No One Defended Immigration at the First Presidential Debate
The topic was reduced largely to border crossing numbers, dubious claims about migrant crime, and enforcement bona fides.

Immigration is a top issue for American voters and was widely expected to play a major role in tonight's debate between former President Donald Trump and President Joe Biden. In a section devoted to the issue, neither candidate could muster up a positive vision for the country's immigration system, focusing instead on enforcement-heavy rhetoric and neglecting the benefits of immigrants.
Asked about the high number of illegal border crossings under his watch, Biden quickly took a hawkish tone: "By the way, the Border Patrol endorsed me, endorsed my position." He criticized Trump for "separating babies from their mothers" and "putting them in cages" and pointed to efforts to hire more asylum officers. "Now we're in a situation where there's 40 percent fewer people coming across the border illegally," he said, "and I'm going to continue to move until we get to…the total initiative relative to what we're going to do with more Border Patrol and more asylum officers."
Trump chided Biden for deciding "to open up our country to people that are from prisons, people that are from mental institutions, [and] insane asylums," and claimed that "we have the largest number of terrorists coming into our country right now."
"In that final couple months of my presidency, we had—according to the Border Patrol, who is great—and by the way, who endorsed me for president," Trump continued, "we had the safest border in history." Trump dodged a question about the specifics of his mass deportation plan while claiming that "people are coming in and they're killing our citizens at a level that we've never seen." Later, he would claim that migrants were taking "black jobs" and "Hispanic jobs."
Throughout the debate, immigration as a policy area was reduced largely to border crossing numbers, dubious claims about migrant crime, and enforcement bona fides. Neither candidate was willing to offer a coherent account of the economic and social benefits of immigrants, be they asylum seekers or programmers with graduate degrees. Neither was willing to provide a vision for a more humane, progress-oriented immigration system. Neither offered an alternative to the enforcement-dominated status quo.
On the campaign trail, Trump has repeatedly pushed his plans to deport scores of undocumented immigrants, end birthright citizenship, and seal the border. If implemented, these policies would tear apart American families, severely disrupt the country's economy, and dramatically expand the size and scope of the federal government. Biden has spoken about immigrants in kinder ways, and he deserves much credit for his efforts to restore refugee resettlement and increase certain legal pathways at the border, but his stances have hardened in ways that are detrimental to the immigration debate and to immigrants themselves.
It should be easy for a presidential candidate to explicitly name at least a few benefits of immigration. But tonight, immigration was discussed practically only as it relates to border disorder, obscuring the real potential of immigrants to enrich American life and society.
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That's your take away???!
That was a beat down. Bullpen time DNC.
Well Brandon didn’t audibly shit his pants, so there’s that.
I think they cut his mic so it was inaudible. CNN rules.
I couldn’t watch that. The little I did see Biden looked terrible. I did see Trump deflect about January 6th. He praises the rioters at his rallies.
"...I did see Trump deflect about January 6th. He praises the rioters at his rallies..."
IOWs he defended the protesters?! How dare he?
FOAD, slaver.
By gelling the truth? He brought up your idiotic support of the BLM riots. The fact he offered troops. The fact Pelosi botched security. The fact he said peacefully and patriotically. Meanwhile Joe lied about it.
Seriously? The President of the United States does THAT, and that's the takeaway?
I don't much care for the woman, but Kamala Harris needs to be our first female President within the week. We can't really wait until November.
Jill should be charged with elder abuse for allowing that. It was like Ben Stiller in Happy Gilmore.
https://x.com/ClayTravis/status/1806532170934022407?t=vk8T2efnNfLeGSeMsBlXKA&s=19
Jill Biden tells Joe Biden he did a great job. I mean, how much of a monster is she? Needs to be way more discussed. She’s evil.
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Georgia just announced a new indictment against Trump: abusing a corpse.
"...We can’t really wait until November."
You mean Jan 20th?
We can't wait until July 4th, really. I mean Harris is awful, but she is a coherent adult (kinda). Maybe she rises to the occasion and is able to keep things in neutral until November.
Biden is just a prop.
A piece of scenery.
He's not doing anything or making any decisions, and that's been true since day 1.
We have a committee we know few details of running the administration.
For what it's worth, Kamala is also just a prop.
Fuck off you proggy cunt. Your open borders fantasy is all about putting non-citizens above the citizens and lowers the quality of life for everyone outside the ruling elite but you don't give a crap about looking at the situation for all Americans instead of just your insular need for cheap luxuries.
Cmon now. 150B a year spending on them, excusing them from legal violations, letting them ignore court orders, ignoring excess crime... totally libertarian.
