Ukrainian President…Putin?
Plus: How Biden's handlers influenced journalists, nepo baby COVID-19 hysteria, NYC's war on shampoo bottles, and more...

Biden's "big boy" press conference: Yesterday, President Joe Biden tried his very darndest not to have any verbal gaffes during the final session of NATO's 75th anniversary summit and the subsequent press conference. Unfortunately, the 81-year-old—who appears to be ailing from dementia, Parkinson's, or some other age-related cognitive issues, and is still reeling from his abysmal debate performance two weeks ago—was not able to pull off that feat.
"Now I want to hand it over to the president of Ukraine, who has as much courage as he has determination, ladies and gentlemen, President Putin," said Biden when introducing Ukraine's president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, whose country is currently being razed to the ground by Vladimir Putin. (Biden did correct himself quite quickly, saying, "Going to beat President Putin, President Zelenskyy. I am so focused on beating Putin.")
Later, a reporter asked Biden if America's standing in the world was damaged by the Putin-Zelenskyy gaffe, gesturing at the cognitive decline scandal. "Did you see any damage to our standing in my leading this conference?" retorted an indignant Biden, striking a Trumpy note. "Have you seen a more successful conference? What do you think? I thought it was the most successful conference I've attended in a long time and find me a world leader who didn't think it was."
Later, when a Reuters reporter asked Biden if he was confident in his vice president, Kamala Harris, Biden got confused for a moment. "Look, I wouldn't have picked Vice President Trump to be vice president if she was not qualified to be president. So start there," he said.
Some people, of course, found Biden's performance good. The only trouble is that they all happen to be on the White House payroll:
To answer the question on everyone's minds: No, Joe Biden does not have a doctorate in foreign affairs.
He's just that fucking good.
— Andrew Bates (@AndrewJBates46) July 12, 2024
As for the rest of us who aren't paid Biden shills, the performance did not instill much confidence. It did not put to rest the concerns most political observers have about Biden running for president again. He remains embroiled in crisis.
But perhaps more importantly, there remains very little most of us can do about it. Those in Biden's inner circle—which includes his family, like son Hunter, wife Jill, and sister Valerie, as well as a cadre of loyal staffers who have been with him for decades—have no incentive to give up power or to persuade Biden to call it quits. Instead, they stage-manage his performances, tightly controlling press access and feeding reporters softball questions.
One reporter, Andrea Lawful-Sanders of WURD in Philadelphia, resigned after it became public that she had used questions fed to her by Biden's press people. The Earl Ingram Show, a Wisconsin radio show that had received a list of questions from Biden's handlers prior to the interview, admitted yesterday that it had cut two chunks of the show before it aired at the behest of the Biden campaign. The total amount removed was allegedly about 16 seconds long and included a chunk in which Biden called African Americans "blacks"—precisely the type of thing that would play very poorly on social media and among the progressive left.
"I have more blacks in my administration than any other president, all other presidents combined, and in major positions, cabinet positions," said Biden at one point during the interview. The second cut was to cull odd, incoherent comments about the Central Park Five.
It's not just the campaigning, though; it's also the governing. Cabinet meetings are infrequent and members of the Cabinet say they do not know much about Biden's condition due to how rarely they see him. (The last one was on October 2, for example.)
The gatekeepers: "What Democrats need to admit to themselves is that Biden is denying them the information they need to answer that question," writes Ezra Klein in The New York Times. "Since the debate, he has done a small handful of short interviews. He called into two radio shows where the hosts would ask preapproved questions. His interview with George Stephanopoulos lasted 22 minutes. He called into 'Morning Joe,' which has been the friendliest place for him in cable news, for less than 20 minutes. He has not gone to the Hill and talked, in a lengthy and unscripted way, with either the House or Senate Democratic caucuses. It's not nearly enough."
To be clear, the questions of whether Biden can govern well and whether he can campaign well are somewhat separate, but it's through the work of campaigning that a presidential candidate convinces voters he can govern well, and Biden is denying voters the opportunity to anticipate what that might look like. Whether he's nimble, energetic, and reliable is not tangential to the governing question—these are important attributes that voters have every right to weigh. Politics is about both perception and reality. The reality may well be that Biden is strong on foreign policy particulars behind closed doors, but if the perception is that he's a weak and impotent leader, that surely matters too.
One cannot help but wonder: If we had a media more interested in attempting to reveal the truth rather than aiding and abetting the man in power, how might things be different? How much sooner might we have learned about Biden's deteriorating condition? And how much harder would it have been for his inner circle to maintain and uphold the delusion that he's a suitable candidate for another four-year term as president?
Scenes from New York: New York hotels will no longer be allowed by the government to provide tiny plastic shampoo and conditioner bottles to their guests, as of January 1. The only other nation that disrespects their tourists in this manner is California.
QUICK HITS
- Little Marco's big glow-up.
- Violet Affleck, daughter of Ben Affleck and Jennifer Garner, appeared before the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors to engage in some truly stunning COVID-19 hysteria. "I demand mask availability, air filtration and far UV-C light in government facilities, including jails and detention centers, and mask mandates in county medical facilities," the 18-year-old celebrity-kid said. The whole saga is noteworthy not because Affleck's opinions matter in any way whatsoever, but rather because it suggests just how deeply some COVID insanity has burrowed into teenagers' brains.
- "The magic of the supermarket is that it hides the inherent variability of agriculture," writes Yasmin Tayag at The Atlantic. But that era may be ending.
- Good ol' even-keeled Rachel Maddow:
"I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that the fate of the world hangs in the balance" —@Maddow speaking on MSNBC ahead of the Biden press conference
— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) July 11, 2024
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I thought it was the most successful conference I've attended in a long time and find me a world leader who didn't think it was."
I'm sure Zelensky thought otherwise, but beggars cannot bitch.
I’m thinking Putin got a chuckle out of it.
I'm sure it had him quaking in his boots. Just the other day, Biden reminded us that he has kept Putin in check.
What? Putin also gets 10%?
I'm sure it had him quaking in his boots. Just the other day, Biden reminded us that he has kept Putin in check.
Ukrainian President Putin is ALMOIST ass scary ass USA President Orange Shitler!!! AKA the Great Whitish-Orangish Pumpkin-Feather-Father!
USA President Orange Shitler
We have two orange men running for president now, Shillsy. Which one?
The bad one. You know, the famous Orange Man Bad!
Most of all, HAIL the Pussy-Grabber in Chief, for having revoked karma! What comes around, will no longer go around!!! The Donald has figured out that all of the un-Americans are SOOO stupid, that we can pussy-grab them all day, every day, and they will NEVER think of pussy-grabbing us right back!
Orange Man Bad-Ass Pussy-Grabber all right!
We CAN grab all the pussy, all the time, and NONE will be smart enough to EVER grab our pussies right back!
These voters simply cannot or will not recognize the central illusion of politics… You can pussy-grab all of the people some of the time, and you can pussy-grab some of the people all of the time, but you cannot pussy-grab all of the people all of the time! Sooner or later, karma catches up, and the others will pussy-grab you right back!
"The bad one"
The one with dementia who molested his daughter and uses government agencies to spy on and punish his opponents, and target their supporters?
Or the one who doesn't do any of that?
The Orange One who endangers democracy, believing that the voters don't matter at all! That only the vote-counters matter! AND finally that the vote-counters should be appointed by The Emperor!
"The Orange One who endangers democracy"
Again, which one?
Biden endangers democracy, Trump endangers (D)emocracy.
I love how these tards are talking about "democracy" as if it's a virtue in and of itself. The founders talked about it in glowing terms, and even they understood that it was something that could only function in a high-trust culture that didn't put individual self-interest as the supreme good.
Democracy put Hugo Chavez in power. That alone refutes the idea that the institution is inherently virtuous.
OJ Simpson got away with murder! That alone refutes the idea that anti-murder laws are inherently virtuous. DOWN with fallible anti-murder laws!!!
Heh, looks like I triggered the shitmuncher with this salient fact.
Heh, looks like I triggered Red-Rocks-for-"Brains" with a straight-forward, illuminating comparison that shit has NO salient response to! Other than preschool-level name-calling, of course...
Heh, even more triggering.
Other than preschool-level name-calling, of course…
Sir, have some self awareness.
Jefferson Paul, here is yer self-awareness...
I for one can’t STAND the idea that a casual reader here of a libertarian news and commenting site would read the vapid and vile comments, and conclude, “Oh, so THAT’s what libertarians are all about!” No, it’s just that REAL libertarians (and VERY few others) still believe in free speech, so the troglodytes come HERE, where their vile lies & vapid insults will NOT be taken down!
The intelligent, well-informed, and benevolent members of tribes have ALWAYS been feared and resented by those who are made to look relatively worse (often FAR worse), as compared to the advanced ones. Especially when the advanced ones denigrate tribalism. The advanced ones DARE to openly mock “MY Tribe’s lies leading to violence against your tribe GOOD! Your tribe’s lies leading to violence against MY Tribe BAD! VERY bad!” And then that’s when the Jesus-killers, Mahatma Gandhi-killers, Martin Luther King Jr.-killers, etc., unsheath their long knives!
“Do-gooder derogation” (look it up) is a socio-biologically programmed instinct. SOME of us are ethically advanced enough to overcome it, using benevolence and free will! For details, see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/ and http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ .
In conclusion, troglodytes, thanks for helping me to prove my points!
Then they crucified Jesus, 'cause Jesus made them look bad! ALSO because Jesus made them look bad FOR THEIR STUPID, HIDE-BOUND TRIBALISM! "The parable of the Good Samaritan" was VERY pointed, because the Samaritans were of the WRONG tribe, in the eyes of "Good Jews" of the day.
Instead of KILLING Jesus, Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., etc., we’d be better off VOTING for these kinds of people! But we will NOT, ’cause they Hurt Our Precious Baby Feelings, by giving tribalism and do-gooder derogation the disrespect that they (we self-righteous tribalists) SOOO thoroughly deserve!
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?
The above is mostly strictly factual, with very little editorializing. When I post it, the FACTS never get refuted… I only get called names. But what do you expect from morally, ethically, spiritually, and intellectually bankrupt Trumpturds?
Totalitarians want to turn the GOP into GOD (Grand Old Dicktatorshit).
There have been a whole lot of Big Lies told the last 10 years, almost all of them by Obama/Biden and the Team D propagandists
We’ve gone over this a thousand times you untrainable retard…
Hitler accused the Jews of creating a “Big Lie” during WW1. Salon in their stupidity are doing to Trump exactly what Hitler did to the Jews.
“The German expression was first used by Adolf Hitler in his book Mein Kampf (1925) to describe how people could be induced to believe so colossal a lie because they would not believe that someone “could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously”. Hitler claimed that the technique had been used by Jews to blame Germany’s loss in World War I on German general Erich Ludendorff, who was a prominent nationalist political leader in the Weimar Republic.
According to historian Jeffrey Herf, the Nazis used the idea of the original big lie to turn sentiment against Jews and justify the Holocaust.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie
And the Democrats used the idea of the original big lie to turn sentiment against Trump and justify the J6 pogroms.
This is like Section 230 all over again for you, huh?
Mammary-Necrophilia-Farter-Fuhrer MUCH shorter: "Shitler and Trump should BOTH be forgiven for their Big Lies, 'Cause they were both motivated to work for OUR Tribe!!!"
"There have been a whole lot of Big Lies told the last 10 years, almost all of them by Obama/Biden and the Team D propagandists"
Pure twataboutism!!!
Butt, whatabout that them thar whatabouts? Whatabout Hillary? Whatabout OJ Simpson?
How many brain cells does it take to run a socio-political simulation on the following:
Judge and Jury: “Murderer, we find you guilty of murder! 20 years in the hoosegow for YOU! Now OFF with ye!”
Murderer: “But OJ Simpson got off for murder, why not me? We’re all equal, and need to be treated likewise-equal!”
Judge and Jury: “Oh, yes, sure, we forgot about that! You’re free to go! Have a good life, and try not to murder too many MORE people, please! Goodbye!”
Now WHERE does this line of thinking and acting lead to? Think REALLY-REALLY HARD now, please! What ABOUT OJ Simpson, now? Can we make progress towards peace & justice in this fashion?
