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Julian Assange

Julian Assange, a Free Man

Plus: In defense of cigarettes, independent voters in the Hamptons, IRS data-privacy settlement, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 6.25.2024 9:30 AM

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Free at long last: Yesterday, news broke that WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange would be released from Belmarsh Prison, the maximum security facility he's been kept at in the U.K. for the last five years, and would be free to go home.

Assange, who has been at risk of being extradited to the U.S. and prosecuted under the Espionage Act for publishing documents—an activity protected by the First Amendment—that the government says contain classified national security information, will plead guilty to a single felony count and return to his native Australia. Prior to reaching this deal with the U.S. Department of Justice, Assange could have faced up to 170 years in prison if extradited to America.

From 2012 to 2019, Assange had been living at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London, caught in legal limbo and fearing extradition by British authorities. In 2019, Ecuador's president was angered by allegations of corruption made public via WikiLeaks and pulled Assange's asylum protections. The British authorities rounded Assange up and put him in Belmarsh.

To plead guilty and end his legal ordeal, Assange will appear at the courthouse in Saipan, the capital of the Northern Mariana Islands (technically part of the U.S.), and then fly to Australia immediately after.

Though Assange's case has been closely followed by advocates for press freedom, who are thrilled to see him walk free, some also caution that this is "an Espionage Act conviction for basic journalistic acts," according to the Electronic Frontier Foundation's David Greene, who told The New York Times that "these charges should never have been brought."

"WikiLeaks published groundbreaking stories of government corruption and human rights abuses, holding the powerful accountable for their actions," wrote the organization on X (formerly Twitter). "As editor-in-chief, Julian paid severely for these principles, and for the people's right to know."

In 2010, WikiLeaks published a video called "Collateral Murder," which showed a 2007 U.S. airstrike in Baghdad in which several civilians, including two Reuters journalists, were killed. The organization, which received leaks from various government and military personnel, including the now-famous whistleblower Chelsea Manning, received retribution from the U.S. government for publicizing possible violations of military rules of engagement and showing the extreme brutality of war, including the massive civilian death toll in Iraq at the hands of the U.S. Army.

For more than a decade, Assange was not treated like a journalist, but like a criminal. Now, his ordeal will finally come to a close.

For more on Assange's case, watch this episode of my show with Zach Weissmueller, Just Asking Questions, in which we interviewed Julian's wife, Stella.

International aid money allegedly went to Hamas: One hundred Israeli plaintiffs filed suit Monday in federal court in Manhattan, accusing seven United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) officials (both current and former) of "knowing that Hamas siphoned off more than $1 billion from the agency to pay for, among other things, tunneling equipment and weapons that aided its attack on Israel on Oct. 7," per The New York Times. 

UNRWA is generally regarded as a humanitarian aid organization that helps build hospitals and schools for Palestinians. Other lawsuits have accused the agency of being deeply enmeshed with Hamas, but none have been so specific as to the mechanisms by which the United Nations money ends up in the hands of Hamas officials.

"The suit says that in Gaza, unlike other places the agency operates, UNRWA pays its 13,000 local employees in U.S. dollars that must be changed into shekels, the Israeli currency that is used in Gaza, by Hamas-affiliated money-changers who take a cut for the organization," reports the Times. 

It's not clear what legal battle may lie ahead. "The United Nations, including UNRWA, enjoys immunity from legal process, as do United Nations officials, including those serving with UNRWA," said agency spokeswoman Juliette Touma.

"UNRWA is the backbone of the humanitarian response in Gaza," said Philippe Lazzarini, the commissioner-general of the agency, quite pointedly in a statement issued yesterday. "In the wake of the allegations against individual staff members, 16 Member States temporarily suspended funding to the Agency, amounting to half the expected funding for the year.…UNRWA lacks the resources to deliver its mandate."


Scenes from New York: OK, this might be a stretch, but I can think of nothing more New York than the smoking vs. vaping discourse. Nothing repulses an Angeleno (or, worse, a Denverite) quite like clouds of smoke outside a bar, billowing toward them. For New Yorkers, that's simply a Monday night. God bless The Free Press for giving us the showdown we truly deserve: cigarettes (defended by Nellie Bowles) vs. vapes (defended by Michael Moynihan).


QUICK HITS

  • "On paper, New York's 1st Congressional district reads like a winner for Democrats. For one, it's home to more of them than registered Republicans. And its voters favor abortion access for women, care deeply about the environment and boast high levels of union membership," reports Bloomberg. "Yet the Long Island district—spanning most of Suffolk County to the Hamptons—has eluded the grasp of Democrats for a decade. It's a failure critics chalk up to the party's inability to field a candidate appealing to independents, who make up 30% of the electorate."
  • There's been major, life-threatening flooding in parts of Minnesota, Iowa, and South Dakota this week.
  • The IRS and hedge fund manager Ken Griffin just reached a settlement in a lawsuit brought by Griffin related to the IRS' improper handling of his confidential financial information.
  • It is fascinating how much of the late aughts and early '10s internet has gone dark:

the way our history just vanishes. for all the nuked blogs and sites, it's already impossible to source accurate writing about the early 2010s. we thought information was invincible online. in fact, millennials will be the first forgotten generation in modern history. https://t.co/6xnE37XTvw

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  1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   11 months ago

    Assange free next up is Snowden. Then put every thing that works for the nsa and cia in prision

    1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   11 months ago

      I wonder about the timing. So much is political these days, and the Deep State is working so hard to keep the right political masters in charge ... makes me think the Biden trainers were having problems with the idea that Trump might bring up Assange during the debate.

      It's not that I actually think so or not, just that the idea is a natural one these days. Something is wrong with a government when that's the first reaction.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

        Perhaps we have reached USSR levels of cynicism, where we know that they know that we know everything is bullshit.

        1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   11 months ago

          The worst thing about having too much government is no longer having any personal responsibility, of leaving everything to government control, and then fighting over who gets to use government to tell everybody else what to do.

          It breeds a society of irresponsible children. Of course the politicians love that, but it reduces the odds of the government's long-term survival.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

            This is the best description of American policy and “ideas” of the last 50-plus years I’ve ever read.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

              Unfortunately, it also describes the new-age libertine/libertarian movement.

        2. Quo Usque Tandem   11 months ago

          Take a swig of Stoli and light up a Laika, comrade. You don't want to draw attention to yourself.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

            Da. I will pretend to work as long as the state pretends to pay me.

    2. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   11 months ago

      The sad thing is that Assange had to acquiesce to the depraved espionage charge, which sets a horrible precedent.

      I'm not blaming Assange in any way, but it was terribly wrong of the DOJ.

      1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   11 months ago

        What has the doj done that is right?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   11 months ago

          Not much over the past 16+ years.

    3. diver64   11 months ago

      How strange that this persecution has been dragging on for years then 3 weeks ago Trump said he would pardon Assange. Suddenly POOF all gone. Its almost like an election ploy by Biden.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   11 months ago

    Prior to reaching this deal with the U.S. Department of Justice, Assange could have faced up to 170 years in prison if extradited to America.

    See? President Biden is all for speech rights, and always has been!

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

      I'm just glad assange didn't label legal fees as legal fees in his accounting books.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

        Safer now to call all fees "payments for hookers and blow". Ask Hunter.

        1. Eeyore   11 months ago

          With inflation that is all I can afford.

        2. Jerry B.   11 months ago

          And guns.

  3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

    One journalist freed from jail, now can we focus on the journalists the Biden DoJ is also going after?

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

      That's (D)ifferent!

    2. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   11 months ago

      The who now?

      — Reason

  4. Ajsloss   11 months ago

    Now that he’s confessed his guilt, who wants to bet that he’ll be suicided en route to Australia?

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

      Prigozhin

      1. Quo Usque Tandem   11 months ago

        Migged. Which is better than defenestration,

    2. Ron   11 months ago

      this is my though set him free to "suicide"

  5. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   11 months ago

    "UNRWA is generally regarded as a humanitarian aid organization"

    Citation needed because when I look them up I find articles about them supporting the Oct 7 attack.

    1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

      The United Nations, including UNRWA, enjoys immunity from legal process,

      There’s your problem right there.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

        Hey, you got a problem with the global elite excusing themselves from morals and rules?

  6. Fist of Etiquette   11 months ago

    International aid money allegedly went to Hamas...

    Palestinians in Gaza have a government. Aid money goes to garbage governments all the time.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

      What about tax money?

      1. Fist of Etiquette   11 months ago

        Lol. Like any significant amount of international aid comes from anything but.

    2. LIBtranslator   11 months ago

      Aid money goes to politicians in Ecuador with instructions to enact 'Murrican laws banning everything but gin and cigarettes--kinda like the Jesus Caucasians invading the LP to stop law-changing spoiler votes. Small wonder the invasion is met by reaction on the part of those betrayed. Much of what Assange's site published was DEA goons looting weaker countries to save them from Satan and the "wrong" kind of cigarette leaves.

      1. Truthfulness   11 months ago

        You can't seem to let go of your grudge; you're so upset that Assange embarrassed the government you support so much and want it to grow for the purpose of owning those "Jesus Caucasians", which at least understand some libertarian principles, unlike you.

        Just what exactly do you gain from all this? Be honest.

    3. diver64   11 months ago

      Your correct. They elected Hamas and according to the latest polls are quite happy with them.

  7. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

    Oooof. A twofer against jeff and sarc.

    There is currently no requirement on federal voting forms to provide proof of US citizenship, though it is illegal to falsely claim one is a citizen or for a non-citizen to cast a ballot in a federal election.
    .
    But millions of migrants with humanitarian parole, refugee or asylum status are eligible for benefits that would bring them to the offices where voter registration takes place.

    https://nypost.com/2024/06/14/us-news/how-non-citizens-are-getting-voter-registration-forms-across-the-us-and-how-republicans-are-trying-to-stop-it/

    J Michael Waller
    @JMichaelWaller
    Welfare offices in 49 states are handing out voter registration applications to illegal aliens. No proof of citizenship required.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   11 months ago

      But there is no proof they are a voting, and since we refuse to look, there never will. - some retard

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

        Ironically government sometimes stumbles on them voting so we have proof. They just stay quiet.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

          Hey, what do you want? Election integrity or the right results?

