both Harris and Walz for their changing records and narratives, case in point:

Kamala Harris, this February:

"The way that the president's demeanor in [Robert Hur's] report was characterized could not be more wrong on the facts, and [is] clearly politically motivated….We should expect that there would be a higher level of integrity than what we saw."…

— Matt Welch (@MattWelch) August 30, 2024


Scenes from New York: All about Janet Fash, the Rockaway lifeguard who has been working to keep people safe at the beach since 1988 (and vocal critic of the union).


QUICK HITS

  • "How Japan Ignored Climate Critics and Built a Global Natural Gas Empire," from Bloomberg. 
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  • More stolen valor scandals, if you're into that kind of thing.
  • Police in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, are targeting the greatest scourge of our times: Claw machines and plush dolls.
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  1. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

    Trump promises free IVF and more lenient abortion laws...

    That will steal the left vote.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

      I need to be a Harris campaign strategist. I would be putting out ads that this stance is super racist. Disproportionately, black babies are aborted and white people seek IVF. (Maybe have made all that up but who gives a fuck I'm a campaign strategist.)

      1. mad.casual   10 months ago

        Do you have a Venn Diagram showing the overlap of black people aborting babies and white people seeking IVF?

        I’d really like to see that diagram.

        1. HorseConch   10 months ago

          Do they get there on yellow school buses?

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 months ago

            With Joy! Duh.

      2. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

        " black babies are aborted and white people seek IVF. (Maybe have made all that up "

        I know as a certainty the former is true, and anecdotally that the latter is true. I dont think I have seen a black woman undergoing IVF a single time in my career, though I do realize there are some out there somewhere. I see it almost daily with white women.

        The abortion stats are at no shit, should be concerning for *actual* genocide, levels when it comes to black babies.

        1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   10 months ago

          Are you telling me the founder of planned parenthood was a eugenicist

          1. Mother's Lament   10 months ago

            I'm sure that Democrats would disavow her if she was.

            1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   10 months ago

              Please tell me your joking

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   10 months ago

                Surely you're not serious?

                1. MK Ultra   10 months ago

                  I am serious. And don't call me Shirley.

                2. R Mac   10 months ago

                  Don’t call me Shirly!

                  1. Gaear Grimsrud   10 months ago

                    Shirley, you jest.

              2. Mother's Lament   10 months ago

                "Please tell me your joking"

                Paragons of virtue who had nothing to do with the Klan, slavery, Jim Crow or filibustering the Civil Rights Act.

      3. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

        I guess we couldn't do actual ads on this, so we will instead unleash the influencers with the message.

        1. Stuck in California   10 months ago

          That's how you do it these days. The influenzas will all talk about it, and the fifty centers will shout down anyone on the reddit that mentions the wrong things.

          Guerilla marketing.

    2. Eeyore   10 months ago

      Seems really expensive.

      Can we get IVF part D – to help retired seniors get pregnant?

      How about IVF for men - to help them get pregnant?

      1. Jefferson Paul   10 months ago

        Don't give the woke left any ideas!

        1. Eeyore   10 months ago

          If they promise it for free, shouldn't it be free to everyone?

          1. JoeB   10 months ago

            Gorsuch would agree.

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

      Pretty hilarious to see the candidates basically steal each other’s policy proposals, and the only real differences appear to be whether or not to let the rest of the fucking planet settle here, whether or not to allow middle schoolers to get their crotches mangled for the queer cult, and if it's okay to actually criticize the left without getting thrown in jail.

      1. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

        Ya, I was chatting with someone at work about the same thing.

        "So they are both for not taxing tips, they are both for IVF and child tax credits, neither of them are really against abortion...so it pretty much seems like do you hate Trump or do you hate the establishment"

        1. I, Woodchipper   10 months ago

          one of them wants to tax unrealized capital gains.

          1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   10 months ago

            And to resettle ‘Palestinian refugees’ here. And pack the court. And price controls. And to spend trillions per year on ‘green energy’. And every other neo Marxist kook thing that is happening in California.

      2. DesigNate   10 months ago

        It’s kind of brilliant on Trumps part, if he’s strategic about it.

        I mean who the fuck knows if he actually will follow through on any of it, but the ads showcasing the media and leftist hypocrisy practically write themselves.

      3. Don't look at me!   10 months ago

        John Jackson vs. Jack Johnson

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

          Lol, no kidding.

        2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   10 months ago

          Are you referring to puny human number one, and puny human number two?

      4. Commenter_XY   10 months ago

        Our country is being destroyed from within, Red.

    4. JFree   10 months ago

      He managed to get God's favor by tightening up abortion laws. Now God gets to return the favor by accepting that Trump really has a much better position.

      1. JoeB   10 months ago

        I think God's comment was made with Trump's current above-ground status.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

    ...decided to stake out a decidedly middle-of-the-road position on abortion, angering the pro-life flank of his party (and also yours truly).

    You were always going to have to choose between two Democrats when he is one of the candidates.

  3. Yuno Hoo   10 months ago

    Harris proved she could handle less than 30 minutes, unscripted, without botching any answers, but she also said nothing especially revealing or deep.

    If by 'botching' you mean 'wandering off into total word salad'. That was a pretty disappointing 'interview'.

    1. HorseConch   10 months ago

      That was a shitty showing for her. Not drooling while staring off into the abyss isn't a real hurdle for voters, that just proves she's less incapable than Joe. You could go to a public university and find at least 1000 students who could give more substantive answers off the cuff than what we got last night in a historic interview.

    2. Stupid Government Tricks   10 months ago

      It's also a lie. The interview was pre-recorded and edited before being broadcast. "Less than 30 minutes" of the final edited version, not what happened in the studio. "Unscripted" only in the sense of having no teleprompter. "Without botching any answers" only if you ignore the ones which were edited out. "Nothing revealing" only if you ignore that it revealed exactly what everyone predicted, that she is incapable of being honest or candid or consistent.

      I think just about every word in that sentence is wrong.

      Harris proved she could handle less than 30 minutes, unscripted, without botching any answers, but she also said nothing especially revealing or deep.

      1. Benitacanova   10 months ago

        And to think what was aired was the BEST footage.

        I'm just glad it was joyeuse.

    3. Roberta   10 months ago

      And yet in Real Clear Politics' polling average wherein they try to decide even the close states, today she has 270 electoral votes. How does she do it? How does she even keep it close? She couldn't be sleeping with that many respondents. And she can't maintain Maduro's threat level.

      I just can't believe that that many of the people who responded when asked that they'd vote for her will actually be motivated to vote for her. Some of them will go into the booth or otherwise get a ballot in their hands to vote for somebody down-ballot, though.

      1. Overt   10 months ago

        If they are bothered to vote they will vote for her. The problem is that democratic voters are notoriously fickle, Trump won in 2016 because no one was motivated to go out and vote for Hillary. Zuckerberg's entire plan in 2020 was to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to fix that glitch. They make it so easy to cast a ballot in a few select cities that they put Biden over the edge.

        You want to know why polls all "Over Sample" democrats? Because they are looking at the exit polls. And those exit polls show that democrats overwhelmingly voted in these cities where there was a drop-off ballot box on every corner, and Zuck-funded "Election Assistances" traveling to every apartment block in the city.

        (I am deliberately ignoring the signs of actual electoral fraud- what Zuck has been doing to "Oversample" blue counties is enough to win this election for the dems.)

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

          I am deliberately ignoring the signs of actual electoral fraud- what Zuck has been doing to “Oversample” blue counties is enough to win this election for the dems.

          Yeah, which is probably why he tattled on the government this week about their strongarming. That's basically a reminder that he's a made man, and can cause a lot of problems for them if they don't back off.

        2. JFree   10 months ago

          There is no oversampling of Ds for political reasons. If there is oversampling from one poll to the next , it is because voters move from discouraged (won't vote) to interested (will vote). Very few voters now change their mind about a candidate. There are no swing voters in that sense now. What they do is they change their mind about VOTING.

          Pollsters want to maintain a constant 'likelihood of voting' since that is where the margin of error mostly comes from - the true sample size of those who will vote. If one side is more erratic re their likelihood of voting, then they have to be oversampled . Doesn't mean that changes the poll outcome since oversampled also generally means under weighted

        3. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   10 months ago

          Well, then control of the US will be decided in the streets. Since we’re looking to have another fraudulent election.

      2. JFree   10 months ago

        The election has flipped because Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania have flipped. The combo of women voters, young voters, and union voters are why. It's not that voters changed their mind in 2020 compared to 2016. It's that voter turnout jumped a lot and it was D leaners who stayed home for Clinton and voted for Biden. Many of them were likely discouraged for voting for a dead Biden which was reflected in the polls until a few weeks ago. Now it's not.

    4. A Thinking Mind   10 months ago

      It may have been unscripted, but it was still friendly, highly edited and produced, and quite short, even though it was an interview of both candidates.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

        The resemblance to those celebrity fluff interviews that CBS Sunday Morning does was uncanny.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

          Apparently the actual interview was about 41 minutes, and they showed 18 minutes of that.

          I mean, shit, I expect editing, but what the fuck were they going on about outside what was actually shown? That's a lot of time to chop off.

  4. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

    It looks like a transparent ploy to win over normie, moderate, swing state women specifically.

    Sorry, Project 2025 already stated The Handmaid's Tail is in our future.

    1. mad.casual   10 months ago

      I should probably just assume your assertion that Project 2025 guarantees everyone more tail in their future is as accurate as all the other reporting from Harris campaign strategists on it.