(Ass for me, I think we should have PUT THE SQUEEZE on OJ!)
Hey Moose-Mammary-NecrophiliaFarter-Fuhrer…
YOU are PervFectly doing the same thing to me that Shitler did to the Jews, and that Salon did to POOR-poor, sorely abused Precious Little Trumpy-Pooo!!! So now we are ALL equally sorely abused, Necrophila-Bee-Yotch!
(So I see NO reasons to cry for YOU, PervFect Bee-Yotch!)
Well that didn't make a lick of sense, Shillsy.
No, Moose-Mammary-Necrophilia-Farter-Fuhrer, shit does NOT make ONE lick of sense that YOU PervFectly accused Salon of KILLING all of the POOR little old sorely abused Trumpy-Poos, the same way that Shitler abused (and killed) the Jews!!!
Fucking psychotic CRAZY old Bee-Yotch that Ye PervFectly are, is the ONLY way to make any "sense" of shit!!!
You'd think a party that uses "superdelegates" to override the will of the people would not go on and on about their love of "democracy".
Spastic asshole has a raging case of TDS, along with being abject ignoramus.
He also eats poop.
Reluctantly?
And strategically.
I don't understand what joy you derive from taunting psychotic retards, but... you do it well.
I don't get it, what's the gaff? Putin will be the president of Ukraine after all of this. Thanks Obama.
He's just that fucking good.
So fucking professional.
Normal people would try not to bring attention to their obvious bullshit.
How dare you decide what is normal, you racist!
If some emotional retard wants to dress like a woman, demand a minimum wage of $1000 an hour, and claim a senile old man has the best brain in the universe, that is their "normal".
Andrew (Master) Bates
I suppose that when one is offering proof that they have no integrity, then they may as well go big.
He’s just that fucking goodest.
Oh, that's a good one! I mean, goodest one!
And the Washington Post commentariat, as usual, blames the Washington Post for truthfully reporting on the gaffes during President Biden's news conference.
Well, if you paid to subscribe for a certain slant of propaganda, wouldn't you complain?
The Deep State's hanging Joepedo out to dry. No way in hell would they have allowed that to be broadcast live even six months ago.
The truth is Biden is a sharp as a 20 year old. That fact must be accepted for the good of the nation.
Duty bound to accept the party lies.
Yeah, it's just that he's as sharp as a 20 year old tomato.
I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that the fate of the world hangs in the balance
This is why you can’t have chicks in charge.
In charge? This is why you can’t let chicks have their own tv show.
Maddow's a chick?
I thought she was a harpy, but I might be mistaken.
Is a cunt, has a cunt, what's the difference in the 21st century?
I was so proud. Our President and his Vice President, Trump, are doing their best to help President Putin defeat Russia. He listens to his commander-in-chief, and he knows all the facts. I also know that jumping 15 time zones 2 weeks for a debate is no longer an option. Come on man. Those are the facts, and if you don't agree, you're a lying dogfaced pony soldier. Any dissent is a bunch of malarkey, and we're done believing your cheap fakes.
C’mon man, don’t be a dog faced pony soldier. He’s doing the goodest job he can do.
The idea that, look…
That's a man who's the sharpest he's ever been. Just ask Joe Scarborough.
The reckoning of this whole shitshow is going to be epic. The lamestream media can't decide whether Joe is a vegetable or Winston Churchill on any given day. The loss of the narrative is glorious, and hopefully it causes enough voters to notice how much bullshit they've been shoveled on every other subject.
I fear that Democrats have practiced cognitive dissonance for so long, they are more than up to the challenge. Biden can be both brilliant and a vegetable. Media can be pillars of a free democracy and bald-faced liars. Democrats are still convinced they are the best hope for human-kind, and right about everything.
Biden can be both brilliant and a vegetable.
I believe Orwell called that doublethink.
Yes.
When I die and meet Orwell, Aldous Huxley and Anthony Burgess, and they ask me which one of the predictions in their dystopian novels turned out to be I'll be able to tell them "They all did!"
Then I'll slap them for writing how-to manuals for the ruling class.
They have ONE MONTH to convince Biden to drop out and transfer his delegates to Harris so she can pick a VP nominee. One month. And this is a major issue because the delegates all fucking committed to voting for Biden in the primaries. He has to release them to vote for someone else, even his own VP. But as long as Grampy is determined to hold on to the car keys, he's not releasing shit
I said way back in 2020 that it was obvious Biden wasn't nearly as lucid as he was in 2016. He's always been a nasty blowhard, but he at least was on the ball with everything. Julian Castro even said right to his face at one of the debates that he was acting senile, and Biden had to turn to fucking Bernie Sanders and ask what Castro was talking about.
The decline was very real, and putting him out like that was tantamount to elder abuse. Like other commenters have stated, I suspect a big reason Jill and Hunter haven't convinced him to drop out is because he's been their meal ticket for so long that they can't foresee how they'd keep the gravy train rolling without him.
The Biden Crime Family is rightly concerned that they'll be prosecuted by a Trump administration.
I'm shocked that they haven't had a donor roll in with $100M and a promised pardon to get him gone.
Trump didn't even go after Hillary, I doubt he's got the balls to go after the Bidens without the Deep State's blessing.
Trump is actually following a pretty decent norm thats been mostly shredded by Democrats on that point. It’s generally a bad thing to prosecute former political foes, but now that Democrats have shredded that norm it remains to be seen what Trump would do.
I’d bank on him doing nothing, because ultimately losing to Trump is it’s own form of punishment. It certainly killed any chances of Hillary ever becoming President, despite it being ‘her turn’ she hasn’t made any moves to run again.
As for Biden, if he loses he’ll never be President again. Mostly because he’ll either be an invalid or dead, but also because he lost to Trump one might imagine.
I don't think Trump would be the one to do it. I think it would be more likely that he pisses off the entrenched statists by not going away and information so damning it can't be denied gets released trying to force him out.
Doubt he will.
He SHOULD...but doubt he will.
It's cute how you think Democrats will feel constrained by laws and procedures. IMO they will do whatever they think gains the most advantage, while shouting "Emergency". And enough idiot Americans will go along. Remember Covid?
The lamestream media can’t decide whether Joe is a vegetable or Winston Churchill on any given day.
That reminds me of the concept of Schrodinger's Feminist:
A woman is simultaneously a victim and empowered, until something happens. Then she chooses which state benefits her the most.
Look FAT! Anyway, I’m in trouble with my wife.
You're begging for a pushup contest there smart guy.
One has orange sherbet the other is just a toilet paper roll.
I thought Corn Pop was the Russian leader.
Not satisfied with feeding journalists questions, Bidens team also requests edits.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/11/milwaukee-radio-station-says-it-agreed-to-edit-interview-with-biden/74369012007/
The campaign wanted these two gems removed:
At time 5:20, the removal of “...and in addition to that, I have more Blacks in my administration than any other president, all other presidents combined, and in major positions, cabinet positions.”
At time 14:15, in reference to Donald Trump’s call for the death penalty for the Central Park Five, the removal of “I don’t know if they even call for their hanging or not, but he–but they said [...] convicted of murder.”
What's notable there is the interviewer ended up being shown the door and yet the station almost certainly agreed to cut those bits. I don't know anything about that particular radio host or the station itself, but this feels like a decision that station knew about but decided to throw the host under the bus.
Either way, that's a psycho decision by the host/outlet since that type of bombshell is how careers get made.
On another life sarc was a journalist. Same victim hood mentality.
A natural tension always exists. But this is different: Biden has operated in a protective bubble, often hermetically sealed from tough questioning. Many reporters believe the White House hid signs of Biden's aging, and played them or badgered them when they did push on the topic.
Many are being harassed on social media for being too soft on Biden. In our experience, most reporters are more insecure than people think, and highly sensitive to how friends and foes see them, especially on X.
https://www.axios.com/2024/07/11/biden-nato-summit-press-conference-2024
Poor journalists.
ICWYDT
There's no way they could have known. None of them have ever travelled with him or seen him off-camera. Those magicians on his staff are better than Sigfried and Roy, and best I can tell, twice as gay.
Too bad the Bidens did not bring albino tigers to the White House.
Scrodingers genius.
It's not their fault, it's the readers who are the problem... yes, that does remind me of a certain angry, drunken troll.
Chuck Todd couldn't even have been a coffee-getter for Woodward and Bernstein. I wonder how much $$$ is on his yearly W-2 from the DNC?
Woodward and Bernstein were handed that story on a silver platter and if not for a disgruntled government employee that didn't get the promotion they wanted, that story would have died and we'd have never heard their names.
It's nuts that people point to those two chuckle fucks as some kind of truth to power when power was literally putting the words into their mouths.
I do not get why more people are not asking "Why the hell was there a LIST of reporters for him to call on?"
How FDA trains employees on how they influence government when they go through the revolving door to industry.
https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/fda-blesses-departing-covid-vaccine-reviewers-influence-agency-behind
(The last one was on October 2, for example.)
He hasn't had a Cabinet Meeting in over NINE MONTHS? With everything going on in the country and the world? Holy Shit.
Yeah, if true that blows my mind.
Yeah, that one was gobsmacking. I believe once a week was typical in the past.
The follow-up question would be how often the cabinet members get to talk directly to Biden, and how long they have to wait for an appointment. For a normal POTUS I would have thought the answers are several times a week and not more than three days unless he's on travel or something. But now who knows. I wonder if the lesser cabinet members are ever allowed direct access.
Just because he hasn't had a cabinet meeting doesn't mean the cabinet hasn't been meeting. Don't you guys know? Ever since June of 2024, the President is just a figurehead; the administration does the governing.
I think you meant January of 2021 . . .
Seriously, they are probably not meeting as a group.
From hints that have been dropped, it looks like Cabinet secretaries that need an answer from the top go talk individually to the Chief of Staff or maybe an assistant to the Chief of Staff. A day or three later the same person gets back to them and says "the President decided that....."
Maybe the question never really went to Biden at all, maybe it did but heavily edited and with a prepared answer he just had to nod and say yes to.
Is it really a surprise, though? We've been saying here for years that it's his DEI staffers who are in charge, not him. The only thing they do is give him cue cards, pre-arranged questions, and literal step-by-step instructions for his appearances. He's the very definition of a meat puppet for the Deep State, and now he's too much of a liability to sustain anymore, because they're terrified Trump's going to come in and have them all executed for their 2020 shenanigans.
Executed? No. Imprisoned? A real possibility for some.
Well, after all, that bunch of diversity hires are totally useless; their staffs get "the word" from whoever is actually running the country, and that is all that matters.
Fascism is efficient like that.
June Kelly with another solid thread on how DoJ plans to ignore Fischer ruling.
https://x.com/julie_kelly2/status/1810308654484115733
Julie*
Inflation is rising again as PPI predicted.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/3076993/inflation-unexpectedly-rose-to-2-7-in-june-in-producer-price-index/
Oil is over $83 again and on an upward trend. We haven't seen the last of it.
They're doing their damnedest to make sure we've seen the last of it.
It is still transitioning.
"I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that the fate of the world hangs in the balance" - Maddow
Unbiased journalism at its finest.
Will she move to Canada this time?
She has a hard time finding the airport; she's a proggy.
Let her know where the Gucci luggage gets processed. I heard that's a suitable incentive.
Based on reading the Canadian requirements for immigration, I doubt it.
I hope not. I’d rather se take a one-way flight to North Sentinel Island & try to make contact with the locals.
Wasn't it not that long ago that the left was trying to warn people about those using fear tactics?
Biden is just a prophet looking 6 months into the future.
If that future is the 1980s (or 1880s), sure.
Hey Liz, I don't think pedofilia and traitorist is an age related desires.
Just like fauci, there is nothing that can happen to Biden that is so bad he doesn't deserver it
"As for the rest of us who aren't paid Biden shills"
No, no, we still have Jeffy.
Also, Shrike, but I think he got canned a while ago, and only continues trolling here out of bitterness and rage.
Unfortunately jeffy and the rest of the looser group aren't even paid shills.
It's the only thing that explains them staying on message even when "facts change".
