Palestinian Students at Columbia Are Still Protesting. Is Anyone Listening?
Protesters came back to Columbia during reunion weekend. Palestinians tried to share their tragedies amidst the carnival-like atmosphere of campus politics.

Columbia University had its class reunion this weekend. And along with alumni like me trying to relive their college years, pro-Palestinian protesters came back to campus. While some students picketed outside, urging alumni not to donate to the university, another group inside the campus gates set up an "encampment-style installation" titled "Revolt for Rafah: Installation I."
Protesters unfurled a banner that stated "we're back, bitches." Later, they erected a scale model of a Mark 84 bomb, an American-made 2,000-pound weapon used by the Israeli military, next to a map of upper Manhattan showing the bomb's blast radius. A sign invited people to "ask us anything" but only a few alumni engaged with the protesters. Others snickered from a distance. After I left, one of them was filmed shouting rape threats against the protesters.
That was the strange, discordant vibe of the day. On one hand, there was the irreverent, almost festive air that comes with campus politics. (While students decorated model Israeli bombs, someone at the journalists' table joked that it was "summer camp.") On the other hand, Palestinian students tried to share serious grievances with the Israeli government and the U.S. role in the war, which has personally affected many of them.
"We're not just demonstrating for the sake of protesting," Palestinian refugee and Columbia graduate student Mahmoud Khalil said at an impromptu press conference outside the encampment. "We're doing that for the sake of Palestine."
Palestinian-American undergrad Maryam Alwan added that "we've all been particularly shaken by the horrific scenes that have come out, of a father holding his headless child, bodies being burned alive. For months, we thought there would finally be a red line where the world would wake up….We are going to draw a red line with this encampment."
Layla Saliba, a Palestinian-American grad student, chimed in. "I also want to say that this is something very personal for many students. Many Palestinian students at Columbia have lost family." In an April essay for the Columbia Daily Spectator, she wrote that the casualty numbers in Gaza don't "include the thousands of bodies trapped under the rubble, including the bodies of my family members, some of the last Palestinian Christians in Gaza."
The students' main demand is for the university to make sure that its endowment does not invest in companies "that profit from Israeli apartheid, genocide and occupation." The list of proposed divestment targets runs the gamut from weapons manufacturers directly involved in the war—like General Dynamics, which makes the Mark 82 bomb—to companies with less obvious roles.
Amazon and Google, for example, provide cloud services for the Israeli government. The construction equipment manufacturer Caterpillar sells bulldozers to the Israeli army. Barclays Bank, in which Columbia has a $2,600 stake though exchange-traded funds, invests in weapons companies. Columbia's investments are a drop in a very small bucket, often with very indirect connections to the war.
During the last wave of campus protests, Columbia University history professor Adam Tooze wrote that "the whole dispute has the feel of shadow boxing. A small group of students camped on one lawn, in a very large university complex, calling for relatively minor financial rearrangements in a baggy and poorly managed endowment, are turned by the repressive action of the University administration under pressure from politicians and donors, into a global news story."
When I asked about the connections between divestment targets and the war, Khalil said that the listed divestment targets were just "examples," since most of the university's investments are not in public markets and therefore not subject to public disclosure. Full disclosure of Columbia's investments, so that the protesters would know what to target, was another demand.
"We feel that this information should be accessible to everybody," Saliba said. "Columbia has made bad faith efforts in negotiations at transparency. They've said that, 'oh, we'll provide this information to one person if you sign a [nondisclosure agreement].'"
Asked about this claim, university spokeswoman Samantha Slater refused to comment.
Although the protesters can make the case that Columbia is connected to the violence abroad and many of them have a personal stake in the issue, it's also hard to deny that the nature of campus politics has worked to drown out their message. At the height of the student unrest, American media treated Columbia students' reactions to the war—and the reactions to the reaction—as a bigger story than the war itself.
The domestic debate in America shifted from U.S. military support for Israel, which most Americans are unhappy with, to the rules around campus protests, which a plurality of Americans want to crack down on.
"The media can say whatever they want, but ultimately, what we are doing is about Palestine and about what is going on in Rafah, and we've made that as clear as possible," Khalil told me.
After the press conference, organizers pointed me to a spokeswoman named Layal, who declined to give her last name, for follow-up questions. She said she felt like a "fifth-class citizen" as a Palestinian growing up in Nazareth and expects to face trouble from Israeli security services when she returns home.
Layal was confident that young people around the world "are hearing us and in agreement," despite the fact that "any action we take is going to be villainized." When I asked whether certain actions—like sympathizers outside the gates shouting antisemitic chants—might make that villainization easier, Layal answered that "we know our values and we would just hope that anyone who's here would adhere to it."
As we were speaking, protesters raised a banner that called for an intifada, the generic Arabic term for a rebellion. In a Palestinian context, the word often refers to a wave of unrest that began in the late 1980s and another much more bloody uprising in the early 2000s.
A lot of ink has been spilled, including by members of Congress and the White House, over whether intifada is a form of violent incitement. I asked Layal if she thought protesters had any responsibility to make it clear that they weren't calling for violence with the phrase.
"We know that it's an Arabic word meaning 'revolution,' and that's really it," she responded. "Whatever you project onto it is going to be a symptom of who you're listening to."
