Biden and Trump Hope to Tip the Election Scales With Working-Class Proposals
Competing visions on tipping policies highlight the differences in the candidates’ approaches to winning over working-class voters—but neither will provide much benefit.

In 2024's already baffling presidential race, it seems only fitting that a barroom brawl has broken out over tipping. Former President Donald Trump jump-started the debate at a campaign rally last month and seized media headlines by pledging to eliminate taxes on tips if he were reelected.
In prior decades, this might have been brushed off as mere campaign trail bluster, but today, off-the-cuff remarks on the stump are often the closest thing we have to deliberative policy making. Right on cue, Republican senators introduced legislation in Congress that would eliminate income taxes on tips, and the idea has even made its way into the Republican Party's 2024 platform.
But while Trump may think he's the first politician to mainstream tipping policy, he's actually late to the party. President Joe Biden weighed in on tipping during the 2020 election when he pledged to end the so-called tipped wage credit—a practice that allows restaurant servers and others in the hospitality industry to be paid below the statutory minimum wage so long as their tips make up the difference.
Upon taking office, the Biden administration tightened the rules around the tipped wage credit, narrowing the type of work it could be applied to and curtailing its use in federal contracts. Progressive politicians at the state and local level have pushed to eliminate the credit and apply traditional minimum wage laws to all tipped workers. Washington, D.C., voters approved a ballot initiative eliminating the tipped wage structure in 2022, and Chicago followed suit last year. At the state level, New York, Maryland, and Illinois have recently considered legislation that would likewise scrap this model.
The motivation is clear: Both parties are trying to appeal to members of the tipped economy in their efforts to woo the working class. Democrats want to apply one-size-fits-all minimum wage rules that harken back to the New Deal Era, while Republicans appear to believe that a simple proposed tax cut will earn them significant working-class support.
Unfortunately, neither of these ideas is the best solution for helping workers in the restaurant and hospitality industry. Many restaurant workers prefer the tipped wage structure and make far more than they would under traditional minimum wage rates. Further, in cities like D.C. that have eliminated the tipped wage credit, there has been a spike in restaurants tacking "service fees" of 10 percent to 20 percent onto customer bills, demonstrating that eliminating the tip credit often results in higher dining costs.
As far as Trump's no-taxes-on-tips idea, it may have as many drawbacks as benefits, and it is uncertain how much relief it would actually bring workers if it doesn't apply to federal payroll taxes in addition to income taxes.
While both policy proposals leave much to be desired, the candidates are not wrong on the politics. The restaurant sector is the second-largest private sector employer with over 15 million workers and is a key employer of workers without college degrees and formerly incarcerated individuals. The industry is deemed so critical in terms of providing employment opportunities and economic benefits to local communities that some commentators have taken to declaring: "As restaurants go, so goes the economy."
Despite its centrality to the country's economic well-being, workforce labor issues continue to roil the industry. One of the primary criticisms and drawbacks of restaurant work is the lack of benefits that workers receive in these jobs. Work-life balance is often notoriously lacking as well, with many pointing to the prevalence of "just-in-time scheduling," in which workers can be called into work on short notice in response to real-time spikes in dining demand.
If politicians want to help restaurant workers, this is where their focus should be. And the answer is not simply to mandate more benefits for workers but rather to find nimble policy ideas that can help both restaurants and workers. For instance, the industry could perhaps borrow parts of the portable benefits model that is starting to make waves as a solution for increasing benefit offerings to workers in the gig economy. In fact, more restaurants are starting to enlist the gig economy to fill restaurant shifts during extra busy times—a practice that could be encouraged and tethered to a portable benefits model.
The industry should also be freer to experiment with writing entirely new systems of labor and employment law. This could be done in myriad ways, but one possibility would be to create a collaborative committee that is equally comprised of restaurant owners and workers. This group would be powerless to act unless both groups agreed—if no agreement were reached, status quo labor law would apply as it does now. But if they could reach an agreement on new rules, both sides of the labor debate could benefit from this policy experimentation.
As one example, the negotiating parties could agree on a higher minimum wage for workers who agree to be ready within two hours of whenever they are needed—a nod to the just-in-time scheduling desires of employers—and a lower minimum wage for assured regular hours—providing an option for workers who want more scheduling predictability. When it comes to tipping, agreements such as allowing waiters to opt to keep 100 percent of their tips instead of being compensated via a traditional minimum wage could be pursued—a setup that would empower restaurant workers to make their own decisions on how they want to be compensated.
In other words, the industry needs more flexibility and more drastic regulatory reforms that would allow it to update its labor rules for the 21st century. Simply importing last century's minimum wage rules or promoting a minor tax reduction isn't going to cut it.
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Restaurant policy?!?! Twat's this shit about "You can have anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant... Excepting Alice, that is"?
ALICE SHOULD BE MADE AVAILABLE, dammit!!! Equal access to Alice for ALL, damn shit all!!!
(Spermy Daniels ain't cuttin' it any moah; The Donald hogs her all up, greedy bahstahd that He soooo obliviously is!)
Democrats left the working class behind a long time ago.
Except for the ones who belong to public service unions. They're still good.
Well, the unions are.
But only as sources of money and votes (and occasional photo ops).
Infiltrated and taken over by radical left wing extremists and neo-Marxists. The lot of them despise working people. (hint) too independent.
Instead of revising the laws in ways that may or may not be helpful, how about removing top-down mandates of all kinds? For everyone?
Twat, you mean, SHRINK the Government Almighty?
Heresy and blasphemy!!!
Demon-Crap response: Butt WHO, if snot Government Almighty, will PROTECT us all from the evil Rethugglicans?!?!
Rethugglican response: Butt WHO, if snot Government Almighty, will PROTECT us all from the evil Demon-Craps, and make the libs cry?!?!
No shit. This line really irked me:
I realize we live in a real world overflowing with politicians and lawyers, but Holy Magillicuddy, could you at least pay a little lip service to the idea of getting rid of laws instead of just piling more bandaids on top of the old ones?
"...writing entirely new systems of labor and employment law..."
Is there a law of physics or some such that prohibits the NEW law(s) from providing more freedom? Or a law of gravitational forces that prevent the new laws from rescinding the old? Or do you just like to bitch and moan for the sake of bitching and moaning?
“More laws create freedom”
It doesn’t get any dumber than that.
So then anti-murder laws give us ZERO freedoms from murderers? Anti-murder laws then should be abolished, right, Evil Genius Wonder Child?
Where did you go to Evil Genius Stupid-School?
Flail harder. It’s fun to watch.
The meltdowns from the "not a democrats" the last few weeks has been amazing.
It just did.
NONE of you drooling fanatic idiots have ANY response to my common-sense point!!! SOME laws are GOOD, idiots and dip-shits!!!
(Don't throw the baby out with the right-wing wrong-nut whack-jobs!)
The only good laws which increase freedom are those which repeal old laws without adding anything themselves.