Media Matters usually fields fifty-centers in the comments of every newspaper and magazine that still has them. They've been doing it since the early 2000's. Over twenty years anyway. Several other orgs do to, although nowhere near Media Matters numbers.
And they don't have to be "good". They just have to influence the conversation.
Sarc simply fails the job interviews.
And at much else, as is appropriate for a drunken, lying pile of lefty shit.
.
Sarc, though retarded, is too centrist to be a shill. His dedication sometimes makes me question whether he does it for free.
Jeff has been a left center doofus since like 2004. He is entirely too stupid to be a shill.
SPB is the lefty most likely to be a paid shill. ras al gore and chubby: 8th rate comic and merc impersonator are the most likely on the other side.
Fuck off, Jeff. And of course you would think Sarckles is centrist, he's almost as establishmentarian as you.
Looks like we outed it as a sarc sock.
“How much sooner might we have learned about Biden's deteriorating condition?”
Come on Liz, don’t be sarcasmic. You’re better than that.
Biden is as sharp as kamala ever was
I honestly don’t know if that’s more complementary to either Biden or Kamala.
"...Unfortunately, the 81-year-old—who appears to be ailing from dementia, Parkinson's, or some other age-related cognitive issues,..."
We don't care. He's demented and not capable of being POTUS. The rest is commentary.
25th Amendment is long overdue for this putz who should never have become POTUS in the first place.
Yeah, but you have to admit that Harris was a clever defensive move.
Agnew was literally forced out at gunpoint. Don't think they can't get rid of Kamahalalala if they decide to.
There wasn’t anything defensive about it. She was the top choice of the Dem establishment until Tulsi destroyed her campaign, and was put in as a hedge for this very contingency.
I don't know. Whether intentional or not, enough people, including Democrats, have feared a President Harris enough to tolerate Joe's dementia, at least until this month.
Wall Street Journal:
Russia Seeks to Boost Trump in 2024 Election, U.S. Intelligence Officials Say
https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/russia-seeks-to-boost-trump-in-2024-election-u-s-intelligence-officials-say-312bb12a
Vlad and Donnie playing Kissy-Face Again!
Old Times!
Damn. This steaming pile of shit wasn't beat to death by some kid's parent. Yet.
FOAD, asshole.
Are these the same intelligence officials that swore the Steele Report was real, that the Hunter laptop was a Russian op, and that Julian Assange was on Russia's payroll?
That lie is done, Buttplug.
This goes beyond retard. But I am not sure what that is called.
Lies by a lame steaming pile of TDS-addled lefty shit.
Stupidity, the final fucktardery. These are the voyages of the stupid idiot Pluggo, whose multi-year mission has been to discover new depths to retardity, seek out new lies, and to boldly go where no retard has gone before.
That was good.
Is this the same IC that pushed Trump Russia and the laptop was Russian misinformation?
I get it.
Wall St Journal = LIBRUL FAKE NEWS
ZeroHeade = trusted news source
turd, the ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Is this the same IC rotating with dem friendly outlets? That openly bragged toWaPo and NYT about The Resistance? That openly admit they didn’t tell the commander in chief information? That helped Obama cover up gun running to Mexico? That filled boards and demanded corporations censor conservatives?
And by the way retard, it isnt WSJ saying these things, it is IC anonymous resources saying it. Youre a fucking idiot shrike.
Unfortunately, the WSJ news room has been shifting left and populist (and also Ladies Home Journal and Teen Journal).
WSJ has been GOPe and establishment for 2 decades.
No, the Editorial Page has been.
The Newsroom has been Center-Left, and is moving Left
It doesn’t even matter, because unlike what Buttplug is trying to infer, it’s NOT the Wall St. Journal saying this.
It’s the same bunch of shithead ex-bureaucrats who have continually been caught lying.
"...Youre a fucking idiot shrike."
Fucking idiots take offense at the comparison.
Fair. What about retards?
I don’t think those who take the short bus much care for the comparison with Plugtard either. They’re just mentally challenged, not fully fucktarded.
"Wall St Journal = LIBRUL FAKE NEWS"
The Wall St. Journal is just reporting what these frauds are claiming, they aren't saying it is true, you lying fuck.
"The officials didn’t mention Trump by name, but said that Russia’s current activity—described as covert social-media use and other online propaganda efforts—mirrored the 2020 and 2016 election cycles, when Moscow also favored Trump and sought to undermine Democratic candidates, according to U.S. intelligence agencies."
This is the exact same horseshit that they pulled in 2016 and again in 2020, and every single time it turned out to be a lie, and I know that you know that.
Russia isn't election tampering. THESE fuckheads are, and every time this happens and it turns out to be fake, the perpetrators should be arrested and jailed and the keys thrown away.
""according to U.S. intelligence agencies.”""
I have 51 reasons why I think they are full of shit.
1 from link: The officials didn’t mention Trump by name,
So the headline must be inaccurate.
2. Wonder if they will be as successful this time with their Jesus vs Satan arm wrestling ads that get a few dozen clicks at best.
LOL, oh noes, another fake "RUSSHA RUSSHA RUSSHA" story.
Cope and seethe with your Joepedo hero being hung out to dry by your Deep State buddies, you hicklib pederast.
You're as honest as you are intelligent.
The same ones who said the Hunter laptop was fake?
"Going to beat President Putin, President Zelenskyy. I am so focused on beating Putin."
"Trump, I mean Trump. so easy to get those Nazis mixed up."
'As for the rest of us who aren't paid Biden shills...'
How many people are not media pros, university employees, student loan holders, federal welfare recipients, union members, or fifty-centers?
Uh...I'm collecting Social Security.
Do you fear Trump will take that away?
No. I believe either candidate will continue to do nothing to reform Social Security, and will do nothing about the inflation that is debasing the payments.
Is Donald Trump all over Jeffrey Epstein documents released in Palm Beach Post suit?
....
Ted Lieu, a Democratic congressman from California, is scolding the media for not covering Donald Trump's connections to Jeffrey Epstein in the wake of the recent release of the 2006 secret grand jury documents that came as part of a lawsuit by The Palm Beach Post.
Palm Beach Post July 11, 2024
LIBRUL MEDIA HUNTER BIDEN DICK PICS BENGHAZI HERPTY DERP!
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
BTW, turd is stupid enough to imagine that any real link between Trump and Epstein wouldn't have been found in the 8 years of intense investigation into ANYTHING Trump has done since he was a teen-aged kid, for pete's sake.
Pretty sure the "links" will be that they both lived in NYC (AT THE SAME TIME!!!!!), and they occasionally FLEW ON EACH OTHER'S JETS!!!!!!.
Shrike isn't very intelligent. He also claims to not be a Democrat shill, yet he does this shit hourly.
He could just as easily be a Russian, Iranian, German, etc “intelligence” agent. He’s definitely not a libertarian, and I don’t think he’s likely even a democrat. He’s an agent of mis and disinformation. A derailer. As an added bonus, he confirms biases of democrats being evil retards, while constantly shitting up the comment section. Makes more racist comments than any of the benign or outright racists.
Note that he doesn’t even get along with the resident trolls and leftists.
Edit: I assume shrike is SPB. I've only been here since 2014, so idk.
Fuck off, Jeff.
LOL, as if they wouldn't have already released that by now.
Try again, you hicklib pederast.
If it were true, it would be front and center on every anti-Trump outlet.
"Ted Lieu"
LOL. What are you trying to pull, Buttplug? Lieu makes MTG look like a statesman.
There's nothing here except a Democratic Party congressmen trying to get his name in the papers so he doesn't lose his seat, and a fifty-center (who was so inept that Open Society fired him) trolling.
I don’t think Ted Lieu gets to talk shit about anybody.
""Is Donald Trump all over Jeffrey Epstein documents released in Palm Beach Post suit?"
Ha, I read that earlier and I guess you did not.
""Is the presumptive Republican nominee all over those documents as is being bandied about on X, formerly Twitter? No, that simply isn't true.
Another former president, however, is mentioned very briefly, and that's Bill Clinton, but it wasn't in connection with Epstein. A prosecutor asked one victim about a comment on her MySpace page saying people could become famous if they did what Monica Lewinsky did to Clinton."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-over-jeffrey-epstein-155209243.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmluZy5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANyKaUSFh49b0BzfUE5iOCBbG35S_LUpGUVInZlGW1CkAI5ViewHPo9uuXbObePFyEdp2IoTLR6SBDinqkB68bpmbGJ7pMKEM5IiaM2truSNqJK32kKMBB-cdUPLtyfN946HNrYEDnKZtejjxGZJkZ9q547r9JGKCB-QstKCOO2Z
I saw some Facebook posts that had this testimony from grand jury material claiming all these things Trump did. But it was fake. No such language was in the grand jury document at all. Go look for yourself. Find a copy of it and search the word Trump. The search return will be 0.
"White House screened Cabinet officials’ questions for Biden during rare meetings with prez: report"
[...]
"President Biden’s Cabinet members have been emphatic that the commander-in-chief is sharp and probative behind closed doors.
However, the 81-year-old chief executive’s interactions with key members of his administration are actually pre-scripted and carefully choreographed — with aides going over questions and discussion points with Cabinet secretaries ahead of time..."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/white-house-screened-cabinet-officials-questions-for-biden-during-rare-meetings-with-prez-report/ar-BB1pPbq5
I'm sure foreign leaders will be happy to submit questions in advance.
Do they each have note cards to tell them who to call on?
'The whole saga is noteworthy not because Affleck's opinions matter in any way whatsoever, but rather because it suggests just how deeply some COVID insanity has burrowed into teenagers' brains.'
Correction: liberal teenagers brains.
Enough data now demonstrate how much crazier kids in liberal families are, compared to conservative families, with higher rates of clinical depression and anxiety--and just plain emotional incapacity. Congratulations, Democrats. Now keep your hands off the rest of the kids.
The kids were raised by a couple of left-wing nutbags. Why is it a shock that one of them is a pooner and the other is a munchie hypochondriac?
Specifically, rich and connected children of rich and connected people that have never lived in the 'real world' a single day of their lives, nor is it likely they will ever live in the world the rest of us deal with on a daily basis.
Someone like that, especially at the age of 18, is honestly too stupid to let out in public. They will have the hottest takes, and they are totally unaware of it.
Especially with that "I demand" bullshit. Absolute nuclear-grade entitlement.
Just a normal day in Elite Utopia.
two weeks ago
At this point the collective history of the first half of the 21st century fit into “two weeks”.
Bush and Obama both served two terms in the 21st Century before the first 'two weeks'.
Since Biden didn't actually keel over during the presser, I guess we have to reluctantly and strategically vote for him (I mean for President Harris) in November?
""I demand mask availability, air filtration and far UV-C light in government facilities, including jails and detention centers, and mask mandates in county medical facilities,""
While there are ways which it can be used, UV-C light cannot be shined directly on the human occupants of a building as it is damaging to human tissues. When it is installed in HVAC equipment, automatic shut-off equipment must be provided to prevent exposure to maintenance workers. This is not an easy ask.
How dare you bring up logic, biology, physical challenges, and safety in rebuttal to The Science!
It is my curse as a building engineer who has specified such systems.
She is not an intelligent human being.
While there are ways to make demands and have your demands met, on behalf of others for business that you have fuck all to do with is not one of them. "Can we have masks, air filtration, and far UV-C lights because Violet Affleck says so?" is not an easy ask.
I respect Jennifer Garner less because of this. And that's not sexist, I would totally expect Ben Affleck to raise someone this retarded and juvenile. I just figured she would do better.
Was her judgement really that sound? She married the guy, after all.
It also uses electricity and produces carbon and somesuch. Does she hate the environment? Does she want Gretta to die?
I do.
I would think a warning sticker and an off switch would be enough safety.
Are you familiar with OSHA requirements?
VP rundown.
Little Marco's big glow-up.
Lil' Taco make Donnie look tall - VP stock up.
watch out for Hucky Boo-Boo lady Gov of Arkansas
(Buttplug long shot for bettors!)
Down-Low Bro still in the front yard!
turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Have you embraced Sarc's day drinking regimen?
Ha. You think he waits until sunrise?