          1. HorseConch   11 months ago

            After that really long walk, I bet Trump won't even let them have water in the voting line.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

              So, double-plus racist fascism.

            2. Vernon Depner   11 months ago

              Only from the fire hoses.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

      And now you know why Biden and Mayorkas have been importing tens of millions of illegals the last four years.

      1. Vernon Depner   11 months ago

        It’s for apportionment. Concentrate the invaders in blue areas, and then in the 2030 census, blue states will gain seats in the House and votes in the Electoral College.

  8. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   11 months ago

    Donald Trump ran up the national debt by almost twice as much as Joe Biden has during his presidential term, according to fresh analysis of their fiscal spending.
    ....
    Former President Trump approved $8.4 trillion of new 10-year borrowing during his full term in office, according to a nonpartisan public policy think tank.
    ....
    Meanwhile, President Biden has given the green light to $4.3 trillion of the same type of borrowing with seven months remaining in his term.

    Wow, Peanuts, even the Daily Mail has caught Fat Donnie's big Gov act.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/consumer/article-13563393/presidential-candidates-national-debt-increase-trump-biden.html

    1. sarcasmic   11 months ago

      Trump's debt doesn't count because Democrats wrote the bills, and he's a Republican. Biden's debt counts because he's the same party as Congress. See?

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

        You and shrike still don't know how government works huh. Biden EO on spending for loans, on president. Congressional budgets passed with veto proof majorities on congress.

        Why are you both too stupid to understand this?

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   11 months ago

          Please contact the Daily Mail and have them amend the article so that Donnie's Cult is satisfied.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   11 months ago

            You mean, the Daily Fail?

        2. sarcasmic   11 months ago

          THE PRESIDENT: Well, thank you all very much. This is a very important day. I’ll sign the single-biggest economic relief package in American history and, I must say, or any other package, by the way. It’s twice as large as any relief ever signed. It’s $2.2 billion, but it actually goes up to 6.2 — potentially — billion dollars — trillion dollars. So you’re talking about 6.2 trillion-dollar bill. Nothing like that. And this will deliver urgently needed relief to our nation’s families, workers, and businesses. And that’s what this is all about.

          And it got a 96 to nothing. And, I don’t know, what was the number in Congress?

          PARTICIPANT: A voice vote.

          THE PRESIDENT: A voice? It was fantastic.

          PARTICIPANT: I think it was just as close.

          THE PRESIDENT: That’s pretty amazing. That’s about the same thing. Right, Kevin?

          LEADER MCCARTHY: Yes.

          THE PRESIDENT: So, that’s fantastic. But I want to thank Republicans and Democrats for coming together, setting aside their differences, and putting America first.

          This legislation provides for direct payments to individuals and unprecedented support to small businesses. We’re going to keep our small businesses strong and our big businesses strong. And that’s keeping our country strong and our jobs strong.

          This historic bill includes the following:

          $300 billion in direct cash payments will be available to every American citizen earning less than $99,000 per year; $3,400 for a typical family of four. So a family of four: $3,400.
          And then $350 billion in job retention loans for small businesses, with loan forgiveness available for businesses that continue paying their workers. The workers get paid.
          Approximately $250 billion in expanded unemployment benefits. The average worker who has lost his or her job will receive 100 percent of their salary for up to four full months.
          So, things like this have never happened in our country.

          $500 billion in support for hard-hit industries, with a ban on corporate stock buybacks — we don’t let them buy back the stock; we don’t let that happen — and tough limits on executive compensation.
          Over $100 billion to support our heroic doctors, nurses, and hospitals. And you see what’s happening. And I want to thank, while we’re here, also the incredible job that’s done by the Army Corps of Engineers and by FEMA. It’s been incredible. They did four hospitals in two days or three days, in New York. And they’re, like, incredible structures. What a job they’ve been doing. And they’re doing them all over the country.
          $45 billion for the Disaster Relief Fund, supporting our state, local, and tribal leaders.
          $27 billion for the development of vaccines, therapies, and other public health response efforts, including $16 billion to build up the Strategic National Stockpile with critical stockpiles. And I’m going to — we have tremendous supplies coming into the stockpile, and you’ll be seeing that and hearing about it in a little bit because we’re doing a news conference at 5:30 on what’s happening.
          We’ve had tremendous results on the respirators. We’ve had great results on just about everything we’re talking about. Boeing just announced that they’re going to be making the plastic field shields — the actual shields, which are hard to come by, and they’re going to be making them by the thousands a week.

          And the ventilators, which is probably the most difficult because it’s like — it’s like building a car — we will be announcing thousands of — are going to be built and we have them under contract and we have fast deliveries. As you know, we delivered thousands to New York. And unfortunately — they were delivered to a warehouse, which was good — unfortunately, they didn’t take them, but now they’re taking them. New York is now taking them and redistributing them around the areas that they need.

          So you have also $3.5 billion to states to expand childcare benefits for healthcare workers, first responders, and others on the frontlines of this crisis, and $1 billion for securing supplies under the Defense Protection Act. And, as you know, I’ve enacted the act. We’ve used it three or four times. I pulled it back three times because the companies came through, in the end. They didn’t need the act. It’s been great leverage.

          I have instituted it against General Electric. We thought we had a deal for 40,000 ventilators and, all of the sudden, the 40,000 came down to 6,000. And then they talked about a higher price than we were discussing, so I didn’t like it. So we did — we did activate it, with respect to General Motors. And hopefully, maybe we won’t even need the full activation. We’ll find out. But we need the ventilators.

          I said hello today — I called him — a wonderful guy, Boris Johnson. As you know, he tested positive. And before he even said hello, he said, “We need ventilators.” I said, “Wow. That’s a big statement.” And hopefully, he’s going to be in good shape.

          I just spoke to Angela Merkel, and she’s quarantined also. She is right now, for a period of two weeks, being forced to stay in her house. So this is just an incredible situation.

          Last night, I spoke to President Xi. We talked about the experience that they had in China and all of the things that have taken place. And we learned a lot. They’ve had a very tough experience, and they’re doing well and he’s doing well. President Xi is doing very well. But we learned a lot and we have great communication together.

          We’re going to be sent great data from China — things that happened that they see that — you know, they’ve had a — they’ve had an early experience, and we’re getting all of that information. Much of it has already been sent. It was sent yesterday and sent to our scientists to study. So we’ll have more on that also. We’ll be discussing that at 5:30.

          I just want to thank the people behind me. They’ve been incredible friends. They’ve been warriors. They — there’s nobody tougher or smarter than the people standing alongside of me. And I think I want to start off by asking Mitch and then Kevin to speak, and then we’re going to go through a few of the folks in the room if they’d like to say something.

          But, Mitch, I’d like — I’d love to say a few words because you — this man worked 24 hours a day for a long time. This is the result. It’s the biggest ever — ever approved in Congress: 6.2 bill- — $6.2 trillion. So, you know, we used to get used to the billion. It used to be million, then it was billion, now it’s trillion. And it’s going to go a long way. It’s going to make a lot of people very happy.

          Mitch McConnell, please.

          LEADER MCCONNELL: Thank you, Mr. President. Let me just say this is a proud moment for our country, for the President. The Republicans and the Democrats all pulled together and passed the biggest bill in history in record time.

          I also want to thank Kevin McCarthy and our leaders on the Republican side in the House who helped speed this through to passage. The American people needed this rescue package, they needed it quickly, and we delivered. It’s a proud moment for all of us. Mr. President, thanks for the opportunity to be here.

          THE PRESIDENT: Thank you. I’d love to shake your hand, but Anthony would get angry at me if I did that. (Laughter.) So I better not do it. I can’t — it’s so natural. I just want to go back and shake his hand.

          They’ve done such an incredible job. Kevin, please.

          LEADER MCCARTHY: Yeah, I do want to start. I want to thank all — the real — the real answer to America is: We’re listening to you. You do your part, and we’re going to do ours, and that’s exactly what’s happening today.

          What Leader McConnell did was amazing. He made it bipartisan, bicameral. Everybody was involved. I wish we could have signed this earlier this week; maybe there wouldn’t be as many people who are out of work. But this will put people back to work.

          I also want to thank Secretary Mnuchin. You’ve done an amazing job, and we thank you for that, and all the team that’s here.

          Look, as I said in my speech, the virus is here. We didn’t ask for it. We didn’t invite it. We didn’t choose it. But we are going to defeat it together because we’re going to work together, and this is the first start of it. The hospitals will get money — the money they need. The small businesses will be able to hire their employees back. That is a grant; you don’t have to borrow from that place. The other businesses get a retention to keep your employees on. This has something for everything.

          And to the task force and the Vice President, all the work that you’re doing with this President, this will be the needed resources you need as well. And thank you for that, and thank you for your leadership, Mr. President.

          THE PRESIDENT: Very special.

          Mike Pence? Mike? Could you please say something? You’ve been working very hard, in charge of our task force. And then I’d like to ask Steve to say a few words.

          THE VICE PRESIDENT: Thank you, Mr. President. Thanks for giving me the opportunity just to express all of our appreciation and the gratitude to the American people for the accomplishment that’s reflected in the legislation that you’ll sign in just a few moments.

          You told the American people that we would do whatever it takes. You called on the Congress to step forward to make coronavirus testing free for every American, to make paid family leave available.

          The Congress, with the leaders gathered around us here, stepped forward in a bipartisan fashion and delivered. But today, every American family, every American business, can know that help is on the way.

          And I want to thank Leader McConnell for his yeoman’s work in really forging a bipartisan bill in the United States Senate. I want to thank Leader McCarthy for his great work. But as the President said, I also want to thank the Democrat and Republican leadership across the House and Senate. This is an American accomplishment. And, Mr. President, it’s exactly what you asked the Congress to deliver for the American people.

          THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much, Mike. And Steve Mnuchin, you know how hard he’s been working. And, Steve, please say a few words.

          SECRETARY MNUCHIN: Mr. President, thank you very much for your leadership and for the Vice President’s leadership. You made it very clear to us, last week, we should think big, that this was a war on the virus, and that we should have the resources to protect American workers and American business.

          And I’d like to thank the Senate. It was a great honor, Mitch, to work with you and everyone on a bipartisan basis to get this done. This is going to be a great thing for the American workers. And, Kevin McCarthy, thank you for all the work in the House did to pass this quickly.

          So, at Treasury, as I’ve said, we are committed to move forward quickly, and we’re going to get money in people’s pockets quickly.

          Thank you, Mr. President.

          THE PRESIDENT: Great job, Steve. Gene? Please.

          SECRETARY SCALIA: This is a great day for American workers, protecting American workers, American jobs. It’s been a hallmark of this presidency, and this bill today is another very important step in that direction. It includes unprecedented support for American workers who’ve lost their jobs, through no fault of their own because of this virus, and gives them, as near as we could, the same wage they would have gotten, through unemployment insurance if they’d been able to keep their jobs, for up to four months.

          I think even more important, it includes $350 billion in loans for small business, but it’s structured in a way to incentivize them to keep their workers on payroll so that those loans could be forgiven at the end of the period.
          And it comes on top of legislation the President asked — signed last week for paid leave for workers who have to be at home because of the virus. Paid leave reimbursed in full, dollar for dollar, to the employers. It’s the first federal paid leave law for the private sector ever. And that also was achieved on an unprecedented, bipartisan basis.

          This is the third major bipartisan piece of legislation in three weeks — three bills, three weeks — to address this virus.

          So again, I want to thank the President for his leadership, his commitment to American workers, the Vice President as well, and Leader McConnell, and also my colleague, Secretary Mnuchin who did work so hard to help you get this done.

          THE PRESIDENT: Thank you, Gene, very much.

          Dr. Fauci, you may want to just say for a minute what hit the world. Something hit the world, and the world maybe will never be the quite same. But we’re going to make it a great place anyway. But certainly, you could maybe say a few words about it, please.

          DR. FAUCI: Well, thank you, Mr. President. And I want to thank everyone involved in this. This is what America is all about: a bipartisan approach, with your leadership, to do something that’s sorely needed by the American people.

          Dr. Birx and I and all of our medical people here are fighting the virus directly. But the virus has an impact on the American people, both directly by illness and death, but also indirectly, because many of the things that we have to do to suppress the virus has a negative impact because of what we’re doing. To give them relief economically is absolutely essential.

          So I feel really, really good about what’s happening today. Thank you all very much.

          THE PRESIDENT: Thank you, Tony. Thank you very much.

          Deborah, perhaps you could say a few words or so about —

          DR. BIRX: Well, thank you, Mr. President. Dr. Fauci covered it very well. As many of you know, I worked for him and he was my mentor 40 years ago.

          I think whenever we start with one of these very serious diseases and a pandemic, the President’s first goal was ensuring the health of the American people, and that’s why we put out these very strong guidance.

          It’s been a pleasure to work with the economic team here because they understand data in the same way. Economic data and health data is very similar in how you have to interpret it in a very granular way. And I think recognizing that the health of the American people is first, but the economic value of the nation is also critical.

          And I just want to thank all of you for what you’ve done for the American people today.

          THE PRESIDENT: Great job you’re doing too. Thank you.

          Kevin, please.

          REPRESENTATIVE BRADY: So just 20 days ago, I don’t know that anyone could have imagined how hard we’ve been hit medically or economically. But 20 days ago, I don’t think anyone could have imagined Congress pulling together so quickly and so forcefully behind what the President identified we needed for this country. This is a proud moment for all of us. And it’s just an example of what leadership can provide here in the White House, and then how we can respond as a Congress.

          So thank you, Mr. President, for your leadership.

          THE PRESIDENT: And I’m just saying, as Kevin is saying that, 20 days ago — a couple of days longer than that, maybe — we had a smooth-running, beautiful machine. We had the greatest economy in the history of our country. We had the highest stock price we’ve ever seen. It went up, I think, 151 times during the course of the presidency. And then we got hit by the invisible enemy, and we got hit hard. But it wasn’t just us, it was 151 countries, I think, as of the — as of this morning.

          And you call Germany and speak to Angela — she’s in quarantine. And as you know, Boris was diagnosed that he’s positive. And all of the things that are happening, it’s hard to believe what’s gone on just in a short period of time.

          And because of the talent behind me and lots of other talent in government, what we’ve done — this is a big part of it, obviously, but not the biggest part. Everybody has pulled together. Our nation has pulled together. The spirit is incredible. The people have pulled together more than anyone and better than anybody. And they’re doing really, really well.

          But just to think how life can change where you go, 20 to 22 days ago, everything is perfect, we’re looking forward. I’m saying, “When are we going to hit 30,000? I want 30,000.” That means more jobs and more everything. And then, one day, we get hit with this thing that nobody ever heard of before. Nobody ever even heard of before. And now we’re fighting a different battle.

          But I really think, in a fairly short period of time, because of what they’ve done and what everyone has done, I really think we’re going to be stronger than ever. And we’ll be protected from a lot of this. A lot of the things, Anthony, that we’ve done now — that we’re doing now — are going to protect us in the future if this should happen again.

          DR. FAUCI: Absolutely.

          THE PRESIDENT: From testing to so many other —

          DR. FAUCI: Vaccines.

          THE PRESIDENT: Even stockpiles. Right?

          DR. FAUCI: And vaccines.

          THE PRESIDENT: Yeah, the vaccines, hopefully. And vaccines, cures, therapeutics — whatever you want to call it — it’s a lot of progress. And I think on that score, I think we’re going to do a lot of progress on vaccines. We’re making, perhaps, a lot of progress on cures and therapeutics. We’ll be letting you know.

          Anybody else have anything? Greg, please. Go ahead, fellas.

          REPRESENTATIVE WALDEN: I would just say, I’ve never seen you shy away from a challenge. Your leadership and your policies and this great team brought America this enormous economy. And guess what? You get to do it again. This bill is the next step in that, and we can build back this economy with your leadership and with the healthcare team you’ve got here too. We’re doing the right thing for the American people, and they know that. I can tell you that from the ground. It’s not easy. It’s not easy.

          THE PRESIDENT: No, it’s not.

          REPRESENTATIVE WALDEN: We don’t want to shelter in place, as Americans. We want to be out, especially northwest.

          THE PRESIDENT: Yeah.

          REPRESENTATIVE WALDEN: But we know we have to do this for the safety of our relatives and families and our community and our country. So thanks for your leadership —

          THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much.

          REPRESENTATIVE WALDEN: — and the great team you’ve assembled.

          THE PRESIDENT: Appreciate it very much.

          REPRESENTATIVE CHABOT: On behalf of small businesses, they’re the backbone of the American economy. About half the people that work in America work for a small business, and they’re hurting out there right now. I’m from Ohio. I’m the ranking member of the House Small Business Committee. And back there, nonessential small businesses are shut down.

          Without this legislation, it’s questionable whether they would reopen. Because of this legislation, they now have a great chance of that. And those people that work for small businesses, who are shuttered now, will be paid. That’s really important. This wouldn’t have passed without your leadership, Mr. President. Thank you.

          THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much. And, you know, Eric worked so hard. You all know Eric. And he was at Steve’s side the whole way. And where is our man? Do I see Larry? Yeah, Larry. The two of them. How about Eric and then Larry say a couple of words and (inaudible.)

          MR. UELAND: Well, thank you very much, Mr. President. I really appreciate it, and Mr. Vice President, as well. So you encouraged your team to be bold, be brave, and go big. And we certainly delivered today. (Laughter.) $6.2 trillion is tremendous. So we’ve made sure that we can reassure Americans that their paycheck is protected and that their earnings are protected. We’ve made sure that we can provide significant reinforcement to the American economy as a result of your leadership.

          And, finally, looking ahead to address the virus, we’ve included significant resources in order to ensure that those therapies and ultimately that vaccine can come online as quickly as possible. So, protecting the public health and protecting the economic health of America is what you’ve directed us to do. And together, with the team, we’ve worked hard to deliver today.

          Thank you very much, Mr. President.

          THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much. And Steve is going to work very hard on getting the money out quickly, and hopefully it can be distributed very quickly, especially when they have some old computer equipment that they have to use. But you’re going to work on that very hard.

          SECRETARY MNUCHIN: We are indeed.

          THE PRESIDENT: Larry, please. Larry Kudlow.

          MR. KUDLOW: Oh, thanks, sir. Just hats off to Mitch McConnell who did an amazing job, and House leadership as well. And I agree with the bipartisanship. I want to give special thanks to my friend Steven Mnuchin, who I think did an extraordinary job. We were up there helping him out in one spot or another. But he’s indefatigable and got it done.

          And I’ll just say this, Mr. President: A few months ago, this economy was roaring and we’ve hit this — literally, this bug, this virus. And we will deal with it. And I think the assistance bill here, which does have growth incentives, will help lead us back to a very strong economic rebound before this year is over.

          Thank you, sir.

          THE PRESIDENT: I think that too. I think we’re going to have a tremendous rebound at the end of the year — toward the end of the year. I think we’re going to have a rebound like we have never seen before. Even now it wants to rebound. You can see it, feel it. It wants to rebound so badly.

          And, you know, we’ve had those really big — I guess, the biggest-ever stock market surge two days ago. And yesterday, it was great. Three biggest days in the history of the stock market. It wants to rebound so badly, but we have to get rid of the bug, we have to get rid of the virus.

          Now, I’m going to sign this, and it’s a great honor — $6.2 trillion. I’ve never signed anything with a “T” on it. (Laughter.) I don’t know if I can handle this one, Mitch. (Laughter.) We can’t chicken out at this point, can we?. (Laughter.) I don’t think so, huh?

          All right. Thank you all.

