J.D. Vance Wants To Control You With Taxes
People making the same income should be paying the same level of taxes no matter how they choose to live their lives.

Republican vice presidential nominee J.D. Vance has been in the news for an old clip of him talking about how the tax code should punish adults without kids. While Vance's proposal probably aims to address demographic concerns, it represents a misguided approach that contradicts fundamental principles of economic freedom and fairness.
And you know what? That's precisely what our tax code already does, in this case and many others.
Using the tax code to "reward" parents and "punish" nonparents is at odds with the idea of a neutral, efficient tax system. In an ideal and fair world, the tax base would be broad but taxed at a low rate. People making the same income should be paying the same level of taxes no matter how they choose to live their lives.
Unfortunately, the tax code is neither fair nor neutral. It punishes and rewards all sorts of behaviors based on what government officials decide is good or bad.
For instance, the tax code does, in fact, treat people with kids more favorably than it treats those who do not have kids.* There's the child tax credit, of course. Then there's the earned income tax credit, which is more generous for families with children than those without. And there is no shortage of other provisions, such as a very significant deduction for heads of households and another for dependent care, which do the same thing.
It's hard to know what Vance's proposal really entails. Does he want another surtax on childless parents? Does he want to expand the child tax credit and make it a universal basic income like many conservatives and progressives want? It's also unclear whether he is simply failing to see that our tax code already delivers on his wishes and punishes childless adults. Either way, I assume he is well intentioned and that he is rightfully concerned about the decline in fertility we are witnessing not just in this country but across the world.
Unfortunately, punishing childless parents with additional taxes wouldn't boost fertility. For one thing, we've had a child tax credit since the 1990s, and the tax break has been regularly extended. That hasn't encouraged people to have more kids.
That's not unique to the child tax credit. Lots of evidence exists showing that government programs of all sorts meant to encourage, reward, or stimulate the supply of babies usually fail. One of the most dramatic examples is South Korea. The country has spent over $200 billion on such policies over the past 16 years, and fertility rates are still falling.
There isn't any doubt that more people, and hence more babies, are a boon for our lives and our economy. But that alone isn't a good reason for government subsidies. And while raising kids is expensive, that's no justification for a government tax break, either.
Besides, careful studies have shown the cost of raising a child in America has been decreasing for six decades. In the end, rather than rewarding families with lesser taxes at the expense of childless adults, I would encourage advocates to focus on removing existing government barriers—like overzealous policies that make child care more expensive without making kids measurably safer—that make life more complicated for families.
Ultimately, these are only secondary aspects of a much bigger debate. Our tax code is incredibly unfair. It's not just childless adults that face a surcharge compared to parents. Tax breaks for homeowners mean that renters pay more money for the same amount of housing. Households which include a college student pay less in taxes. People who can afford an electric vehicle can secure a tax break that others cannot.
These tax breaks for some are not just unfair to the taxpayers who don't get them—they also turn our tax code into a complicated mess that requires many millions of collective hours to comply with. Instead of adding more complexity and bias, we should be moving in the opposite direction—toward a simpler, flatter, and more neutral code that treats all taxpayers equally.
Using the tax code as a tool for social engineering is misguided. It leads to economic inefficiencies and infringes on individual liberty. Rather than doubling down on the problematic aspects of our current system, we should be working toward comprehensive reform. Only then can we hope to see taxes as something that truly serves the interests of all Americans, regardless of their personal choices.
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Kamala wants to take away your ability to cook properly and make you pay for transgender surgeries for convicted felons.
So, let's call it even.
Ya, if we are going to subsidize things as a society, at least subsidizing an intact family with children yields a statistical benefit to everyone involved and society itself.
I would be on board with cutting everyone's taxes, personally, but the dems aint gonna make that happen anytime in the near future. But if we are going to be in the business of subsidizing something, it should probably be families and businesses. You know, the investments that will pretty certainly pay dividends.
let’s call it even.
