Colorado Hasn't Even Approved Ranked Choice Voting Yet, and Already Lawmakers Are Trying To Delay It
An amendment in the state's election law would delay implementation of a proposed November ballot initiative. Voting organizations urge a governor's veto.

When Coloradans head to the polls in November, they'll be voting on more than just which uninspiring geriatric to send back to the White House. They may also get to pick an entirely different way to vote, by adopting ranked choice voting. But state lawmakers want to delay the effort before the vote can even happen.
Ranked choice voting (RCV) is not a new concept, but it has gained traction in the past few years. On a traditional ballot, voters pick one candidate per office, and whoever gets the most votes is the winner—in most states, even if they don't win an outright majority.
But on an RCV ballot, voters can rank each candidate in order of preference. If one candidate gets over 50 percent of the votes, then that candidate wins. But if no candidate gets an outright majority, then the lowest performer is eliminated, and all ballots that picked him first are retallied with their second choices counted. This continues until a majoritarian winner is declared.
RCV is now used statewide in Alaska, Hawaii, and Maine, plus localities in fourteen other states have also approved its use—including Colorado towns like Boulder and Fort Collins.
Colorado Initiative 310 would authorize the process statewide. Starting in 2026, in an effort to "have more choice to elect candidates who better reflect the will of a majority of the voters," the proposal would replace party primaries for state and federal offices with a "primary election featuring all candidates for those state and federal offices, with the final four candidates advancing to the general elections," where voters could rank the four in their preferred order.
Ranked choice voting is not without detractors: "I will oppose this effort to rig our electoral system in Colorado with everything I have," tweeted Rep. Lauren Boebert (R–Colo.) after the measure was announced. "Ranked choice voting is a scheme launched by well-moneyed interests who are only concerned with their own power and not giving Coloradans a choice at the ballot box."
Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin blamed her state's switch to RCV for her defeat in her 2022 race for U.S. Congress. While 17 states allow RCV in some or all elections, nine states have outlawed it since 2022.
Now, lawmakers in Denver are apparently trying to forestall the measure before voters can even weigh in.
"Last-minute provisions added to a broad bipartisan election bill would create a major barrier to efforts to overhaul Colorado's election process," Jesse Paul reported last week at The Colorado Sun. A brief amendment added to Senate Bill 210, which passed both chambers of the state Legislature, "would require a dozen Colorado municipalities in counties of a certain size and with a specific demographic makeup to conduct ranked choice elections," wrote Paul.
The amendment was added by state Rep. Emily Sirota (D–Denver), who called the amendment "a totally fair way to ensure if the voters pass a ballot measure that it is rolled out in a methodical way." The amendment featured contributions from the Colorado County Clerks Association, whose executive director, Matt Crane, told The Colorado Sun that "anytime that you are going to make a seismic change to an election model, it's a bad idea to do it without understanding all the impacts of it."
Not everybody is convinced: A consortium of voting rights organizations, including the League of Women Voters of Colorado and FairVote, which supports the adoption of ranked choice voting, signed a letter to Gov. Jared Polis, urging him to kill the bill.
"[Sirota's] amendment applies a convoluted, and perhaps unmeetable, set of terms and conditions which would indefinitely delay, and likely prevent, implementation," the letter reads. "Creating a phony pretext that gives partisan elected officials the authority to effectively stop implementation of a law approved by voters is very simply wrong."
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RCV is as gay as the LP candidate.
Also extremely stupid. (RCV, not sure about Oliver.)
Either voting, as what some of us consider the actual meaning of democracy, is very important or it is just an inconvenience. And like anything considered important, taking shortcuts and going cheap will only destroy the integrity and confidence of people trying to use it.
Look, fuckheads, if you want to have multiple rounds of voting, then hold multiple elections.
RCV is idiotic...the real improvement would be to have an election and if no one passes the 50% post ALL the candidates are disqualified and a new batch is put on the ballot within 90 days and a new vote is held. If you can't get 50% you should not govern
the real improvement would be to have an election and if no one passes the 50% post ALL the candidates are disqualified
This would make things even worse - what would end up happening in practice is that parties would end up exercising very strict control over who gets to appear on the ballot, because the consequences of a 'spoiler' splitting the vote on one side or the other is very severe. It would lead to less transparent government.
It's between a stalking horse to 'repair' or replace the EC and a progressive "Do something! Not nothing!" knee-jerk non-fix to an issue that has nothing to do with voting.
There are a hundred less ground breaking and more effective changes, akin to the one you suggested, and a hundred more ground breaking and more effective changes than RCV that actually function as advertised. RCV is a solution no one wants in search of a problem to cause.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow%27s_impossibility_theorem
From Wikipedia
This why libertarians--i.e. unrelated option C--push for ranked choice voting.
RCV is as anti-American, anti-Representative government as it gets.
One voice, one vote.
Not this, "Well if I can't get X, I guess I'll settle for Y. Fine Z then, whatever." garbage. That serves ONLY the people in power, who want to KEEP power.
