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Democratic Party

Biden Can't Shake This

Plus: Hawaiian libertarianism, Woodrow Wilson's Biden moment, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 7.11.2024 9:30 AM

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Two weeks: As of today, it has been two weeks since Joe Biden's disastrous debate performance that set off alarm bells for most of the Democratic Party as to whether he can be its candidate in November's presidential election.

Initially, many prominent figures within the party stood their ground. Now, they're falling like dominoes.

The first Democratic senator—Vermont's Peter Welch—has called for Biden to step aside, publicly declaring why in an op-ed for The Washington Post. Another—Connecticut's Richard Blumenthal—is making noises in that direction, while two others—Montana's Jon Tester and Ohio's Sherrod Brown—reportedly raised concerns at a lunch for Democratic senators. Meanwhile, Rep. Pat Ryan (D–N.Y.) said publicly that Biden should exit the race "for the good of the country," which Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D–Ore.) echoed, adding their voices to the chorus of the existing seven Democrats in the House who have publicly called for Biden to get out of the race. "I'd be doing a grave disservice if I said he was the best candidate to serve this fall," Ryan told The New York Times.

And Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D–Calif.), who is the former longtime speaker of the House, said on MSNBC's Morning Joe that "time is running short" for Biden to make a decision—subtle and insistent, as Biden has already repeatedly declared that he intends to stay in the race. "He's beloved, he is respected, and people want him to make that decision, not me," said Pelosi, offering carrot more than stick. "I want him to do whatever he decides to do, and that's the way it is."

Stamina: Even George Clooney is getting in on the action, writing in The New York Times, arguing in favor of replacing Biden, and noting his recent experience interacting with the man at a Hollywood fundraiser Clooney had hosted. Naturally, the president's aides fed a response to a CNN reporter, dutifully recited, that Clooney left the campaign event three hours earlier than Biden, so maybe the 81-year-old president has more stamina than Clooney, akshually.

It's been 2 weeks tomorrow and there's no plan. An op-Ed from George Clooney is not a plan. Pelosi on Morning Joe and Whitmer on The View are emblematic of the whole party. They're taking media hits, too comfortable, used to friendly intvws, and have no idea what to say, so they…

— Mary Katharine Ham (@mkhammer) July 10, 2024

All this is apparently having a real effect on funding. "The money has absolutely shut off," one source within the campaign told NBC News. "Donors are negative. They had a call with the president. The call seemed so contrived to people; I don't think they buy it," someone else close to the campaign added.

"That's not accurate," a Biden campaign spokesperson, Lauren Hitt, told NBC: "On grassroots fundraising, the first seven days of July were the best start to the month on the campaign—and many of those were first-time donors. On the high-dollar side, we've had folks max out since the debate, as well."

But Hitt would give no further detail or specifics, and Biden lackeys are working overtime to stretch the truth to try to pacify fellow Democrats and onlookers, so it's not a stretch to wonder if Hitt is being forthright.

Even members of the media are flipping. ABC News' George Stephanopoulos, who conducted an interview with the president last week, was secretly recorded this week saying that he didn't think Biden would be able to handle a second term.

But Democrats still do not appear to have a plan. If Biden does step aside, thus releasing his electors, and if the open convention route is taken, there is no obvious choice for who might replace him and a nasty floor fight at the convention in Chicago could ensue.

The mechanics of it all: "First, Biden would need to withdraw, and release his 3,904 delegates, who were selected last month," writes Semafor's David Weigel (also today's Just Asking Questions guest). "The newly unbound delegates would pick the new nominee. When Democrats speculate about a 'mini-primary' or 'open convention,' what they mean is that these delegates, along with the 37 'uncommitted' delegates and the eight won by candidates who dropped out already, could vote for whoever they wanted to."

But there's no one who functions as an obvious replacement for Biden. Vice President Kamala Harris feasibly could, and since her "name is on the campaign's organizing documents, [she] would inherit the current Biden campaign and its resources," writes Weigel, but "the Biden-Harris war chest could be donated to the DNC or a super PAC" if a different nominee is chosen by delegates.


Scenes from New York: "At least ten times in the past two months, tens of thousands of people had their days ruined by a failure of one of the most fundamental pieces of infrastructure in America: the electrical system that powers Amtrak and New Jersey Transit trains on the Northeast Corridor," reports Curbed. (Train appreciator Joe Biden hardest hit, though this may be the least of his troubles.)


QUICK HITS

  • Absolutely wild:

JUST IN: Rep. @AOC officially files articles of impeachment against Supreme Court Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito.

They stand no chance of passing the Republican controlled House.. but a provocative move as Democrats fret about the direction of the Supreme Court.

— Ryan Nobles (@ryanobles) July 10, 2024

  • "I do have some confidence" that inflation is cooling, said Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell to House lawmakers during yesterday's testimony. "The question is: Are we sufficiently confident that it is moving sustainably down to 2%? And I'm not prepared to say that yet."
  • Pfizer is entering the Ozempic wars.
  • Hawaii is out there passing market-friendly bills: the biggest income tax cut in the history of the state as well as a law forcing localities to allow the building of more accessory dwelling units. More from Marginal Revolution.
  • We've seen this one before:

The White House actively covers up the president's medical condition. His wife chooses which memos he sees. Desperate to secure his legacy, the president refuses to resign and plans to run for reelection.

New Statecraft, on Woodrow Wilson: https://t.co/1fS5vua3gW

— Santi Ruiz (@rSanti97) July 10, 2024

  • My beliefs summed up in a single tweet:

Pretty incredible how a White House that demanded Americans show a medical record to keep their job now demand medical privacy when questions are asked about the neurological health of the President of the United States https://t.co/pEK7tx5664

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   11 months ago

    Biden Can't Shake This

    PARKINSON'S JOKE???

    1. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

      Everyone else might be enjoying the shit show, but even though the Democrats are falling apart right now, that doesn’t mean the establishment isn't still focused on introducing more ‘anomalies’ into the voting process.

      The polls might be irrelevant if they're still planning to cheat again.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

        Crisis times justify emergency measures. Now shut up and get on the train.

      2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

        Did you see the House Democrats saying only allowing citizens to vote was racist and xenophobic yesterday?

        https://x.com/greg_price11/status/1811114695698321767

        Quite a few videos in there. They are so desperate they aren't even hiding their plans now.

        1. A Thinking Mind   11 months ago

          It isn’t happening and it’s a good thing.

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

          Desperate or confident they have the systems rigged enough?

          1. Idaho-Bob   11 months ago

            Covering all bases.

      3. middlefinger   11 months ago

        The Democrats are not falling apart. All of this is clickbait bullshit from a global socialist media oligarchy (subsidized consumption socialism ) fed to us by money losing outlets. Biden will win this election just like the commies won France.

        I’ll just leave this here:
        Niall Ferguson
        https://www.thefp.com/p/were-all-soviets-now

        Subsidized consumption- this time It’ll work comrades!

    2. Ajsloss   11 months ago

      It was a tasteless joke considering the likelihood that our dear leader was suffering from covid.

      1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

        Unpossible. He’s fully boosted!

      2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

        He just had long dementia.

        1. Social Justice is neither   11 months ago

          I read that as long Democrat. Same thing really.

      3. Eeyore   11 months ago

        If COVID had done the job we were promised it would - this wouldn't still be an issue.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

          Yeah, and Social Security and Medicare would be running huge surpluses, the glut of housing would depress prices, and the Stones would finally stop touring.

          1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

            Stones would finally stop touring.

            Nothing can stop those guys.

            1. Eeyore   11 months ago

              Someone will replace them with AI and holograms.

    3. mad.casual   11 months ago

      [Grins and tilts head at a jaunty angle]

  2. Fist of Etiquette   11 months ago

    And Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D–Calif.), who is the former longtime speaker of the House, said on MSNBC's Morning Joe...

    Poor Mika!

    ...that "time is running short" for Biden to make a decision—subtle and insistent, as Biden has already repeatedly declared that he intends to stay in the race.

    But does he remember that choice?

    1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

      Is he making that choice?

    2. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

      "People are weak. People are selfish. When people have the freedom to choose, they choose wrong. Every single time."

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

        How can we have democracy if people are allowed to vote?

    3. Sometimes a Great Notion   11 months ago

      I was for running for office, before I was against it.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   11 months ago

    "I want him to do whatever he decides to do, and that's the way it is."

    It would be a shame if he decides to do something but doesn't do it.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

      Does Botox Nancy talk about her husband that way?

      And what if Biden wants to hang out with a guy holding a hammer?

  4. Fist of Etiquette   11 months ago

    It's been 2 weeks tomorrow and there's no plan. An op-Ed from George Clooney is not a plan. Pelosi on Morning Joe and Whitmer on The View are emblematic of the whole party.

    Look, they were completely blindsided. They had no clue the president's mental state. How could they have been prepared?

    1. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

      As Sarcasmic and Jeff insist, nobody could have seen this coming. Every else here joking about his obvious dementia for the last six years? We were just spreading conspiracy theories.
      There was no way anyone could have known.

      1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   11 months ago

        He's just as capable of leading the country now as he was four years ago!

        1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   11 months ago

          Kamala, however, is slightly less competent to do so than Biden.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

            I did hear she does some things better than Joe.

          2. damikesc   11 months ago

            Doubt it. Joe has fucked over more than 300M people easily.

        2. Social Justice is neither   11 months ago

          Frightening just how true this is.

          1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   11 months ago

            Ain't it just, though?

            1. Social Justice is neither   11 months ago

              Scarier than just the one man are the 33% or so of voters that think that's all fine.

      2. R Mac   11 months ago

        If the corporate press wasn’t completely corrupted, Chuck Todd would be fired yesterday:

        “NBC chief political analyst Chuck Todd said Tuesday on his podcast that he sees "no evidence [President Biden] can serve four more years."

        He also said that a "senior cabinet member" told him two years ago that they don't think Biden can continue as president.”

        CHUCK TODD: I'm not gonna out the cabinet secretary, right? But I had a cabinet secretary two years ago, all out of the blue ask me, "Do you really think he's gonna, he can't run again like this?"

        And I said, "Well, you have more interaction with him than I do."

        And they said, "I don't have a lot of interaction with him."

        This is a pretty senior cabinet secretary. And this was two years ago.

        This is one of those, you know, it's the classic open secrets, a non-versation, right? It's the story everybody knows and no one was, everybody was afraid to talk about.

        https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/07/10/chuck_todd_a_senior_biden_cabinet_secretary_told_me_two_years_ago_he_cant_run_again_like_this.html

        Not only did he know two years ago (we all knew 4 years ago, whatever), but he casually admits that he was afraid to talk about it. Because reporting things that make democrats look bad is not his job.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

          This is one of those, you know, it’s the classic open secrets, a non-versation, right? It’s the story everybody knows and no one was, everybody was afraid to talk about.

          Yeah, not unlike how everyone knew what a predator Harvey Weinstein was (and let’s not kid ourselves, absolutely no one who wasn’t a Hollywood insider was surprised that greasy-looking toad turned out to be one), but didn’t say anything until they needed to try and gain the moral high ground on their own elite depravity after Trump was elected.

          If Hillary had been elected, I guarantee Harvey would still be releasing movies, because 1) he was one of her biggest donors, and 2) Billy Jeff is a bigger poonhound than Trump, and most normies would laugh at the idea that Trump’s skirt-chasing was any worse than his.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

            Partisans gotta partisan.

            And I realize this is nothing new. Just watch two tribes of chimps literally murder each other just for belonging to the wrong tribe (and for controlling something each tribe wants to own).

            What I can't decide is whether human societies are better with glaring, open partisan behavior accepted as normal, or with some pretense that we treat everyone equally.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

              "I prefer the old Adam of strife and carnage to the new Prometheus of peace and human rights. Better a world torn apart by Husseins and Qaddafis, better a war to the knife between the PLO and the Likud Party, between Zulus and Afrikaaners, than a world run by George Balls and Dag Hammarskjölds, because a world made safe for democracy is a world in which no one dares to raise his voice for fear that mommy will put you away some place where you can be reeducated."

              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

                So, no libertarians?

        2. Mickey Rat   11 months ago

          Yes, these type of open secrets are quite Soviet in nature, like whether Brezhev or Andropov were alive or dead.

      3. sarcasmic   11 months ago

        Do you get paid by the strawman?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   11 months ago

          You’re one to speak about strawmen, Strawcastic?

          1. sarcasmic   11 months ago

            He’s just a Juggalo, and everywhere he goes, people don’t understand the makeup…

            The fact is he’s a chump, delusional for Trump, like to a god he’s prayin….

            But there will come a day! When elections have their way! What will he say about it?

            All were all wrong by fraud. Winner was not his god. Life goes on, without him.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   11 months ago

              Whatever, Strawcastic.

              1. sarcasmic   11 months ago

                Sure Jesse Jr, whatever you say.

                1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

                  You and Jeff are doing amazingly well this morning lol.

        2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

          Lol. Said in the same thread with his buddy Jeff below.

          You two clowns are amazing.

        3. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

          "Do you get paid by the strawman?"

          Unfortunately no. I'll never be a fine strawman craftsman like you, Sarckles. Didn't the American Straw Board declare you a national treasure?

