At the Presidential Debate, Biden Says He 'Beat Medicare'
Biden's incoherence and Trump's comparatively cogent lies demonstrate just how poorly the two-party system serves supporters of small government.

At tonight's presidential debate, President Joe Biden made the shocking claim that under his administration, "We finally beat Medicare."
It's a remarkable statement from a Democratic president. One would assume Biden would want to tout his preservation of entitlement programs—given that neither party (and particularly not the Democratic party) wants to seriously tackle entitlement reform.
Instead, here is the president saying he finally "beat" the largest entitlement program of them all. Odd.
The best explanation for Biden's remarks is that it was a passing gaffe. In fact, later in the debate, he attacked former President Donald Trump for wanting to cut Medicare and Social Security.
That's not a particularly compelling explanation because that gaffe came at the tail end of a Biden answer that went from mildly cogent to utterly incoherent.
Said Biden, in response to Trump's own disingenuous defense of his record on debt and deficits (more on that later):
I should say in a ten-year period we'd be able to wipe out his debt. We'd be able to help make sure that all those things we need to do child care, elder care, making sure that we continue to strengthen our health care system, making sure that we're able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I've been able to do with the with the Covid, excuse me, with, um, dealing with everything we have to do with, uh, look, if…we finally beat Medicare.
Many of Biden's answers tonight were an incoherent jumble. The president repeatedly struggled with constructing germane responses, instead delivering halting, hard-to-follow answers that often bordered on incoherence.
Here was Biden responding to Trump's claims that the U.S. Supreme Court was right to overturn Roe v. Wade and return questions of abortion regulation to the states:
The idea that states are able to do this is a little like saying, we're going to turn civil rights back to the states. Let each state have a different rule. Look, there's so many young women who have been, including a young woman who just murdered and he went to the funeral. And the idea that she was murdered by a by by an immigrant coming in to. They talk about that. But here's the deal. There's a lot of young women being raped by their by their in-laws, by their by by their spouses, brothers and sisters, by just it's just ridiculous. And they can do nothing about it. And they try to arrest them when they cross state lines.
Um, what?
Once again, Biden starts with a relatively coherent take before trailing off to a weird, hard-to-follow point that has little to do with the immediate topic of discussion, or any topic of discussion a viewer of the debate would be able to discern.
Biden's transcribed answers, if anything, do him a favor. His demeanor and cadence revealed a man struggling with the basic demands of a 90-minute-ish televised debate.
In a debate, one garbled answer is forgivable. Maybe a few are. A garbled, borderline incoherent performance is bad. In fact, it's incredibly concerning, for at least two reasons.
The first is that Biden's performance makes clear that the president is not in fact hale and hearty as many of his partisans have claimed. If he can't bluff his way through a single CNN debate, he can't really be expected to handle the demands of one of the highest-stress jobs in the world.
Secondly, Biden's "low-energy" performance made it all the easier for a relatively more chipper, coherent Trump to get away with any number of lies, evasions, and bizarre claims of his own.
To circle back to his Medicare gaffe, Biden was following Trump's response to the debate moderators asking the 45th president to account for adding $8 trillion to the deficit during his single term in office, and particularly, how his tax cuts could be justified given all that red ink.
Trump defended his fiscal record by claiming his tax cuts were, on net, revenue-positive:
When we cut the taxes as an example, the corporate tax was cut down to 21 percent from 39 percent plus. Beyond that, we took in more revenue with much less tax, and companies were bringing back trillions of dollars back into our country. The country was going like never before, and we were ready to start paying down debt.
This isn't true.
The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget has a handy explainer showing that excluding the fiscal impact of COVID-19 spending, billions in new spending and interest costs were added to the public fisc under Trump, while his tax cuts cost the country billions in forgone revenue.
There's a case to be made for tax cuts, even when they increase the federal deficit. Trump didn't make that case; instead, he pretended that there was, in fact, no trade-off between tax cuts and an increasing federal deficit.
