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Election 2024

Double Haters

Plus: Libertarian Party fracture, little kid Census data, flashing boobs for social justice, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 6.27.2024 9:30 AM

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There's a debate tonight and everyone is bound to suck: CNN is hosting. It starts at 9 p.m. Eastern. Both current President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump will grace the stage with their presence. Plan liquor purchases accordingly.

Since 1988, the Commission on Presidential Debates has been the one hosting. Now, for the first time, that won't be so. CNN will host tonight and a second debate held in September will be hosted by ABC News.

A few other things are different beyond the host and the early timing of this first debate. If candidates interrupt each other on stage, the interruptor's mic will cut out automatically. The entire debate will take place without an audience (a concession to the Biden campaign). And technically, since the debates are happening so early, Biden and Trump are merely the presumptive nominees; the formalities will take place at their parties' conventions in August and July.

Will this election come down to the "double haters"? Many have theorized that the fence sitters in this election aren't really looking to be persuaded—it's not as if much light will be shed on the economy or immigration, the two issues that matter most to people this cycle, or how to treat the war in Gaza—but will merely check the box for the less odious of two horrifying alternatives (or sit the whole thing out).

"I am praying nightly that there comes somebody else and I think we have a lot of time for that youngster to step up, but I am hoping to God that those aren't the only two choices come Election Day," one 64-year-old homemaker from Wisconsin told The Washington Post.

She speaks for many of us, I think. Interestingly but perhaps unsurprisingly, the share of "double haters" has reached a historic high, with roughly 25 percent of voters holding unfavorable views of both candidates. (This compared with 5 percent in 1988; 13 percent in 1992; 9 percent in 1996; 6 percent in 2000; and so on and so forth. Polling was done prior to Trump's felony conviction.)

"That is the highest share expressing negative views of both candidates in surveys conducted at about this point in the election cycle by the Center and other organizations dating back to the 1988 election," notes the Pew Research Center. "And it's nearly twice as high as four years ago, when 13% of Americans expressed unfavorable opinions of both Biden and Trump."

Where are today's illegal immigrants from? Since 2014, more than 4.1 million migrants have crossed illegally into the United States. The Washington Post attempted to discern where specifically those migrants have come from, and whether the second wave of migrants—post-pandemic, circa 2021—truly is as global as many people claim.

For a long time, the Northern Triangle—Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador—accounted for the majority of illegal migrants, with many of those border crossers fleeing gang violence in their native countries. But then that started to change.

Prior to that, Mexico had been the largest source of new illegal immigrants in the United States. In the late aughts, migration from there declined, but in the last few years there's been an uptick. "The population of unauthorized immigrants from Mexico dropped by 900,000 from 2017 to 2021, to 4.1 million," reports Pew.

In one month alone—September 2023—over 38,000 Venezuelans crossed the border. Since Nicolas Maduro came to power, more than 8 million Venezuelans have left their native country. "U.S. authorities have limited ability to deport them because of Washington's contentious relationship with the Maduro government," reports the Post.

Around the same time, crossings by Cubans, Haitians, and Nicaraguans spiked. These groups have been responding to political unrest in their sending countries. Just yesterday morning, for example, a sailboat full of more than 100 Haitians landed in the Florida Keys; it remains to be seen whether they'll be deported or permitted to stay.

From 2014 to 2020, non-Mexican/non–Central American migrants (called "extra-continentals") made up 19 percent of immigration court cases, per the Post. In the last four years since the pandemic, that number has risen to 53 percent. "As of 2021, the nation's 10.5 million unauthorized immigrants represented about 3% of the total U.S. population," notes Pew.

Immigration will probably come up in tonight's debate, and I have no doubt that both candidates will misrepresent the policies their administrations have pursued and the scale of the issue.


Scenes from New York: I appreciate the social justice veneer used by this Canadian flasher.


QUICK HITS

  • ICYMI: Here's a long reported piece I wrote on how the Mises Caucus takeover of the Libertarian Party hasn't amounted to much. Read it here.
  • Lately I've been delighting in Louise Perry's podcast, Maiden Mother Matriarch. Her most recent guest, Colette Colfer, had great insights into the ideology surrounding transgenderism as well as the secularization of Ireland.
  • A new survey coming from the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia, which polled high earners (those making over $100,000), found that over one-third of earners were concerned about their household budgets and paying for relevant needs, compared with 28.7 percent a year ago. "More than two thirds of respondents took some kind of action to cope with increased financial stress over the last year, such as cutting back on spending, skipping monthly bills, or taking an additional job," reports Bloomberg. "More than 14% of those earning $150,000 and up said they withdrew money early from their retirement savings." (Survey here.)
  • A good point:

This is a perfect example to illustrate the difference between "crime," as in crime rates and reported crime, and actually crime, as in people being hurt.
If you think removing cops from schools actually *lessened* the incidents of people being hurt, OK. Believe what you want. https://t.co/AmHimm63iY

— Peter Moskos (@PeterMoskos) June 27, 2024

  • "The population of young children fell across most US cities since the start of the Covid pandemic, according to US Census Bureau data released Thursday," reports Bloomberg. "Most of the notable exceptions were in Florida, better known as a retirement haven. Several metros in the Sunshine State saw the fastest growth in the numbers of children."
  • A frustrating result:

This is a really disappointing result for basic income. $1000 a month is a lot of money, and the apparent effect on homelessness, relative to the control group, was slim to none. https://t.co/uLvPm1LOdn pic.twitter.com/xmeP2GH7gl

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    There's a debate tonight and everyone is bound to suck...

    Maybe someone's body double will surprise us.

    1. Jerry B.   1 year ago

      Hope the clones are ready to decant.

    2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   1 year ago

      Do they coke the double up too?

    3. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

      Biden has not been seen in public for a week. I'm no expert in robotics but I'm thinking it might be possible to build a plausible double. The question is will it be dark Brandon or kindly old well meaning Brandon? And more importantly, can it beat Trump in a push up contest?

      1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

        Biden has not been seen in public for a week.

        What a great week.

        1. CE   1 year ago

          Probably getting a brain implant so someone can bluetooth the answers to him.

      2. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   1 year ago

        "will it be dark Brandon or kindly old well meaning Brandon?"

        Depends what drugs they feed him. When his pupils are so dilated that his eyes look black, watch out. Double-dark-demon Brandon is on the prowl.

        1. Ska   1 year ago

          As long as it's not double-dark-lemon Brandon.

        2. CE   1 year ago

          It will be grumpy old man Biden, because the triple dose of medications.

      3. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   1 year ago

        The “president” has spent an entire week in a bunker preparing for a debate, but there’s no deep state.

      4. Ron   1 year ago

        Disney has been building Presidential robots for years. for all we know when the debate opens Biden will already be there with all the cables running under the floor thru his pant legs. lets see if he moves away from his podium or is he stuck in one position.

        1. LIBtranslator   1 year ago

          Age difference is what... 24 months? In an honest debate Chase would be the only one able to move around.

          1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

            Age does not affect everyone equally.

      5. CE   1 year ago

        Disney won't have to make their own Biden automaton for the Hall of Presidents, they can just ask the White House for one.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    ...but I am hoping to God that those aren't the only two choices come Election Day...

    Kennedys erasure.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   1 year ago

      They could erase him like they did to his uncle and father

      1. Ajsloss   1 year ago

        Or like his uncle did to Mary Jo.

        1. Rick James   1 year ago

          What happens on the ride home, stays on the ride home.

    2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   1 year ago

      Even Liz knows Chase is a failure.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    "And it's nearly twice as high as four years ago, when 13% of Americans expressed unfavorable opinions of both Biden and Trump."

    There may be hope for the American electorate yet.

    1. damikesc   1 year ago

      Well, that happens when you sell a guy as a uniting moderate and he runs as a psychotic leftie.

      You know Trump is not MORE hated than he was in 2020. The movement was, likely, almost all on people souring on Joe.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   1 year ago

        This is the return to normalcy reason reluctantly supported.