      1. Ajsloss   10 months ago

        “For some of you, this means much less breeding. For some of us, much, much more.” -Comic Book Guy

    2. A Thinking Mind   10 months ago

      I really don't think it's a ploy, either. That's one of the most uncharitable ways to frame it. I think it's a position that fits where Trump has been his whole life as a New York City centrist.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

        I've pointed out before that the guy is basically a Gephardt Democrat who shit-talks like the Queens New Yorker that he is. It's just that he's so fucking old a politician like him seems completely out of place these days.

        1. DesigNate   10 months ago

          The shit talking and not backing down from the assholes he’s run against is, I think, his main draw to your average voter.

    3. HorseConch   10 months ago

      I already self-castrated when they released Project 2025. THe best way to fight the patriarchy is to self-sterilize.

  5. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

    ...there is truly no reason for government to pay for IVF treatments.

    We need to replace the aborted.

    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   10 months ago

      You Will Not Replace Us!

  6. Yuno Hoo   10 months ago

    Should Medicaid cover Ozempic and Wegovy?

    Should SNAP cover potato chips and pretzels?

    1. Ajsloss   10 months ago

      Then you need to add Mountain Dew, because… these pretzels are making me thirsty.

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   10 months ago

        I'll take the crab juice.

    2. SQRLSY   10 months ago

      "Should SNAP cover potato chips and pretzels?"

      Absolutely! Nutrients have been shown to be "medically necessary"!

      Also species change operations ass well, for mandated insurance coverage... See for example Denis Avner, AKA Stalking Cat... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalking_Cat

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   10 months ago

        Can we cover the removal of your head from your ass using Medicaid, Sqrlsy?

        1. R Mac   10 months ago

          But then he’d starve!

        2. SQRLSY   10 months ago

          Could ye PLEASE get a "species change operation" and become a vaguely normal humanoid type of life-form? One that can crawl out of underneath the rock in yer mamma's debased basement, and that people can stand to look at?

          1. Outlaw Josey Wales   10 months ago

            You?

            https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2017/04/25/525363273/what-s-it-like-to-be-squirrel

        3. jimc5499   10 months ago

          Is that minor surgery or cosmetic?

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   10 months ago

            Major surgery.

    3. Medulla Oblongata   10 months ago

      “15 Fast Food Places That Will Take EBT”

      Consumers may think that they can only use their SNAP benefits at traditional grocery stores, but they can actually use their EBT cards at a number of other places including Dollar General, 7-Eleven, and select drug stores like Walgreens.

      While these fast-food restaurants may accept EBT payments, not all locations participate in this program. Additionally, the types of food items eligible for purchase with EBT may vary based on local regulations and restaurant policies. They can even use their EBT cards at the following fast food restaurants:
      Burger King
      Carl’s Jr.
      McDonald’s
      Domino’s
      KFC
      Little Caesars
      Subway
      Popeye’s
      Taco Bell
      Wendy’s
      El Pollo Loco
      Papa John’s
      Dairy Queen
      Quiznos
      Del Taco

      Remember that SNAP benefits rules vary state by state. GOBankingRates has noted below in which states these fast food restaurants take EBT cards. None of these chains accept EBT cards in all 50 states.

      1. Idaho-Bob   10 months ago

        AMERICA - Where the poor are morbidly obese.

        1. Spiritus Mundi   10 months ago

          The only place and time where the poor are over fed and under worked.

        2. mad.casual   10 months ago

          And the civil servants think everyone else owes them their emaciated look.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 months ago

            Do you know how much money the elite spend to look emaciated?

      2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   10 months ago

        Over half of what dollar general sells is Groceries.
        They pretty much stock the same product mix as Kroger now, without the deli or sushi

  7. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

    Conducted by CNN's Dana Bash, who was overly polite and conciliatory...

    To conduct herself otherwise would have been racist and sexist.

    1. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

      The contrast couldnt be more stark.

      JD Vance sitting down, himself, almost daily with adversarial press. Trump went to the fucking black journos association and went head on with some rachet ass hoe that was in his face from minute one. No one sending a babysitter for Trump.

      Harris has to go with a babysitter to a scripted sit down, taped, 'interview' with a DNC ball washing partisan ally.

      Terrible look

      1. damikesc   10 months ago

        I will point out that it DID seem like she was referring to notes on the table in front of her several times in that interview.

        Any bets on her getting the questions in advance?

        1. Longtobefree   10 months ago

          That would be like betting on a sunrise tomorrow - - - - - - - -

          1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

            ^+1.
            Let's see; softball, pre-vetted questions, asked in 'sympathetic' terms, with 'daddy' sitting by her side (in case someone is nasty to her).
            Yep; ready for prime time! Or at least a day-time talk show job.

      2. A Thinking Mind   10 months ago

        The debate is guaranteed to be a shit-show.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

          Especially because she's going to get the questions ahead of time.

          1. A Thinking Mind   10 months ago

            The moderation on the Biden/Trump debate was surprisingly fair and the candidates were careful about staying within the rules.

            The second debate could have the same rules, but the unwritten rules of political discourse and optics will inherently favor a black woman debating against a white male. She's allowed to be as rude and overbearing during the debate as she wants to be-she IS brat, after all. Somehow that's a good thing. Moderators will not rein her in for fear of appearing racist or sexist, and when Trump inevitably pushes back the moderators will have no issue call him out for being uncivil.

            Debating Harris is a minefield of needing to give her enough rope to hang herself with, but also knowing when to call out her bullshit. Trump wasn't at the top of his game when he debated Biden but it didn't matter because Biden is confused and incoherent. I don't think he's going to be able to humiliate Harris in the same way despite the fact that a more practiced debater would absolutely have a field day with her lack of charisma and vapid platitudes.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

              The moderation on the Biden/Trump debate was surprisingly fair and the candidates were careful about staying within the rules.

              I’d laugh my ass off it turned out Biden did actually get the questions ahead of time and still botched it as badly as he did.

              Harris is a mushmouth, but she’s going to be better prepared in that case.

              I don’t think he’s going to be able to humiliate Harris in the same way despite the fact that a more practiced debater would absolutely have a field day with her lack of charisma and vapid platitudes.

              Harris doesn’t really have any shame to be humiliated by, but Tulsi did powerbomb her with that “corrupt cop” comment during the debates. So there are ways to do so, but those were also different circumstances.

              Trump's at his best in settings where he can go into hostile territory and teabag the opposition, like that press club interview he did. The guy loves a fight, but Presidential debates don't provide that kind of environment. It takes a lot more self-control than he really possesses.

              1. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

                If he gets her on her "record" of promotion through blowing powerful dudes, or brings up Willie Brown directly, I am going to fucking love it. It might trigger her to go nuclear

              2. R Mac   10 months ago

                Tulsi is helping Trump prepare for the debate.

              3. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   10 months ago

                She’s stupid, and unable/unwilling to conduct any kind of prep. Trump will destroy her just by letting her run her mouth, same as Biden.

                Biden at least had the excuse that he’s completely senile.

            2. DesigNate   10 months ago

              Debating Harris is a guaranteed loss. There is literally no way to walk away from it without the douchebags in the DNC, I mean media, calling him a giant racist misogynist fascist.

              Knowing that, I would go in and just treat her like a man and not hold back any punches.

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

                Equal rights and equal lefts.

              2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   10 months ago

                Just let her talk. It will work for a Trump for similar reasons to Biden. Harris is utterly stupid. Even under ideal conditions, like this prerecorded CNN interview, with Walz holding her hand, she comes off like a vapid moron.

                Harris is even less articulate than AOC.

  8. Yuno Hoo   10 months ago

    Not only were those machines stocked with counterfeit plushies, but subsequent analysis of their programming found winning pulls were permitted only after a set number of attempts

    RIGGED!!

    1. Its_Not_Inevitable   10 months ago

      No widespread Rigging!

  9. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

    ...out of seeming inability to come up with a cogent, concrete answer.

    The only saving grace is that, once she some crazy how becomes president, they'll hide her away like they did her senile predecessor and I won't have to listen much to this tipsy imbecile meander through horribly scripted speeches and painfully unscripted interviews.

    1. Yuno Hoo   10 months ago

      But if they hide her away, what happens to the JOY?!

      1. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

        That is the joy.

        1. Sometimes a Great Notion   10 months ago

          You're right you should be a Harris campaign manager. This has me already rethinking my stance on her.

          1. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

            Eight years of joy it is, then.

            1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   10 months ago

              Harris/Walz,..,,,,,,, joy and soy.

          2. mad.casual   10 months ago

            Don't let him fool you, there will still be all the G7 meetings with Mitterand from Germany and NATO meetings with Ukrainian President Vladimir Putin.

            1. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

              Surely they wouldn't let her speak much at those beyond some sparse, scripted joyous cackling.

              1. mad.casual   10 months ago

                They? *You're* the campaign strategist here!

                1. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

                  Well once the campaign is over my role is finished.

                  1. R Mac   10 months ago

                    It’s always campaign season now.

                    1. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

                      I guess it's better for everyone they campaign instead of govern.

      2. Ajsloss   10 months ago

        They’re going to milk her for it, just like with Slurm.

        1. Medulla Oblongata   10 months ago

          Mmmm, Slurm!

          1. Spiritus Mundi   10 months ago

            Better than soylent cola.

      3. Moonrocks   10 months ago

        It'll be joy through obscurity.

        1. Yuno Hoo   10 months ago

          How did Orwell miss 'Obscurity is joy'?

          1. VULGAR MADMAN   10 months ago

            What about strength through joy?