Unlike the student occupation of "Hind's Hall" in late April, which was cleared out by heavily-armed police, the new encampment melted away quietly. When reunion weekend ended, protesters agreed to leave. According to the Daily Spectator, an unnamed organizer made a speech reminding participants to clean up their trash—and promising that the demonstrations will continue.
"Everybody in Palestine has always said change can only come from within America," the organizer said. "And the revolution is only in the hands of the youth. We are the youth and we are the change makers."
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They'll continue to protest until the Soros money stops.
Palestinian Students at Columbia Are Still Protesting. Is Anyone Listening?
No, next question...Unless they are protesting against Hamas.
Jews, not Palestinians, are on trial by the UN ICJ which has also ruled against their actions and told them to cease their offensive in Gaza.
Israel and every other signatory to the UN genocide convention is OBLIGATED to comply with the ICJ ruling.
Biden is demonstrating that the US is Israel’s genocidal bitch. That’s on every US citizen.
What kind of lying genocidal wastes of skin, sign, ratify and renege when caught in the act?
You tell me Kol Nidre boy.
“All vows, obligations, oaths, and anathemas [curses]which we may vow, or swear, or pledge, or whereby we may be bound, from this Day of Atonement until the next we do repent. May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void, and made of no effect: they shall not bind us nor have any power over us. The vows shall not be reckoned vows; the obligations shall not be obligations; nor the oaths be oaths.”
Fuck off and die, Nazi asswipe.
Uh, no.
That was easy.
Can’t even take good advice……..
I look forward to Israel slaughtering Hamas to the last man. As you cry for Islamist genocidal murdering filth.
Funny, these Gazans would beg to differ with both you and Hamas:
Palestinians Protest Against Hamas in Gaza
https://youtu.be/a_T3uW_o6ro?si=ML07yeHpFQziPKKJ
Fuck Off, Nazi!
"ICC seeking arrest warrants for Hamas leaders and Israel’s Netanyahu"
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/05/1149966
You seem to leave out that Hamas leaders are also being charged.
Unless you are saying Hamas in not Palestinians.
Like a fuckwit, you’re repeatedly confusing the ICC with the ICJ.
The ICJ is the UN international court of justice which has ruled against Israel using the UN genocide convention which both the US and Israel are signatories to and are obligated to comply with.
The ICC, the international criminal court which will soon issue arrest warrants for Netanyahu and his ministers is the continuation of the Rome Statute dealing with crimes against humanity which the US was a signatory to but later reneged from.
When signatories to the UN genocide convention defy their obligations and are allowed to remain members of the UN, they only weaken it.
Biden should swing along with bibi, on the gallows for their complicity in the holocaust going on in Gaza.
Regarding Hamas arrest warrants, I look forward to both Netanyahus and Hamas having their days in court.
The US has already pissed in that pool having stated that it will oppose all criticism of Israel that doesn’t also criticize another group.
Blanket coercion deflecting recognition of Israeli atrocities doesn’t advance justice.
“On July 26, 2002, John Negroponte, the United States Ambassador to the United Nations, stated (during a closed meeting of the UN Security Council) that the United States will oppose Security Council resolutions concerning the Israeli–Palestinian conflict that condemn Israel without also condemning terrorist groups. This became known as the Negroponte Doctrine, and has been viewed by officials in the United States as a counterweight to the frequent resolutions denouncing Israel that are passed by the UN General Assembly.”
I'm curious what "Palestinians" are protesting? Where did these "Palestinians" come from? Calling people Palestinians is like calling people Narnians and calling for their return to the wonderful nation of Narnia, they're fictional people who come from a fictional place.
Thank you for demonstrating the absolute depravity of Jews.
But since the world already recognizes for all time that you’re committing a holocaust, can you really be any lower?
"We know that it's an Arabic word meaning 'revolution,' and that's really it."
Oh, I guess that's okay then...
Not enough Arabic language grads?
Memo to Columbia Protestors: You're back, bitches. Now go home.
https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1798044119476183361?t=WeRTJqL-KGI9GBUvFXR6kA&s=19
WHITE COUPLE ATTACKED IN CHICAGO BY A MOB OF UNNAMED TEENS:
A husband & wife were brutaIIy attacked by a mob of "teens" on Friday in Chicago. The wife suffered a miscarriage from it.
The attackers didn't even rob them, and are already out without any felonies.
2 teens got minor misdemeanor charges.
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I’m a truly civilized society, the husband would be legally justified in hunting down this filth and executing them.
But in Chicago, he has to apologize for being White. If he’d pulled a gun a capped a couple of them, he’d be in jail.
So, unfortunately, we have to nuke the entire city.
Build The Wall.
It's almost to the point where they're making Jack Nicholson look like the good guy.
This is one of countless reasons to get rid of the democrats.
It's time to get racist. Really your only defence.
Never give young urban Blacks the benefit of a doubt. Act defensively while you have the option.
"And the revolution is only in the hands of the youth. We are the youth and we are the change makers."
You are the dreamers of dreams.
Nah, they are at best qualified to be barista change makers if this is where their critical thinking drives them. Fuck these terrorist apologists and their death cult ideologies.
Change makers require numeracy. math is racist.
So avoid bridges designed by 2 Spirit architects.
This isn't funny, UCLA Medical School is admitting idiots and turning out morons with MDs. A bad doctor can kill dozens of people, a bad engineer can kill 10's of thousands.