As far as I know, you can still just put X as #1 and leave #2 and #3 blank in you want. No harm, no foul.
Which means you lose your vote if it's outranked.
if your vote was outranked, that means thy were already not winning. RCV is a way you can vote for the person you want, while still indicating which of the two guys likely to win you would prefer if who you want gets eliminated. (your “lesser of two evils.”) if you don’t want either of those two and leave it blank, it is pretty much the same as it was without RCV.
RCV won't work in cases where there are only two candidates with a realistic chance of winning. I also see a fair number of state and local elections where the incumbent is running unopposed. How can RCV work with only one candidate?
Because what they don't tell you is that the "C" isn't really there.
What's the problem? If the incumbent is unopposed, s/he's unopposed regardless of which voting method is used. If there are only 2 candidate with a realistic chance, one of them will still be the winner, it's just that with IRV voters aren't forced to forego a protest vote for an unwinnable candidate if they want to affect the choice between those 2.
What's the point in holding an election at all with only one candidate?
It's not that RCV won't work in that scenario - it's that it won't make a difference comared to traditional voting.
Except they might have been.
They might have been in 1st place, with 49% of the vote.
American elections aren't what the consolidated majority vs the disorganized minority want. If a vote were 49% for one person, and 1% for 51 other people - why should ANY of those 51 people even be considered when only 1% wants them?
I think the confusion is finally apparent - you are confusing plurality with majority. 49% for A and 1% for 51 other candidates is a plurality, not a majority.
Some jurisdictions do allow vote winners based on a mere plurality. The US presidential election is one such. Single-election plurality votes have all the failings of RCV along with many, many other failings. On any theoretical measure of voting effectiveness, plurality voting ranks pretty much at the bottom.
The US presidential election DOES NOT allow for a plurality.
It can only appear that way if you count the votes by a method that is not being used.
The electoral college must reach a majority or the election is thrown into Congress. BUT under the rules followed in most states, a mere plurality wins ALL the electoral votes for that state - and the votes of the majority of voters in that state are ignored.
There have been several elections where the electoral college turned a plurality into a majority because of the "
winnerplurality takes all rule." E.g., in 1960, John F Kennedy won with a 49.72% plurality in the popular vote and a margin so thin that proving a few stolen votes in either Chicago or Texas might have reversed it - but good luck with getting crooked Democrats to investigate their crimes. But he won the electoral college by nearly 3-2, and flipping that would require flipping more than one state. It was more extreme in 1860 and 1992.In 1860, the Republicans were only 4 years from being a radical splinter party but had a good candidate in Lincoln, the south split the Democrat party and gave him a chance, and a fourth serious candidate inserted himself just because he thought the first three were nuts for not getting along. Lincoln wasn't even on the ballot in several states, but narrowly beat Northern Democrat Stephen Douglas across most of the northern states, winding up with 40% of the popular vote - so a clear majority of Americans preferred one of the other candidates - but over a 2-1 majority in the electoral college.
In 1992, independent candidate H. Ross Perot got 19% of the national popular vote, proven liar GHW Bush got 37%, and sex fiend Bill Clinton got 43%. Break it down by state, and only Arkansas and Washington, DC had a majority vote. Each of the other 49 states gave their entire electoral college vote to someone whom more than half of their voters had voted against! And the result was that Clinton - whom 57% of Americans had voted against - won the electoral college by a majority of over 2 - 1.
if you allow new entrants every time you have a vote..that could work but the system used in the LP showed the problem..
Strawman fallacy. What you fear is has no resemblence to how Ranked Choice Voting actually works.
No, it's not. Let's rank choice with some historical figures.
Here's my rank, from the available choices.
1) Jesus.
2) MLK.
3) Caligula.
4) Stalin.
Nobody gets 50%. But MLK is the lowest voted, because most leftists hate his guts and everything he stands for. So he's out.
Round two. Two frontrunners, given America's vocal majority. Stalin in the lead. 49% say Jesus. 48% say Stalin. 3% say Caligula.
Caligula's out. But they all throw their votes to Stalin. A majority of people don't want him, but he gets in power anyway.
Stalin wins. Which, of course, is the goal of RCV.
Representative government demands a majority vote. Not a plurality of "I guess I'll settle for..."
If you support this RCV nonsense, then you are literally an enemy of every single thing that the Founders fought, bled, and died for. And you're my enemy.
Another contrived hypothetical with contrived results. Try something real.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0261379414001395
As a result of ballot exhaustion, the winner in all four of our cases receives less than a majority of the total votes cast, a finding that raises serious concerns about IRV and challenges a key argument made by the system's proponents.
But I know. You want the collective, which can't find a consensus, to outweigh the individual. Like I said - as anti-American as it gets.
Why don't you try one of your contrived hypotheticals with the current voting system? How does that work for individuals?
Why must you resort to strawmen attacks on what you think I think instead of trying to refute what I said?