Biden—himself neither a friend to tax cuts or fiscal responsibility—was totally unable to offer effective pushback on that point.
Libertarians, and friends of small government generally, have no champion among the two major party candidates. Given this sad reality, the best they can hope is for the candidates to at least check each other's most outrageous lies and evasions.
(Robert F. Kennedy Jr. did take part in a solo debate rebuttable moderated by occasional Reason contributor John Stossel.)
In other words, you would hope that the two-party system would at least contain some productive competition between the two parties realistically competing to control a bloated, out-of-control federal government.
What we saw tonight at CNN's debate confirms that the two-party system can't fulfill this task, even when the cameras are rolling.
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Trump agreed. Said he beat it to death.
I didn’t get a chance to watch it yet. Did Biden shit his pants on live TV again?
THE BEST OF THE BEST OF THE BEST!
Refuted.
He did worse than that. All I have to say after watching parts of the debate is, 81 million votes, my ass.
I bet the DNC wishes he had shit his pants as that would have given him a reason to escape that disaster.
I don’t watch debates as they are nothing but gotcha questions, talking points for later ads and nonsense but this morning I went all over the internet reading about it and watching clips. Consensus was the tweet I saw: “Someone get Jamaal Bowman to pull the fucking fire alarm”. Some, including here, continue the “Trump lies” narrative without pointing out the continual lies of Biden during the debate. Both did it although with Trump it’s baked in and is more stretching the truth if that makes sense, with Biden it was outright lies debunked over and over. For example, repeating the Charlottesville thing a few days Snopes finally acknowledged it didn’t happen the way Dems say was cringing. The DDay thing about losers was even worse as everyone knows that never happened. The worst part was the contrast in body language and speech. Leave everything else out, Trump looked like Trump doing a 3 hr unscripted rally. Biden looked like a rest home dementia patient right from the halting and stiff walk out. His "...ended Medicare" was baffling. What the hell was that supposed to mean? At least when Trump lies about something he is clear in what he is saying.
Dems are in an outright panic because there is no way to spin this as they have been trying to do for the last couple of years. I know what I saw. I saw a current President that should be removed from office using the 25th Amendment for the good of our country. I’m certainly not a big Trump fan but I’ll take someone that can actually walk and talk over what America saw last night but most importantly, not only what our Allies around the world saw, what our Countries enemies witnessed.
This is the DNC this morning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UerhqPf3JBA
They can't do anything now without essentially admitting that the Deep State is the entity that actually is running everything. They might surprise me and force Biden into withdrawing, but I suspect the plan now is to get Trump back in office, collapse the economy, and then get Newsom or Whitmer prepped for 2028.
Yep. As Bum Phillips once said, “ when ya’ get to the prom, you dance with who brung ya.”
Biden ain’t going anywhere soon. Too late. The damage is done. Last night was a public flogging, and self-induced. It was a horror show of epic proportion. No amount of Michelle or Gavin or Hillary riding to the rescue at hour 11 is going to change that now.
The democrats’ act of emperor -with-no-clothes always had a certain risk and a shelf life; but they figured that with the deep state, ambient TDS, and the ass-kissing media, it was worth the stretch. Roll the dice. So they convinced themselves that fooling the masses for another few months was no big deal.
Oops.
Joe Biden is the very epitome of the Deep State's taking over the government. He is merely a figurehead who is supplanted by all his handlers, who substitute their opinions, directives, enforcements, and policy implementation. The Deep State is the presidency now.
…while his tax cuts cost the country billions in forgone revenue.
Fuck you, cut spending.
Too bad neither one did.
Trump tried to make some modest cuts. RINOs and democrats stopped him.
Get rid of the RINOs and democrats.
I'd have more respect for his modest cuts if he'd vetoed a few spending bills and made Congress take the responsibility.
Will never support you and the nardz and the red rocks and the chumbys and the kucklands and the itls and the ats. The commenters here are finally starting to see what sick retarded fucks you are. Even mothers lament myself.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Problem is cutting taxes is easy and cutting spending is hard. Congress is lazy, willing to do the easy and not the hard.