  10. Idaho-Bob   10 months ago

    “How Japan Ignored Climate Critics and Built a Global Natural Gas Empire,” from Bloomberg.

    The Japanese have been ignoring Greenpeace for decades.

    1. Small w woodchippertarian   10 months ago

      It's whale-based natural gas, totally eco-friendly!

    2. Sometimes a Great Notion   10 months ago

      No, they provide Greenpeace with refeshments all the time when they stop by to chat, just at 500gpm, 200 psi.

      1. R Mac   10 months ago

        Sounds like fun!

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pgPgsvxxxKE&pp=ygUMdWhmIGZpcmVob3Nl

  11. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

    Harris proved she could handle less than 30 minutes, unscripted, without botching any answers...

    By not giving any.

  12. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

    ...the Rockaway lifeguard who has been working to keep people safe at the beach since 1988 (and vocal critic of the union).

    How does she save swimmers whilst wearing cement shoes?

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   10 months ago

      How many teamsters does it take to change a light bulb?
      15, you gotta' problem with that?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   10 months ago

        And if you dare do it otherwise, you get those same 15 outside with a giant inflatable rat named "Scabby".

        1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   10 months ago

          I miss the old days, when those teamsters and their inflatable union member would be greeted by truncheon equipped Pinkertons.

  13. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

    "Tim Walz mostly just nodded and smiled—the role many progressives have long hoped old white guys will play"

    Honestly, that just makes it worse and more awkward. If you go, have something to add or substantive to say. Going and just sitting/smiling is about the best way to project "this retard needs a white dude to baby sit her" and pretty much the opposite of "this is an intelligent and capable person"

    1. damikesc   10 months ago

      Should we note that the guy who has "poor grammar" was a teacher of English in China for years?

      1. Yuno Hoo   10 months ago

        Yes. Yes, we should.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   10 months ago

        Was he responsible for translations?

        "The Chinese market seems to be at the receiving end of bad translations quite a bit. Another brand that had to quickly do damage control in China is KFC. When they first launched in the market in the 1980s, their famous tagline, “Finger Lickin’ Good,” was translated to “Eat Your Fingers Off.”

        "In the 1960s, Pepsi’s slogan, “Come Alive With the Pepsi Generation,” landed in China with very negative reactions. This slogan for the advertising campaign had been inadvertently translated to “Pepsi brings your relatives back from the dead,” which didn’t go over very well with the local audience.

        1. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

          "“Pepsi brings your relatives back from the dead,”"

          2 more votes for the left

          1. mad.casual   10 months ago

            My German cultural heritage hears "Eat your fingers off" and "Pepsi brings your relatives back from the dead." and thinks these are charming/hilarious ads targeting children.

        2. Rick James   10 months ago

          “Pepsi brings your relatives back from the dead,” which didn’t go over very well with the local audience.

          This is funny but has the whiff of being an urban legend deepfake.

      3. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   10 months ago

        Yes, after noting that he is also a ChiCom asset, and an obvious Marxist traitor.

  14. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

    How Japan Ignored Climate Critics and Built a Global Natural Gas Empire...

    So now they need to do penance for unleashing both Ivermectin and greenhouse gases on the world.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   10 months ago

      They are also responsible for godzilla

      1. Rick James   10 months ago

        And super-cute dancing girls.

        (sfw)

        1. A Thinking Mind   10 months ago

          Japan is a national treasure.

        2. mad.casual   10 months ago

          (sfw)

          Did you not see the weapon of war on the right-hand side of the screen?!?

          1. Rick James   10 months ago

            The Airsoft is strong in Japan.

        3. R Mac   10 months ago

          “(sfw)”

          Why?

    2. LIBtranslator   10 months ago

      Nobody in Japan is stupid enough to buy into Warmunist Climate Sharknado mysticism. One Hirohito cult sufficed.

  15. Sometimes a Great Notion   10 months ago

    Trump promises free IVF...
    "Day One priority is the middle class,"
    More stolen valor scandals...*

    Fuck you, cut spending.

    *wes moore spending/big gov is far greater threat to my state then his bs stolen valor claim.

  16. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

    Watch Michael Moynihan and Batya Ungar-Sargon disagree on how Kamala Harris performed last night...

    I want to know if I'm going to be surprised on who was on which side of that one.

  17. sarcasmic   10 months ago

    If Harris promised to use the federal government to force states to pass less-restrictive abortion laws, and use the federal government to force health insurance to pay for IVF, the usual suspects would be screaming about how she's a leftist and a fascist.

    When Trump promises those things he's applauded for stealing votes from Harris.

    Principles my ass.

    By the way, is this one of those things where you're supposed to take him seriously or ignore what he said and instead look at what he did his previous term? How do you tell? Flip a coin?

    1. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

      "Sometimes a Great Notion 6 mins ago

      Trump promises free IVF…
      “Day One priority is the middle class,”
      More stolen valor scandals…*

      Fuck you, cut spending."

      Weird, looks like the only comment on the board so far is looking pretty principled. Id add to that, that supporting IVF is great but Trump's plan is stupid.

      Just stop already with your incessant TDS. You are becoming a joke. You are arguing against nothing but strawmen that dont exist at this point

      1. sarcasmic   10 months ago

        Look at the very first comment, ass.

        The sad joke is that Trump’s Deranged Supporters behave exactly like the leftist Obamabots did with their unquestioning support for their Dear Leader and by defending policies with personal attacks. Only difference was the Obamabots accused critics of racism while the TDS clan accuses critics of derangement. Cults of personality.

        1. NealAppeal   10 months ago

          You get all bent over a Fist comment? Ironically you don't know what sarcasm is...or maybe you forgot in your drunken state.

          1. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

            NEVER!

          2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   10 months ago

            Are you saying Fist bent Sarc over and basically ‘Fisted’ him with his comment?

        2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   10 months ago

          Pour Sarc.

          1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   10 months ago

            A quart of rotgut per day…….

        3. Bertram Guilfoyle   10 months ago

          "Trump’s Deranged Supporters"

          Brilliant - you coined this?

          1. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

            "The term is CACLL, and I coined it!"

            - some great thinker of our time

            1. Outlaw Josey Wales   10 months ago

              I do miss White Mike. Think of the number of conspiracies proven true in just the short time since he left

        4. R Mac   10 months ago

          Did sarc really just get butt hurt by a fist post? LMAO, so broken.

          1. Bertram Guilfoyle   10 months ago

            If you bring this up in the future he will accuse you of lying.
            If you link to it, he'll accuse you of stalking.

        5. DesigNate   10 months ago

          You mean Fist’s joke comment that spawned a thread of joke comments?

          Take a breath and come back man, this place has driven you nuts.

          1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   10 months ago

            Is it a surprise that a lifelong, severe alcoholic like Sarc has an issue with accountability?

          2. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

            I've been incepted.

      2. R Mac   10 months ago

        “Just stop already with your incessant TDS. You are becoming a joke.”

        We’re pretty fucking far past “becoming”.

    2. damikesc   10 months ago

      When, EXACTLY, did Trump promise to use the Feds to change state laws to make them more pro-abortion?

      He has specifically said he is not going to do anything on a federal level.

      The IVF thing is positively asinine.

      But since the OTHER person is still going on about controlling price gouging...he's still the better option.

      1. A Thinking Mind   10 months ago

        If sarc couldn't attack people for stances they've never endorsed, 85% of his comment output here would vanish.

    3. Rick James   10 months ago

      Look, all we're shooting for here is give Reason writers a reason to strategically and reluctantly vote for him. As history has shown, it doesn't even take a candidate who's fully conscious.

      1. LIBtranslator   10 months ago

        Lizard is a RNC writer. She got stammering Zack to smuggle her past the bouncer.

    4. R Mac   10 months ago

      Poor sarc.

      1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   10 months ago

        Yes, pour Sarc.

    5. A Thinking Mind   10 months ago

      If Harris promised to use the federal government to force states to pass less-restrictive abortion laws, and use the federal government to force health insurance to pay for IVF, the usual suspects would be screaming about how she’s a leftist and a fascist.

      When Trump promises those things he’s applauded for stealing votes from Harris.

      Trump did not promise to force states to pass less-restrictive voting laws. He stated that he's VOTING, as a Florida citizen, in favor of the Florida Constitution amendment to provide abortion protection because 6 weeks is too short of a timeframe.

      Trump's stance on IVF is, of course, stupid and wrong. I don't see how IVF can be considered a health-related issue that insurance should be forced to cover. Perhaps if there's some competition in the insurance market, people who want that type of coverage could shop around for an insurer willing to cover it, but if they did, we'd probably the cost of covering that to be so prohibitive that it would no longer be covered, and perhaps without all the flow of free money, IVF providers would be forced into finding ways to make the process less expensive.

      The whole healthcare industry is a tragic mess of anti-competitive and anti-market regulations. I can't imagine how I'd unwind that Gordian Knot if I were elected president. Fortunately, that puts me in the same position as the libertarian candidate for president, who also has no idea what to do about healthcare beyond broad platitudes.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

        Even just having a normal live birth is fucking expensive. When our kids were born, the hospital charged $25K each. That was for the birth and a night in a private room, plus all the standard checkup stuff they do in the first 24 hours before you get discharged.

        Insurance disallowed about $8K of that, and covered most of the rest. We had to pay about $250 or so out of pocket from that on each birth.

        Personally, I'd have preferred to pay the $1000 or so, inflation-adjusted, out of pocket that these cost in the 1950s, as opposed to what insurance costs between employer and employee while the providers massively jack up the charges on relatively simple procedures because they know insurance will still cover about 75% of what they charge.