      4. Z Crazy   11 months ago

        What I didn't see coming was Brandon actually running for re-election.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

      "Please, Chocolate Jesus, save us!"

    3. Ron   11 months ago

      the angry vitriol coming from the left is just to hide the fact that they knew all along that Biden was diminished mentally, they just hoped it would hold out long enough to keep him controlled and doing what they tell him to do

  5. Idaho-Bob   11 months ago

    AOC filing articles of impeachment for Thomas and Alito.

    Another example that Democrats fucking HATE black conservatives. Thomas was my first recollection of "sexual harassment" accusations in the political sphere.

    1. Randy Sax   11 months ago

      This just in! 12 women files sexual harassment complaints against whoever Trump picks as VP. When filling out the complaints the women wrote "TBD".

      1. Ajsloss   11 months ago

        12 women files sexual harassment complaints against whoever Trump picks as VP.

        *Trump selects Noem*

        Dear Penthouse…

        1. Ersatz   11 months ago

          Ha! ... but methinks you date yourself with that remark.

      2. I, Woodchipper   11 months ago

        ^This is closer to the truth than a joke I think.

    2. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

      "Democrats fucking HATE black conservatives."

      Buttplug is living proof.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

        Democrats seem to hate black people in general.

        They call themselves "progressives" and "anti-racists", they called Georgia's updated voting laws Jim Crow 2.0.

        In reality, they are base human beings, simply filled with venom and racist vitriol to be turned on anyone with whom they disagree.

        Here's a smattering of things that MSNC hosts, Washington Post and The Nation writers, and other candidates for office have said about Herschel Walker, who is running for a Senate seat to represent Georgia (against incumbent Raphael Warnock).

        Imagine for one second if Fox News or the WSJ had written these statements about Mr. Warnock.

        "Herschel Walker's candidacy is a white insult to Black people."

        "Walker is what they think of us, and they think we’re big, ignorant, and easily manipulated. They think we’re shady or criminal. They think we’re tools to be used. The Walker campaign exists as a political minstrel show: a splashy rendition of what white Republicans think Black people look and sound like."

        "I make a hard distinction between Black conservatives and these tokens" – referring to Senator Tim Scott (R-SC) and Walker – "who are out here right now, shucking and jiving for their white handlers."

        "Walker has positioned himself into being a useful fool for those who don't have the best interests of Black people or this democracy at heart."

        "[Herschel Walker's] irrelevant to the Black community, and we should treat him as such."

        "Herschel Walker, the football star turned Georgia Senate candidate, is an animated caricature of a Black person drawn by white conservatives."

        "Most white people in the South vote 'R' like their entire white supremacist project depends on it."

        "Georgia Republicans want Walker because he's Black and Warnock is Black, and they think they can defeat Warnock in November if they can shave just a little of the Black vote..."

        "Mr. Walker was merely a vessel for the G.O.P. and Mr. Trump's ambitions."

        "He's a puppet on a string, and somebody's pulling those strings really good."

        1. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

          Not to be outdone in using racist attacks against blacks, the Democrats seem intent on racist attacks on Hispanics, too.

          Democratic lawmakers and liberal media outlets alike have responded to the Republican Party's gains with Latino voters by attacking Hispanic Republicans. Flores's opponent in November, Rep. Vicente Gonzalez (D., Texas), argued in June that he is more
          qualified than Flores because he "wasn't born in Mexico." Weeks later, Arizona representative Rubén Gallego (D.) said a female Hispanic Republican running for Congress in the state was not sufficiently Latina because she took her husband's last name.

          The New York Times, meanwhile, said Flores's win marked the "Rise of the Far-Right Latina," citing the Republican's support for religiosity, strong borders, and traditional values. A Texas political blog that has received campaign funds from Gonzalez also attacked Flores last month, referring to the congresswoman as "Miss Frijoles," "Miss Enchiladas," and a "cotton pickin' liar."

          "Who does this Mayra Flores think she is? Somebody said she was crowned Miss Frijoles 2022 in San Benito," Texas political blogger Jerry McHale, who has received $1,200 from Gonzalez's campaign, wrote on July 2. "She isn't in congressman Vicente Gonzalez's league. She isn't even in the bush leagues unless she doesn't shave her p**sy."

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

          Democrats. Telling black people what to do, since 1827.

      2. Mickey Rat   11 months ago

        The Democrats self-regard is they are the proper representatives of minorities. A black or Hispanic conservative is obviously suffering from false consciousness and hence are not "real" members of the demographic group. Biden saying "If you don't vote for me, then you ain't black!" during the 2020 campaign was probably the most blatantly, crudely racist expression of this idea.

    3. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   11 months ago

      It would be a tragedy if she fell into a running wood chipper.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

        Especially if it was a migrant wood chipper.

    4. Social Justice is neither   11 months ago

      Be fair, Democrats hate all black people, they just find some useful. Black conservatives aren't useful to them so they just let their natural bigotry flow without going through the effort of disguising it.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

        You be fair. Some superior elites love some black people, like pets. And others have a twisted type of love, when then indulge their nihilistic white guilt in front of a black "victim".

    5. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

      Pelosi just yesterday was asking a black reporter if she eve spoke English after being asked a question.

      https://x.com/rachelvscott/status/1811078212153139417

      1. Mike Parsons   11 months ago

        Shes got a few layers of protection:

        If "insensitive thing" is said by a R, its de facto racist

        If its said by a D, its probably not racist, I mean they are the party of anti racism, it couldnt be

        Also, more importantly, if the POC is potentially Republican, or even putting forward a question an R might as, they are an uncle tom not authentically black therefore its still OK

      2. Idaho-Bob   11 months ago

        The first comment:

        Art Candee
        @ArtCandee
        Show the former Speaker some respect, scavenger. You’re the problem, not Biden.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

          What are we going to do with the hard core Democratic faithful that can't be de-programmed?

          What have the hero leaders of the left done?

          1. Mike Parsons   11 months ago

            Nah, they just need instruction from the right people that the new programming is in.

            Obama, Pelosi, Clintons tell them its time to jump, they will jump. Itll only take them a news cycle

          2. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   11 months ago

            Wood chippers?

        2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

          I'm sure our commonly outraged leftist here, jeff and sarc, will decry the use of scavenger and claim democrats are calling her subhuman. Let's watch.

  6. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   11 months ago

    Woodrow Wilson's stroke and his administration's paralysis is the main reason the 1920 recession didn't turn into the Great Depression 9 years ahead of its time. Too bad Biden's dementia has been such a slow process.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   11 months ago

      Why is it always evil Marxists that this happens to?

      1. Social Justice is neither   11 months ago

        I believe Heinlin called it "bad luck".

        1. Ersatz   11 months ago

          Dont tell KARt-B but some might call it God... 😉

    2. JFree   11 months ago

      The 1920 recession was never going to be a depression. It was a simple drop in demand and a return of soldiers to the workforce post-WW1. Those self-correct. Bank system failures (and debt-deflation) do not self-correct.

  7. Fist of Etiquette   11 months ago

    But there's no one who functions as an obvious replacement for Biden. Vice President Kamala Harris feasibly could...

    JFC, if Harris wins the election at the top of the ticket then there's no convincing me it's not all rigged.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

      How else can our dedicated left brigade save (D)emocracy?

  8. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

    Jesse's world:

    "That faggot is 'forcing his lifestyle on me' by breathing air in public, so Imma gonna beat his ass."

    https://www.advocate.com/crime/antigay-attack-miami-florida

    Greg Breidenbach was walking home in Coconut Grove in Miami on the evening of July 8 when he was attacked. The popular flight attendant for American Airlines remembers being pummeled to the ground by two men yelling slurs before blacking out.

    “I knew I was punched, kept getting punched in the face, kicked in the back and they just kept calling me f*gg*t,” Breidenbach told local ABC affiliate WPLG.

    1. Randy Sax   11 months ago

      Not justifying the attack, but perhaps if the gays at large actually stop forcing their lifestyle on the public then this attack wouldn't have happened?

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

        How dare those gays force their lifestyle on you by breathing air.

        "If she didn't wear a short skirt she wouldn't have been raped."

        1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

          Those gay pride parades are just “breathing air”.

        2. Randy Sax   11 months ago

          “If she didn’t wear a short skirt she wouldn’t have been raped.”

          I mean, it's sad and it shouldn't happen, but it is true.

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

            How jeff really feels about rape victims.

            https://reason.com/2024/06/27/double-haters/?comments=true#comment-10619535

            https://reason.com/2024/06/25/americas-mayors-say-the-heartland-needs-immigrants/?comments=true#comment-10616918

            And then all the time he spent defending pedophiles just yesterday.

            1. Ajsloss   11 months ago

              That's what I was thinking. If that underage girl hadn't been consuming alcohol, she wouldn't have been ejaculated on. But the guys said they felt bad after.

              1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

                And it is a crime to criticize those poor innocent migrants.

        3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

          It is amazing how dishonest you are.

          You must really be angry at Gays Against Groomers too.

          Need the links of your fellow activists trying to get people fired for wrong pronouns? Need the lawsuits of men trying to force women to touch their dicks for waxes? Need stories of men forcing themselves into locker rooms and women’s sports teams

          No. You want to ignore reality and claim it is all LGBTQ and not the activists pushing their ways onto others. Youre a dishonest fuck jeff lol.

          Youre so desperate you try to expand bad behaviors people criticize to entire groups that don’t exhibit those behaviors. You do the same combining legal and illegal immigrants. Or statements about cartel members and rapists to all immigrants. Youre the most dishonest person here.

          I find it hilarious how desperate you are with your flailing. You come across as the standard campus leftist retard and you are too dumb to realize it lol.

          By the way, you really shouldn't use statements about rapes after supporting immigrants getting zero days in jail for raping a minor. A group rape. God damn man. What a retarded clown.

        4. R Mac   11 months ago

          “How dare those gays force their lifestyle on you by breathing air.”

          Now ask yourself, does Lying Jeffy really think that anyone complaining about gays forcing their lifestyle on them thinks this simply because gays are breathing air, or is he simply lying about his enemies position?

    2. Mike Parsons   11 months ago

      Is this similar to the viscious attack Ellen Page faced when someone ran at her and said "Hey! I am going to gay bash you!!!"

      Or maybe "this is MAGA country!!"?

      1. Spiritus Mundi   11 months ago

        Mathew Shepard part deux?

    3. Spiritus Mundi   11 months ago

      Poor Jeffy, lashing out after defending soliciting minors for sex yesterday.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

        I did not defend solicitation of children for sex.
        I opposed excessively harsh penalties for the crime of solicitation only, even when there was no sex.
        Get it right.

        1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

          You are fucked in the head.

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

          Maybe you should advise the Trump defense team

        3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

          I mean it was 24 hours ago. Maybe you think everyone forgot.

          https://reason.com/2024/07/10/battle-of-the-olds/?comments=true#comment-10633835

          You even went on to the young child could always say no lol.

          I like how your defense is excessive time for trying to fuck kids while you cheered on 20 year sentencing for non violent J6 protestors or 4 months for Bannon following Trump using executive privilege.

          You support fucking kids and you want sentences to be light if caught. Youre a disgusting person.

    4. Jerry B.   11 months ago

      And here's the perp.

      https://www.local10.com/news/local/2023/08/16/victim-of-brutal-coconut-grove-beating-robbery-blessed-to-be-alive/

      1. Spiritus Mundi   11 months ago

        You are not supposed to notice that.

      2. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

        An immigrant.
        Karma !

      3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

        So it was a robbery. Lol.

        1. Michael Ejercito   11 months ago

          He should be punished if the allegations are true.

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

            For the assault and robbery I agree. Don't know of any libertarians actually supporting enhancers for protected classes. Well... Chase Oliver.

      4. soldiermedic76   11 months ago

        Not surprised after the ass kicking LyingJeffy got yesterday he's back here lying again to imply we all hate gay people.

    5. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

      This was a year ago, and none of the contemporary articles about it say anything like what yours says.

      https://outsfl.com/feature/most-read-stories-of-2023/Gay-Man-Attacked-in-Coconut-Grove

      Because Breidenbach is gay, this was originally investigated as a hate crime. However, police say this was a random attack. Vicious, for sure. But also random.

      https://www.miami-police.org/news/29%20-%20230708-0048209%20-%20FLORIDA%20AVE%20AND%20DOUGLAS%20ROAD.pdf

      On July 8, 2023, at approximately 1:00 am, a man was walking in
      the area of Florida Avenue and Douglas Road in Coconut Grove
      when he was beaten and robbed. The victim suffered severe facial
      injuries and his watch and neckless were stolen.
      Initially a hate crime was alleged, but after a tedious and detailed
      investigation by the Violent Crimes Unit, it was determined that a
      hate crime did not occur. The suspect, Marco Antonio Roura, DOB:
      5/16/1978 has since been taken into custody and charged with
      Strong Arm Robbery and Felony Battery.
      *See the attached Arrest Form.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

        Also, just looking at the full neck tattoos, etc. Marco Antonio Roura seems unlikely to be a MAGA guy. Looks can be deceiving; it just seems unlikely.

