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Donald Trump

Trump Suddenly Loves Immigration

Plus: Catholic hospitals may be forced to provide euthanasia, Milei's accomplishments in Argentina, migrant crisis near the Canary Islands, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 6.21.2024 9:33 AM

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The H-1B visa about-face: "What I want to do and what I will do is, you graduate from a college, I think you should get automatically, as part of your diploma, a green card to be able to stay in this country," former President Donald Trump told The All-In Podcast. "And that includes junior colleges, too. Anybody graduates from a college, you go in there for two years or four years. If you graduate or you get a doctorate degree from a college, you should be able to stay in this country."

One of the podcast's co-hosts had asked him to "promise" to give people like them (venture capitalists and entrepreneurs) "more ability to import the best and brightest around the world to America."

"I know of stories where people graduated…from a college, and they desperately wanted to stay here," Trump continued. "They had a plan for a company, or a concept, and they can't. They go back to India, they go back to China. They do the same basic company in those places, and they become multibillionaires, employing thousands and thousands of people. And it could have been done here."

"You need a pool of people to work for your companies," he added. "You have great companies, and they have to be smart people. You have to be able to recruit these people and keep the people. Somebody graduates at the top of the class, they can't even make a deal with a company because they don't think they're going to be able to stay in the country. That is going to end on Day One."

What Trump is articulating about high-skilled workers, and the H-1B visas they are eligible for, is not just sensible but also something immigration proponents have been saying for a long time.

The idea that he'll focus on this as a policy priority strains credulity, given that this is the man who hired notorious restrictionist Stephen Miller as one of his top immigration advisers during his first term. (Miller, "best known for his role in implementing a 'zero tolerance' policy at the Mexican border, in which migrant parents were systematically separated from their children as part of a deterrence strategy," writes Reason's Billy Binion, was the architect of some of Trump's most cruel and haphazard policies that worsened the already-convoluted immigration system.)

It's especially funny that his spokesperson attempted to walk much of Trump's comments back, leaving would-be voters even more confused as to what the administration might choose to prioritize.

Donor management: In some sense, this is the most predictable tale of all time: A politician tells donors exactly what they want to hear, and it's questionable whether he'll actually do anything based on this.

For the unfamiliar, The All-In Podcast is comprised of venture capitalists—Chamath Palihapitiya, Jason Calacanis, David Sacks—and entrepreneur David Friedberg, who range from politically Trump-curious (but not sold) to donor-supporters, like Sacks, who just hosted a Trump fundraiser at his home in San Francisco at which Trump purportedly raised $12 million. Other Silicon Valley folks, like Cameron and Tyler Winklevoss, who claimed Mark Zuckerberg stole the idea for Facebook from them (and sued over it) during their college days, have come out of the political closet in the last few days and publicly pledged donations to Trump.

A seemingly related headline: "Trump has rapidly eroded Biden's edge in 2024 cash battle." Whether these Silicon Valley donors buy what Trump is selling—that he's interested in helping America prevent brain drain to China and India—is debatable, but it's clear that currying favor with these folks is having a positive outcome for Team Trump.

As for the All-In guys, the whole interview is worth a watch since the crew eschews the apoplectic tone used by much of the media. The end result is better for it, and certainly more useful to the viewer. It's yet another example of how the traditional media fumbled the ball during the 2016 election and subsequent Trump years, failing to self-correct, and how media-class incuriousness has led to a worse quality product.

Of course, All-In has its own problems—they're playing the role of journalists, but Sacks is himself a Trump donor, and there's a sycophantic attitude toward the former president at times—but at least their cards have been laid on the table. Compare that to a media class that sometimes pretends it's not disproportionately liberal but won't tell you who they voted for (the way Reason journalists do). Partisanship does not mean you can't do good journalism, but journalists sometimes delude themselves into thinking that hiding their political affiliation results in objectivity or somehow prevents bias from seeping in.


Scenes from New York: 

This is such a misleading hit piece. Yes, Jacobin wants the DSA-member Bowman to win. So they selectively quote from a DOJ federal monitoring to make it seem that the more centrist Latimer is bad on affordable housing. In fact the monitor cites him and his administration… https://t.co/Pg3L6ZTzOd pic.twitter.com/uY6oMrOmGN

— Mike Pesca (@pescami) June 20, 2024


QUICK HITS

  • Earlier this week, California Gov. Gavin Newsom called for a statewide ban on smartphones in public schools. (Of all the Newsom priorities, this is possibly the least bad, at least to me. And, amusingly, even The New York Times admits that "teachers unions have been reluctant to take on the responsibility of having to enforce the policies, though they also have welcomed efforts to prevent distractions.")
  • Must Catholic hospitals be forced to provide euthanasia? Assisted suicide activists, and the family members of a suicide patient, are suing St. Paul's Hospital in Vancouver.
  • "The US Supreme Court upheld a 2017 tax on American-owned businesses' foreign profits, rejecting an appeal that could have saved companies hundreds of billions of dollars," reports Bloomberg.
  • "America's top export may be anxiety," writes Derek Thompson in The Atlantic, complicating Jonathan Haidt's smartphone thesis a bit.
  • The former Thai prime minister has been indicted for allegedly defaming, insulting, or threatening a member of the royal family.
  • "The gloating insistence from progressives that they are never bothered by the behavior of disturbed people on the subway does not fit the facts about mental illness and violence," writes Freddie deBoer in a provocative Intelligencer piece about forcing mentally ill people into involuntary treatment in order, he argues, to save them.
  • A cruise ship rescued 68 migrants who were attempting a voyage to Spain's Canary Islands in dangerous conditions via a fishing boat. Six people died, which tragically adds to the roughly 5,000 migrant death toll from sea crossings to the Canary Islands so far this year.
  • What has Javier Milei accomplished so far in Argentina? Watch the latest Just Asking Questions to find out.

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Trump has rapidly eroded Biden's edge in 2024 cash battle.

    Does this count Biden's social security checks???

    (Yes, I know Trump is elderly, too. DEAL WITH THE JOKE.)

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Yeah, but does Biden get 10% of Trump's checks?

    2. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

      No, Hunter has been stealing those for years.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    I say we boycott Reason until it stops swallowing my jokes. WHO'S WITH ME?

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Reason swallows?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Reluctantly and strategically.

      2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

        Mostly cocktails and sandwiches.

      3. Nardz   2 years ago

        This is unquestionable.

      4. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   2 years ago

        *Insert old Liz vs new Liz joke here*

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          About the swallowing or the sandwiches?

          1. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   2 years ago

            Exactly.

    2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

      Pretty sure they spit them out.

    3. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

      It was a great, pithy joke that dinged both Trump and Harvard. WHICH IS REASON PROTECTING?

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

        If those 2, then Harvard.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          But imagine a future scenario where Trump goes to Harvard, Rodney Dangerfield style. I would pay to see that.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   2 years ago

            He just can’t get no respect.

    4. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      I thought you had a lifetime “No Squirrels” pass from these guys.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

        The squirrels are out of their control.

  3. Idaho-Bob   2 years ago

    Earlier this week, California Gov. Gavin Newsom called for a statewide ban on smartphones in public schools.

    This is to protect the teaching staff from being recorded brainwashing/molesting/transitioning kids.

    Same reason cops resist body cameras.

    1. Nardz   2 years ago

      Also prevent video of black students attacking teachers, whites, and each other.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        And not to distract from the main Big Brother screens, coming to classrooms next year. (They have to start somewhere.)

    2. Rick James   2 years ago

      Yes. Without smart phones in the classroom, how will I know what retarded trans shit my kid’s teacher is pushing?

  4. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

    Trump Suddenly Loves Immigration

    So are you going to reluctantly vote for him now?

    1. Longtobefree   2 years ago

      Looks like reason policy is to NEVER distinguish between legal immigration, and criminal border crossing.

      1. Ersatz   2 years ago

        just so
        Plus - I dont think green card residents can legally vote. wont stop (D)ems from harvesting their ballots, mind you.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Makes no difference when hiring for the graveyard shift.

        2. charliehall   2 years ago

          Anyone can vote in a state or local election if the state and/or local law permits. Back in the 19th century numerous states allowed non-citizens to vote -- it was residence, not citizenship, that mattered

          1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

            There’s a reason we don’t do that anymore. Have you heard of “Bleeding Kansas?” Rampant election fraud and loose borders of people flooding in to slam the polls.

            Just because something was once done doesn’t mean it was a good idea or should be adopted in modern times. And this is a world with much more mobility than the 19th century.

          2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            Oh look, the True and Honest Conservative is simping for Democrats again, just like the rest of Jonah Goldberg's "Remnant."

          3. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   2 years ago

            There was also slavery in the 19th century.

          4. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

            Since some state, local elections are done the same time as fed elections. How do you keep them from voting in the feds?

            1. Think It Through   2 years ago

              Not just at the same time. On the same piece of paper (or in the same voting machine). There is no practical way to let someone vote local but not federal.

              1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

                Yes, chuckie knows this. In fact, that’s the point.

            2. BadLib   2 years ago

              Simple - just like in the primaries in my state everyone's ballot includes the various non-partisan seats/measures (judges, mayor, city councilpersons, propositions etc) but a registered Republican's ballot only shows the candidates for the Republican primary and a registered Democrat's ballot only shows the candidates for the Democratic primary.

          5. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   2 years ago

            Do you ever get tired of being a Fascist Democrat retard?

  5. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

    Trump has always supported skilled labor visas and even visas for workers in industry.

    This is more of Reason once again confusing legal vs illegal immigration. And confusing the visa lottery with industry based visas.

    Personally I think most of the visas need to be reformed because we have story after story of citizens training their visa counterparts for lower wages which is not allowed by the current statutory construction of these visas. An article just came put showing recent citizen unemployment rates are at 5%. Granted most of those graduating have shitty degrees.

    But the main crux is Reason continues to misrepresent the immigration debate.

    1. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

      You could have stopped here...

      But the main crux is Reason continues to misrepresent the immigration debate.

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      There is literally no difference between an individual legally in the US who earns an engineering degree and an unvetted gotaway.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

        Once they overstay their visa, there's not much separating them from the more everyday border-jumpers.

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

          That's the outcome Trump proposes to eliminate. Did you read the article?

          1. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

            Then they would not over overstayed their visa, would they? They'd have new documents allowing them to stay.

            Someone who just ignores their visa end-date and has no legal basis to be here is not much different than a border jumper.

            Someone who through legal mechanisms put in place for the purpose of extending their legal stay has, in fact, legally extended their allowable time is just fine.

      2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

        Both end up in food trucks.

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

          As God intended.

    3. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 years ago

      If the reason writers didn't lie about immigration, they would have no articles about imigration

      1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        Is it really out of the question that Reason writers could come out and say, "We want everybody in the world to be allowed to come here and stay in unlimited numbers, regardless of the consequences."? They come really close to that in the Roundtable podcasts.