If you know of any, please show your work.
Section 230 repealed old STUPID AND EVIL laws that allowed ME to sue YOU for SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE ELSE WROTE!!! Which is totally insane injustice on shit's face!!!
Before you tell me that hardcopy news rags ("publishers") face the same unjust bullshit... We need a NEW "Section 230 for hardcopy rags"! Period! MORE injustice does NOT validate the OLD injustice, Hello?
SOME rare precious gems of laws actually RESTRICT Government Almighty! Hello, Bill of Rights?
PS, I am SOOOO sorry I picked murder laws ass an example... I am very well aware that right-wing wrong-nuts ADMIRE murder, so long ass "politically wrong enemies" are murdered... Will you admit that laws are GOOD when they target the below?
The slimy illegal sub-humans, trannies, accused “groomers”, abortionists, gays, heathens, infidels, vaxxers, mask-wearers, atheists, dirty hippies, Jews, witches, or, the very WORST of them all, being one of those accused of STEALING THE ERECTIONS OF OUR DEAR LEADER!?!?!?
Read "Three Felonies A Day" by Harvey Silverglate and understand how all this came about.
If Trump promises to reclassify Civil Service retirement as tips, I might vote for him.
Yeah but only Joe "It's Just a Stutter" Biden will keep the borders nice and loose so billionaires can continue importing cheap labor.
#LibertariansForBiden
"billionaires can continue importing cheap labor."
How does this work? Aren't the companies hiring illegals small businesses like landscapers, roofers, etc. that generate lots of cash transactions? Billionaires would tend to own the large corporations that are subject to employment reporting.
There is this thing known as 'wage pressure' that occurs when you expand the supply of employable people. A coder from Nigeria will probably be happier with a lower salary than a native born person, thus the Nigerians acceptable pay rate becomes the baseline pay rate for everyone. It's a simplified example, obviously, but perhaps it will help you out.
Billionaires may want more H-1B for their business, and want straight up illegal workers for their personal needs (maid, nanny, driver, lawncare, etc.) so...I don't know take your pick.
Overall, the more immigration you have the more downwards wage pressure is likely. It's one reason why Unions have historically been extremely hostile to immigrant labor.
Also -- it's not just small businesses and employers like a local gardener. Not by a longshot.
Look back to raids by Obama and Bush administrations for example. Places like large meatpacking plants largely staffed by illegal workers. These are big businesses, ones who have enough clout they've regulartorily captured their market so smaller meat packing plants can't compete, and the use of immigrant labor has driven the wage and working condition floors down significantly.
one possibility would be to create a collaborative committee that is equally comprised of restaurant owners and workers. This group would be powerless to act unless both groups agreed—if no agreement were reached, status quo labor law would apply as it does now.
Umm, I appreciate the desire to innovate, but I think we’ve tried this one already. It’s called a “labor union” and this committee idea is called "collective bargaining".
Sure, butt Government Almighty takes certain options off of the table. For example, if would-be part-time workers and management both agreed that more work-hours flexibility could be attained at the cost of LESS than the minimum wage, and-or LESS than normally mandated benefits, then Government Almighty WILL stand in your way! As I read the article, Reason-writers would get Government Almighty OUT of the way, in matters like this.
This matters to partially retired workers who would semi-volunteer for low wages working for a cause that matters deeply to them. As soon as the cause or company pays them $1, all of the mandates kick in!!! SOME would-be semi-volunteers can NOT afford to work for $0, plus self-paid travel costs!
Oh, and ML-Trump Debate Lie Update:
So once again, yesterday, I challenged ML to admit that Trump told three lies during the debate:
He still can’t do it. Why would he? He’s a paid Trump shill, even while he yells “Fuck Trump” thinking that we will believe he is being honest.
You can begin to read the hilarity here:
https://reason.com/2024/07/12/ukrainian-president-putin/?comments=true#comment-10637514
For #1, he tried to claim that it’s not a lie because (a) a customs duty is the same as a tariff (it’s not), and (b) foreign companies also import into the US, not just American companies (irrelevant to Trump’s claim). He has now tried to twist and change my argument four times in order to contort himself to avoid having to admit Trump lied here.
For #2, he hilariously cited the murder statistics of Colima, Mexico (per capita, highest in the world) as proof that Trump is correct here. Problem: Colima, Mexico is not on the border. It is about 700 miles away from the nearest border city at Brownsville, Texas. This was one of ML’s more hilarious attempts to gaslight everyone.
And for #3, he finally did admit that no, not “everybody, without exception” opposed Roe v. Wade and wanted the abortion issue returned to the states, but now claims it’s mere hyperbole and shouldn’t be counted as a lie. He is at least admitting that Trump made a false claim, which is a step in the right direction! Almost there!
So let’s see if ML can do any better today. Can ML finally admit, along with most of the rest of the country, that Trump did indeed tell multiple lies during the debate? We shall see!
Morning, you lying retard. Still want to fight after getting curb stomped by the truth yesterday?
For #1, he tried to claim that it’s not a lie because (a) a customs duty is the same as a tariff (it’s not)
Creepjeff, why don’t you tell everyone here why YOU think revenue collected by the government from importers on a specific product isn’t a tariff but a duty.
I posted the difference yesterday:
“Tariff A tariff is a tax imposed by the government on a particular class of imports or exports. It is a direct tax paid on a specific product or group of products. Tariffs are usually imposed to regulate trade, protect domestic industries, or generate revenue.
Customs Duty A customs duty, also known as an import duty, is a fee charged on almost every cross-border shipment of products. It is an indirect tax imposed by the government on the consumer.”
But since you seem to disagree with the dictionary definitions above, explain your versions. Tell everyone what they are.
For #2, he hilariously cited the murder statistics of Colima (per capita, highest in the world) as proof that Trump is correct here.
Here Lying Jeffy is doing his absolute favorite thing; lying. In this case he is lying by omission.
Yes, I posted the murder statistics of Colima, but what Lying Jeffy is deliberately leaving out is it was part of a World’s Most Dangerous Cities top ten, in which seven of the ten were in Mexico.
This is exactly what I posted with a link:
1 Colima, Mexico
2 Ciudad Obregón, Mexico
4 Zamora, Mexico
5 Manzanillo, Mexico
6 Tijuana, Mexico
7 Zacatecas, Mexico
10 Ciudad Juarez, Mexico
I also posted a link to a UN article that says US-Mexico border, ‘world’s deadliest’ overland migration route: IOM
The International Organization for Migration (IOM) documented 686 deaths and disappearances of migrants on the US-Mexico border in 2022, making it the deadliest land route for migrants worldwide on record.
Did you guys get any of that from Lying Jeffy’s post this morning?
Of course not, he cherrypicked one city in order to lie by omission about all the rest.