Trump tax cuts not only were aimed squarely at the middle income brackets but much like the Reagan tax cuts increase revenue. It's called facts and hard numbers.
Yeah, Christian the ass picking/licking apologist.
What a leftist cuck. “I am all for raising taxes, as long as you don’t touch me”.
Keynesian moron. Learned Econ from that brain trust aoc.
Biden went for the conservative and Originalist vote by basing his performance on the reverse motto of the great seal of state.
He nodded at the beginning.
We'd be able to help make sure that all those things we need to do child care, elder care, making sure that we continue to strengthen our health care system
A) NONE of that is the federal government's job.
B) He later told us HOW he's going to do that. By eating the rich. Which we know is a fast track to total economic collapse.
Libertarians, and friends of small government generally, have no champion among the two major party candidates.
Or their own creepy weirdo pedo candidate.
As a democratic magazine, are you scared yet, reason?
Both reluctantly and strategically.
Q: Do you support ANY legal limits on how late a woman can get an abortion?
Joe Biden: I supported Roe v. Wade, which had 3 trimesters. First time is between a woman and a doctor. Second time is between a doctor and an extreme situation. The third time is between the doctor-I mean, the woman and the state. The idea that the politicians-I mean, the Founders-wanted the politicians to make any decisions about a woman's health is ridiculous.
The man is a trainwreck. This needs to stop.
He pulled a jeff and excused illegal immigrant rape because citizens can rape too, including apparently sisters.
“But here’s the deal. There’s a lot of young women to be raped by their, by their in-laws, by their, by their spouses, brothers and sisters. It’s just, it’s just ridiculous, and they can do nothing about it,”
Actually, the (fiction) book I’m reading at the moment has a minor character who was in a gang and raped another girl with a broomstick handle. An initiation thing, as the story told. It wasn’t for sexual gratification, obviously – it was just to violently brutalize her. (Which, she took a different kind gratification in.)
I’m not saying it’s common, or even likely to happen – but apparently girl-on-girl rape isn’t beyond the realm of imagination.
My take is that the Biden family has a lot of incestuous sexual abuse going on. Ashley touches on this in her own diary. This would also explain a lot about Hunter, including his substance and sexual addictions. Not to mention the text messages about him abusing his niece around age 13-14 and his documented kink where he pays whores to peg him. Perhaps Joe, or Joe’s brother Jim molested Hunter too.
Fucking retard. That's how them Mexicans be for real.
Yeah, Christian the ass picking/licking apologist.
What a leftist cuck. “I am all for raising taxes, as long as you don’t touch me”.
Keynesian moron. Learned Econ from that brain trust aoc.
turd is a lying, fucking retard.
ngl, the fictional character was Mexican.
Well, that would explain the things that his daughter Ashley wrote in her diary about him.
Yeah, Christian the ass picking/licking apologist.
What a leftist cuck. “I am all for raising taxes, as long as you don’t touch me”.
Keynesian moron. Learned Econ from that brain trust aoc.
I'm now wondering when we'll start to see the stats on number of abortions resulting from sister on sister rape.
I'm more than ever convinced that the Dems-in-charge set up this debate before their convention so they'll have an excuse to dump him (by him declining to run; they will make it seem voluntary). The question is the replacement. Kamala would probably do just as bad in the personality and competency department, she's not much better at stringing together words, but she's going to be a lot harder to get out of the way. Gavin Newsom thinks he's waiting in the wings, but he's screwed up California worse than Joe has screwed up the country. On the other hand, both would revitalize the Dems into thinking they've got a Trump beater, and they might be right, since both are relative unknowns.
If they don't nominate the Diversity Hire VP, they're going to have a lot of awkward moments trying to explain why they ever pretended she was good enough to be the VP in the first place.
-jcr
I get what you mean, but she was nearly the most left wing member of congress, they named her running mate, and instantly the press started running stories about how moderate she was.