        Somehow they believed bowing the knee to the left would promote good outcomes.

        Can we called Reason LibertariaeE?

        1. Jefferson Paul   1 year ago

          LPe?

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   1 year ago

            Accepted.

    2. LIBtranslator   1 year ago

      An alternative was right there and growing until the Jesus Caucus (formerly Girl-Bullying Tee Party) came along and ruined everything.

      1. Jefferson Paul   1 year ago

        Of whom do you speak when you say there was an alternative?

  4. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    For a long time, the Northern Triangle—Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador—accounted for the majority of illegal migrants, with many of those border crossers fleeing gang violence in their native countries.

    I think we can all agree with them that Mexico was never an option.

    1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      Mexico doesn’t want them.

      1. Michael Ejercito   1 year ago

        The anti-gun cult keeps saying that America is the ionly country where mass shootings happen.

        Why would these people seek refuge in America to flee violence?

        1. Spiritus Mundi   1 year ago

          2.5 million murders in latin american from 2000-2018.

          1. Rick James   1 year ago

            Why do you think American Liberals got so pissed when El Salvador cut their murder rate?

      2. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

        But pretty much none of them even applied for asylum in Mexico, so why should we take them? First safe country and all.

        1. Rick James   1 year ago

          Technically, we don't have a 'safe third country' agreement with Mexico. We do have one with Canada, however, and America is violating it... fyi. But anyhoo, when Trump sought a safe third country agreement with Mexico the media lost its mind because they knew they'd lose their wedge issue.

    2. LIBtranslator   1 year ago

      Republican America was ruled by gang violence and economic collapse while beer was a felony. Compare photos: Hoovervilles are the same as Cracolandias.

  5. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    Around the same time, crossings by Cubans, Haitians, and Nicaraguans spiked.

    I've decided we should set up a second United States in the southern part of South America and rig everyone's compasses.

    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   1 year ago

      Oh so you were behind Bolivia's coup.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   1 year ago

        Yeah. Don’t really care that two socialist factions are fighting each other to control the looting. Whoever wins still fucks the country.

        1. Sometimes a Great Notion   1 year ago

          You will when the Bolivians mass at the Rio.

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   1 year ago

            They seem to prefer Chile.

            https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/mar/09/chile-bolivia-border-crisis-migrants

          2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   1 year ago

            “Wait a minute — you didn't see Lefors out there did you?”

            1. Sometimes a Great Notion   1 year ago

              No, you got nothing to worry about.

    2. LIBtranslator   1 year ago

      True, but Mexico didn't send hordes of DEA agents with suitcases of "financial aid or-else" backed by SOCOM warships, bombers, troops, copters and jets. Colombia once labored under the illusion that their voters could elect their own government. Panama also had a similar fantasy--until goons with guns dragged their top executive out for plant leaves and skimping on OUR gubmint's cut of the action. Every refugee at the Rio Grande is fleeing looter kleptocracies established at gunpoint by "our" prohibitionist looter kleptocracy. Think of it as a Hoovervilles-importation subsidy.

  6. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    As of 2021, the nation's 10.5 million unauthorized immigrants represented about 3% of the total U.S. population...

    I say we illegally migrate 3% of the U.S. population to other countries. See how they like it.

    1. HorseConch   1 year ago

      3% doesn't sound too bad. We have nearly doubled that in the last three years, though. The population of NJ has come in illegally since Biden took office. There are 38 states with a smaller population than the number of illegals who crossed our secured border in the last 4 years.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

        So if we deport the entire population of New Jersey we break even? Win/Win!

    2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   1 year ago

      Yes. Send the wokies. Which would empty our country of 250 lb. Blue haired screeching lesbians and beta male soyboys.

    3. damikesc   1 year ago

      It is always impressive how the number of illegals estimated NEVER increases.

      1. HorseConch   1 year ago

        I recall it being around 12M in the mid-2000's.

        1. Chaino   1 year ago

          It was. Bear Stearns released a study in 2005 giving the estimate of 11.5 million. 20 years later, somehow we’re still at that number.

          1. LIBtranslator   1 year ago

            Didn't G Waffen Bush flush Bear Sterns down the grow-houses asset-forfeiture Crash toilet of 2008? That was when mortgage-backed derivatives based on those suddenly-government-confiscated assets became worthless, and baffled God's Own Prohibitionists to this day.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

        We're not allowed to count them.

        1. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

          Except for congressional apportionment.

          1. HorseConch   1 year ago

            I'm surprised the D's haven't tried to apportion electoral votes to newcomers. 15 electoral votes could help the Big Guy.

            1. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

              They're included in congressional apportionment.

          2. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

            True, we can count them for that, but cannot distinguish them from citizens in any other counting. Seems like a constitutional amendment could help cure that: "1. Only citizens of the United States are to be counted for congressional apportionment. 2. The decennial census must count citizens and noncitizens separately."

    4. LIBtranslator   1 year ago

      We did that when Republicans ran the Prohibition Government from 1920-1933. We did it again when Tricky Dick was bombing Southeast Asia because dope and dominos. Canada's immigration far exceeded its emigration rate. It became necessary for 'Murrica to destroy lots of economies to prevent the brain drain. Look at Texas today... Houses are worth less than ever before thanks to Grand Goblin Greg's War on Women.

    5. CE   1 year ago

      3% of the US population would be around 10M.
      Should we send Michigan or New Jersey?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   1 year ago

        Ohio.

  7. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    I appreciate the social justice veneer used by this Canadian flasher.

    Tiddies for Trayvon. Funbags for Floyd. And so on.

    1. Eeyore   1 year ago

      I don't want to discourage women from this behavior - but the one thing it will never lead to is social justice.

    2. The Margrave of Azilia   1 year ago

      The linked article (I read it for the text, of course) says she does her flashing in NYC, where it's legal.

      So what's she protesting? Apparently the concept that it's OK for men to go shirtless but not women.

      Or maybe she's protesting the discriminatory shirtlessness laws in states less enlightened than New York.

      Anyway, as an anti-sexism champion, she's better than RBG.

  8. Ajsloss   1 year ago

    Bunt single!

  9. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    More than two thirds of respondents took some kind of action to cope with increased financial stress over the last year, such as cutting...

    Yuppie emos.

  10. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    More than 14% of those earning $150,000 and up said they withdrew money early from their retirement savings.

    "We learned it from watching you, federal government!"

  11. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   1 year ago

    Remember those classified documents photos from Mar A Lago...

    It turns out not only did the FBI stage the photos and bring the cover sheets seen in the photos... the photos were just of random papers with cover sheets, not actual classified documents.

    Julie Kelly
    @julie_kelly2
    HOLY SH*T: Special Counsel Jack Smith just admitted the FBI added cover sheets to alleged classified documents found at MAL and took photos for evidence.
    .
    This confirms my report from last month that the FBI doctored evidence to produce stunt photos of classified docs at MAL:

    https://x.com/julie_kelly2/status/1805586898837975457

    Jack Smith had to Smith this to the courts.

    Some of the listed classified documents were simply letters between foreign leaders, documents generally kept by presidents for their libraries.

    So what was the purpose? A) trick idiots like Sullum, sarc, and Jeff into believing Trump knowingly had documents by showing cover sheets were not there and b) to remove classified determination authority of Trump who as president had classification authority as stated in Navy v Egan.

    It also serves to taint a jury pool.

    1. HorseConch   1 year ago

      It sure looked scary to the people at home Toobining over the walls closing in.

    2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   1 year ago

      Jack Smith should be disbarred and put in prison over this.

      1. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   1 year ago

        Bunking with Mike Nifong.

    3. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   1 year ago

      So what was the purpose? A) trick idiots like Sullum, sarc, and Jeff into believing Trump knowingly had documents

      I don't think Sullum and Jeff were ever actually tricked. They're liars who are paid to disseminate propaganda. They know that what they spread is bullshit and it's their job to make it believable.