How do you get collectivism out of my counter proposal?
Typical light-weight knee jerk response.
Did you read the study?
Because it's behind a paywall, no. But I did read the abstract and the visible snippets and their entire hypothesis depends on the phenomenon of ballot "exhaustion" - in other words, voters getting far enough down in their choices that they opt out of further selections. What that hypothesis misses is that the same phenomenon occurs in traditional run-off elections. If you look at in-person voting, the total number of participants goes down with each run-off. The study authors do not, at least in the non-paywalled sections, address that phenomenon nor make the case that instant run-offs are any worse.
So pay for it you cheapo. It's a scientific journal that you should be reading anyway. Pony up the couple of bucks so that you can meaningfully contribute to the conversation.
The result is indistinguishable from the same cycle sorted out via run-off elections except that the run-off elections take many months and hundreds of thousands of dollars to carry out. Ranked-choice voting merely condenses the time and expense of what we already do.
If you can't puzzle out simple math like this, well, I'm not too worried about being declared your "enemy".
I did puzzle out the math. You replied with "Well, it's not worse."
The most hilariously retarded part of the issue is that, like an utterly retarded tool, you continue to obfuscate the problem, which is IRV, with the RCV. Rather obviously and openly admitting that you don't actually want to make the system any better, you just want to fuck with people.
"The result is indistinguishable from the same cycle sorted out via run-off elections except that the run-off elections take many months and hundreds of thousands of dollars to carry out."
Except that time and money is mostly additional campaigning that likely affect the choices people make so it's not a given that the results would be indistinguishable.
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Since the participating voters are not the exact same set as the original during run-offs, the results are patently not "indistinguishable from the same cycle sorted out via run-off elections." Most often, voter turn out for run-offs is lower than for the previous vote. And some people that did not vote in the earlier round(s) will vote in the run-offs. Unless election/run-off cycles are limited to the exact same voters at every ballot casting step, the ends are certainly not indistinguishable, regardless of the means.
False. ICV-IRV specifically voids 1 man, 1 vote.
Just one of many cases-in-point:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Burlington_mayoral_election
Someone votes:
1. James Simpson
2. Dan Smith
3. Andy Montroll
4. Kurt Wright
5. Bob Kiss
What gets/got counted:
1. James Simpson2. Dan Smith3. Andy Montroll
The 4 and 5 position never get counted even though votes were cast. If someone else cast 4 and 5 votes in a different order, their votes can/did get counted. This isn’t just choosing a loser candidate and their candidate vote getting counted even though their candidate didn't win either. If you add up the other votes that got discarded, Bob Kiss doesn’t win, in line with this person ranking him last. This is the system specifically discounting one person’s 4 and 5 votes in favor of another person’s different choices of 4 and 5.
Moreover, the selective and convoluted nature of the disclosure of who actually got what ballots makes manipulation easier. If the 4 and 5 positions above had been discarded, you’d never know Bob Kiss wasn’t, in fact, not the candidate with the most votes.
Ultimately, the method is pointless horseshit advanced under a false premise. That if we allow more votes for more parties we’ll somehow get more diversity or more moderate and responsive government. Despite the obvious fact that multi-party coalition democracies are known for their ability to slip into brutal dictatorship and violent turmoil. Hitler and Lincoln were both 3rd Party candidates.
Another contrived hypothetical with contrived results. Try something real.
It’s not hypothetical. It's specifically how the method does and did work. All the votes are there. If you count them all equally, you get a different result. It’s only by discounting some of the votes based on nothing other than the order in which you counted them that you get a different result. The winner isn’t the person with the most votes or the most popular candidate, it’s the person with the most votes in the right order. Moreover, as indicated, were someone to not count the subsequent votes *and* destroy the records, no one would know if the actual most popular candidate had won or not.
https://arxiv.org/html/2303.00108v2
The August 2022 special election for the U.S. House of Representatives in Alaska featured three main candidates and was conducted by the single-winner ranked choice voting system known as “Instant Runoff Voting.” The results of this election displayed a well-known but relatively rare phenomenon known as “Condorcet failure:” Nick Begich was eliminated in the first round despite being more broadly acceptable to the electorate than either of the other two candidates. More specifically, Begich was the Condorcet winner of this election: Based on the Cast Vote Record, he would have defeated each of the other two candidates in head-to-head contests, but he was eliminated in the first round of ballot counting due to receiving the fewest first-place votes.
But the order of the votes depends on the voters' preferences. What's wrong with that?
But the order of the votes depends on the voters’ preferences. What’s wrong with that?
So then, why not just directly allow the majority to vote the minority out of their votes altogether?
Whether your vote even gets counted depends on my preferences. What's wrong with that?
Wouldn't Begich still have been third choice in a conventional election? If Alaska had done a conventional election plus run-off, Begich would have been third in the first round and been eliminated from the run-off. Then unless several percent of the voters changed their mind, Peltola would have beat Palin in the run-off. OTOH, if Alaska had allowed a win by a plurality with no run-off, Peltola would have won in the first round. Same results.