I don’t think there’d be any awkwardness at all. Psychopaths cannot feel shame, and the Democrat-Media complex will just start gaslighting.
Nobody will ask why she wasn’t good enough. At least nobody that will get listened to. She was wildly unpopular during the primaries four years ago. She doesn't actually have a "base".
Doesn't matter with those two. Head to head, Gavin is a much smoother political operative, and he'd emulsify her. Kamala was always one of Hillary's creatures, and that claque isn't running the show anymore. It's Obama's party now and he doesn't owe her anything.
Do dems really have an excuse to not 25A Biden at this point? Pretty sure all the country including the rabid partisans saw he is completely unfit.
Chicago will be interesting. They may regret the online official nomination the DNC is forcing through to prevent a brokered convention. I think we are going to see an increasing call for that to happen if not an outright revolt trying to force Biden out before the convention although I doubt those Obama team members running the show and loving the power will most likely prevent it. I am sure Dr. Jill will not go down without a lot of screeching.
The Democrats alone couldn't do that.
The most coherent and ONLY correct thing Biden said in the whole hour.
"The idea that the Founders-wanted the politicians to make any decisions about a woman’s health is ridiculous."
And yet Biden was outraged at the idea of Trump potentially repealing the ACA. Also, his own attempting mandating of COVID vaccinations by executive fiat.
Indeed. The word ‘abortion’ literally flips both parties principles on their head.
…the only subject where
Democrats cry NO Gov-Gun forced bodily healthcare for unicorns.
Republicans cry MUST Gov-Gun force bodily healthcare for unicorns.
…as well as defying their own historical premises
The Pro-Life movement was created by Catholic Democrats.
Republican wrote Roe v Wade.
The fact that you think that killing a baby is a type of healthcare illustrates precisely the state of discourse today.
Also, care to make even a single citation on your "Republicans wrote RvW"? Taking a look at the list of SCOTUS justices who wrote the opinion or the concurrences, Republicans/conservatives are pretty few and far between.
What ‘baby’? You can’t even allow it to be an Individual FFS.
Your BS ‘imagination’ doesn’t make it so.
Heck not even Alito in Dobbs gave the notion of a ‘baby’ being there only a ‘potential’. You can’t ‘kill’ a potential idiot. Endless BS propaganda (LIES); it’s all Pro-Life does. Endless Bigotry backed with LIES.
“The Roe v. Wade decision was supported by five Republican-appointed Justices. The five justices worked hand in hand to make the landmark ruling, with Harry Blackmun, a former counsel to the Mayo Clinic, drafting it.”
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/roe-versus-wade-decided-by-a-majority-republican-nominated-court.html
The Democrats know they’re going to lose this time, so standard procedure is to nominate someone they don’t give a rat’s ass about, like they did with McGovern, or the Republicans did with McCain. Their candidate could be the current vegetable-in-chief, his Diversity Hire VP, Bernie the Commie, Fauxcahontas, or even AOC for all they care.
Nominating Newsom would do even more damage to the party because he’s the second-slimiest scumbag in the party after Bill Clinton, and the Republicans can hammer him for his incompetence as San Francisco continues to degrade into the next Detroit.
The really sad thing for the Democrats is that they’re going to lose because of their Trump Derangement Syndrome. They just couldn’t stop trying to punish him for beating Hillary, so starting with Pelosi’s unconstitutional second impeachment kangaroo court, his support just increased with every attack.
He got a huge boost from the FBI raid, the monkey business with the statute of limitations to let the nutjob go after him for a rape that obviously never happened, and then you had the bullshit trials for the financial “crime” with no victim, and finally Bragg’s sleight-of-hand to convict him with felonies for actions that have always been misdemeanors.
Every. Fucking. Time. The public sees that they’re pulling banana-republic bullshit against him, and he gains support.
Compare to Trump letting Hillary walk when it’s obvious that she’s committed thousands of felonies from tampering with evidence to embezzling funds ostensibly collected for earthquake relief in Haiti.