      Sarcasmic on the other hand didn't care if it was true or not, because he doesn't give a shit about right and wrong, freedom and tyranny. He's just here to troll and shitpost and get revenge on those who don't respect him.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   1 year ago

        Sarc has taken to following jeff around like a puppy.

        1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

          It’s sad.

      2. Michael Ejercito   1 year ago

        I heard a rumor that sarcasmic defended the gang rape of a minor.

        1. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

          Well, Jeff sure did, but I didn't see sarc. Could have just missed it, though.

          1. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   1 year ago

            What Jeff wrote was something so odious that even a 19th century slave-owner who liked to visit the quarters would say "Hey now!"

          2. DesigNate   1 year ago

            When the hell was this?

            1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

              My guess is that jeff made some tongue-in-cheek comments that were taken seriously. The kind of comments that, were they made by Trump, would be defended in these comments with accusations of TDS.

              1. DesigNate   1 year ago

                I think I found it: https://reason.com/2024/06/24/byo-a-c/?comments=true#comment-10615352

                Nothing tongue-in-cheek in any of his responses that I can see. But I’ll note he immediately attacked the source. Pretty sure there’s a logical fallacy for that.

                1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                  The real monsters here, besides the rapists...

                  Correct me here if I'm wrong, but calling people monsters isn't the first thing that comes to mind when I think about defending people.

                  1. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   1 year ago

                    Fuck off you piece of shit.

                    Jeff indisputably said that the kid’s testimony about being gang raped in a public park (caught on CCTV and with tons of splooge born DNA evidence) can’t be trusted cause she might have been drunk.

                    He then went on to say that ejaculating on a kid who is in the process of being raped doesn’t count as rape rape, and that if you feel bad about it when your caught you shouldn’t get punished as badly.

                    THAT’S BEING A FUCKING MONSTER.

                    And if you agree with him you are a monster too.

                    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   1 year ago

                      Fuck me, how did I miss this shit!?! Hopefully this got bookmarked as one of “Jeffy’s Greatest Hits”.

                    2. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                      If the same comment had been made by Trump you’d be defending the majestic nuance and attacking anyone who didn’t interpret it the way you interpreted it by accusing them of derangement or worse.

                    3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   1 year ago

                      Jeff defended it a second time later.

                      https://reason.com/2024/06/25/americas-mayors-say-the-heartland-needs-immigrants/?comments=true#comment-10616918

                      And bookmarked for next time sarc accuses someone of a strawman or that he doesn't defend jeff.

                    4. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   1 year ago

                      "If the same comment had been made by Trump you’d be defending the majestic nuance and attacking anyone who didn’t interpret it the way you interpreted it by accusing them of derangement or worse."

                      America's most prolific strawman craftsman creates another masterpiece.

                      Particularly egregious since he's trying to defend what Jeffy is saying about raped kid.

                      What a piece of shit you are, Sarcasmic.

                    5. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   1 year ago

                      Lying Jeffy: Jerking off on a girl while she’s being raped isn’t that big of a deal. Plus she was drunk.

                      Everyone: Thats fucked up.

                      Sarc: TRUMP!!!!

                2. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   1 year ago

                  Lying Jeffy is pure filth. And here’s sarc trying to defend him.

              2. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                When shit heads like jeff and sarc do it, it’s tongue-in-cheek. When other commenters do it, it’s hitlerian (or even worse, trumpian!) language.

        2. sarcasmic   1 year ago

          I heard a rumor that you had a brain. It turned out to be a lie, like most rumors.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   1 year ago

            Wow, talk about talking about ideas.

            1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

              Never people.

    4. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

      If Trump had cooperated, he would have been fine!

      -sarcjeff

      1. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   1 year ago

        "WHY WON"T HE JUST ADMIT HIS GUILT! THEN WE WOULDN"T HAVE TO DO THIS!!"

    5. DeAnnP   1 year ago

      Have you read the document yourself to see if it saying what she claims it says? Cause I have, and they were clearly not "random papers". But you have to read more than just the little except she decided that we should need to see.....
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/625f9524-6e91-4860-9fe2-735bf11d1820.pdf

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   1 year ago

        Hey retard.... she has the pictures of the relevant court document in her posts.

        1. DeAnnP   1 year ago

          She is spoon-feeding only the part she wants you to see (a fragment of 33 page document) to spin her bullshit. Read a few pages above and below her pictures. Retard.

  12. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   1 year ago

    Trump should start the debate by reading Ashley bidens diary

    1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   1 year ago

      Oh that would be good.

    2. Ron   1 year ago

      this

    3. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   1 year ago

      Followed up by asking Joe why he lied about Hunter’s laptop.

  13. sarcasmic   1 year ago

    She speaks for many of us, I think. Interestingly but perhaps unsurprisingly, the share of "double haters" has reached a historic high, with roughly 25 percent of voters holding unfavorable views of both candidates.

    The lesser of two evils is still evil.

    1. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

      Is that you, or jeff?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   1 year ago

        He’ll claim it’s Tulpa next week.

    2. LIBtranslator   1 year ago

      Most Americans able to vote sense a trap and don't bother. This is testimony to kleptocracy dinning and lack any understanding of how 2% spoiler votes consistently cast for a simple proposition ALWAYS win by changing the laws. Before the LP, birth control, almost all sex and plant leaves were felonies. Today some white, non-probationed, registered, gubmint-approved citizens can vote for freedom (Oliver), Koercion (Kleptocracy) or nothing at all (stay home). The stay home option has been doubleplus attractive since Texas arrested that girl for voting while black.

      1. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   1 year ago

        So you support what McArdle’s doing with Trump?

        Hahaha, I’m just joking, you have no idea what the fuck I’m even talking about.

    3. LIBtranslator   1 year ago

      The Lizard shrieks against both Klepto-looters, but even more vehemently denounces the first honestly Libertarian candidate we've had since her fellow mystics saddled the LP with the Jesus Caucasian Anschluss. The only thing Squeaky hasn't squeaked at is the Green Party.

    4. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

      I've said before, in a contest between a shit sandwich and a giant douche, at least the giant douche has *some* utility in that it might help wash some of the stink out of a swampy vag. There is no redeeming utility in a shit sandwich to anyone (except sqrlsy?).

      1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

        Which is which?

        Personally I wish that 25% who hold their nose and vote for what they believe to be the least-worst candidate would start polling and voting for a third party. Get some sanity into the debates, and maybe into the White House.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   1 year ago

          I would think after four years of each, one would be able to tell. If you can’t tell, it’s because you are willfully blind and deaf to reality.

          1. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   1 year ago

            No, it’s because he’s ok with all the fascist actions by the Biden regime because they’re against his enemies.

        2. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

          "I wish that 25% who hold their nose and vote for what they believe to be the least-worst candidate would start polling and voting for a third party."

          Maybe they think the 3rd parties are even worse?

        3. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

          I thought the reference to cleaning out the swamp would have been clear even to you.

    5. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   1 year ago

      Sarc finally hops on the anarchy bandwagon. Everybody's evil one way or another. Nobody's not evil. Therefore vote for Nobody.

      1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

        I don't know what is more dumb, you taking that expression literally or your interpretation of what I meant by it.

        1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   1 year ago

          My apologies, O wise one. I did not mean to intrude into your monopoly on guessing other people’s thoughts.

          But I sure did mean to light the sarc searchlight, and thank you for cooperating with yet another knee-jerk inanity.

        2. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   1 year ago

          Awe. Poor sarc.

    6. Zeb   1 year ago

      As is the least of 3 evils (or 4 or more).

      I get your point, why not at least ask for/support something different. And that's what I'd do if I was going to vote. But voting is always a compromise and I can't really fault people for considering only the choices that are widely perceived as having a chance of winning.
      I don't love it, but I think we are probably stuck with a two party system. Not always the same parties, but there will be two that have any significant success. People want to be on a winning team more than they want to perfectly adhere to principle.

      1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

        I get your point, why not at least ask for/support something different.

        Not even so much that as just getting other voices into the debates.

        People want to be on a winning team more than they want to perfectly adhere to principle.