        The more I look at the contemporary records of the event, the more it seems like after-the-fact embellishment or attention seeking on the victim's part. I wasn't there and I don' t know what Marco Antonio Roura said during his assault and robbery of the man, it just seems likely that if he had said any of the things being claimed now, some record of it would exist in the many reports. Even the gay newspapers/sites of the day don't have a hint of such things.

        This is no Jussie Smollett incident, since the guy was unquestionably beaten and robbed, but the claims a year later of the hate speech? Call me a cynic I guess.

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

          I didn't say he was a MAGA guy. I never said that homophobic bigotry is exclusive to MAGA cultists.

          1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

            Seems to be prevalent in immigrants.

          2. Bertram Guilfoyle   11 months ago

            Give us a break, jeff. When you introduce each of your anecdotes with “Jesse’s world:” you’re clearly trying to imply that this is all maga stuff.

          3. Mickey Rat   11 months ago

            The motivation fir the crime was theft, not because he was gay. I guess you think strong arm robbery perpetrators are usually verbally polite to their non-gay victims?

          4. R Mac   11 months ago

            chemjeff radical individualist 1 hour ago
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            Jesse’s world:

            “That faggot is ‘forcing his lifestyle on me’ by breathing air in public, so Imma gonna beat his ass.”

      2. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

        https://www.americateve.com/miami/arresta-hombre-acusado-golpear-brutalmente-otro-robarle-un-reloj-tiffany-coconut-grove-n5352774

        “We know that the victim was eating at a nearby restaurant and when he was walking home, he was assaulted, they beat him and took his watch and a chain that he had, when he told us this, he thought that was the reason it was because he is gay that they stole the items,” said Mike Vega, Miami police spokesman.

        “We in the investigation were looking at this as a hate crime and talking to witnesses is that we determined that this was not a hate crime, but rather it was that the person we have arrested in this case and he himself explained to us that the victim was drunk and he saw the opportunity to steal the items from him,” Mike Vega added.

        [translated by google]

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

          Okay, fine. I'm willing to concede that this may have not been an example of explicit bigotry.

          1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

            It was another immigrant crime.

          2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

            Jeff caught lying, declares amnesty. Lol.

            Better luck next time fatty.

          3. Mike Parsons   11 months ago

            Common Jeffy L

          4. R Mac   11 months ago

            How embarrassing this whole thread turned out to be for you Lying Jeffy.

          5. Bertram Guilfoyle   11 months ago

            I wonder if this one will make it into the next DOJ sex orientation hate crime bucket, referenced below?

            1. Mike Parsons   11 months ago

              ^ exactly this.

              Pretty much. If you get robbed in Chicago by someone who says "give me your money you fucking cracker" it wouldn't be a hate crime

              Replace cracker with any other racial slur or LGBTQ term and its a hate crime.

              1. Bertram Guilfoyle   11 months ago

                If we send them Jeff's "concession" above that it wasn't one, maybe they'll take it out?

            2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

              Jeff's favorite site.

              https://www.fakehatecrimes.org/

          6. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   11 months ago

            “Willing to concede” rather than an actual admission of being dead wrong.

            1. soldiermedic76   11 months ago

              No, because later tonight, after most have stopped posting he'll come back and post a rebuttal to try and cover his ass, which of course will be a lie.

            2. R Mac   11 months ago

              “Willing to concede” in this case being “I totally lied about this story so I could slander Jesse as a homophobe but then I got caught lying.”

          7. Bertram Guilfoyle   11 months ago

            “I’m willing to concede”

            It’s okay jeff. Everyone makes mistakes, especially when they’re emotionally hunting for links to identity-based crimes, you’re bound to slip up once in a while.

            You suffered so much yesterday, and as always, you were arguing in good faith, so we forgive you.

          8. Jefferson Paul   11 months ago

            Okay, fine. I’m willing to concede that this may have not been an example of explicit bigotry.

            So you think this is an example, instead, of implicit bigotry against gays? Why did you need to include the descriptor "explicit" before bigotry in you concession otherwise?

            Can't you just admit that you were wrong, without hedging that you were still somewhat right?

      3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

        Why would Jeffrey lie while creating a strawman? So shocked.

    6. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

      OK, the first 2024 nominee is in for the Jussie Smollett award.

    7. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

      Hey look. Jeff is using emotional strawman and lies as usual. He is still upset about people pointing out his defense of pedophilia yesterday. He was so upset he went back in the thread late yesterday to continue defending his defense of pedophilia. Woke up this morning so angry he decided to create a strawman for something I've never even come close to saying. Tomorrow jeff will claim he is the only honest person here. Typical fat obese pedophile jeff.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

        Hey look, it's Jesse lying yet again. I never defended pedophilia, you sick fuck. I am opposed to excessively harsh punishments for the crime of solicitation ONLY, even when there was no sex. You seem to think that if an 18-year-old solicits sex from a 17-year-old, who looks 18, and who lies to the 18-year-old about his/her age, even if there is absolutely no sex, that the 18-year-old should be charged with a felony and thrown in prison for 4 years. Why don't you explain to all of us why you think that is a just punishment, without resorting to emotional hyperbole and moral panic about "but the children".

        1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

          Anyone soliciting sex from my kids is going to die.

          1. soldiermedic76   11 months ago

            It's just soliciting guys.

            No it's soliciting sex with a minor.

            It's just simply soliciting they can say no. And it's not sex slavery. Banning soliciting of sex with minors is homophobic because the gays might be targeted because they're easy to pick on.

            It's soliciting sex with minors.

            This has nothing to do with pedophilia. It's just soliciting.

            It's soliciting sex with minors that's pedophilia.

            You just hate gays

            Yes, if they have sex with minors.

        2. Bertram Guilfoyle   11 months ago

          Also notice how Jeff always shifts the goalposts to Romeo/Juliet situations.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

            And note how he goes full-bore on his sophistry and misdirection when pedophelia and child sexual assault is criticized.

            1. Mike Parsons   11 months ago

              He really has set up camp here as his hill to die on. Never goes harder than when it involves fucking with kids

          2. soldiermedic76   11 months ago

            Non sequitur here but I've long wondered why it's called a Romeo and Juliet romance, when in the play both characters were about the same age and both were below the age of consent today.

            1. soldiermedic76   11 months ago

              Must be the whole forbidden love angle?

            2. Bertram Guilfoyle   11 months ago

              Agree, it's a term that makes no sense. It works as short-hand I guess.

            3. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

              I always figured it was because if their relationship began when both were underage, but then one of them had a birthday, the behavior they did yesterday has today become a felony.

        3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   11 months ago

          Why do you and the activist group opposed to this law presume that “LGBTQ and people of color” are more likely to solicit sex from a minor, Jeff?

        4. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

          Asking again, since it was ignored yesterday.

          “if an 18-year-old asks a 17-year-old for sex – and absolutely no sex occurred ”

          How does this situation occur such that it gets prosecuted? This is a solicitation charge (sex for money) in which the suspect solicited sex with a minor. You’re positing a situation in which the cops somehow were surveilling a known underage prostitute waiting for someone to solicit sex and then busting them before the deed can be done? Or did someone solicit an undercover cops who looked young enough? Sex-with-a-minor charge can’t apply there assuming the undercover cop was over 18, unless the person asked if the “hooker” was over 18, was told “No, I’m 17.” but then still went through with the solicitation (in which case, it was clearly their intent to solicit sex with a minor). Or is it say, online solicitation, where undercover agents can pretend to be younger children, get “solicited”, and then bust the perverts and no sex ever happens? Again, here it seems that the intent to have sex with minors was pretty well established.

          Of course, there’s the “She said she was 18! I thought she was 18!” defense, which I–without any proof whatsoever–would tend to guess that pedophiles will say as often as illegal aliens say “Asylum!” If some innocent 18-year-old should accidentally solicit sex from an older-looking 17-year old, having been show ID saying the kid was over 18, let’s hope a jury has the good sense to drop the solicitation of a minor charge and support the general solicitation charge.

          Some time back, when California changed its “romeo-and-juliet” defense allowances to include same-sex considerations, some people here got all frothy about “they gays getting an open license for child sex”. I argued that the law did no such thing, and that anyone making such a comment was just wrong.

    8. R Mac   11 months ago

      Lying Jeffy kicks puppies.

    9. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

      Greg Breidenbach was walking home in Coconut Grove in Miami on the evening of July 8 when he was attacked. The popular flight attendant for American Airlines remembers being pummeled to the ground by two men yelling slurs before blacking out.
      “I knew I was punched, kept getting punched in the face, kicked in the back and they just kept calling me f*gg*t,” Breidenbach told local ABC affiliate WPLG.

      LOL, yeah, sure:

      Coconut Grove was once the epicenter of gay and lesbian life in South Florida before South Beach took the wheel. The neighborhood still maintains its reputation as a gay-friendly area of Miami, just 10 minutes south of downtown on Biscayne Bay.

      Was the guy carrying a Subway sandwich and his attackers yell out "This is MAGA country!" too?

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

        Meanwhile, in the glorious blue state of Colorado:

        A Lincoln Middle School teacher and assistant track coach was arrested Tuesday and accused by police of sexually assaulting at least two girls.
        Police say Poudre School District staff reported allegations against the teacher, identified in a Wednesday news release as Evan King, in April 2024. King was placed on administrative leave that month and police launched a four-month investigation into the accusations against him, which included touching students inappropriately on multiple occasions.

        1. Mike Parsons   11 months ago

          He must have been a Catholic priest right? The left tells me the only people touching children are priests

        2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

          No jail time! The kids could always say no! - Jeff

        3. R Mac   11 months ago

          So you hate gay people?

          — Lying Jeffy

      2. mad.casual   11 months ago

        popular flight attendant

        LOL.

        Breidenbach having survived, this seems both presumptive and irrelevant rather than impartial on the part of the reporter... unless Breidenbach insisted that it be included.

    10. A Thinking Mind   11 months ago

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  9. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

    Jesse's world:

    "A church that hosts 'drag queen story hour' is grooming kids, so I'm going to burn it down."

    https://www.metroweekly.com/2024/02/aimenn-penny-sentenced-to-18-years-for-firebombing-pro-lgbtq-church/

    Aimenn Penny has been sentenced to 18 years in prison, followed by three years of supervised release, for attempting to burn down a church that was planning to host two drag shows.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

      Now do all the Antifa and BLM riots.

    2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

      Where have I ever defended arson? I can go find you defending it with the BLM marches.

      0-2 today Jeffrey.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

        I never defended arson and I never defended pedophilia.

        You on the other hand absolutely defend violence and vandalism, if it's the Jan. 6 "tourists" participating in a "tour" of the Capitol.

        1. VinniUSMC (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   11 months ago

          What's that got to do with attempting to burn a church for hosting drag queen story hour?

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

      chemjeff's world:

      Douglas County High School Teacher Arrested for Sexual Assault on a Child
      On June 18, 2024, Douglas County Sheriff’s Office detectives arrested 55-year-old James Thomure of Centennial for sexual assault on a child by one in a position of trust. Thomure is a teacher at Douglas County High School.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

        Gee, sounds like a horrible crime. I would advocate that the accused get a fair and full trial following proper standards of due process, and if found guilty, serve a punishment commensurate with the severity of his crime.

        I wouldn't support summary execution, vigilante justice, or any of the other insane crap you moral panicking assholes advocate for.

        1. R Mac   11 months ago

          When did Jesse advocate arson?

  10. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

    Jesse's world:

    "If I'm at a bar and the dude sitting next to me says he's gay, then he deserves a beatin'."

    https://www.recordonline.com/story/news/2024/03/05/woodstock-man-sentenced-for-hate-crimes-in-bar-attack/72850745007/

    The district attorney's office said Wilber, while at a bar in April 2023, hurled homophobic slurs at the unidentified victim upon learning he was gay. He then threw an object at the victim's face, injuring his lip.

    Wilber then jumped over the bar area and physically attacked the victim, pulling out a box cutter in the process.

    In pleading guilty to the menacing and assault charges, Wilber admitted that his acts were intentionally committed because of his perception of the victim's sexual orientation, the district attorney's office said.

    1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

      I’ve seen fights in bars over who should win the World Series.

    2. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

      Why is the violence different if for a stupid reason? What if the perp just thought the guy looked stupid and needed to have a shot glass chucked at his head?

      Personally, I don't care what the "reason" for doing it is, put him in jail for the action.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

        Sorry, your team doesn't get to play that card anymore.

        If your team had consistently taken a stand against identity politics, then I would agree with you. The important part is the violation of rights, regardless of who did it to whom for what reason.

        But in the current climate, when your team gets outraged about drag queens reading books to kids, when your team gets outraged about a beer company using a transgender individual to market beer, when your team has decided to fully subscribe to identity politics, *just like the left has done*, then claiming 'but it's only the crime that matters' is a motte-and-bailey tactic. It's a way to try to rationalize homophobic violence without having to come out and say it.

        1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

          The important part is the violation of rights, regardless of who did it to whom for what reason.

          You are the one who is focused on the gay angle.

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

            For Jeff identity is the most important thing.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

              No, that is your team, AND Team Blue. Both of your stupid teams have devolved into identity politics hysteria.