NO! TAX CUT’S ARE BAD! Especially if breeders don’t have to pay their fair share!
It’s practically cOnTrOLLinG yoU…
Those precious taxes could be put towards free rent, food and healthcare for illegals, the true libertarian heroes.
I am very smrt and libertarian.
it represents a misguided approach that contradicts fundamental principles of economic freedom and fairness.
Neither of which does our constitution protect.
For instance, the tax code does, in fact, treat people without kids more favorably than it treats those who do have kids. There's the child tax credit, of course. Then there's the earned income tax credit, which is more generous for families with children than those without. And there is no shortage of other provisions, such as a very significant deduction for heads of households and another for dependent care, which do the same thing.
The first sentence in this paragraph contradicts the rest. I'm going to assume that this is a mistake from copypasta-ing.
It's that way in the original too. Can't blame Reason this time. Rats...
Looks like it's a matter of word games: "tax code" and "tax credits" apparently are considered to be unrelated by some people, but for most of us, it's how much we are permitted to keep as a bottom line number that matters.
Tax credits are meaningfully different in that it's a means for people to run negative total taxes and be refunded more than their total contributions.
Vote Democrat.
They don’t use taxes for social engineering.
Lulz
Yes to this. This is how you know reason is a bunch of dem shills
It does imply that, but no, she isn't. She is a classic conservative economist who favors "free markets" that give preferential treatment to investors. I mostly agree with her, but she does need to STFU about anyone else carving off an exception here or there.
And of course the fucking Democrats would never use the IRS to attack their political enemies.
>People making the same income should be paying the same level of taxes no matter how they choose to live their lives.
Except that we accept that taxing capital gains at a lower rate than employment income is sound economic policy.
You've already lost the 'we shouldn't social engineer' argument.
Except that we accept that taxing capital gains at a lower rate than employment income is sound economic policy.
You’ve already lost the ‘we shouldn’t social engineer’ argument
??? Who is "we"? Her statement implies she's opposed to different tax rates on capital gains.
You guys are really leaning into this hot take of his that had nothing to do with taxes in the first place, aren't you.
Libertarians against any and all tax cuts that a conservative suggests. This has been an ongoing theme. See how Boehm has even been arguing the Trump tax cuts were bad because deficit. Even though spending is the cause of all deficits.
"Libertarians against any and all tax cuts that a conservative suggests."
But how are we going to PAY FOR those irresponsible Trump tax cuts?!?!?!
- definitely libertarians
The correct answer is "Fuck you, cut spending!"
Until spending is cut, it’s irresponsible to do the thing that conservatives want. No, this logic doesn’t apply anywhere else.
No it isn't. Because the "Fuck you, cut spending" folks never come up with any politically possible cuts that would do much of anything to reduce the budget deficit. Over 3/4 of the federal budget is Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, National Defense, and interest on past borrowing.
So dump Medicare and Medicaid. Those two are the killers.
And do a lump-sum payout of Social Security, then axe it too.
Rewarding parents for creating future taxpayers sounds like pretty good idea, given that government is not going to stop using taxes for social engineering anlnyway.
Only if you have a way of guaranteeing they create future taxpayers, and not future welfare grifters, or criminals, or worse of all, politicians.
Hey now. Illegal immigration is the source of all future tax revenue. You know after we stop spending 150B a year on them. But we should still spend 150B a year on them, because in 30 years maybe they will be net contributors.
Rewarding parents for creating…
Why should I have to subsidize other people’s fuck trophies?
The media (in general, not just here) sure seems to be desperate to pin something, anything, on JD Vance. As though he's the one they're running against..
err that the Democrat party is running against.
Anyway, if they had any shame, the media would have way more articles on Kamala Harris' positions, policy, and personal history than Vance's. Being as, you know, she's running for PRESIDENT, a position of power coequal to the Congress and the Court, while Vance is running for VP, which is pretty much a powerless post unless the Senate needs a tie breaker vote.