The absolute flopsweat coming off this pedo is hilarious. He really can't grasp yet that his Bestest President Evar is being turned into tuna.
Old tuna left in the sun
“Lil’ Taco make Donnie look tall
Down-Low Bro still in the front yard!”
Imagine the shit Buttplug would say if the VP pick was Jewish. Bleach those robes and starch that cone, Pluggo.
I thought SPB just hated the blacks.
Fuck off, Jeff.
>One cannot help but wonder: If we had a media more interested in attempting to reveal the truth rather than aiding and abetting the man in power, how might things be different? How much sooner might we have learned about Biden's deteriorating condition? And how much harder would it have been for his inner circle to maintain and uphold the delusion that he's a suitable candidate for another four-year term as president?
Wolfe! - we have been telling you this for THREE FUCKING YEARS!
But you're going to blame the media for 'hiding it from you'? Or are you going with the 'Trump supporters said it so I was obliged to not believe it' that was also flown as an excuse for a while.
You saw the gaffes. You saw the clips passed around. You just refused to accept that because it came from people you consider icky.
Five
It takes time to go through all the goodest cheapfakes in order to determine whether Brandon is brain dead or it’s all just a vast right wing conspiracy.
You didn’t want the media to jump to any hasty conclusions, did you?
I'm not understanding this thing where people say the media, or the WH staff, fooled them or misled them about the mental decline. Even Liz Wolfe, who I respect.
Is there a single commenter here who was actually fooled?
Is there a single commenter here who believes anybody else was actually fooled (other than the kind of person who can't name their own state capital or tell you what month we hold elections)?
I can understand a Democrat saying they were "betrayed", in the sense of being asked to maintain the narrative when it had become outright humiliating to keep narrating. But surely they always knew it was a narrative.
There were plenty. You can go all the way back to 2019 and see who defended against the claims all the way until the debate. You can see who is having meltdowns post debate.
You and your too-online ilk are the ones having the meltdowns. Almost as if you are surreptitiously spending 24/7 watching MSNBC in order to believe it and decry it and believe it and decry it.
It reminds me of 2008. Where Ron Paul supporters spammed every possible online poll. And then got hissy when the polls turned out to be wrong because they were spammed.
You and your too-online ilk are the ones having the meltdowns.
Trying this "I know you are but what am I" stupidity doesn't change the fact that the left is in panic mode.
Pretty hilarious to call out people for being 'too online' on an online magazine you also visit daily, but you do you.
Self awareness is not one of your strong suits.
Projects while having a meltdown. Lol.
Well sure, they were defending, and they are having meltdowns.
But that is totally different than believing. I assumed they were just bullshitting all along, and the meltdown is anger that the consensus on the bullshit is failing. It’s like when one defendant in a joint trial decides to take a guilty plea and leaves all the others in a bad position.
Or (no offense intended here) it’s like when some people deny that Trump lies quite a bit. No one really believes that literally, but it’s a talking point. We all understand that.
You sweet summer child. We have a handful of abject idiots here that were in fooled.
Next he will be shocked people here defend government induced corporate censorship or covid authoritarianism or lawfare or child rape.
Jeff, JFree and Shrike were never fooled, they were just lying.
To be somewhat fair, I think JFree was in fact fooled. They are a true believer in the cause, and anything that fits their preconceptions must be true.
Jeff and Shrike are just provocateurs for whom any attention is positive attention. They'd argue the moon is made of cheese if it got some attention. If people simply blocked them and stopped responding they'd probably disappear in a week.
He’s definitely dumb enough to play the surprised card with a straight face.
Not the politest way to say it, but yeah, that’s what I mean.
I would call it bullshitting or gaslighting, which is slightly different than plain old lying. It’s denying the obvious for purposes other than deception, for example: delay the discussion from moving on to the next logical step, or create a distraction for the opponent, or boost morale for your own side. The rhetorical analog of taking unaimed rifle shots at the other trench.
He was so fucked in the debate that there was plenty of plain old lying. The sharp as a tack and best he's ever been weren't exaggerations or distractions, they were flat out lies.
We were talking about the people denying Biden's disability, not Biden himself.
But since you brought him up. I've dealt with elderly family members at the same stage, and also with younger people suffering from an SMI. Sometimes, sadly, they really do believe they're sharp as a tack and the best they've ever been.
Since Biden's been a liar his whole life one can't tell.
Agree
Speaking of...
It depends on what you mean by "mental decline".
I'm pretty sure no honest person would disagree that Biden wasn't nearly as sharp in 2019/2020 than he was even as VP. But, JUST LIKE the usual crowd around here that continually gives Trump the benefit of the doubt on every thing that he does, there are those on the other team that will continually give Biden the benefit of the doubt no matter what he does. So this crowd would tend to day "sure, he's not as sharp, but it's just because he's a little old, that's to be expected". While on the other hand you have the dishonest trolls around here who claim that Biden had full-blown dementia all the way back in 2019, that it was obvious to everyone that this was the ONLY possible explanation, and if you disagree you are a lying liar.
I think the truth is somewhere in the middle: that he had some issues with mental decline, it's not really clear how much of it was just "senior moments" compared to some type of clinical dementia, and it's only gotten worse.
Really the problem is that we have a gerontocracy with very little in the way of robust competition or choice in the electoral process.
"It depends on what you mean by X"
You really need to pick a new opener when you want to prevaricate, Lying Jeffy. You show your hand every time you start out like this.
But anyway, it's fascinating to watch you attempt to "Both Sides!" Biden's senility.
Yes we know, it is much easier to make snap judgments and to repeat narratives that your fifty-cent handlers feed you. You should know, it's what you do on a daily basis.
Heh, are you trying to insinuate I'm one of you, Lying Jeffy?
Fuck Trump, fuck Pollivere, fuck McConnell, fuck Cruz, Fuck MTG...
Now let's see you do that with the Democratic Party bosses.
Fuck them all. Fuck Team Red and Fuck Team Blue. I am completely done with the duopoly.
But in rejecting the duopoly, I did not reject critical thinking or facts or reason. That was the McArdle/Mises team, which demands the "moral courage" to "reject mainstream narratives", which means to be a reactionary crank.
And I'll believe you really mean "Fuck Trump" when you can admit to even just one lie that Trump told during the debate.
No, no, no, no, no, no, fifty center.
"Fuck them all. Fuck Team Red and Fuck Team Blue. I am completely done with the duopoly"
This isn't doing what I did, but with the Democratic Party bosses. Come on, you can do it. Go ask your manager if you can blaspheme to prove that you're not a paid shill.
And I’ll believe you really mean “Fuck Trump” when you can admit to even just one lie that Trump told during the debate.
And I'll believe that Trump lied when you can provide an example of an actual falsehood he told, and not trying to cram prognostications, opinions you disagree with and figures of speech and colloquialisms into the definition.
Go ask your boss if they have a better example, monster.
That is easy. Fuck Pelosi, Fuck Schumer, Fuck Biden, Fuck Harris, Fuck McConnell, Fuck Jeffries, Fuck the GOP Speaker-of-the-Week (whoever he is), Fuck Trump, Fuck Them All. I am DONE with the duopoly. See that isn't hard.
However, I don't reject facts or reason or logic, I don't reject critical thinking skills, and just because I reject both teams doesn't mean I automatically think they are evil Nazis. They're not. They are definitely authoritarian menaces to a free society, but not evil and not Nazis.
You still failed to say Fuck Biden (and other Dems) without making it a both sides. You see that ML didn't include any Dems in the post above. Why is it so hard for you to condemn Biden in a single post without needing to include Trump and other Republicans. This is why people say you're a Dem. You can only seem to condemn and criticize Dems if you couch it in an equal (or greater) condemnation of Republicans at the same time.
Wait, if I say Fuck Both Sides, that proves I'm a Dem? WTF?
ML only says Fuck Team Blue because he very clearly is on Team Red.
"That is easy. Fuck Pelosi, Fuck Schumer, Fuck Biden, Fuck Harris"
Are you sure? To take the words of a certain rape apologist "I’ll believe you really mean “Fuck Pelosi” when you can offer us just one lie that Trump told during the debate".
d'oh!
prognostications, opinions you disagree with and figures of speech and colloquialisms
aaand there we have it, the rationalization: Trump didn't lie, because ML will cleverly redefine all of his lies as "figures of speech" and "colloquialisms".
This is no different than Biden cultists redefining all of Biden's lies as "senior moments".
This is why you are not serious with "Fuck Trump": you continually and perpetually give him the benefit of the doubt and treat him sympathetically as the aggrieved victim in most if not all ways.
Trump has had the entire media and government attacking him for years.
What "benefit of the doubt" is given to him?
Trump didn’t lie, because ML will cleverly redefine all of his lies as “figures of speech” and “colloquialisms”.
Let's go with these definitions from Wikipedia, Lying Jeffy:
A lie is an assertion that is believed to be false, typically used with the purpose of deceiving or misleading someone. Lies can be interpreted as deliberately false statements or misleading statements, though not all statements that are literally false are considered lies – metaphors, hyperboles, and other figurative rhetoric are not intended to mislead, while lies are explicitly meant for literal interpretation by their audience.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie
A figure of speech or rhetorical figure is a word or phrase that intentionally deviates from ordinary language use to produce a rhetorical effect.[1] Figures of speech are traditionally classified into schemes, which vary the ordinary sequence of words, and tropes, where words carry a meaning other than what they ordinarily signify.
Colloquialism (also called colloquial language, everyday language, or general parlance) is the linguistic style used for casual (informal) communication. It is the most common functional style of speech, the idiom normally employed in conversation and other informal contexts.[1] Colloquialism is characterized by wide usage of interjections and other expressive devices; it makes use of non-specialist terminology, and has a rapidly changing lexicon. It can also be distinguished by its usage of formulations with incomplete logical and syntactic ordering.
A prediction (Latin præ-, "before," and dictum, "something said"[1]) or forecast is a statement about a future event or about future data. Predictions are often, but not always, based upon experience or knowledge of forecasters. There is no universal agreement about the exact difference between "prediction" and "estimation"; different authors and disciplines ascribe different connotations.
Future events are necessarily uncertain, so guaranteed accurate information about the future is impossible.
Now that we've laid the ground rules, Lying Jeffy, tell us all about how Trump lied during the debate.
Give us your example.
Well, here we go. You're just going to declare by fiat every questionable statement that Trump made is either a "colloquialism" or a "figure of speech", and not a lie. How do we know for sure? In order to be absolutely certain, we'd have to read Trump's mind to try to divine his intent. Right? And since we can't do that, voila, Trump never lies about anything! They are ALL "figures of speech" or "colloquialisms"!
But this gets back to the standard that you all hold Trump to. You all hold him to an incredibly loose standard - basically, no standard at all, while you would never hold anyone else, not even other Republicans to the same standard.
If Biden said "the border is the safest place in the world", would you call that a "figure of speech" or a "colloquialism"? No, you'd call it a lie, BECAUSE IT IS A LIE. But when Trump says the border is the most dangerous place in the world, then it is a "colloquialism", right?
If Biden said "everybody, without exception, supported Roe v. Wade", would you call that a "figure of speech" or a "colloquialism"? No, you'd call it a lie, BECAUSE IT IS A LIE. But when Trump says everybody, without exception, opposed Roe, suddenly that becomes a "colloquialism".
You hold Trump to virtually no standard whatsoever, you bend over backwards and play all sorts of games in order to give him the benefit of the doubt, so when you say "Fuck Trump" you don't mean it. This could not be clearer.
"Well, here we go. You’re just going to declare by fiat every questionable statement"
We're not talking about "questionable statements", you disingenuous weasel. We're talking about actual lies. Don't try and move to goalposts.
" You’re just going to declare by fiat every questionable statement that Trump made is either a “colloquialism” or a “figure of speech”, and not a lie."
I didn't "declare by fiat". I gave the dictionary definitions, straight from Wikipedia. You know that YOUR lying, and so you're trying to pretend these words were undefined before I came along and invented them. This is why you're a piece of shit.
"But this gets back to the standard that you all hold Trump to. You all hold him to an incredibly loose standard – basically, no standard at all, while you would never hold anyone else, not even other Republicans to the same standard."