        I don't understand that. They want to brag and say they voted for the winner? Why? It's not slavery if the slave chooses his master?

        1. Zeb   1 year ago

          I agree about the debates. I would like to see that and I think it would improve the political discourse. But who is in a position to make that happen and has any incentive to do so?

          Sadly, I think a lot of people want to be that kind of slave.

          1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

            But who is in a position to make that happen and has any incentive to do so?

            The 25% of voters who hate both candidates?

            1. Zeb   1 year ago

              OK. If they can be convinced to vote third party. I guess that's probably the first step to getting other candidates in high profile debates.

              1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                The problem has always been that there aren’t enough dissatisfied voters to make a difference, and that was true when we’re talking about 10 or 15 percent. But 25%? That’s hopeful. And we're only talking about voters here. What about people who are so disgusted that they don't vote at all? If they join that 25% then things could actually change.

  14. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   1 year ago

    New evidence including Hunters signature showing he lied to court and he was an executive officer for Burnham Asset Management. The investment firm that had an Indian tribe issue fake bonds and sent Devon Archer to jail.

    https://justthenews.com/accountability/political-ethics/hunter-biden-signed-employment-agreement-firm-he-distanced-himself

    1. HorseConch   1 year ago

      He's such a sympathetic guy. He has been the victim of crack addiction, russian disinformation, and a bad luck in business partners. Hunter and Uncle Jim somehow managed to bad luck into a whole pile of business partners that ended up in prison. How good would your business dealings look if all kinds of criminals were luring you into their webs?

    2. Jerry B.   1 year ago

      I found this interesting.

      “It is the signature Hunter Biden wrote on his Social Security card dated 9/20/12."

      Why would Hunter not have a Social Security card until 2012? Did he pay Social Security taxes before that?

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   1 year ago

        Meh. I had to order a replacement. The one my parents got was kind of old.

  15. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    The population of young children fell across most US cities since the start of the Covid pandemic...

    REASON IS BLAMING THE VAX. Read between the lines here.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

      Several metros in the Sunshine State saw the fastest growth in the numbers of children.

      And sudden growth spurt of new blue voters probably.

      1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

        He said spurt.

    2. Jerry B.   1 year ago

      The commentariat on the Washington Post have a script they copy and paste about how important it is for new immigrants to come and replace our shrinking population.

      1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

        I thought a smaller population was good for the planet.

      2. Michael Ejercito   1 year ago

        You have to pay to be able to comment on the Washington Post.

        1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

          What kind of crazy publication would consider that idea?

    3. LIBtranslator   1 year ago

      Lizard Squeaky Fromme does not speak for Reason. The Big Tent requires Antichoice coercion also be platformed.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   1 year ago

        Sqrlsy, is that you?

        1. Rick James   1 year ago

          The Gay Porn version, yes.

      2. Dillinger   1 year ago

        seems kinda (D) and lacking in liberty for some.

    4. CE   1 year ago

      Or people with kids got out of the cities, because they became unlivable.

      1. Zeb   1 year ago

        Unlivable might be a bit strong (people do live there). But I can't imagine how awful it must have been raising a kid in a city while all the covid insanity was in full swing.

  16. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   1 year ago

    Democrat in Texas blames Trump for rape and murder of young girl by illegals who crossed under Biden. But the more disturbing part is how someone who appears as dumb as she is gets to be a judge. Listen to her speak during the video. Not one ounce of intelligence.

    https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1805989280898220413

    Video in link.

    1. HorseConch   1 year ago

      She may have gone to the same law school as the judged that just got canned in GA for whacking a cop with her tit hanging out drunk.

    2. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      This is why chicks can’t be in charge of things.

      1. Dillinger   1 year ago

        Repeal the 19th! isn't just a slogan it's a lifestyle.

        1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

          Read a debate on bears if you doubt him. Not even trunk bears, sidewalk(?) bears.

          1. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   1 year ago

            Fuck off, troll. I hope a furious dad catches you.

    3. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

      The shock on her face when challenged by the reporter is classic. But as far as scary judges go she can't beat this one.
      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/judge-arrested-at-atlanta-nightclub-removed-from-office-for-judicial-misconduct/ar-BB1oSl3n

    4. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   1 year ago

      Man she's loopy. Can't even stitch two words together.

    5. Ron   1 year ago

      Clearly a DEI higher I know kids more cogent than her

    6. Dillinger   1 year ago

      >>Democrat in Texas

      Harris County technically must be in New Mexico or something ... can't be Texas

      1. DesigNate   1 year ago

        Dallas and Travis Counties have a sad.

        1. Dillinger   1 year ago

          exactly. Harris County makes Travis County look like Dallas County lol

          1. DesigNate   1 year ago

            Hahahahahaha. Mean but accurate.

      2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   1 year ago

        Could be. Didnt care more than the video which was shocking.

    7. Jefferson Paul   1 year ago

      Someone in yesterday's comments, I think it was JFree, but I could be wrong, was making this claim yesterday, blaming Trump for the murder of this girl.

      1. JFree   1 year ago

        Yes you are wrong. And most likely you either know you're wrong or you're like most of the assclowns here just making shit up to demonstrate that you're an assclown

        1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   1 year ago

          Jfree has gone full sarcjeff

        2. Jefferson Paul   1 year ago

          I specifically prefaced my comment with saying I wasn't sure who it was. If it wasn't you, I apologize.

          I don't make shit up just to stir people up, unlike some around here (not even directed at you).

  17. Sometimes a Great Notion   1 year ago

    Most of the notable exceptions were in Florida, better known as a retirement haven.

    Which has led to a 250% increase in, "Get off my lawn" being uttered.

  18. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    $1000 a month is a lot of money, and the apparent effect on homelessness, relative to the control group, was slim to none.

    Maybe the opening premise is in question these days.

    1. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

      100 papiermarks used to be a nice amount, then it wasn't.

      A loaf of bread in Berlin that cost around 160 Marks at the end of 1922 cost 200,000,000,000 Marks by late 1923.

      On 30 August 1924, a monetary law permitted the exchange of a 1-trillion paper mark note to a new Reichsmark, worth the same as a Rentenmark.[25] By 1924 one dollar was equivalent to 4.2 Rentenmark.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

        something something learn from history something something destined to repeat it.

      2. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   1 year ago

        Did we just hit on how they plan to pay down the debt?

    2. CE   1 year ago

      1K a month is 12K a year, or 6 bucks an hour if you're working. It's not like you're going to rent an apartment for that. Maybe save up for an old car to sleep in.

  19. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   1 year ago

    Now that Reason has hopefully finished their praise of Assange, can we now turn our attention to others exposing government corruption that Bidens DoJ is going after? Fbi and doj continue their pursuit of hospital whistleblowers showing the hospital illegally charging transition surgery of minors to medicaid.

    https://www.city-journal.org/article/suppressing-dissent-against-transgender-ideology

    The DA assigned to the first case admits she never even looked at evidence to see if the doctors broke patient confidentiality before charging.

    1. Mickey Rat   1 year ago

      That is inconvenient to being a good LGBTQ+ all, so which Reason writer is going to have the principles and courage to touch that third rail?

  20. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   1 year ago

    Jeff's America. Woman with young children kicked off flight for using wrong pronoun, even apologized.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13573511/Mom-kicked-United-flight-wrong-pronouns.html

    1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   1 year ago

      She should sue.

    2. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      Words are violence.

    3. Mickey Rat   1 year ago

      Supposedly, she was rebooted to another flight, it may have been about carry on, and she has 20,000 followers on Instagram. If what happened is as she claims, it is unconscoinable,
      but color me a bit skeptical about all this.

      1. Zeb   1 year ago

        The claim that the plane took off with her luggage is pretty unlikely too. They seem to be pretty strict about not flying with luggage from people not on the plane.

        1. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   1 year ago

          Yes, but shit happens on a daily basis now that would be unthinkable in 2015. There's no such thing as unlikely or implausible nowadays.