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

        The whole healthcare industry is a tragic mess of anti-competitive and anti-market regulations. I can’t imagine how I’d unwind that Gordian Knot if I were elected president.

        This is a case where enforcing the Sherman Anti-trust Act would actually be warranted, and probably go a long way to doing just that.

      3. Roberta   10 months ago

        Yeah, that's a toughie. Too much sentiment, worldwide, in general favor of it to do any major across-the-board disengagement; but if you try some minor trimming here or there, it looks like someone's ox is getting gored. It's why I think we may have to concede this one, everywhere in the world, while trying to free up literally everything else.

    6. Medulla Oblongata   10 months ago

      Fuck you, cut spending. There's no place for this. Trump is wrong to call for it.

      1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   10 months ago

        Yes he is. Although I would rather put up with that than a Marxist agenda that includes price controls, a multi trillion dollar deficit fueled by ‘climate investments’, and court packing.

    7. EISTAU Gree-Vance   10 months ago

      Yawn.

      Ya dude, this schtick has really jumped the shark. Are you serious that a mere $25 will get you to take your brilliance elsewhere?

      Seems reasonable.

    8. LIBtranslator   10 months ago

      Principles, yes. Altruist looter principles, fer shoor!

  18. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

    More stolen valor scandals, if you're into that kind of thing.

    This needs to be widened to people who play military on TV and in movies. Except for Tom Cruise, of course.

    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   10 months ago

      Rambo exemption or I walk.

    2. mad.casual   10 months ago

      If you shoot and kill someone on the set with a Colt Single Action Army Revolver are you good on the whole Stolen Valor thing or no?

      1. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

        Do you have something you need to get off your chest?

        1. Stupid Government Tricks   10 months ago

          Derek Chauvin?

      2. A Thinking Mind   10 months ago

        Speaking of people tragically killed by mishandled firearms on a Hollywood set, for some reason, they decided to remake The Crow this year. I don't know why, and I've heard it's possibly the worst movie released in theaters this year.

        1. mad.casual   10 months ago

          The previews/commercials made it look unwatchable.

          I'd say "All the supernatural drama of Trainspotting meets all the strung out romanticism, action, and gritty realism of Big Trouble in Little China." but both of those movies are way too good even that far afield from their themes for the meme to work.

          1. Bertram Guilfoyle   10 months ago

            Big Trouble in Little China is an American treasure.

      3. CE   10 months ago

        An Army Revolver sounds like a weapon of war.

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   10 months ago

          We'll have to check with Walz. He carried weapons of war in Spain.

    3. R Mac   10 months ago

      Trump Derangement Supporters now want to throw actors they don’t like in prison! Argghhhhj!!!!

      - sarc

  19. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

    Should Medicaid cover Ozempic and Wegovy?

    Destroy those guts on Uncle Sam's dime? Sure.

  20. Mickey Rat   10 months ago

    "Harris proved she could handle less than 30 minutes, unscripted, without botching any answers, but she also said nothing especially revealing or deep."

    Harris proved she handle 30 minutes of softball questions from a syncophantic interviewer without saying anything egregiously stupid. Such a high bar to clear.

    "‘Joke of a network’: CNN blasted for Kamala Harris ‘puff piece’ montage"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj7nTIBEzSs

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   10 months ago

      Softballs?

      Who SHOULD have interviewed her?

      Choose any major news - like ABC, NBC, PBS, CBS, WSJ, Bloomberg)

      (No nutjobs from Bratfart or Fox Fake News obviously)

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

        turd, the shit-stain of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

      2. Bertram Guilfoyle   10 months ago

        "Who SHOULD have interviewed her?"

        Stossel?

        1. A Thinking Mind   10 months ago

          Could you imagine the world we would live in if both major candidates would sit down for a Stossel interview? What a breath of fresh air that would be.

        2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   10 months ago

          I think Stossel lost his ABC gig or retired.

          Major Garrett (ex Fox News now CBS) would be good. The crazy never rubbed off on him.

          1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

            TDS-addled turd, ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
            If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
            turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

          2. Bertram Guilfoyle   10 months ago

            Why does he have to be on ABC or Fox to do an interview?

            1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   10 months ago

              Who would televise it?

              You start with a network.

              1. Bertram Guilfoyle   10 months ago

                “You start with a network.”

                Nope. You start with a serious journalist, who will ask serious questions.

                Well, you would do that, if you were a serious person. Sorry that you don't qualify.

              2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

                turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
                turd lies. turd is a lying pile of TDS-addled lefty shit and a pederast besides.

              3. R Mac   10 months ago

                Trump’s done several interviews not on a network retard.

      3. Mickey Rat   10 months ago

        An independent news organization with some self-respect.

      4. CE   10 months ago

        The WSJ would make sure she's sufficiently pro-war to keep the neocons on board.

      5. I, Woodchipper   10 months ago

        Elon.

  21. Moderation4ever   10 months ago

    It strikes me that Donald Trump is attempting to outline a strategy on the issue of abortion that is essentially what the country had under Roe v Wade. What Republicans are finding out is that Roe was basically a good decision that which most everyone could agree. Early abortions were the decision of the woman and her doctor and as the pregnancy developed states could begin to step in and regulate the procedure.

    1. damikesc   10 months ago

      Why so afraid of allowing states --- who should have had the say-so in the first place --- make decisions for themselves?

      1. Moderation4ever   10 months ago

        Why not leave it to the patient and the doctor? That the way most healthcare works.

        1. Spiritus Mundi   10 months ago

          Because there is a third party involved who has no voice and will bear the consquence of that decision.

          1. TrickyVic (old school)   10 months ago

            I know that's the argument but why do people who have no relation to that voice think their opinion should prevail? No one appointed them as a decision maker to that family.

            If one thinks their "morality" trumps someone else's
            then they are no better than progressives.

            1. Mickey Rat   10 months ago

              So you are going with the idea that parents own their children and can do anything harmful to them as the children are essentially property?

              1. Spiritus Mundi   10 months ago

                Just like Dred Scott.

              2. Medulla Oblongata   10 months ago

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                If a parent claims that their 6 year-old child has body dysmorphia and needs to have an arm amputated, and some doctor agrees, is that something we’re going to unquestioningly support of something we’re going to try to prevent.

                I don’t think “we” should be actively supporting or “we” should be actively preventing anything. I think that “we” should instead make sure that:
                – the child has a proper diagnosis, perhaps evaluated by a few doctors
                – the proposed standard of care meets some rigorous medically sound standard
                – all parties are very clearly informed and all very clearly consent

                And then let the parents make the decision that they think is in the child’s best interests.

                Now if *you* want to give your unsolicited advice to the parents, you are free to do so. If you want to propose your own alternative treatments, including the option of no treatment at all, you are free to do so.

                Incidentally, I think this is exactly how it should work whenever parents are faced with a tough and difficult decision regarding their children. “We” should butt out and let the family have space to deal with their situation in their own way.

                1. damikesc   10 months ago

                  What I most enjoy is asking them "So, what about gay conversion therapy?"

            2. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

              Because there's always been a question as to at what point aborting a pregnancy crosses the line from medical procedure to murder, and what, if any, exceptions should be made as the pregnancy progresses.

              Prior to Roe, despite the largely fake-ass coat-hanger stories, whatever abortions took place were usually handled discreetly by a licensed doctor, and even then they were minimal because it was understood that if you knocked up a woman, you were a piece of shit if you didn't take responsibility and raise the child. In addition, society didn't have the markedly anti-natal character to it that it does today. Commies have ALWAYS been like this because families create internal loyalties that supercede the Most Holy Marxist Utopia.

              The confluence of "women's liberation" and the Great Society enabled the culture to become more self-indulgent and consider pregnancies to be disposable inconveniences rather than adult responsibilities. To the extent that effects the debate today is why there's such a wide variance in state abortion laws since Dobbs, and why even nominally red states aren't eliminating it entirely.

              1. CE   10 months ago

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            3. R Mac   10 months ago

              If I don’t know the victim of a murder why should I care?

          2. Moderation4ever   10 months ago

            So, when does consideration of that third party start? Because some people think it starts at conception, some at 6, 12, or 15 weeks. Does the third party get consideration over the health of the mother? Does the third party get consideration even if we know that it is damaged and cannot survive once it leaves the womb? Rather than having the state consider a third party that is not yet born, let the people closest to the situation decide and that is the patient and the doctor.

            1. A Thinking Mind   10 months ago

              So, when does consideration of that third party start? Because some people think it starts at conception, some at 6, 12, or 15 weeks.

              And THIS is exactly the question that is being left up to the states because it's in contention, and the way to solve it is not with a centralized mandate. The federalization of very tough and divisive issues is a major feature of our government, not a weakness. Different states will have different populations and circumstances that lead to arriving at different answers AND THAT'S OKAY.

              1. Spiritus Mundi   10 months ago

                There is no right answer, but this is as close as you can get.

              2. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

                "And THIS is exactly the question that is being left up to the states"

                Correct. These people will gnash their teeth at the idea of a national abortion ban as its unfair to half the country who wants unlimited abortion, but not have any insight into the fact that the opposite top-down mandate of no limits on abortion nationwide pisses off the other half just as much.

                Oh and by the way its the most divisive issue involving body autonomy vs ability to murder.