              1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

                All your posts are about gay victims, not just victims.

              2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   11 months ago

                Again, you’re the one who brought up the identity angle in your original comment.

                1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

                  He is projecting as he always does.

                  Think he finally broke.

              3. VinniUSMC (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   11 months ago

                No, that is your team, AND Team Blue. Both of your stupid teams have devolved into identity politics hysteria.

                You're never going to convince anyone that you are not zealously Team Blue.

        2. Bertram Guilfoyle   11 months ago

          Huh?

          Can you and sarc put your heads together and figure out what a non-sequitur is?

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   11 months ago

            I believe the concept of a non sequitur escapes their vast intellectual capabilities.

        3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

          Jeff projecting his own behaviors lol.

          Jeff. Everyone you are arguing with supports equal application of the law over acts, not belief.

          You on the other hand do the opposite, believing in ideological lawfare. You are projecting.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

            Jeff. Everyone you are arguing with supports equal application of the law over acts, not belief.

            Not beliefs - identity. And it is absolute bullshit.

            You will defend Steve Bannon who clearly broke the law and whine that it is an unjust prosecution, while you hold all of those illegal immigrants to "the law's the law!" standard. You defend Bannon because of who he is, not because of what he did. You condemn illegal immigrants because of who they are, not because of what they did.

            You defend the Jan. 6 rioters as "tourists" and "hostages" and "political prisoners" while you condemn the BLM rioters. It is because the Jan. 6 rioters are "on your team" while the BLM rioters are not "on your team".

            1. Bertram Guilfoyle   11 months ago

              Jan 6 people who were violent should be prosecuted. Same for BLM rioters.

              As far as which group deserves more scorn though... which group committed more violence?

              1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

                Ironically jeff can go into the jan 6th thread on the subject from.... jan 6th and see everyone he hates saying exactly that.

                But that is less than 20% of those who have been arrested. Non violent protestors getting months to years in jail.

            2. R Mac   11 months ago

              The issue with Bannon is he is being prosecuted for violating THE SAME LAW that Democrats from other administrations have repeatedly violated without being prosecuted for. In fact, the only other person that’s gone to prison for it is another person from the Trump administration, Peter Navarro. That’s what makes it unequal application of law.

              Of course you know this, but that’s not going to stop you from being a dishonest piece a shit about it.

            3. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

              Pointing out the double standards involved here is NOT the same as defending Bannon or Jan 6. Your whole comment is basically doing the same things: pointing out that there are, in fact, double standards.

            4. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

              Recycling old comment here:

              Violence by protesters in the seat of government (these buildings are essentially exenstions of the Capitol building), occupying those building, protesting that government, entering the private workspaces of the House and Senate, accosting Congressfolk, none of that is cool. The point it is was always a non-event, a big "meh" over the years, until Trump folks did it. The double standard applied is immeasurable. Protesters in Portland, Seattle, etc. have set fire to multiple federal buildings, including courthouses, and the media *defended* them. Do we not remember the CHOP, which seceded from the country and formed its own government, run by a rapper turned veritable warlord?

              I'm not saying "It's OK what the Trump folks did because looks what other folks did" What they did was inexcusable, and I hope every single one of the people who broke into the Capitol are prosecuted fully (meanwhile leaving alone the several tens of thousands who had nothing to do with the chaos, despite having been "incited"). I'm saying "It's not ok what they did, but there should not be a double standard, relative to say, BLM protests that burned down cities, murdered a number of cops, injured hundreds of cops, murdered a score of civilians, burned and looted businesses to the tune of $2B or so in damages, with violent riots nightly for weeks. Hollywood actors literally paid the bail of people arrested during those riots. The media gave us the term "mostly peaceful protests" while the were literally standing in front of burning buildings. Liberals donated millions to the cause. Chants like “Pigs in a blanket, fry ’em like bacon!” and "What do we want? Dead cops. When do we want it? Now." were not uncommon.

              Do you even remember this? Barely covered: "Last week, a gunman in Dallas opened fire on police at the end of a Black Lives Matter demonstration, killing five officers and wounding several others. Micah Johnson, the shooter, told a hostage negotiator that he was angry on behalf of Black Lives Matter and “wanted to kill white people, especially police officers.” Johnson’s Facebook page revealed an affinity for black nationalism, and he followed a Facebook group called the “African American Defense League,” which encouraged followers to “ATTACK EVERYTHING IN BLUE EXCEPT THE MAIL MAN” and “sprinkle Pigs Blood.”

              And in Castile’s St. Paul, Minn., more than 100 protesters were arrested when protesters used an overpass over Interstate 94 to throw rocks and rebar at police, injuring 21 officers, including one who suffered broken vertebrae when a concrete block was dropped on him from above. When one officer was injured, protesters cheered: “One piggly-wiggly down!”

              The Capitol riot involved maybe 400-500 people out of multiple thousands there, involved a few broken windows, and relatively little damage or theft and was over in about 4 hours.

              Time Magazine tells us that "93% of Black Lives Matter Protests Have Been Peaceful". What percentage of Trump rallies have had violence, how many protesters in D.C engaged in the riot? What percent were they that day?

              If you're disgusted and angry ONLY at the Capitol riot and not equally so about all of these violent events, or ONLY about the BLM protests and not upset about the Capitol riot, then I don't know what to say.

              1. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

                Some of those previous Capitol protests that were yawned over...

                -------------------------
                [During the certification of the EC results after Trump won]

                [T]hree protestors started yelling from the visitors’ gallery of the chamber. At least one of them was reciting the Constitution as he was taken away by security.

                [Democrats 2016 insurrection was just smaller...]

                -------------------------
                [I especially loved the photo that accompanied this once, with Liz Warren in the balcony actively encouraging the protesters!]

                An afternoon of protests ended in many arrests in the Hart Senate Office Building on Thursday as a group of mostly female protesters flooded the atrium of the work space to protest President Donald Trump’s immigration policies.

                United States Capitol Police charged nearly 575 individuals with “unlawfully demonstrating,” according to a Capitol Police statement Thursday.

                -------------------------

                WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Black-clad activists among hundreds of demonstrators protesting Donald Trump’s swearing-in on Friday clashed with police a few blocks from the White House, in an outburst of violence rare for an inauguration.

                At least 217 people were arrested in the melees, police said.

                The burst of civil disorder followed a fierce presidential campaign that ended in a stunning victory for Republican Trump over Democrat Hillary Clinton on Nov. 8 and left the country divided.

                Many of Trump’s supporters traveled to Washington to cheer their new president on Inauguration Day. Tens of thousands of detractors are expected to march peacefully on Saturday.

                In the violence, knots of activists in black clothes and masks threw rocks and bottles at officers wearing riot gear, who responded with volleys of tear gas and stun grenades as a helicopter hovered low overhead.

                At one flash point, a protester hurled an object through the passenger window of a police van, which sped away in reverse as demonstrators cheered. Earlier, activists used chunks of pavement and baseball bats to shatter the windows of a Bank of America branch and a McDonald’s outlet, all symbols of American capitalism.

                Multiple vehicles were set on fire, including a black limousine. A knot of people dragged garbage cans into a street a few blocks from the White House and set them ablaze, later throwing a red cap bearing Trump’s “Make America Great Again” campaign slogan into the flames.

                Police said six officers were injured in scuffles with protesters. The people arrested would be held overnight before making court appearances on Saturday, Peter Newsham, interim chief of the Metropolitan Police Department, told a news conference. Newsham added that police would continue to monitor security around the night’s celebrations.

                Friday’s protests played out just blocks from Pennsylvania Avenue.

                -----------------------------------

                A throng of protesters pushed past a police line, storming up steps to pound on the doors of the U.S. Supreme Court on Saturday after the Senate confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh.

                "Hey, hey! Ho, ho! Kavanaugh has got to go," the protesters chanted as they flooded the steps of the court, many with fists raised in the air, others with arms linked.

                Police eventually were able to form a line between the door and the group of protesters and later shepherded them back down the steps before erecting a barricade.

                The protest at the Supreme Court came shortly after Vice President Mike Pence walked down the steps of the U.S. Senate to chants of "shame" after the vote to confirm Kavanaugh.

                -----------------------------------

                Protesters gained entrance to the Hart Senate office building's atrium and dropped two banners, one reading "End War Now" and the other "People for the People."

                NBC News reports as soon as demonstrators unfurled their signs, Capitol Police placed them under arrest. At least six have been arrested for unlawful conduct - demonstrating. Dozens of other demonstrators ran through the building's upper levels chanting and waving smaller signs.

                The offices of Democratic senators Dianne Feinstein and Harry Reid are located inside the Hart building, as well as Republican Marco Rubio.

                The political protests rumble into a second week in the nation's capital. The demonstrations, smaller in size than the Occupy Wall Street protest in New York City, have for the most part been restrained and peaceful. On Saturday, one demonstrator was arrested after a group attempted to enter the Smithsonian Air and Space museum. Guards repelled the demonstrators with pepper spray, and the museum shut down early.

                -----------------------------------

                Demonstrators protesting President Donald Trump and the prospect of war in Iran occupied the Hart Senate Office building Monday. Active protests are prohibited in the Senate office buildings, but demonstrators maintained that they would work within those limitations by not chanting or waving signs, occasionally invoking the ire of Capitol Police but not the handcuffs.

                ----------------------

        4. R Mac   11 months ago

          Wow, Lying Jeffy is officially more broken than sarc now.

        5. Jefferson Paul   11 months ago

          You constantly claim that by linking stories of illegals doing horrible things like murder and rape, the linker is implying or saying ALL illegals are murderers or rapists.

          You now have linked several stories purportedly showing "hate crimes" against gays. By your logic you are saying everyone who doesn't celebrate pride month must be violent thugs who want to beat or kill gays. Do you think that or do you only apply that standard when someone points out something bad about groups of people you like.

        6. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

          Again, not a single thing you said applies to me.

          I'm not on a team, and I'll make whatever observations I choose to make.

    3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

      Jeff is really angry for being exposed as a pedophile defender yesterday.

      0-3 lol.

      Nice use of activist websites BTW. How many of these are hoaxes?

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

        I never defended pedophilia, you slanderous asshole.

        I like that even when the perpetrator admits he was a homophobic asshole, you still won't say one word against this crime.

        1. Bertram Guilfoyle   11 months ago

          Violent crime is wrong, regardless of the victim/perpetrators characteristics.

          What planet do you live on?

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   11 months ago

            Planet Chemjeff is the second star to the left and straight on till total retardity.

    4. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

      chemjeff's world:

      Mervo High School teacher charged with sexual assault of minor in Baltimore County
      BALTIMORE - A Baltimore City high school teacher is charged with the sexual assault of a 12-year-old girl who lived in the same apartment complex, according to court documents. 
      Lewis Laury, 24, is charged with second-degree rape and sexual offense in the third degree. Police said Laury is accused of having an inappropriate relationship with the minor.
      Laury is a teacher at Baltimore's Merganthaler Vocational-Technical High School, according to the school's website.    
      The girl was reported missing by Baltimore County Police on June 21 and found a week later at Laury's home, according to charging documents.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

        I would advocate that the accused get a fair and full trial following proper standards of due process, and if found guilty, serve a punishment commensurate with the severity of his crime.

        Do you? Or maybe we should go straight to the mob lynching phase?

  11. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   11 months ago

    No one to replace Biden? Does it matter? the Marxists already said the person doesn't matter, their deep state (Soviet if you will) already has all of the power

    1. Spiritus Mundi   11 months ago

      They don't need to replace Biden. It isn't like he is doing anything now. The same "team" will run things when he gets 90 million votes in Nov.

      1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   11 months ago

        He's going to get 400 mil

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

          "One BILLION votes!"

  12. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

    Jesse's world:

    "Flying a Pride flag outside of your business means you don't deserve to live."

    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-08-21/laura-ann-carleton-killer-identified-anti-lgbtq-rants-unearthed

    The man authorities say shot and killed a Lake Arrowhead shop owner last week after a confrontation over a pride flag has been identified.

    Travis Ikeguchi, 27, hurled homophobic slurs at Laura Ann Carleton on Friday during an argument the two had at her store, Mag.Pi, the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department said.

    Authorities said Ikeguchi made “several disparaging remarks about a rainbow flag that stood outside the store.” The heated argument then turned violent, and Ikeguchi fatally shot Carleton, 66, before running away, San Bernardino County sheriff’s officials said.

    1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

      Another immigrant crime.

    2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

      0-4.

      Jeff. When have I ever advocated for gay bashing or not letting them live or have businesses? They should have EQUAL rights to everyone else. The opposite of what you demand in having elevated rights.

      You've now posted 4 stories focused on identity instead of demanding equal treatment. This is projection buddy. And lying. All because you couldn't help but defend pedophilia yesterday.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

        Repeat after me Jesse:

        "It was wrong for Ikeguchi to murder Carleton because she was flying a Pride flag outside of her business."

        Maybe instead of spending all of your time arguing against me, you might spend a few minutes condemning the homophobic murderers.

        1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   11 months ago

          Are you going on with that "Repeat after me" schtick again? Last time I participated in that, it took you half the day to finally admit Biden lied.

          Haven't you got anything better to do?