          1. Zeb   1 year ago

            Yeah, who knows? Everyone involved is probably full of shit.

        2. CE   1 year ago

          The luggage had to get to the homeless encampment on time, even if the owner was a misgendering fascist.

    4. Longtobefree   1 year ago

      Never apologize for telling the truth.

    5. CE   1 year ago

      Maybe SNL will bring back the "It's Pat" skit.... they were ahead of their time.

  21. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   1 year ago

    Since 2014, more than 4.1 million migrants have crossed illegally into the United States.

    Are these numbers from the Gaza Health Ministry?

    https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/breaking-down-the-immigration-figures/

    6 million in just the last 7 years, 4M under Joe.

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   1 year ago

      “As of 2021, the nation’s 10.5 million unauthorized immigrants represented about 3% of the total U.S. population,” notes Pew.

      So yes. The lower numbers that reality doesn’t match with.

      Its like the Gaza 4 days if power story. Has been 10M for decades.

    2. Spiritus Mundi   1 year ago

      I have no doubt that both candidates will misrepresent the policies their administrations have pursued and the scale of the issue.

      Liz has little black pot syndrome.

    3. CE   1 year ago

      If they know the number of illegal immigrants, are they still "undocumented"?

    4. Jefferson Paul   1 year ago

      To play devil's advocate, I'm guessing she's excluding all of the "asylum seekers" from those crossing illegally, and only counting the ones who didn't seek asylum, i.e. known "gotaways" and all of the migrants who didn't say the magic word, "asylum."

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   1 year ago

        Makority of asylum claims are not done at a checkpoint.

  22. Jerry B.   1 year ago

    …”but will merely check the box for the less odious of two horrifying alternatives.”

    This assumes that there is actually a “less” odious of the terrifying alternatives. I’m not too sure about that.

    Maybe my wife will get my vote again.

    1. Longtobefree   1 year ago

      I've been writing in Willie Nelson for years - - - - - - - - - - - -

      1. CE   1 year ago

        Only because he was always on your mind.

  23. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   1 year ago

    Noah Smith
    @Noahpinion
    ·
    Follow
    This is a really disappointing result for basic income. $1000 a month is a lot of money, and the apparent effect on homelessness, relative to the control group, was slim to none.

    Please stop posting tweets with Ukraine flag in bio.

    But why are we acting shocked? This experiment has been done dozens of times to complete failure.

    1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      Money doesn’t solve mental illness or drug addiction.

      1. HorseConch   1 year ago

        It sure does make it more fun, though.

        1. Eeyore   1 year ago

          To party it up like Hunter - probably 5k a night at least. Two hookers, enough blow for 3, some bonus crack.

  24. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

    Did they think ISIS was just helping these poor downtrodden refugees seek asylum in the US?

    https://twitter.com/AGHamilton29/status/1805764842348785941

    NBC News reporting that an ISIS-affiliated smuggling network brought over 400 migrants across the border. Many of them were detained by CBP and immediately released.

    Around 150 have been re-arrested since, but authorities have lost track of more ~50.

    1. HorseConch   1 year ago

      They had 400, rearrested 150, and lost track of 50. Does that mean they are "tracking" the other 200? I'm guessing that's what they were doing with the migrant that raped and killed the girl in Houston while wearing one of their anklets.

    2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   1 year ago

      All part of the plan.

    3. LIBtranslator   1 year ago

      But that's what "reel" libettarians like Beavis 'n Boothead, Tom Knapp, the Jesus Caucus, the anarco-Caucasians and every whack-job infiltraitor since 1980 has demanded. Open borders as redefined by the mindless means import hordes of mystical terrists with box cutters and let 'em have temporary pilot's licenses.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   1 year ago

        Put the bong down, Hank.

        1. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   1 year ago

          Yeah, even someone who had an encyclopedia of descriptions for all his too-cute nicknames wouldn't be able to understand that.

        2. Mike Parsons   1 year ago

          Hank, or Hinh?

          1. Zeb   1 year ago

            Hank for sure. Hihn had a very different style.

            1. Dillinger   1 year ago

              moar bold!

              1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

                Snort!

                1. Dillinger   1 year ago

                  nobody made a singular word mean more.

            2. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   1 year ago

              Rest in peace, sweet prince. May angels speed you to your rest.

              "SNEER"

            3. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   1 year ago

              *chortle*

          2. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

            Hinh's dead, I thought.

            1. Zeb   1 year ago

              Yes.

      2. CE   1 year ago

        Knapp is definitely a real libertarian, and pragmatic as well.

      3. DesigNate   1 year ago

        You’ll never beat shrike in stupidity, but damn if you can’t give SQRLSLY and Agile Cyborg a run for their money on incomprehensible globbidy gook.

    4. Spiritus Mundi   1 year ago

      They will most likley kill democrats in a big city. Maybe at a 'pride' parade. Fuck them. Reap what you sow bitches.

  25. Jerry B.   1 year ago

    “Since 2014, more than 4.1 million migrants have crossed illegally into the United States.”

    And that’s just those that had some interaction with DHS. Who knows how many got across undetected.

  26. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   1 year ago

    Interesting argument that Biden isn't as terrible and inept at his real job as we think, and is far and away the best at giving democrat voters what they need.

    Biden lies. And he performs his lies on a level that not even AOC or Newsom could ever possibly dream of doing.
    He hits the whisper and hits the angry yell every single time. He creates the straw man and passionately knocks it down. "They are going to end social security but I won't let it happen. I will always be here for you."
    He accuses Republicans of doing exactly what he and his party is doing and he doesn't ever flinch.

    Only Biden could spend 2020 campaigning on opening the border, on not deporting anyone, spend three years ignoring the problem, and then spend this year blaming it on Trump. That is not as easy to do as people think.
    Only Biden could look into the camera and claim that inflation was at 9% when he took office. The average sleazy politician can't do what Biden does. Even the worst politicians have some limits.

    "I've never discussed business with my son." This is so ridiculous it's hard to describe. He flew to China and to Ukraine with his son. The same guy who claimed that he talked to his son every day about every little thing claims he never discussed business with his son on their 18 hour flights.
    Biden never backed down on this lie. Biden even claimed that he learned about Hunter joining Burisma via the newspaper. Think about that.

    Only Joe Biden could have his DOJ investigate Trump and then have the nerve to claim "I had nothing to do with it because I'm honest." Who would say that? Most politicians care about how things appear. Biden could not care less. He didn't care when he was representing the credit card company that was paying his son.

    He doesn't care how things look. Only Biden could write the 94 Crime Bill and turn around and claim he opposed mandatory minimums, even going as far to claim that he got into politics because of civil rights.
    Biden is willing to say whatever his audience wants him to say. It doesn't matter how far fetched the lie is, Biden will say it. And he will perform the hell out of it.

    The only politician alive with close to Biden's ability to passionately and shamelessly lie like him is Nancy Pelosi. These two are world class, miles ahead of other democrats. The best to ever do it.

    Biden has one speech. On his death bed he could still give this speech and it would emotionally move democrats. He lies about his son's death for goodness sake. What other politician alive would do that? Only Biden could run on "uniting the country" and then turn around and give prime time speeches on how his political rivals are existential threats, claiming it's all in the name of unifying the country.

    There are no rules with Biden. It's all a game to him. It's just a game. He will say anything at anytime, he doesn't give a damn about what he said yesterday. He brought the press to his kid's hospital beds in 1972. Brain dead or not, this guy is on a whole different level.

    Biden based his entire 2020 campaign on a hoax. And he performed the Fine People Hoax every single day for a year and a half, knowing it was all BS. He forced himself to cry for George Floyd, multiple times. Newsom and the other young democrats can't hold a candle to Biden, even if his brain is half fried.

    Biden will win the debate because the media has already decided he will win the debate. He will accuse Trump of doing everything that he is doing.

    The media are democrats and Biden gives them what they need. He will say nothing new. He will perform the same ridiculous lies with passion and the media will praise him for it.