“And for #3, he finally did admit that no, not “everybody, without exception” opposed Roe v. Wade and wanted the abortion issue returned to the states, but now claims it’s mere hyperbole and shouldn’t be counted as a lie. He is at least admitting that Trump made a false claim, which is a step in the right direction!”
Try again Lying Jeffy.
This was the exchange he’s lying about folks:
Lying Jeffy – “Yes, people from every political persuasion had disagreements with Roe v. Wade. But again THAT WASN’T TRUMP’S CLAIM. He claimed that “everybody, without exception. ”
Me – Yes, and some child in Panama, some baker in Vienna, some concrete worker in Kyoto, didn’t give a shit, so Trump’s hyperbole was a lie. Fucking retard.
By conditioning with “Democrats, Republicans, liberals, conservatives” he made it crystal clear that he was talking about political persuasions.
So I leave it to the rest of you, was Lying Jeffy lying again this morning?
It makes me laugh so hard how Jeff thinks he is the honest debater in these threads especially given his posts over the last week. He will continue to dismiss illegal immigrant crimes as rare, 66000 crimes by illegal immigrants under Joe, dismiss the Lott report, because it goes against his narrative, and then try to link anyone he deems as conservative into any LGBT crime then post a bunch of stories regarding the perpetrators being PoC and immigrants.
It is fucking hilarious.
He will continue to dismiss illegal immigrant crimes as rare, 66000 crimes by illegal immigrants under Joe,
Even assuming your number is accurate (which I highly doubt):
66,000 crimes over 3.5 years is 18,858 crimes per year.
18,858 crimes per year, divided by a population of roughly 330 million, yields a crime rate of 5.7 per 100,000 people.
By way of comparison, just the *murder rate* in Chicago, not even overall crime, last year, was 22.85 per 100,000 people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Chicago
So, you tell me. Who is the bigger threat: the average illegal immigrant, or the average resident of Chicago?
So Jeff thinks blacks are worse than illegal immigrants.
Buttplug School of Racial Management
dismiss the Lott report
That is because the Lott report is based on junk statistics.
What Lott did was try to compare the incarceration rate in Arizona prisons between illegal immigrants and native-born citizens. Problem: Arizona does not record specifically whether prisoners are illegal immigrants. But they DO record prisoners who are "non-citizens and deportable". So Lott ASSUMED that these individuals were all illegal immigrants. Problem is, that category ALSO includes *legal* immigrants who were convicted of crimes, and thus violated the terms of their legal status and were to be deported.
So Lott deliberately overcounted the number of crimes that were included in the "illegal immigrant crime" category, and so therefore concluded that "illegal immigrants" commit more crime than native-born citizens. Except this conclusion is entirely false because it is based on junk statistics.
https://www.cato.org/blog/fatal-flaw-john-r-lott-jrs-study-illegal-immigrant-crime-arizona
Now, there is a state that DOES record whether its prisoners are illegal immigrants or not, and that is Texas.
https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/illegal-immigrant-murderers-texas-2013-2022
Funny how Jesse doesn't respond to this.
and then try to link anyone he deems as conservative into any LGBT crime
Not true. I never once said that only conservatives were responsible for crimes against LGBTQ individuals.
"It makes me laugh so hard how Jeff thinks he is the honest debater in these threads"
Jeff claims he's an honest debater, but he knows he's a politruk and a liar. But he doesn't care because it earns him money and also he is evil.
Nobody who posts what Jeff posts gives a shit about honest debate.
Jeff claims he’s an honest debater, but he knows he’s a politruk and a liar.
That's you. That is confession via projection. You say "Fuck Trump" and then you go to the absolute mat defending him. If anyone here is a fifty-center, it's you and Jesse.
Of course I do. I think Trump, flawed as he is, is the last hope to smash the power of your totalitarian masters.
I also think that you and your party are evil, and I will never stop opposing you, monster.
I believe you are commissioned by Media Matters or ActBlue.
Given how I'm Canadian and have a real job so I post about a tenth of your posts, and hate the GOPe almost as much as your masters, who are you trying to pretend I'm employed by?
Of course I do. I think Trump, flawed as he is, is the last hope to smash the power of your totalitarian masters.
Well. That doesn't really sound like "Fuck Trump", does it now?
I also think that you and your party are evil
You think the Libertarian Party is evil? Well that explains a lot.
I will never stop opposing you, monster.
Something I've noticed, is that you tend to ramp up the dehumanization rhetoric when you are flailing and losing. It is your emotional outburst against me. This totally tracks.
I believe you are commissioned by Media Matters or ActBlue.
I am not. If anyone around here is paid by some political outfit to post here, it is you and Jesse, paid by some Trump-aligned group.
Given how I’m Canadian and have a real job so I post about a tenth of your posts, and hate the GOPe almost as much as your masters, who are you trying to pretend I’m employed by?
I actually do have a real job and I don't actually post here all that often, at least compared to you two. And frankly I question whether you are employed at all. Why get a job, when you live in mom's basement and she pays all your bills?
Yes, I posted the murder statistics of Colima, but what Lying Jeffy is deliberately leaving out is it was part of a World’s Most Dangerous Cities top ten, in which seven of the ten were in Mexico.
“This is exactly what I posted with a link:
1 Colima, Mexico
2 Ciudad Obregón, Mexico
4 Zamora, Mexico
5 Manzanillo, Mexico
6 Tijuana, Mexico
7 Zacatecas, Mexico
10 Ciudad Juarez, Mexico”
Damn. That’s some seriously dishonest bullshit.
Hey. It works with sarc who is the readership he targets. He even got sarc to defend him on migrants raping children.
Man jeff seems really angry his lying and obfuscation don't work here. Multiple 3 post responses. All nonsense and sophistry.
Lie #1:
That’s the difference. Tariffs are charged on a product-by-product basis and are selective. Duties are charged on virtually all products and are far more nonselective.
But you know what? Ultimately in the end, it doesn’t matter, because TRUMP DIDN’T SAY “CUSTOMS DUTY”, he said TARIFF.
And EVEN according to your own source, it is paid by the CONSUMER and not by the PRODUCER.
This is all a giant misdirection for you to avoid admitting that Trump lied about how TARIFFS work.
It was not about whether tariffs raise revenue.
It was not about the intended purpose of the tariffs.
It was not about customs duties.
It was about HOW TARIFFS WORK, *specifically*, who pays the tariffs. It’s not China. It’s Americans.
That’s the difference. Tariffs are charged on a product-by-product basis and are selective. Duties are charged on virtually all products and are far more nonselective.
?????????
How does this affect what I or Trump said in the least, moron? You're reiterating what I just said and then acting like it's a refutation. Just phoning in your calumny today, or what?
"But you know what? Ultimately in the end, it doesn’t matter, because TRUMP DIDN’T SAY “CUSTOMS DUTY”, he said TARIFF.
And EVEN according to your own source, it is paid by the CONSUMER and not by the PRODUCER."