        2. R Mac   11 months ago

          It was wrong for Ikeguchi to murder Carleton because murder violates the NAP.

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

      chemjeff's world:

      Ex-Stamford teacher, Norwalk resident, accused of touching elementary schoolers faces new allegation
      STAMFORD — Another child has come forward, alleging sexual assault by a former Stamford fifth-grade teacher who already faces a dozen accusations of inappropriately touching elementary school students.
      Andrew Park, 33, of Norwalk, was arraigned at the state Superior Court in Stamford Wednesday to face new charges of fourth-degree sexual assault, risk of injury to a minor and illegal sexual contact with a minor following his most recent arrest on June 19.
      Park, a former Strawberry Hill School teacher, was already facing 12 counts each of fourth-degree sexual assault, illegal sexual contact and risk of injury to a minor stemming from incidents involving 12 girls, ages 11 to 13

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

        I would advocate that the accused get a fair and full trial following proper standards of due process, and if found guilty, serve a punishment commensurate with the severity of his crime.

        RRWP on the other hands wants to organize a citizen posse and burn down his house at midnight.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

          Yeah, but you think being an accomplice to a rape while you jerk off in front of the victim isn't a big deal.

          1. Ajsloss   11 months ago

            You have to feel bad about it afterwards.

    4. I, Woodchipper   11 months ago

      She wasnt shot over the flag you dunce.

  13. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

    Jesse's world:

    "Look, go ahead and be gay, just don't be 'flamboyant', otherwise you deserve to be tortured and murdered."

    https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/bernardo-pantaleon-killed-phoenix-suspects-sent-photos-mutilated-body-gay-victim-family-police-say/

    On Nov. 26, Pantaleon's body was found with "significant trauma" on a trail near Mountain View Park, CBS affiliate KPHO-TV reported. Pantaleon's family said he was found naked, beaten and brutally tortured, so bad that detectives asked loved ones not to see him in that condition.

    Pantaleon's friends and family have said they believe he was the victim of a hate crime because he was gay and often wore glamorous clothing. Police investigators said the suspects - all in their early 20s - planned to rob Pantaleon and then kill him.

    Detectives said they reviewed social media messages between the three suspects in which they allegedly discussed and planned Pantaleon's killing.

    "Some made derogatory remarks regarding the victim's sexuality and a derogatory statement about homosexuals not being allowed" in Phoenix's northside, according to a probable cause statement.

    1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

      Mountain lions hate gay guys.

    2. Jerry B.   11 months ago

      And here's the perps.

      https://nypost.com/2023/12/07/news/4-suspects-accused-of-killing-and-mutilating-gay-man/

      1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

        Immigrants.
        Can’t make this shit up.

        1. Spiritus Mundi   11 months ago

          Jeffy is desparate after taking a stand for child solicitation yesterday.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

            I did not defend solicitation of children for sex.
            I opposed excessively harsh penalties for the crime of solicitation only, even when there was no sex.
            Get it right.

            1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

              Anyone soliciting my kids for sex is going to die.

              1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

                What's extra hilarious is jeff is still obsessed with trying to claim making it illegal to not solicit kids is a gay issue. Why he is trying to bring up all these unrelated stories centered on identity.

                Jeff is basically admitting to the elevated rates of pedophilia in the gay community.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

                  No, I never said solicitation of kids is only a 'gay issue'. The argument is, when the government creates excessively harsh penalties for any crime, minority groups are the ones that tend to be disproportionately targeted, because they are easier to pick on. Police do not patrol every neighborhood equally.

                  1. Jefferson Paul   11 months ago

                    Laws against murder disproportionally affect black males, mostly because young black males commit a disproportionate amount of the murders in this country. It doesn't mean we shouldn't enforce murder laws.

                    The first reason you gave as to why you were against the CA law was that it would disproportionally affect the LGBTQ community. Are you saying that the LGBTQ community commit a disproportionate amount of soliciting sex from minors?

                    1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   11 months ago

                      Yes, that is exactly what Jeff is saying.

                    2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   11 months ago

                      And today he’s saying that immigrants disproportionately beat and kill gay people.

                    3. Jefferson Paul   11 months ago

                      Chemjeff's rule is that if you post multiple links to articles about an immigrant committing a violent crime, you are saying that ALL immigrants are violent.

                      With his multiple links today (many of which the violent perpetrator is an immigrant), chemjeff must think all immigrants are violent and attack LGBT people. Those are his standards that he applies to others. Or he just likes strawmanning people and only applies that standard when it conveniently allows him to hand-wave away reports of violent crimes committed by illegal immigrants.

                    4. Bertram Guilfoyle   11 months ago

                      ^This.

            2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

              Lol. Jeff. Youre a fucking clown. I linked the thread above. Fucking pedophile.

        2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

          Lol. Laughing my ass off at him this morning. Fucking hilarious.

    3. Spiritus Mundi   11 months ago

      Gang members aren't coming over the border. Just people looking for a better life. - Jeffy Radical Pedophile

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

        Gang members are coming over the border, along with lots and lots and lots of other people who are not gang members.

        To hear your side talk, the people coming over the border might as well be nothing but gang members.

        You know why gang members have an easier time getting across the border? Because the border patrol agents are spending all their time hassling penniless Guatemalans who aren't gang members and who only want to come here for a better life. Make it easier for the nonviolent to come here, and that will free up resources for the border patrol to go after the 'bad hombres'.

        1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

          Jeff, how do you discern who is and isn't a gang member crossing the border? Have you become this fucking retarded?

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

            Here's a crazy idea:

            If a migrant shows up at the border, then the border patrol does a quick background check, a quick health screening, and if the migrant passes both of those, the migrant gets a work permit and a "Welcome to America" brochure. That's it.

            That will free up police resources to track down all of the bad hombres, instead of them spending all of their time trying to catch women and children.

            1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   11 months ago

              How does one do a background check of someone from a foreign country who probably isn't even carrying ID? Do you really think criminals are so honest that they'll bring the right ID with them and not try to sneak across after getting sent back?

              Let's hear your plan for conducting background checks on some foreigner who doesn't even speak English and the border guards don't even know what language he does speak or where he's from.

              C'mon, man! Your move.

              1. Jefferson Paul   11 months ago

                Very good point about not being able to conduct a background check on migrants who ditch their IDs and assume an new name when crossing the border.

                But even if that weren't true, and they all had IDs and we could conduct sufficient background checks, with the flood of people crossing the southern border, that would take quite a lot of time and resources, so border patrol still wouldn't be able to focus on just the "bad hombres" as chemjeff claims.

                1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   11 months ago

                  Pfffttt. 5000 background checks and health screenings per day is easy peasy.

                  Now if only we could tell which ones are gonna rape children and kill gay people. I’m sure Jeff has a plan for that…..

            2. R Mac   11 months ago

              Lying Jeffy lives in a fantasy world.

              Or he knows he’s full of shit and says this anyways because he’s inherently dishonest.

    4. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

      Wow, don't let NYC know you allow Jessie to live rent free in your head. They may want to place some migrants.

    5. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

      I think I broke Jeff.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   11 months ago

        Jeffy was broken before. He’s just pissy you uncovered the fact that he actually is broken.

    6. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

      chemjeff's world:

      Douglas Anderson math teacher arrested, accused of indecent exposure
      This is the fifth teacher removed from a D.A. classroom since March 2023
      JACKSONVILLE, Fla. – Another teacher at the Douglas Anderson School of Arts is facing criminal charges.
      Chris Allen-Black, an algebra teacher, was arrested in Orange County on a misdemeanor charge of indecent exposure.
      NOTE: News4JAX typically doesn’t name those arrested on misdemeanor charges, but because of the nature of the charge and Allen-Black’s occupation, we have chosen to name him.
      News4JAX obtained Allen-Black’s arrest report Thursday morning. It shows he was arrested at a Walt Disney World resort in February.
      Parents and families received an email Wednesday afternoon from Douglas Anderson about Allen-Black’s arrest (scroll down for the full email).
      The math teacher was removed from the classroom and reassigned to different duties without student contact, according to the email. The Duval County Public Schools office of professional standards is investigating.
      According to the arrest report, witnesses saw a man, later identified as Allen-Black, naked and fondling himself in a window overlooking the pool at the Dolphin Resort. One woman said she was concerned because other people were in sight, including children and families.

      chemtard: "What's the big deal, he isn't actually harming anyone!"

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

        I never said "what's the big deal", you asshole. The question was never if this type of behavior is right or wrong. The question is whether this type of behavior should be punished by the state. Unlike most people around here evidently, I believe there is a difference between acts that are morally wrong, and acts that ought to be punished by the state.

        So I do think that this guy, while acting totally inappropriately and disgusting, shouldn't be punished by the state with a crime. He didn't infringe on anyone's rights. If he loses his job, or if he is kicked out of the resort, or if he is sued civilly by the kids' parents, those are all separate issues.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

          The question is whether this type of behavior should be punished by the state.

          Do you? Or maybe we should go straight to the mob lynching phase?

          Make up your mind, fat boy. And thanks for confirming that you think jerking off in front of kids isn't really a big deal, since it's not serious enough to prosecute.

        2. Bertram Guilfoyle   11 months ago

          Indecent exposure not a NAP violation in chemjeff’s world – am I reading this right? Shouldn’t be illegal at all? Not even a misdemeanor charge?

    7. R Mac   11 months ago

      This is actually getting sad, Lying Jeffy.

  14. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

    Jesse's world:

    "Those dyke bitches just need some 'actual dick' to become straight. I'll show them how they deserve to be treated."

    https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/video-shows-lgbtq-women-being-brutally-beaten-in-wynwood/3184705/

    “This group of guys, basically, they just started screaming stuff at us, anti-lesbian comments, like, 'you’re only lesbians because you haven’t received actual' and he used a profanity word … out of nowhere," said one of the victims.

    The group of women consisted of lesbians and a transgender person. In the video, the victims are heard pleading to stop the fighting and that they’ve called the cops. Two men wearing white shirts are seen swinging at a man who is trying to stick up for the group of women.

    One victim, who asked not to be identified, is seen on video getting punched three times — and eventually gets knocked out. She says the guys who attacked them started hurling gay slurs before getting violent.

    1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

      It would be acceptable if they just jerked off on their clothes.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

        Come on now. That's not what Jeff said!

        He only said that just jerking off on someone who is being gang raped doesn't deserve the same punishment as the "real" rapists.

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

          Okay, convince us why they should receive the same, harsher punishment.

          The man who forcibly penetrated the victim should receive a harsh punishment because his motives were clear and he directly caused direct physical and emotional harm to the victim.

          The man who didn’t forcibly penetrate the victim, but just stood there and watched and pleasured himself, his motives are less clear. He also didn’t cause any physical harm to the victim. Should he be punished? Yes. Now convince us why they should be punished with THE SAME HARSHER PENALTY.

          Saying “they both participated in the rape” is not good enough – that is a reason to punish both of them in the first place, not a reason to punish both of them as if they both committed the exact same act.

          1. Bertram Guilfoyle   11 months ago

            Can someone catch me up - Is all Jeff's recent gibberish about "ejaculating on someone is different than rape" a reference to a real case somewhere, or hypothetical?

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

              I believe it's the case where illegal immigrants raped that 13-year-old girl.

            2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

              I linked it up above.

              https://reason.com/2024/06/27/double-haters/?comments=true#comment-10619535

            3. R Mac   11 months ago

              Not just the guy jerking off on her, but also the guy that raped her then felt bad about it afterwards.

          2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

            Jeff defends gang rape again. Remember, Jeff was defending the rapists getting 0 jail time.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

              Nope, not defending gang rape, you mendacious slanderous asshole. I am defending FAIR STANDARDS OF JUSTICE. Something that your hyperventilating tribe succumbing to moral panics cannot understand.

              1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

                They all should get the death penalty.

              2. Jefferson Paul   11 months ago

                FAIR STANDARDS OF JUSTICE

                But equal application of the law would not be fair standards of justice to chemjeff. He keeps saying Bannon deserves his jailtime for contempt of Congress, but WILL NOT answer that that means Garland should also be jailed for contempt of Congress.

                Instead he wants extra privileges for the identities and groups he likes or prefers: illegal immigrants, LGBTQ, BLM “protesters,” Democrats, etc. When asked why the non-violent protesters at the J6 riot should still be in jail when violent “protesters” at BLM riots who were even charged got lower sentences, he strawmans again and claims we’re saying none of the people prosecuted for J6 were violent. I’m talking about the ones who committed no violence or even vandalism, but still got a year or more in jail. Something like 70+% of those convicted for J6 committed no violence.

                To be clear, the ones who did commit violence at J6, and that there is evidence showing that, deserve tough punishment, just as BLM violent rioters should get tough punishment, but often did not. I actually want equal application of the law.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

      Did you get your new allocation of straw?

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

        He’s broken. Gonna take a few people to carry him out to the garbage.

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

      chemjeff's world:

      Former substitute teacher arrested for child sexual assault in Garfield County
      A former substitute teacher for the Garfield Re-2 School District was arrested on multiple sexual assault charges this week, an Re-2 news release states.
      Martin Spritzer, 56, faces two felony counts of sexual assault on a child while in a position of trust/victim under 15 and two misdemeanor counts of unlawful sexual contact.