Unless more time for Palin to campaign without Begich campaigning for the same group of voters would have made a difference. I suspect not, because I doubt that Palin could have won over enough more Begich voters to compensate for all the Palin-haters that would have shown up for a run-off election.
So why would anyone claim the result was wrong? In polls asking Alaskans' choice in two-person races (sometimes called Condorcet voting), Begich beat both Peltola and Palin, and Peltola beat Palin. So you could claim that Begich should have won, BUT then why did fewer voters choose him first in the 3-person race? Condorcet voting doesn't measure the strength of voter's preferences; Begich could win in one-to-one "lesser of 2 evils" choices, but was the _first_ choice of the fewest voters when there were more alternatives. Is a candidate that no one loves or hates better than one that some love and some hate?
(Or perhaps I'm reading too much into this. Maybe the polled sample didn't properly represent the registered voters who actually showed up to vote.)
Condorcet voting doesn’t measure the strength of voter’s preferences
And, by definition, rank-choice voids 1 man, 1 vote. It cannot measure "the strength of the voter's preference" otherwise. It specifically works based on 1 man, 1 vote + "MUH FEELZ!". The rest of your "bewilderment" flows from there.
You are absolutely right in a FPTP + (near instant) runoff Begich would lose. Your speculation that Palin wouldn't have pulled more votes in a protracted runoff stands in refutation of relative number of votes transferred. However, 1 man, 1 vote would still be abided. Plurality with no runoff Peltola would win, but that doesn't "smash the TPD" or "ensure more moderate candidates" or "gauge the strength of the voter's beliefs" or whatever B.S. you pretend RCV does either. RCV achieves the plurality result specifically by encoding rank or "strength of voter preference" into the vote in a very obviously flawed (especially obvious when you include/forbid NOTA without changing the method) and relatively inefficient manner.
Is a candidate that no one loves or hates better than one that some love and some hate?
RCV doesn't address this, or if it does, passively influences this in a manner distinctly contrary to the advertising. If the problem is political polarization, encoding strength into the voting method shouldn't produce more moderate outcomes barring sedation of the populace otherwise. And, again, the eradication of the TPD and polarization contradicts other social theory as well as empirical data.
Ultimately, the fact that Libertarians care at all about RCV (especially at the 'other state' level) is an artifact of the AWFL-social justice, "If we could just get the plebs to vote the right way, we'd finally make some political headway in the Pres. elections." wing of the party. There are legitimate barriers to entry in elections. RCV is (AWFL) libertarians complaining that their candidates and policies aren't popular enough. Trading the self-satirical "Trying to take over the world and leave you alone." mandate in favor of "Trying to count your vote for the things you feel strongest about." mandate.
That one's not hypothetical but it's just wrong. It starts with a fundamental misunderstanding of how ranked-choice actually works and changes the definition of "the vote" midstream.
Again, ranked-choice voting is indistinguishable from the same pattern of decisions made during serial run-off elections. The only difference is in time and cost.
Yes, RCV is subject to Condorcet Failure. So is our current system of run-off elections. RCV is not perfect but it's no worse than our current system.
It starts with a fundamental misunderstanding of how ranked-choice actually works and changes the definition of “the vote” midstream.
False. RCV-IRV changes the definition of the vote midstream.
The voter goes in without knowing which candidates are and are not viable and selects 5. By virtue of IRV, 2 of their votes are converted to non-viable and discarded.
And, again, the votes are plainly there to be tabulated and yet, here you are asserting that voters not believe their lying eyes.
At least the FPTP/WTA are honest about their method being more simple.
You're still missing the point. All voters go into the first election without knowing which candidates are or are not viable. We vote anyway.
Let's say I voted for 5 who loses badly. Now I and everyone else knows that 5 was not viable. In a traditional cycle, we go back to the polls and I pick someone else. Everyone else (presumably) sticks with their preferred candidate who is still viable. In the second round, I picked 4 who also loses badly. Now we all know that she wasn't viable either. So in round three, I can pick one of the remaining candidates or say fuck it and stay home. Everyone else, of course, still sticks with their preferred candidate who, again, is viable.
The only thing that RCV (with, yes, instant run-offs) changes is that we all get everything done faster. Maybe new information comes to light in the meantime but that's really a manifestation of a fundamental problem with the traditional setup. Voting takes so long that we have to start months and months before the winner actually takes office so their still campaigning during the elections. With an instant run-off system, the one time we go to the polls can be much closer to the actual decision. Since the campaigning starts at the same time, that means we all have more and better information about all the candidates when we make our decisions.
You’re still missing the point.
No, I'm not. You just want to fuck with people and don't either don't realize it yourself or don't want others to know it.
"RCV is not perfect but it’s no worse than our current system." - Rossami
A.K.A. Not better, just different. A.K.A. Change for the sake of change. A.K.A. Do Something! Not Nothing! Progressivism.