        1. charliehall   2 years ago

          That was the law for about half the history of the US -- no numerical limits on immigration. And there were no numerical limits from anywhere in the Western Hemisphere until 1965. Had the law not been changed in 1965 we would not have a migrant crisis today.

      2. MerriamsFinestRoryMatilla   2 years ago

        What's the policy on niggers?

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Retard

    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      "Granted most of those graduating have shitty degrees."

      So, at least Americans have an edge is some fields.

      1. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   2 years ago

        So these are the people exporting anxiety?

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          If so, do we need tariffs on imported Euro-anxiety?

    5. Bubba Jones   2 years ago

      Or Trump just wants to sell green cards through a national network of Trump-brand Junior Colleges

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

        Most countries sell visas, usually requiring investment or proof of funds/bank accounts.

        Seeing as Trump has come out against the DoEd, think you listen to Maddow too much.

    6. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

      No one can compete with American workers when they’re given a fair and level playing field, which has not happened for decades.

      President Donald J. Trump

      PROTECTING AMERICAN WORKERS: President Donald J. Trump and his Administration are protecting American workers by reforming requirements governing the H-1B visa program.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

        Your comment doesn't say what he turned it into.

        H1B needs to be reformed. It is a regulated employment industry making it difficult to transfer employers. It isnt a free employment market. People can hire and underpay and those on visas can't transfer to their market worth. On top of that they are required by statute to be paid the average of current citizen employment. Many of the taxes, like ACA and FICA, dont get charged to visa holders making them cheaper from a regulatory cost standpoint.

        Don't be like sarc. Learn how the program s actually work.

        1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

          Don’t be like sarc. Learn how the program s actually work.

          Did I state any opinion? Thought I just copied and pasted the beginning quote from the white house archive record. Yup that's what I did. Anything else you read into that was you alone.

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

            When people put two different statements together in order to equate them, they are generally making a statement about said statements.

            1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

              Just cut and pasted direct from the website.

          2. MerriamsFinestRoryMatilla   2 years ago

            Don't question the mob faggot or we'll send you to Africa with the niggers you nigger faggot

    7. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   2 years ago

      And apparently Wolfe doesn't have any idea what the difference between a Green Card and an H1-B is.

  6. sarcasmic   2 years ago

    Someone needs to tell Trump that immigrants come here for welfare, not jobs.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Poor sarc

      1. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   2 years ago

        Don't pity the liar. Sarckles knows full well the difference between legal immigrants and criminal border scofflaws.

        He also knows that immigrants aren't eligible for the enormous welfare and housing benefits the lawbreakers get.

        His misrepresentation is deliberate because without it his stance would be obviously abhorent.

        1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          You defend the cherry picking of stats about asylum seekers and using them to accuse economic refugees and overstays of only wanting welfare, then shrilly accuse me of abhorrent, deliberate misrepresentation? Too funny.

          1. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   2 years ago

            Really? What "cherry picked stats" are those?

            It's not "cherry picking" when pointing out a program that is applied to all, you dishonest retard.

            1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              Anyone with a shred of honesty knows exactly what I’m talking about.

              1. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   2 years ago

                Then it should be easy for you to back up.

                1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago

                  He'll waste more time telling you it's obvious than saying what is so obvious.

                  1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                    *yawn*

                    1. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   2 years ago

                      Don’t hide behind a nervous yawn, you lying coward without a shred of honesty.
                      Put up or fuck off.

              2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

                Well… seeing as last time you and Jeff tried to show these “facts” and got thoroughly embarassed….

                What facts sarc? The ones given here is government data. That’s what CIS uses. Actual numbers. Odd you call national statistics cherry picked.

                Is that another term you dont understand?

              3. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

                So you don't know what you're talking about, thanks for clarifying.

                1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                  I’m not going to explain anything to people who know exactly what I’m talking about, but pretend they don't because that's what people who argue in bad faith do.

                  1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

                    So you dont have any actual citation, just false bald assertions and bumper stickers. And you call others as arguing in bad faith as you refuse to provide any evidence.

                    Hilarious.

                  2. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   2 years ago

                    Awesome.

                  3. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   2 years ago

                    "I’m not going to explain anything to people who know exactly what I’m talking about"

                    We know you were lying. End of story.

          2. DesigNate   2 years ago

            Considering most of the asylum seekers are actually just economic migrants (even Jeff has admitted as much), I’m not sure what stats you’re talking about.

        2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

          Don’t pity the liar. Sarckles knows full well the difference between legal immigrants and criminal border scofflaws.

          Facts not in evidence.

        3. MerriamsFinestRoryMatilla   2 years ago

          What do we call niggers in the great white north?

        4. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   2 years ago

          I'm going to need some actual evidence for the claim that Sarc knows anything.

      2. MerriamsFinestRoryMatilla   2 years ago

        Poor niggers

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Retard

    2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

      The Narcissist’s Prayer
      .
      That didn’t happen.
      And if it did, it wasn’t that bad.
      And if it was, that’s not a big deal.
      And if it is, that’s not my fault.
      And if it was, I didn’t mean it.
      And if I did, you deserved it.

      If you deny reality hard enough you too can be right.

      Ironically, or maybe intentionally, sarc also confuses industry based visas with illegal immigration.

    3. charliehall   2 years ago

      That would be pulling a Trump. He lies all the time so now you want people to lie to Trump!

  7. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    ...California Gov. Gavin Newsom called for a statewide ban on smartphones in public schools.

    I now have a new person I want to be president.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      I'm waiting for the guy that lets us keep smartphones but bans public schools.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

        Two birds one stone (apologies to PETA).

        1. Jefferson Paul   2 years ago

          I mentioned this a month or so back, but PETA came out with a replacement saying for that:

          "Feed two birds with one scone."

          I wonder if birds fed with scones taste better.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   2 years ago

            It's one way to fatten them up.

      2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

        Maybe dumb phones and no public school?

    2. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

      Didn't expect you to be the one hanging around schools on this board?

    3. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

      How will they learn if they can't access TikToc?

  8. Jerry B.   2 years ago

    "The H-1B visa about-face"
    ?????????

    Folks here on student visas are different from folks crossing the border illegally, with no modern skills and a poor command of the language most folks speak. Conflating the two is just silly.

    1. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

      And after they overstay their visa?

      1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        They pop out an anchor baby and go on welfare.

        1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

          Poor sarc. Will generate as many strawman arguments he needs to ignore the real issues.

          1. MerriamsFinestRoryMatilla   2 years ago

            Poor niggers

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

              Retard

      2. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   2 years ago

        "And after they overstay their visa?"

        I wonder if there's some sort of mechanism that they can use to extend their visa or apply for a green card before that happens? We'll never know I guess.

        1. Minadin   2 years ago

          It worked for several of my foreign exchange friends in college. I was similarly offered a job w/ visa in Denmark when I graduated there.

        2. markm23   2 years ago

          Does the INS still routinely take six months or more to process a visa renewal, so many who applied for the renewal in plenty of time are still waiting when their visa expired? E.g., one of the 9-11 hijackers had applied for a renewal before the hijacking. Six months after he died in the hijacking, the INS approved and mailed the renewal, following their usual routine without noticing his two very significant status changes - becoming a well-known terrorist, and dying.

      3. DesigNate   2 years ago

        They’re still educated, usually high skilled, and can speak the dominant language?

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      You're right. Have you ever tried to hire college grads to work in meat packing plants? They don't last the week.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

        What about the 70% of same age non college grads? I mean they were lining up for those jobs just a few years ago.

  9. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Must Catholic hospitals be forced to provide euthanasia?

    Nobody's getting the jab anymore.

    1. charliehall   2 years ago

      I have had eight doses of the Moderna vaccine and look forward to the ninth in a few months.

      I haven't had COVID.

      But a lot of folks are basically playing Russian Roulette by not getting vaccinated. Most are Republicans. Because so many more Republicans died from COVID as the result of not being vaccinated, Arizona now has a Democratic Attorney General.

  10. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    Oh noes--Trump flip-flopped!

    Or maybe he just expressed a more nuanced view of immigration and economics.

    1. Longtobefree   2 years ago

      Or he has always distinguished between legal immigration, and criminals illegally sneaking across the border.

      1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        Visa overstays account for around a third of all illegal immigrants. Legal educated professional one day then *poof* dirty uneducated criminal the next.

        1. damikesc   2 years ago

          And?

          Michael Milliken was a highly successful trader. Then, poof, one day he was in jail and a convicted felon.

          Stuff happens.

          1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

            Um, no.

            1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

              Ha Ha

            2. damikesc   2 years ago

              Pretty much, yes.

              You break the law and you become a criminal.

              Such is life.

              1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                Now do Trump.

                My point was that skilled, educated, employed folks who overstayed their visas are still skilled, educated and employed. And that’s a good third of all illegals. To an honest person that should poke a big hole in the argument that all illegals are unskilled, uneducated wetbacks who only want welfare. Which means it’s won’t change any opinions in these comments.

                1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

                  Remember when you actually admitted Trump didn’t actually violate any laws and how it was bad? Must have been a mistake on your part.

                  Novel criminal construction good, common criminal construction bad.

                  Youre a fucking fascist.

                  To an honest person that should poke a big hole in the argument that all illegals are unskilled

                  Hey look. Another strawman so you can ignore the actual argument and the actual costs.

                2. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

                  Skilled, unskilled, whatever. There is still a process that must be followed.

                  At least green card holders have shown intent to follow the rules. Unlike illegal border crossers.

                  1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                    Easy peasy.

                    https://reason.org/wp-content/uploads/files/a87d1550853898a9b306ef458f116079.pdf

                  2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                    At least green card holders have shown intent to follow the rules. Unlike illegal border crossers.

                    Illegal border crossers, especially the ones who bring their family with them, risk deportation if they get caught. That creates an incentive to follow the law.

                    By the way, your logic is the same used by drug warriors who claim that druggies should be locked up for life because their disrespect for drug laws is proof that they are all murderers and rapists (an accusation often made by anti-immigration people against illegals).

                    Do you agree with the drug warriors? If not then why do you apply the same reasoning to immigrants?

                    1. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

                      ""By the way, your logic is the same used by drug warriors who claim that druggies should be locked up for life because their disrespect for drug laws is proof that they are all murderers and rapists (an accusation often made by anti-immigration people against illegals).""

                      You are totally full of shit on that one.

                    2. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

                      ""should be locked up for life ""

                      At no point did I mention penalty.

                      Don't you believe people should follow the rules?

                    3. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      Aw shucks, did I trigger some cognitive dissonance?

                    4. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

                      ""Aw shucks, did I trigger some cognitive dissonance?""