  15. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

    Jesse's world:

    "That tranny tricked me into having sex. Therefore I'm entitled to murder the faggot."

    https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/charges-man-admits-to-fatally-shooting-transgender-woman-after-sexual-encounter

    A Minneapolis man has been charged in the fatal shooting of a transgender woman after a sexual encounter.

    [...]

    Bible said he walked past the victim who was sitting at a bus shelter on Lake Street and was allegedly proposed sexual favors. He agreed and the two went to the courtyard near the bus stop. During the sexual act, Bible claimed he felt suspicious, "so he shot her" after it was completed.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   11 months ago

      So broken. What happened to the "those are just anecdotes" defense of illegal immigrant rape and murder? Is this some how (D)ifferent?

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

        https://bjs.ojp.gov/library/publications/violent-victimization-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-2017-2020

        This report presents data on the rate of violent victimization for persons who identified as lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender during the 4-year aggregate period of 2017 to 2020. The report provides demographic characteristics of victims of violent crimes, including sex, race or Hispanic origin, and age. It also presents data on the types of violent crimes involved and whether victims chose to report the victimization to police. Population estimates for persons age 16 or older by sexual orientation and gender identity are also provided.

        Highlights
        During 2017 to 2020—

        The rate of violent victimization of lesbian or gay persons (43.5 victimizations per 1,000 persons age 16 or older) was more than two times the rate for straight persons (19.0 per 1,000).
        The rate of violent victimization against transgender persons (51.5 victimizations per 1,000 persons age 16 or older) was 2.5 times the rate among cisgender persons (20.5 per 1,000).
        About 58% of violent victimizations of lesbian or gay persons were reported to police.
        Domestic violence was eight times as high among bisexual persons (32.3 victimizations per 1,000 persons age 16 or older) and more than twice as high among lesbian or gay persons (10.3 per 1,000) as it was among straight persons (4.2 per 1,000).

        Prediction: you will attack the source or claim it doesn't matter.

        1. Jefferson Paul   11 months ago

          I've looked into some of the studies showing what you just reported above. In this post I'm going to focus on the implied "genocide of trans people" that is reported often by the MSM. What they don't include is that, for transwomen, they are involved in prostitution far above the rate that so-called "cisgender" women are. Prostitution is a very dangerous profession. It should be legal, but it's not, so there is a lot of crime that comes with it in this country. Controlling for that factor lowers or eliminates the disparity quite a bit. Also, many of the examples given of trans people listed as victims were killed by other trans people. That's certainly sad and unfortunate, but not an example of widespread hunting of trans people by nontrans people.

      2. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

        https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-lgbt-violence-press-release/

        LGBT people are nearly four times more likely than non-LGBT people to experience violent victimization, including rape, sexual assault, and aggravated or simple assault, according to a new study by the Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law. In addition, LGBT people are more likely to experience violence both by someone well-known to the victim and at the hands of a stranger.

        Researchers analyzed data from the 2017 National Crime Victimization Survey, the first nationally representative and comprehensive criminal victimization data to include information on the sexual orientation and gender identity of respondents.

        Results showed that, in 2017, LGBT people experienced 71.1 victimizations per 1,000 people, compared to 19.2 victimizations per 1,000 people for non-LGBT people. LGBT people had higher rates of serious violence victimization in almost every type of violent crime except robbery, which showed no significant difference between LGBT and non-LGBT people.

        1. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

          “LGBT people are nearly four times more likely than non-LGBT people to experience violent victimization, including rape, sexual assault, and aggravated or simple assault, according to a new study by the Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law.”

          At the hands of other “LGBT people” you dishonest shill.

          And it’s been long known that children who’ve been raped by same-sex rapists tend to start identifying as your sex cult, as they mature. You’re pretending that the cause isn’t responsible for the effect.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

            No, you are the gaslighting shill. That 4x figure is true for ALL instances of violent crime, not just for instances of violent crime where both the perpetrator and the victim were LGBTQ.

            1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

              Jeff, youre sure laser focused on identity this morning.

              Are you finally out of the closet as a leftist activist?

            2. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

              Yeah, I'm going to need to see your cite on that, Lying Jeffy.

          2. Mike Parsons   11 months ago

            Jeff also failing to understand the cause/effect here, self fulfilling prophecy here.

            Being diddled or sodomized as a kid leads to a significantly higher chance of homosexuality and gender issues. Of course when you ask these people they will have a higher incidence of being assaulted/molested.

      3. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9770371/

        We estimate the prevalence and characteristics of violent hate crime victimization of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people in the United States, and we compare them to non-LGBT hate crime victims and to LGBT victims of violent non-hate crime. We analyze pooled 2017-2019 data from the National Crime Victimization Survey (n persons = 553, 925;n incidents = 32, 470), the first nationally representative and comprehensive survey on crime that allows identification of LGBT persons aged 16 or older. Descriptive and bivariate analysis show that LGBT people experienced 6.6 violent hate crime victimizations per 1,000 persons compared with non-LGBT people’s 0.6 per 1,000 persons (odds ratio = 8.30, 95% confidence interval = 1.94, 14.65). LGBT people were more likely to be hate crime victims of sexual orientation or gender bias crime and less likely to be victims of race or ethnicity bias crimes compared to non-LGBT hate crime victims. Compared to non-LGBT victims, LGBT victims of hate crime were more likely to be younger, have a relationship with their assailant, and have an assailant who is white. Compared to LGBT victims of non-hate violence, more LGBT hate crime victims reported experiencing problems in their social lives, negative emotional responses, and physical symptoms of distress. Our findings affirm claims that hate crimes have adverse physical and psychological effects on victims and highlight the need to ensure that LGBT persons who experience hate crime get necessary support and services in the aftermath of the crime.

      4. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

        So, there's your statistics. I'm sure you will now respond with "Thanks for providing what I asked for, I guess I was wrong with my initial assumption". Right?

        1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

          Jeff, just above:
          The important part is the violation of rights, regardless of who did it to whom for what reason.

    2. Jerry B.   11 months ago

      Apparently, the MAGA hat can't fit over the dreadlocks.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

        I'm not claiming that all of the violent homophobic assholes are MAGA cultists.

        1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

          Most of them appear to be immigrants.

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

            Lol.

          2. Idaho-Bob   11 months ago

            And all of them are POC

    3. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

      By your group's own standards Jeffy, it sounds like young Damarean was deceived into sex and thus raped by your man in drag.

      I have no problem with someone shooting their rapist.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

        Damarean Bible was the one who solicited the victim for sex, not the other way around. Way to blame the victim.

        1. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

          You're such a deliberately deceitful piece of shit, and you don't even read your own articles:

          "Bible said he walked past the victim who was sitting at a bus shelter on Lake Street and was allegedly proposed sexual favors. He agreed and the two went to the courtyard near the bus stop."

    4. Mickey Rat   11 months ago

      The transgender "woman" could be described as attempting rape by deception. While shooting may be an unwarranted response, it is understandable that he would emotionally traumatized.

    5. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

      chemjeff's world:

      Severna Park Elementary School teacher charged with sexual abuse of minor, assault
      SEVERNA PARK, Md. —
      An Anne Arundel County teacher faces dozens of charges involving sexual abuse of minors.
      According to charging documents obtained by 11 News Investigates, Matthew Schlegel inappropriately touched as many as eight students on several occasions in his third-grade math class at Severna Park Elementary School.
      Police arrested Schlegel at his home on Thursday. In total, he faces 36 charges that include sexual abuse of a minor and second-degree assault.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

        I would advocate that the accused get a fair and full trial following proper standards of due process, and if found guilty, serve a punishment commensurate with the severity of his crime.

        RRWP on the other hands wants to give this guy a little bit of "street justice" after dark.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

          Yeah, but you think being an accomplice to a rape while you jerk off in front of the victim isn't a big deal.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

            I never said "not a big deal", you lying asshole. I said that the accused should receive FAIR STANDARDS OF JUSTICE. That is not difficult to understand.

            1. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

              No.

              You explicitly said jerking off on the child while she was being raped was not as bad as sticking it in her, and the courts should be more lenient. You also said that that the courts should also be more lenient if the rapists swear to the court that they feel bad about it later.

          2. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

            And thank you for openly admitting that you are not interested in fair standards of justice, only in imposing YOUR idea of 'justice' on all who disagree. Tyranny of the violent mob.

            1. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

              Look at you pretending you’re even remotely concerned about justice. You’re so utterly evil.

    6. I, Woodchipper   11 months ago

      Damarean Kaylon Bible

      why not use his full name? lol

  16. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

    the Biden-Harris war chest could be donated to the DNC

    After the big guy gets his 10%.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   11 months ago

      Ohh Hawaii passes marginal reforms. How about a reform that says the lahnians can go back home? Or a reform that the official that shut off water to the firehhdrents is guilty of mass murder?

      Not ment to be a reply

  17. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

    So maybe Jesse or anyone else would like to explain how gays are “the most privileged group in history” or however you all put it yesterday.

    Where is the story of the straight guy being murdered because he was acting too ‘flamboyant’?

    Where is the story of the gay guy who, when told by the guy next to him at the bar that he’s straight, leapt over the bar and grabbed a box cutter and started to assault the straight guy?

    If you were a decent human being you would condemn this homophobia and bigotry. But you aren’t, so you won’t, you’ll find some way to excuse all of them in one way or another. That is how we get Jesse’s world.

    Oh and by the way, all of these stories are just from last year. They are not from the distant past.

    1. sarcasmic   11 months ago

      If you don’t hate gays then you hate America. Duh. They’re all leftists. Every single one. It’s genetic. Like being black, or illegal. Natural born leftists. Ask Jesse, ML, Sevo and company. They’ll tell you. But you have to feed them a few drinks first. In vino veritas.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

        Holy fuck. Sarc actually jumped in to help jeff with his strawmen and lies.

        Definitely bookmark.

    2. Mike Parsons   11 months ago

      Myself or an Asian American walking in a bad neighborhood has a significantly higher chance of being assaulted for our skin color and race than a gay person for being gay.

      LGBTQ are the most celebrated, protected minority on planet earth.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

        Myself or an Asian American walking in a bad neighborhood has a significantly higher chance of being assaulted for our skin color and race than a gay person for being gay.

        Prove it. Show your work. Present statistics to this effect, or STFU.

        1. sarcasmic   11 months ago

          Gays don't necessarily look gay. They hide amongst us. They look like everyone else. You can't know for sure until they thart thalking, then you thnow for thure.

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

            Then sarc ends up being the only one here mocking or classifying someone for behaviors as gay.

            Can't make this shit up. Sarc has shown to be the closest person to Jeff's strasmen. Lol.

            1. Bertram Guilfoyle   11 months ago

              Similar to butplugs overt racism.

        2. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

          Fucking idiot denies reality.
          And some of your victims above were attacked by immigrants. How you gonna square that up?

        3. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

          Fuck off, you prove your assertion that your insane alphabet sex cult is targeted for violence more.
          Go on, tell us about Matthew Shepard and Brandon Teena.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

            I just did above.

            1. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

              Not by other alphabet sex cultists, you deceitful fuck. By the population in general.

        4. Jerry B.   11 months ago

          https://www.justice.gov/hatecrimes/hate-crime-statistics

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

            That page is too vague to try to make Mike Parsons' point.

            1. Bertram Guilfoyle   11 months ago

              If the race category is more than double all the gender and orientation categories put together, doesn’t that go toward proving the assertion above?

              Maybe the FBI hates alphabet people and is faking the numbers.

            2. Mike Parsons   11 months ago

              Damn, you just taking L's left and right today.

              Even when taking into account the overwhelming bias in reporting (almost any attack against a black person by a non black person is considered a de facto hate crime by the media and govt reporting, whereas this standard is almost never applied in black on white or black on asian crime), the numbers on race dwarf LGBTQ.

            3. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

              It does seem to indicate that a black gay man is 6 times more likely to be a "hate-crime" victim for being black than he is to be a victim for being gay.

              I'll note that the numbers don't separate white victims of hate crimes by non-whites, black victims of hate crimes by non-blacks, straight victims of hate-crimes by LGBT, or LGBT victims of crimes by straight, etc.

              I find it quite interesting that the descriptions of the offenders leaves out some categories:

              "Of the 7,671 known offenders for whom ethnicity was reported:

              12.8% were Hispanic or Latino
              48.9% were not Hispanic or Latino
              8.6% were in a group of multiple ethnicities
              29.7% ethnicity unknown

          2. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

            For those that don't want to click the link

            Sexual orientation - 17.2%
            Gender Identity - 4%
            Religion - 17.3%
            Disability - 1.5%
            Gender - 0.9 %
            Race/ethnicity - 59.1 %

            Race or ethnicity is attacked more than all the other categories combined.

            1. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

              Doesn't look vague.

              1. R Mac   11 months ago

                Lying Jeffy was lying when he said that.

            2. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

              His claim was "myself or an Asian guy", not about racial violence generally.

              1. Bertram Guilfoyle   11 months ago

                “myself or an Asian guy” obviously refers to race, no?