Morally, he should have landed her crooked ass in Fort Leavenworth for the rest of her natural life. Tactically, he was better off leaving her alone to seethe over the power she didn’t get.
It’s often said that Democrats are the evil party and Republicans are the stupid party. The Democrats are every bit as stupid today as the were when they were trying to keep their slaves.
-jcr
...
Misdemeanors? They've always been nothings because they also had no victim and weren't even public filings.
You need to get out more. The majority of Americans, outside your bubble, are not thinking that way at all. Biden will probably win.
His abortion answer considering Dems have been pounding this since Dobbs should have been rote. Instead it made zero sense. The one answer that with a weeks worth of practice Biden should have instantly hit out of the park was gibberish.
Well, I kinda know what he was trying to say, but his circuitry was not up to the task of expressing his point.
Roe had 3 trimesters = Roe v Wade covered differing standards of abortion rights, depending on the trimester.
First time between woman and doctor = The 1st trimester decision & privilege to abort occurs in consulting between the woman and her doctor's counseling.
Second Time = 2nd trimester decision to abort should be based upon emergencies.
Third time between woman and the state = Meaning that if a woman is aborting in the 3rd trimester, it becomes an issue with legality of the abortion because the child is survivable outside womb.
I don't think this was actually true in practice, it depended on the State.
It also turns out that many States at the founding outlawed abortions when some kind of activity was detectable inside the womb.
CHRISTIAN BRITSCHGI
There’s a case to be made for tax cuts, even when they increase the federal deficit. Trump didn’t make that case; instead, he pretended that there was, in fact, no trade-off between tax cuts and an increasing federal deficit.It’s disingenuous to use a forced time limit on answers to claim the respondent’s failure to expound at length on trade-offs means they are pretending there are no trade-offs.
But….., but….. TRUMP!
- Reason blanket response
Just going to paste the tax revenue numbers from the first google hit on total federal revenue by year:
FY 2023 $4.44 trillion
FY 2022 $4.90 trillion
FY 2021 $4.05 trillion
FY 2020 $3.42 trillion
FY 2019 $3.46 trillion
FY 2018 $3.33 trillion
FY 2017 $3.32 trillion
FY 2016 $3.27 trillion
FY 2015 $3.25 trillion
Only place I see a drop is 2020… I vaguely recall something happened that year that might have affected taxpayers. But otherwise, up ever year. Up pretty damned substantially in 2019, after the tax realignment, too.
Thanks. I was going to do that too. Revenues did increase steadily, the COVID year blip notwithstanding.
"while his tax cuts cost the country billions in forgone revenue."
"There's a case to be made for tax cuts, even when they increase the federal deficit."
And this is Reason, folks!
You should really look to see if the rate of change changed when the tax cuts were implemented by going back a few more years. I'm pretty sure I've looked at that before and saw no obvious inflection point when the tax cuts came in. My guess is it probably made very little difference to federal revenues.
Off subject but $4.44T is $27,239/year each working citizen.
The Government is STEALING almost $30K/year wages from every working person. At what amount does it qualify to say the nation is but a body of 'slaves' for the 'plantation' owners?
Is a libertarian site really attacking tax cuts?
But the problem isn't that Biden is too senile to run for president, the problem is he is currently president.
Obviously he's not the one making any decisions. And that should be troubling.
moved
This was Biden, with no studio audience, after a week of isolation, with his team focusing on nothing but getting him prepped. These is absolutely the best conditions he could have asked for in order to be cogent and coherent. And he failed.
What’s he like on a bad day, or even a normal day?
Worse.
.. except for Behind Closed Doors ... then he is GRRRRREAT!
And probably jacked up on whatever bennies they could get him to swallow.
Fucked Joe Biden
Hahahahahahaha!!!
Fuck Joe Biden. Fuck the handlers who have been covering up (poorly) his utter senility.
And fuck the liberal media, including Reason.
Don’t forget Marxist shills like Shrike, Sarc, Jeffy, Mod, etc.