    And if he is President four years from now they will wheel him out and he will give the same exact SOTU speech he has given the past two years, word for word, and democrats will love him for it. He has zero conscience, there is nothing there.

    Don't underestimate that, it's more rare than people think. Biden is the best to ever do what he does

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

      Yeah politicians and deep staters have always lied but they adhered to the rules of plausible deniability or at least claimed to be massaging the message. Even those rules don't apply anymore.

      1. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   1 year ago

        They still apply to Trump. In fact the media will force multiply those rules so that colloquialisms like "throw someone under the bus" are treated as literal and hence lies.

        But for the Democrats nothing needs to be true. They can say things that they and everyone else in the room knows is a shameless lie with zero repercussion.

        1. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   1 year ago

          Further on that thought, for a damaging story about a Democrat to be true, DNA must be found on a blue dress. It’s not enough to have a witness and a victim. It’s not enough to have a computer, a cache of validated emails, thousands of affadavits signed under the threat of perjury. There must be actual DNA, videotaped evidence. If the bad guy is a Democrat, there must be Blue Dress Proof.

          And then, when that finally happens the whole thing will be handwaved away as something like puritans being upset about sex, rather than a president lying under oath.

          For a damaging story about a Republican to be true, nothing has to be true at all. Third-hand hearsay about hookers and pee, a smile on a face, or a sarcastic tweet or phrase taken out of context can make even the most absurd conclusion be portrayed as fact and conveyed as truth in perpetuity.

          Even after the media acknowledges it as 'misspoken' someone just has to say it again and they'll all nod along like it was the truth.

          I don't think that even under the Nazi and Soviet propaganda mills they were this boldfaced.

          1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   1 year ago

            "...Third-hand hearsay about hookers and pee, a smile on a face, or a sarcastic tweet or phrase taken out of context can make even the most absurd conclusion be portrayed as fact and conveyed as truth in perpetuity..."

            TDS-addled shit ducksalad was here yesterday claiming Trump wanted to have sex with his daughter based on this sort of "evidence".

            1. ducksalad (5/30 bad, really!)   1 year ago

              I gave him credit for not acting on his openly expressed desires.
              I also pointed out that the evidence of Chase Oliver being a pedophile is much weaker than the evidence against either Joe Biden or Donald Trump.

  27. LIBtranslator   1 year ago

    Who let Squeaky Fromme II in? Shouldn't she and Zacko be out waving guns at the Libertarian candidate?

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   1 year ago

      Shouldn’t you be outside with some sandwich board about Comstock and Nixon?

    2. MT-Man   1 year ago

      Modern references would be appreciated...

  28. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   1 year ago

    Paging JFucked!
    "Covid is surging again—you may want to mask up in these 3 scenarios, says infectious diseases doctor"
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/covid-is-surging-again-you-may-want-to-mask-up-in-these-3-scenarios-says-infectious-diseases-doctor/ar-AA1goCCE

    1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      Guess the vaccines aren’t 100% safe and effective with no downsides?

    2. Zeb   1 year ago

      Oh my god, who the fuck are these people? It's fucking over. It is a bad cold (at worst).

      1. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   1 year ago

        "Oh my god, who the fuck are these people?"

        They're JFree, but with power.

        1. Dillinger   1 year ago

          not if we ignore them altogether what's the name for the Reverse-Cloward-Piven?

          1. tracerv   1 year ago

            Ignore with extreme prejudice.

      2. A Thinking Mind   1 year ago

        Even if it wasn't, wearing a talisman to ward off the miasma isn't helpful. Masking is not a very good suggestion for people worried about their health.

        1. Zeb   1 year ago

          Indeed. It amazes me how many people fail to see that point and just go with "well, it can't hurt". But if people are convinced that masks actually do provide significant personal protection, either for the wearer or those around them, and behave accordingly, then inaccurate promotion of masks is actually increasing risk.

    3. Eeyore   1 year ago

      I still see young college kids in masks. This group has really embraced the derangement.

      1. CE   1 year ago

        They are getting less oxygen to their developing brains, from wearing masks for 4 years.

    4. CE   1 year ago

      Even if COVID is surging again, why would you mask up when it didn't work before?

      1. Eeyore   1 year ago

        Cargo cult.

      2. Jefferson Paul   1 year ago

        Is there a better way to virtue signal you're against Trump?

  29. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   1 year ago

    Want some dope money? Be truant for a week or so:

    "Oakland Unified pays students $50 a week to go to school"OAKLAND, Calif. - A pilot group of Oakland Unified School District students at seven school sites have been getting paid $50 a week – if they have perfect attendance.
    The 10-week program, run by a group known as the Equitable Design Project, now has nearly 100 students enrolled, according to the San Francisco Chronicle, which first reported about the unusual incentive..."
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/careers/oakland-unified-pays-students-50-a-week-to-go-to-school/ar-BB1oX1TE?ocid=BingNewsSerp

    1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      Only 100 students can manage to go to school?

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   1 year ago

        It's Oakland.

    2. Eeyore   1 year ago

      Future unintended consequences episode?

  30. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

    I appreciate the social justice veneer used by this Canadian flasher.

    Looks like a fun person.

    1. Zeb   1 year ago

      I approve.

      The fit fox further feels that all people should proudly publicize their privates.
      Nice alliteration.

      1. Ajsloss   1 year ago

        The fit fox further feels that all folks should fearlessly flaunt their formerly fig-leafed fuck-organs.

      2. Jefferson Paul   1 year ago

        The whole article was full of alliterative sentences.

    2. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   1 year ago

      “It’s normal to be nude,” insisted the blonde.

      Outside of a few jungle tribes, I can't think of a time or a place where that is normal.

      If 99.9% of humanity has been wearing clothes, including Neanderthals, Denisovans, H. habilis and late H. erectus, I'd say she's the outlier. I was just reading the other day about the ornate clothing styles of the Ancient North Eurasians 25,000 years ago. 18th century Versailles had nothing on them for quality and the sheer amount of complexity in their substantial garments.

      1. Zeb   1 year ago

        Beaches in some places, I guess.

        But yeah, you can't really claim something is normal if it is remarkable enough to get a writeup in the NY Post.

      2. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

        Nude recreation is a $4 billion-per-year industry in Florida

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJZVVrnyLM8

  31. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   1 year ago

    "There's a debate tonight and everyone is bound to suck:..."

    FOAD, TDS-addled pile of shit.

  32. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

    "into the ideology surrounding transgenderism"

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/06/25/its-time-for-gay-people-to-turn-our-backs-on-pride/

    Many of those who call themselves ‘nonbinary’ are similarly vocal, but there is no serious comparison to be made between the historical persecution of homosexuals and experiencing some pushback when you demand that others refer to you as ‘they’ or ‘them’. Coming out as gay in 1970 increased the risk of being violently assaulted; coming out as ‘nonbinary’ today only increases one’s chances of being employed at the BBC.

    Of course, all of this must be symptomatic of the developing cult of victimhood in the Western world. Ironically, there is now power in being the victim. Those who claim to be ‘marginalised’ are able to get people fired, drive them from public life, and harass and bully them in the name of ‘progress’. Who would have thought there was so much clout in being oppressed?

    Far from being a collective gesture of unity, Pride is now widely interpreted as a celebration of homophobia. This is because it has become infected with gender ideology, which seeks to eliminate gay people from their own history. Although trans-identified individuals were rarely seen at activist meetings and events in the early decades of the gay movement, revisionists are now insisting that gay people owe their rights to the hard work of trans campaigners. We are told that a black trans woman, Marsha P Johnson, was the key figure at the Stonewall riots. This is wrong on many counts. The riots were overwhelmingly dominated by young gay men. Although Johnson took part in the demonstrations, he wasn’t present when the rioting began. Most significantly, by his own admission, he was a transvestite who didn’t identify as female.