          (The CARES Act is signed.)

          THE PRESIDENT: Good. I wanted them to be a nice signature. (Applause.) Come on, fellas. Come on over here. Elaine. What a job she’s doing with transportation. How’s transportation? Okay?

          SECRETARY CHAO: Fine. You always talk about the supply chain.

          THE PRESIDENT: I do.

          SECRETARY CHAO: It’s really important.

          THE PRESIDENT: I do.

          SECRETARY CHAO: This bill is going to help the supply chain and the workers.

          THE PRESIDENT: Anthony? Thank you. Thanks, Tony, very much. Bob Lighthizer, thank you very much. Bob was a little less involved in this. He’s too busy making trade deals.

          Okay? You have one? You definitely have to have one. Go ahead. You’re all set.

          Thank you, everybody. So we’re going to have a 5:30 news conference in the same location. Seems to be doing quite well. And we appreciate everything. And we really appreciate the fairness, at least from most of the press. We really do. Thank you very much, everybody. Thank you. Thank you very much.

          Q Mr. President, there was that rare moment of agreement today between you and Senator Kerry over —

          THE PRESIDENT: That’s right.

          Q — this issue with Massie. Can you expand a bit on that?

          THE PRESIDENT: Well, he made a little joke about a man named Congressman Massie. I thought he was totally out of line — Congressman Massie. Because of that, I guess a lot of people had to come back, and they had to go into a place, which, frankly, we’re not supposed to be at, you know, in light of — of what we’re doing with Deborah and Tony and all of the professionals.

          So people had to come back, and just no reason for it. So John Kerry made a little joke out of it, and I agreed with his joke. And I said, I never knew he had that kind of a personality. But we actually put it up, and he was right.

          Okay, we’ll see you in a couple of minutes, folks. Thank you very much.

          END

          https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-signing-h-r-748-cares-act/

          Poor, poor Trump. Coerced into signing that spending bill against his will by a veto-proof majority. He's the victim here. Poor Trump. So sad. So very sad.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

            You getting paid by the word?

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   11 months ago

              That 50 cents doesn’t just appear, you know.

          2. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   11 months ago

            I agree with the bipartisanship.

            Say Sarcasmic, who was the party that conceived, created, lobbied for, and passed that bill? I'll give you a hint, they held the majority in the house and senate.

            Any guesses?

            1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

              Hey now. Just because his novel citation proved it was congress we can't blame Pelosi.

          3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

            Fuck man. Way to prove it was congress who passed it. Lol.

          4. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   11 months ago

            Donnie was so proud.

            BIGGEST GOVERNMENT IN HISTORY!

            1. sarcasmic   11 months ago

              They read that and they still claim Trump had nothing to do with it. I can't tell if they're retarded or pathological.

              1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

                Whi is saying he had nothing do with it? Yes he signed it. Did his signature matter?

                Why did you retreat to a strawman and still refuse to blame Congress?

                Hell, I blamed Paul Ryan for signing funding after Obama shutting down open air memorials.

                But you dont give a fuck how government actually works. Your sole interest is your TDS to blame Trump. Meanwhile you make excuses for costly EOs from Joe that don't involve Congress. Lol.

                1. sarcasmic   11 months ago

                  You put 100% of the blame on Congress by saying they had a veto-proof majority, implying that Trump was forced into signing the bill against his will.

                  When I point out how proud he was, in his own words, you ignore what he said and instead go on the attack.

                  You’re such a dishonest piece of shit. Back on mute you go.

                  1. VinniUSMC (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   11 months ago

                    His signature didn't matter, you fucking idiot. If I was him, I would have fully supported it too, at least publicly. I'm not even trying to imply that he didn't really support it. Besides a few actual Libertarians, who didn't support it?

                    The choice to veto it wasn't a choice at all. He would have been destroyed by all of the "Trump hates Americans and vetoed relief package" chants from Leftist shit-stains like you. Quite literally, damned if you do, damned if you don't. He made the right choice, considering there was no real choice.

                    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

                      Remember, to the TDS and other fainting couch liberals, every word that Trump utters (especially as filtered through MSNBC) must be taken both literally and superficially. And while they also claim that everything Trump says is a lie, they also can't abide that he might deliberately play them (and the media).

                    2. sarcasmic   11 months ago

                      Remember, to Trump's Deranged Supporters and other GOP authoritarian apologists, every word that Trump utters (especially as filtered through FOX) must be taken both figuratively and literally, depending on the who they are arguing with. He means it when talking to this person, he doesn't mean it when talking with that person. How does one know? Well TDS club members just do.

                    3. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   11 months ago

                      “Trump’s Deranged Supporters”

                      Ohhh, very clever! Did you coin that yourself?

                  2. Corn Pop Bad Dude   11 months ago

                    "Back on mute you go."

                    Until the next comment, where you unmute? All of which is pretend anyway?

                  3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

                    Where did I do so sarc? The only one here trying to assign single blame is you lol.

                2. Zeb   11 months ago

                  He couldn't have stopped it, true. But it doesn't seem like he wanted to. He didn't just sign it, he signed it and made enthusiastic statements about it and had letters sent out to everyone to tell them how great it was that he gave everyone money. Trump and pretty much everyone in congress (with few notable exceptions) get to share the blame.

                  1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

                    On the other hand he was telling states to open up pretty damn early. The spending was a response to what governors and mayors did. There was a taking by government.

                    Ultimately congress designed and wrote a terrible bill.

                    Government acted terribly in shutting things down.

                    But sarc only blames the response by Trump signing a veto proof bill while ignoring all else.

                    1. Zeb   11 months ago

                      I've been reading Scott Atlas's book about his time as an advisor on Covid. I recommend it highly. He does say a lot that makes it seem like Trump's instincts were correct on a lot of things like wanting to end lockdowns and school closures quickly. So he is definitely way better than the true believer idiots who still defend that shit to this day. But he did fail to effectively control the executive branch. It might have been difficult to fire Fauci, but there is no reason he shouldn't have been able to fire Birx as far as I can see.
                      But I still think Covid response is a very critical issue that we must not forget about and I'm going to be fully critical of anyone who contributed to that insanity.

              2. LIBtranslator   11 months ago

                How are those mutually exclusive?

            2. LIBtranslator   11 months ago

              I thought Mitch was out having his wattles massaged that day.

              1. MT-Man   11 months ago

                You have some the weirdest vocabulary I've ever seen. It's like a garbage salad that has sat out in the sun for two weeks.

            3. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   11 months ago

              turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
              If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
              turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.

          5. Corn Pop Bad Dude   11 months ago

            Tomorrow, I'll paste in the entire text of Atlas Shrugged in one comment, and pretend I've proved something.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

              Please, not Galt's speech!

            2. Jefferson Paul   11 months ago

              Alright, that was a good response!

        3. jimc5499   11 months ago

          They're not "too stupid", they just don't WANT to understand it. If they admit that they DO understand it, they just might understand how stupid their argument actually is.

      2. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

        Polly wanna cracker!

      3. Social Justice is neither   11 months ago

        Yes you fucking leftist retard. Bill's originate in the house so they're responsible and counting them against a CiC that fully endorses them but not the ones that object to the spending seems appropriate, but of course you are just a partisan shill for Democrats.

    2. Sandra (formerly OBL)   11 months ago

      Hey Wikipedia Boy. I already explained to you why "Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)" is one of the stupidest things you've ever written. I guess you didn't get it though. I'll hold your hand and go slower this time.

      Read this from your favorite website: Motives for the September 11 attacks

      "Support of Israel by United States"
      Were the 1 / 6 idiots protesting Israel? Nope!

      "Bin Laden's strategy to expand Al-Aqsa Intifada"
      Were the 1 / 6 idiots trying to expand Al-Aqsa Intifada? Nope!

      "Sanctions against Iraq"
      Were the 1 / 6 idiots mad about sanctions against Iraq? Nope!

      "Presence of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia"
      Were the 1 / 6 idiots disturbed by US forces in the Muslim holy land? Nope!

      "Environmental destruction"
      Were the 1 / 6 idiots staging an environmental protest? Nope!

      "American immorality"
      Were the 1 / 6 idiots protesting gay marriage? Nope!

      "Conflict in Somalia, Chechnya, Kashmir, Lebanon and the Philippines"
      Were the 1 / 6 idiots disturbed by conflict in regions they probably couldn't find on a map? Nope!

      "Liberation of Muslim lands"
      Were the 1 / 6 idiots trying to liberate Muslim lands? Nope!

      So not only were 1 / 6 and 9 / 11 entirely dissimilar in terms of the actions taken, the motivations for those actions were also totally different.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   11 months ago

        Sandy baby - just replace Muslim with "Christian" and the motives are all the same.

        sincerely,

        #LibertariansAgainstTheocracy

        Join us today!

        1. Sandra (formerly OBL)   11 months ago

          Jeez. That was lazy and weak even by your standards.

          Wanna know what was more similar to 9 / 11 than 1 / 6 was?

          Your twin brother James Hodgkinson opening fire on Congresspeople.

          Like the 1 / 6 crowd, JH's motives were unrelated to Bin Laden's. Crucially, though, 9 / 11 was a (successful) mass murder operation. Your twin's rampage? Also a (failed, thankfully) mass murder operation!

          Whereas 1 / 6 was not about mass murder; it was merely a riot similar to what your side did throughout 2020.

          1. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   11 months ago

            James Hodgkinson Democrats like Buttplug don't have any shame.

        2. Corn Pop Bad Dude   11 months ago

          Remember when you told us about your account with 1k that now has 400k?

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

            Not even Hillary trades futures that well.

            1. Gaear Grimsrud   11 months ago

              Nancy on the other hand...

          2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   11 months ago

            turd lies. It's what turd does.

        3. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   11 months ago

          turd, the ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
          If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

        4. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   11 months ago

          This is dumb even for you pedo. Now turn yourself in for your crimes against children.

        5. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   11 months ago

          Damn, you’re not just a retard, but an embarrassment, a pedo, and a total retard. Go turn yourself in.