                Can you look up “obfuscating stupidity” sometime? Consult your friend sarc for help with sources, primarily google.com. That or just buy a mirror.

                1. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

                  Obviously.

                2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

                  This has been the biggest failure I've ever seen from a poster here. Jeff has surpassed shrike for king dumbass.

            3. Mike Parsons   11 months ago

              "Race or ethnicity is attacked more than all the other categories combined."

              Also note the extreme bias in reporting. As we have seen time and time again, any assault on a black person by another race is considered a hate crime immediately.

              The black woman who singled out and walked up and stabbed a white kid the other day was not considered or assumed to be a hate crime.

              And even with this, race numbers still are significantly higher

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

                “Race or ethnicity is attacked more than all the other categories combined.”

                I agree! But that wasn't your initial claim. Your initial claim was,

                "Myself or an Asian American walking in a bad neighborhood has a significantly higher chance of being assaulted for our skin color and race than a gay person for being gay."

                So, are you white? Show that a white guy or an Asian guy has a higher chance of being assaulted for their skin color than a gay guy is for being gay.

                1. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

                  Color of skin would be the race/ethnicity category.

                  Are you saying people who are attacked because they are black were not attacked because of their race/ethnicity?

                2. Bertram Guilfoyle   11 months ago

                  Give it up already man.

                3. Mike Parsons   11 months ago

                  "Myself or an Asian American walking in a bad neighborhood has a significantly higher chance of being assaulted for our skin color and race than a gay person for being gay"

                  Ya, im white and Jewish.

                  From the stat breakdown on all causes the FBI site:

                  Anti- gay: 9%

                  Anti-white: 8%
                  Anti-Jewish: 10%

                  What do you think, is 2x or 100% large enough of an increase? Is that statistically significant?

        5. Mike Parsons   11 months ago

          Also, if I would dare criticize an LGBTQ person at almost any job, I would be given a warning by HR if not fired.

          Meanwhile, im taking HR sanctioned quizzes on the problem with whiteness.

          White christians are literally the only acceptable group that is allowed to be openly mocked and shit on, often by HR departments. LGBTQ people are sacred cows, and the most protected minority on planet earth. It isnt even close

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

            Also, if I would dare criticize an LGBTQ person at almost any job, I would be given a warning by HR if not fired.

            OMG! Your employer doesn't want you acting like a dickhead to your fellow employees! THE OUTRAGE!

            Mike Parsons: "I'm entitled to be an asshole to my coworkers and my employer should be prevented from doing shit about it, my coworkers just have to take the abuse that I dish out at them." Brave stand there!

            White christians are literally the only acceptable group that is allowed to be openly mocked and shit on

            I am sure that is what you must think in your own little right-wing world. Out in the real world, 'faggot' and 'dyke' are still common epithets. In the workplace? no. Elsewhere? Yes.

            1. I, Woodchipper   11 months ago

              I have literally never heard a single person use faggot or dyke to address a faggot or dyke.

              1. Mike Parsons   11 months ago

                They have to protect strawmen from viscous attacks by bleach wielding, noose swinging, MAGA hat wearing folks that run at the strawmen screaming "Imma gay bash you!! MAGA country!!...yeehaw!!!"

              2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

                Jeff used the word just today lol.

              3. R Mac   11 months ago

                It’s always projection with lefties.

            2. Mike Parsons   11 months ago

              "OMG! Your employer doesn’t want you acting like a dickhead to your fellow employees! THE OUTRAGE!"

              My employer (and most) selectively protects the most protected class (LGBTQ) while shitting on the least (whites).

              My employer doesnt want me to be a dickhead to my fellow employees...but is ACTIVELY OK being a dick to me, and encouraging others to as well.

              Again, thanks for confirming this is what the culture has lead to. This exact attitude, right here

            3. Bertram Guilfoyle   11 months ago

              “OMG! Your employer doesn’t want you acting like a dickhead to your fellow employees! THE OUTRAGE!”

              Isn’t it obvious from Parson’s post that he is pointing to the double standard, not asking for the right to verbally attack his coworkers?

              Jeff, you are one mendacious ass-hat.

              You made a concession above, will you concede here too?

            4. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

              OMG! Your employer doesn’t want you acting like a dickhead to your fellow employees! THE OUTRAGE!

              Fuck, that's not what he said at all. He's right, too. Criticizing someone for any reason--even 100% valid work-related reasons--who is gay is close to grounds for summary dismissal from employment. Meanwhile, those LGBT people and others in various ultra-protected classes can say vile and hideous things.

              Personal anecdote...

              Had a team-member come out at work as transgender. One day he was a he, the next day she came in in a dress and hideous makeup demanding to be called she and by a new name. This person had come to me (as team lead) in a private meeting. I had expected him to say he was gay (I was aware of some issues in his marriage as they impacted his work and his being gay would pretty well explain things). I don't care about that at all, but expected that's what he was planning to share with me.

              After he dropped the real info, I said and I meant it "I don't care about any of that, just so long as we can get back on track [with the job]. However, being only human and having known you for some years a [man's name], I'm 100% sure I will slip up and call you [man's name] instead of [new female name]. I promise it will not be intentional, so bear with me."

              A week later she came into my office and said "I bet you watch tranny porn. All you straight white guys love to watch tranny porn." And kept at it for some minutes in the same vein. First, you're wrong, very wrong and then I said I thought even bringing it up was very inappropriate and that I'd appreciate it if there were no repeats. But there were repeats of similar behavior, slandering me personally and because I was a straight white male.

              It really pissed me off, since I'd always thought we had a pretty good work friendship (good enough that he had shared some of his marital problems with me in private conversations).

              Fortunately, she left the company on her own accord a very short time later, so I didn't have to go through HR but I was about to.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

        I remember recently someone wrote an article about "Hate crimes against Asians" regarding statistics that showed that some 60% (or something like that) of mugging victims in SF were Asian. Which fell apart quickly when it was pointed out that since 60% (or something like that) of SF population is Asian, so if you mugged people completely at random, you'd likely get something like 60% of the victims to be Asian.

        1. soldiermedic76   11 months ago

          Remember they did the same thing with Ferguson, MO after the fake hands up don't shoot bullshit. City is majority black, can't remember the exact percentage but really high, and the media tried showing that because the majority of traffic stops were of black motorists that that proved the police force was racists. If I remember correctly the percent was actually less than the percent of the cities population that was black.

        2. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

          From SF Chronicle:

          In the post-pandemic era, many older residents still
          don’t feel safe, even though reported hate crimes targeting Asian people are
          down from their 2021 peak. San Francisco police investigated 14 incidents that
          it believed merited anti-Asian hate crime charges in 2023, police Sgt. Jamie
          Hyun of the Special Investigations Division said at the hearing. By comparison,
          there were six such incidents in 2022, 60 in 2021 and 10 in 2020. Hyun said
          that one person was responsible for 40 to 45 of the 2021 incidents and that one
          person was responsible for about half of the incidents in 2023.
          Of the 41 hate
          crime cases pending in the district attorney’s office, 25 are race-based crimes
          and 13 are anti-Asian hate crimes, said Nancy Tung, chief of the Vulnerable
          Victims Unit.

    3. Bertram Guilfoyle   11 months ago

      “leapt over the bar and grabbed a box cutter”

      Something about this smells like bullshit.

      1. Spiritus Mundi   11 months ago

        fought secret service from the back of the limo and grabbed the wheel

        People believe what they want to be true.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

          Be fair. Devout sheeple believe what they are told is true. Or "true".

      2. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

        Hey, you see box cutters on the bar all the time!

      3. Mike Parsons   11 months ago

        "This is MAGA country!!", he yelled

    4. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

      Oh and by the way, all of these stories are just from last year. They are not from the distant past.

      And all the stories I pulled are just from last month.

    5. I, Woodchipper   11 months ago

      .Where is the story of the straight guy being murdered because he was acting too ‘flamboyant’?

      Lol can you find one story of a sacred gay being murdered by rednecks? Find me one. One the other hand i can find you at least one story from last year of a white american person being killed simply for being white.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

        Found one for Jeff to deny and even using one of his sacred non partisan sites.

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/03/05/kill-all-white-people-accused-killer-who-targeted-white-victims-now-charged-in-six-deaths/

        And another.

        https://ktla.com/news/black-fresno-man-fed-up-with-racism-when-he-killed-4-white-men-gets-life-in-prison/

        The very ideology jeff promotes as the basis.

      2. BYODB   11 months ago

        Doesn't matter anyway, vastly more straight people are killed every year and no one is really clutching their pearls about that.

        It's a nonsense comparison. Given so many are murdered, one might assume there are some psycho nonsense reasons they got killed for, probably including flamboyant behavior.

        The weird thing is so many of them are murdered by a particular group and it doesn't meet the criteria of a 'hate crime', but oh well I guess.

    6. I, Woodchipper   11 months ago

      And let's not even get started on the tranny mass shooter epidemic.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

        Shhhh.

    7. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

      "Where is the story of the gay guy who, when told by the guy next to him at the bar that he’s straight, leapt over the bar and grabbed a box cutter and started to assault the straight guy?"

      Did you get the abandoned script for the Bud Light TV ad, that was going to star Dylan Mulvaney? The one the execs liked but decided might be too confusing?

    8. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

      When someone posts a series of similar stories--as I did a few weeks back with a bunch of stories showing an apparent malaise about immigrant crimes (primarily rapes and child exploitation) in Europe--I recall you dismiss them as racist anecdotes that don't prove anything and accuse them (me) of trying to paint all immigrants with a broad brush (ignoring, studiously, the notion that I was questioning Europe's response to and excuses for rapes and not at all about immigrants).

      What do these anecdotes prove other than some bad things happened to some gay people, maybe (unclear in some cases) simply because they were gay?

      They don't demonstrate anything about gays as a group, or about their perpetrators as a group (although perhaps as to their specific perpetrators as awful people who deserve anything they get).

      I've never said, implied, intimated that anyone ever deserves to be assaulted, raped, killed, etc. because of their orientation or immigration status. I have said rapists belong in prison (or worse), child molesters belong in prison (or worse), people who assault, rob, murder, anyone deserves what they get.

  18. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

    'But Hitt would give no further detail or specifics, and Biden lackeys are working overtime to stretch the truth to try to pacify fellow Democrats and onlookers, so it's not a stretch to wonder if Hitt is being forthright.'

    The last episode of truth-stretching of this magnitude might have been during the final days of the Saddam Hussein regime. And the Democrats are challenging the Nazi Party of 1930s Germany for regime propaganda.

  19. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

    'When Democrats speculate about a 'mini-primary' or 'open convention,' what they mean is that these delegates, along with the 37 'uncommitted' delegates and the eight won by candidates who dropped out already, could vote for whoever they wanted to."'

    Uh, sure. While the Democrat minions get excited about a "free" process, the insider DNC machine factions will fight over and then choose the "right" candidate--that's democracy. Or (D)emocracy.

    1. Social Justice is neither   11 months ago

      Remember, preserving "our democracy" means locking the populace out of any meaningful voice in running the country because party elites know better. Happened to Bernie, it will probably happen here, hell 2020 was more backroom deal than the will of the people in the DNC primary.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

        hell 2020 was more backroom deal than the will of the people in the DNC primary.

        DNC primary? It was a full-bore psyop by the entire political and corporate establishment, fully bragged about in Time after the inauguration.

        It’s why if Trump actually wins this time, even that result shouldn’t be trusted, because he’s being allowed to take office for very specific reasons that will only benefit those people, whether it’s a full-on economic collapse that won’t ever touch them, an excuse to further accelerate their marxist syndicalism and cultural deviancy, or some other long-term goal.

        The reason these people all flipped out in 2016 was specifically because they didn't think he was going to win, and they hadn't locked down their ballot stuffing operations yet. That's not the case anymore.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

          I will say it again: the Democrats created Trump.

          I have always thought it was largely unintentional, at least at first. But I supposed the DNC Star Chamber could be playing a long game.

    2. Mike Parsons   11 months ago

      Ya, the main thing party elites are worried about is having Biden drop out, and shoving Kamala to the side in time to get their machine going to make their choice the de facto candidate, tell the democrat voters who the nominee is (again, not ask them), and get everyone in line in a neat and orderly fashion.

      Biden's stubbornness (and their prior support of his 'definitely sharp' mental state) is really getting in the way of them shoving democracy down their voters throats good and hard

  20. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

    "At least ten times in the past two months, tens of thousands of people had their days ruined by a failure of one of the most fundamental pieces of infrastructure in America: the electrical system that powers Amtrak and New Jersey Transit trains on the Northeast Corridor"

    Welcome to the climate justice future. Nobody needs 23 hours of train service (and nobody outside the inner party needs personal transportation).

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

      Late stage socialism.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

        Long socialism?

    2. Longtobefree   11 months ago

      80% of the country doesn't give a damn what happens in "the northeast corridor".

  21. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

    House Judiciary Report: Globe’s Largest Companies Colluded In ‘Likely’ Antitrust Violation To Censor Conservatives

    "Muh private company forming a gang to threaten other, unrelated companies to censor media personalities and politicians"

    Super libertarian invisible hands.