    Fred Sargeant has been much vilified for exposing the truth of what took place in these early years of the gay rights’ movement, and he is now a thorn in the side of activists whose worldview depends on a narrative that runs contrary to the truth. Recently he posted a link to the Digital Transgender Archive on the Third International Conference on Transgender Law and Employment Policy, which explicitly outlines how gay and trans movements in the 20th century were completely separate. The conflation of the LGB and T is an invention as recent as 2015. As the document explains, while the gay-rights movement in the US began in the 1920s, ‘the existence of a transgendered community that seeks reforms did not come into existence until the 1990s’.

    The historical revisionism doesn’t end at Stonewall. Activists have attempted to claim that certain gay historical figures were mistaking their true trans identity for homosexuality. Just as Mormon priests have been known to baptise the dead and thereby convert them unwillingly to their cause, trans activists have been busy harvesting the annals of history for potential recruits. Those falsely claimed as trans include George Eliot, Dr James Barry, Radclyffe Hall and Joan of Arc. People who were gay and gender nonconforming are particularly vulnerable to this kind of retrospective ‘transing’. It’s very convenient for activists that the dead can’t complain.

    While many trans campaigners consider themselves supportive of gay rights, overt homophobia is nonetheless often tolerated and encouraged within their circles. There are innumerable examples online of trans activists claiming that homosexuality is a form of transphobia and that only bigots have ‘genital preferences’. ‘If you’re a cis gay man’, writes one, ‘and your sexuality revolves around you not liking female genitalia I hope you die and I will spit on your grave’. A video recently went viral featuring an activist explaining to gay men why they should transition to female and that ‘maybe being gay is an outdated concept’. An online influencer called Davey Wavey uploaded his attempt at gay conversion therapy in a video entitled ‘How To Eat Pussy – For Gay Men’. One can imagine it being shown to young men at an evangelical Christian retreat for those who wish to find a ‘cure’ for their immoral urges.

    This isn’t simply a case of a handful of lunatics on the fringe – this idea has also been normalised in mainstream gay culture. Australia’s Human Rights Commission prohibits lesbians from holding female-only events on the grounds that it discriminates against men who identify as female. Sall Grover, the founder of women’s app Giggle, is currently in a legal battle in Australia because she refused to allow a man to join. Stonewall has even redefined ‘homosexuality’ on its website as ‘same-gender attracted’. Its former CEO, Nancy Kelley, once suggested that women who don’t wish to date trans people are ‘sexual racists’. No, Nancy, they’re just gay.

    1. CE   1 year ago

      I'll refer to one person as "them" when they have a clone.

  33. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

    "the ideology surrounding transgenderism as well as the secularization of Ireland."

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/05/13/bambie-thug-has-exposed-the-rottenness-of-the-new-ireland/

    To my mind, Bambie Thug sums up everything that is rotten about Ireland’s new elites. Yes, that’s right, she (not ‘they’, FFS) is the embodiment of elite culture, however much she might fantasise about being a zany witch sticking it to The Man, or whatever post-sex term these tossers use to describe manifestations of power. ‘Do you know what makes me special? I’m a queer’, she says, giving voice to the self-absorption of identity politics with its post-Enlightenment belief that your identity counts for more than your character. (And this is leaving aside the fact that Ms Thugs seems mostly to have boyfriends. Is this another bourgeois straight trying to sprinkle a little exoticism on her missionary-position life by saying ‘I’m queer’?) There’s also her cloying sense of victimhood. She says she had a ‘horrible’ time at Eurovision – diddums – and even accused an Israeli broadcaster of ‘inciting violence’ against her. Eden Golan was met with protests by an army of haters drunk on their disdain for Israel and you want us to feel sorry for a talentless gremlin who got a bit of bad media coverage? Grow up, Bambie. You’re 31.

    This, sadly, is what Ireland is all about these days. Well, Ireland’s elites. Woke, identitarian, slavishly devoted to the gender cult, ‘pro-queer’, convinced they’re the perma-victims of history. It is hilarious that Bambie considers herself a daring outlier when, in truth, she’s a chief priestess of this self-regarding elite. If you were to invent in a laboratory an individual who embodied the warped values of the post-Catholic, post-nationalist, post-self-respect movers and shakers of the Dublin chattering class, you’d get Bambie. A ‘queer’ writhing about on a Satanic star and then blubbing like a baby when someone criticises her – it’s 21st-century Ireland in a nutshell. A toxic mix of arrogance and fragility. A showy denunciation of the old religion of Catholicism combined with a feverish embrace of the new religion of victimhood. Out with the cult of God and nation, in with the infinitely worse cult of the self and the suffocating realm of emotion. Bambie’s the finger-wagging nun of the new regime.

    1. Rick James   1 year ago

      comment removed, you posted it above.

    2. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   1 year ago

      It's not even a new schtick. It was old by the time Marilyn Manson adopted it thirty-five years ago.

      There was Screamin' Jay Hawkins in the 50's, Iggy Pop, Alice Cooper, Gwar, El Duce... ad infinitum.

      She doesn't even have a right to hold Wendy O. Williams sledgehammer.

    3. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      If you guys hate reason, spiked makes reason seem like fucking Connor mcgreggor Antonio brown and ayn Rand genetically engineered a love child.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   1 year ago

        Hey, dipshit dumbass, we know this isn’t the real ML, so who the fuck are you, really, asshole?

        1. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

          I’m pretty sure it’s RedRocksWhitePrivilege or whatever it was before. Based on my short muted users list and who's missing.

          1. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   1 year ago

            Same clown who was bidenvoter or whatever. It's most likely DOL/KAR, but there's some sarc and Shrike in the rage.

            1. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

              Sarc and shrike are not in my mute list, but this clown's postings are already muted, so must be a handle change only and not a sock account. The socks from what I assume was the same (KARtikya and lynn) are still present in the list. The set of other muted users (Art, miscontrue, SQRLS) are still listed fine, too. Just process of elimination. DOn't have time right now to dig into the code to find the userid and backtrace it through old posts.

  34. Rick James   1 year ago

    Plan liquor purchases accordingly.

    Once again, don't live in that world where I and all my friends have debate-watching parties and then live-X it.

    1. Dillinger   1 year ago

      Uruguay v. Bolivia @8:00 central >

      1. Longtobefree   1 year ago

        MLB games all over the country.

        1. Dillinger   1 year ago

          word. Cubs @ Gigantes is a nooner though so I can't use that

    2. Ajsloss   1 year ago

      What the fuck is X?

      1. Dillinger   1 year ago

        in my day, live-x-ing took about 8 hours if you didn't re-up

      2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   1 year ago

        Twitter.

      3. tracerv   1 year ago

        Charles Francis!

      4. The Margrave of Azilia   1 year ago

        The Prince of social media platforms, except it probably won't go back to being Twitter again.

  35. Rick James   1 year ago

    From 2014 to 2020, non-Mexican/non–Central American migrants (called "extra-continentals") made up 19 percent of immigration court cases, per the Post. In the last four years since the pandemic, that number has risen to 53 percent. "As of 2021, the nation's 10.5 million unauthorized immigrants represented about 3% of the total U.S. population," notes Pew.

    So I guess this is Pew's, "Ok, it's happening and it might be as bad as you say" moment?

    Immigration will probably come up in tonight's debate, and I have no doubt that both candidates will misrepresent the policies their administrations have pursued and the scale of the issue.

    Correct, both candidates will claim they were/are tough on the southern border.

  36. Rick James   1 year ago

    Lately I’ve been delighting in Louise Perry’s podcast, Maiden Mother Matriarch. Her most recent guest, Colette Colfer, had great insights into the ideology surrounding transgenderism as well as the secularization of Ireland.

    Uh oh, check out Liz “Jordan Peterson” Wolfe over here.

    This is the kind of thing that makes me think Liz DOESN'T wear a mask to 'not look like a Republican'.

  37. TrickyVic (old school)   1 year ago

    Homelessness isn't a problem money can solve. NY is spending around 3.2 Billion for about 40,000 people.

    Sadly it's become an industrial grift of trickle down economics. 3.2 Billion gives lots and lots of people nice salaries and benefits for those who work in the various agencies that receive a chunk of that 3.2 Billion pie.