                Sending it back to the states is 1000% the correct move and the only way the most amount of people can get what they want. A top down mandate is a recipe for the largest amount of pissed off people getting trampled on by the govt. We lots of individual states that are larger than many foreign countries in terms of both physical size and GDP. We shouldnt be cramming down rules for all 50 of them at the same time unless its overwhelmingly agreed upon.

              3. Moderation4ever   10 months ago

                But, Roe was not a centralized mandate and it allowed states to regulate abortion but defined the period when it was not the state's business and when it was. My point is that as Republicans are trying to find an acceptable level of regulation, they are moving back to standards set in Roe.

            2. Spiritus Mundi   10 months ago

              Does the third party get consideration over the health of the mother? Does the third party get consideration even if we know that it is damaged and cannot survive once it leaves the womb?

              Do you support a 100% ban on abortion except on these instances? I doubt it. So why are you bring up this red herring? They make up a small precent of all abortions.

            3. damikesc   10 months ago

              Leaving it up to the states is how they determine that.

              Suppose you had a doctor who viewed abortion as shooting a child as it emerges from the birth canal.

              Would THAT be OK?

              1. Medulla Oblongata   10 months ago

                Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz’s elevated profile as Vice President Kamala Harris’ Democratic running mate has led to wider awareness of his staunch support for abortion in his state — including a bill he signed into law last year that removed a requirement to try to save the life of a baby born alive after an attempted abortion.

                A Minnesota law that had been on the books since 1976 required “responsible medical personnel” to use “[a]ll reasonable measures consistent with good medical practice” to “preserve the life and health of the born alive infant.”

                The legislation Walz signed in May 2023 got rid of the word “preserve” and replaced the previous wording with a revised requirement “to care for the infant who is born alive.”

                Pro-lifers say they find that change disturbing.

                “The concern is that the law no longer requires that lifesaving measures be taken. It only requires ‘care.’ So the law as it’s now written could allow a baby to be left to die, even a baby who could be saved with appropriate lifesaving measures,” Paul Stark, communications director with the pro-life group Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life, told the Register.

                The same 2023 Minnesota law also removed a previous requirement to report to the state the deaths of aborted unborn babies 20 weeks’ gestation and older and stopped state funding for pro-life pregnancy centers.

                During the eight years the law was in effect, the state’s health agency reported 24 babies born alive after an attempted abortion. (The breakdown by year is: 2015 (5), 2016 (5), 2017 (3), 2018 (3), 2019 (3), 2020 (0), 2021 (5), 2022 (0).)

                All the babies died. Ten of the 24 cases involved a fatal fetal condition “incompatible with life,” according to the reports. Four babies were medically “pre-viable,” meaning they were deemed too underdeveloped to live on their own. Two were barely clinging to life: one in 2016 had “transient cardiac contractions” and another in 2017 had a low Apgar score, suggesting little chance of resuscitation.

                Eight other cases were described in vaguer language. For seven of them, the reports say, “comfort care measures were provided as planned.” For a baby born alive in 2017, a state report says, “no specific steps taken to preserve life were reported.”

                https://www.ncregister.com/news/tim-walz-born-alive-abortion

        2. Spiritus Mundi   10 months ago

          Also killing your unborn child =/= healthcare. When you have to use euphemisms to get your point out there, maybe, just maybe you need to reconsider.

          1. R Mac   10 months ago

            “Reproductive rights”

          2. Uilleam   10 months ago

            Why aren't more people honest about this? If you're manipulating the wording to make a position more palatable, then your position probably sucks.

            1. Moderation4ever   10 months ago

              True for both side of the issue. Remember "partial birth abortion"?

        3. damikesc   10 months ago

          States already handle licensing and boards. They are ALREADY involved.

          And allowing any group to solely police themselves is a recipe for disaster. Government should not police itself alone, teachers should not police themselves alone, and doctors should not police themselves alone.

          Somebody must watch over the watchers.

      2. TrickyVic (old school)   10 months ago

        I'm agreeing with Mod on this one. Why isn't the state should butt out the correct answer, at least from a libertarian point of view.

        If I were to create a list of people I think a woman should consult before making the decision, the government wouldn't be on it.

        1. A Thinking Mind   10 months ago

          The same reason I shouldn't be allowed to find a quack doctor to euthanize my 4-year-old because the little brat won't just shut the fuck up. If government has any legitimate purpose, it's protecting the essential rights of its citizens-life, liberty, and pursuit of property.

        2. mad.casual   10 months ago

          Why isn’t the state should butt out the correct answer, at least from a libertarian point of view.

          Leftards: Nobody should get between a woman and the killing of her unborn child.

          Also Leftards: We’ve got more regulations on hunting game birds than we do against shooting children [proceeds to pass more regulations against shooting game birds… and guns… and the requisite amount of orange that needs to be worn while using guns to hunt game birds…].

          It’s always tough to tell if the Leftists and the “Libertarians” who passively deflect to or for them are more evil or more stupid. “The state should butt out.” isn’t the answer because people like Robby and ENB still say “Section 230 is the 1A of the internet.” and “Republicans want to end free speech the same way democrats do.”

          From an objectivist point of view, if you can’t possibly conceive of preventing a clump of cells from being killed by someone who wants to kill it even one nanosecond before it becomes an actual human life, in a federated fashion, you aren’t any kind of libertarian or advocate for individual liberty.

          What, exactly, makes you think you get to make a list of people women should/shouldn’t consult? You aren’t standing up for individual liberty, you’re carrying water for evil people who openly despise it. You probably think “Build your own internet.” and “Corporations should have relatively unfettered liberty to require vaccinations as terms of employment, post hoc.” is the correct answer too don’t you?

        3. damikesc   10 months ago

          In a libertarian view, LIFE is the most important right of all.

          Without life, speech et al mean absolutely nothing.

        4. R Mac   10 months ago

          Why do pro-abortion zealots always have to be so disingenuous about the pro-life position?

          1. Uilleam   10 months ago

            Because its an untenable position.

        5. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

          "Why isn’t the state should butt out the correct answer,"

          Its the correct answer if it involves a decision by a consenting adult that doesn't violate the NAP.

          In this case, it involves that consenting adult murdering her child, so, I guess it depends if you think the state should "butt out" if I decide to murder some kids.

    2. Mickey Rat   10 months ago

      Roe v Wade was a piece of federal judicial usurpation of state authority and effectively created one of the most extremist pro-abortion legal regimes in the world. While , in theory, it allowed for resrictions in the 2nd and 3rd trimesters but as applied did not allow for any restrictions and the Left howled when any were proposed.

      Roe was unconstitutional, and radical policy.

      1. Moderation4ever   10 months ago

        How was Roe unconstitutional? The case had 7 of 9 Justices voting in the majority. Dobbs on the other hand only got 6 of 9.

        1. Mickey Rat   10 months ago

          Roe was a judicial usurpation of state authority with specious constitutional justification. Going by a SCOTUS vote is incorrect, as it can be fallible and abuse it powers just as any other branch can. You are going to have to argue as a matter of constitutional law, rather than an appeal to authority.

        2. TrickyVic (old school)   10 months ago

          It was not anchored in any federal way,

          It was never codified on the federal level.
          The Constitution does not explicitly authorize.
          I get why Roe was shot down.

          I'm also curious why government thinks they can ban a woman from doing it. Under what Constitutional (state) element gives government the authority to prevent it.

          1. Michael Ejercito   10 months ago

            States have the authority to exercise police power, subject only to constitutional constraints.

          2. damikesc   10 months ago

            Protecting life is one of the core concepts in the basic concept of governing anybody.

        3. Spiritus Mundi   10 months ago

          Plessy v. Ferguson was 7 to 1. Totally constitutional!!!!

          1. Michael Ejercito   10 months ago

            Here was an interesting comment on reddit.

            https://www.reddit.com/r/supremecourt/comments/z4hh2p/comment/ixtbyrw/

            Not extensively, no. But the crux of my belief is that Roe itself was wrongly decided and that the right to abortion was rooted in a very flimsy legal basis, which made it easy for the Court to overturn it in Dobbs. Rather than simply a right to privacy, I believe that the Due Process Clause guarantees a right to bodily autonomy. Denial of bodily autonomy is certainly a deprivation of liberty in my opinion. However this right—like many others—probably isn’t unlimited. The Court has issued two rulings in the past that rejected that a right to bodily autonomy exists: Buck v. Bell and Jacobson v. Massachusetts. In Jacobson, it upheld that a man could be fined for violating a statute which required that he be vaccinated for smallpox. Buck, on the other hand, is one of the most horrific decisions ever handed down by the Court. It ruled that the forced sterilization of an “incorrigible” 18 year old woman was constitutional. I believe these cases were egregiously wrong and that a right to bodily autonomy does exist under the Due Process Clause and ought to be recognized by the Court.

            1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   10 months ago

              Bodily Autonomy also includes assisted suicide - another conservative no-go. Also recreational drug use/prostitution et al.

              When it comes to the most basic freedoms conservatives suck.

              1. Mickey Rat   10 months ago

                The idea that their is no right to assisted suicide is rooted in the idea that one’s right to life is inalienable, so you cannot consent to have someone kill you. Just as liberty is inalienable, so you cannot consent to be someone’s legal slave.

                Progressivism tends to make human rights conditional rather than absolute, and so undermines the whole idea.

              2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

                turd, the ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
                If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
                turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.

              3. damikesc   10 months ago

                "Bodily Autonomy also includes assisted suicide"

                "Assisted suicide" is, you know, murder.

                Suicide is a SOLO action.

              4. R Mac   10 months ago

                I completely support you killing yourself.