Who the fuck cares, Lying Jeffy. The issue right now is you lying about what the words mean, and your allegation that Trump lied that you haven't proved. Stop trying to redirect, you fucking garbage.
"the border is the safest place in the world” If Biden said “everybody, without exception, supported Roe v. Wade” No, you’d call it a lie, BECAUSE IT IS A LIE."
Not one of those things Trump said were lies, you purposefully deceitful fuck. And I've posted the proof below.
The only liar is you.
Who the fuck cares
It matters, because if you are going to let Trump off the hook for a lie that you choose to reclassify as "hyperbole" or "colloquialism" or "figure of speech", but you would not let Biden off the hook for the same type of lie, then it just shows you are not sincere.
Repeat after me: Trump saying the border is "the most dangerous place in the world" is just as much of a lie as if Biden had said the border is "the safest place in the world".
Edit: a *substantive* lie that Trump told during the debate.
I have to add that caveat because if I don't you will try to weasel out of it by claiming some insignificant lie that he told about his golf game or something.
Give us an example, fifty center.
https://reason.com/2024/07/11/the-libertarian-party-vs-chase-oliver/?comments=true#comment-10636894
you never responded the last time I asked, why should I think you will respond now?
Trump didn't lie about tariffs. YOU lied about the nature of tariffs.
Chinese companies who want to import will have to pay the duties charged.
A tariff is a tax imposed by the government of a country or by a supranational union on imports or exports of goods. Besides being a source of revenue for the government, import duties can also be a form of regulation of foreign trade and policy that taxes foreign products to encourage or safeguard domestic industry.
I know you're retarded, but I don't think you're this retarded. Hence you are probably doing your most favoritist thing. Lying.
Trump lied when he claimed the border was “the most dangerous place in the world”.
All right, Lying Jeffy. I'll pretend that hyperbole counts, just this once.
The Most Dangerous Cities In The World
1 Colima, Mexico
2 Ciudad Obregón, Mexico
4 Zamora, Mexico
5 Manzanillo, Mexico
6 Tijuana, Mexico
7 Zacatecas, Mexico
10 Ciudad Juarez, Mexico
Jeepers, Lying Jeffy. Seven of the top ten. Going by the homicide rate you're safer on the Ukrainian front lines.
"Trump lied when he claimed “everybody, without exception. Democrats, Republicans, liberals, conservatives"
That's 100% true. People from every political persuasion thought it was flawed. Justice Ginsburg laid out the Democrat/Liberal argument, which you can read in the link that I will append to this comment.
But I get what you're trying to do.
As always your trying to portray hyperbole as lies and you're trying to pretend that because every single person in the world didn't think Roe vs Wade was a mess, means Trump was lying.
Here's the definition of hyperbole from Wikipedia:
"Hyperbole (/haɪˈpɜːrbəli/ ⓘ; adj. hyperbolic /ˌhaɪpərˈbɒlɪk/ ⓘ) is the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech. In rhetoric, it is also sometimes known as auxesis (literally 'growth'). In poetry and oratory, it emphasizes, evokes strong feelings, and creates strong impressions. As a figure of speech, it is usually not meant to be taken literally.[1][2]
This is what happens when you steal your "factchecks" from CNN and MSDNC, you fucking retard.
Now give us an actual lie as defined by the description I gave from Wikipedia earlier.
Why Ruth Bader Ginsburg Wasn’t All That Fond of Roe v. Wade
See, you are up to your usual tricks. Using sleight of hand and outright deception to try to pull a fast one on everyone.
Trump didn’t lie about tariffs. YOU lied about the nature of tariffs.
Chinese companies who want to import will have to pay the duties charged.
A tariff is not the same as a customs duty. Did you think I would not notice this sleight of hand?
You keep trying to weasel your way out of this. First you tried to claim "a prediction cannot be a lie", which is misleading once I explained the nature of Trump's lie. Then you tried to claim "it can't be a lie when we don't know if the tariffs are going to work or not", which is misleading because that isn't the claim - the claim isn't that the tariffs aren't going to fulfill their intended purpose, but that the tariffs don't function in the manner that Trump claimed they did. And now you try to claim that a tariff is the same as a customs duty, which is not true.
You know Trump is lying here, otherwise you wouldn't be playing these games. This is your way to try to weasel and lawyer your way out of it.
1 Colima, Mexico
Colima, Mexico is NOT ON THE BORDER. It is in southwest Mexico.
Trump didn't say that the border is "a very dangerous place" (which is true), he said it was "the most dangerous place in the world." By your own source, Trump is lying.
That’s 100% true. People from every political persuasion thought it was flawed.
Yes, people from every political persuasion had disagreements with Roe v. Wade. But again THAT WASN'T TRUMP'S CLAIM. He claimed that “everybody, without exception. Democrats, Republicans, liberals, conservatives” opposed Roe v. Wade and wanted the issue of abortion returned to the states. That is just flatly untrue. Proof: The three SCOTUS judges who voted to keep Roe. There, QED. Not "everybody, without exception" opposed Roe.
Part 1.
See, you are up to your usual tricks. Using sleight of hand and outright deception to try to pull a fast one on everyone.
I GAVE YOU THE DICTIONARY DEFINITION OF TARIFFS COMPLETE WITH LINKS, YOU DECEITFUL FUCK. YOU'RE THE ONE LYING ABOUT THE DEFINITION.
Black and white, right there: "being a source of revenue for the government".
Don't want Wikipedia's definition? How about Investopedia?
"Governments impose tariffs to raise revenue, protect domestic industries, or exert political leverage over another country."
Lying Jeffy: "A tariff is not the same as a customs duty."
YOU'RE RIGHT. It isn't.
But that still doesn't mean your not lying about what tariffs and now customs duties are.
Tariff A tariff is a tax imposed by the government on a particular class of imports or exports. It is a direct tax paid on a specific product or group of products. Tariffs are usually imposed to regulate trade, protect domestic industries, or generate revenue.
Customs Duty A customs duty, also known as an import duty, is a fee charged on almost every cross-border shipment of products. It is an indirect tax imposed by the government on the consumer.
"Colima, Mexico is NOT ON THE BORDER. It is in southwest Mexico."
So? It's the border to Mexico. Trump wasn't talking about the Canada/US border you deceitful shit.
"Trump didn’t say that the border is “a very dangerous place” (which is true), he said it was “the most dangerous place in the world.”
So let’s see what the UN says is the most dangerous border in the world, Lying Jeffy:
US-Mexico border, ‘world’s deadliest’ overland migration route: IOM
Ooops. They agree with Trump, you pettifogging douche.
"Yes, people from every political persuasion had disagreements with Roe v. Wade. But again THAT WASN’T TRUMP’S CLAIM. He claimed that “everybody, without exception. "
Yes, and some child in Panama, some baker in Vienna, some concrete worker in Kyoto, didn't give a shit, so Trump's hyperbole was a lie. Fucking retard.
By conditioning with "Democrats, Republicans, liberals, conservatives" he made it crystal clear that he was talking about political persuasions.
And he was right.
The deceit going on here is you trying to pretend that he was referencing humanity as a whole.
I GAVE YOU THE DICTIONARY DEFINITION OF TARIFFS
No one disagrees that tariffs raise revenue for the government. That is completely irrelevant.
And no one disagrees that customs duties raise revenue for the government too. That is completely irrelevant and a total distraction since Trump wasn't talking about customs duties.
So? It’s the border to Mexico.
Colima, Mexico is nowhere near the US-Mexico border. It is in southwest Mexico, about 700 miles away from Brownsville, Texas. Who are you trying to fool here? Do you think I don't know how to use Google Maps?
so Trump’s hyperbole was a lie.
Oh, so now Trump's lie is mere hyperbole. Is he responsible for the words he chooses to use, or not?
And just to be absolutely clear, because otherwise ML will try to weasel his way out of it:
#1 is a lie because he is trying to deceive the public about how tariffs work to make it seem like they will not bear the cost of his tariff policies. "Oh he just honestly doesn't know how tariffs work" doesn't cut it, he's not a freshman econ major.
#2 is a lie because he is trying to deceive the public into believing that the border is more dangerous than it really is.
#3 is a very obvious lie, he is trying to deceive the public into believing that Roe v. Wade was less popular than it really was.
Let me give it a shot, Jeff. Starting with one of the issues that most Trump critics have is starting with a premise of everything he says should be taken literally and is always said with intentional malice. A good example of this is Trump’s statement that he ‘would be a dictator for one day,’ said tongue-in-cheek, and is still alive as “Trump says he will be a dictator from day one’, in the echo chamber.
It’s Pelosi’s tactic too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-V_3iF23mo
But on to your accusations;
#1 is a lie because he is trying to deceive the public about how tariffs work to make it seem like they will not bear the cost of his tariff policies. “Oh he just honestly doesn’t know how tariffs work” doesn’t cut it, he’s not a freshman econ major.
He’s a businessman, so I’m sure he understands how tariffs work. It is similar to the argument that Mexico pays for the wall. Did Mexico literally pay for the wall? No. Did Mexico have to absorb a significant cost increase when the Trump policy forced them to keep and house the asylum seekers in Mexico instead of letting them into the US? Absolutely.
Will China literally pay the costs of tariffs? No. Will China have to adjust the pricing of their goods to stay competitive in the US market or choose not to sell their products in one of the world’s biggest markets because of Tariffs? Yes. Will consumers also adjust their spending accordingly if the market changes? Very likely. It’s not a lie, it’s an economic scenario. In the same way consumers adjust their spending on everyday items because of inflation, despite the ‘booming’ economy and ‘record job growth.’
#2 is a lie because he is trying to deceive the public into believing that the border is more dangerous than it really is.
Is it really deceptive? Or is it hyperbole? What if we said Trump is saying the border is the most dangerous place is the same as Biden saying it is secure as it’s ever been. Two politicians highlighting a troubled policy. Neither telling the truth about it but do you really think they believe what they are saying? I know that is a boaf sides answer. It also gives little credit to the public for being able to think on their own. Maybe that is the intention, to get the public to look deeper at the issue, instead of strictly deceit and malice.
#3 is a very obvious lie, he is trying to deceive the public into believing that Roe v. Wade was less popular than it really was.
Roe vs. Wade was not a good legal decision. You could make a case that ‘everybody’ involved in the decision, including the notorious RBG, knew it was flawed policy. ‘Everybody’ in that case did not agree it should be returned to the states, but the eventual court did have enough judges who ruled in favor of returning it to the states. Again, are we to believe Trump thinks he can fool literally ‘everybody’ into seeing only his side of the abortion argument? Or is he using a similar tactic to the opposition, who claims ‘Trump wants to make abortion illegal for the entire country on a Federal level!’ If you take away intent to deceive it could be argued that Trump was only reminding his base what he accomplished by his appointments.
Lastly, it is comical how Trump is held to this super high standard for truth when the rest of these clowns lie, gaslight, steal, smear and rage on with catastrophic hyperbole daily. Dr. Jill rails about the ‘integrity’ of her husband. What a joke.
Regarding 1... it is only a tax if there are no other sellers from countries not effected by the tariffs. Jeff doesn't understand supply shift though.
And it was hilarious thebother day when I showed him the taxes from shoplifting was double the costs of tariffs, yet he supports those non arrest policies.
starting with a premise of everything he says should be taken literally and is always said with intentional malice.
I cannot speak for others, only for myself: I think Trump, like every other human being, should be held responsible for the actual words he chooses to use. For example, when Trump compared his political opponents to "vermin", that was a choice he made. He didn't have to use the word "vermin" but he did and he ought to be held responsible for his choice. Do you agree?
As to whether he speaks with "intentional malice", I think that depends on the context.
Will China literally pay the costs of tariffs? No. Will China have to adjust the pricing of their goods to stay competitive in the US market or choose not to sell their products in one of the world’s biggest markets because of Tariffs? Yes. Will consumers also adjust their spending accordingly if the market changes? Very likely. It’s not a lie, it’s an economic scenario.