Before I retired, I dealt with many young engineers and on the whole, they were at least as competent a group as any I've worked with over the last 50 years. In fact, the most recent group were the best I'd ever seen. How long this will continue, I can't say.
Boeing may be the canary in the coal mine. If so, we're in for a very bad time.
I agree. My comment was in no way meant to be aspirational. Rather, it was mocking these morons that think having a sleepover on Columbia's lawn makes them agents of change.
There are good reasons that many cultures send their young adults away for missions, visions quests, spirit journeys, petty wars, and other opportunities for self discovery. Most recognize that these not-quite adults are extremely stupid, very disruptive, and maybe a little dangerous to have around. Those who survive and mature might be welcomed back.
They also don't want the young men fucking the young brides of the wealthy old men.
Unfortunately, the youth are dead-ass morons whose changes end up making things even worse than before.
Probably because the youth are blacker/browner than ever
The problem is they’re all pinko on the inside.
Not like we haven't heard this before...really gets tiresome, every new generation thinks they cover the waterfront on just about everything.
In 40 years they can scream at clouds.
Was anyone listening in the first place? Or were we all just rolling our eyes at the over-privileged neonazis?
Palestine isn't even a real thing.
Exactly.
Point to it on a map without reusing Israel.
Better yet, point to a map or globe without country names and borders. Unless you get within 100 miles, your idiot ideas do not count.
Palestine is like Antifa. It's just an idea.
A bad, stupid, ill conceived idea.
WHO attacked Israel first? This is like listening to someone pick a fight and then complain how unfair their fight was. Where's the sympathy for Russia trying to conquer Ukraine? /s
The World Health Organization attacked Israel?
Can't say I'm surprised, as long as they can raise the troops from somewhere.
This may come as a big shock to you, but the history between Israel and the people of Palestine goes back long before last year.
I’m serious.
I’d say look it up, but you’ve made it clear that learning is leftist.
If we go back far enough, the Jordanians in Gaza have, LITERALLY, zero valid complaints about anything.
To give a semi-serious answer to your totally-unserious response, this conflict started a century ago when some Europeans drew lines on a map and gave territory to their favorite royal families and warlords. It’s gone downhill from there for the people who live there, especially after a bunch of people from oceans away with lots of guns created a new country right there in the middle.
It would be like some alternate reality where The United States was plural not singular, the Cherokee get the backing of some military power and then took back Georgia by force, killing anyone who got in the way. Except the Cherokee were kicked a really long time ago. If you lived in Georgia, wouldn’t you be pissed?
It'd be more like if the US left Georgia and decided to give the land to the Creek and the Cherokee. And then the Creek decided to refuse the offer, get some Natchez, Seminole, Choctaw and Alabama tribes together to try to kick the Cherokee out, get their asses kicked and forced to the margins, then become terrorists who refuse any and all offers to split the land with the Cherokee, even though the Cherokee are completely technologically and militarily superior.
Ok chorizo.
Good point.
I was referring to your small penis, whichever desperate troll you happen to be. I am impressed that you paid for a new account just for me.
Go away, you think you’re introducing information we are not aware of. You are not. In fact, you’re just generally stupid, ignorant, and drunk.
As usual.
So fuck off.
Are you familiar with the history of the region at all?
You know Palestinians are Semitic?
Backing warlords is something Islam is also fond of?
You're as smart and honest as Nardz.
Then the creek attack Cherokee civilians, run back to their territory and hide in hospitals and churches and amongst women and children while continue to launch indiscriminate attacks on the Cherokee. While also begging anyone who will listen to tell the Cherokee to stop attacking and oppressing and genociding them.
I've seen those phrases before. Are they original?
You've lost me.
You’re an odd shill. Keep up the good fight.
He’s drunk and stupid. This won’t.
Oh, and he’s a committed leftist, even though he falsely claims to be a libertarian.
"To give a semi-serious answer to your totally-unserious response, this conflict started a century ago when some Europeans drew lines on a map and gave territory to their favorite royal families and warlords."
The Jews were there for centuries before Islam existed. This is not even debated.
Muslims then conquered the land and drove the Jews out. Also, not debated.
You do not get to decide where the starting point of this conflict is. The starting point is MILLENIA ago.
Why is 1948 the starting point and not, say, 7th century AD? When you grant historical complaints full standing then ALL of them have standing, not just certain ones.
Leftist ?learning?. LOL...........
"It's so unfair I can't have my cake and eat it too. Guess I'll pack me-up some Guns (Gov-Guns) and go STEAL from those 'icky' neighbor people."
"There's no such thing as a male or female."
"Poking other men's stinky poop holes is natural."
"Money grows on trees."
"Being Anti-racist is all about every persons skin-color."
"Being Anti-fascist is all about implementing fascist policies."
"Being Anti-sexist is all about entitling one sex over the other."
The funny thing is leftists think their ?learning? isn't BS.
They're not called Leftarded for nothing.
yeah, and Israel left them alone in Gaza for 18 years.
Something changed on October 7th -- an unprovoked terrorist attack targeted at civilians, murdering, raping, and taking hostages by Hamas.
Don't start a war and then complain that the other side is good at it.
don't they have Parades to bash?
"Palestinian Students at Columbia Are Still Protesting. Is Anyone Listening?"
No, and nobody ever has been listening these spoiled, rich kids.
Bullshit, it may be a small percentage of spoiled kids, it’s well organized Marxists/Antifa leftist foot soldiers.