                      Uh, no. Makes me wonder if you know what the term means.

                    5. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      Don’t you believe people should follow the rules?

                      No society can exist unless the laws are respected to a certain degree. The safest way to make laws respected is to make them respectable. When law and morality contradict each other, the citizen has the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law. These two evils are of equal consequence, and it would be difficult for a person to choose between them.

                      -Bastiat

                    6. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      At no point did I mention penalty.

                      Way to miss the forest because there are trees in the way.

                    7. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

                      ""By the way, your logic is the same used by drug warriors who claim that druggies should be locked up for life because their disrespect for drug laws is proof that they are all murderers and rapists (an accusation often made by anti-immigration people against illegals).""

                      This is purely your projection. I did not mention anything about penalty and your example does not include anything with the intent to follow the law.

                      People who show intent to follow the law are different than those who show no intent to follow the law. That was the point you seem to miss.

                    8. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      People who show intent to follow the law are different than those who show no intent to follow the law. That was the point you seem to miss.

                      And I'm saying that committing acts that are unlawful, but do not harm the life, liberty or property of others, do not show criminal intent.

                    9. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

                      You’ve been shown this to be false dozens of times with links to blue city DAs who will not charge immigrants with deportation eligible crimes.

                      Sarc comes back with another single quote from a libertarian he has never actually read.

                    10. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

                      And I’m saying that committing acts that are unlawful, but do not harm the life, liberty or property of others, do not show criminal intent.

                      Except those criminals you refuse to admit exist, the identities stolen, the social services used up....

                      You really are a retarded hippie leftist.

                    11. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

                      Riiiiight.

                      And what sort of incentives are created by giving them hotel rooms, debit cards and free meals while telling them what a racist, terrible country they’ve snuck into?

                      Bet Laken Riley knows.

                3. damikesc   2 years ago

                  "Now do Trump."

                  Sure.

                  What crime did he commit?

                  1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                    The one he was found guilty of in New York. It's a poorly written law that is rarely if ever enforced, but he broke it.

                    According to you that makes him a criminal.

                    1. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

                      ""According to you that makes him a criminal.""

                      But does it make so to you?

                    2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      But does it make so to you?

                      I can't see how his actions harmed the life, liberty or property of anyone else, so no. If someone can convince me that they did then I will change my mind. But for now, no.

                    3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

                      You can't even define the law but claim he broke it.

                      Full on leftist retard.

                    4. Jefferson Paul   2 years ago

                      You repeatedly say the "law" Trump violated and was convicted for should not be a law, but then gloat about Trump's conviction every chance you can. Are you sure YOU know what cognitive dissonance is?

                    5. DesigNate   2 years ago

                      No, he didn’t.

                    6. damikesc   2 years ago

                      Can you explain the law?

                      Nobody else seems able to.

                      So, what crime, EXACTLY, did he break?

            3. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   2 years ago

              Poor sarc. His brain only goes so high.

            4. Corn Pop Bad Dude   2 years ago

              What exactly are you "no"-ing? The statement about Milken is true.

              1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago

                His IQ doesn't even go all the way to 11.

          2. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

            The left wants to make gun owners felons.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

              I thought we already were?

              1. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

                Three a day?

          3. charliehall   2 years ago

            Donald Trump was a highly successful con artist. Then, poof, one day his is a convicted felon.

            We bring down organized crime leaders with whatever we can get to stick.

        2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

          Here sarc confuses travel visas with employment visas. Because sarc is dumb and ignorant.

    2. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

      Facts changed.

    3. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   2 years ago

      Same view he's always expressed, after all he married a immigrant. I can't recall another president in the last 100 years that did.

      Reason is just glitching because it doesn't match their narrative that relies on conflation.

      1. Quicktown Brix   2 years ago

        Well maybe not always

        President Donald Trump signed an executive order June 22 restricting foreign nationals from outside the U.S. from using certain temporary employment-based visas through the end of the year and extending a green card ban enacted in April through Dec. 31.

        The order freezes access to new H-1B visas used by professional and technology workers

        https://www.shrm.org/topics-tools/news/talent-acquisition/trump-suspends-new-h-1b-visas-2020

        1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

          The White House said the order was issued in response to the country's exceptionally high unemployment in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic. Officially, over 20 million people are counted as unemployed by the Department of Labor (DOL), while the unemployment rate is at 16.4 percent, higher than at any time since the Great Depression.

          Because of job loss during covid...

          1. Quicktown Brix   2 years ago

            Yeah, Trump went off the rails during Covid.

            He wants automatic green cards for H-1B's to create jobs for Americans and he blocked H-1B's from entering the country to save jobs for Americans during covid.

            1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

              How is suspending importation of new workers as 20M people are getting paid by government going off the rails?

              Youre advocating welfare expansion for citizens.

              Youre not actually thinking through your arguments. Just damned if you do, damned if you dont argumentation.

              Most of these visas aren’t entrepreneurial visas. In fact none of them in that article are. Those visas require proof of investment funds.

              How many resort maids are creating jobs?

              1. Quicktown Brix   2 years ago

                How is suspending importation of new workers as 20M people are getting paid by government going off the rails?

                20M+++ people getting paid by the government is off the rails. Stimulus payments especially to corporations and pharma companies is off the rails. No liability for vaccines is off the rails. His covid response in general was off the rails.

                I was only referring to H‐1B's in response to ML. These are specifically for skilled workers. No welfare. I know the article mentions other visas, but that is irrelevant to my point.

                1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   2 years ago

                  Just because Liz mentioned the H-1B doesn't mean that visa category has anything to do with what Trump was talking about.

                  A student visa is not an H-1B.

                  Trump (at least according to what was quoted here) is talking about converting student visas for graduates (possibly even only in certain fields!) into green cards.

                  H-1B visas do not come into play here at all.

                  There are reasons -- even for native born Americans -- to favor green cards over H-1Bs.

                  1. Quicktown Brix   2 years ago

                    Well...OK. I think Liz made a common sense jump here. Once someone finishes college they need to change from a student visa to an H-1B (if they qualify). Trump’s statement seems to be upgrading the H-1B to an automatic greencard.

                    1. markm23   2 years ago

                      Why change to an H-1B instead of a green card?

      2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

        But it tricks the really dumb "libertarians" like sarc.

  11. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

    President Trump will be in deep blue territory, Philly, tomorrow night, speaking extemporaneously for 1-2 hours. President Trump shows up, unlike Crooked Joe Biden.

    Does anyone think Crooked Joe Biden is going to show up in North Philly to talk to the residents anytime soon? Not a fucking chance.

    Does anyone think Crooked Joe could talk extemporaneously for 1-2 hours? Not a fucking chance.

    Does anyone think Crooked Joe could find his way from the podium to his waiting limo, unassisted? Not a fucking chance.

    Does anyone think President Trump will win the Philly vote? Not a fucking chance....

    But President Trump showed up. He is hustling for votes. Crooked Joe sucks on an O2 bottle and takes meds to make his brain work.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      takes meds to make his brain appear to work.

      1. Longtobefree   2 years ago

        One question those 'moderators' will never ask:
        "Who is actually running the country?"

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          That would embarrass Obama, sitting behind the moderators.

          1. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   2 years ago

            Does Obama’s mic go to Joe’s earpiece, the moderator’s, or both?

            1. Jefferson Paul   2 years ago

              Is there a way or a will to check for some form of earpiece before the debate(s)? The technology today probably enables some form of communication that would be very difficult to detect. My guess is that, besides the drug cocktail to make him less incoherent, there's gotta be another ace in the hole for Biden, such as someone feeding him lines when he freezes up.

            2. MerriamsFinestRoryMatilla   2 years ago

              A nigger with his hand up the white mans ass, what's the world coming to?

              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

                Retard

                1. charliehall   2 years ago

                  Retard and racist. This is supposed to be a libertarian site not a KKK site.

          2. MerriamsFinestRoryMatilla   2 years ago

            Can you imagine a nigger running the country?

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   2 years ago

              Can you imagine not using racial slurs?

            2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

              Retard

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      "Does anyone think President Trump will win the Philly vote? Not a fucking chance…"

      Biden has the crooked brain-dead vote locked up.

    3. SRG2   2 years ago

      I am sure that Trump can speak extemporaneously for 1 to 2 hours, but you’re making a mistake similar to all those novice law students who answer the question “can A sue B?” by saying, “yes, but he’ll lose”.

      Can Trump talk coherently without a teleprompter for 1 to 2 hours? NFW.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        Ok, shrike.

      2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

        Poor shrike.

      3. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

        ""Can Trump talk coherently without a teleprompter for 1 to 2 hours? NFW.""

        Is that a problem because Biden can't do that.

      4. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   2 years ago

        Double Shrike.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   2 years ago

          Diet Double Shrike: half the lies and half the gaslighting of regular Double Shrike.

  12. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

    Wisconsin passed some eminent domain laws shortly after Kelo. One of these is restrictions of public use and eminent domain can't be used solely to create pedestrian walkways. This is an issue as dems in Wisconsin want to use it to build sidewalks. Solution? Dems on the state Supreme Court declare sidewalks are not pedestrian walkways.

    https://jonathanturley.org/2024/06/20/wisconsin-supreme-court-rules-sidewalks-are-not-pedestrian-ways-to-allow-for-eminent-domain-seizures/

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      First, Democrats claimed not to recognize a "woman". Now they can't recognize a "sidewalk". What's next, eligible voters?

    2. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago

      Volokh as an article about it.
      https://reason.com/volokh/2024/06/19/wisconsin-supreme-court-rules-sidewalks-are-not-pedestrian-ways-thus-allowing-local-governments-to-use-eminent-domain-to-take-property-to-build-them/

      Read it for the comments especially, the lengths the lawyers go to defending it.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Something about "first, kill all the lawyers"?

      2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

        Those are activists, not lawyers, have been following him around since the VC. Then more joined at WaPo. Most of them have a law degree but work for government like sarcastro. One of the reasons I dont go there much.

  13. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    The US Supreme Court upheld a 2017 tax on American-owned businesses' foreign profits...

    It's right there in the Constitution.

  14. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

    Estimate from CBO is 9M illegal immigrants under Joe.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/finance-and-economy/3050061/biden-border-surge-means-nearly-9-million-more-immigrants-cbo-says/

    1. Nardz   2 years ago

      Lol
      So 15m at least

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

        Correct.

      2. Super Scary   2 years ago

        That a lot of degrees! I wonder what they mostly major in.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Immigration policy.

        2. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   2 years ago

          "That a lot of degrees!"

          And food trucks... and cultural enrichment...

          I bet every single one is an absolute angel too.

          1. Jefferson Paul   2 years ago

            How can the economy be doing so poorly? We imported 9 million NeT pOsItiVe people into this country. We should have a booming economy as a result, you'd think.