"Anyway, if they had any shame, the media would have way more articles on Kamala Harris’ positions, policy, and personal history than Vance’s."
Uh, sir, we arent going to have time for that. On page 1 we have to cover recent celebrity propaganda event, page 2, we have a profile on the strength Kamala brings through her various diversity checkboxes, page 3 about how when you think about it Kamala is the only candidate that represents democracy and freedom, page 4 will be a glowing profile about how awesome she is of a step mom to weird Al Yankovich...ermmm...her daughter, and page 5 on how she's the most qualified candidate ever according to the Obamas and the Clintons.
I tell you what we can do, we can scrub the record of her policies, and then tomorrow on page 1, we can print a lengthy piece on how any policy position you heard her sign on to, on video, yesterday, is right wing propaganda cheap fake misinformation.
We good?
This man must work for the New York Times.
You're not wrong, but I'll push back a little bit. Trump is 78 and at high risk of assassination. Vance probably has as high of a chance of assuming the presidency as Kamala has since 2020. Of course the media should have scrutinized her before 2020 and during her time as VP, but we know they were never going to do that.
If Reason or the media at large had any interest in being fair or honest then Harris would be getting way more coverage and most of it would be negative. Instead they lean heavily into odd lines of attack against Vance.
Well, because he is weird. Or something.
The media (in general, not just here) sure seems to be desperate to pin something, anything, on JD Vance
My favorite was that he “looked like a racist care bear”
They say that about a guy who is married to and has been with an Indian woman since college. Interesting line of attack. It’s like calling Trump anti-semitic when he has Jewish grandchildren, worked with his Jewish son-in-law, and has been consistently pro-Israel
"If Reason or the media at large had any interest in being fair or honest then Harris would be getting way more coverage and most of it would be negative. "
There is a treasure trove of extremely anti-liberty top down big govt bad ideas Kamala Harris has signed on for, but we are looking at the 3rd day in a row of coverage about theoretical tax policy from a one off comment made 3 years ago in an interview from Vance, who will be the VP on the ticket...
No coincidence that this is also the current thing the MSM is obsessing over, not at all.
Trump will be older 4 years from now than Biden is now, and is clearly much less cognitively able today than Biden was four years ago. He is also in worse physical health.
Harris has gotten plenty of negative coverage, mostly from the Left, which passionately hates her because she put criminals in prison. MAGA also opposes putting criminals in prison, starting with their Cult Leader.
Yeah Reason's piling on Vance on this issue is really getting silly. Somebody digs out an old quote wherein he agrees with a bipartisan consensus that's been around for 3 decades and we're supposed to believe it's some great betrayal of conservatism or something. I don't agree with everything Vance supports but he's a very smart guy and he's willing to change his mind if logic requires. I have no problem with the argument that the tax code should not be a tool of social engineering but if you're determined to take down Vance you'll have to do better than this.
Child tax credits were bipartisan for a while, but when Democrats actually managed to make them large enough to matter, the Republicans killed them.
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People making
the sameany income should be paying the same level of taxes: none.That's more like it. It's a waste for us to wade into discussions of how the amount of taxes, or of benefits, should be distributed.
When I come to burglarize your house, don't bother calling the police. There won't be any.
Criticism of Republicans is praise for Democrats. After all, nobody criticizes their own team, and everyone is on one of those two teams. That means the author is a Democrat.
/retard logic
Poor sarc. Out of “ideas”.
*yawn*
If you stop whining and crying like a fucking retard about how criticism of Republicans equals support for Democrats, then I'll quit pointing it out.
Said literally after posting his retarded whining for the 1000th time.
Sarc, if you want to stop being called a leftist, stop defending leftists like jeff as you did yesterday. Stop defending leftists with strawman arguments. Stop pushing leftist arguments and narratives like from Jen Psaki as you did yesterday. And most importantly stop being a leftist.
I don't care what you call me. You're a fucking idiot.