Are you fucking high? Did you just miss the part where it says, "Tariffs are usually imposed to... generate revenue."? Are you still pretending that importers don't pay tariffs?
Well, I'll give you this, you're not afraid to look stupid.
Or are you just hoping your boss reads your posts and none of the others, so you can dupe him into thinking you came up with something?
You are just muddying the waters in hopes that I will get sidetracked or give up. Nope, not gonna work.
One. More. Time:
You just said that importers pay the tariff. Trump claimed that China, i.e., the exporter, pays the tariff. So you agree with me that Trump's claim is wrong. The last thing that is left is to finally admit that he lied here.
So now you're pretending that Chinese company's don't import into the US through distributors and brokers, and pay the tariffs when they do.
How did you think that was a cogent argument? Do you think reality changes whenever you come up with a new angle to bullshit?
So now you’re pretending that Chinese company’s don’t import into the US through distributors and brokers, and pay the tariffs when they do.
Oh, they do. But they are not who Trump is referring to.
Do I need to post the quote again? I guess so.
So the "them" in the phrase "force them to pay us a lot of money", does not refer to import companies - it refers to "countries that have been ripping us off" (in his opinion). He is referring to COUNTRIES. As in, the exporter. Not import companies.
I just want to review briefly here how you have tried to lawyer and weasel and outright lie through this whole discussion.
First, you tried to claim that "a prediction cannot be a lie", which is misleading, given the nature of Trump's lie here.
Then, you tried to claim that it's not a lie because we don't know yet if the tariffs will fulfill their intended purpose - irrelevant, because the lie isn't about whether the tariffs will do what they are intended to do, the lie about how tariffs work.
Then, you tried to claim that it's not a lie because tariffs and custom duties are really the same thing - no, they are not.
Then, you tried to claim that it's not a lie because tariffs really do raise revenue for the government - yes, they do, but that's irrelevant, nobody disputes that.
And now, you try to claim that it's not a lie because some handful of import companies are owned by Chinese and they pay the tariff as importers. But that isn't who Trump meant when he said that they would be "forced" to pay more - he was referring to the export nation, China, not some import company.
You have gone on and on with these games to try to defend Trump and claim in vain that he didn't lie, when it is completely obvious and plain for all to see that he lied. You are trying to seek some nitpicking technicality, but that is not going to save you.
Lie #2:
Yes, I posted the murder statistics of Colima, but what Lying Jeffy is deliberately leaving out is it was part of a World’s Most Dangerous Cities top ten, in which seven of the ten were in Mexico.
One more time: Trump’s claim was that the border was “the most dangerous place in the world”. Not “a dangerous place”, but “the most dangerous place”. And he specifically said “the border”, not the entire nation of Mexico. So #1 on your list “THE MOST DANGEROUS” by this metric (per capita murders) – is nowhere near the border.
As to your UN link (lol at you citing the UN as a reliable source), in the context of Trump’s statement, the danger that he was describing was the danger to Americans. Your UN link describes the danger to the migrants. So your UN source is not responsive to proving Trump’s claim.
So I gave Lying Jeffy examples of how the border with Mexico is the border with the most dangerous place in the world, and he says it doesn't count because the world's most dangerous cities of Ciudad Juárez, Ciudad Obregón, and Tijuana aren't actually straddling the border, but ever so slightly south, sometimes miles, sometimes inches.
Then I gave Lying Jeffy a report by the United Nations' International Organization for Migration saying US-Mexico Border World’s Deadliest Migration Land Route, but apparently that doesn't count either because...
wait for it...
"lol at you citing the UN as a reliable source" and also "in the context of Trump’s statement, the danger that he was describing was the danger to Americans", which isn't something Trump said, but as we all know Lying Jeffy has no problems with lying.
One. More. Time.
Trump did NOT say the Southwestern border is ‘a very dangerous place’.
Trump did NOT say the Southwestern border is ‘the most dangerous border region in the world’.
Trump said that the Southwestern border is ‘the most dangerous place in the world‘.
No, Tijuana doesn’t count, because according to your own list, it is not the most dangerous place. That would be Colima, Mexico, which is number 1 on YOUR LIST and is ~700 miles away from the border.
And this is why you are just a paid shill for Trump, you play these games and you go on and on bending over backward to defend the man. When you say 'Fuck Trump' nobody believes you are sincere.
Jeff. I've given you two examples demonstrating that the US border is the most dangerous in the world.
One was a declaration from the United Nations. Eight months ago it garnered headlines around the world like this: US-Mexico border is officially the DEADLIEST in the world: At least 686 deaths and multiple migrants going missing makes it the most dangerous crossing and this: US-Mexico border is world's deadliest land migration route, IOM finds.
I don't believe you didn't remember this. Especially when posted by your precious Reuters.
I've given all the evidence anyone needs. You have not posted one citation or jot of evidence to prove that the UNs statement was wrong.
I can state in all confidence, you're lying.
US-Mexico border is officially the DEADLIEST in the world: At least 686 deaths and multiple migrants going missing makes it the most dangerous crossing
Irrelevant. Trump did not say "the most dangerous border in the world", he said "the most dangerous place in the world".
US-Mexico border is world’s deadliest land migration route, IOM finds.
Not responsive to the claim, as I stated - in context, the danger to which Trump refers is danger to Americans, but in that UN report, they are referring to danger to the migrants.
That is clear when you read the entire quote:
He is clearly referring to violent crime that migrants commit, when that UN report is referring to what happens to the migrants themselves.
This is yet one more way that you are trying to find some nitpicking technicality to avoid admitting that Trump lied. Does this sound like someone who sincerely believes 'Fuck Trump'?
Lie #3:
Me – Yes, and some child in Panama, some baker in Vienna, some concrete worker in Kyoto, didn’t give a shit, so Trump’s hyperbole was a lie.
Is Trump responsible for the choice of his words, or not?
Let me put it to you this way: if Biden had said "everybody, without exception, liberals, conservatives, Democrats, Republicans, supported Roe v. Wade", would you call that a lie, or would you call that "hyperbole"? We all know the answer to that question.
You misunderstood the use of the word “everybody “. It doesn’t mean every individual, it’s people from a wide variety of groups that were listed.
Intentionally misunderstood*
Deliberately, purposefully misunderstood.
And yes, that was what I demonstrated to the deceit filled monster earlier too, but he's resorting to literalism temporarily for his own purposes (which will last only until he has to defend Biden's next "misstatement) ... and that was what I was mocking in the quote he just posted.
Jeffy - "He said he 'loves everyone', but that's impossible because he doesn't know everybody in the world, and does that mean he loves Kim Jong Un and Putin? He's either lying or he loves Kim Jong Un and Putin!!"
The Tariffs are passed on to the customer.
Like any other cost of doing business.
Most of these guys think tariffs are the only costs passed on based on the number of times they mention it. Amount dwarfed by regulatory costs, theft, employment costs, etc. They are laser focused on such a small part of government induced or allowed costs. It is intentional so they can ignore all the other added costs.