      2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   11 months ago

        The letter was 1 page America bad and 8 pages of radical Islam good

      3. LIBtranslator   11 months ago

        This is the idiot that threatened to put judges into limb chippers and got the Gestapo rooting through Reason suckpuppet masks. Without the masks, Reason had a healthy commentariat in print. What is it about the internet that convinced the Reason Foundation to help put stockings over the faces of nameless morons infiltrating the store?

        1. Corn Pop Bad Dude   11 months ago

          Hello word salad??

          What are you supposed to be translating again?

          1. Super Scary   11 months ago

            I have trouble parsing half the shit that guy posts. He’s like a broken chatbot.

          2. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   11 months ago

            “This is HankPhillips.com I translate contracts, engineering material and financial & political stuff. I also interpret executives, heads of state and people under arrest.”

            https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/who-is-hank-phillips/

            Hope this clears everything up.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

              Sometimes clarity leads to nausea.

        2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   11 months ago

          Stewardess, does someone here speak Retard?

          1. VinniUSMC (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   11 months ago

            Yeah, his name is Hank

          2. tracerv   11 months ago

            Jive ass dude ain't got no brains anyhow. Shiiiit!

    3. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

      1/20/2017 $14,403,704,176,388.94
      1/20/2021 $21,636,823,777,934.20
      Difference $7,233,119,601,545.26

      1/20/2021 $21,636,823,777,934.20
      6/18/2024 $27,614,043,126,341.21
      Difference $5,977,219,348,407.01 (so far)

      For comparison, between 6/18/2023 and 1/20/2024, debt increased by $1,756,980,538,535.05 and if we add that to the tally so far, we get $7,734,199,886,942.06, bearing in mind that absent the pandemic scam, spending during Trump admin would have been very much (~$1T) less.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   11 months ago

        absent the pandemic scam

        The pandemic scam was one of the big blights on Fat Donnie's presidency.

        PPP, CARES Act, etc - he looted the Treasury.

        1. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   11 months ago

          Hahahahaha... Medulla Oblongata just destroyed your narrative and that's your response?

          What a clown. That's why Open Society fired you.

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

          So, which is it retard? Trump hated America and so ignored Covid? Or, Trump hated America and so over-reacted to Covid?

          Were you a Reagan was senile fanboy or a Reagan was an evil genius fanboy?

        3. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   11 months ago

          turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
          If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

        4. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

          And pretty much everyone here lashed out at him for that spending, except for the people who masked up and rushed to get jabbed and demanded 6-foot buffers and school closures.

        5. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   11 months ago

          You’re never gonna earn your 50 cents that way.

      2. LIBtranslator   11 months ago

        Would have...

    4. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   11 months ago

      turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

      1. diver64   11 months ago

        You must be overwhelmingly proud of this post. This is your third time posting it. Newsflash: sucked the first time and the 3rd rendition does not make it smell any sweeter

    5. Spiritus Mundi   11 months ago

      The article compares 4 years of Trump to three years of Biden, with one of Trump’s being the 2020 covid shit show. Apples to apples comparison would Q1 2017-Q1 2020 for Trump and Q1 2021-Q1 2024 for Biden, the first three years of budgets they signed. This link doesn’t have Q1 2024, but going to Q4 2023 Biden added 5.9 Trillion compared to Trump’s 3.4 Trillion. Neither is good but that article is 100% propaganda.

      1. Ron   11 months ago

        lets not forget that congress, thankfully, kept Biden from spending an extra $2 trillion, Money Biden would have spent if he could and would have exceeded Trumps spending in fewer years

        1. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

          And SCOTUS kept him from spending half-a-trillion on student loan payoffs with unappropriated taxpayer money.

      2. diver64   11 months ago

        The biggest problem is the interest on the debt. The higher the debt, the higher the interest rates caused by bad monetary policy, the higher payment on that debt will be. It will continue to skyrocket until it eats the entire budget. Add in the unsustainable Social Security, Medicare and Medicade. The result is collapse. It's coming, the elite in DC know it but hope it shows after they made their millions and left.

    6. diver64   11 months ago

      You should be ashamed to display of ignorance over how the government works and debt calculated. Debt is bad enough but take a look at interest payments on it due to Bidens inflation and debt to GDP which increased due to both parties blowout spending due to Covid but which Biden has continued at that high level not bringing it back to pre Covid. Both parties have a hand in this but Biden is making it worse with continued spending and demands for more

  9. Idaho-Bob   11 months ago

    To plead guilty and end his legal ordeal, Assange will appear at the courthouse in Saipan, the capital of the Northern Mariana Islands (technically part of the U.S.), and then fly to Australia immediately after.

    Julian, do not step into American territory.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   11 months ago

      Admiral akbar is screaming loudly

    2. Ajsloss   11 months ago

      Summer covid wave is firing up. He should ask for a zoom hearing.

  10. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

    Yes Wikipedia is biased. Study shows it is. So let's train LLM AI off wiki.

    https://manhattan.institute/article/is-wikipedia-politically-biased

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

      Duh. Wikipedia is for and by a specific class group. Which is true:
      A. Friends sitting around the faculty club after lecture debate each other, and to find authoritative info look to the Wikipedia web site.
      B. Friends sitting around the bar after the shift let out debate each other, and to find authoritative info look to the Wikipedia web site.

      1. Zeb   11 months ago

        Both in my experience.

  11. Fist of Etiquette   11 months ago

    OK, this might be a stretch, but I can think of nothing more New York than the smoking vs. vaping discourse.

    I've come to realize that personally it's not the smoke or vapor that bothers me most but the habit. JUST PUT YOUR HANDS IN YOUR POCKETS AND TAKE YOUR RITALIN AND STOP FIDGETING.

    1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

      If it’s just a habit, you aren’t doing it right.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

        I CAN QUIT ANY TIME!

    2. Eeyore   11 months ago

      When I'm in a big city I try to walk around with the biggest stinkiest cigar I can find. I try and blow the smoke in the direction of windows and doorways.

      1. Vernon Depner   11 months ago

        Did your daddy hurt you with a cigar?

  12. Sometimes a Great Notion   11 months ago

    in fact, millennials will be the first forgotten generation in modern history.

    A fact? That hasn't come to pass yet? Seems more prophecy. And I think millenials won't be forgotten just because a few blogs aren't represented in the history books. History has a way of condensing itself down to the important events.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   11 months ago

      Don't worry, there are still endless facebook/twitter posts about their dinner and other inane bs.

      1. Ajsloss   11 months ago

        You think it's "inane" when they discover a conservative among their friend group at their high society dinner parties?!

    2. mad.casual   11 months ago

      The other way as well. The whole idea assumes that there aren't people here who remember things from before the internet, who set up and managed things in the aughts to get shut down and be lost later. Still more "nothing before the internet"/'main character syndrome' from a terminally online generation of mental midgets.

      Millennials gotta millennial.

      1. Stuck in California   11 months ago

        You're hitting the mark today, Mad.

        I've been noticing a lot of articles popping up on the MSN and other places about how socks are proving Millennials aren't cool, or dancing with your hands above your head shows your age, or the Millennial pause on the tick tock shows you're old and uncool.

        It tickles my schadenfreude. Millennials were never cool, there are just a lot of them. So when advertisers couldn't figure out Gen-X pretty much everything shifted to Millennials in the media, in marketing, movies and pop culture, etc. Their generational narcissism seemed as great as their Boomer parents', Now Gen Z is prime, what with their tick tocking and whatever else is currently cool (I genuinely don't know) and the Zs are doing eye-rolls and going all "OK Boomer" on them. Everything aging hipsters did more than a dozen years ago looks about as cool as.... dabbing. Or Harlem Shake videos.

    3. LIBtranslator   11 months ago

      Riiiight... like laws against production and trade had nothing whatsoever to do with the Crash OR Great Depression. Oh, and it was normal business cycles that crashed the economy after G Waffen Bush Faith-Based asset-forfeiture looting and home confiscations outpaced private-sector burglary. Experts with no names assure us it is so.

    4. Moonrocks   11 months ago

      Somehow, I think offense archaeologists will be able to unearth decades old tweets for some time to come.

  13. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   11 months ago

    NY district 1? Don't worry I'm shure chase "the Marxist pedo" Oliver will win that district

  14. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

    'To plead guilty and end his legal ordeal, Assange will appear at the courthouse in Saipan, the capital of the Northern Mariana Islands (technically part of the U.S.), and then fly to Australia immediately after.'

    Odds of a Prigozhin-style plane crash?

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   11 months ago

      Don't worry, he is flying in a Boeing personally inspected by Nikki halie. He will be fine...

    2. Sometimes a Great Notion   11 months ago

      In the land down under, box jelly fish attack in his hotel room.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

        Do the ladies still glow and men still plunder, or is that all gender -fluidized now?

  15. Fist of Etiquette   11 months ago

    The IRS and hedge fund manager Ken Griffin just reached a settlement in a lawsuit brought by Griffin related to the IRS' improper handling of his confidential financial information.

    PLOT TWIST: 110% tax on that settlement money.

  16. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

    Two different courts stop 400B in Joe Biden school loan payments. I refuse to call it forgiveness.

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/06/two-federal-courts-halt-bidens-student-loan-forgiveness-end-run-around-scotus-ruling/

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   11 months ago

      It should be called vote buying.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

        It should be called Democratic vote buying.

      2. diver64   11 months ago

        Of course its vote buying much like that silly EO on the border, pardoning gay soldiers given the Big Chicken Dinner etc. All politicians do it, it's just Biden is so ham handed everyone notices.

    2. Jerry B.   11 months ago

      Serial violator of the Constitution, and who knows what he violated with his daughter in the shower.

    3. Jefferson Paul   11 months ago

      So Joe is attempting to promote the election of a candidate (himself) by unlawful means? Isn't there some obscure law in NY against that? I can't remember, but I recall something like that being used against a politician previously.

  17. Sometimes a Great Notion   11 months ago

    The IRS and hedge fund manager Ken Griffin just reached a settlement

    He will never has to file with them again? Otherwise audit in 6 months to reclaim that ill-gotten settlement.