Once you transition to a modern economy, fertility rates are tightly correlated with inflation. Raising children is an enormous expense- up there with buying a house.
Inflationary societies benefit people with assets (older people) and penalize salary workers and people paying for services (younger adults and college students). It should be no shock that as inflation makes the costs of raising a child more and more expensive, fewer and fewer people are willing to have children.
Look at a population of child-bearing mothers and you will see that the crash is caused by women who never have children, not by women having fewer kids. And dig into that data, you find that those women (when polled) always wanted to have kids, but it never worked out. While there are culture-war reasons to explain a portion of this, the biggest cause is simple money. Couples get into their careers and decide to wait until the time is right to have their kids, and for a growing cohort, that time never arrives.
It is no surprise that two countries with the biggest fertility gaps are beholden to the US dollar in unique ways. Japan and Korea spent most of their time making their currency competitive with the US Dollar. This was good for exports, but disastrous for their local services. Inflation in the US wrecks our families, but at least our families are quick to get our dollars. By the time our dollars make their way to Japan and Korea it has lost even more of its value. These distortions encourage deferment of families, and push the population gap higher.
There is no fixing this. To do so would be to admit that the FIat Money System is an intolerable evil and to transition to a real currency system. And that is a measure of power our countries will never give back to the people.
People making the same income should be paying the same level of taxes no matter how they choose to live their lives.
I could not disagree more. My taxes should reflect the government services I consume; there is no moral authority to encumber my productivity. There are precious few true public goods, and even fewer the government should be providing.
My taxes should reflect the government services I consume..."
Does that mean that your taxes should go up if you are robbed and hundreds of hours of law enforcement and prosecution is expended pursuing the perpetrators? Or if a whole fire station is called to put out a fire at your house?
Even setting aside social safety nets to help people through tough times, all kinds of government services that we consume depend on what happens to us, not directly on choices we make. You won't need government to have courts and judges until you sue or are sued, you won't need government to subsidize emergency care if you have insurance, you won't need government to spend on public transit unless you use it, and it goes on and on.
It is the nature of government to socialize the costs of providing all of the services government provides. Everyone is going to paying for something that the government does that they don't make any use of. That is necessary in order for those services to be available if we do need them. I can't say that I've seen any alternative that actually functions in the modern world.
The issue is that government always expands., There is no limit to the ways people come up with to spend your money. The Constitution created a fairly comprehensive list of the necessities a government should provide for the sake of its citizens.
Unfortunately our political system rewards people who figure out how to take more of your money and spend it, without regard for whether or not it is a true benefit. When is the last time a federal program was evaluated for its performance and eliminated for failing to meet its goals?
We need focused leaders who will work to reduce government to the necessities and stop creating a permanent welfare class, be it corporate or personal.
The Constitution created a fairly comprehensive list of the necessities a government should provide for the sake of its citizens.
A list made in 1787 (if taken as meaning only what the early Congress's passed) is not going to be nearly sufficient for the modern world.
It is hard for me to see it as a concern that government "always expands" when the complexity of society and the nation has not been static. In addition to that, the wealth of the nation has expanded greatly, which also expands what government can afford to do.
Keep in mind, that the difference between what taxes people will vote to pay and what they will vote to spend is what causes increasing government debt. The federal debt was less than 30% of annual GDP when Reagan took office. It kept growing from there because both parties started only paying lip service to keeping deficits down. Which means that voters didn't care enough to make one or both parties act differently.
It's a simple conclusion then. If you don't like how 'big' government gets or how much it spends, look to the voters themselves. Which includes us. If the voters don't have the incentive to make government limit its control and spending, then guess where we need to look to make changes. The political system, as you call it, that "rewards people who figure out how to take more of your money and spend it, without regard for whether or not it is a true benefit," is set by the Constitution. That is where the structure of our government comes from. If these are structural problems with our politics, and not something else, then that is where the solution will lie.