With Soros paychecks.
Shouldn’t they be fighting the IDF in Gaza? I’d chip in for a ticket.
While wearing their purple hair and LGBTQXYZ rainbow T-shirts, I hope.
Get your Rainbow Hijab for Pride Month.
The Bee:
Not the Bee:
The convergence is nigh!
After decades of incompetence and fuck ups - from the inability to secure a sea route against a militia that doesn't even have a navy to the botched installation of a pier, the navy finally expresses regrets. Over pride uniforms.
You bet! Hamas always needs more useful idiots to act as human shields.
https://x.com/AFpost/status/1797004610076659830?t=GjYhOLMxTv64vfnAX-p4Yw&s=19
Mexico has seen its bloodiest election cycle ever in modern history, with 37 candidates assassinated in cartel-related violence this year alone.
Democrats take notes.
By any means necessary.
Ayann Hirsu Ali has a new substack on the free press, and Honestly podcast ‘We have been subverted’ on the Marxist coup and following subversion methods that destroyed Somalia, a childhood she lived through. Understanding the importance of subversion, or destroying within, comes from the old Soviet coups that are playing out in this country in real time.
What is her proposed solution?
Well, from what I've seen, Ayaan Hirsi Ali wants everyone to convert to Christianity without even knowing dick about the doctrine, just for the sake of convenience and thinking that it somehow defends The West against Islam.
Mind you, she's not condemned to Hell by Atheists for converting from Atheism to Christianity, but it is such a lame non-argument she makes.
A pity too, since she was the sultry Sade of Atheism. In her hey-day, "every day was Christmas and every night was New Year's Eve" to hear and see her speak.
"And the revolution is only in the hands of the youth. We are the youth and we are the change makers."
With the education that these characters received, I doubt that they could make change for a $20.
"Is Anyone Listening?"
The campus protests are old news by now. They garnered a lot of attention in the news media and Reason, but failed to accomplish their goals, for the most part, ie to divest from businesses profiting and enabling Israeli genocide.
The new thing, responding to calls from the leftist and supposedly Chinese communist party funded Palestinian Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) is to gather in Washington and surround the White House. Keep June 8th open if you want to participate. Organizers are expecting tens of thousands to attend. PFLP is one of the many groups in Palestine with a militia fighting imperialism in and under Gaza.
That goal failed because there are no businesses profiting/enabling Israeli genocide. Because there's no Israeli genocide to profit from or enable.
Palestinian Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) is to gather in Washington and surround the White House.
Why don't they gather in Gaza? Maybe find a way to incorporate it with Pride Month. Sync up with Queers for Palestine. At the top of a tall building. I'm sure Palestine would love to... kick off such an event. Just to make it crystal clear who and what is being supported.
"That goal failed because there are no businesses profiting/enabling Israeli genocide. "
In that case, I take it back. It was a success, after all. Thanks for your input.
"Why don’t they gather in Gaza?"
Washington is where the string pullers are. Besides it's closer than Gaza.
"Palestinian Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)"
Moron, it's Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.
Being a moron, not so bad.
Being a nasty-assed disgusting antisemite, like misconstrueman? That is a pretty pathetic POS masquerading as a human being.
"Being a moron, not so bad."
Bad? For imbeciles like you it's an improvement.
Go help out sarcastro, he does have your ability.
You realize that Palestine was - is - always has been - the aggressor in their hate-on for Israel, right? Like, 10/7? Israel didn't start that. Palestine did. And they did some really beyond the pale stuff while they did. Gang-rapes and babies-in-ovens type stuff.
So why are you calling it an "Israeli genocide?"
Washington is where the string pullers are. Besides it’s closer than Gaza.
Yea, but they're not going to get any direct input from the people of Gaza. It'll be like a game of telephone. No, they should all just go to Gaza and enjoy the warm reception. Which has nothing to do with actual fire, I'm sure.
"You realize that Palestine was – is – always has been – the aggressor in their hate-on for Israel, right? "
Palestinian tried peaceful resistance. In 2018, when Trump and Netanyahu were celebrating the move of the American embassy to Jerusalem, thousands of unarmed demonstrators gathered in Gaza. Israeli snipers murdered dozens and maimed hundreds more. That made violent resistance all but inevitable. If Israel wanted to avoid violent confrontations with Palestine, they had their chance. Now they must face the consequences of their barbaric choices. The idea that Palestinians would treat their occupiers with kindness and respect after all they've been subject to is ludicrously wrong headed. Don't be such a zionist stooge and try to educate yourself.
"Yea, but they’re not going to get any direct input from the people of Gaza."
The people of Gaza are busy at the moment, resisting a fascist occupation. Your concern for them is noted and appreciated.
Sure. Where is your link?
Humm, so to fight against "genocide" as you call it, you build bases in schools and hospitals. You also use children as human shields.
Can you point us to the arab country that is taking in Palestinians, you POS?
Why the fuck did you let us pass through the fence on Oct. 7th last year, unopposed? Did you think we had an urge to sample the local hummus? We were armed, you fucking idiot; you brought this catastrophe onto yourself.
The Arab countries won't take in Palestinians because they don't want them starting wars in their country and ruining their economies.
That made violent resistance all but inevitable. If Israel wanted to avoid violent confrontations with Palestine, they had their chance. Now they must face the consequences of their barbaric choices.
So, you think the women, children, and elderly on 10/7 had it coming, do I have that correct?