STAR voting, round robin, etc. are better than our current system. Better than IRV. More transparent. More equitable. You specifically ignore them.
You don't want RCV-IRV because you want the voting system or democracy to be better. You want it so that you can tell people to shut up and enjoy their candidates whether they voted for them or not or even if their votes didn't get counted.
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Again, falsified by the simple fact that the set of RCV voters at each step of the counting is identical, whereas the sets of voters at each serial run-off election are not identical.
… and voter participation. That’s a pretty big difference you’re either missing or willfully ignoring.
RCV is simultaneously better than FPTP + runoff and the same as FPTP + runoff but more efficient. It's also more sensitive to the voter's preferences but also less polarizing. It's gotten more kooky, left-wing progressives elected, but it's probably also a boon for other parties that can't get access to the ballot or press coverage too. It also treats incontinence, makes a fine dessert topping, and shines your shoes.
The 4 and 5 position never get counted even though votes were cast.
That doesn't appear to be the case. Their votes were counted, but just in the first round, because they had so few votes. The voters for these candidates had their votes transferred to the remaining three candidates according to their second/third/etc. preferences.
There is no realistic voting method where the #4 and #5 candidates would have won anyway, since they had so few supporters.
RCV is as anti-American, anti-Representative government as it gets.
Well, depriving Americans of their choice(s) is as American as it gets.
40% of people love pineapple, like apples and like mangoes.
35% of people love mangoes, like apples, but hate pineapple
25% of people love apples, like mangoes, but hate pineapple.
AT would prefer that everyone get pineapple rather than mangoes or apples. Yet it's hard to see why pineapples are more representative of the taste desires of everyone than the two alternatives.
No, AT would prefer that people who like mangoes and apples go to a State in which the majority of people are mango and apple fans.
That’s the grand beauty of this federalist system. Something for everyone. It’s not like you don’t have an option. You’re just lazy and decadent. And hateful. Your problem is the pineapple lovers. You HATE them, because they DON’T love mangos or apples. You want to FORCE them to love mangos and apples, rather than A) convince them of the merits of mangos or apples over pineapples, or B) pack your bags and go to mango and apple state with a more likeminded community.
So the majority of the state, who like mangoes and apples. have to leave because a minority prefer pineapples.
You've not really thought this out, have you?
Yea, well, they can't decide which they like more. And most people like pineapples more than mango or apple. Representative democracy means representing the most people. If you're not among them, there are lots of other mango and apple loving states out there.
Why DON'T you go to them? Why do you want to force mango and apple on pineapple lovers?
Why do you support tyranny of the minority?
Representative democracy means representing the most people
You're failing to take account of strength of preferences.
Why do you support tyranny of the minority?
There are different ways of arriving at a majority. I note that you evidently support tyranny of the minority because in my hypothetical, only 40% of the people want pineapples and that's what everyone gets. Meanwhile, 100% of people either love or like mangoes. That's not a minority.
You’re failing to take account of strength of preferences.
No, you're taking them into account for no good reason because you know your "preference" can't win a majority unless you stack the deck.
There are different ways of arriving at a majority.
No, there's really just one. Show of hands.
No, most people (60%) in SRG's example "hate pineapple". Only 40% like pineapples. 40% is not "most people". 40% is in fact the minority whose "tyranny" you are ranting about.
It's not a question of what they hate. It's a question of what they like.
REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT.
You vote for what you want. Not for what you DON'T want.
Say what? When has that ever been the case? Most votes for the entirety of my lifetime have been choices for the lesser evil.
You seriously think that any majority of US voters actually want either Trump or Biden? Both parties acknowledge this and are running strongly on "the other guy is worse" platforms.
This will date me but the first election where I noticed it was when we were given the choice between a washed up actor and a peanut farmer. I didn't WANT either of them. I did (eventually) make a choice about who I DIDN'T want. (As it turns out, I was wrong - but, hey, that's what being young and stupid is all about.) Going further back, you can find negative campaigning and voting for the lesser evil all the way back to the Romans. This is not new. Representative government does not and never has meant 'voting for what you want, not for what you don't want'.
You seriously think that any majority of US voters actually want either Trump or Biden? Both parties acknowledge this and are running strongly on “the other guy is worse” platforms.
And now you understand the problem with our electorate. And with blind partisanship.
Vote your conscience. Not your fear.
AT - Thank you for using reason. Most of the time I lothe reading comments in Reason due to the invectives and irrational emotionalism many here display. Again... Thanks!!
No, that's not a problem with the electorate. It's a structural problem with the party nomination process that we've drifted into.
And by the way, "vote your conscience" still sometimes includes choosing the lesser evil.
You vote for what you want. Not for what you DON’T want.
I've done that, and every time my choice loses because they 'didn't have a chance/weren't viable,' etc. I've 'thrown my vote away' on the Libertarian candidate over and over again. What has that gotten me?