Well, I got one prediction super-right.
That Fiona would say something retarded about immigration?
That's more of a universal constant than a prediction, my guy. 😀
Later, he would claim that migrants were taking "black jobs" and "Hispanic jobs."
Well, that was an easy win for Trump, because black people are claiming migrants are taking them.
. If implemented, these policies would tear apart American families, severely disrupt the country’s economy, and dramatically expand the size and scope of the federal government.
if a million people illegally end-zone dived across the social construct in 2023, how will deporting them in 2024 tear apart American families and disrupt the country’s welfare systems? Show your work.
By disrupt the economy they mean less tax dollars being filtered through them. Can’t have less spending. Rent may come down too. Thats be awful. Inflationary pressure reducing. God awful.
Out of all the issues discussed, *that* was the one you first thought of?
How about you just rename "Reason" to "Open Borders is All We Care About" in the interest of accuracy.
Immigrants, drugs, abortion, sex workers, fafsa, cutting off children dicks. In that order.
What about weed and buttsex?
A food truck staffed by stoned, illegal-immigrants who take it in the ass for money while serving you shitty food in order to pay for transition surgery for their children that survived a botched abortion.
If Reason could fit it all in one article, they would.
I'd read that article, in a "slowing down to look at the horrific car crash" kind of way.
That issue is Fiona's hammer. Just about everything she writes is on immigration. The problem is, she has no empathy for the other side of the debate, so she cannot make persuasive arguments for her side.
It should be easy for a presidential candidate to explicitly name at least a few benefits of immigration. But tonight, immigration was discussed practically only as it relates to border disorder, obscuring the real potential of immigrants to enrich American life and society.
I'm assuming the candidates want to win.
Immigration is a top issue for American voters who cannot discern the distinction between guests walking in the front door, and home invaders kicking in the back door.. Everybody else understands the difference between 'legal' and 'illegal' and resents being strung along by hollow word games and tortured semantics, so come off it..
This is Fiona cherry-picking and nothing else.
It's not a 'big issue', unless you live where Biden has thrown open the borders.
To the rest of us, we hope the Fed Gov would enforce some limits to keep gangs, thieves, killers, cartel members out, and Biden isn't doing that.
The 'big issue' is Biden's incompetence.
Well Chicago, Mass, and NY to name some say they are full. Every state is a border state now.
The ‘big issue’ is Biden’s incompetence
Brandon was babbling and had a stupid, incoherent look on his face when Trump was speaking. The usual suspects will deploy their typical, half assed attempts to deflect attention from Biden’s terrible, last shot Hail Mary to stay in the race, but he’s fucking done.
How his people agreed to this isn’t exactly a mystery. He’s finished, and the powers that run the DNC decided to let the stupid ass remove all doubts. The only question now is who’s going to run?
I hope the fuckers tear themselves apart fighting over his spot. My money would be on Kamela “reluctantly” taking over with yet another old-ass establishment walking corpse for hire like Biden himself moving in as VP. Maybe even HRC.
Maybe they agreed to it so they had an excuse to remove him one way or the other?
They should have 25th-amendmented Xiden a solid 2 years ago.
And they should have impeached him over the vax mandates for violating the oath of office, but almost all politicians are evil totalitarian thugs who like barking orders at their plebe slave class, so no real surprise there.
Fuck immigration
You are obviously the sock of one of the shits already muted. FOAD.
Fuck immigration.
Fiona - immigrate to another country.
No one defend illegal immigration. You know that stuff that is happening.
You still can't answer why people who follow the law to come here that take years, thousands of dollars, and lots of work to become a citizen are less then the ones that run over the border.
In a section devoted to the issue, neither candidate could muster up a positive vision for the country's immigration system
Because it's so fundamentally broken that there's no ability to defend it - not from either side of the political aisle.
I don't agree with Trump on very many things - but on this one, he's dead right. It's Hard Reset time. Seal the border, dragnet the country, mass deportation of illegals. I don't even really care if it tears apart families or targets those genuinely seeking asylum from persecution anymore. I'm honestly on board with packing them into shipping containers, loading them onto a C-5 Galaxy, and airdropping them back to their country of origin.
Illegal alienage is SO out of control in this country, that it's going to HAVE to take drastic measures to remedy. I wish it didn't have to be that way, but the powers that be to date have made it that way.
We ought to frankly take the same approach to gangs, drug users, LGBT pedos, and any other criminals. They pushed it too far, so now it's gloves off. They preyed on tolerance and compassion, exploited it and used it against us - so, now tolerance and compassion are off the table.