      3. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

        5m were visa over stays!!! - strawcasmic

  15. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    America's top export may be anxiety...

    It's quite lucrative.

  16. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    'In some sense, this is the most predictable tale of all time: A politician tells donors exactly what they want to hear, and it's questionable whether he'll actually do anything based on this.'

    If "politician" is the second oldest profession, then perhaps it learned ethics and techniques from the oldest.

    1. Jefferson Paul   2 years ago

      I always wondered, if prostitution is the oldest profession, shouldn't some form of pimping be the 2nd oldest?

  17. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    'A seemingly related headline: "Trump has rapidly eroded Biden's edge in 2024 cash battle."'

    Remember when Democrats complained about fat-cat donors, and ranted about "big money" in politics? They don't but I do.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Hillary spent more money than trump did.

      https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-clinton-campaign-fundraising-totals-232400

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

        The dossier was her best investment.

      2. Ajsloss   2 years ago

        It was her turn!

    2. Super Scary   2 years ago

      I recall Bloomberg spend like a billion dollars on just ads for his campaign. They really don't care about that sort of thing anymore.

  18. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    The former Thai prime minister has been indicted for allegedly defaming, insulting, or threatening a member of the royal family.

    What has thinned the skin of Thai royalty? Hopefully it's not what did in the Habsburgs.

  19. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    The gloating insistence from progressives that they are never bothered by the behavior of disturbed people on the subway does not fit the facts about mental illness and violence...

    The loudest progressive voices use car services to get around.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

      ...Freddie deBoer in a provocative Intelligencer piece about forcing mentally ill people into involuntary treatment in order, he argues, to save them.

      In the article he blames Daniel Penny solely for Jordan Neely's death. I guess as long as Penny was being paid by NYC to capture Neely with a butterfly net any resultant lethal force would be excusable. Otherwise, the piece is fine.

    2. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

      Well, it's like a 90 mile walk from London to Stonehenge, c'mon.

    3. mad.casual   2 years ago

      Also, why would the likes of Napoleon Bonaparte and his girlfriend who says sonograms detect electrical currents be bothered by the behavior of mentally disturbed people on the subway?

  20. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

    Virtually all charges dropped against Palestinian protestors.

    But justice is blind.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/finance-and-economy/3050061/biden-border-surge-means-nearly-9-million-more-immigrants-cbo-says/

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      And by blind we mean retarded.

  21. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    Video

    How Elections Actually Corrupt The Democratic Process
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXg1YTFeEH0

    Berggruen Institute Founders Nicolas Berggruen and Nathan Gardels Challenge Us to Conceive of an Alternative Framework for Governance. To Truly Renovate Our Global Systems, the Authors Argue for Empowering Participation Without Populism by Integrating Social Networks and Direct Democracy into the System. They Outline Steps for Harnessing Globalization Through Positive Nationalism at Home While Advocating for Global Cooperation—specifically with a Chinese Partnership—to Create a Viable Rules-based World Order.

    In a Special Saturday Appearance at the Commonwealth Club, Just Weeks Before Critical Elections in Europe Where Populists Are Pushing for More Power, Berggruen, Gardels and Berggruen Institute Board Member Reid Hoffman, Co-founder of Linkedin, Will Discuss This New Approach to Governance and Why Such a Forward-looking Approach Is so Critically Needed

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      That’s funny shit.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        You might be laughing now...

        (And somebody is recording you laughter for future punishment.)

    2. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

      https://dailysceptic.org/2024/06/21/springtime-for-tyrants/

      “[Online] comments that boost the perceived support for a political party,” Spring tells us in the passage in question, “can embolden more real people to join in” (emphasis mine). She goes on:

      It is one more piece of evidence in this election that suggests individual social media users and anonymous accounts have the ability to shape the online conversation just as effectively as the content coming from the political parties themselves.

    3. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 years ago

      Every one of those things should be execited

    4. Zeb   2 years ago

      "The will of the people keeps interfering with our democracy"

    5. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   2 years ago

      Translation: democratic forms of government aren’t getting us the results we want therefore democracy is bad.

    6. Moonrocks   2 years ago

      The only way to save democracy is to fortify cancel elections.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Democracy* is too precious to let regular people meddle with it.

        *We now recognize democracy as a carefully crafted plan for humanity, developed and curated by a cadre of elite experts. So shut up, peasant.

  22. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    Remember, the specific immigrants who commit crime are statistically less likely to commit crime then you.

    France: Sudanese refugee won’t be deported despite burning down 16 apartments, multiple cars, part of a church, and seriously injuring a student
    A serial arsonist who nearly killed dozens of people will not be deported, as his life would be under threat if he is returned to Sudan
    https://rmx.news/crime/france-sudanese-refugee-wont-be-deported-despite-burning-down-16-apartments-multiple-cars-part-of-a-church-and-seriously-injuring-a-student/

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Unrelated story:
      Arson cases in Sudan fall by 50%.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        So, win-win?

      2. MerriamsFinestRoryMatilla   2 years ago

        Fucking niggers!

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Retard

    2. Nardz   2 years ago

      https://x.com/BillMelugin_/status/1803894804457361718?t=VrwYD_oJm1D0ZC9YVjKokQ&s=19

      BREAKING: In a statement to @FoxNews, ICE confirms the Salvadoran illegal alien charged with the rape and murder of Rachel Morin entered the U.S. as a gotaway “on or around February 13th, 2023” near El Paso, TX.
      Prior to that, he was caught by Border Patrol three separate times in a matter of days, and was expelled to Mexico via Title 42 each time.

      Once on 1/19/23 when he tried to cross near Santa Teresa, NM.

      A second time on 1/31/23 near El Paso, TX.

      A third time on 2/6/23 near Santa Teresa, NM again.

      Then, on his fourth try about a week later, he was able to slip into the U.S. near El Paso without apprehension.

      [Link]

      1. Zeb   2 years ago

        I'm curious how they know that if they didn't apprehend him. Cameras or something?

        1. mad.casual   2 years ago

          LOL.

          Complete the pattern: Santa Teresa, El Paso, Santa Teresa, ...
          A) El Paso
          B) Walla Walla
          C) Santa Teresa
          D) Purple

          1. Zeb   2 years ago

            Insufficient data. The real world isn't a multiple choice test.

            I think there is probably some other way besides noticing a pattern that hadn't even been fully repeated once that people figured out where he crossed the 4th time.

            1. mad.casual   2 years ago

              Trick question! The correct answer is Laredo. Since the guess was wrong, that means we have to let him into the country!

              Drones monitoring the El Paso border, receipts tracing him back to a gas station in El Paso… what does it matter? Whatever the answer is, he didn’t come in through an embassy or checkpoint.

              Or is it a non-pointed “Just askin'” curious? Cuz, like I said, the idea that we monitor our border without the ability to man every last inch of it doesn’t seem that unreal or revolutionary.

              The drone above Kenosha had to just sit and watch Kyle Rittenhouse dispatch child molesting thugs and that was on US soil with LEOs active in the vicinity.

      2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

        He never got his government money to buy a food truck.

      3. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

        Remember, whenever any right-winger does something bad, it is unfair of reporters to keep repeating that he's a right-winger who supports Trump or something. Because that is a partisan smear deliberately intended to make all conservatives look bad

        But when a Salvadoran illegal immigrant does something bad, it is absolutely necessary and proper to say every time that the perpetrator was AN ILLEGAL and was from one of those shithole countries down south. Because that is honest reporting and in no way intended to smear an entire class of people with a broad brush.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Remember that when an illegal murders you, the rest of us will smile.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

            Charming.

            1. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   2 years ago

              To be fair it doesn't have to be an immigrant to get us to smile.

              It'd be like hearing Mussolini had a fatal car accident or Hitler died of dysentery.

        2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          They've simply borrowed the dishonest leftist technique of keeping a rare event in the news until it happens again, and then claiming it happens all the time. Moral high ground is for losers.

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

            Rare? Lol.

            You and Jeff have been given the actual prison studies on incarceration rates. But please keep using Brookings who equates speeding with murder and rape to help their analysis.

            Let me guess. Government spending on illegals is rare too?

            God damn you and Jeff are fucking retarded.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

              You are referring to John Lott's prison study in Arizona? Yeah, that was an example of lying with statistics. Here is why that study is wrong.

              https://www.cato.org/blog/fatal-flaw-john-r-lott-jrs-study-illegal-immigrant-crime-arizona

              He chose a variable that overstated the number of illegal immigrants in Arizona, and then he went on to show that "illegal immigrants" are incarcerated at a higher rate than native-born citizens. No, the dataset he chose was flawed. The percentage of illegal immigrants in Arizona prisons is about the same as the percentage of illegal immigrants in the rest of Arizona (actually it's a little bit lower).

              So no, the illegal immigrants in Arizona are not, by and large, a bunch of violent thugs. They are just people, like everyone else - some are bad people who do bad things, but most are not.

              1. Jefferson Paul   2 years ago

                What percentage of inmates in federal prisons, though, are illegal immigrants?

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                  Probably a lot, but that is because immigration is a federal issue.

                  The point of studying incarceration rates at state-level prisons was to try to show that illegal immigrants are particularly violent, since violent crime is typically prosecuted at the state level. And Lott did that - by fudging the data.

                  1. Jefferson Paul   2 years ago

                    What percentage of the illegal immigrants in federal prisons committed violent crimes?

                    Are you suggesting they're mostly in federal prisons for immigration violations only?

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      I don't know for certain, the study I cited above was for violent crimes prosecuted at the state level in Arizona.

                      It would not surprise me if there were more people in federal prison who both committed immigration violations and who also committed violent crime. But that is probably due to selection bias.

                      Like any population of people, some are good and some are bad. That is my point here.

                    2. Jefferson Paul   2 years ago

                      It's pointing out that there definitely are a lot of illegal immigrants who committed violent crimes. Do I think most illegal immigrants are "violent thugs"? No. But to pretend that they are mostly hard-working, honest folk who just want to make something of themselves in this country is also incorrect. Many of them are attracted to the absurdly generous benefits they receive as soon as they say "asylum." Far fewer would be violent thugs, but still exist.

              2. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

                All of the illegal aliens broke the law; none are innocent.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                  Again the point of studying state-level incarceration data was to try to take a look at VIOLENT CRIME, not violations of immigration law.

                  Yes they broke immigration law. But it is not true that, as a group, they are particularly violent criminals.

        3. damikesc   2 years ago

          Wouldn't care about "right winger" in news stories if left winger was ever used.

          It is not.

          And I'm sorry that you feel so bad for a rapist and murderer. Seems like a you problem.

          1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

            Jeff has lots of problem.

          2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

            He mostly cares about protecting the pedophile ones like the one in NYC.