Most people are scared away from doing that by one party or another because it might mean some horrible candidate might win. The left went apeshit on people who voted for the Green Party candidate in 2016 for 'giving Trump the win'. The right did the same thing for those who voted for GayJay instead of Romney in 2012.
But RCV takes that fear away. I can safely vote for GayJay first, and then for whomever I want second, and so on. If GayJay gets 50% of the vote in the first round, I win. If he gets less than 50% but more than the last place person, my vote for GayJay counts in the second round. If GayJay wasn't viable and gets eliminated, my vote then goes to my second choice. I never once 'throw my vote away,' unless you think voting for a non-winning candidate is the same as throwing your vote away.
It might mean that the winner ends up being my last choice still, but that's no different than what's been going on already, except I don't have to waste time going back to the polls for each new round of voting. I also don't have to be bombarded with more campaign ads between rounds. I filled out my ballot once with all my preferences in order, and that's it. If my ballot is completely backwards from everyone else's (referencing your Burlington mayoral election ballot) then that's only an indicator of how removed I am from the rest of whatever community I'm in.
Most people are scared away from doing that by one party or another because it might mean some horrible candidate might win.
Yes. That's the pure poison that is the "binary choice" lie. That's why NO candidate requires merit anymore to win. The only qualification for the job is "don't be the other guy."
But again, that's not solved by RCV. That's solved by an electorate that's stops being a bunch of worthless cowards, and starts voting their will instead of their fear.
It doesn't take your fear away. It makes you even more a slave to it. Which is what those in power want more than anything else in the world.
Your solution seems to be "Keep the voting system the same, just stop being afraid of throwing your vote away if you don't like either of the two major party candidates, and deal with the results." GLWT
RCVs solution is "Pick your favorite no matter what, because unless the person you hate the most gets more than 50% of the vote right away, someone will be eliminated and votes will be re-tallied until someone finally gets more than 50% of the votes. And if the person you hate the most does get 50% of the vote right away, then the result is exactly the same as in the old system anyway."
You vote for what you want. Not for what you DON’T want.
Why not? Why isn’t that a legitimate purpose? Because you say so?
No, there’s really just one [way of arriving at a majority]. Show of hands.
Ever heard of a plurality? You only are guaranteed a majority on show of hands if there are only two candidates.
I think this proves that your opposition to RCV is entirely emotional, and that you cannot find a genuinely rational argument against it. You’re just spewing out anything that comes to mind.
You only are guaranteed a majority on show of hands if there are only two candidates.
There are 10 candidates.
1) 100 votes.
2) 50 votes.
3) 20 votes.
4-10) A random assortment of 30 votes.
#1 wins. He had the most votes. Nobody else could convince their electorate to come to agreement.
I don't know why this is so complicated for you. It's like you're a retarded common core math kid.
Why not? Why isn’t that a legitimate purpose?
Take a civics class before you graduate high school, OK?
Why do you support tyranny of the minority?
Interesting statement when you support the following electoral results:
40% get what they love, 60% get what they hate:
vs:
35% get what they love, 65% get what they like.
It's not about love, like, or hate. That's a childish simpleton idea of representative government.
Majority: 40% of us know exactly what we want.
Minority: 60% of us don't want that!
Majority: What DO you want?
Minority: We don't know and we can't come to any agreement.
Majority: Then shut up.
What is an American politician? He's supposed to be a proxy for a community of like-minded people. RCV distorts that into the complete opposite. Representative government is not about what people DON'T want. Collectively not knowing what you want, or not being able to come to any agreement on it doesn't magically make you the majority.
Majority: 40%
40% is a majority to you? No wonder you're so often and so blatantly wrong.
RCV is as anti-American, anti-Representative government as it gets.
One voice, one vote.
read a history book on how elections were conducted in this country in the past.
Yeah rank choice ends up with Chase Oliver. Not that he poses any threat to the republic because, well, he's just too ridiculous. But we could end up with Michelle Obama. Also ridiculous but... You have been warned.
The only explanations I have seen for why RCV sucks all start off with ridiculous assumptions about how stupid voters are, and somehow pretend that the current system is miles better. All they really prove is how much RCV-haters hate RCV yet have nothing better.
It's like California's switching how its primary elections to ignore parties in selecting the top two for the general election. Oh horrors, the top two could be Democrats and the Republicans have no chance! I got new for you idiots: it doesn't matter how horrible the Democrat is, no Republican is going to win state-wide office in California. It hasn't changed squat.
The proper solution is my libertopia:
* Select the top three winners in a single election.
* Each casts as many votes in the legislator as they won in the election; I call it proxying.
* Every voter can throw a name in the ballot box, and after the three winners have been chosen, one of those names is picked at random and proxies all remaining votes.
I think people also regard it as sucky is because their guys lost using it. Granted, that legendary psephologist and trailer park queen Lauren Boebert doesn't like it.
I think people find it hard to believe that Alaska is a democrat state and the ranked choice system they use may be a bit janky.