That's correct. The customers pay the tariffs. Not the producer. Not China.
The importer pays the tariffs, when it's a Chinese company importing into the US through US-based distributors or a broker, then they pay the tariffs.
Does the consumer pay the tariff? No. Of course not.
Are the costs transferred to the customer in the sale price? Of course, that's how selling stuff works.
It's time to stop lying about this, Lying Jeffy. Trump was 100% correct in that tariffs will bring revenue in from Chinese importers into the US.
that tariffs will bring revenue in from Chinese importers into the US.
When Trump said that tariffs will "force them to pay us a lot of money", the "them" refers to COUNTRIES that are exporting to the US, not import companies.
And, ML, if that is really what you thought Trump meant - why didn't you say that from the outset? Why did you go through this meandering path of excuses and irrelevant distractions to get to this point?
The reason is that you were searching for any reason that you could think of to get Trump off the hook. You just HAD to find SOME way to show that Trump wasn't lying, and if one bullshit argument doesn't work, then just move on to the next bullshit argument, until one sticks. That is your strategy here. Does this sound like the behavior of someone who sincerely believes "Fuck Trump"?
Nice post Jeff
Fuck off, Jeff.
Hey, chem, can you provide examples of giving "benefit of the doubt", given you assumed a guy discussing returning to the 1960's means he supports subjugating women and beating minorities?
I'm curious as to what you consider it to be.
See jeff is here. So... Jeff's america.
Training on slides at Ft Bragg (stop calling it fort liberty) calls pro life groups like National Right to Life a terrorist organization. Now Jeff can defend the multi year sentencing for these groups while defending 0 day sentencing for rapes of a minor.
https://www.wral.com/story/fort-liberty-responds-to-slide-calling-anti-abortion-groups-terrorist-organizations/21520553/
Image:
https://x.com/samosaur/status/1811198101522391419
Will Jesse admit that Trump lied during the debate?
The Meeting of the Right Rightist Minds will now come to Odor!
Years ago by now, Our Dear Leader announced to us, that He may commit murder in broad daylight, and we shall still support Him! So He Has Commanded, and So Must Shit be Done!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/24/donald-trump-says-he-could-shoot-somebody-and-still-not-lose-voters
And now, oh ye Faithful of the Republican Church, Shit Has Become Known Unto us, that Shit is also in His Power and Privilege Ass Well, to murder the USA Constitution in broad daylight. Thus He Has Spoken, and Thus Must Shit Be Done! Thou shalt Render Unto Trump, and simply REND the USA Constitution, and wipe thine wise asses with shit! Do NOT render unto some moldering old scrap of bathroom tissue! Lest we be called fools, or worse!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html
Proud Boys, STAND with TRUMP, and stand by! And if ye don’t agree 110%, then we don’t need you polluting our world, because all who disagree with us in ANY way are LEFTISTS!!!
There, I think that’s a wrap! I’ve covered shit ALL! You can take the rest of the day off now.
(You’re welcome!)
Will Jesse admit that Trump lied during the debate?
Trump didn't lie, Lying Jeffy, and ironically you're lying about that.
When will you finally admit that you're lying?
I dont even bother when jeff is making mistakes. His talking point has been refuted a half dozen times. He is hoping nobody has seen those issues.
Also the original argument was jeff claiming Trump lies more and I posted 20 lies from Joe. Jeff was the one refusing to admit Joe lied. He said half of them weren’t lies and then didn’t provide evidence against a single liste lie by Joe.
His entire argument here is an extension of him using the DNC narrative post debate that Joe is more honest than Trump and Jeff denying all the lies Joe told.
It is quite amazing watching how Jeff fails here day after day.
I have never claimed Trump doesn't lie. I pointed out the "official CNN" fact checker was calling hyperbole lies.
Also the original argument was jeff claiming Trump lies more
No, it wasn't. I never made any claim about who lied more. CNN did claim that Trump lied more, so if you disagree, take it up with them.
Jeff was the one refusing to admit Joe lied.
Not true. I happily admitted when Biden lied, where I thought he had actually lied. The problem with your list, is that it included many that were not actual lies. But there were some that were, and I said so.
I have never claimed Trump doesn’t lie.
Well, that is more of an admission that ML is willing to make. Did Trump lie during the debate? Yes or no?
Are you back to that schtick again? You try admitting that Biden lies. Go ahead. I'm not going to baby sit you again on this one, hold your hand while you get closer and closer to a single comment saying "Biden lies" without throwing in adjectives and qualifying clauses and side remarks about Trump lying too.
You're a fucking weasel.
This is silly. Of course Biden lies. I said so at the time and I have continued to say so ever since.
Perhaps you might direct your attention to our fifty-center friends Jesse and ML over here who refuse to say that Trump lied during the debate.
It took you all day last time to say Biden lies without prevaricating or bringing in Trump.
It takes you zero seconds to say Trump lies.
Bias, buddy. That's what it is.
You mean, is it true that I despise Trump more than I despise Biden? Why, yes. I think that is a fair statement.
But - and here's the kicker - "despising Trump more" is not the same as "supporting Biden". We don't live in a binary black/white world.
But realistically, there are only two choices to pick from.
Jeff's public school system.
Thousands of cases of teachers sexually abusing minors go unreported every year as public school districts try to bury and hide it.
https://realclearwire.com/articles/2024/07/10/forbidden_fruit_and_the_classroom_the_huge_american_sex-abuse_scandal_that_educators_scandalously_hush_up_1042969.html
Jesse's America:
Innocent teachers falsely accused of 'grooming' due to misinformation or political disagreement have their careers and reputations damaged and ruined.
https://nebraska.tv/news/local/nebraska-group-uses-legal-strategy-to-fight-false-claims-of-grooming-adam-morfeld-danielle-helzer-dane-christensen-central-city-nebraska-legal-action-fund
^ "Hang Trump on the nearest rope" clanster self-projects.
Ouch. A Facebook post.
You got 'em now, Groomer Jeffy.
"Comments on Facebook sparked a firestorm in Central City with an accusation a teacher was grooming students. Now a new legal strategy seeks to hold people accountable for making false claims.
“A grooming agenda” is what a Facebook post said about the musical at Central City High School. The term groomer is often hurled as an insult online and to hear it used against music teacher Dane Christensen shocked those who know him."
Jeff sure disproved schools have a pedophile problem with that one.
It is so easy to get jeff worked up here. Just expose children being harmed from his teams policies and the spittle starts.
Haha, he’s been trying so hard, and it just keeps blowing up in his face.
Merriam Kansas' finest!
So let me get this straight............
Biden and the [D] team propose MASSIVE 'government' powers.
Trump and the [R] team propose 'government' De-Regulation.
...but since Trump and the [R] team didn't do enough....
BOAF SIDEZ!!!! /s
Reason really is turning into a skid-mark-stain of a lefty-rag.