              5. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

                turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
                turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

        4. I, Woodchipper   10 months ago

          Lol. Did you read it?

    3. Rick James   10 months ago

      What Republicans are finding out is that Roe was basically a good decision that which most everyone could agree

      Legal abortion with limits… so… I found a place where the loudest, noisy activists and most Americans disagree.

      1. Minadin   10 months ago

        Remember, the Dobbs case that ended Roe was brought to court by progressive pro-abortion zealots who didn't like the 'reasonable' 15- week limits imposed by a state law.

        1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   10 months ago

          I did not know this. That is funny as hell.

      2. LIBtranslator   10 months ago

        Roe was the 1972 Libertarian Population plank. The Suprema Corte copied it into the Austin, Texas Roe case less than a month after our first electoral vote was cast naming a woman on the top ticket.

    4. LIBtranslator   10 months ago

      The idea is to keep anyone from realizing Roe was in the 1972 and 1976 Libertarian platforms. After Ayn Rand spat on Reagan's girl-bullying pretensions, erasing that from national memory became as imperative as infiltrating the LP with Jesus Caucus anarco-Nazis wearing jackboots on their heads.

  22. damikesc   10 months ago

    I do love how she admits that her policies do not reflect her values. You cannot have a 180 degree in your policies and not change your values unless your policies have nothing to do with your values.

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   10 months ago

      Fatass Donnie proved values don't matter.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

        turd, the TDS-addled ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

      2. damikesc   10 months ago

        What did he campaign on that he made no efforts to bring to fruition?

        Anything?

        BTW, don't you hate both parties? Then why are you munching on Kamala's cunt as feverishly as you slobbered on Joe's cock for the last 3 years?

      3. R Mac   10 months ago

        You were banned for posting a link to child porn.

      4. I, Woodchipper   10 months ago

        How so?

  23. Longtobefree   10 months ago

    "Should Medicaid cover Ozempic and Wegovy?"

    Does it cost less than a lifetime (however shortened) of diabetes treatments?

    1. CE   10 months ago

      Will government also cover the class action lawsuits later?

  24. JFree   10 months ago

    we will also allow new parents to deduct major newborn expenses from their taxes so that parents who have a beautiful baby will be able…we’re pro-family, nobody’s ever said that before

    Well of course we should ensure tax deductions and govt support for beautiful babies. Also yoooge babies. The problem is government is spending way too much subsidizing ugly little shithole babies.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

      Didn't know you were an ugly little shithole baby; no wonder you're a steaming pile of lefty shit.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   10 months ago

        Lighten up, Francis.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

          turd, TDS-addled ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
          If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

        2. R Mac   10 months ago

          Turn yourself in for your crimes against children.

  25. TrickyVic (old school)   10 months ago

    ""A politician calling them "weapons of war, that I carried in war" is not a grammatical issue""

    I never heard anyone call their combat rifle a weapon of war. Dude was definitely admin.

    1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   10 months ago

      AR-15 is not what he carried, the AR-15 is semi-automatic only.
      The military uses the M-16.

      That’s like me buying a Toyota Camry and saying it’s exactly the same as the cars racing on NASCAR tracks on sundays

    2. A Thinking Mind   10 months ago

      This is my rifle, this is my gun!

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

        'This is for fighting, this is for fun' - I remember that.

  26. Roberta   10 months ago

    …

    Setting aside that last bit, that Trump is the first politician to tout a “pro-family” stance,

    And having such TDS that you don’t get the joke.

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   10 months ago

      Liz has TDS?

      Her editorial position (and likely personal too) is that of a libertarian. She is perfectly rational.

      Surprised to find you are in the Trump Cult.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

        turd, the ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

      2. LIBtranslator   10 months ago

        Note to foreign readers: Liz Lizard is an antichoice mystical fanatic eager for someone else to coerce and kill other women at gunpoint. She and Robot Girl Stephie are Army Of God or Jesus Caucus celebrity infiltrators here to appease girl-bullying mystics of the big-tent circus. Trump, like Manson, has the occasional female-looking follower.

    2. chemjeff radical individualist   10 months ago

      Yes we know. Only a Certified Trump Whisperer (tm) can correctly tell when to take him seriously but not literally and when to take him literally but not seriously and when to take him not seriously at all and whatever else.

      1. R Mac   10 months ago

        You don’t realize saying Trump is the “FIRST”politician to tout a “pro-family” stance is a joke?

        1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   10 months ago

          Jeff is completely humorless.

    3. LIBtranslator   10 months ago

      Teedy Roosevelt started a War on Birth Control in 1902. To him it was Race Suicide, a gateway superstition leading to Reefer Madness, Prohibition and The Crash.

  27. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   10 months ago

    Harris proved she could handle less than 30 minutes, unscripted, without botching any answers, but she also said nothing especially revealing or deep.

    Yes, Kammy was superficial.

    But after Fatass Donnie's crazy banshee nutcase rantings she managed somehow to seem presidential.

    Plus she came off the stupid fracking ban and Medicare-For-All bullshit.

    Watched a bit of the Fox News idiots and they were disappointed that she didn't ramble like an idiot (this time).

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

      turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    2. Bertram Guilfoyle   10 months ago

      Bring back Well Adjusted Biden Guy, the most evergreen sock name you've ever used.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   10 months ago

        Wasn't me. That is AmSoc. (I'm embarrassed to read enough here to know that)

        If I do a sock it will have a very clever name.

        When the Bushpigs were here and it was easy to sock I used 'Dickless Cheney' for example.

        1. Bertram Guilfoyle   10 months ago

          Your slip with “peanuts” gave that lie away already, ass-hat.

          And hell, why would it be surprising if American socialist is another of yours as well?

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   10 months ago

            I didn't coin "Peanuts" you idiot. Others used it in the past.

            An editor at Reason did by dismissing H&R as the "Peanut Gallery". I do like the derisive tone of it though.

            1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

              turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
              turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

            2. Bertram Guilfoyle   10 months ago

              No one said you coined it, you aren't intelligent enough to coin anything. Neither did any reason editor.

              It is very fitting and unsurprising that you would use the term, which was popularized by a children's program, given your posting history.

            3. R Mac   10 months ago

              I assume you’re into Charlie Brown porn, pedo.

        2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

          The TDS-addled ass-wipe of the commentariat turd, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
          If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

        3. Bertram Guilfoyle   10 months ago

          “I used ‘Dickless Cheney’ for example.”

          You’re a Cheney admirer. And you’re using this as an example of cleverness? No one has ever made fun of the first name “Dick” before you did!

        4. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   10 months ago

          Speak for yourself, Bushpig Cheney admirer.

    3. damikesc   10 months ago

      Look at pedo, falling in line as usual.

      As usual, you don't have to fall in love. Just fall in line. Pedo does that. He knows his role.

    4. R Mac   10 months ago

      Thanks for admitting you’re pro-Kamala.

    5. I, Woodchipper   10 months ago

      But after Fatass Donnie’s crazy banshee nutcase rantings

      Show your work

  28. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

    "...angering the pro-life flank of his party (and also yours truly)."

    FOAD, TDS-addled pile of shit.

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   10 months ago

      Sevo hates Liz and ENB.

      You really should get out of the Tenderloin, Sevo.

      edit - Where is the poster 'Sevo is my bitch'? You are my favorite sock here - whoever you are.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

        turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   10 months ago

          Sevo, you are one angry homosexual. You should not have been so close to that Michael Savage you know. He rubbed off on you.

          1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

            turd, the TDS-addled shitstain of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
            If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
            turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

          2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

            Oh, and turd is stupid enough to find his comment somehow 'clever', but he does have a heaping helping of "stupid" to go with his pathological inability to tell the truth.
            FOAD, asshole.

            1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   10 months ago

              How is Michael Savage these days?

              1. Bertram Guilfoyle   10 months ago

                Sick burn, dude.

              2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

                The TDS-addled turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
                turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

  29. Rick James   10 months ago

    Conducted by CNN’s Dana Bash, who was overly polite and conciliatory, Democratic nominee Kamala Harris purportedly passed the “test”—whether she could answer questions competently without the aid of a teleprompter, in an unscripted setting—in the eyes of the media.

    Bash interview with Trump:

    Bash: he’s not trapped in here with me, I’m trapped in here with him!

    Bash interview with Harris:

    Harris isn’t trapped in here with me, America is trapped in here with her!

    1. CE   10 months ago

      When one candidate is literally Hitler, and one candidate is America's sweetheart (plus her weird dad, who's the same age), you have to treat them differently.

  30. Rick James   10 months ago

    Setting aside that last bit, that Trump is the first politician to tout a "pro-family" stance, there is truly no reason for government to pay for IVF treatments.

    The unfortunate thing here is, IVF probably won't fix the birth gap by focusing on upper middle-class white women who delayed childbirth.

    1. TrickyVic (old school)   10 months ago

      But if you need a new kitten...

    2. Roberta   10 months ago

      Of course not, any more than the decision half a century ago to have government pay for hemodialysis produced immortality.

      1. Roberta   10 months ago

        If the policy is enacted, there'll probably be a boom in IVF clinics as there was in hemodialysis clinics. Another example of the difference between capitalism and free enterprise.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

          Bullshit. A difference between free trade and gov't subsidies.

    3. LIBtranslator   10 months ago

      Ackshully Hitler was the second or third, after TR and the Kaiser. The Nazi State, said der Führer 01FEB1933, "will extend its strong, protecting hand over Christianity as the basis of our entire morality, and the family as the germ cell of the body of our Volk and State." Trump just copies more Hitler speeches than the usual Guller-Of-Populist orator. It takes a peculiarly ignorant brainwashee to doublethink this away.