Definitely fuck those bitches. And funny how none of them are slithering in to defend their senile overlord.
Didn't federal revenue increase after the tax cuts?
It did. He didn't reign in spending. This is a nonsense attack from a libertarian perspective
Oh yeah, he reigned in spending. He didn't rein in spending.
The argument is ALWAYS, "No that didn't happen. Ok, it happened. Revenues did increase after tax cuts, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE INCREASED MORE WITH HIGHER TAXES!"
[reading that last part like Constanza "I WAS IN THE POOL!"]
Yes and I'm not sure I can point to a single case where tax cuts were responsible for a decrease in revenues. Anyone?
The problem isn't the tax cuts. It's that Dems argue for more taxes and the resulting blow out spending as if money is theirs and not yours. At least Republicans pay some lip service to lowering taxes and in many cases do it, their problem is they still spend.
The press pool knew the depth of Biden's dementia and not only were they silent but they mocked those that questioned Biden's abilities. "In private and behind closed doors", they exclaimed, "he is sharp as a tack".
The POTUS has no clothes! (Or brain in this case, seriously)
Even the Washington Post is worried.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/06/28/presidential-debate-reactions-biden/
Problem is who can the Dems replace him with? Any of their likely picks are even more hated than Biden
They’re not going to replace him with anybody who can win. They have to replace him just to maintain an image of the DNC as an organization that wouldn’t knowingly nominate the demented. The presidential election is lost, but they might try to salvage respect. If they nominate Biden now, everybody will see the organization as craven, corrupt evil-doers whose nominees now and in the future should never be given any credence.
Either that or hope voters forget that the presidency's at stake, or forget the powers of the president, and feel warm-hearted about the Democrats for being kind to the handicapped.
Let’s consider the Democratic convention in Chicago in 1944. The Insiders knew that FDR was going to die soon from congestive heart failure.
Henry Wallace was the vice president, and if the convention had just passed him through, his nominee he was a socialist who supported gender equity and ending racial segregation. Needless to say the southern Democrats wanted nothing to do with this.
So the mayor of Chicago invoked an evacuation due to concerns about fire. That gave the power brokers the chance to negotiate overnight and they settled on a total unknown man named Harry Truman.
When the public voted, they did not know that FDR was about to die and that Harry Truman would be put in the spot of deciding whether to drop nuclear weapons on Japan.
Holy shit was that bad. I can't wait to see how KJP tries to spin this as a "cheap fake". Immediately some were coming out with "Biden had a cold". Are you serious? That's your come back to the biggest melt down in Presidential Debate history?
What the small percentage of people who watch these things witnessed was a sitting President that should be immediately removed and those who surround him put in jail for elder abuse.
Talking about the rapes and murders by illegal immigrants Biden is letting pour into the country and Biden's answer is "everybody does it"? What In The Actual Fuck?
Apparently, the Democratic defense is shaping up to be, “Everything Trump said is a lie.”
As evidenced by Reason including that in their subhead.
Doesn't matter how the Donk Progs try to spin this ... the response should always be: "Why should anyone believe you now?"
This is a very sad day. Biden showed his age, badly. But what is much much worse, but getting very little attention, was Trump just talking out of his ass the whole time and making stuff up that sounded good to him at the moment. His lies were too many to count.
Everyone expects this from Trump whereas most people thought Biden to be at least marginally competent. Last night proved that he is not.
If you give Biden a pass on the stuttering (which we all should), the words he said made sense and answered the questions.
This is why people think you're a parody account. You continue that lie that it's just stuttering, and not severe cognitive decline.
It's odd, then, that even partisan DNC hacks are saying otherwise.
One wonders if Molly personally knows Biden to make this judgement call.
One wonders exactly how stupid the steaming pile of lefty shit is. My guess is mid-two-digit IQ.
Can you imagine if we wasn't running against someone with as vile of supporters as trump has?
Can you imagine if asshole here found a 2nd brain cell?
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