The idea that Palestinians would treat their occupiers
There is no Palestine. THEY are the occupiers.
Don’t be such a zionist stooge
There it is!
The people of Gaza are busy at the moment, resisting a fascist occupation.
Surely they have time for a pride parade. Isn't that really what's most important in this most holiest of months to the people of Gaza?
"So, you think the women, children, and elderly on 10/7 had it coming, do I have that correct? "
I think you picked the wrong neighborhood. Next time, try to find a place that isn't so close to a concentration camp filled with revenge seeking, heavily armed goyim. Maybe Florida might do.
You didn't answer the question.
Did the victims of the 10/7 terrorist attack have it coming?
No, they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. They chose to be in the wrong place. Hamas chose the time. What do you think?
I think you will find yourself in the wrong place at the right time very soon.
You said, “No.” So, does that mean you’re condemning the acts of those scumbag neonazi Palestinian butchers? Or are you vacillating to avoid putting the words I know you’re thinking on the screen?
Just say it, coward. Say, “Those Jews – even the babies – had it coming.” Why can’t you admit that, if that’s what you really believe?
Or do you not believe it?
It’s hard to be on the side of terrorists, isn’t it.
"So, does that mean you’re condemning the acts of those scumbag neonazi Palestinian butchers?"
I've never supported acts of butchery, by anyone. Why would I condemn some acts of butchery by some people and support other acts of butchery by other people? That seems your position. It's morally bankrupt and reprehensible.
"Just say it, coward. Say, “Those Jews – even the babies – had it coming.” Why can’t you admit that, if that’s what you really believe?"
I've already addressed the question. If you didn't like my answer, feel free to make up one that makes you happy.
"It’s hard to be on the side of terrorists, isn’t it."
We're all on the side of terrorists, including you, and you don't think it's hard, do you? You seem to be reveling in it, like the nazi pig in shit you are.
I’ve never supported acts of butchery, by anyone.
Then let's hear it. I want to see you type the words, "Palestine was wrong, those Hamas butchers should be held to account for their butchery."
Say it.
You can't do it, can you. You can't take the cognitive dissonance. You want to support terrorism without saying you support terrorism.
You're on the side of terrorists. I know it. YOU know it. Everyone can see it plain as day. Why won't you just admit that? You keep trying to rationalize it like you're no different than anyone else.
But here's the difference.
I am NOT supporting the side that puts babies in ovens, gang-rapes kids, and incinerates the elderly.
YOU ARE.
OWN YOUR POSITION, MTR.
OWN IT, you pathetic coward. If you can't even put it into words, then you don't even mean it. You're just an empty sicko bigot, just like the rest of them. Say the words. Say what you REALLY mean. OWN IT, if you are really THAT committed to it.
Or don't. And deny yourself your 72 virgins, you hypocrite.
I answered these concerns of yours in another comment. I'll repeat it here for your convenience:
“So, does that mean you’re condemning the acts of those scumbag neonazi Palestinian butchers?”
I’ve never supported acts of butchery, by anyone. Why would I condemn some acts of butchery by some people and support other acts of butchery by other people? That seems your position. It’s morally bankrupt and reprehensible.
“Just say it, coward. Say, “Those Jews – even the babies – had it coming.” Why can’t you admit that, if that’s what you really believe?”
I’ve already addressed the question. If you didn’t like my answer, feel free to make up one that makes you happy.
“It’s hard to be on the side of terrorists, isn’t it.”
We’re all on the side of terrorists, including you, and you don’t think it’s hard, do you? You seem to be reveling in it, like the nazi pig in shit you are.
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That should clear things up for you. If you've any further questions, don't hesitate to ask.
The fact that you STILL feel compelled to obfuscate it should really tell you something about the position you’ve taken. If it had any legitimacy at all, you’d state it plainly. But you know it doesn’t, and that’s why you can’t. You also know it’s wrong, and that’s why you won’t.
How fascist was the occupation on October 6th?
Israel wasn’t even occupying Gaza, they were letting Hamas (chosen by the Palestinian people) run it. And instead of coexisting peacefully, Hamas chose to launch a horrific terrorist attack. Now they’re complaining that Israel is responding appropriately, to put a stop to threats like that.
War sucks. Try not starting one next time.
"How fascist was the occupation on October 6th?"
Fascist enough to motivate Oct. 7th. Is that fascist enough for you?
"Israel wasn’t even occupying Gaza,"
Sure they are. There's soldiers in there now, murdering anyone who wasn't born a Jew.
So that motivation was justified then, yes? You are literally rationalizing and justifying Hamas butchers raping kids, torturing the elderly, and putting babies in ovens. Is that your position?
Yes or no. Is. That. Your. Position.
Don't get confused. It didn't justify it. It is what it is.
"Hamas butchers raping kids, torturing the elderly, and putting babies in ovens. Is that your position? "
It isn't my position. I suppose Hamas went out to get hostages and overrun the IDF divisions based around Gaza. They accomplished both goals. Any atrocities were probably done by young Palestinian men who weren't members of the militias and weren't subject to militia discipline, chain of command etc. They probably tagged along when they saw an opening in the fence for kicks or curiosity. A lot of the civilian casualties were probably due to overzealous and undertrained panicky Israelis, grown too used to mowing down everything in front of them, civilian and militant alike. That's my position. Is yours any different?