    1. Ska   11 months ago

      They great thing about high profile tax audits is that I keep getting six figure fees to show why the returns are right and the taxes reported keep staying the same.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

        The process is the punishment (for your clients).

  18. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

    'UNRWA is generally regarded as a humanitarian aid organization that helps build hospitals and schools for Palestinians.'

    Did the hospital and school plans approved by UNRWA show the launch pads and munitions storage bunkers?

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

      Hey know. The UNRWA agents found to be hosting kidnapped Israelis treated them really nicely.

  19. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

    I'm of two minds on Asange, based on the notion that just because one claims to be a journalist, doesn't mean one cannot commit espionage. I've forgotten the details of his exploits, too, and my statements are made in that state of ignorance, so I'm generalizing.

    If people of their own volition brought Asange classified documents, or he uncovered them through open searches (accidental leaks), then fine.

    But if he actively encouraged people to steal classified documents for him, or he paid to have people steal them, if he directed people to the documents he was after and they stole them...he doesn't get a pass just because he says he's a "journalist". How is he at that point any different than a Russian spy, for example?

    We've seen "journalists" actively involved in the rape and kidnapping of hostages. We've seen "journalists" rioting alongside Antifa. Claiming to be a journalist doesn't mean you are somehow exempt from all laws.

    1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   11 months ago

      You're assuming all those classified papers were properly classified, that the government has the right to cover up its criminal activities by classifying the evidence, and that government should get the benefit of the doubt.

      That's an awful lot of heresy for someone posing as in individualist.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

        Not all of then information released was to hide ill doing. Much of it was simply PII of troops, defensive placements, etc.

        Youre allowed to admit Assange isn't an angel.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

          But children (and ideological zealots) need to believe in flawless heroes and irredeemable villains.

          1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   11 months ago

            And YOU need to believe in a black and white universe. Fuck that noise too.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

              Um, sure.

        2. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   11 months ago

          No shit he wasn't. But I'm also allowed to believe government isn't angelic, and if it comes down to millions of devils against one non-angel, I'll take the non-angel's side every time.

          Aren't you allowed to think Trump is no angel? Aren't you allowed to take his non-angelic side against the even worse Biden?

          Fuck that noise. Government sucks, and the more people expose that, the happier I am.

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

            Lots of handwaiving to ignore than not everything he released was "government bad" information.

            You can already see i think a lot of what they hide is bad from the comments. But not going to pretend Assange didn't also release shit like PII nor helped get the data off.

            My ideals don't require me ignoring facts.

      2. Social Justice is neither   11 months ago

        Sure but it's also demanding that the federal employees come forward with the abuses they've seen rather than justifying blind rooting around and even justifying outright espionage.

      3. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

        I didn't assume anything. I stated that I had forgotten the specifics and was addressing it hypothetically, just to make the point that "journalist" is not a proof against espionage charges. Also wasn't making any case for good secrets vs bad secrets or the like. Again, was just making the case that just because someone claims to be a "journalist" they don't have a free ride.

        I don't care if a "journalist" broke into some offices and stole proof that Big Pharma created COVID just so that they could make money. I can simultaneously appreciate the revelation and want to go after Big Pharma based on their reporting, and happily wave goodbye to them as they are incarcerated for breaking & entering, theft, trespassing (lucky they didn't get shot in the face by Capitol police for that one!).

        Conversely, I can want the cops that killed Geroge Floyd to be convicted for murder, while still thinking that George Floyd was a junkie piece of shit that had he died in an alley of an overdose, no one would have noticed or missed him.

    2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

      Assange worked with the DoD employee and provided the tools to get the information. It was a bit more than he just recieved the information.

      And I agree journalists are not a protected class when they are active participant. Yes the US went overboard. No Assange is not completely innocent.

      1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

        Probably did more good than harm.

    3. Moonrocks   11 months ago

      I think the fact that they had to start an espionage case with a tortured sexual assault narrative says it all.

  20. Fist of Etiquette   11 months ago

    for all the nuked blogs and sites, it's already impossible to source accurate writing about the early 2010s.

    Tell me about it. Just try to find any of my top shelf quality zingers in the Reason comments sections from those days. YOU CAN'T. Only my garbage comments remain.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

      What do you think generative AI is for?

      Marketing slogan: Create the past you wish for!

  21. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

    Army finally admits links between heart issues and covid vaccine found in the DMED database.

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/06/army-admits-link-between-covid-vaccine-and-soldiers-heart-condition/

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   11 months ago

      Screw you jesse!
      THE COVID JAB IS 100% SAFE AND EFECTIVE!

      I was told this by the gov so it must be true

      1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

        NO DOWNSIDES!

      2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

        I am humbled.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

          Not yet. Please report to Room 101.

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

            Thats the snack bar area right....

  22. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

    There's been major, life-threatening flooding in parts of Minnesota, Iowa, and South Dakota this week.

    Subsidized Flood Insurance Makes Storm Damage Worse (reason.com)

    The policies themselves don't make financial sense. NFIP policy holders are not limited in how many claims they can file or how much money they can receive. As a result, more than 150,000 properties nationwide have flooded multiple times and received NFIP reimbursement each time. According to statistics compiled by Pew, these so-called "repetitive loss properties" account for just 1 percent of NFIP policies but 25-30 percent of payouts. By 2009, about 10 percent of repetitive loss policies had received payouts worth more than the properties themselves.

    An insurance company's refusal to provide coverage in a high-risk area provides a disincentive to anyone who chooses to live there: When the inevitable happens, you'll be responsible for the damage yourself.

    But when the government assumes the risk on an insurer's behalf and makes insurance cheaper than the market would dictate, it creates incentives for people to live in dangerous areas more likely to be battered by extreme weather events.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

      Strange. I am trying to reply and get the 403 Error.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

        Anyway, google Coastal Barrier Resources System, essential a federal red-lining of mostly beach front and barrier island districts that are not eligible for federal support, including FEMA. You can build if you want, but you are on your own after a disaster.

        Seems like a unicorn of almost libertarian policy from the feds.

  23. Mickey Rat   11 months ago

    Assange suborned a mentally ill enlisted man into committing a crime for his own aggrandizement. The fact that Assange was potentially facing 170 years in prison shows that his activities have 1st Amendment protections is an open and contentious issue, not an unquestioned fact.

    That there are recent whistleblowers and journalists who are getting legal charges and harassment for questioning the socially progressive narrative who do not get the fawning coverage Assange gets.

    Also, what kind of idiot does not know war is brutal?

    1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   11 months ago

      "Also, what kind of idiot does not know war is brutal?"

      Perhaps then the government should stop trying to hide proof that government has engaged in brutal war.

      Perhaps one should instead ask, why does government feel the need to cover up its misdeeds. and why do so many commenters think it has the right to do so?

      1. mad.casual   11 months ago

        The "misdeeds" were committed, disclosed, and adjudicated before Manning set foot in theater.

        I don't think Assange should be in prison. I also don't think, as a non-citizen, he necessarily gets 1A protection. This was Manning/Assange's Hanoi Jane moment. The idea that they were freedom fighters or whistleblowers at the time is a retcon of an unpopular war to lionize them for deeds which really should've gotten Assange blacklisted from US soil and Manning put in the brig for a full sentence from the get go.

        The deeds weren't covered up. The question is, how long do Assange and especially Manning get to doxx, harass, and cancel other soldiers for their own notoriety?

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

          Assange wasn't targeted over the Manning case. The Regime didn't have any problem with him exposing the Iraq stuff or anything that embarrassed or hurt conservatives politically. In fact, the only thing that was told to us about Wikileaks when I was in the Air Force was, "don't read it from a government computer because you don't want your account to get locked for accessing classified docs in the niprnet."

          He was only targeted after he embarrassed the DNC during the 2016 election. They'll never admit it, but it's clearly nothing more than a political persecution in service to the Democrats for costing Hillary her spot.

          1. mad.casual   11 months ago

            [tilts hand]

            This depends a bit on the sort of “When did ‘moderate’ Republicans become captured opposition/GOPe?” speculation. Lieberman was absolutely chasing Wikileaks down while HRC was busy stumbling over reset buttons with Russia.

            I think we agree that the whole “He and Manning exposed war crimes/a brutal war!” is/was between sensationalist and a facade or retcon.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

              This depends a bit on the sort of “When did ‘moderate’ Republicans become captured opposition/GOPe?” speculation. Lieberman was absolutely chasing Wikileaks down while HRC was busy stumbling over reset buttons with Russia.

              To be sure, Lieberman could be just as much of a spastic as Lindsey Graham about his particular hobby horses.

          2. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   11 months ago

            “He was only targeted after he embarrassed the DNC during the 2016 election”

            This.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

              It's always this.

              1. tracerv   11 months ago

                100%.

    2. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

      Also, what kind of idiot does not know war is brutal?

      Then why is the government trying to hide that?

      1. mad.casual   11 months ago

        They didn’t. Again, you idiots are playing retard like any “What is a woman?” leftist. The war was already unpopular at that point and Reuters reported the journalists missing and presumed dead in near real time. Once it had confirmation of their deaths, it was reported. The shooting was adjudicated. This was all while Manning was still in basic training.

        There are actual things that Manning and Assange did effectively crack the lid on. It’s rather debatable as to whether everyone perpetuating the “They exposed the ugliness of war.” narrative isn’t just a useful idiot carrying water for the less Iraq/Afghanistan-war-combat-related but more politically embarrassing or collusive aspects of what they did disclose/confirm.

      2. Vernon Depner   11 months ago

        Also, what kind of idiot does not know war is brutal?

        The kind that are protesting against Israel for not conducting their war in a kind and gentle manner.

    3. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   11 months ago

      If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about. This should apply to the gov

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

        Some things should be hidden when it deals with security or weapons technology.

        Need to separate what is valid from what is not.

        Not sure you want China getting access to weapons technology.