          3. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

            Here, let me be more explicit.

            You and your team deliberately and purposefully highlight and exaggerate cases of illegal immigrants committing violent crime, because you and your team want to create a false impression throughout the rest of society that illegal immigrants are a bunch of violent thugs, when in fact they are just people, like everyone else - some are good and some are bad.

            1. damikesc   2 years ago

              “You and your team deliberately and purposefully highlight and exaggerate cases of illegal immigrants committing violent crime.”

              …so a girl was NOT raped and killed?

              You should let her family know.

              Hard to “exaggerate” what happened.

              Also, difference between illegals and everybody else.

              Illegals do not belong here.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                Illegals do not belong here.

                And so to persuade people that "illegals don't belong here", instead of making a logical argument about why they should all be deported - which you know is not going to work very well - you try to paint them as a bunch of violent thugs, so people will want to see them all deported out of fear. That's the play here.

                1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                  Prove some X are Y and you've proved all X are Y. Someone with the most basic knowledge of logic would call that the fallacy of composition, while most of the commentariat would call that a persuasive argument.

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                    It's even more pernicious than that. This isn't really about some logical fallacy. This is about using emotional manipulation to achieve an outcome that they couldn't otherwise achieve using logical argument. The only way they can achieve their wet dream of mass deportations is to emotionally manipulate the public into believing that they are really violent thugs who are a danger to the public.

                    1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

                      Lol. You two idiots need to make peace with the idea that the pendulum has swung the other way. This has to happen.

                      You can blame bad policy, or bullshit propaganda like whippings from horseback, or you idiots complete refusal to acknowledge a limit.

                      But you won’t. Fucking xenophobes freaking out over a few murders, or mayors bemoaning the destruction of a once great city. What’s wrong with these people?

                2. damikesc   2 years ago

                  Them being violent helps in that whole "negative image" problem.

                  We should just be quiet when crimes are being committed but ONLY if illegals do it?

        4. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

          ""Because that is honest reporting and in no way intended to smear an entire class of people with a broad brush.""

          DEI? Anti-racism? Rachel Maddox?

        5. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   2 years ago

          Haha, Lying Jeffy is broken like sarc.

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

            If facts are bad, ignore it with an ad hominem.

        6. Zeb   2 years ago

          I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm all for making fun of dumb legislation whatever the source.
          This is a bit more relevant than some of the Republican SoCon stuff that you sometimes get though. The notion that it's somehow possible and practical to quickly switch to all "renewable" energy has become very mainstream and actually forcing things in that direction by law would be a disaster.

        7. damikesc   2 years ago

          "Because that is honest reporting and in no way intended to smear an entire class of people with a broad brush."

          Remember when people who disagreed with COVID policies just cared about themselves more than they cared about others? I do.

          You happened to subscribe to that theory, BTW.

      4. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        After the first offense, illegal border crossers should be returned to Mexico by catapult.

        1. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   2 years ago

          Because it’s cheaper than using a cannon?

          1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

            Better for the environment.

        2. MerriamsFinestRoryMatilla   2 years ago

          Kill the spics!!!

          1. Jefferson Paul   2 years ago

            Which sock account are you? With the blatantly racist language you are using, in this post and others, I'm going to guess SPB2. Am I right?

            I could also see you being a sock account for Chemjeff or Sarc, as they love creating strawman of their opponents. The main topic in this thread is immigration, and chemjeff has repeatedly painted people opposed to illegal immigration as racist, so I wouldn't be surprised if you're one of them.

            But, I don't know, so why don't you admit which regular you are, if you are a regular?

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

              Oh screw off. That is not my sock.

              And no I don't think it is racist to oppose illegal immigration per se. But a great many of the arguments made by the border restrictionist crowd are bigoted in nature. For example, the argument along the lines of "we should have strict border security otherwise the nation will be flooded with violent thugs" is bigoted crap, as it collectivizes illegal immigrants as violent thugs. Maybe if you don't want to be lumped in with the bigots on your side of the argument, you should call out the bigoted arguments when they appear.

              1. Jefferson Paul   2 years ago

                I didn't say it was. I just said the technique of decrying people with other views on the subject as racist as something you have done, so it wouldn't have surprised me on that front if it were you. And you haven't just done it to people showing obvious racist tendencies.

                That being said, I don't save links to yours or anyone else's comments, so perhaps my memory is faulty.

                Then again, you are kind of proving my point by saying the following:

                For example, the argument along the lines of “we should have strict border security otherwise the nation will be flooded with violent thugs” is bigoted crap, as it collectivizes illegal immigrants as violent thugs.

                We're being flooded with people entering the country from the southern border. Some of them are violent thugs. Some are not. "The nation will be flooded with violent thugs" is correct, in the sense that some of the huge masses of people will be violent thugs. Most are probably not violent, but we really don't know who it is who's coming in, especially when many of the people flooding in ditch their IDs before crossing the border. Pretending that even acknowledging this reality makes one a racist is a weak argument, and an ad hominem fallacy, as you try to reject the argument by smearing your opponent as racist.

                1. MerriamsFinestRoryMatilla   2 years ago

                  I'm sick of you fucking trumpists.

                  Kuckland said send the niggers back to Africa.

                  Send em back! Let's do it. That's how trump it going to get the black vote!!!!

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   2 years ago

                    Bugger off, Shrike.

              2. MerriamsFinestRoryMatilla   2 years ago

                13/50 right?

            2. MerriamsFinestRoryMatilla   2 years ago

              Dipshit alt rev said send the niggers back to Africa. I'm all in favor. Off with the masks!

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   2 years ago

                Lose your SPB2 account password again, Shrike?

          2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

            Retard

  23. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    Canada’s Parliament rocked by allegations of treason
    https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/10/canada-parliament-treason-allegations-00162163

    OTTAWA — The capital of one of the world’s most stable democracies is gripped by growing panic about foreign agents working in elected office. A bombshell report by Canadian lawmakers has unnerved Parliament Hill, alleging that unnamed politicians have been covertly working with foreign governments.

    The revelation in heavily redacted findings released this week by an all-party national security committee adds intrigue to a separate and ongoing inquiry into foreign interference in Canada’s 2019 and 2021 elections.

    The new report from the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians is the first to suggest that lawmakers in Canada’s parliament may have helped foreign actors meddle in political campaigns and leadership races. Heightened anxiety in Ottawa about foreign interference comes in the middle of historic global elections where factors such as artificial intelligence and emboldened foreign powers are testing the resilience of democratic systems.

    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has been on the defensive since the allegations broke Monday. Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre is calling on the government to name names.

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      Actual scandal or shiny object? We may never know.

      1. Mother's Lament (June is Banana Republic Month, celebrate responsibly)   2 years ago

        If it's not an actual scandal it will be the first time in years for the Branch Trudeauians.

        The Liberals are taunting Poilievre to get security clearance and go read it himself, implying that he won't because he knows that there's nothing to the allegations.

        But their real motive is that if Poilievre reads it he'll be sworn to secrecy and can be charged for divulging official secrets if the PMO hasn't declassified the report. If he reads it he won't be able to discuss it publicly anymore.

        That's why the PMO has to release it, but they won't because the PM will probably have to go to jail if he does.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      " The capital of one of the world’s most stable democracies is gripped by growing panic about foreign agents working in elected office. A bombshell report by Canadian lawmakers has unnerved Parliament Hill, alleging that unnamed politicians have been covertly working with foreign governments."

      Those damned Russians, right?

    3. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   2 years ago

      Time to call for a vote of no confidence in Justin Trudeau and get rid of him.

      1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        Are you sure he would leave?

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

          Under the circumstances Canada must be put under Marshall Law and elections cancelled. Pretty sure Justin learned that from his buddy Zelenskyy.

    4. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   2 years ago

      OTTAWA — The capital of one of the world’s most stable democracies is gripped by growing panic about foreign agents working in elected office.

      Prime Minister?

  24. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    Totes private companizes!

    https://instapundit.com/653729/
    Biden Administration continues its weaponization of federal agencies to go after Elon Musk.

    "Again ask a court to bar him from serving as an officer or director of a public company … exposing him to the possibility of removal from Tesla."...

    1. mad.casual   2 years ago

      “Again ask a court to bar him from serving as an officer or director of a public company … exposing him to the possibility of removal from Tesla.”…

      Ayn Rand's writing continues to be shoved from cartoonish and one-dimensional to freakishly real.

  25. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    Scenes from New York?

    How about scenes from Colorado, where Democrats are again up to their primary shenanigans. From the Colorado Sun:

    "A Democratic super PAC is spending at least $84,000 — and counting — to air a television ad boosting the profile of an election conspiracy theorist it wants to see win the six-way Republican primary in Colorado’s 3rd Congressional District."

    Why? Because they want to run against the looniest MAGAist candidate. Duh.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      Well, why not? It's working in other places and the GOP is effectively a dead party in that state because the Front Range is a shitlib behavioral sink. The biggest issue for the Dems is that if the relatively straight-laced Hurd is nominated, he's going to be a lot more appealing than that champagne socialist piece of shit Adam Frisch, and they want that seat desperately.

      The problem is that if this was going to work in the 3rd, Boebert wouldn't have carpet-bagged over to the 4th to try and avoid losing her job. She would have taken the free help from Frisch and taken her chances in the general.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Too true, unfortunately. But I will miss Boebert no matter how she does in the 4th district since just the mention of her name was enough to make my progressive neighbors' heads spin here in the 3rd.

        1. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   2 years ago

          Plus she’s got a nice body.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            Very squeezable, if the video evidence is to be believed.

  26. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    How non-citizens are getting voter registration forms across the US — and how Republicans are trying to stop it
    https://nypost.com/2024/06/14/us-news/how-non-citizens-are-getting-voter-registration-forms-across-the-us-and-how-republicans-are-trying-to-stop-it/

    Welfare offices and other agencies in 49 US states are providing voter registration forms to migrants without requiring proof of citizenship, leading Republicans and conservatives to call for swift federal action to stop the handouts.

    Every state but Arizona — which recently passed a law barring the practice on state but not federal forms — gives applicants for either welfare benefits, driver’s licenses, or in some cases, mail-in ballots voter registration forms without demanding proof of citizenship.

    There is currently no requirement on federal voting forms to provide proof of US citizenship, though it is illegal to falsely claim one is a citizen or for a non-citizen to cast a ballot in a federal election.

    But millions of migrants with humanitarian parole, refugee or asylum status are eligible for benefits that would bring them to the offices where voter registration takes place.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      No widespread fraud. (At least no widespread reporting of fraud in state media.)

  27. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    Science, bitches!

    https://www.dossier.today/p/pfizer-pro-quo-more-evidence-emerges
    In his new book, “On Call,” Fauci reveals that Albert Bourla, the CEO of Pfizer, called him the night after Biden was declared the winner of the election, to inform him of Pfizer's "game-changing results" from the (surely rigged) mRNA trial.