Yes, mine is correct and yours is wrong.
Any atrocities were probably done by young Palestinian men who weren’t members of the militias and weren’t subject to militia discipline, chain of command etc.
So, that would be from the 30% of the population that is the so-called "peaceful" Palestine?
A lot of the civilian casualties were probably due to overzealous and undertrained panicky Israelis, grown too used to mowing down everything in front of them
Yes, they were so confused that they stuck their own babies in ovens and piled a stack of tires around grandma and lit her on fire and kidnapped their own citizens off of the beach to rape them to death. Gosh those darn Jews. Too bad Hamas/Palestine didn't exterminate them, right?
Do you have even the slightest idea how absurd your position has to be to in ANY way defend Palestine? You're like KAR defending the pedophiles. It just can't be done, because you are unequivocally wrong in every way, shape, and form on the subject.
"Yes, mine is correct and yours is wrong. "
Yours is not yours. Yours is whatever Israeli apologists and government spokespersons tell you it is. You only parrot propaganda. I'd prefer if you think for yourself. You seem capable. Give it a try. An exercise: find something in an official Israeli announcement or speech and dispute it, doubt it, or disprove it.
"So, that would be from the 30% of the population that is the so-called “peaceful” Palestine? "
When has Palestine been peaceful? They are refugees living behind barbed wire under military blockade. Does that really sound like a recipe for peace to you? It did to Netanyahu. Until it didn't.
"Yes, they were so confused that they stuck their own babies in ovens and piled a stack of tires around grandma and lit her on fire and kidnapped their own citizens off of the beach to rape them to death. "
Makes you wonder why Netanyahu didn't stop them when he had the chance, doesn't it. Keeping them caged up for decades like animals only to ignore warnings of something big afoot, and letting thousands of armed inmates come pouring through the fence. Well, I guess he must have thought they wanted to sample some fine Israeli vegan fare. Or do some sight seeing, and acts of loving kindness to the Jews they met along the way.
"Do you have even the slightest idea how absurd your position has to be to in ANY way defend Palestine?"
I do. I have been following Palestine long enough to know that. But right is right, even when it's absurd.
Yours is not yours.
Yet I'm the one who doesn't have to vacillate and obfuscate what I really mean.
You are.
You can't even bring yourself to put what you mean into words. You want dead Jews. Babies. Elderly. You don't care even a little bit. You just want them dead.
But why can't you SAY that.
I'll tell you why: because it's wrong, and you know it.
That's why you can't bring yourself to own your position. That's why you keep hiding it and tucking it behind something - anything - else.
Because you're a coward. All the terrorists, at the end of the day, are cowards. It's why you hide behind women and children. Because you're not courageous enough for a straight fight.
A fight you know you'll lose. Because evil always does.
When has Palestine been peaceful? They are refugees living behind barbed wire under military blockade.
There it is. I even tried to give it to you. I gave you 30% deserving the benefit of the doubt.
And you just obliterated it.
Palestine is NOT peaceful. They are murderous. You seem to think that murder is justified, but yet you can't bring yourself to put that into words and really own your own argument. Why is that, I wonder.
Makes you wonder why Netanyahu didn’t stop them when he had the chance
Because it's someone else's job to tell you, "Don't put babies in ovens?" Is Palestine such a group of primitive savages that they need their betters to explain something as basic as "Don't put babies in ovens" to them?
And if so, why the f are you defending them!?
You should read my comments again more carefully if you are interested in my thoughts. All I see is shrill projection on your part. I've given my positions, answered your questions and if that doesn't make you happy, well, get over it. So in a comment rife with hysterical accusations and mind reading, you only managed one question:
"And if so, why the f are you defending them!?"
Answer: I prefer colonized to colonizer. Occupied to occupier. It's as simple as that. Perhaps you were looking for something deeper, but there it is.
Ahh, so you're a Marxist then. Of course. The critical theory on display that has turned otherwise probably somewhat intelligent people into racists, bigots, and now terrorist sympathizers.
The damnably foolish canard that the United States can dictate to Israel what its foreign policy should be. It does not, which is why these protests are foolish.
"The damnably foolish canard that the United States can dictate to Israel what its foreign policy should be. "
Gaza is domestic policy. Greater Israel is all the land between the sea and the river. It includes Gaza.
between the sea and the river.
That's the Euphrates River.
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"Spouting nonsense is an end in itself."
Your Nazi act is tired; fuck off and die, asswipe.
I have no idea what you are getting at with that.
Gaza is part of Greater Israel. So is the West Bank. The tricky part is that most maps we are likely to see have the old internationally recognized borders. Maps published by Zionist or Palestinian nationalists have the whole thing together, Greater Israel. I figure that will be the eventual shape of things to come. I don’t see a two state solution that will be lasting. What's your opinion on this weighty subject?
They served their purpose. Contacts have been made with the same people that lay you your $.50 to post here. Now they will be organized and deployed at places like the upcoming democrat convention this summer.
Got to admit, I’m looking forward to watching the festivities. Hopefully it makes 1968 look like Woodstock.
""PFLP is one of the many groups in Palestine with a militia fighting imperialism in and under Gaza.""
Who exactly are they fighting?
If they are fighting under Gaza what is above them? Hospitals? Schools?
"Who exactly are they fighting?"
Damn good question, TrickyVic (old school), be sure to let us know if you ever find out.