Or charging him if his neighbor is robbed, and they catch the guy before he robs him. That seems like a fair expense. Or putting out the fire at his neighbor’s house before it spreads to his…
In this sense, taxes are like paying insurance. So maybe we'd be better off just having "catastrophe" insurance that would pay the police, firefighters etc. in the event they're needed, like health insurance.
Anyway, this is so far from possible as to be one of those autistic libertarian ideas that can be brushed aside by the adults in the room.
How does the military defending you go into your consume? Taxes should be consumption based. Rich people consume more. Put than you couldn't give out perks to people.
Using the tax code to "reward" parents and "punish" nonparents is at odds with the idea of a neutral, efficient tax system. In an ideal and fair world, the tax base would be broad but taxed at a low rate. People making the same income should be paying the same level of taxes no matter how they choose to live their lives. [emphasis mine]
And corporations should be taxed based on the amount of profit they make, not how they go about earning that profit, right? So no more tax credits and special tax breaks for spending on capital improvements, R&D, or anything else. No more deductions for charitable contributions by individuals or businesses. No more sin taxes. No more taxing capital gains and investment income at a lower rate than wages and salary.
If you really want the government to stop "rewarding" or "punishing" behavior, because of a principle that doing so is wrong or inefficient, then that would apply to everything, wouldn't it? Or, maybe certain things should receive tax breaks while others should be taxed higher, and it is up to voters and the legislators they choose to analyze those situations and make those decisions. And because these decisions are being made based on majority preferences, it is obvious that there will always be substantial disagreement over whatever choices are made.
It is also highly subjective what counts as being "fair." Progressives and others on the left think that "fair" is taxing higher incomes at higher rates. Veronique de Rugy's idea of what is fair is her opinion, and she is welcome to argue in favor of it. But her ideal and fair world isn't going to match what everyone else thinks. That is why we debate and then vote on these things.
Besides, careful studies have shown the cost of raising a child in America has been decreasing for six decades.
I would have loved to see a link to any of these "careful studies" she referenced.
No p-hacking or replication problems, I can assure you
And corporations should be taxed. . .
Corporations don't pay taxes. They pass their tax expenses on in the forms of (a.) higher prices to consumers, (b.) less compensation for employees, and/or (c.) lower returns on investment for shareholders.
This was two days ago, but this is just such an odd combination of claims that I couldn't resist.
Corporations don’t pay taxes. They pass their tax expenses on in the forms of (a.) higher prices to consumers, (b.) less compensation for employees, and/or (c.) lower returns on investment for shareholders.
Sure, tax rates are one of many costs that a business must consider when deciding on a price as they try to match their desired return on investment. But then, how much they pay their employees is part of that as well, along with materials, financing, utilities, facilities, equipment, and everything else. People that argue for low business taxes because they think that it will lead to a company charging less for its products, paying more to its workers, hiring more workers, doing more R&D, or whatever other social good they think will come of it, make those claims as if taxes are somehow different than other costs of doing business. Well, actually, taxes on business profits are different, because the business has to make a profit before it would owe anything. And profit is the difference between revenue and costs.
My point wasn't really about that anyway, though. It is that some corporations find ways to make a profit and pay less in taxes than others that made less profit. And not just in a specific year, but over the long run. Wanting to see individual income taxes not depend on tax breaks, deductions, and other 'social engineering' policies should include the same desire to see business taxes be the same for all businesses.
Wealthy progs say they would gladly pay more taxes, but when given the opportunity, as Massachusetts recently did, very few paid taxes at the higher rate. The reason they usually give is that “corporations” and billionaires should be the ones to pay the taxes, and not them because they are merely middle class. I say we get rid of the non-profit status for large institutions (universities and hospitals) where the money goes to paying admin salaries, and while we are at it, eliminate the mortgage interest deduction , which would help bring down housing prices.
I say we get rid of the non-profit status for large institutions (universities and hospitals) where the money goes to paying admin salaries, and while we are at it, eliminate the mortgage interest deduction , which would help bring down housing prices.