    Fauci writes:

    “On November 7, after the absentee ballots were counted, Joe Biden was declared the winner of the presidential election. It was the very next night that Albert Bourla, Pfizer's CEO, called me away from my neighbors' fire pit to inform me about the game-changing results from the Pfizer mRNA vaccine trial. I finally thought we had truly turned a corner in defeating this terrible disease.”

    ...Fauci says that Hahn “made it clear to the Trump administration that in terms of vaccine authorization he and his agency would not be pressured into taking scientifically inorrect action,” adding that “vaccine approvals would not be rushed just because the White House hoped that they would be approved before the election.”

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Politcal "science".

    2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Totally coincidental

    3. mad.casual   2 years ago

      called me away from my neighbors’ fire pit

      As it is, this part of his story it the least believable. If he’d used the word “sacrificial” in front of “fire pit”, I would find it more believable.

    4. charliehall   2 years ago

      "surely rigged"

      Not rigged at all.

      Facts don't care about your feelings.

  28. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    Student loan relief contributing to 27% jump in projected federal budget deficit, per CBO
    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/18/politics/student-loan-relief-federal-budget-deficit/index.html

    ...Most of the spike in the fiscal 2024 deficit stems from four factors that are expected to boost projected spending. The largest is a $145 billion increase due to changes the Biden administration made to student loan repayment plans and a new, proposed forgiveness program that would waive some accrued interest for millions of borrowers. The latter has yet to be finalized but could take effect as soon as this fall.

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

      Look. Joe at least recognizes the constitution per sarc.

  29. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    'Must Catholic hospitals be forced to provide euthanasia?'

    Better question: must state-run hospitals be forced not to recommend euthanasia as a preferred treatment?

    (And a future question: must national health care hospitals be forced to provide anesthesia?)

    1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      It's routine for hospitals and nursing homes to provide euthanasia for patients with hopeless prognoses without calling it euthanasia, by providing "palliative care" that involves fatal doses of pain relief medications.

      1. mad.casual   2 years ago

        It's also routine for hospital's "palliative care" to consist of shipping patients home with a lifetime supply of morphine or shipping them out to nursing homes to provide them with it.

        Anyone opposed to conscription or slavery or fascism or in support of the 1A or equality before the law should definitely get a very, very foul taste in their mouth about compelling conscientious objectors to kill people.

  30. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

    "Trump Suddenly Loves Immigration"

    how about...

    "Like abortion, Trump takes a stance that is pretty much in line with what most American's think, while the democrats push for extreme policies not endorsed by anyone but the most extreme 10%"

    His take above is threading the needle in a manner that most normal people would agree with. It's also not really a flip flop, he has been staunchly against *illegal* immigration and an open border, which again, aligns with most of the country

  31. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    '"America's top export may be anxiety," writes Derek Thompson in The Atlantic, complicating Jonathan Haidt's smartphone thesis a bit.'

    Correction: American liberals' top export is definitely anxiety.

    When you go all-in on victimhood, oppression, pandemics, and all forms of human and natural catastrophes, the growth potential is off the chart. The challenge is monetizing that growth.

  32. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://x.com/DoD_IG/status/1803865403757858845?t=qg7VVCwoXfetB46wYBG2xw&s=19

    Due to limitations in the DoD's tracking systems, the full extent of DoD funds provided to Chinese research laboratories for research related to enhancement of pathogens of pandemic potential is unknown. Read our new report now:

    [Link]

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      FAKE NEWS!!!

  33. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    DOD Inspector General Not Sure If We Spent $50 Million in Chinese Labs for Gain-of-Function Research
    https://redstate.com/streiff/2024/06/21/dod-inspector-general-not-sure-if-we-spent-50-million-in-chinese-labs-for-gain-of-function-research-n2175763

    We found significant limitations with the adequacy of data, similar to the observations the GAO found in its reports. Specifically, the DoD did not track funding at the level of detail necessary to determine whether the DoD provided funding to Chinese research laboratories or other foreign countries for research related to enhancement of pathogens of pandemic potential [author's italics]. In addition, DoD organizations did not have visibility of subaward information throughout the life of contracts and grants. In addition, except for the CDMRP electronic grants system, DoD organizations could not effectively search award systems to identify all contracts, subcontracts, grants, and subgrants that may have been related to pathogen research performed by China and other foreign countries. As a result, DoD organizations could not produce a complete population of pathogen research grants and subawards necessary for us to conclude on the use of DoD funds provided for pathogen research.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      More money needed for training!

  34. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    'The former Thai prime minister has been indicted for allegedly defaming, insulting, or threatening a member of the royal family.'

    But did he try to hide payments to a porn star?

    1. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

      At least they're honest about the prosecutions in Thailand.

  35. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    https://x.com/Project_Veritas/status/1803787015068045380

    BREAKING: Biden's State Dept Official Admits Great Replacement is Real; ‘They Want to Change the Demographics of the United States’

    “Traditional, standard Americans are not leftists. Latin Americans are all leftists. This is just to try and change the demographics [of the United States]." - U.S. Consular Officer

    “I wish people knew we were letting in criminals [to the United States] daily.”

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      It's not like they've been coy about this; it's been a talking point of the left for about 20 years.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Yes, but you are not allowed to say what they said.

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      Shocking expose or cheap fake? We may never know.

      1. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   2 years ago

        I can get behind this new meme of yours. I look forward to finding how often you can use it without reaching.

    3. MerriamsFinestRoryMatilla   2 years ago

      Remember what happened last time we let a bunch of Catholics (leftists) into this country?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   2 years ago

        Fuck off, Pluggo.

  36. Ajsloss   2 years ago

    Miller, "best known for his role in implementing a 'zero tolerance' policy at the Mexican border, in which migrant parents were systematically separated from their children

    KIDS IN CAGES!

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      Kids In Obama's Cages!

    2. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

      Nothing was a better front and center example of TDS as the claim Trump was keeping kids in concentration camps.

      I’m guessing those people think they are critical thinkers who know how to judge facts.

  37. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

    "teachers unions have been reluctant to take on the responsibility of having to enforce the policies, though they also have welcomed efforts to prevent distractions."

    They think it will be easier to push their queer/anti-white theology if they don't simply tell their students to put the digital umbilicus in a box on the teacher's desk before class.

  38. Ajsloss   2 years ago

    Compare that to a media class that sometimes pretends it's not disproportionately liberal but won't tell you who they voted for (the way Reason journalists do)

    Reluctant to advertise their strategy?

    1. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

      Kudos.

  39. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    "The gloating insistence from progressives that they are never bothered by the behavior of disturbed people on the subway does not fit the facts about mental illness and violence"

    Are you talking about plebeian progressives like the purple-haired barista rushing from her job to the protest march of the day? Or the elite progressive on her way home from shopping at Bergdorf Goodman? Because only one of these people rides the subway, and nobody give a fuck about what she thinks.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      “The gloating insistence from progressives that they are never bothered by the behavior of disturbed people on the subway does not fit the facts about mental illness and violence”

      Progressives are also mentally ill, so it's not a surprise that the actions of their fellow defectives doesn't bother them.

    2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      How could any say such a thing with a straight face?

  40. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    https://x.com/JackPosobiec/status/1803912646217076793

    Yesterday Joy Reid melted down on me saying white boy summer is "dangerous rhetoric"

    Today she is laughing as a 13 year-old was tied up and raped in Queens by an illegal

    Can you spot the difference?

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 years ago

      Anyone that thinks niggers shouldn't be sent back to Africa hasn't heard that cunt talk

      1. MerriamsFinestRoryMatilla   2 years ago

        Now you're talking, you trump guys usually aren't so honest.

        1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 years ago

          I didn't vote for Trump you retard

          1. MerriamsFinestRoryMatilla   2 years ago

            Eat shit you fucking faggot.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

              Retard

          2. MerriamsFinestRoryMatilla   2 years ago

            Whose sock are you? SpB2? Chemjeff? Sarc?

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Oh! Oh! Was it skin color?!?

      1. MerriamsFinestRoryMatilla   2 years ago

        Was it niggers? Send em back!

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      "Remember that these people want you broke, dead, your children raped and brainwashed, and they think it's funny."

      1. MerriamsFinestRoryMatilla   2 years ago

        Them niggers and spics will rape your children. Hang em high!

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Retard

        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          Are you volunteering to be a test subject? I do have a lot of paracord on hand.

  41. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    https://x.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/1803805559272907068

    NBC's medical drama, "New Amsterdam," makes the insane claim that cancer can be caused by racism.

    Not a stretch for the same company who continues to employ Joy Reid.

    Hollywood is mentally ill.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Or just evil.

    2. Moonrocks   2 years ago

      Christian Woke Science.

      1. MerriamsFinestRoryMatilla   2 years ago

        Send them niggers back to Africa!

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Retard

  42. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    'What has Javier Milei accomplished so far in Argentina?'

    I dunno. But outside of Argentina he has at least annoyed the WEF globalists, and maybe inspired a few copy cat seditionists.

    1. Moonrocks   2 years ago

      The link seems to be getting eaten, but:

      Argentina reports its first single-digit inflation in 6 months as markets swoon and costs hit home

  43. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    https://x.com/RNCResearch/status/1803976063413825965

    Biden arrives at Camp David, where he'll be holed away — and heavily doped up — ahead of the debate.

    He has zero public events on his schedule until Thursday.

    1. Ajsloss   2 years ago

      He's going to be replaced by a robot.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

        I'm thinking they'll use a cheap fake. Hoping it doesn't glitch out a la Max Headroom.

        1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

          That might help him with younger voters.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      It takes many hours to strain fetal brain cells and inject them into Joe.

    3. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      That gives them time to get his drug cocktail exactly right at the right time. If they fail at that, the debate will be cancelled at the last minute.

  44. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    https://x.com/NotKennyRogers/status/1803886184512524720

    It has now been 48 hours since we found out there are 9,000 "voters" in Georgia who are all registered to the same 2 home addresses.

    What has anyone in the GOP done about it?

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      Ya gotta know when to fold em.

    2. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      Trump's "perfect phone call" with Raffensperger is looking better all the time. This is 9,000 fake votes when he only needed 12,000.

    3. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   2 years ago

      Uniparty? What uniparty?

    4. SRG2   2 years ago

      Why were they registered there?

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        The "why" is immaterial. The point is that someone's committing voter fraud.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 years ago

          Hey, SRG is trying to change the subject here!

        2. SRG2   2 years ago

          Actually no. Voter fraud is when someone who is not eligible to vote does so. Perhaps they're not a citizen, or they're felons to whom their state denies voting rights. But if someone is a citizen who is inherently entitled to vote, and has an ID which correctly identifies them, when they vote, that is not fraud, even if they did not follow the rules concerning how ID was obtained.