  31. Use the Schwartz   10 months ago

    So that interview should quell all the Dem's manufactured "joy" and "excitement."

    All the air in the balloon just went flbtflbtflbtflbtflbtflbtflbtflbt...

    1. LIBtranslator   10 months ago

      The air in the Christian National Socialist girl-bullier zeppelin went BLOOEY! The commentator went: "Oh! The inanity!!"

  32. Rick James   10 months ago

    Police in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, are targeting the greatest scourge of our times: Claw machines and plush dolls.

    If it doesn't link to the women of Carnivale, I ain't clickin' on it.

    1. damikesc   10 months ago

      I love that Brazil's Supreme Court is not a regular target of derision but this level of nonsense is.

      1. R Mac   10 months ago

        Yeah, there’s some more important things happening with the legal system in Brazil at the moment.

        Also pretty concerning (though not surprising) that our government doesn’t seem concerned with Brazil going after a US citizen so brazenly.

  33. Rick James   10 months ago

    Watch Michael Moynihan and Batya Ungar-Sargon disagree on how Kamala Harris performed last night, clash starts around one hour in, courtesy of The Free Press.

    Has anyone ever seen Batua Ungar-Sargon and CNNs Kaitlan Collins in the same room together?

    1. mad.casual   10 months ago

      Why? What are you proposing?

    2. R Mac   10 months ago

      Michael Malice is the hero we never knew we needed:

      https://x.com/michaelmalice/status/1829239983837770209

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   10 months ago

        Sometimes I feel like Malice is not guilty of afore thought.

    3. Medulla Oblongata   10 months ago

      Has anyone seen David Hogg and Greta Thunberg in the same room together?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   10 months ago

        Now that you mention it.........

  34. Minadin   10 months ago

    Running mate/Minnesota Nice guy Tim Walz

    I wonder if the coastal elites realize (or ever even considered the possibility) that the term 'Minnesota Nice' is not exactly considered a compliment.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

      Well, he was Harris' chaperone for the high school dance last night.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

      The Land of 10,000 Manifestations of Passive-Aggressive Behavior.

      1. R Mac   10 months ago

        Lol.

  35. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   10 months ago

    Data Don’t Lie: Biden’s Economic Record is Much Better than Trump’s
    ...
    The most basic measure of the economy is how much it grows. The official data from the Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) are clear: After inflation, real GDP has grown at a 3.4 average annual rate since Biden became president, while Trump trails badly at an average 1.8 percent growth. Trump allies aren’t wrong when they complain that the 2020 downturn wasn’t his fault, so we’ll give him a pass for the year. The result still shows more robust growth under Biden: From 2017 to 2019, the economy grew an average of 2.8 percent per year, a rate still 18 percent slower than under Biden.
    ....
    Based on investment rates, American business has preferred Biden’s economy: Since January 2021, real fixed business investment has increased at a 5.4 percent annual rate, twice the 2.7 percent average rate under Trump. And here, too, Trump lags Biden even with his pandemic pass for 2020: Real business investment increased on average by 5.0 percent per year from 2017 to 2019, compared to Biden’s 5.4 percent annual rate.
    ...
    On employment—on top of growth, investment, and consumer spending—Biden puts Trump’s record to shame. The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reports that since Biden became president, the number of Americans with jobs has increased by 14.3 million—versus a net loss of 2.7 million over Trump’s term, the first decline since Herbert Hoover.
    ...
    New business creation is another gauge of the economy’s health. There’s no reason to set aside 2020 and 2021 since entrepreneurial activity thrived during the pandemic. Based on the official data from the Census Bureau, applications to start new businesses averaged 304,000 per month over Trump’s term, peaking at an average of 365,000 monthly in 2020. It’s a decent record but not as good as Biden’s: From 2021 to 2023, applications for business starts averaged 444,000 per month, an average nearly 50 percent higher than under Trump.

    https://washingtonmonthly.com/2024/01/26/data-dont-lie-bidens-economic-record-is-much-better-than-trumps/

    #CheesyPoofsTooHigh!

    1. Bertram Guilfoyle   10 months ago

      Remember when you posted an article about fast food loss leader promotions and said that meant food prices are coming down?

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

        wrong place

      2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   10 months ago

        The $5 McDonalds promo?

        They made it permanent. Eat it up.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

          turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
          turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

        2. Bertram Guilfoyle   10 months ago

          Glad to see you still don’t understand the concept. Are you related to sarc and jeff?

          1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

            turd suffers the same sort of brain-damage.

    2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

      turd, the TDS-addled ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    3. damikesc   10 months ago

      Gee, states shutting themselves down lowered applications for new business?

      Color me stunned.

      Pedo has fallen in line with the Dems. As expected.

      1. JasonT20   10 months ago

        Gee, states shutting themselves down lowered applications for new business?

        How come the data from the Census Bureau shows the opposite of that?

        Based on the official data from the Census Bureau, applications to start new businesses averaged 304,000 per month over Trump’s term, peaking at an average of 365,000 monthly in 2020.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

          ^This is the steaming pile of lefty shit who supports murder as a preventative measure for something or other:

          JasonT20
          February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
          “How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”

        2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

          "How come the data from the Census Bureau shows the opposite of that?"

          You are a gullible POS, ain't you?

    4. CE   10 months ago

      The gaslighting will continue until everyone is rich.

    5. R Mac   10 months ago

      Nobody buys your bullshit pedo.

  36. Michael Ejercito   10 months ago

    Here is more from the lawsuit against Media Matters.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/29/judge-rules-against-media-matters-request-to-dismiss-lawsuit-by-x.html

    O’Connor denied the nonprofit’s effort to have the case dismissed, saying in a filing that the plaintiff “has properly pled its claims.”

  37. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

    "Arlington cemetery worker was ‘pushed aside’ in Trump staff dispute but won’t press charges"
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/signal-president-says-she-spent-2-sleepless-days-dealing-with-the-fallout-of-elon-musk-s-criticism/ar-AA1pEKcG?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=f7aafbc619064549ab70182f9d9c2450&ei=17

    Gee, maybe there was something here that isn't as it seems?
    "...The Army spokesman said the cemetery employee was trying to make sure those participating in Monday’s wreath-laying ceremony to mark the third anniversary of the Abbey Gate attack at the Kabul airport were following the rules, which “clearly prohibit political activities on cemetery grounds...”

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

      Link for the “…political activities…”
      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/arlington-cemetery-worker-was-pushed-aside-in-trump-staff-dispute-but-won-t-press-charges/ar-AA1pFXT5?ocid=BingNewsSerp

      Who do you think might have contacted the folks at the cemetery and inquired if there was any way possible to keep Trump from making Harris/Biden look like the asses they are?

  38. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

    Wrong place

  39. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

    "Signal president says she spent 2 sleepless days dealing with the fallout of Elon Musk's criticism"
    [...]
    "Elon Musk's tweet in May about Signal's vulnerabilities caused significant fallout for the app.
    Signal's president, Meredith Whittaker, refuted Musk's claims, calling them baseless.
    Criticism from Telegram's CEO and the hacker community added to Signal's security concerns.
    In the virtual world, few things are as challenging as handling the fallout from a controversial tweet from Elon Musk..."
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/signal-president-says-she-spent-2-sleepless-days-dealing-with-the-fallout-of-elon-musk-s-criticism/ar-AA1pEKcG?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=f7aafbc619064549ab70182f9d9c2450&ei=17

    CEO as snowflake.

    1. I, Woodchipper   10 months ago

      rocket man bad, doncha know?

  40. Rick James   10 months ago

    Wow, former Reason alum Moynihan is capable of discussing immigration and leaving the word "illegal" in the rejoinder. He also acknowledges that if you increase the supply of something, the price goes down. That's a bygone era of Reason, amirite kids?

    1. Rick James   10 months ago

      Holy shit, listen to that Moynihan podcast… Ungar-Sargon’s stream-of-consciousness, open-mic riff fleetingly acknowledges the Democrats’ utter retardation on immigration. And she does it in that post-COVID-style acknowledge-but-dismiss-so-we-ca-move-on "yeah yeah, masks didn't work, the vaccine didn't work, lockdowns didn't work... but still..."

      1. Ajsloss   10 months ago

        And she does it in that post-COVID-style acknowledge-but-dismiss-so-we-ca-move-on

        Don't you even amnesty, bro?

    2. chemjeff radical individualist   10 months ago

      Yes we know, your team is deeply committed to emphasizing the distinction between legal and illegal immigration, when they continue to refer to asylum seekers, who are here legally, as "illegals".

      1. R Mac   10 months ago

        Poor Lying Jeffy.

        1. JasonT20   10 months ago

          You can say that someone is an "illegal immigrant" if they crossed the border illegally and then sought out border authorities to make their asylum claim if you want. But anyone that followed the law in order to make their asylum claim is, by definition, not here illegally. That is what I take as jeff's point, and it is correct.

          1. R Mac   10 months ago

            Poor JasonT20.

            1. rbike   10 months ago

              If they are not shot in the neck first, right T20? That would be totally fair. Right?

          2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

            ^This is the steaming pile of lefty shit who supports murder as a preventative measure for something or other:

            JasonT20
            February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
            “How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?…”

            FOAD, asshole.

          3. chemjeff radical individualist   10 months ago

            The fact that they even argue or dispute this point shows that I'm correct. Their gripe is not concern for enforcing the law as written, it is concern that they are even present in the US at all, legally or not.