Jesse's America:
Outraged right-wing parent goes to school board meeting, accuses specific teachers and administrators of "grooming" and abusing children, gets hit with a defamation lawsuit. I"m sure Jesse will be along soon to claim "but the parent is the real victim here".
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/anti-woke-dad-accused-teachers-of-grooming-kids-he-got-hit-with-a-20-million-lawsuit/ar-BB1oboxc
The parents are the real victims of [Na]tional So[zi]alist Commie-Indoctrination. Instead of continuing to argue about whos indoctrination wins how about removing that UNCONSTITUTIONAL socialism.
Related:
A majority of Republicans now believe that same-sex relationships are immoral.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/507230/fewer-say-sex-relations-morally-acceptable.aspx
Way to go! Your moral panic about 'grooming' worked! Goal achieved!
"Only poking others poopy-butthole is moral!!!" - leftards.
I actually find humor in the fact the left started the government "morals" battle and then spends all their time self-projecting what they themselves started.
Republicans NEVER EVER EVER EVER cared if you liked other people's poopy-buttholes. It was leftards that turned it into a political subject.
Sacre Bleu, the party dominated by Christian voters reflect their values!
It's a-okay for a party to represent Jeffy's sex and identity religious cult, but don't you dare represent the religious values of 70% of the population.
Jeff is such a hypocrite.
Other other me?
Jeff is a fucking moron.
Hey, care to discuss YOUR moral panic from yesterday?
Last 2 days. Gays are being hunted and killed 2 days ago. Conservatices beat all their wives yesterday. But jeff is the only honest person in the comments. Don't bring up migrant crimes, raping minors, or the 150B a year spent on them. That is rare.
Bringing up the crimes of illegals is not giving them the benefit of the doubt, it would appear.
Nice to see he is apparently blocking me.
Democrats always have good intentions and sometimes make honest mistakes. Conservstoves just want to kill illegals and guys. Even when it is illegals killing or assaulting the guys. - jeff summation.
I hear we get triple points for scalping a gay immigrant.
Nancy says they have "sparks of divinity"./s
I wonder what happened.
During the Trump years, a majority of them accepted same-sex marriage.
It’s a mystery!
Oh look, they were pushing alphabet sex cult garbage on to minors. Looks like the dad was 100% correct:
"Damon Gettier, the parent and defendant in question, appeared at a May 18, 2023 meeting with the school board where he, after having made Facebook posts angry about gay people existing at the school, went on a long rant where he called LGBTQ+ materials at schools indoctrination and grooming, the Roanoke Times reports."
When will you disgusting pedophile fucks stop fiddling with people's kids, Creepjeff?
Jeff says it's ok to jack off on a rape victim.
So I'm confused by this Baldwin dismissal.
The crux of it is an ex Arizona cop (not relayed to New Mexico or the filming) handed over bullets similar (not the actual bullets from the set) to New Mexico police (so not evidence from the set, no chain of custody) 2 years after the set shooting (again not related to the case in any manner) and due to this not being reported to the defense, the case is tossed? The evidence is inadmissible outside of maybe an expert testimony regarding blanks used on sets. It has no evidentiary value except from witness testimony. The defense is fine finding an armored to testify about the types of bullets used. Yet this was enough to toss the case?
Meanwhile in the J6 cases we have evidence of intentional withholding of actual related and proper evidence and none of those cases are tossed.
Can someone explain? Do prosecutors need to turn over evidence they don't plan to use nor has an actual relation to the case?
The prosecutor threw it.
A damned travesty.
But the reasoning by the judge makes absolute zero sense.
Can someone explain
It's (D)ifferent with Alex Baldwin.
Actors are special people .
Getting more blatant every day.
Beyond the Baldwin case, where does the precedent for dismissing charges based on prosecution misbehavior come from?
Sure, in some cases the defendant was not responsible for the accused crime (if any crime was indeed committed), and prosecutors have fabricated or withheld evidence. But in cases where some evidence still supports conviction, why excuse the defendant? Wouldn't we see more "justice" by continuing to prosecute the defendant AND file charges against the corrupt prosecution?
I am all for crimes being dismissed for actual prosecutorial misconduct. The prosecution withholding J6 security and body cam footage from J6 defendants a glaring example.
But I can't logically see the misconduct here. The evidence would have been dismissed as not germane to the case. The bullets weren't from the set. It wasn't controlled or have chain of custody, as the evidence was completely unrelated to the case. I dont see how this is misconduct.
Yeah and the prosecutor called herself to the stand and declared her love for Baldwin and...His politics!? And the judge dismissed the case... With Prejudice!? Over evidence from some guy which had nothing to do with the case? Somebody is obviously getting paid here.
Best justice money can buy!
The bullets weren't from the set, but they were from the same supplier, so they speak to the likelihood of live rounds having been caused by an outside party to turn up unexpectedly on the set of Rust. You think that's not germane? I'd expect it to be enough to reopen the Gutierrez case.
Suppose someone were on trial for an injury resulting from operation of a motor vehicle. Then somebody reveals that the same model car driven by someone else had a defect that would cause the same kind of injury. Do you think that's unrelated?
So let's stipulate that somebody brought live rounds to the set. Does that exonerate Baldwin for reckless behavior?
No. It isnt germane. It also isn’t hiding evidence as the defense can easily ask the supplier for their information. And since this was delivered by an unconnected 3rd party it wouldn't be germane or fall under rules of evidence.
Stop being a retard.
Baldwin is freed and next day Trump gets shot...
Is Baldwin a good shot or not?
His range seems to be 10 feet.
Good news for sarc. His bathtub vodka is legal now.
https://dailycaller.com/2024/07/12/federal-judge-americans-constitutional-right-distill-moonshine-bathtub/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Bad news for sarc. Trump judge.
You can’t distill with a bathtub. You could ferment in a bathtub. Do a have a constitutional right to ferment in an sanitized container designed for the task?
I think my state might still get mad at me.
Give the Japanese a few years and they will get a toilet still combo going.
Ha!
A toilet that squirts my butt with warm water AND serves a cold martini could make up for a pretty bad day.
Not just serves it. Manufactures it. Just add some grain to the hopper on top. For a real treat you can have a martini bidet - extra clean.
Or someone could point out that tips are optional, and tipping rules are dependent on state laws, per the Constitution. It's not a federal issue.
In the future, everyone will have a tipping jar.
In addition to a UBI?
Hmm, Jarret - under which president were the working class doing better?
Does anyone know what a zugzang is?
It is like a thing in chess where the player must make a move that would put him in a worse position.
The Dems ended in a zugzang when Brandon announced he was running for re-election!
Shut up misek.
zugzwang
I remember when the Democrat party represented the working people of this nation. They opposed the Viet Nam war, They supported a decent education for the kids and most of all they supported Freedom of Speech.
Today is the opposite. The despise working people, they want to restrict speech and turn public education into a brainwashing and grooming centers for future Marxists.