          Still, this kind of nuance is often unappreciated by those who assume that all irregularities are proof of fraud, as long as they don't benefit Trump.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            Actually no.

            Actually yes.

            Voter fraud is when someone who is not eligible to vote does so.

            Registering 9,000 people to two addresses isn’t fraud? Talk about the leftist redefintion of words.

            Still, this kind of nuance is often unappreciated

            It’s not nuance. It’s gaslighting.

            1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 years ago

              Spelled "lying".

            2. charliehall   2 years ago

              Lots of people are registered at two addresses. Or three or four. What is illegal in most of the US is voting in more than one place. (In Connecticut, property owners can vote in multiple local elections.)

      2. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

        Did they live there is the question. If they did not update their voter registration when they moved, then it's on them.

  45. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

    Recall:

    Trump in 2017:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/08/02/trump-gop-senators-to-introduce-bill-to-slash-legal-immigration-levels/

    “Among those who have been hit hardest in recent years are immigrants and minority workers competing for jobs against brand-new arrivals,” said Trump, flanked by the senators in the Roosevelt Room. “It has not been fair to our people, our citizens and our workers.”

    Trump, today:

    "You need a pool of people to work for your companies," he added. "You have great companies, and they have to be smart people. You have to be able to recruit these people and keep the people. Somebody graduates at the top of the class, they can't even make a deal with a company because they don't think they're going to be able to stay in the country. That is going to end on Day One."

    So, what is the real Trump position on immigration?

    Hint: he doesn't have one, he just spews whatever comes out of his piehole at the moment that sounds good and (he thinks) makes him look good

    1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

      Don't worry, I'm sure Stephen Miller will give Trump a call in the next day or two and then at his next rally Trump will say something like "When I'm elected I will get immigration totally under control, American jobs should be for good Americans like you"

      1. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

        Frankly, it doesn't matter which of the made up scenarios you are weighing he goes for. When compared with the Biden's open border where he let millions of additional illegals in while doing nothing, only to step in and put out a limp dicked EO (that he promised he def couldn't do before) trying to salvage it, Trump looks stellar.

        Biden went with the strategy of gross incompetence/malpractice, followed by lying about being powerless, followed by using his power ineffectively. I would say he's just tripping all over his dick repeatedly, but honestly he doesn't need additional help to fall down at a moments notice as it is.

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

          Frankly, it doesn’t matter which of the made up scenarios you are weighing he goes for.

          you're right, because you are going to vote for him regardless of whatever policy he decides to put forth. A vote for Trump is not about policy, it is a vote for a narrative.

          1. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

            " you are going to vote for him regardless"

            Nah, I was swayable. The democrats had to nominate a person who wasn't a socialist, wasn't terrible for the economy, and had some reasonable policies. Oh also one that wasn't suffering from full on dementia and cant string together simple sentences.

            They didn't do that, so Ill vote for the guy who I have already lived through a presidency under, and frankly, it was a pretty good time.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

              lol look at you, pretending that it's still about policy.

        2. charliehall   2 years ago

          They aren't illegal if they are asking for asylum. Which is a visa entitlement under US law. And Trump prevented that from changing.

      2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        A flood of unskilled workers is not the same a a pool of skilled workers.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 years ago

          Drunken jeffy doesn't understand the concept of "false equivalence"; that requires an IQ above 50.

          1. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   2 years ago

            Or Lying Jeffy is…being dishonest. Crazy, right?

  46. Yuno Hoo   2 years ago

    It's especially funny that his spokesperson attempted to walk much of Trump's comments back, leaving would-be voters even more confused as to what the administration might choose to prioritize.

    Of course, this *never* happens with Biden. And no FED spokesperson walks back Powell's comments, so no one is confused about what he might choose to prioritize.

  47. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

    Oh good. Here's another example of a border wall that totally works.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2qq7x594vqo

    Why don't we become more like them?

    1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      Yeah, that should stop all the hordes of migrants trying to get into North Korea.

    2. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   2 years ago

      Actually, I think Lying Jeffy is more broken than sarc now.

    3. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

      The most secure border in the world? Where just taking a few steps over no mans land gets warning shots fired from the other side, like the South has done a few times now in recent months? Where millions of land mines both personnel and anti tank are placed? In between two countries that are still at war?

      Yes, that is probably the most extreme example of border security that does work.

      1. mtrueman   2 years ago

        "Where millions of land mines both personnel and anti tank are placed?"

        Isn't the demilitarized zone demilitarized? As I understand the area is essentially a huge nature preserve with all kinds of wild life which thrives without human intervention or presence.

  48. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 years ago

    Liz joins the ranks of TDS-addled lying piles of shit:

    “Trump Suddenly Loves Immigration”
    =/=
    ”What I want to do and what I will do is, you graduate from a college, I think you should get automatically, as part of your diploma, a green card to be able to stay in this country,”

    FOAD, asshole

  49. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

    Would you vote for a Trump/Haley ticket?

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Totally broken.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        Plus the fact that Haley will be looking to 2028 for another shot. She’s not going to get it as a VP candidate, and anyone with any ambitions beyond that probably doesn’t, either. She’ll be lobbying for something big, most likely Secretary of State, so that she doesn’t have to make any high-profile commitments before the 2 am ballot dump drops.

    2. Jefferson Paul   2 years ago

      No, I wouldn't. It would show Trump has learned nothing from how the establishment tried, and did, fuck him over in his first term.

      Also, having Haley as his VP would increase the chances quite a bit (in my opinion) of something happening (health scare, accident, assassination, lawfare) that would remove Trump from office, immediately installing the neocon the establishment wanted all along.

      What I want Trump to do, but I doubt that he will, is name someone like Vivek as his running mate. That would be insurance against all the things listed above, as well as the 25th Amendment, as I doubt the establishment would prefer Vivek to Trump.

  50. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 years ago

    I'm a credit rating service, and Bidens puppeteers decide he can buy some votes by hiding certain information from me:

    "Biden administration announces a plan for removing medical debt from credit reports"
    https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2024/06/12/nx-s1-4998853/medical-debt-credit-scores-reports-rule

    So what's a profit-seeking company to do?
    Why, look at history and deduct whatever historical value medical bills have had FROM EVERY CREDIT RATING, you idiots!
    Withholding information by law NEVER makes trade better, and given leakin' Joe's mental state, this one may have come directly from him.

  51. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   2 years ago

    The former Thai prime minister has been indicted for allegedly defaming, insulting, or threatening a member of the royal family.

    Well, we are the shining city on a hill, after all.

    1. Moonrocks   2 years ago

      You mean a model that other countries are emulating, right?

  52. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2024/06/20/well-its-the-death-of-democracy-in-california-n4930027

    This initiative, known as the Taxpayer Protection and Government Accountability Act, was backed by the business community and sought to make it more difficult to increase taxes in California. Among other things, it would have required the legislature to obtain voter approval for any new or increased state taxes. There's nothing groundbreaking about it, as voters in other states have used the ballot box to approve or deny tax initiatives before. But Gavin Newsom and the Democrat-controlled legislature were having none of it and filed a lawsuit to block the measure last fall, claiming that the initiative represented an illegal effort to amend the California Constitution and would hinder critical government operations.

    And the California Supreme Court unanimously sided with Newsom.

    The Los Angeles Times has more:

    Justice Goodwin Liu, who authored the decision for the unanimous court, wrote that the changes proposed by the measure “would substantially alter our basic plan of government,” and could only be enacted through a revision to the state’s constitution.

    The rare ruling by the state’s highest court to remove an otherwise qualifying ballot measure comes just days before ballots must be finalized. It marks a major last-minute victory for Democratic leaders and labor unions, which had warned the measure would hamstring good governance in favor of corporations if passed.

    State leaders — who brought the lawsuit challenging the measure — had also argued the measure usurped their authority.

    1. Ska   2 years ago

      Power to the people?

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      Well thank God the court saved democracy.

    3. charliehall   2 years ago

      Are you implying that there is no democracy in all the states where there is no provision for such initiatives?

  53. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/may/16/bidens-muted-response-israel-indefensible/

    The U.S. Special Envoy to Iran, Rob Malley, has even gone so far as to defend Hamas saying: “It’s a mistake to only think about [Hezbollah and Hamas] in their terrorist violence dimension … it has a charity organization, a social branch … there’s so much misinformation about them.”

    1. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

      (D)oesn't this admin want to jail political opponents for how they handled classified material?

      Biden’s Iran envoy placed on leave after security clearance suspended amid investigation into possible mishandling of classified material, sources say
      https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/29/politics/rob-malley-leave-investigation-classified-material/index.html

      Rob Malley, the US special envoy on Iran, has been placed on leave without pay, which occurred after his security clearance was suspended earlier this year amid an investigation into his handling of classified material, multiple sources told CNN.

      A US official said that Malley’s clearance was suspended amid a State Department diplomatic security investigation into the possible mishandling of classified information. Another source familiar with the matter said he was placed on unpaid leave on Thursday afternoon....

    2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      I understand Al Capone ran soup kitchens as well as being a mobster.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 years ago

        Hells Angels give out stuffed animals at Christmas.

    3. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

      Is he going to tell us the Nazis created a road and rail network that was without peer?

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

        Give a direct comparison to Nazis just below.

      2. Ajsloss   2 years ago

        They had snappy uniforms too.

      3. MerriamsFinestRoryMatilla   2 years ago

        Don't be like skeletor, vote Kennedy!

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Retard

    4. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

      Usual leftist protection of their allies.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_People's_Welfare

    5. Rick James   2 years ago

      Rob Malley is an idiot... or an unwitting genius. Hamas is a state, they are a government. Pretty much all governments have charity, a social branch etc. If we could convince the left of this fact, they might not blindly support Hamas quite as strongly.

    6. mad.casual   2 years ago

      I hear the social branch's paragliding and music festival events are to die for!

  54. Rick James   2 years ago

    Must Catholic hospitals be forced to provide euthanasia? Assisted suicide activists, and the family members of a suicide patient, are suing St. Paul's Hospital in Vancouver.

    I can't imagine any sane world where any healthcare institution, religious or not is forced to kill its own patients.

    1. mad.casual   2 years ago

      It's probably death penalty advocates' fault for making the means by which to kill humans so unreliable and hard to come by that, you know, the Catholic Hospital or any other hospital is really the only place left for a human to die.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        It’s probably death penalty advocates’ fault for making the means by which to kill humans so unreliable and hard to come by that

        It's not "unreliable and hard to come by"--the types that would be relatively quick were deemed "inhumane" and other means were pursued.

        Even in this time of inflation, a bullet to the head still only costs about a quarter at the most and would be instantaneous. Using Science! to figure that shit out is inevitably going to lead to problems.