            1. R Mac   10 months ago

              All Lying Jeffy does is lie.

          4. Medulla Oblongata   10 months ago

            If they are knowingly making a false claim for asylum, as so very many do, their "legality" is highly suspect.

            1. R Mac   10 months ago

              Lying Jeffy thinks it’s ok to lie.

        2. Chupacabra   10 months ago

          Newcomers have a constitutional right to masturbate onto underage rape victims.

      2. Nobartium   10 months ago

        There is at least one safe country that the vast majority of them could have applied in, but they didn't, therefore illegal.

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   10 months ago

          LEGALLY SPEAKING, the "third safe country rule" only applies to countries with which the US has an agreement to that effect. The only other country with which the US has a 'safe third country' agreement is Canada. So no, not 'illegal' according to the law.

          1. damikesc   10 months ago

            Biden ended it. Trump can reinstate it.

            Economic refugees are not refugees under international law.

      3. I, Woodchipper   10 months ago

        Correct. No more asylum seekers. It's all a sham.

        1. Bertram Guilfoyle   10 months ago

          A sham? You mean to tell me that all these people weren’t rescuing Esmeralda from execution, or some other equivalent situation?

          1. rbike   10 months ago

            Only Jeffy believes that. Proving you need to be stupid to believe more than 2% are honest asylum seekers.

  41. ravenshrike   10 months ago

    I’m confused, at what point does Trump’s opinion on an abortion law in Florida, the state in which he currently lives, translate to pushing for lenient abortion laws nationwide?

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

      When some TDS-addled pile of shit says so, like his connection with P 2025. Largely imaginary but satisfying to TDS-addled shit piles.

  42. chemjeff radical individualist   10 months ago

    You know, there is a candidate running who DOESN'T think the government should pay for IVF treatment, or force insurers to pay for IVF treatment.

    But he once waved a Pride flag and wore a mask, so that's totally unacceptable.

    1. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

      "But he once waved a Pride flag and wore a mask, so that’s totally unacceptable."

      I wouldn't say unacceptable, but does make him a pussy. And since he acts like a pussy, and looks like a pussy, I dont think anyone will take him seriously as president

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   10 months ago

        KamKam is right on one thing: this is truly a “vibe election”.

        Chase Oliver: has the correct policy, but “acts like a pussy” (according to you): unacceptable
        Trump: has some pretty bad policies, but “acts tough” and “pwns the libs”: that’s my guy!

        It’s people like you who are throwing their votes away, voting on the basis of superficial “vibes” instead of on the basis of policy.

        And before anyone gets pissy: lots of Team Blue voters are voting on the basis of superficial "vibes" as well

        1. R Mac   10 months ago

          Some people think chemical castration of children is abhorrent.

          1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

            And a lot of people know the drunk Jeffie is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.

        2. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

          Oh lets be clear: im voting *against* the California radical progressive that supports open borders, wealth taxes, increased taxes on me, and unlimited abortion. Not *for* any Trump vibes, even if I do like that he puts out the vibe to potential adversaries that he may just fuck them up if they piss off America

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   10 months ago

            psst: you can vote against the California radical progressive with a vote for Chase just as much as you can with a vote for Inmate No. P01135809

            1. Bertram Guilfoyle   10 months ago

              Why is it impossible for you to grasp that someone might view Oliver as a worse candidate than either Trump or Harris?

        3. Bertram Guilfoyle   10 months ago

          "Chase Oliver: has the correct policy"

          Nope.

        4. Nobartium   10 months ago

          Politics still ain't noble. And it never will be.

        5. Commenter_XY   10 months ago

          Chase Oliver has...

          no private sector experience, he cannot manage his way out of an open paper bag
          no government experience at state, or federal level

          Aside from this, he is awesome....for the munchkin vote.

      2. LIBtranslator   10 months ago

        Note to foreign readers. You all know who Parsons is in Orwell's 1984.

    2. Bertram Guilfoyle   10 months ago

      "he once waved a Pride flag and wore a mask, so that’s totally unacceptable."

      You and sarc's strawman yet again. Is it just possible, could there be any other reason to not vote for Oliver?

      1. Jefferson Paul   10 months ago

        It make one wonder if the only reason chemjeff and sarc support Chase Oliver is because he's gay. It's the one thing they both mention about Chase more than anything else.

    3. Rick James   10 months ago

      But he once waved a Pride flag

      Only once.

    4. LIBtranslator   10 months ago

      Better a girl-bullying Republican, but only AFTER dead of Communivirus.

  43. CE   10 months ago

    Her big night is a scripted interview with softball questions and multiple choice answers?

  44. bobby oshea   10 months ago

    Harris proved she could handle less than 30 minutes, _unscripted_ *{proof needed}*, without botching any answers, but she also said nothing especially revealing or deep.

    1. ravenshrike   10 months ago

      Latest rumor is that the interview questions went on for 40ish minutes, but even with the complete lobs being tossed their way the Harris camp demanded over half be cut.

      1. damikesc   10 months ago

        CNN should feel shame that they went along with the demand.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

          CNN's management is capable of shame?!

      2. LIBtranslator   10 months ago

        Who'd've guessed? A republican girl-bullier rumor mill.

  45. CindyF   10 months ago

    Some are saying the CNN interview of Harris and Walz was originally 41 minutes long.

    The Harris Campaign objected to over HALF of the interview being shown.

    I'd like to see the entire interview or at least the unedited transcripts.

    I bet the Harris campaign is going to say "Okay, you have heard from the candidate and that's all you are going to get. Vote for Harris/Walz if you want to know more!"

    It's like one of those 20 minute infomercials that promise you the secrets to perfect health if you will just send ten dollars and cast this one vote.

    I've heard enough and suffered enough over the past 3 and a half years. I don't need to know or hear more. I'll vote for Trump and hope he can reverse at least a portion of the damage inflicted on our nation by the Biden/Harris administration. Ridding us of the corrupt DOJ/FBI would be considered a success.

    1. LIBtranslator   10 months ago

      I believe anything a Republican female impersonator sockpuppet interjects anonymously into the commentariat after hearing it somewhere. Especially if "some are saying" and "many of not most Americans" nod like opium smokers at the recitation. Is Cindy the female presentation of ATF?

  46. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   10 months ago

    Hey Sarc, Jeffy, Pluggazoid, this is for you:

    https://x.com/nicoleshanahan/status/1829291690277966165?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA

  47. mad.casual   10 months ago

    That awkward, shared, Boomer, Gen X, and Millennial “Dead head sticker on a Cadillac” moment when you realize that all your (and your Dad's and maybe your Dad's Dad's) top “Damn the man! Blow up the system!” heroes for the last 60+ yrs. really wanted to be a part of the system but just didn’t understand the contracts.

    Grohl was personally probably the most upsetting. Not because I particularly like the guy or the band(s) or the music but the “choice” to use the proceeds to donate to Harris’ campaign makes Axl Rose’s choice to write a parody and donate the profits to charity look like benevolent genius.

    Makes me glad that I haven’t paid a dime for anyone’s music in the last 30-some years.

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   10 months ago

      The only big name musicians that I know of who publically came out against the Covid tyranny are Van Morrison and Eric Clapton. And they were pilloried by the press, notably Rolling Stone for their efforts. It was like watching what has been done to JK Rowlings. Suddenly guys that gave us decades of great music were literal Hitler. The only record I've actually bought in years is Van Morrison's Latest Record Project that came out in the middle of that shit and includes some of what we used to call protest songs. Really hard to see people I respected, including musicians and Reason editors, turn into unapologetic authoritarians. But like Fauci and Birx. Never forgive. Never forget.

  48. TJJ2000   10 months ago

    “Everybody wanted Roe v. Wade terminated”
    Who’s this ‘everybody’???
    Why is ?everybody? so excited to Gov-Gun the neighbors pregnant wife?

    Poll after poll showed over and over again the general public (both D & R voters) NEVER wanted Roe v Wade terminated. As-if the 4th Amendment is suppose to be put to popular vote.

    If you cannot support ?baby? freedom (i.e. fetal ejection)
    UR supporting Gov-Gun FORCED reproduction.
    Which violates the 4th and 13th Amendments in the US Constitution.

  49. LIBtranslator   10 months ago

    A blonde Lizard Trumpette walks into a bar wearing a KAGA hat November 9, 2024...

  50. BioBehavioral_View   10 months ago

    Biology Rules

    Behaviorally, biology accounts for 70% of the variance; environment for 30%. In modern America, revealing that fact prompts derision. Certainly, Marxism ignores that fact. We'd like to believe that we are all captains of our respective ships and masters of our receptive fates. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    All life-forms including humans are somatic shells that survive to propagate the germ-plasm. Given our large brains, we, however are unique. If there is purpose, ours is to allow the Universe to report to itself about itself. We and others like us elsewhere, be there such creatures, are the eyes and ears of the Cosmos.

    The Scriptures tell us to be fruitful. We have been successful — too successful. We have become a curse to many of the rest of our fellow creatures.

    Since 1800 AD, the consequences of the parabolic increase in human reproduction have been disastrous upon the environment and many of its species. We humans have exterminated thousands of other species and continue to do so. Even more devastating, we intentionally have despoiled the environment, destroying the habitats of many other species; thereby, exterminating the creatures that lived therein. Behavior has its consequences.

    In the end, biology will rule. If Euro-Caucasians and Orientals stop reproducing, they will be replaced by African Negroes. Reproduction will not end. You will.

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