        1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   11 months ago

          The Clinton's and Obama already sold them the tech

        2. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   11 months ago

          Right, like those videos expose national security secrets.

          You're allowed to believe your government is not saintly.

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

            Did you go full sarc strawman this morning?

            Did you read the fucking 2nd sentence?

            Lol.

            So if a hacker hacks into a bank to expose government corruption and exposes your PII, bank details, SSN, etc... no harm no foul because you were just a casualty of finding government harm? What childlike principles. Hacker was a journalist just exposing corruption. Who cares if you were harmed in the process.

    4. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   11 months ago

      Got shots part deux to the rescue

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KCKs_C9u4Tg

  24. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

    'OK, this might be a stretch, but I can think of nothing more New York than the smoking vs. vaping discourse.'

    Meh. Unless the scene includes union stooges paying off crooked politicians while glittering fashionistas get into limos with Wall Street billionaires on their way to a Met gala dodging rats scurrying over the piles of trash due to the latest sanitation workers strike it's not very New York.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   11 months ago

      Dustin Hoffman "I'm walkin' here" in midnight cowboy is peak new york

    2. Dillinger   11 months ago

      I do my best to never think of New York

      1. Diarrheality   11 months ago

        I'm not thinking about New York right now.

  25. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

    "Yet the Long Island district—spanning most of Suffolk County to the Hamptons—has eluded the grasp of Democrats for a decade. It's a failure critics chalk up to the party's inability to field a candidate appealing to independents, who make up 30% of the electorate."

    So, MAGA?

  26. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

    'There's been major, life-threatening flooding in parts of Minnesota, Iowa, and South Dakota this week.'

    There was life-threatening flooding in my home bathtub this week, too, if I held my face on the bottom long enough.

    1. rbike   11 months ago

      I am treading water now as I type this on my phone. Eastern Iowa

  27. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

    'It is fascinating how much of the late aughts and early '10s internet has gone dark'

    Winston Smith would be out of a job.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   11 months ago

      Oh no MTV folds what ever will we do

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

      This is one reason why print media is superior--as long as there is a library or archives to hold onto them, they'll be available to reference.

      I'll be somewhat fair in that maintaining a digital archive on a server might be somewhat expensive, but compared to what a lot of these media companies blow their money on, I suspect the cost is doable. And it's being done for suspiciously political reasons--for example, good luck finding the Rolling Stone article they did about 20 years ago on the weird sexual pathologies of the Wachowski brothers. It's not hard to read that article and think, "Well, no wonder these freaks decided they wanted to be women, they're deviant pornsick coomers." No wonder Rolling Stone memory-holed it.

  28. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

    Just musing about our current social and political state of affairs. I assume that what progressives now demand we celebrate as normal, from transgendering children to magic money tree economics, would have looked absolutely insane even to liberals of 30 years ago. What do you think the left will be pushing in 30 years that would cause Rachel Maddox and AOC to say, "Wait a minute, that's crazy!"

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

      Maddow. (strange auto-correct)

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

      You’ve already got Millennial progressives like Ana Kasparian complaining about the left’s fetishization of criminals, simply because these idiots think they’ll be able to take down bourgeois capitalism and democracy by enabling the worst elements of society, and they’ll somehow build the communist utopia from the ashes.

      It’s not like they’re shy about it–they openly state how much they hate the US by demanding that it be “disrupted, dismantled, and abolished.” What’s the point of finding any kind of “compromise” with such people, other than a unwarranted pathology that treats republican democracy like a religious totem? You give people like this an inch in such a construct, they'll use it to destroy you and the country along with it.

      1. Mike Parsons   11 months ago

        "these idiots think they’ll be able to take down bourgeois capitalism and democracy by enabling the worst elements of society, and they’ll somehow build the communist utopia"

        Some ideas are evergreen.

        "like Ana Kasparian complaining about the left’s fetishization of criminals,"

        * important note: She has only made this turn after essentially being sexually assaulted (kind of) by a couple homeless guys. She went real quick from lefty criminal simp to "we have a crime and homeless problem" when she was about a few seconds away from getting raped. Lefties unfortunately rarely admit their mistakes until the consequences we told them would happen, happen specifically to them. Its not enough to show them video, data, anything. They have to suffer themselves. See also the people of NYC finally screaming at AOC and Adams about the out of control migrants. They have to suffer first

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

          And even then, remember that human memory has a half-life of 6 months.

        2. Mickey Rat   11 months ago

          "A conservative is a liberal who's been mugged."

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

            And the first nudge for that political transformation comes when liberals look at their first pay stub and are shocked by tax withholdings.

    3. Vernon Depner   11 months ago

      What do you think the left will be pushing in 30 years that would cause Rachel Maddox and AOC to say, “Wait a minute, that’s crazy!”

      Since extremists on the left are already pushing for the extermination of the human race, it could be argued that there's no longer any crazier to go.

  29. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   11 months ago

    Yesterday Medulla Oblongata brought up the young girl “Convicted Of “Offending” (her) Migrant Gang Rapists Receives Longer Prison Sentence Than The Rapists”

    The men took turns on the girl, repeatedly raping her over an extended period of time. They robbed her of her wallet and cellphone before leaving her. Traumatized and disoriented from the first attack, and having no method of calling for help, the girl was assaulted a second time by two more men who took advantage of her vulnerable state.
    Disturbingly, her assailants had begun inviting other men to rape her via their chat groups, gleefully sharing the news that there was an isolated teenage girl in the dark park with no potential witnesses.”

    Many of you remember Jeff claimed the minor was and was therefore unreliable.

    Also of note is that the victim was very drunk – which doesn’t excuse the rape, but also means that the victim’s eyewitness testimony isn’t going to be very reliable as to what actually happened

    What you might have missed is his last reply and defence of the rapists late last night.

    https://reason.com/2024/06/24/byo-a-c/?comments=true#comment-10615352

    “chemjeff radical individualist 13 hours ago
    Flag Comment
    Mute User
    You want to get graphic? Fine.

    What about the semen that is found on the woman’s shirt? Is that the result of rape? Or is that the result of some guy jacking off while watching? That’s gross and possibly illegal but not the same as rape. Should this guy be punished the same as a rapist?

    What about the semen from the guy who regretted it and showed remorse, and the semen from the guy who didn’t? Should they get the same punishment? And let’s keep in mind that they are minors with ethical codes that are not fully developed. That is the whole reason why we don’t try minors as adults for the crimes that they commit.

    But you don’t really give a shit about the details of any of this evidence, do you? Standards of justice that ought to apply to native-born citizens don’t apply to those migrants, because “everybody knows” they are just violent thugs anyway. Any bit of evidence that connects any one of them to the crime is good enough to justify locking them up and throwing away the key no matter how tenuous, or no matter whatever exculpatory evidence may be presented.

    The real monsters here, besides the rapists, are people like you, who cannot see beyond their migrant status and will use any pretext whatsoever to denounce the lot of them as violent thugs and dangers to civil society

    When I say Jeff is evil and Jeff is a monster, it’s not hyperbole. He said that the guy ejaculating on the body of a minor who is being raped is a lesser offence than if he stuck it in an orifice. He said that a guy who claimed he felt bad for doing it later should get a lighter sentance.

    These aren’t a human’s arguments.

    1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

      He later claimed that we shouldn’t be afraid of crimes.

      1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   11 months ago

        Then he should move the the Garfield park area of chicago

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

        We shouldn't be afraid (and attempt to stop) POC on white or Asian crime, since that has woke moral justification. Turn the color arrow around, and we should be very aggressive about crime. And remember that woke selective crime can include mean words and things that happened 100 years ago.

    2. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/5-men-in-us-illegally-appear-in-macon-county-court-to-face-kidnapping-charge/ar-BB1oFIFN

      Five men, who are in the U.S. illegally, made their first court appearance Friday afternoon in Macon.

      All of the suspects are charged with second-degree kidnapping and endangering the welfare of a child.

      They are Marlon Aguilar, 44, from Honduras, Arturo Eustaquio, 41, from Mexico, Noe Guzman Hernandez, 24, from Mexico, Daniel Ruiz Lopez, 19, from Honduras, and Carlos Funez, 56, from Honduras.

      The defendants are accused of kidnapping a 14-year-old girl from her home in Indiana.

      Investigators said they were reportedly taking the teen to California to meet up with an unknown man she had met on the internet.

      The girl’s father had seen his daughter getting into a black SUV.

      By pinging the girl's cell phone, law enforcement was able to track the vehicle the men and girl were in as it moved into Macon County on Highway 36 very early Monday morning.
      The intersection of Highway 63 and Kellogg Avenue on the east edge of Macon is where a state trooper was sitting when she spotted the suspects' vehicle and immediately pulled it over.

      With help from a Macon police officer and a Macon County deputy, the trooper rescued the girl and took the five men into custody.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

        Jeff and sarc say a few hundred of these events are just rare so we should ignore it.

        1. HorseConch   11 months ago

          That's a local story. It was a little town in MO they found them in. They were hauling her from OH to her new suitor in CA. I'm sure that those 5 that happened to get caught are the only illegals currently trafficking kids and we can rest assured our kids are safe now.

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

            No widespread kidnapping.

          2. Jefferson Paul   11 months ago

            I could see chemjeff trying to justify it by saying they were just trying to transport the girl to CA so she could get gender-affirming care. If her home state didn't ban that kind of thing for minors, the men wouldn't have needed to resort to that kind of action. What, you don't want her to get healthcare? Also, you're racist for mentioning that the men were illegal immigrants. They were just doing a job because they wanted to better their lives, and only illegal because our immigration laws don't allow them to emigrate legally on demand. They had no choice. Also, you're racist for focusing on the fact they shouldn't have been here at all. Also, you're racist!

            (Yes, a strawman of chemjeff, to a point. But not that far off either, based on what he's been saying.)

      2. LIBtranslator   11 months ago

        So Julian Assange is the girl?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   11 months ago

          Put the edibles away, Hank. Please sober up and then reread MO’s comment.

      3. rbike   11 months ago

        Macon County Line

    3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

      What an obese piece of shit. Will bookmark.