The democrat party may as well change their name to the Marxist Party. This is the result of allowing Marxists to remain in education, particularly colleges and universities where the majority of the indoctrination takes place, not that it doesn't occur in public schools.
Joe McCarthy was right.
It may be too late to do anything about this situation we're in, except to just allow the whole collapse and start over.
"They opposed the Viet Nam war . . ."
You don't remember any better than Biden:
US involvement increased under President John F. Kennedy, from 1,000 military advisors in 1959 to 23,000 by 1964.
Following the Gulf of Tonkin incident in 1964, the US Congress passed a resolution that gave President Johnson authority to increase military presence, without a declaration of war. Johnson ordered deployment of combat units and dramatically increased American troops to 184,000.
After Richard Nixon's election in 1969, a policy of "Vietnamization" began, which saw the conflict fought by an expanded ARVN, while US forces withdrew due to domestic opposition. US ground forces had mostly withdrawn by 1972
Just for the record, Kennedy and Johnson were democrats, Nixon was a republican.
The DNC has never represented the working class.
They have always just used identity politics to gain and keep power.
They prefer to own their workers.
Yet another Communist contributor? Are there really no libertarian writers out there who could contribute?
The author worries that tips would still be subject to payroll taxes which would render Trump's plan useless. The obvious solution is a resurgence of cash transactions which allows the recipient to decide if they own their own labor or that it belongs to the state. The biggest threat to the working class is CBDC which the Biden regime is busily working to impose as a mandatory currency. The working class will be crushed. Trump has declared that CBDC will not happen under his administration.
On one side:
protectionist tariffs
pro-business policies, even (especially) for legacy industries
low taxes
closed borders
rhetoric criticizing the self-anointed over-educated elite who want to run the world
On the other side:
protectionist tariffs
inflated minimum wages (but without guarantees of jobs and hours--yet)
anti-business policies, except for selected companies and industries (which are not viable without government support)
high taxes
open borders (and lots of competition at the bottom of the wage scale)
rhetoric criticizing anyone who does not embrace the woke agenda and Grand Plan
What's a working family to do?
[mouth agape emoji if one exists]
So let's see...Republicans want to cut taxes, Democrats want to squeeze more out of employers, and you...want to form committees to look for some complicated "solution" that would navigate between these poles??!!! HOW FAR DO YOU WANT TO FUCKING GO (OR GO FUCKING) TO AVOID ENDORSING REPUBLICAN IDEAS?
This looks remarkably like Mussolini's alternative between free enterprise and socialism. You even want to organize like the syndicates!
HOW FAR DO YOU WANT TO FUCKING GO (OR GO FUCKING) TO AVOID ENDORSING REPUBLICAN IDEAS?
Those are deplorables, therefore they will be avoided like the plague.
Breaking. Shots fired at Trump rally in PA. Trump down but walks away surrounded by Secret Service.
Trump bleeding from his right ear.
Walks to the limo surrounded by SS fist in the air.
Well, it was his “right” ear.
And just to be clear—by "SS" we mean Secret Service.
And the hot war begins.
Shit meet fan.
Doubtful. If Trump wins, then it might if the Deep State doesn't tard-wrangle their Antifa footsoldiers from going out into the suburbs. But as long as they trash their own deep blue urban pigpens, then it's no real loss.
How long before the media calls this a false flag operation?
Yesterday?
CNNs initial headline said Trump fell after loud noise rang out in crowd trying to downplay it.
Look at these breaking news headlines.
https://redstate.com/jeffc/2024/07/13/media-deceptively-downplays-alleged-shooting-at-trump-rally-n2176804
I guess at this point they can't help themselves. Bunch of 3rd degree cunts.
Not good.
Yeah. Nobody believes your concern lol.
They tried stabbing him twice in 2015.
Didn't Biden just get caught saying he would take Trump out this week?
HE MEANT FOR JELLO!
They just made a serious goddamn mistake.
WAPO headline…
“Trump taken away after loud noises heard at rally”
They apparently didn’t hear the Secret Service yelling “Shooter down “.
Mostly peaceful assassination attempt.
Trump just survived an assassination attempt so I guess he's our new president.
We need to have a real conversation about leftist violence in this country.
They’ll just say we have to ban guns harder.
Well, the “state” with the highest rate of gun violence is Washington DC, a real Democratic stronghold.
The wise Latina's bodyguards had to take out a ruffian a couple days ago. Self defense for me but not for thee.
To be fair, it's not "self" defense. It's defense of anointed elite by special state-agent minions as a rightful privilege.
You, on the other hand, are fucked.
Ford and Reagan both had assassination attempts on them (granted, Reagan's was due to a fruit loop trying to impress a lesbian actress, so it wasn't political), and Trump had one or two attempts on his life in 2016, as well. Also throw in James Hodgkinson and Rand Paul's neighbor.
I guess it says something about Democrats that they haven't had a politician worth killing since 1968. To be fair, Leo Ryan was a Democrat, but that was left-on-left violence by a cult just slightly less dangerous than todays college academics.
Maybe not worth killing, but lots of (D) politicians need killing.
Assassins are now 0-3 vs him.
https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Man-attempts-to-enter-White-House-with-knife-to-assassinate-Trump-617043
And one at a rally in 2015.
CNN: Trump injured at event in Pennsylvania.
Oh my fucking god... Trump's ear appears to start spontaneously bleeding after some loud noises heard somewhere nearby.
You a Washington Post reporter?
And an advocate for more federal regulation of noise safety?
Common sense regulation.
Did they report it with glee?
Now, how many Democratic talking heads will tsk-tsk and suggest he had it coming?
Nah. False flag operation. It’s already showing up in the Post.
CNN: “Trump removed from stage after loud noises startle former president.”
Goddamn fucks.
It's pretty incredible, this degree of blatant propaganda.
Watch the footage of how Trump handled himself, after being shot at and fucking being hit, and then being man-handled offstage by security into a car.
That’s your next president folks.
The DNC and their friends in the media thought they had a shitty couple of weeks dealing with Biden drooling all over himself during the debate.
Just hang it up fellas, you’re fucked.
This assassination attempt will definitely change the VP pick.
Vivek has probably won it.
I hope so.
Attendee killed. Shooter dead. Looking like a real deal assassination attempt.
We'll see if the Secret Service clapped him or if he self-deleted.
From the video, it sounded like a 22, but I don’t have a lot of range time with suppressors, so I suppose it could’ve been an even higher powered rifle.
Motherfucker was millimeters from making headshots, real assassination attempt for sure.
They probably did manage to kill the chances of getting a Democrat in the White House though. Better luck next time, you pieces of shit.
Sullum: While libertarians condemn political violence (but not political lawfare) this was the inevitable consequence of Trump's bogus election fraud claims.
Conservatives pounce on gun violence in Pennsylvania, refuse to push gun control.