        1. Jefferson Paul   2 years ago

          If I were on death row and able to choose my method, I'd opt for nitrogen hypoxia. The article from Reason a few months ago was such bullshit. The guy held his breath, so he started shaking, but it wasn't from the nitrogen. That being said, I hope I'm never on death row, obviously. Also, I don't support the death penalty, as I don't like the state executing citizens. It's too easy for government to abuse its powers.

          1. MerriamsFinestRoryMatilla   2 years ago

            Ask kuckland how best to kill niggers, and if that's the best way to kill spics too.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

              Retard

        2. mad.casual   2 years ago

          I figured advocates making the means they need more scarce by executing fewer people would be contradictory enough to come across as nonsense. Apparently, I needed a "/sarc" tag.

  55. Rick James   2 years ago

    "America's top export may be anxiety," writes Derek Thompson in The Atlantic, complicating Jonathan Haidt's smartphone thesis a bit.

    I have problems with Haidt's thesis as well, but I'm not sure this article confounds that thesis. Does everyone else around the world use smartphones and social media the way Americans do?

    1. mad.casual   2 years ago

      Does everyone else around the world use smartphones and social media the way Americans do?

      Without a Section 230 to protect all their free speech, I can't imagine how.

  56. Aspiring Statesman   2 years ago

    Before letting in a horde of H1b foreigners, the labor dept should ask American businesses to hire the 2-3 million idle high-tech workers now collecting food and health benefits.

    Do it like this: Every H1b request should be posted on the DoL web site so Americans who can do them can claim them. DoL could even offer a cash incentive to cover the 2 hour cost of, for instance, transitioning a programmer from Perl to Python.

    1. Stuck in California   2 years ago

      This has always been gamed.

      The whole move to more H1B in the Clinton era, accelerated in Bush, etc... was something like Microsoft putting out some ridiculous requirement for a job, like PhD in something or other, then hiring on an H1B since no American could fill it. It did a few things.

      1. It pushed the cost of job-specific training off on to job seekers. Rather than being generally qualified than trained by the company. Since American college is so damned expensive, getting a PhD in something only one or two companies would hire is a bad gamble. Opportunity cost alone is ridiculous, beyond the ever rising cost of tuition and expenses.

      2. It created a captive employee. No job, the H1B gets revoked, so employees never demand raises or complained about work abuses for fear of losing their job and having to go back to Bangalore.

      3. The stagnation in wages in high tech caused lots of the brightest in fields like mathematics to go into lucrative fields like finance as the better way to capitalize on their very expensive education.

      4. We ALL know, H1Bs were massively abused. Lots of stories of consulting companies hiring H1Bs and replacing American labor for things as generically focused as IT, where loads of qualified legal workers could fill the spots and be trained.

      The only thing that changed any of this was the Great Recession, where some aspects of High Tech were the only places that people could make money and massive local unemployment soured the job market further. But, even then, it wasn't till the 20teens that tech wages started advancing again.

      All that said, H1Bs are quite different than people walking across the border. And I'm disappointed in Liz for pulling the "kids in cages" lie, knowing full well that Obama did the same, and that the perception of lax border laws massively incentivizes people to crash the border. Make an argument, that's fine, but stop with the bullshit. If you need emotional BS like that to support it, the argument isn't as strong as you think.

      1. jake leone   2 years ago

        Preferring someone on a visa, simply because they are on a visa, is job discrimination. Yet, there is a company called Dexian (McClean VA) that is advertising OPT (that’s a student visa) candidates can apply, for about 30 or so tech jobs. Ironically, in those same job ads, Dexian claims to be an EOE employer, which clearly they are not.
        Further, Facebook committed 2600+ cases of discrimination, over just a 1.5 year period. Because they protected foreign workers undergoing the Green Card process, from competing with better qualified local candidates (by Facebook HR’s own admission to Federal Investigators).
        What happens is that manager’s from certain other countries just plain don’t want to hire better qualified locals. And our laws allow this to occur, and companies are rarely audited. Lawyers tend to work with hiring managers, they serve that class. Hiring managers look for every reason to exclude local candidates and prevent an open competition for work in the United States.
        It is bigotry and it is job discrimination.
        And it is all documented in DOJ vs Facebook 2020 and DOJ vs Apple 2023.
        The C-suite get’s a whining chorus of “We can’t find any locals”. From hiring managers that are bigoted.
        But when company personnel are interviewed by DOJ investigators, where lying to a Federal Investigator risks a 10-year prison sentence. We learn the truth.
        Further, we also know, from the San Francisco Chronicle that Facebook refused the free offer of the Chronicle to place the (Green Card) job ads on the Chronicle website.
        And the reason is because corrupt hiring at our tech companies (and the U.S. Green Card and tax law) result in massive discrimination against better qualified local U.S. engineers.
        And if you support stapling a Green Card, without reform of the OPT, H-1b, and Green Card system, you are either uninformed.
        Or you are a racist bigot.

  57. SRG2   2 years ago

    Trump's idea is a good one. However, while people are correct to distinguish between legal and illegal immigration, I am sure that there are plenty of people who oppose immigration in general - Miller cited as one such - and who would oppose a blanket greening of graduates, particularly from Asia. And they will generally be Trump supporters. I wonder whether "thoroughly vetted" is an inadvertent dog-whistle for "white".

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Asians are now white.

      1. MerriamsFinestRoryMatilla   2 years ago

        As long as we can agree that niggers need to go back to Africa, amirite?

    2. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

      Ideally more vetted than the Ecuadorian migrant that kidnapped and raped a 13 year old the other day in NY, or the one who bashed a young girls skull in in Georgia this year.

      You know, the kind the democrats are begging us to keep letting in

      1. MerriamsFinestRoryMatilla   2 years ago

        Not a nigger this time?

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Retard

      2. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

        Joy Ried chuckled at that.

        1. MerriamsFinestRoryMatilla   2 years ago

          This guy gets it. Gas the spics.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

            Retard

      3. SRG2   2 years ago

        What's the overall violent crime rate for illegal immigrants? I am aware that many humans have an almost crippling cognitive impairment when it coms to instances versus statistics, so perhaps you can't help it.

    3. Rick James   2 years ago

      No, "thoroughly vetted" is a dog whistle for non-open borders. That's why people complain so bitterly about "thoroughly vetting" because that means the borders are no longer wide, gaping open.

      Do you remember the 'thoroughly vaccine vetted" controversy with the Biden admin where they literally were thoroughly vetting legal immigrants and specifically not thoroughly vetting illegal immigrants on the southern border?

    4. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 years ago

      "...I am sure that there are plenty of people who oppose immigration in general – Miller cited as one such – and who would oppose a blanket greening of graduates, particularly from Asia. And they will generally be Trump supporters..."

      SRG goes for the gold in conclusion-jumping!

    5. sarcasmic   2 years ago

      Show me someone who says the law is the law no exceptions when it comes to immigrants, and I'll show you someone who says the law doesn't matter when it comes to Trump.

      Principals, not principles.

    6. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      I am sure that there are plenty of people who oppose immigration in general

      I doubt that. Cite?

      1. SRG2   2 years ago

        Certainly. Q10 from Cato’s 2021 immigration survey
        https://www.cato.org/media/59594
        (Spreadsheet is top left)

        Generally speaking, how much immigration do you think would be good for the country?
        High level of immigration 23%
        Low level of immigration 68%
        No immigration 9%

        9% is certainly “plenty” when translated into actual numbers – 23 million or so adult Americans. So your doubt should be assuaged.

        As you’re an honest conservative your mind will now be changed.

    7. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      I wonder whether “thoroughly vetted” is an inadvertent dog-whistle for “white”.

      Only to the extent that adequate vetting is impossible for immigrants from shithole countries without modern record keeping—which, of course, would be predominately non-"white" countries. Or, from hostile countries that would refuse or falsify records.

      1. SRG2   2 years ago

        Hence the "inadvertent"

    8. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

      Fucking crackers and their dog whistles, amirite, not shrike?

  58. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/06/19/why-is-patriotism-only-acceptable-during-an-england-game/

    We can learn a lot about our betters from looking at each exception to their rules. Don’t be racist – except against Jews. Believe all women about sexual assault – unless they’re Israeli. Oh, and be careful not to ‘culturally appropriate’ the slightest thing from any other nationality, even to the point of never wearing a sombrero in a Mexican restaurant – but it’s fine to be a cross-dressing man culturally appropriating my sex. Meanwhile, if you’re a woman, be a good little Transmaid and stand by smiling, even if you call yourself a feminist.

    1. mtrueman   2 years ago

      Dachau blues, Dachau blues, those poor old Jews
      Still crying about the burnin's back in world war twos.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duUxD2LkYb0

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 years ago

        Antisemite asshat trueman thinks the holocaust is a joke.

  59. jake leone   2 years ago

    The real problem is that we give away half the H-1b visas to Offshore Outsourcing companies. We give a 15% discount to hire a foreign student stem worker over a local student. We have a sham market certification for a Green card.
    Fix these problems, require companies to use free job boards when certifying for a Green Card, and if the Green Card applicant fails, the job is given to the best qualified, the former Green Card applicant can get 60 days to look for another job. Otherwise, may be we don't really need them.
    Harsh, I know, but go and try and find a job in India, or China if you are an American. They will simply kick you out.
    Extend the 15% discount to all students and the unemployed as part of a "The Apprentice" program. All tech jobs require some training, hence 3-year discount for all (no more discrimination, enshrined in tax law, against people of U.S. nationality for jobs in the United States), yeah let's try eliminating the discrimination right there.

  60. MerriamsFinestRoryMatilla   2 years ago

    Can we all just agree to send the niggers back to Africa? Then we can let some of these spics in, if they learn English and are catholic.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Retard

      And in case I missed any your your retarded posts, here you go:
      Retard
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      1. MerriamsFinestRoryMatilla   2 years ago

        Any your your posts? You been hitting the hooch?

        Are you voting for Biden or stein?

      2. MerriamsFinestRoryMatilla   2 years ago

        Btw, I'm chem Jeff's sock, also kuckland the faggot.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 years ago

          FOAD, asshole.

          1. charliehall   2 years ago

            There has long been a bad racist element in the Libertarian movement in the US. We are seeing in in spades here.

  61. TJJ2000   2 years ago

    Correct Article Title.
    Reason swallows their own BS propaganda about Trump.

    No. Trump didn't suddenly change. I'm sure strong border security and a good immigration policy is still on his agenda. It's just all the BS extremist-drama (i.e. "If I can't get a free-pony ride for everything I want and into citizenship it's unfair.") hit the fan.

    1. charliehall   2 years ago

      If you don't think that was a change you have not been following Trump.

      Or you are like Winston Smith in 1984. Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

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