I'm not going to go so far as to say Donald earned my vote tonight - but if he's even half-serious about making good on his promises about criminal illegals, I might find a reason.
If implemented, these policies would tear apart American families, severely disrupt the country's economy, and dramatically expand the size and scope of the federal government.
So be it. It's that big of a problem.
It should be easy for a presidential candidate to explicitly name at least a few benefits of immigration.
But the topic ISN'T immigration. It's ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. It's BORDER JUMPING. Its CRIMINALS AND TERRORISTS INTENTIONALLY SENT TO AMERICA. It's DRUG TRAFFICKING. It's HUMAN TRAFFICKING. It's the ECONOMICALLY CRIPPLING WELFARE ABUSE BY THESE NON-TAXPAYERS. It's GANGS OF RECENTELY RELEASED CONVICTS FROM CRIME-RIDDEN NATIONS ROBBING AND STEALING EVERYTHING THEY CAN. It's RAPED/MURDERED AMERICAN CHILDREN BY ILLEGALS BEING A 3x-WEEK NATIONAL STORY. How can you possibly deflect all of that to try and pivot to "a few benefits of immigration."
For fuck's sake Fiona, what the hell is wrong with you?
Yea, I know, language. Breaking my own rules.
But what the fuck Fiona!? Like, literally, I want to know what is so fundamentally broken in your brain that makes you like this.
THIS is why Donald Trump is popular. Because PEOPLE LIKE YOU go out of your way to deny the REALITY of what you're supporting, when EVERYONE ELSE CAN SEE IT CLEAR AS DAY. It's like KJP, who is black and gay, saying "the economy is great." WE KNOW THAT'S NOT TRUE! STOP TRYING TO GASLIGHT US!
Why do you do this kind of thing, Fiona? What is wrong with you?
Language!
I know, pedo.
I don’t think you know what that word means
No, I do. Quit while you can.
You should take your own advice.
There’s no point in arguing with a backward, shit kicker like you. You are the bottom of the barrel of American society. That’s partly why people hate Trump so much. He panders to vermin like you.
I hope you see how god damn out of touch and evil you are.
😀
You won't realize it when they come for you. It'll be sudden and brutal. That's the part I empathize with, but can't say you don't have coming.
"...There’s no point in arguing with a backward, shit kicker like you. You are the bottom of the barrel of American society. That’s partly why people hate Trump so much. He panders to vermin like you..."
One more asswipe bigot I see.
FOAD.
It’s RAPED/MURDERED AMERICAN CHILDREN BY ILLEGALS BEING A 3x-WEEK NATIONAL STORY.
Right-wing media presents these stories to you 3x a week precisely to induce the reaction that you are having right now.
You are being manipulated and used.
Oh, so their bodies AREN’T real?
Rachel Morin
Jocelyn Nungaray
Jeremy Poou-Caceres
Alex Wise, Jr.
Laken Riley
These victims don’t exist?
Christian Geovanny Inga-Landi
Renzo Mendoza Montes
Angel Matias Castellanos-Orellana
Pierre Lucard Emile
Alonzo Pierre Mingo
These criminal illegal degenerate scumbags were just “made up” by right-wing media?
Why do you defend criminal illegals – literal rapists and murderers – instead of American women and children? Why do you do that, FIONA?
150 rapes and murdered by illegal immigrants since Biden took over. I can only name five though.
"Normally I'm a liberty loving patriot, but things are so bad, that just this one time I have no choice but to support authoritarian measures to fix the problem."
That is how you get authoritarianism. By people like you rationalizing to yourselves how "just this one time" it won't be so bad. No, it will be bad, and it is not the answer.
When will you change your username? You don't have an individualist bone in your body, son.
There's nothing authoritarian about it. The United States has EVERY LEGAL AND MORAL RIGHT to sweep up every one of these illegals and send them packing.
No trials, no hearings, no entertaining of claims of amnesty - we have every legal right to grab them off the streets, throw them in a box, and disappear them back to their COO's.
This very solidly encapsulates my position on the subject as well.
The Biden Administration has been fucking grim for New Mexico. We were fucking poor to start with. This has not helped at all. Particularly in conjunction with the beatdown of the economy.
Yeah; ya know - Invaders and Trespassers don't seem to rile up nearly as much sympathy as the 'Black' color of one's skin does at presidential debates.
I'm not sure what was worse; the blame game on stage or the loaded questions by CNN.
No one defended immigration - or no one defended illegal immigration? Specifically Biden's record?
Because it's been shit for the country and we don't want to wait 30 years for the survivors to open up some restaurants.