      Of course jeff is fine with no jail time for migrant rapists.

      Of course he doesn't give a shit people were given jail time for being outraged at these migrants.

      Jeff is honestly a rhino sized piece of shit.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

        Jeff, and all other progressives: Believe her, damn it! Unless we rate her as more oppressive on the intersectional scale or her story contradicts our preferred narratives. FYTW.

        Bunch of lying cunts.

    4. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

      What about the semen that is found on the woman’s shirt? Is that the result of rape? Or is that the result of some guy jacking off while watching? That’s gross and possibly illegal but not the same as rape.

      What a stupid argument. That’s literally indecent exposure and sexual assault, and guys are tried for it on a regular basis. “Possibly” doesn’t even figure here.

      That is the whole reason why we don’t try minors as adults for the crimes that they commit.

      Except this isn’t actually true, and we do, in fact try minors as adults for their crimes if they are considered to be heinous enough and they acted with particular malice.

      And no, it's not a surprise that he made these arguments, because he also believes that migrant child molesters should be given asylum.

      You can see in these statements how chemtard indulges in the usual sophistry and semantics to try and deflect from sexual criminal behavior, which has been a notable habit of his for some time now. It’s almost like the fat fuck is telling on himself.

    5. Mike Parsons   11 months ago

      "And let’s keep in mind that they are minors with ethical codes that are not fully developed. That is the whole reason why we don’t try minors as adults for the crimes that they commit."

      - from the guy who thinks we should let kids choose their gender and hormone treatment regimen in Kindergarten...creamjeff folks!!

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

        It's notable that whenever the people here criticize weird, criminal, or deviant sexual behavior against minors, chemtard is right there with a dozen effortposts trying to argue that the behavior isn't that bad, and that it's only being objected to because "it's (sooper speshul 'marginalized' group) that's the subject here!"

        1. Mike Parsons   11 months ago

          To this day, I cant get him to explain to me how the govt getting out of the way and allowing a child and parent consent and agree to the child receiving life altering, dangerous, sterilizing hormones that will absolutely effect the child's life trajectory in a negative way ...

          How does this not logically lead to the govt getting out of the way for anything the parent and child want to consent to doing. If we can greenlight standing back and letting the parent sterilize and mutilate their child, why wouldn't consentual sexual activity be on the table? Why couldnt the parents and kids shoot up some heroin together? Matching face tattoos?

          His argument on the former is always "the parents consent, the child consents, its what they want and the govt should GTFO their business"

          He never seems to want to answer on why this wouldn't absolutely open the conversation to eliminating age of consent and incest. He has dodged the question every time, refuses to answer

          1. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   11 months ago

            “How does this not logically lead to the govt getting out of the way for anything the parent and child want to consent to doing.”

            That’s exactly what he wants. Before he muted me his response to my question about coyotes raping women and children as they smuggle them across the border was “Just imagine how terrible their circumstances were that caused them to choose that?”

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

              What about consenting parent-child to turn said child into a dolphin, release into the ocean, and later capture and eat? I would hope that 99.99% of humanity finds this absurd and indicative of insanity (and worth stepping in to prevent) today. But what about in 30 years?

            2. Ajsloss   11 months ago

              my question about coyotes raping women and children

              Out-in-the-wild coyotes or coyotes in trunks?

      2. LIBtranslator   11 months ago

        Those same anarco-jerks were infiltrating the LP in 1980. The Dems scratched kiddie molesters off onto the LP while God's Own Prohibitionists shed Bircher, Ku-Klux, LaRouche and similar padded cell inmates. Even Lenin understood that having anything to do with anarchist whack-jobs is suicide. Getting back to Assange... remember Assange? Was he not some antinuclear saboteur bent on stopping spacecraft from using Seebeck-effect power sources for exploring the outer planets?

        1. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   11 months ago

          “while God’s Own Prohibitionists”

          Say Hank, who was the party in control of both the House and Senate when prohibition was passed?

          I’ll give you a hint. They were the same party that was pro-slavery, and started the Indian wars and the Trail of Tears, created Jim Crow laws, resegregated the Civil Service, put the Japanese in interment camps, opposed universal suffrage, and filibustered the Civil Rights Act.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   11 months ago

            Another hint: that party starts with “D” as in demon, and rhymes with “rats”.

      3. Vernon Depner   11 months ago

        from the guy who thinks we should let kids choose their gender and hormone treatment regimen in Kindergarten

        Puberty blockers are a fantasy come true for pedos. Imagine having a barely legal lover who still looks 12.

    6. Gaear Grimsrud   11 months ago

      Thanks for the quote. I muted that asshole a long time ago. Turns out to be a good decision.

    7. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   11 months ago

      If you think you hate Lying Jeffy enough, you’re probably wrong.

  30. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   11 months ago

    '...UNRWA is generally regarded as a humanitarian aid organization that helps build (military HQs) in hospitals and schools for Palestinians..."

    Fixed

  31. Incunabulum   11 months ago

    >UNRWA is generally regarded as a humanitarian aid organization that helps build hospitals and schools for Palestinians

    No its not. Its been exposed as what it is - a terrorist support organization.

  32. Incunabulum   11 months ago

    >"Yet the Long Island district—spanning most of Suffolk County to the Hamptons—has eluded the grasp of Democrats for a decade. It's a failure critics chalk up to the party's inability to field a candidate appealing to independents, who make up 30% of the electorate."

    This is why you fail.

    Its not the independents. Its that the Democratic residents of LI are of an age to not be on board with the modern Progressive agenda.

  33. Longtobefree   11 months ago

    Julian Assange is a CONVICTED FELON!!

    How does that change your view of him and his actions?

    1. Mike Parsons   11 months ago

      They are getting mileage with this line. I have seen countless posts starting with "So a guy convicted of 34 FELONY CHARGES, can run for president, but (X) person unfairly cant do (X) thing"

      This is 10000% the reason for the trump conviction. Will be endless until Nov. Will be the sweetest thing if the "convicted felon" wins, though I cant imagine they would possibly allow that with how deep in they are now

      1. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

        Constitution provides the requirements for President.

    2. Super Scary   11 months ago

      I don't care who they convict because I have seen who they don't.

  34. Dillinger   11 months ago

    >>For more than a decade, Assange was not treated like a journalist, but like a criminal.

    when they came for the jornolist, a few people said things ...

  35. Dillinger   11 months ago

    >>UNRWA is generally regarded as a humanitarian aid organization that helps build hospitals and schools for Palestinians.

    I've been told also the Holy Land Foundation had nada todo with 9/11

  36. Dillinger   11 months ago

    >>in fact, millennials will be the first forgotten generation in modern history.

    no no you'll either be praised or cursed for eternity when we're cylons because you wouldn't put down the phones ... results pending

  37. VinniUSMC (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   11 months ago

    Bradley Manning is a worthless, mentally ill, traitorous piece of shit. The only surgery he should have received was the removal of his head from his body.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

      Ironically, a lot of the info he stole would be coming up here pretty soon on the 25-year time limit for declassifying that information. So all of this would have eventually come out, anyway. The guy got thrown in the brig, lost his veteran bennies, and cut his dick off for nothing.

      1. tracerv   11 months ago

        sad trombone. mp3 Bradley, I mean Chelsea!

  38. Dillinger   11 months ago

    >>There's been major, life-threatening flooding in parts of Minnesota, Iowa, and South Dakota this week.

    queue Led Zeppelin IV song 8

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   11 months ago

      Buckwheat Zydeco cover is better IMO.

      1. Dillinger   11 months ago

        lol I like it. also thought about using Rhymin' & Stealin' but I thought it might be too obscure.

        1. tracerv   11 months ago

          That it is obscure gives me the sads.

          Yo ho ho and a bottle of Brass Monkey.

          1. Dillinger   11 months ago

            I mean ... not in my world but they're not for everyone

  39. Dillinger   11 months ago

    >>Ken Griffin just reached a settlement ... related to the IRS' improper handling of his confidential financial information.

    does IRS have to register as an offender?

  40. Uncle Jay   11 months ago

    "Julian Assange, a Free Man."

    Gee, it must be an election year.

  41. LIBtranslator   11 months ago

    I just found out in the Bolivian version of Reason, La Razón, that Assange copped a plea for outing looter looter Kleptocracy secrets in exchange for time served. Being sent back to Oz should suffice as additional punishment. The interesting part is that all sorts of high officials the DEA narco-state despises cheered his release from exile, including Evo Moralez of Bolivia and nearly the entire population of Ecuador. There is still some clarity to be found in Re... digo... la Razón.

    1. Jefferson Paul   11 months ago

      Did Bolivia have their own versions of Comstock laws, and are there girl-bulliers in the comments section of La Razón?

  42. Longtobefree   11 months ago

    I prefer Joni Mitchell, 'A Free Man In Paris'.

  43. AT   11 months ago

    Oh hey yea that guy.

    I thought he died in Ecuador or something.

  44. Uomo Del Ghiaccio   11 months ago

    While I'm glad that Julian Assange is finally free, I'm worried about a Bait & Switch by the "security state" from multiple countries. I'm frustrated that Julian Assange was effectively forced to plead guilty to a crime that he didn't commit. I would like Julian Assange to be pardoned and the conviction to be expunged.

  45. ElrondPA   11 months ago

    The coverage of Julian Assange is deeply dishonest. Honest journalism would clearly report and respond to the charges against him, which are far more than just "committing journalism." The charges include:

    * Assisting Pvt. Manning in cracking a password to reveal more secret information.
    * Asking hacking group Lulzsec to hack specific individuals (that is, encouraging more releases of classified information).
    * Posting names of individuals confidentially assisting the United States in an active war zone, thereby endangering their lives.

    I don't know all the evidence to know how strong the case is, but that's why trials exist. This is not simply publishing information that others have provided.

    If the San Diego Union-Tribune had published the departure dates of U.S. ships during World War II, would you call that protected by the First Amendment? I understand the value of whistle-blowing, but it's not absolute.

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