Yep, Mary Peltola in Alaska. Never won a majority vote.
When there’s a state UBI, people begin to vote for more cash. Always the way it is.
Additionally, Sirota is a leftist, husband writes for Jacobin.
The average voter has an IQ of 100?
I know that most people graduate college with a business or education degree (or worse), so I would never say that people with an education are superior to those without. Shit, assuming people like that are more likely to vote, average IQ of average voters may be lower than 100.
All that said, I wouldn't write off the critic of the average voter so quickly.
All they really prove is how much RCV-haters hate RCV yet have nothing better.
Round robin and STAR voting systems are both superior and more transparent.
Many, many RCV-haters hate RCV because even nominally it conceals the IRV aspect, which is where the method discards some people's votes and keeps others based specifically on the order in which they voted.
But the "order in which they voted" is based on the voters' preferences.
Ah, that's right, I forgot the "1 man, 1 vote... depending on the order in which the majority voted." principle.
Dumb fucks.
RCV is still one man one vote. No ballot is counted more than once in any round of vote tallying.
Dumbfuck.
“3/5ths of a vote still counts as a vote as far as I’m concerned.” – Get To Da Chippah
One man, one vote doesn’t just mean each vote gets counted only once dumbass.
This isn’t that hard and, again, it’s been pointed out numerous times in reality that RCV doesn’t change a damn thing except the way votes get counted. Two-party systems still exist and are mainstays of RCV systems. Violent and disruptively eccentric leaders and campaigns rise to power from multi-party systems.
But you tards continue to defend it a bunch of Progressive useful idiots like people can’t look at the votes, look at the candidates, look at history and see that RCV is a non-solution to pretty much anything except distracting people from actual solutions.
Round 2:
My vote counts. Someone else’s vote counts. Yours doesn’t. This is true for everyone who put D in No. 2 position and only gets worse as rounds advance. –
What are you talking about, idiot? If my top vote was for Candidate A, and Candidate A wasn’t eliminated in Round 1, then my vote in the tally during Round 2 still goes for Candidate A. In your example the vote ends in a tie because no candidate after Round 2 has fewer votes than any other after Round 1. D was eliminated, D was no voter’s top choice, so every ballot votes in round 2 exactly as it did in Round 1.
In every round, on every ballot, the top remaining candidate on that ballot gets exactly one vote.
(Edit:) Nice stealth edit, but your example proves that you don't actually know how RCV would work.
(Edit:) Nice stealth edit, but your example proves that you don’t actually know how RCV would work.
Proof you say? Do you have this "proof"?
Why yes. Everything you post is proof you don't have a clue how RCV works. Please, post more proof.
RCV reduces the ability of the political parties to limit voters' choices.
With standard voting plus party primaries, most voters get to choose between who R primary voters pick and who D primary voters pick.
With RCV, the party diehards who vote in primaries don't get that sort of outsized influence.
RCV reduces the ability of the political parties to limit voters’ choices.
ding ding ding, this guy gets it
There are so many ways that the entrenched powers can manipulate the process to try to guarantee that "their guys" always win, from ballot access requirements, to restricting the times and places of voting, etc., and RCV removes some of their ability to do that.
RCV reduces the ability of the political parties to limit voters’ choices.
False. Lowering ballot registration criteria reduces the ability of political parties to limit voters' choices. RCV does nothing to increase ballot access. Especially relative to FPTP or similar voting methods given the same registration criteria. If anything, you just get the specifically false perception of more choice.
With RCV, the party diehards who vote in primaries don’t get that sort of outsized influence.
Again, false. It's just as likely that RCV causes mainstream moderates to compromise with zealots in order to avoid the same notion of spoilers. In two of the most notorious failures of RCV in this country, relatively extreme outliers beat both more conventional partisans and the moderate bipartisans trying to thwart them.
Inherently, the idea that multi-party systems generate stability is predicated on the uknowable/unprovable/irrelevant, false, or even superficially paradoxical idea that diversity produces stability.
Elections themselves are crap. No technogimmick can work. It reduces citizenship to little more than a manipulated abdication of responsibility/accountability to others. From the time of Aristotle to Montesquieu/Rousseau – from random selection of juries to every republic – sortition was the way citizenship was made real. Elections were done to create oligarchy – and oligarchy then froze all the meta decisions about elections to ensure elections remain corrupt.
One citizen does not represent others in random selection. They simply take their turn doing governance and then move back to normal life and become the object of governance. That dynamic tends to eliminate a majoritarian impulse in favor of both consensus and restraint. And it creates diversity through the law of large numbers not some nonsense.
Obviously elections won’t go away. But nor are they fixable so stop trying to 'fix' them. The fastest way to both diminish the power and broaden the representation of an elected legislature is to have it create committees, etc that are assembled via random selection rather than chosen by the legislature. A randomly selected assembly can’t even be gerrymandered.
Substitute voting for a party for a political compass type ballot. Then do some parliamentary system.
Smaller congressional districts.