At this point I'm nearly certain the election was stolen. I was always in 'there's no way to really know but anyone who thinks you're crazy for wondering is just a fool". Now i'm pretty damn sure it was stolen.
Aww man, that guy was 1 cm away from being an absolute boss hero to about a billion people.
To a billion retards You mean.
Who all deplore violence and hate guns.
Who said I deplore all violence?
Pure class
You guys have been talking about civil war for 30 years now and now you’re all butthurt that someone on the other side is shooting back. I give the shooter credit… at least he didn’t gun down innocent civilians at a mosque, Black people at a church, or a social Democratic youth club on an island. My Yelp review is 3 stars out of 5.
Yeah, your side sticks to King Soopers, Congressional softball games, various schools, 4th of July parades, and drives their car into Christmas parades with lots of white people.
If political violence is acceptable on those terms, then your death is equally deserved Buttplug.
Instead, he’ll now be president again for sure.
Enjoy, well adjusted asshole.
Wanna go hunting with me and my buddies?
Listen, if this does turn out to be an operation set up by the Biden administration it definitely falls under the guise of an official act and is therefore not actionable in a legal sense.
LOL at leftists admitting they really do want to assassinate their political opponents.
The shooter was only following orders; “It’s time to put Trump in the bullseye!”
Joe Biden
Did Joe have a thing for Sarah Palin?
Nah… I hope the rapist douchebag makes a full recovery and then has a stroke.
It’s my wife you need to talk with. She’s beeming. I’m trying to talk her out of it. Some ordinary person died… we should be upset at that.
How does your wife talk considering she's made of vinyl?
Trump after getting shot, while the Secret Service are trying to drag him off the stage: "Let me get my shoes, I need my shoes."
LOL, what a fuckin' G. To be fair, they're probably really expensive shoes.
Dude's going to make absolute hay of this. The GOP convention's going to be on complete fucking lockdown at this point. Deep State's going to have to bow to the inevitable and let him have his second term, then try to regroup in 2028 with Newsom or Pritzker.
He’s shouting FIGHT!!! FIGHT!!! FIGHT!!! while one of the people behind him just got killed. Tells you what kind of violent asshole he is.
You would have been very useful at D-day.
Your kind? Definitely the most violent assholes in history. That's why Democrat-voting cities need to be turned into quiet neighborhoods for 1000 years.
You mean the type of people that would order a 5th whiskey sour at the pool bar?!? Yeah, definitely violent.
Is that what you call the alley behind the mission church?
I have to interpret his quote as zeal in defense of (his) liberty (brand). He wants there to be a fight because he has been almost killed. Ergo, he has something worth fighting for. This is not a dictator chasing down an unripe tomato hurler.
Reading between the lines, I wonder if he had advance knowledge of a threat on his life before he made his tomato speech.
There is a conspiracy theory er reality theory afoot that posits that the whole Biden debate debacle was a setup by nefarious deep state/Democrat forces to hand the election to Trump. Whoever takes office in 2025 will be faced with a domestic economy on the verge of collapse and a world on the verge of ww3. The plan is to let Trump take the hit and then install a permanent leftist/Democrat regime. Seems reasonable to me.
I don't know about setup, but they're definitely hanging him out to dry. No way in hell would his NATO speech and "big boy press conference" been shown live even a year ago. And yeah, it's likely because they know there's an economic collapse brewing, and they don't want a Dem in office when it happens. Better to let the GOP take the heat for it and give the Dems a chance to get back on the throne in 2028.
All these right-wing morons on Twitter are locked-and-loaded while I’m locked and loaded on my 4th cocktail at the resort I’m at. TO WAR!!! RIGHT-WINGERS!! TO WAR!!
No hicklib like a Rosenbaum'd hicklib.
Is that resort in your mom's basement?
Keep ‘em coming. That sense of humor is really going to come in handy in about four months.
As I’ve said before… because of the color of my skin and my income a Biden or Trump presidency won’t make any difference to me. I’m voting 60% for the guy who is not a rapist.
Where's the other 40% of your vote going, you slack-jawed, slope-foreheaded hicklib?
I’m no longer poor, but I used to be. Assassination attempts aside if you are a poor White male (as i used to be) and you are voting for a Republican because you don’t want CRT taught in our classrooms you are a Grade-A fucking honky moron.
Oh, went from "This Old Box" to "This Old Public Library"?
Also, all left-wing whites should do themselves a favor and self-delete for the original sin of their skin color. Especially hicklibs.
'House Democratic Leader Sends Thoughts and Prayers to Trump'
WTF? Doesn't Jeffries know how meaningless and cold-hearted that is?
Yeaaggg… I’m moving onto cocaine. Booze ain’t doing it today.
I would mix that 50-50 with fentanyl.
Democrats don't pounce...
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/election-biden-trump-07-13-24/index.html
Obama, Biden, Clintons, Jeffries, Pelosi all condemned it, to their credit.
More of them prance.
False flag. Trump put a blade behind his ear and some Deep State Project 2025 douche lit up some fireworks. Oldest trick in Roger Stone’s playbook. Sorry you fell for it, morons.
Aren't you done jerking off yet?
I’m trying to channel my best Alex Jones. How am I doing?
Your mom is gonna make you wash your own towels again.
‘Biden said he has tried to get in touch with Trump and so far it appears he is doing well. He also said this was being thoroughly investigated. He said he does not know enough to say if this was an assassination attempt.’
Does not know enough? That sounds like Joe.
(And total bullshit. That sounds like Democrats.)
This attempted assassination is terrible. I loathe the guy but I don't want to see him murdered. The way to defeat him, the way to defeat both teams, is at the ballot box.
You read about assassination attempts in history books, you read about them happening in foreign countries (including successful ones), and you think that it can't happen here. Maybe America is not so exceptional after all.
We've had four Presidents killed and several who came under assassination attempts themselves. Reagan's attempt was a little over 40 years ago, which isn't that long. TR was shot while giving a speech, while Jackson beat the shit out of a guy who tried to plug him.
It absolutely can happen, which is why we have the Secret Service, but even they can't keep it locked down 100% of the time.
You realize that Reagan's assailant was not shot dead. Republican policy has apparently changed.
Just a reminder,
https://nypost.com/2024/04/19/us-news/house-democrat-introduces-bill-aimed-at-trump-that-would-strip-secret-service-protection-from-felons/
why would you want to strip secret service protection from a former president and current leading candidate? What could possibly be the reason? Really makes you go hmmm
At a time when stories of being tipped $30,000 or similar thousand-base tips promulgate, we find very generous that the president could eliminate IRS and DEA interest alike at the same time with the stroke of a pen. Forget money laundering and where people get their money because no one has to know ::ha::
After checking in at other news sites such as The Gate Way Pundit, reports are the Democrats have practically conceded the election to Trump. The atmosphere around the Democrat election headquarters is of doom and defeat. They will concentrate on the House and the Senate.