If he would have said that, then I wouldn't claim that it was a lie. But he didn't say that. He said that "it’s going to just force them to pay us a lot of money". If tariffs on Chinese goods result in American consumers shifting consumption to products made elsewhere, it doesn't mean China "pay[s] us a lot of money".
And if you read the whole paragraph:
it seems pretty clear in context that he is claiming that the tariffs will result in China transferring more money to the US treasury ("reduce our deficit"), not this economic scenario that you laid out. Because if consumers shifted consumption elsewhere as a result of the tariffs, it would NOT result in more tariff money going to the US treasury. And in no case would the tariff money be coming *from China*.
Is it really deceptive? Or is it hyperbole?
Both are false statements.
What if we said Trump is saying the border is the most dangerous place is the same as Biden saying it is secure as it’s ever been.
If Biden said that, it would also be a lie.
do you really think they believe what they are saying?
I don't know - if I had to guess, probably not. Which makes it even more of a lie.
Again, are we to believe Trump thinks he can fool literally ‘everybody’ into seeing only his side of the abortion argument?
I'm not claiming that he is trying to persuade everyone to become pro-life. I'm claiming that he is trying to persuade the public, deceptively, that Roe v. Wade was less popular than it really was.
Trump is held to this super high standard for truth
It's not a "super high standard for truth". It's an ORDINARY standard that is applied to every other politician. For every other politician, when they say stupid shit, that is called a 'gaffe' and can very often ruin their career. But when Trump does it, we are supposed to make excuses for him and continually lower the bar until everything he says is just excused.
rest of these clowns lie, gaslight, steal, smear and rage on with catastrophic hyperbole daily.
Yes they do. And guess what, Trump is also one of those clowns.
Regarding 2, most Democrats also rant about how dangerous the border is, and how that justifies making illegal crossing easier and "safer". And any contested border, with desperate people, is more dangerous than interior zones.
And any contested border, with desperate people, is more dangerous than interior zones.
In general, I agree! And if Trump had said "the border is more dangerous now than when I left office", he would be on much firmer ground. But he didn't. He said that it was "the most dangerous place in the world". And he ought to be held responsible for the words he actually used, not the words that we think he should have used.
I betting Jeff isn’t willing to go camping near the border.
""I cannot speak for others, only for myself: I think Trump, like every other human being, should be held responsible for the actual words he chooses to use. For example, when Trump compared his political opponents to “vermin”, that was a choice he made. He didn’t have to use the word “vermin” but he did and he ought to be held responsible for his choice. Do you agree?""
Having watched politics for a few decades, I don't understand this complaint.
Comparing politicians to vermin is more accurate than comparing Trump to Hitler.
Comparing politicians to vermin
He didn’t stop at politicians. It was a whole lot of people on the political left, including ordinary citizens not politicians. Here is the quote:
At a campaign event Saturday in New Hampshire, Mr. Trump vowed to “root out the communists, Marxists, fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country.”
https://archive.is/xIQ12
And if you watch the video of this speech, he is reading this from the teleprompter. This is not Trump speaking extemporaneously. Those are his prepared remarks. It was a deliberate choice of his to say this.
#1 is a lie because he is trying to deceive the public about how tariffs work to make it seem like they will not bear the cost of his tariff policies. “Oh he just honestly doesn’t know how tariffs work” doesn’t cut it, he’s not a freshman econ major.
Trump was right and YOU lied.
A tariff is a tax imposed by the government of a country or by a supranational union on imports or exports of goods. Besides being a source of revenue for the government, import duties can also be a form of regulation of foreign trade and policy that taxes foreign products to encourage or safeguard domestic industry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariff
#2 is a lie because he is trying to deceive the public into believing that the border is more dangerous than it really is.
Another Lying Jeffy lie. Let’s see what the UN says:
US-Mexico border, ‘world’s deadliest’ overland migration route: IOM
“The United States-Mexico border is the world’s deadliest land route for migrants, with at least 686 deaths and disappearances last year, the UN migration agency (IOM) said on Tuesday. Nearly half of the deaths on the border were linked to the hazardous crossing of the Sonoran and Chihuahuan Deserts.”
#3 is a very obvious lie, he is trying to deceive the public into believing that Roe v. Wade was less popular than it really was.
Here Lying Jeffy lies again.
Wikipedia has a whole section on abortion supporters who thought Roe was a bad deal:
Opposition to Roe but support for abortion rights
Besides being a source of revenue for the government
Once again: nobody disputes that tariffs are a tax that is paid to the government. The question is WHO PAYS THE TARIFF. Trump claimed that China pays the tariff. They don't. Americans pay the tariff. Trump lied about how tariffs work.
“The United States-Mexico border is the world’s deadliest land route for migrants,
Well, this source contradicts your other source above. At best, there is some disagreement here, depending on how one defines "dangerous". However, this UN source isn't really responsive to Trump's claim, because if you look at his claim in context:
it is clear here that when Trump is referring to the border as "dangerous" he is referring to the danger to Americans in terms of crime. However, your UN source is referring to the danger to the migrants as they travel through the perilous Southwestern desert.
This is again another sleight of hand, trying to play games in order to avoid having to admit that yes, Trump lied here.
I've already discussed why you are wrong about #3.
"WHO PAYS THE TARIFF"
THE FUCKING IMPORTERS DO.
https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/USA/Year/LTST/TradeFlow/Import/Partner/by-country/Product/Total
Does it get passed on to the American consumer? Ultimately yes, which is why I'm against tariffs.
Do American companies pay import duties when they import items that have tariffs put on? Again yes.
But you're claiming that foreign companies don't import into the US themselves which is an absolute lie.
Foreign companies partner with a US-based distributors to import and distribute their goods in the US or use Customs Brokers all the fucking time.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection has a whole guide for it.
So when will you admit you were lying about the nature of tariffs, Lying Jeffy?
THE FUCKING IMPORTERS DO.
OMG WE AGREE! That’s correct!
import duties
Once again: a customs duty is not the same as a tariff.
But you’re claiming that foreign companies don’t import into the US themselves
No, I am not. This is you lying again. It’s the fourth time that you’ve tried to alter the argument that I am making.
What I am arguing, is that the entity that does NOT pay the tariff, is the EXPORTER, China, regardless of which entity is the importer.
Trump claimed that the exporter, China, DOES pay the tariff.
That is the lie.
Will you just give it up already. You are just wrong, Trump lied about this.
Oh and I love how you throw this 200-page technical document at me, expecting me to wade through it and do your job for you and find where it says Trump is supposedly correct. No, that is your fucking job.
"snap judgments"
...years and years of repeated evidence of these problems is a "snap judgment"?
And incidentally, I'll note that nearly every time I make a comment that has some good argument that you can't refute, you barge in and make some insulting, name-calling comment to derail the conversation and deflect away from the point that I was trying to make. That is how you serve your fifty-centing paymasters, by making sure that the conversation stays on message. Can't possibly have an argument that makes a good point that doesn't automatically praise Team Red and condemn Team Blue. Everything must be about promoting Team Red narratives and undermining Team Blue at every step, even if it means sacrificing facts and reason and logic along the way.
You are doing in this post exactly what you are accusing me of, monster. Did you just develop Sarcasmic-tier self awareness?
there we go, the dehumanization begins when you get angrier and angrier that you are losing the argument.
next up: I'm a Nazi monster, or a monster Nazi, or something
I have to admit, accusing you of sarc-tier anything, is indeed dehumanizing.
next up: I’m a Nazi monster, or a monster Nazi, or something
Well, yes.
You endorse Nazi policies, support maiming and poisoning minors, and minimize jerking off on kids.
^
Here is one of them. Notice the subtle narrative shift from a week ago when it was proclaimed that nobody saw this in 2019. Especially the media.
This is how liberal cowards speak after the talking points have gone out.
See, you illustrate the problem here.
Understandably, your team, being partisans for Team Red, will insist that Biden had dementia since 2019, that it was PLAINLY obvious to EVERYONE that Biden wasn’t just having “senior moments” but had full-blown dementia, and that anyone who claims NOW that they didn’t is a liar, or anyone who now changes their mind now is being dishonest and a liar.
You cannot accept that the claim that Biden had full-blown dementia back in 2019 that was SO OBVIOUS to EVERYONE, is a politically motivated narrative crafted by Team Red, and not an objective fact, and so you demand complete submission to your narrative AS fact.
"See, you illustrate the problem here."
Everyone else here is the problem, never the paid DNC shill.
If you are legitimately caught by surprise how bad Biden is --- then you are too stupid to criticize anybody on Earth.
We’ve seen your twitter weasel. Not fooling anyone.
Commenters here want to create post-facto narratives. And its really odd that anyone is talking about 2019 as if that is significant. The election was 2020. That's when people were paying attention. That's the timeframe when some media conspiracy to disguise Bidens infirmity would have been useful. That is the timeframe when anyone honest could link to some leftwing media source - eg a Sept2020 election story from a retirement village in Florida about Biden and Trump - with links to polls so that anyone who wants to drill down and know what everyone in the US knew back then can do so. But no. It's far better to simply conspiracy conspiracy conspiracy.
Yeah that is true, and the most disturbing part is that it reveals the modern right's hostility to pluralism generally. I get the distinct sense that they really don't want to be near people who disagree with them even if the disagreement has no impact on them. The more militant among them demand total submission. Like how the Mises crowd treats Chase Oliver - it doesn't matter that they agree on 90+% of policy, they refuse to support Chase Oliver because he doesn't completely submit to the Mises worldview/narrative.
"Yeah that is true, and the most disturbing part is that it reveals the modern right’s hostility to pluralism generally."
Examples?
And how does it compare to the modern Left?
"Like how the Mises crowd treats Chase Oliver – it doesn’t matter that they agree on 90+% of policy, they refuse to support Chase Oliver because he doesn’t completely submit to the Mises worldview/narrative."
How DARE they disagree with a candidate for President? And, gee, the Mises group has not been attacked by Libertarians for years. They control the party in SPITE of long-term libertarians, not because of.
The modern right is not hostile to any policy. Or for that matter supportive of any policy. It is entirely about owning the libs. Raging trolling. Pretending to dominate. Desperate to belong. Trump knows this 100%. His first insight about his own followers was - I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK? It's incredible. Yes. And it's true.
...the Left is backing a VEGETABLE.
Do not make comments on anybody else being blindly supportive of somebody.
Conservatives have learned that there is no such thing as actual free trade unless tariffs are globally zero.
And its really odd that anyone is talking about 2019 as if that is significant. The election was 2020.
People were declaring in 2019. Including Joepedo. The first debate took place in July of that year.
But let’s not act like even the left didn’t know that Biden didn’t have all his marbles even then. Here’s Julian Castro himself during the September 2019 debate:
“They would not have to buy in, they do not have to buy in…”
“You just said two minutes ago that they would have to buy in. Are you forgetting what you said just two minutes ago?”
This wasn’t 2024 when he’s even worse than he was then. This was 2019, when it was plainly fucking obvious that he was nowhere near as lucid as he was just 3 years earlier. So this misdirection about "the election was 2020 not 2019 HERPITY DERPITY DOO!!" doesn't apply here. And acting like people weren't calling this shit out then, NOT JUST ON THE RIGHT, has shit-all to do with "hostility to pluralism" or whatever unity-criticism-unity bullshit you and chemtard are pulling here. It's about the left going into turtle mode and acting like it didn't even exist once Clyburn did the de facto announcement on the DNC's decision that Biden would be the nominee--the same fucking act they pulled up through the debate.
blablabla. Obviously you are enraged about something that happened in 2019. But you won't link to what enraged you. But its major isn't it. Hope you get better.
More deflection from Jfart.
But you won’t link to what enraged you.
You're projecting. Pointing out that Biden was showing signs of senility in 2019 was basic observation, and was so obvious even Democrats recognized it. Or, you could simply put "Julian Castro Joe Biden" in the search bar on YouTube. Three of the first four links have the exchange and are mainstream sources, including one from The View (lol).
Cope and seethe more Jslave.
Lol. Covids pro censorship covid chicken little weighs in. Careful JFree. Jeff is fucking huge. May throw out your back carrying his shit.