I would definitely support reforming how non-profit status works in the tax code. Private universities, in particular, can build up enormous endowments that help them pad the salaries and even create useless positions without any of that being taxed, it seems. There should be limits to how much non-profits can keep in reserve or how much high-level administrative costs can be in order to keep net revenue from being taxed.
And the mortgage interest deduction never made sense to me. It doesn't encourage home ownership. It encourages having a mortgage.
You know, there is a guy running who is pretty close to the libertarian ideal when it comes to taxes.
but, he would cut taxes while waving a Pride flag, so we can't have that.
Everyone knows that all gays are leftist pedophiles. That means this guy is a fake Libertarian.
It’s all about the victim-card. If Oliver was cis-hetero, and held the same exact positions, I can’t imagine him getting Jeff/Sarc’s “support”. But as long as there’s a victim-card in the deck, they’ll slobber over each other in order to play it.
P.S. Jeff’s the only person I’ve seen here calling Oliver a “fag”.
I don't give a rat's ass that the man is gay.
Here's one: "I will immediately end the Federal backing of student loans by asking Congress to make all current loans interest-free," combined with "allow students to stabilize their financial situations by allowing student loan debt to be dischargeable in bankruptcy" is pretty much what Joe Biden has been doing: removing the "burden" of student loans from deadbeat students to taxpayers.
Add in with standard LP open-borders uber alles, wrapped up in platform-speak and puberty blockers for children and all the positives of his campaign (already a sure loser as a minor party, but one for which I've cast my votes nearly all my life) and it's "might as well try to prevent Harris from winning" vote from me.
Much like Gary "I agree with 73% of what Bernia says" Johnson and "Let's support BLM Jorgenson" gave me reason to not swing a vote for the LP candidates, even though they weren't gay.
“I will immediately end the Federal backing of student loans by asking Congress to make all current loans interest-free, while simultaneously ending all future government-guaranteed loans.
Why did you edit out the end of that sentence?
https://2024election.procon.org/questions/should-any-amount-of-student-loan-debt-be-eliminated-via-forgiveness-including-bankruptcy/
Because I wasn't listing the reasons I might want to vote for him, I was listing the things that overwhelmed those other reasons.
OK. That makes sense.
Whoa whoa whoa. Vance changed his mind since he said those things and became MAGA...well, let's just assume he did. Oliver on the other hand did not change his mind on anything since being a liberal...well, let's just assume he didn't.
I don't know if tax breaks yields higher birth rates, but I do know that raising kids is incredibly expensive and puts a drag on your career progress. Whether we call tax credits a tax break or not, this is something Vance is correct on even if his reasons are flawed.
Parents need help. That should not be up for debate. Even if that does not yield a higher birth rate parents need help successfully raising children so that children are exposed to developmentally enriching experiences, shielded from abnormally stressful conditions and so on. why? Because what would our society be like in 30 years if all the DINKS are galavanting around Europe and while families with children are white-knuckling it through this economy from paycheck to paycheck. Museums will be filled with DINKS while kids will be at home on screens because that's the cheapest and most efficient way to raise a child while the parents are out working two careers just to save enough money so that their kids have a chance at a post-high school career.
I easily spend $1000 a month on each kid just to feed them, house them, save for their future, equip them, vacation them and so on. On top of that I have to avoid career decisions that would entail me from working weekends or summers or lacking flexibility to schlepp them to doctor visits, after-school pick-ups and the dozens of other obligations that come from raising a child. So yes, parents should come out of the tax game with more money than non-parents. If that is in the form of tax credits, tax breaks or what not is a matter of policy debate but the outcome should not be up for debate.
You sound like you are a single parent. The premise is to encourage successful parental relationships so two people share the load. Two people are needed to model what a loving supportive relationship between a man and a woman looks like. Two people to divide up the work. Because, you are correct - children consume a lot of resources.