"If they are fighting under Gaza what is above them? "
Damn goof question, TrickyVic (old school), be sure to let us know if you ever find out.
He did let you know, asshole.
Be fair. Mtrue is pretty stupid.
Good to know they still offer summer school for the kids who are a little slow.
Any mention of the Duke men’s lacrosse team?
They're all playing on the women's team now.
Is it now ok if they hire a stripper?
Anybody notice the protestors are absolving themselves of any responsibility for any statements or actions other protestors take. Somebody says "Hilter had it right" -- not their problem. "Death to Jews" -- not their problem. Somebody from their encampment kills a fellow student they think is a Jew -- not their problem.
Microaggressions suddenly don't seem to matter so much to them.
This is why it’s always the right call to savagely beat hippie student protesters.
" On the other hand, Palestinian students tried to share serious grievances with the Israeli government and the U.S. role in the war, which has personally affected many of them."
Go pound a landmine. Did you protest when HAMAs attacked on Oct 7th? What about when HAMAs was elected as the government.
Where is the protest to have HAMAs sign a ceasefire.
' After I left, one of them was filmed shouting rape threats against the protesters.'
You know who else uses rape as a weapon?
That actually makes me wonder what specific words were used. My suspicion is that someone suggested that the protesters would be raped in Gaza. The counter-protester may have even said something along the lines of "I hope you're raped by the people you support."
The lack of an actual quote usually means the words in context don't support the writer's narrative
As anyone around these parts who is the least bit familiar with a woodchipper can and should be able to attest. Even for agents of the Fedgov “I hope…” is not an actual threat.
More of the usual evidence of Reason's sad and retarded slide away from liberty that it seems Petti chooses to represent it as he has.
" is not an actual threat"
True. It's called a 'veiled threat.' Like 'nice place you've got here. Shame if anything were to happen to it.' The trick is to make a threat without making an actual threat. How's that for a retarded slide into liberty for a change?
Yeah, Tudtud doesn’t appear to be carrying around a woodchipper credibly threatening people with shoving them personally into it as much as engaging in *responsive* (as in there was clearly an exchange before the video starts and Tudtud isn’t just creeping in the bushes waiting to fulfill her pro-Palestinian retard rape fantasy) wishcasting. An act that is no more or less threatening or free speech than an individual chanting “From the River to the Sea.”
Neither party appears particularly bright (It is Columbia U.), but if the campus tent retard brigade weren’t out there LARPing, shouting veiled threats, Tudtud wouldn’t be reacting entirely within her rights in turn.
This is the same tactic that was practiced by Antifa and BLM since 2016, where they would go into a public place or restaurant and agitate off camera until someone got agitated and started to react well within their legal rights. Then the BLAMtifa morons would start filming at the reaction and post it up as though they were the victims rather than the agitators.
Arguably, it goes back further to gays walking into pizzerias and calling them out for refusing to cater their wedding. But really, while all manner of diving, flopping, and crying victim are ascendant in the victimocracy, false flags are nothing new.
And, of course, none of this even really touches the false equivalence of videos of actual rapes from Oct. 7 getting posted online, the hostages held to this day who almost certainly aren’t all going to be returned in a manner like they just got back from a spa (if they’re returned at all), and tents full of protesters across numerous campuses in a not-directly-involved 3rd country expressing their solidarity with the rapists’ political cause… relative to the one alumnus who tossed out a “Is it really a veiled threat if there’s rather transparently nothing behind the veil” comment?
It's very much akin to the exceedingly racist "Somebody somewhere tying a noose is effectively committing the entire Black Race back to slavery." notion. Uh, no. The Black Race can handle one person somewhere tying a noose and if you're using that as the explanation or excuse for why they can't or shouldn't be able to be expected to be civilized, like they're all a bunch of Manchurian candidates, that's pretty fucked up.
Orcas?
It bears repeating that Hamas could have ended the civilian casualties in Gaza at any time, by releasing all of the hostages and surrendering to face justice for their crimes of October 7th.
Maybe, just maybe, they could protest against Hamas not surrendering and not freeing the hostages taken on 10/07?
Otherwise, I am understanding calls for "intifada" to be support for Hamas and its atrocities.
It bears repeating that Hamas could have ended the civilian casualties in Gaza at any time, by releasing all of the hostages and surrendering to face justice for their crimes of October 7th.
The secret best part about this line of reasoning is the unquestioned foregone conclusion that Hamas is utterly incapable of telling it’s fighters “Don’t shoot unarmed civilians. Don’t rape women and post it on the internet.”
You pee on a Quran in Abu Ghirabe, expect a court martial. You torture some people in Gitmo, expect an admission of guilt and maybe remuneration from Chocolate Jesus. You parachute into Israel, kill a bunch of innocent civilians at a music festival, rape a girl and parade her corpse in the back of your pickup truck across the internet in a manner that would make the relatively universally despised racists who killed Emmett Till jealous? Expect an “That’s our guy!” from Hamas.
I mean, even on US soil among US elements, people like Tim McVeigh are regarded as a rogue element, their acts against women and children despised, and their behavior justifying summary execution.
Again, and I've probably made this comment too many times. Palestine is not an actual place. It has no borders. It cannot be occupied. The "Palestinians" are not a race or even a unique ethnicity. The Israelis cannot commit genocide against a group of generic Arabs. Do they have some legitimate gripes? Sure. But this entire argument operates outside of reality.