    1. I, Woodchipper   11 months ago

      Listen bud. The government wasnt censoring anybody. They paid and threatened private companies to censor you. Dont you see the difference? I am very smart.

      1. Bertram Guilfoyle   11 months ago

        Laursen, is that you?

    2. mad.casual   11 months ago

      Super libertarian invisible hands.

      Nobody expects the Austrian Inquisition.

  22. swillfredo pareto   11 months ago

    Vermont's Peter Welch...Connecticut's Richard Blumenthal...Montana's Jon Tester and Ohio's Sherrod Brown...Rep. Pat Ryan (D–N.Y.)...[and] Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D–Ore.)...add[ed] their voices to the chorus of the existing seven Democrats in the House who have publicly called for Biden to get out of the race.

    There was not a single thing revealed about Biden's mental health at the debate that wasn't already known in 2020. The only reason these congressmen and functioning retards like Stephanopoulos and Clooney decided to speak up is they know they are going to lose. Fuck each and every one of them in this unprincipled lot.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   11 months ago

      With a running, rusty, chainsaw.

    2. MT-Man   11 months ago

      I was going to say Tester seems to have a challenge on his hands this time around. Maybe his pearl jam concert can show how cool he still is.

    3. soldiermedic76   11 months ago

      Tester knows he's likely going to lose Montana. And Brown should be worried about Ohio.

  23. Fist of Etiquette   11 months ago

    Rep. @AOC officially files articles of impeachment against Supreme Court Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito.

    She knows how to server her district.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

      Did she bring her own handcuffs again?

    2. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

      Would be funny if house republicans filed impeachment articles against her.

    3. Rick James   11 months ago

      What you did there, I think I sore it.

  24. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

    Sarc and Jeff the last few weeks keep pushing the 2015 Texas analysis to prove illegals commit no crimes. They ignore data like the Lott study that show rates in actual prisons show illegals have a higher serious crime rate.

    Some analysis was done on the 2015 CATO study, and would you be shocked to learn the study has glaring flaws?

    The CATO study was done based solely on initial arrest records, not conviction information. When police in Texas arrest someone they do inquire about citizenship. Those arrested will sometimes refuse to respond and they get marked as other (undetermined) and other times they will lie. But this information is used in initial arrest citations which is what CATO relied on. So bad data. Other of course being added to the citizen numbers.

    https://thefederalist.com/2024/07/10/the-left-misrepresents-stats-to-deceptively-claim-illegals-are-less-likely-to-commit-crimes/

    Research has shown, however, that arrest and conviction data are not adequate proxies for how often crime is committed. Additionally, the study’s use of Texas Department of Public Safety (TDPS) data has faced backlash from scholars who say Nowrastesh was “misusing data” in a way that led “to erroneous conclusions about illegal immigrant crime rates.”
    .
    “Studies purporting to show low illegal immigrant crime rates in Texas fail to account for the fact that illegal immigrants are not always identified immediately upon arrest,” wrote Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) researchers Sean Kennedy, Jason Richwine, and Steven A. Camarota. “In many cases, illegal immigrants are identified only after they are imprisoned.”

    This is why Jeff and Sarc hate data like the Lott study which uses verified information from Arizona.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   11 months ago

      Jeff did a bang up job today of showing how immigrants like to commit hate crimes against gays.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

        Lol. Touche.

  25. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

    DoJ is working hard to ignore the recent USSC ruling in Fischer.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/justice/3076162/doj-justice-jackson-jan-6-penalty/

  26. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

    Compassionate open borders.

    Children related to her how they were raped or forced into labor while in the custody of drug cartels that transported them from their parents’ homes to the U.S. in hopes of taking advantage of Biden’s new immigration policies.
    .
    And the federal effort to find them safe shelter once in America was rushed like an assembly line, raising the risk that children got placed in unsafe shelters or with sponsors who weren’t properly vetted, she says.
    .
    White said she quickly discovered some of the children were likely being placed into a potential trafficking ring when she ran a background check and found out some of the adult sponsors were actually migrant children themselves who had just turned 18 or 19. When she went to a supervisor to report the possible trafficking ties, her access to the background databases was shut off.
    .
    Eventually she blew the whistle to the HHS inspector general and got back her ability to screen sponsors. But the experience made her certain that the very process the federal government put in place to protect unaccompanied migrant minors was in fact flawed enough to put many in jeopardy.

    https://justthenews.com/accountability/whistleblowers/wedwhistleblowers-detail-harrowing-failure-protect-migrant-children

  27. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   11 months ago

    "San Francisco, Sacramento mayors praise Biden following meeting"
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/san-francisco-sacramento-mayors-praise-biden-following-meeting/ar-BB1pHiPa?ocid=BingNewsSerp

    If you know anything about the SF mayor, you would know this is not a good thing.

  28. Sometimes a Great Notion   11 months ago

    Cryin' won't help you, prayin' won't do you no good
    No, cryin' won't help you, prayin' won't do you no good
    When the levee breaks, Joe, you got to move on.

  29. Rick James   11 months ago

    It’s been 2 weeks tomorrow and there’s no plan. An op-Ed from George Clooney is not a plan. Pelosi on Morning Joe and Whitmer on The View are emblematic of the whole party. They’re taking media hits, too comfortable, used to friendly intvws, and have no idea what to say, so they cause more havoc.

    FYI, Megyn Kelly has been having some pretty good shows-- and good guests on lately over this Biden kerfuffle, and someone (I can't remember who) made this point. The Biden admin has never had to deal with a hostile press so they're completely unpracticed at it. They're flailing all over the place because literally don't know how to answer tough questions.

    1. mad.casual   11 months ago

      My favorite part is that they appear to have, totally organically I'm sure, leapt to the time-tested "attack your fanbase" Disney PR model:

      Naturally, the president's aides fed a response to a CNN reporter, dutifully recited, that Clooney left the campaign event three hours earlier than Biden, so maybe the 81-year-old president has more stamina than Clooney, akshually.

  30. Rick James   11 months ago

    Even members of the media are flipping. ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos, who conducted an interview with the president last week, was secretly recorded this week saying that he didn’t think Biden would be able to handle a second term.

    This was likely NOT a secret recording. When you’re George Stephanopoulos and some rando on the street asks you what you REALLY think about Biden, someone at your level of media (and loyalty to the Democratic party) doesn’t say, “Yeah, I think he should go” and later claim you spoke out of turn. This was VERY likely an engineered interaction to allow Stephanopoulos to communicate to the Biden admin without saying it in an official capacity.

    This IS part of the whisper campaign within Democratic party circles that Victor Davis Hanson precited would take place within Democratic party operatives back back in 2020. It’s just happening 4 years later.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

      This is like a macro example of what happens when you're trying to convince your dementia-addled grandfather that he's not capable of taking care of himself anymore, needs to be in a home where he can have full-time care because he's seen as a burden that no one in the family wants around, and the old bastard won't go along because he's just fine and can take care of himself, dammit.

      1. Mike Parsons   11 months ago

        Having done this with a member of each side of the family (well not the nursing home) in the last 2 years, its a fucking copy-paste.

        Taking the car keys and the guns at least proved easier than getting Biden to give up the nuke codes

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

          We had to repeatedly tell my FIL that his car was in the shop. Maybe that will work with Joe, and all the nukes.

          1. Rick James   11 months ago

            Just tell Senator Joe Biden that he's stumping for Kamala Harris, America's first black president.

            Lols aside, this ain't about Joe Biden, this is about J Biden... ie, Jill Biden. Jill Biden is president. Hell, she had the fucking marine corps band compose a "first lady" song. This woman ain't letting go of her power.

            1. soldiermedic76   11 months ago

              Did she really? Fuck, nothing special and should not be, about whoever the President is married to or fucking, no special treatment. This has got to be one of the most elitist bullshit I've heard.

        2. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

          Yep. Just did this with my mother in the last 3 months. She was very angry about the car keys, and just cried a little bit about the guns. As if she were being punished for doing something wrong. Well, she did lose a gun (it was still in the house, right where she always kept it) but she blamed everyone for stealing it and was going to fire housekeeper for stealing it...

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

            The driving part is a big deal because it's really the last bit of self-sufficiency most people have, especially in suburban and rural areas. Losing the car keys is a pretty good indication that the end is all but there.

            1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   11 months ago

              My vision got really bad about a year ago, to the point where driving was not an option; gave it up for taxis or Uber.
              Had cataract surgery, and, boy, howdy! Got reading lenses implanted since reading is what I do, and then got driving glasses. If you suspect it, get it checked and DO IT; recovery was, oh, 2 hours.

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   11 months ago

      Yeah I think that's right. You never actually see Stephanopoulos on the video but he immediately took ownership of the statement. He waived plausible deniability.

  31. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   11 months ago

    BTW, turd has gone missing for a bit; can we hope some parent caught the slimy POS with a kid and beat the asshole to death?

    1. tracerv   11 months ago

      +1. I actually laughed out loud at this. Fucking awesome Sevo. I needed that.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   11 months ago

      +1. Also, thanks for the laugh.

  32. I, Woodchipper   11 months ago

    watching the demons meltdown over getting their lies exposed has been so delicious i cant believe i get to enjoy this.

    1. I, Woodchipper   11 months ago

      Thank god for Elon buying twitter

    2. Chinny Chin Chin   11 months ago

      Paula White fan, eh?

      If being a "rational libertarian" means you can't believe in demonic possession, then the term has lost all meaning.

      Your struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

  33. creech   11 months ago

    Scariest news of the week: Pelosi says Biden is "beloved" by the Democratic faithful. His work, as a senator, to allow credit card companies to keep f*cking over card holders is "beloved?" Or his fight against having white kids go to school with black kids? How many drinks did Pelosi consume before uttering that nonsense?

    1. tracerv   11 months ago

      She's almost at the "Dianne Feinstein" stage of her political career.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

        Almost?

        1. Randy Sax   11 months ago

          Technically not dead yet.

          1. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

            Are we sure?

  34. tracerv   11 months ago

    "Biden Can't Shake This"

    Jeff Dunham unavailable for comment.

    1. Rick James   11 months ago

      What about Lena Dunham?

  35. Yuno Hoo   11 months ago

    Donors are negative.

    "We want our money back!"

    1. CE   11 months ago

      When you participate in an advance auction of stolen goods, you are counting on someone being able to deliver the merchandise once they are in power.

  36. I, Woodchipper   11 months ago

    It’s been 2 weeks tomorrow and there’s no plan. An op-Ed from George Clooney is not a plan. Pelosi on Morning Joe and Whitmer on The View are emblematic of the whole party.,

    their "plan" is to "save democracy" buy appointing someone.

    1. soldiermedic76   11 months ago

      Was 'buy' unintentional? Even if not it still works.

    2. JFree   11 months ago

      If they've read Machiavelli the plan is (roughly) - If you attack the king, you better not miss because he will exact vengeance if he can

      This is why the 25th amendment doesn't work - and wasn't designed - for a contested power transfer. Even worse now that Prez has absolute immunity.

  37. Longtobefree   11 months ago

    "Hawaiian libertarianism"

    I thought we would get a nice discussion on oxymorons, but no.

  38. CE   11 months ago

    3 or 4 Democrats admit the obvious and say it's time for Joe to go?
    Almost up to the 2/3 of each house to actually get him to go then....

    1. I, Woodchipper   11 months ago

      one thing is sure. they DO NOT think he needs to go because he's senile. they think he needs to go because they are worried he cant win. That's it.

      If they try to replace him, it's as illegitimate and anti-democracy as if they were just seeing bad polls for any reason and decided to switch him. the cognitive problems are the reason for the bad polls but it is the bad polls that are the reason for this talk of replacement.

  39. Rick James   11 months ago

    Wh... why can't we have drones deliver my coffee?

    48 of 55 drones at Fourth of July SeaTac fail recovered at Angle Lake

    The saga of the 55 failed drones at the bottom of Angle Lake continued Wednesday. Divers spent much of the morning searching, and they found 48 of them and their batteries.

    “There will be no future attempts of recovery,” Matthew Quinn, founder and CEO of Great Lakes Drone Co., of Coloma, Mich., said in a statement released Wednesday. His business owns the drones, and he contracted to have them retrieved and returned.

    What became a disaster had started as a brand-new Fourth of July experience: A drone light show. The city of SeaTac spent $40,000 for the event.

    But shortly after it began, drones started dropping out of the sky. At $2,600 each, that adds up to $143,000 worth of drones. There were no reported injuries.

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

      That is pretty funny.

    2. Eeyore   11 months ago

      So you are saying the city got a good price?

    3. mad.casual   11 months ago

      “There was nothing wrong with the drones, nothing wrong with the software. So, it’s pointing to outside interference of some type. We don’t know what it is or what it could be. There could be a cell tower that’s off-frequency. It could be somebody with a drone-jamming gun.”

      Could you imagine if the 'outside interference' had managed to make them catch fire and/or explode? Like a giant 4th of July game of Space Invaders. Fuckin' 'murica! [wipes tear].

  40. Uncle Jay   11 months ago

    I read somewhere the victims of the Maui fire only got $700 as compensation from Biden and the democrats in Hawaii.
    Whereas the corrupt regime in the Ukraine got over $120 billion.
    Who says life is unfair here in the US?

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