    1. Rick James   1 year ago

      Sadly it’s become an industrial grift of trickle down economics. 3.2 Billion gives lots and lots of people nice salaries and benefits for those who work in the various agencies that receive a chunk of that 3.2 Billion pie.

      Yes, which is why us folks that live amongst the homeless tents and used needles call it the "Homelessness Industrial Complex".

    2. Zeb   1 year ago

      If anything, more spending seems to be associated with more homelessness.

      1. mtrueman   1 year ago

        That's not what the Denver study shows. It shows the opposite. The more money you put into the hands of those without homes, the more likely they are to find a home.

  38. Rick James   1 year ago

    A new survey coming from the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia, which polled high earners (those making over $100,000),

    ?!! The fuck low-cost, red flyover state do these Fed people live in? "Over $100,000" is a "high earner". Maybe fifteen years ago... or more. My sad little 1500 sq foot house with failing window frames, a collapsing sewer and 1960s linoleum galley kitchen is valued at a cool 3/4 of a million dollars. If I sold my house, walked to the sidewalk, turned around and asked to buy it again, I couldn't afford it.

    "Over $100,000"... sheesh.

    1. Dillinger   1 year ago

      >>1960s linoleum galley kitchen

      mine has the 1974 linoleum still lol

      1. Rick James   1 year ago

        I just got a no-shit $43,000 bill to fix my sewer permanently. Over $100,000 "high earner". Yes, $50,000,000 a year is "over $100,000".

        1. Dillinger   1 year ago

          they're giving a $quarter-billion to wide receivers. money means nothing.

          1. Ajsloss   1 year ago

            $4.9M for a Triple-A centerfielder:

            https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/strawmy01.shtml

            1. Dillinger   1 year ago

              it's criminal I was too short to be a triple-A centerfielder.

    2. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      Average salary in the US is about $60,000.

      1. Rick James   1 year ago

        Yes, and now we know what the dangers of 'average salary' is when comparing San Francisco/Seattle to Bowling Green Kentucky. That's why I hedged my comment with 'what red flyover state'.

        The purpose of that hedge was to recognize that yes, there are places in this country-- and the world in general where $100,000 is not just a good salary, but a damned good salary.

  39. Rick James   1 year ago

    I flash my boobs at NYC tourist hotspots for gender equality — if you don’t like it, don’t look

    Let me see if I can guess which gender will least like you flashing your boobs... I think a picture is forming in my head... yes... yesss, I know which one.

    1. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   1 year ago

      B-b-b-b-b-but the patriarchy.

    2. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

      Gender is a meaningless social construct that should never be assumed.

      But I appreciated the pics.

    3. Zeb   1 year ago

      Is "fat chicks" a gender?

  40. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>>it’s not as if much light will be shed on the economy or immigration, the two issues that matter most to people this cycle,

    lol 2016 – 2020 in comparison to the next four years. take a peek and get back to us.

  41. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>the second wave of migrants—post-pandemic, circa 2021

    you can say it! c. Brandon

  42. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>"... but I am hoping to God that those aren’t the only two choices come Election Day,” one 64-year-old homemaker from Wisconsin told The Washington Post.

    seems legit.

  43. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>... isn’t just a naughty hobby for Eila Adams — it’s an act of advocacy.

    zero reason to not fully support this act of advocacy.

  44. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>This is a really disappointing result for basic income. $1000 a month is a lot of money, and the apparent effect on homelessness, relative to the control group, was slim to none.

    taking econ lessons from an X account fronting a Ukraine flag likely bad choice anyway but I'm glad he learned.

  45. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >> the secularization of Ireland.

    Erin go Naugh?

    1. Rick James   1 year ago

      Erin go bra-less.

      1. Dillinger   1 year ago

        I support this plan as well.

  46. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>great insights into the ideology surrounding transgenderism

    here's some from me with no podcast but up-close anecdata on three separate fronts: it's a mental disorder requiring actual psychological help not encouragement

    1. DesigNate   1 year ago

      Bigot!!!1!1!1!!

    2. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

      Yep. If you go to a doctor saying "Doc, I've got a real body dysmorphia issue, this right arm has got to come off." you would be facing lengthy psychological counseling. But if you go to a doctor saying "Doc, I've got a real body dysmorphia issue, this penis has got to come off." the doctor will say "[looking at his schedule] Hmmm...does Thursday morning work for you?"

      1. Dillinger   1 year ago

        exactly. your comment above:

        Coming out as gay in 1970 increased the risk of being violently assaulted; coming out as ‘nonbinary’ today only increases one’s chances of being employed at the BBC.

        was explaining this to my ever-affronted niecephew just the other day but change BBC into Psych Masters Program

  47. Dillinger   1 year ago

    I would like indication the individual on stage tonight isn't the Dave version.

  48. CE   1 year ago

    The debates were better when they were hosted by the League of Women Voters. I guess no one can know for sure what a woman is now though.

  49. mtrueman   1 year ago

    “This is a really disappointing result for basic income. $1000 a month is a lot of money, and the apparent effect on homelessness, relative to the control group, was slim to none. ”

    I thought the results looked pretty good, if putting the homeless into homes was the goal. According to the site linked to, one group received $50 a month, another $1000 a month, and a third group got $6500 up front and $500 a month. All groups showed improvement in housing over the 10 month period. Same with time spent accessing social services. The $50 a month group was out performed by both the more generously paid groups, and even suffered a loss in full time employment over the ten months while the other two groups gained.

    I’m not sure what is the ‘control group’ referred to in the tweet.

    1. Mike Parsons   1 year ago

      "The $50 a month group was out performed by both the more generously paid groups, and even suffered a loss in full time employment over the ten months while the other two groups gained.

      I’m not sure what is the ‘control group’ referred to in the tweet."

      Will say, this was a confusing thread to follow initially, as its not the way I normally read studies (from an actual journal article, not a weird squarespace-esque website with pop up graphs).

      Regardless, also went in looking for "the control group" which most would assume is "no money". In this case, I believe they are treating the 50$ group (which is next to no money, you could get more pan handling in a day near my work) as "control".

      The 2 glaring things are:

      - similar to public school performance, it seems throwing large amounts of money at a problem that has a separate underlying, rotting problem, has diminishing returns almost immediately. Large amounts of money seem to do very little compared to very small amounts of money, being that the underlying problems are what they are. The difference between 50$(what im assuming this person thought was the control) and 1000$, a factor of a 2000% difference, was pretty negligible, almost no improvement from massive cash infusions

      - The large confounder here being that these people were signed up in a program specifically focused on and intent on getting them to land in housing, no matter the category. If you are being constantly prodded and having the resources shoved in your face, you probably have a higher chance of a better outcome, even if the amount given monetarily is zero (or next to zero, 50$)

      1. mtrueman   1 year ago

        " If you are being constantly prodded and having the resources shoved in your face,"

        I think you're right that merely being part of the study, having researchers taking an interest in your situation, pointing out available resources, and perhaps even a word of encouragement could be more important than the $50. Which is a positive note if you think $1000 a month is too generous. But 'prodding' and 'shoving' seems a negative note, that the participants are somehow being abused by the researchers, which doesn't seem to be the case.

        "Large amounts of money seem to do very little compared to very small amounts of money,"

        Again, I think it's more than just money that is at play here, though more money seems to result in better outcomes. All the participants presumably met with and held the attention of and interacted with the researchers. That could conceivably improve resolve, self worth and motivation, for all three groups alike.

        No doubt, there are diminishing returns here. A person handed a million a month is not half as likely to be housed as another given two million. But isn't there going to be a 'sweet spot' where maximum advantage can be derived? It looks like it's more than $50 a month, but perhaps is only slightly more, ceteris paribus.

      2. markm23   1 year ago

        My guess is that $50/month was the control group - the minimum that would keep the subjects coming back to answer the questions.

        The researchers may not have been aware of this, but none of their groups was entirely typical of the homeless - excluded are the ones that are unable or unwilling to cooperate with such a study, not even for cash.

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