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Palestine has never existed as a nation-state; it has been, historically, an area occupied by semites, Jews included as some of the original occupants until they were forced to leave by, first, the Romans (who can, in no way be considered 'native'), and later by others, until they managed to buy enough property to move back to that territory and petition the world (as it were) to be seen as a nation.
The nazi imbecilic asshole trueman hardest hit.
It should also be noted how this conflicts with their otherwise rampant historical ethnodistortionalism as well.
That is, if you buy their retardation, people of Sub-Saharan African complexion have been a part of Norse and Saxon culture since their founding and into the modern era. To the point that we can’t really know if Cleopatra or Anne Boleyn’s skin color for sure (despite the paintings, sculptures, records, etc., etc.). But we know for absolute certainty that, without any such similarly exhaustive or conclusive period-specific evidence, that every last land owner was evicted by the Romans for any given period by which things might, then or now, lapse back into common ownership/unsettled land.
We cannot know that 10,000 yrs. ago, people *didn’t* migrate from Sub-Saharan Africa to the glaciers between Denmark and Norway and weren’t just omitted from the cultural record for the last 2,000 yrs. because of The Nazis, The Klan, and White Supremacy, but we know the Romans were 100% successful in parsing Jews from Arabs down to the last drop from between what is now Lebanon to what is now Egypt 2,000 yrs. ago because, ‘Well, we’re sure they documented their exhaustiveness somewhere. They tore down some temples in Jerusalem, that’s for sure.’
In breaking news: Columbia University has agreed to stop bombing Gaza.
My CAT stocks are doing wonderfully. CAT makes machines with intrinsic value. You poi t to that tractor and it has value. I have also engineered some equipment for them.
You were incorrect in suggesting that most Americans back a cease-fire. Your references a February 27 poll. The most recent poll from Harvard says that 80% of Americans back Israel and only support a cease-fire after the defeat of Hamas.
https://thehill.com/policy/international/4629597-americans-israel-hamas-gaza-student-protests-poll/damp/?nxs-test=damp
^+1 - There is hope.
"Everybody in Palestine has always said change can only come from within America," the organizer said.
This sounds like a veiled threat! Everyone in Palestine needs to learn to govern themselves or go to their Muslim neighbor’s countries to ask for help. Americans do not share their values and Palestine does NOT share ours, so looking here for help or change seems unrealistic and most people see this for what it is.
"And the revolution is only in the hands of the youth. We are the youth and we are the change makers."
There’s a reason the median age range is so low in these backwards failed states. It’s also the reason they become failed states dependent on big sugar daddy America to feed and clothe them. Wisdom comes with age and experience, none of which these entitled selfish brats have.
All Marxists should be liquidated.
"everybody in Palestine" are fucking idiots, if that's what they believe.
If Gazans want things to be different, change needs to come from within Gaza.
Also, why are there so many "Palestinians" with family back home at a very expensive university in America? Population of Gaza is like 2 million, and the place is most definitely NOT known for the quality of its primary educational institutions. Exactly how many students have lost family?
And how did they even end up here? I mean, you have to work really fucking hard to come from the eastern Mediterranean to the US. If it's so bad here, why the fuck are you going to that effort? Go someplace where someone gives a shit, because it ain't here.
Seriously, the least sympathetic protestors since those whiny bitches screaming for safe spaces and screeching at professors in the 20teens. We don't believe them. They're just the latest global issue being used to make Americans unhappy, and these "students" are fine being Soros pawns.
I don’t have to “listen” to any arguments that are intellectually dishonest or are rooted in bias. No one should listen to silly claims that Russia had a right to invade Ukraine. It doesn’t matter how many Russians occupy college campuses to make that point.
Ask these Palestinian students to condemn Hamas. Ask them to condemn their own attacking Jewish students. Heck, ask them just to condemn Iran for supplying Russia with suicide drones, which prolonged the occupation of Ukraine.
Watch them get all pissy, accuse you of being Islamophobic, or twist like pretzels to play equivalency game or deflect. “But but but what about Israel and America”.
If Muslims don’t confront the stone age barbarism of their culture that invites dramatic response from the civilized world, nothing will change. You can sympathize with German citizens despairing over allies bombing their cities. But we dare not let them use their self inflicted wound to cosplay as victims. Ordinary Palestinians were very much behind 10/7.
The only way to minimize civilian casualties in Gaza is for Hamas to surrender. But I’ve never seen a SINGLE college occupier make that claim. Not a ONE. They actually got pissed when Israel considered flooding Hamas tunnels. They take down posters of Israeli hostags. They are not interested in peace. They are interested in conquest. They SAY as much. Believe them.
"...If Muslims don’t confront the stone age barbarism of their culture that invites dramatic response from the civilized world, nothing will change..."
This.
There is a claim of false equivalence that the bronze-age culture of Islam is somehow equal to the West (and Israel).
Not going to bother to cite the books, since the cites are pretty much irrelevant to the facts:
You, as a supposed "civilization", deny the contributions of half of your population, and yet hope to be seen as a "civilization" Equivalent to those who do not do so?
Who are you hoping to fool? Those brain-dead shits on campuses? Brain-dead CNN addled shits?
Either grow up or stuff your camel-hobbing head-wear up your ass; the world really needs you to fuck off and die.
No one really cares. They are pro-Hamas supporters who don't care one lick about the well-being of the people of Gaza.