When our 1st was born, we joked that he took all our money. When the 2nd one was born, we joked that he took all our time. When the rest were born, we joked that since we already lost our money and our time, we had nothing left to lose and everything to gain.
Best decision we did, despite sacrifices and doing without fancy vacations, toys, etc, was to have our children.
So yes, parents should come out of the tax game with more money than non-parents. . .
Fuck off slaver!! If you choose to make crotch goblins, then it’s on you to pay for 'em w/o robbing me or anyone else to subsidize that choice.
Why, oh Why do you always jump to the tax question before addressing the spending problem? Your premise implies that the amount of money government spends is perfectly OK. WRONG.
There is much federal spending that simply should not be. Many departments only exist by stretching the words and intent of our Constitution. Many of them duplicate services that the States should rightly decide for their residents.
Unless we first address the spending issue, you are just playing games with the taxing issue.
Why, oh Why do you always jump to the tax question before addressing the spending problem? Your premise implies that the amount of money government spends is perfectly OK.
No, it does not imply that. Not at all. That’s the same retarded thinking that is used by retarded binary thinkers who see criticism of Republicans as praise for Democrats. It’s emotional and reactionary, not logical and reasoned. Those who employ it are fucking morons.
Hey Karine, grab some more xanax. You have nothing to refute my comment so you lob insults.
The barefaced fact is that federal government is too large and too expensive. In such a state we will never, ever be able to resolve “who should pay what”. No matter how much or little any one person pays, it will always be too much.
You’re arguing against something that no one said. You saw someone talk about taxes, assumed they think spending is ok, and then attacked them for not wanting to cut spending. When the person didn’t say a fucking word about spending. Neither did I. You’re arguing with voices in your head, not what anyone actually said.
Pretty sure the author is totally on board with telling Uncle Sam “Fuck you, cut spending!” As am I. We’ve got enough retarded retards attacking people for imaginary implications. We don’t need another.
Exactly. The author said nothing about the spending level. Which. Is. Too. High. The federal government is spending a ton of money on stuff it has no business spending on.
Therefore, the entire argument about people with or without kids and the taxes they pay is nonsensical. EVERYONE is paying too much. The argument is quibbling over pennies when the Fed govt is taking dollars. How much is fair? What policies should we drive with taxation – none of that is relevant unless we get to the point that the spending is appropriate.
The fallacy of relative privation, also known as "appeal to worse problems" or "not as bad as", is a type of argument that dismisses a complaint or argument by claiming that a more important problem exists. The fallacy suggests that the existence of a worse issue makes the original argument irrelevant. For example, someone might commit this fallacy by comparing criticism of their dinner to the worst-case scenario of starving. Another example is saying "You can't be sad about that, other people have it worse".
Another example would be "Your arguments about taxation are irrelevant because the real problem is spending."
Republicans in the '80s and '90s: "These Welfare Queens keep having babies just so they can get more money from the government."
J.D. Vance: "The government needs to provide financial incentives for people to have more babies."
(Yes, yes, I know the Democrats also suck. Spare me the what-abouts.)
The headline is downright deceptive. Since that is how our tax code already works, stating outright that it's something unique to our VP candidate is just wrong
It's the Reason formula:
If both sides are doing something bad, call out the Republicans for doing it at all.
If only the Democrats are doing something bad, point out something else the Republicans are doing bad, even if it's not nearly as bad.
Look, like it or not all you philosophers who dismiss the idea of children and families as unimportant and not core to society are full of shit. Sure, not having kids is a "choice" but then so is self-induced extinction.
Vance isn't much of a libertarian, but why are the news media not portraying him as "young" and "energetic"? He's a lot younger than Harris, who is turning 60 before the election.
How energetic is a
warm bucket of spitvice president supposed to be?Enough so there's an obvious difference between her and the Weekend at Bernie's President?
Unfortunately, the tax code is neither fair nor neutral. It punishes and rewards all sorts of behaviors based on what government officials decide is good or bad.