The only thing that was a surprise to anyone - that showed up starkly during the debate - was what is Biden like outside his 'good hours'. There is clearly a lot of gaslighting from the White House and incompetent (prob partisan or NYT/backlink obeisance) journalisming re that. All media knew he had limited hours (10 - 4) and none of them asked questions about why. Course everyone else knew Biden had limited hours - and only those who've dealt with the elderly understand what that means.
Problem is the clowns here are not holding the media accountable for their incompetence. That incompetence and pussyfooting around with power is decades old. They are instead yapping partisan. Being useful idiots. Because commenters here have zero interest in anything other than owning the libs. No principles whatsoever and certainly no notion of holding govt accountable.
Course everyone else knew Biden had limited hours – and only those who’ve dealt with the elderly understand what that means.
But that's exactly my point, JFree. You, me, and the random guy you pull off the sidewalk have all "dealt with the elderly". Hell, many are getting elderly themselves. Most everyone understands that you reach a point where you have to slow down.
This isn't about some technical diagnosis of exactly what latinate medical term you're going to use to describe it. It's an old person in decline and even an uncontacted tribe in the remote Amazon that's never seen a doctor, a TV, or a printed page knows about old people in decline.
Yes - but they do decline at different speeds. And even if they all decline at the same speed, Biden is Prez and the media has completely failed at doing its job of
attending the White House Correspondent's Dinnerbeing a watchdog re government.Don’t know about you, but there were enough public appearances that I didn’t need a lot more from media than showing some unedited clips. No color commentary was necessary. If a person was even a little bit diverse in what news sources they looked at, there were plenty of chances to see such clips.
I don't watch TV but obviously enough people were surprised by the debate appearance for his support to drop. I suspect some of the media reaction is also legitimate WTF not just cynical playacting.
How would it be genuine surprise? These people are nothing if not devotees to the Narrative. It's why they all spout the same lines and use the same bullshit plagiarism from Twitter reposts.
They're acting "shocked" because they're being told to "act shocked." Nothing more.
Of course that's it. Everyone is out to get you and your ilk. Always ascribe to malice - and preferably conspiracy - what can also be explained by incompetence.
Of course that’s it. Everyone is out to get you and your ilk. Always ascribe to malice – and preferably conspiracy – what can also be explained by incompetence.
Or, they just blatantly admit it:
That’s why the participants want the secret history of the 2020 election told, even though it sounds like a paranoid fever dream–a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information.
False. Enough democrats knew they couldn’t hide it anymore dumdum. Every honest person already knew.
We were posting videos from the 2019 campaign for fucks sake. You were just protecting your team.
Well we did a pretty good job didn't we. Disguised his condition for years.
And guess what - we've got a plan now to re-elect him. It'll work too and you know it because you know we're too good at disguising his condition. Even now.
In ten seconds you will forget everything that you suspect about Biden. Nine... Eight...
Well we did a pretty good job didn’t we. Disguised his condition for years.
No, they just lied. But thanks for admitting that it was a group effort on your part to do so.
You didnt disguise shit lol. You lied and gaslit to defend your team retard. Just like how you lied and supported masking, vaccine mandates. And the reality of covid not being the existential threat YOU pushed to grow an authoritarian state.
No. Nobody was shocked.
They could not cover it up any longer.
That has led to ALL of this reaction.
"The only thing that was a surprise to anyone – that showed up starkly during the debate – was what is Biden like outside his ‘good hours’."
When are these "good hours" where he does not come across as not being terribly bright?
He was not terribly bright when he was in the Senate. Him being a blowhard who is overly fond of his self-professed intellect was not a rarely-held view of him.
"All media knew he had limited hours (10 – 4) and none of them asked questions about why."
When was the media able to ask questions in the first place?
"Problem is the clowns here are not holding the media accountable for their incompetence. That incompetence and pussyfooting around with power is decades old. They are instead yapping partisan. Being useful idiots. Because commenters here have zero interest in anything other than owning the libs. No principles whatsoever and certainly no notion of holding govt accountable."
The more conservative commenters HAVE been calling out the media for covering for Democrats for YEARS. That should have to answer for foisting Biden upon us.
Most of us do not view the media as being laden with intelligent folks.
Probably because the media hasn’t been incompetent, they’ve been complicit.
Biden gives no press conferences. Rarely meets with the Cabinet. Does NOTHING without extensive pre-planning (cards with photos on the path to a podium?).
There is no comparison. They are not even on the same planet.
You’ve gotten more bitter lately, Jeff. Maybe you should take a break? It’s summer. Have some fun.
Whether it's senior moments or dementia doesn't really matter. The Commander in Chief is maybe required to work long hours. The Commander in Chief is no longer battle ready.
Bidens continued presence as a candidate is simply evidence that Ds support all the problems of the modern presidency – an administrative state run unaccountably from the White House; a Cabinet or other exec appointees that are on autopilot; a Congress that doesn’t (and maybe can’t) audit or investigate anything that might be useful for whatever it might choose to legislate, and now a judiciary that believes the problem is that the Prez is too fettered.
Rs are not opposing any of that. They are just nodding and watching and observing. Laughing at the most ludicrous notion by the Ds that the only role of the people is to elect a vegetable. Laughing but not opposing the notion. And via Project 2025 just adding unaccountable think tanks (and presumably K Street lobbyists) to the mix
And most voters ARE probably ok with the notion that our only role is to consent to our entertainment
JFucked goes for BOTH SIDES!!!!!!!!!!!
He is a retarded pile of shit, ain't he?
Muh 2025.
Just lap up that propaganda.
It’s not propaganda you stupid fuck. It’s an actual thing.
The left/D media may well be hyperbolic about what it contains. The right/R media is almost completely totally crickets silent. To the degree that they are mentioning it, it is a combo of a)a 900 page program that will be implemented by a Trump administration to own the libs that b)Trump has distanced himself from.
This is not how voters are informed. It is how voters are manipulated into two hostile camps and dumbed down into pure rage/emotion. You’re the one who going along with that tactic. To ensure that whatever it is - it will remain completely unaccountable.
Heritage is tweeting out about it constantly you retarded fuck. It is their plan. But you full sail bought into the lie the left is pushing.
You just throwing out 2025 in the last day or so means you are a useless waste of flesh just peddling whatever your media masters throw out there.
Don’t get mad at me for calling you out for being a fool.
The immunity ruling from the SC is what changed my opinion about Project 2025. They obliterated James Madison:
If Men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and the next place, oblige it to control itself.
And Project 2025 obliges govt to control itself only by its adherence to ideology.
Soyjak: OMG!!! Did you hear about Project 2025!?
Chad: Oh, they're already skipping 5 years and starting the 2030 Agenda sooner?
Soyjak: Huh? What 2030 Agenda?! That's a fascist tinfoil hat conspiracy theory you chud!
""It’s not propaganda you stupid fuck. It’s an actual thing.""
Sure it's a thing. The propaganda part is the Trump connection.
Rs dont support any of that? Lol. Fucking lying dumbass.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/10/23/politics/trump-executive-order-federal-employees
You dem defenders were outraged! Then applaud Biden putting even stronger protections in.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-federal-workforce-overhaul-new-rule/
Then the whole Vivek campaign to cut 25%who cheered on overturning Chevron? Oh. The Rs.
With how many topics you are just straight up wrong about, it has to be intentional you are covering for dems.
I've never heard of any of those before that post. But hey - if you want my opinion.
Trump issuing executive orders to change the civil service is in direct violation of the Civil Service Act of 1870 or so. Bringing back the spoils system - to be controlled by the White House directly is NOT the way to oppose a White House that has no controls on its power and no accountability to anyone for anything. Fucking DUH! The only thing Biden did re that executive order was rescind it on Jan 22 2021.
From the second link - If Congress is derelict in its duty of reforming the Civil Service (and they are) - and is just leaving agencies to run on autopilot - then the way to deal with that is to force Congress to assume its obligation to audit/investigate and to legislate any reforms. Just as I said above. And that in fact you are ignoring since you are summarizing that action as 'Biden' doing something. Can you read your own link? Do you understand the difference between the Prez and agencies? Between executive orders and agency regulations?
This laziness is why you people are such useful idiots. Who just continually make things worse because you don't understand shit and you don't pay attention unless you can invent some gotcha.
JFree cries the Rs aren't doing anything against the administrative state. Rushes to defend changes they make to the administrative state. In the process promotes elevating unelected bureaucrats to not be accountable for their acts.
You can't make this up. JFree is a retarded Democrat.
I have little/no problem with reducing the admin state. I’ve mentioned Hayek’s way of dealing with it – rechtsstaat – many many times. You are retarded if you are reading anything in my post as a defense of the admin state. Edit – you are retarded anyway..
I have a big problem with the manifestly unconstitutional and abuse of power means that you seem to prefer in order to signal your objections – nay your strenuous objections – to the admin state.
I suspect you don’t really give a shit about the admin state as long as the means are unconstitutional and abusive. Because that is what owns the libs. Fascists will fascist.
"Rs are not opposing any of that. They are just nodding and watching and observing. Laughing at the most ludicrous notion by the Ds that the only role of the people is to elect a vegetable. Laughing but not opposing the notion. And via Project 2025 just adding unaccountable think tanks (and presumably K Street lobbyists) to the mix"
Why is the Left obsessed with a piece from a think tank that virtually no conservative has even heard of? Sounds a lot like more Blue Anon nonsense.
And how is it the REPUBLICANS' fault that the DEMOCRATS nominated a vegetable? What the holy fuck do you expect them to do? Trump has had few problems constantly bagging on Joe being decrepit. Conservative media has made a cottage industry detailing all of his nonsense.
Screw that "BOAF SIDEZ!" crap. The Biden problem is SOLELY and EXCLUSIVELY a Democrat problem.
Why is the Left obsessed with a piece from a think tank that virtually no conservative has even heard of?
There's nothing secret here. More than half the people who wrote it were Trump admin officials. The people coordinating and advising it are very well known conservatives from Steve Bannon to Leonard Leo to Stephen Miller to Russell Vought to etcetcetc.
If rightwing media is not paying attention to this, it is because they are being told - There's nothing happening here. Move along now and they are obeisant and hiearachical.
If the left is obsessed, it is because the people associated with that project appear on Bannon's podcast talking about the reign of terror (at least a couple have used that term) that is going to be imposed to 'eliminate enemies'. Nothing at all odd as to why they might be obsessed with countering that.
"...More than half the people who wrote it were Trump admin officials..."
What does that even mean, you slimy pile of lefty shit?
Are you aware Trump has ALREADY put out his policies?
Agenda 47.
The right does not have the lockstep conformity of the left-wing press. Never has. National Review disagrees with basically every other site and has mentioned it two times (unlike the dozens upon dozens of the "totally impartial" mainstream press).
"More than half the people who wrote it were Trump admin officials."
And?
"The people coordinating and advising it are very well known conservatives from Steve Bannon to Leonard Leo to Stephen Miller to Russell Vought to etcetcetc."
I do not know what Leo or Miller do on a day-to-day basis. Bannon is just a political criminal and Democrats should be investigated for criminal charges against them based on this sham of a persecution.
"If the left is obsessed, it is because the people associated with that project appear on Bannon’s podcast talking about the reign of terror (at least a couple have used that term) that is going to be imposed to ‘eliminate enemies’. Nothing at all odd as to why they might be obsessed with countering that."
The Left speaks as a monolith. If they obsess over it, it is because THEY were told to do so.
Remember how "cheapfake" became a thing immediately after KJP said it?
All of this was because Brandon didn't announce he WASN"T running for re-election like he was "supposed to".
It's so totally off script!
"Blacks" is a dirty word now? Your bubble must be very small, Liz.
Let's be fair, the "acceptable" terminology changes at least weekly. Some of us don't get the memo. I think the only term that doesn't change is white.
The term white does, however, continue to expand so that it encompasses anyone that doesn't toe the leftist lines.
Remember how George Zimmerman was a 'white Hispanic'? That's a case where it was super obvious that the 'white' prefix was there to make sure people knew he was the evil kind of Hispanic.
Well, that and to cover their ass for their obviously malicious reporting that they were never held to account for.
So much this.
If you just know that only white people do bad things, and you see someone do something bad, then that person has to be white.