It might be useful to see how the tax code distorts decisions in order t move affairs away from fair/neutral. To at least be transparent about the distortions we impose so that we can at least be honest about the rigging of the system that we want.
The obvious one is interest deduction. We tax dividends (the return on an equity contribution). We allow for nearly unlimited interest deduction (the return on an created money contribution). We may want to believe that the latter is 'capitalism' but it's not. Entrepreneurs and ownership are as important to the formation of capital as bank/finance loans.
While the original use of the term 'finance capitalism' is Marxist, it's not Marxist to see that there is a difference between the pluralistic/competitive 'liberal capitalism' (classical era capitalism) and monopolistic cartelizing 'finance capitalism'. The former sought a reduction in the power of a mercantilist state and defines classical economics. The latter seeks a centralizing and privilege-seeking state and defines both neoclassical economics and Marxism (depending on who controls the state doling out privileges). We've made this happen through the tax code.
NEWS FLASH - JD Vance, a politician, acts like a politician.
"Unfortunately, the tax code is neither fair nor neutral. It punishes and rewards all sorts of behaviors based on what government officials decide is good or bad."
We used to call an article like this "a waste of ink."
CONTROL us , with taxes? How dare he! He is going to forcible impregnate women thru the tax code?
Or is this a much bigger deal than every Democrat who voted for the Green New Deal?
Republicans AND democrats want to control us through various methods like taxation, blocking free speech on the internet, restrict where you can and cannot travel, etc.
Here's an idea for all the Reason staff: Tell us something we don't already know.
Let’s check to see if Vance actually called for a tax INCREASE on the childless people or has any history of being a crusader against childless people.
Nope. The MSM cherry picked one word out of “childless cat ladies” to spin a narrative, and Reason joins in on the fun.
As a childless man, my tax burdens is not changed whether parents with kids pay less taxes or not. One has nothing to do with the other. I’m not paying more taxes if some big corporations gets a huge tax break, and such deals are not a disincentive or punishment for choosing to be a salaried employee rather than a Google like conglomerate. “It’s not fair that I don’t get 20 mil subsidy because I can’t build my own Microsoft” It’s nonsensical.
An incentive is meant to encourage a behavior. Having kids is expensive. It will age you horribly. Childless cat loving ladies want to abort human beings because they don’t want the bother. If you don’t want to take free money government dangles in front of you to do something that you normally don’t want to do, that’s up to you. None of that is “controlling our lives”
We all knew what JD Vance meant. “Tax the bad, don’t tax the good” was an awkwardly way to express support incentives for parenthood while arguing against an increasingly childless world. His camp clarified his position. Do you really think a MAGA candidate would call for a tax increase on childless people?
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People making the same income should be paying the same level of taxes no matter how they choose to live their lives.
That is the LAST honest statement in this article.
If I got your article from one of my college students, I would comment : "You are dealing with too many interconnected issues"
First, we MUST have more children, not just for more children but for the stability of neighborhoods, for the welfare state, and for reasons not to kill ourselves from sheer distaste for any future. Tax code does harm families so that must be corrected.
But the problem with taxes is that there is a total disconnect between what is spent and how it is paid for. We are sloppily tossing billions at all sorts of problems. So environment and climate change gives us this bastard child : "BLM proposes to open 22 million acres in Western states to solar development"
I know REASON hates Natural Law and talk of right and wrong. But having lived all over the United States, I see one thing that makes a neighborhood great to live in: People with children. Children make you care about safety and beauty and your neighbors.
I lived in St Louis near where one of the Busch's lived and near a millionaires row...much inferior to the child-friendly place I live now
There are different races and ages here and what makes people care is that they have CHILDREN.
but the sane informed response would first of all admit that countless billions are just plain wasted. No, we don't need more taxes but we do need what Vance is promoting. I thought Libertarians greatly disapproved of the unlinking of spending with the raising of money. Boo !! on everybody 🙂