I wonder if they actually learn this in journalism school.
These days, they learn it in elementary school.
Actually, I think the real reason they wanted the quote pulled was the second part where he claimed to appoint more blacks than all other previous administrations combined.
Now that **CNN** is doing a daily fact check on Biden, like they’ve done for years on Trump, they have to worry a little about getting called on this stuff.
And the sad part is, they're not worried that people will think he's a liar. They're worried that people will realize he's so senile he actually believes it.
>>But perhaps more importantly, there remains very little most of us can do about it.
well, there was ...
>>To answer the question on everyone’s minds: No, Joe Biden does not have a doctorate in foreign affairs. He’s just that fucking good.
“asvstvryhbhayt Austraila. Anyway."
No, Joe Biden does not have a doctorate in foreign affairs.
Everyone is calling Joe dumb, but Joe not dumb. Joe have doctorate. Trump is the dumb one. Trump prolly think 'doctorate' means girl doctor. Joe a boy doctor.
lol exactly
when does this place's take on the 20 million illegals voting in November drop? please and thank you.
>>Violet Affleck
why even type her name out loud? just don't look.
Should have named her Verucca.
fitting.
Violet wasn’t much smarter. Remember, she did take the unfinished gum to chew while ignoring Wonka’s warnings.
“It happens every time, they all become blueberries.”
That line is really hilariously sinister, when you look at it in context. Who's they? A bunch of Oompa Loompas getting turned into blueberries that have to have the juice squeezed out of them?
>>One cannot help but wonder: If we had a media more interested in attempting to reveal the truth rather than aiding and abetting the man in power, how might things be different?
uhhhhh Liz? thy name is Media.
Instead, they stage-manage his performances, tightly controlling press access and feeding reporters softball questions.
Even scripted and controlled Brandon can't even keep it straight. Trump, Putin, and racism live rent-free in his head.
Republican Congressman: Pines for the 1960s
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/house-republican-says-congress-needs-to-work-our-way-back-to-where-america-was-in-the-1960s/
I’d like to ask him what part of the 1960s he thought was the best. Was it the lynchings and the cross-burnings? Was it throwing gays in jail and ruining their careers and their lives for being gay?
Oh, but you say, he’s not talking about that stuff, he’s talking about “the breakdown of the family”. True, he is talking about “the breakdown of the family”. So maybe what he really wants is to get rid of no-fault divorce, disallowing women from having a credit card in their own names, a family where “Father Knows Best” even if he beats Mother because Mother needs to understand her primary job in life to have hot food on the table ready to go when Father comes home from a long day of work and when she doesn’t do that she needs to be reminded of that.
No he probably wants some mythical nostalgic version of the 1960s which never really existed.
were you even alive in the sixties?
Is he even alive now?
He was alive in the 60 lbs range from age 2 to 3.
disallowing women from having a credit card in their own names,
This nonsense didn’t actually happen. Single women were able to get credit cards and mortgages. That claim was always second-wave feminist bullshit.
a family where “Father Knows Best” even if he beats Mother because Mother needs to understand her primary job in life to have hot food on the table ready to go when Father comes home from a long day of work and when she doesn’t do that she needs to be reminded of that.
LOL, yeah, because what we have going on now, with empirical proof that single-parent homes are worse for childhood development, is so much better.
Pining for the 1960s is absolutely ridiculous because the 1960s were a total shitshow, and the country was nearly torn apart by violent college marxist vermin.
I am not pining for the 60s but a return to the 80s wouldn't be so bad. Hollywood actually made good movies. The economy was good (after 83). We were a superpower people feared. Most everyone admitted communism was evil. Kids were allowed to be kids. Saturday morning cartoons. Stay out until the streetlights came on. The media at least pretended it wasn't openly partisan (it was but pretended otherwise). Yeah it had its problems but overall the country was in a pretty decent place.
And we were done (mostly) with disco.
Agree....The 80's (post 82) during Reagan were almost magical.
This nonsense didn’t actually happen. Single women were able to get credit cards and mortgages. That claim was always second-wave feminist bullshit.
It was not until 1974 that a woman had the right to obtain a credit card in her own name without requiring a man as a co-signer.
This is a tactic that you like to do - you don't actually argue against the idea of Dad beating Mom, you just shift the subject away to single-parent households being worse in some ways. Better to have more two-parent households (where divorce is much more difficult, natch), and have more wife-beating, than to have more single-parent households, right?
correct what is so hard to understand about that.
Thanks for coming in to tell us how were all in favor of wife-beating and how we all hate gays.
WTF would we do without you, jeff?
Benefit.
Of.
The.
Doubt.
Chemjeff's obsession.
Only for those to the left.
Revolving credit cards did not even exist until 1966 (BankAmericard), and very few men had them until the early 1970s. So, the period during which men got credit cards more easily than women was very brief.
https://www.bankrate.com/credit-cards/news/history-of-women-and-credit-cards/
And women were not restricted from getting them, Jeffy. It was at the bank’s discretion, not a law. Some states, like California, banned banks from discriminating against women regarding credit.
Notice how he made the assertion without any form of evidence? Same bullshit Margaret Atwood and other feminist harpies have claimed.
He has evidence but refuses to post Katie Hill here.
The "BankAmericard" launched in 1958 was only for Bank of America customers, only in California, and it was a disaster. The nationwide, successful BankAmericard was launched in 1966, as I said.
It was not until 1974 that a woman had the right to obtain a credit card in her own name without requiring a man as a co-signer.
Wrong.
This is a tactic that you like to do – you don’t actually argue against the idea of Dad beating Mom, you just shift the subject away to single-parent households being worse in some ways.
You mean the tactic of not arguing against your dumbass strawman? You're just pissed because you don't like the fact that two-parent households are empirically better for childhood development. And it's not just "some ways," it's across the fucking board.
Better to have more two-parent households (where divorce is much more difficult, natch), and have more wife-beating, than to have more single-parent households, right?
chemfat also loves his false dilemmas.
Jeff has been piling on the L's lately. I think the reveal of the gaslighting for Biden broke him, and he is frothing at the mouth now for wins, but is fully tilted.
He honestly sounds more like Tony in recent days, and that is a bad bad place to be.
Oh, you didn't say anything about the criminalization of homosexuality in the 1960s. We already know you are cool with that.
You're still butt-blasted that flashing your dick to children is still considered verboten, pedo.
More giving benefit of the doubt.
Your example is duly noted.
Do not forget, he is pissy that we do not give Biden "benefit of the doubt"
"I’d like to ask him what part of the 1960s he thought was the best. Was it the lynchings and the cross-burnings? Was it throwing gays in jail and ruining their careers and their lives for being gay?"
Man, is this that "benefit of the doubt" you go on about so often?
Seeing as he’s talking about Congress and mentions party leadership, I’d assume he’s pining for the good old days of national unity and bipartisanship.
One reporter, Andrea Lawful-Sanders of WURD in Philadelphia, resigned after it became public that she had used questions fed to her by Biden's press people.
they've all been doing this for the last 3 years but someone had to be made into an example, mostly to fool the normies into thinking this was an isolated example.
—Listen, shithead. Surveyor says there might be some quicksand up ahead.
—Okay, I'll send down a team of horses to test the ground.
—Horses! Are you crazy? We can't afford to lose horses. Send two niggers.
"I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that the fate of the world hangs in the balance"
Every single time with these delusional dipshits.
The scourge of tranny violence continues.
Libs of TikTok
@libsoftiktok
This is 16-year-old Julia Egler. She confessed to police that she kiIIed her mother because her mother wasn’t accepting of her transition.
You probably won’t see this story on the MSM because it doesn’t fit the narrative.
https://spacecoastdaily.com/2024/07/16-year-old-stages-double-homicide-in-palm-bay-kills-her-mother-after-she-disapproves-of-her-gender-transition/
At this point I am starting to think trannies are more dangerous than the 13%
terrorist utes.
As I've said, trannies have a terrifyingly high violent crime rate.
Amazing how often mentally ill folks do incredibly violent things.
But that's OK. Because reasons.
"To answer the question on everyone’s minds: No, Joe Biden does not have a doctorate in foreign affairs.
He’s just that fucking good."
So Chemjeff is actually Andrew Bates?
KEK
If last night's press conference were viewed by an objective person who had not seen Biden's poor debate performance and was (somehow) unaware of the current concerns about Biden's current mental state I think they would have to grade Biden's performance at the podium as mediocre at best and, more likely, slightly alarming. However Biden's acolytes are trying to paint it as a victory - presumably because "it wasn't as bad as his melt down two weeks ago".
One thing that I noticed multiple times was the peculiar way he leaned forward, got a weird look on his face that I think was meant to look "menacing" (but just looked odd), stared at the camera, and spoke in a different tone of voice when trying to make some point that he probably thought would make him look "strong". As he's hidden from public unscripted view as much as possible for the last 3 1/2 years, I don't know if this is a new affectation or one he was recently trained in. Whatever the case, his trainers need to work harder on this if they want it to work. Perhaps his trainers need to switch from positive reinforcement for successfully learning a skill though treats to negative reinforcement via a cattle prod for failing to learn the skill properly.
Also the odd outburst about guns was peculiar - apparently he saved up all his energy for that one moment. Perhaps this is because he's been focusing recently on plans to suppress the citizenry (only if he loses?). His recent comment
when talking to an arms right suppression group was alarming as it indicates there may be some active detailed planning for civilian disarmament and suppression.
when talking to an arms right suppression group was alarming as it indicates there may be some active detailed planning for civilian disarmament and suppression.
I don't know about active plan, but that's been a dream of theirs for over 50 years going back to the Handgun Control, Inc. days. Notice how concern about "right wing militias" gets revived every time a Democrat is in charge? Which is pretty stupid, considering all it took to get most people to go along with their program was to claim they would all die if they didn't stay inside, didn't wear masks, and didn't get the Trump Vaccine after they kicked out Trump.
It is nice how loose the government now defines "Terrorism" to basically entail anybody who does not agree with Biden.
The Army got busted recently naming hardline anti-abortion groups as terrorists. The press dutifully quotes the SPLC naming even benign organizations as “hate groups.”
This is why chemfat’s appeals to “pluralism” are so disingenuous. He gets all aflutter about the right wanting to form its own “cultural milieus” without leftist influence, but doesn’t have a whole lot of condemnation for real-world examples of the left doing that exact thing in their own form of repressive tolerance.
It’s always about giving into the cultural left with these people, including the Jonah Goldberg types. Always.
I've seldom seen a US President openly discussing his plan on using the military to attack their citizenry.
Wolverines!
...it suggests just how deeply some COVID insanity has burrowed into teenagers' brains.
Gen X'ers, prepare to shake your heads in disgust.
To be fair, a lot of those teenagers are the children of Gen Xers.
Biden's "big boy" press conference:
That was the weirdest, most surreal shit I've ever seen.
Next week, Biden's super-hero press conference. And again with matching Depends.
"I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that the fate of the world hangs in the balance" —@Maddow speaking on MSNBC ahead of the Biden press conference
I think the real question, Ms. Wolfe... is why in fuck are you following Brian Stelter?
"Scenes from New York: New York hotels will no longer be allowed by the government to provide tiny plastic shampoo and conditioner bottles to their guests, as of January 1. The only other nation that disrespects their tourists in this manner is California."
The last hotel I stayed at, a couple of weeks ago, they had full-sized bottles of shampoo, conditioner, and lotion, locked into some sort of dispenser-holder apparatus in the shower.
Kinda gross. Downtown Chicago.
https://twitter.com/EricAbbenante/status/1811203474417139741
This Daily Show focus group of Black New York voters did not go as planned. Half of the focus group (3 out of 6) said they would vote for Trump:
"We're an even split. I didn't see that coming."
"I think there's going to be a big shift. I've always been a Democrat. For the most part with the Democrat party, they always make a bunch of promises that they can't deliver."
"They use the issues of the African American community as a soapbox to stand on, and make promises just to get us to come out to vote."
'How could you vote for Trump' is quickly shifting to 'How could you vote for the senile guy?'
Unfortunately, the 81-year-old—who appears to be ailing from dementia
No fucking shit, welcome to 2019.