More states.
Bring back the original senate election system.
Less tribalism and fewer career politicians.
Americans by and large wouldn’t stand for party-list elections.”They want to vote for a specific person. They don’t mind so much if party bosses determine who that person is, but they would mind very much if at the time they voted they were delegating a deferred choice to a party boss. If they were OK with party list, then states wouldn’t list “electors for [names of presidential and VP nominees]”, they’d just say you get to vote for a slate of electors headed by this party operative.
I suspect that if Palin, or some other favoured GOP candidate, had won under RCV, the current opponents of RCV here would be supporting it. I support it either way.
The objection is that RCV is a gimmick that makes counting votes less transparent and longer for little discernable benefit. Used with an open primary system, it can also lead to some absurd outcomes with candidate gamesmanship.
RCV is a gimmick that makes counting votes less transparent
As it isn't a gimmick and doesn't make voting less transparent - not being as simple isn't the same as lacking transparency
and longer for little discernable benefit
Oh, because the current system counts votes so quickly. Of course, if you're using a computer system, there's no difference in voting.
I will use the "little discernible benefit" argument when it comes to voter ID and other alleged anti-fraud laws.
No, I really wouldn't.
RCV is anti-Democratic, anti-Republic, and anti-American.
RCV is anti-Democratic, anti-Republic, and anti-American.
(d) None of the above.
Libertarians should prefer my market voting system. Grant every eligible voter one vote for each office running. But, the voter gets to cast those votes in any of the races. In other words, if there are ten races, the voter gets ten votes to spend on any of the ten races. He can spend one on each race or all on one race or anywhere in between.
Make elections a market.
I get it in theory, but it diminishes the importance of the lower-ballot.
Most people just party-line that. Which is really a failure of their civic duty. We should really be looking at each candidate for which office.
And the lower ballots usually don't have as much readily available information we can access (usually just their own website). I look at endorsements for that. By and large, if they're union endorsed, hard pass.
Actually, I suspect it makes the down-ballot elections a lot more competitive. Yes, a lot of people will ignore them and spend their votes on the marquee races. Which opens up the down-ballot races to underrepresented third parties.
That's an interesting point. I'm not sure it'd play out that way, but you've made a valid argument.
The fact that Sirota is a Marxist, has a husband that writes for Jacobin, tells you all you need to know about the socialist fear of anyone right of Marx as competition.
“Colorado Hasn’t Even Approved Ranked Choice Voting Yet, and Already Lawmakers Are Trying To Delay It”
Which is what lawmakers do when they expect something stupid may become law.
Sirota a fucking leftist. True believer.
"Ranked choice" is an ambiguous term that includes instant runoff and and least one other method I know of, so why not call this what it is, instant runoff? Anyway, why have a primary to whittle the field down to 4 before the instant runoff vote? Seems you could about as easily proceed directly to the final vote, instant runoff among however many. Or, if you really insist on a preliminary round to narrow it to 4, why not instead make it 2 and have a non-instant runoff between them?
To repeat myself, RCV is retarded. Maybe quick, maybe new and cool, but still retarded.
Either voting, as what some of us consider the actual meaning of democracy, is very important or it is just an inconvenience. And like anything considered important, taking shortcuts and going cheap will only destroy the integrity and confidence of people trying to use it.
Look, fuckheads, if you want to have multiple rounds of voting, then hold multiple elections.
What is so wrong with having a voting system that is simply more convenient, where voters DON'T have to trudge to the polls multiple times just to elect one candidate?
Look, fuckheads, if you want to have multiple rounds of voting, then hold multiple elections.
RCY/IRV does that, only much faster. What you seem to want is more time for politicians to campaign between rounds.
Are you saying the voters shouldn't be allowed more time to collect more information in order to choose their leaders?
Is there a pending emergency that you need them to select a leader to address or do you just like forcing people into expedient decisions needlessly and against their will?
Are you saying the voters shouldn’t be allowed more time to collect more information in order to choose their leaders?
Why would they need more time? Each election season, the electorate gets bombarded with campaign ads from as many candidates as can afford to create them. There are debates and rallies and events people who are sufficiently interested in can watch or attend. They can look up info on the internet on each candidate if they want. Do you think that people immediately forget everything about every candidate once they check a box on a ballot and need to go back and relearn everything before they can vote again?
Is there a pending emergency that you need them to select a leader to address or do you just like forcing people into expedient decisions needlessly and against their will?
Forcing people to make decisions against their will? When did anyone bring up compulsory voting?
Are you capable of addressing the things I say and not the things you wish I had said? I strongly suspect not.
Why would they need more time?
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Forcing people to make decisions against their will?
Weird. For somebody who supposedly supports democracy, you sure seem to enjoy telling people what to think and how/when to express it. Needlessly and in a manner that rather transparently reveals your disdain for them even.
Suspicion confirmed. Once again you don't respond to what I say.
It's a stalking horse for one of the usual motley crew of "updates" our democracy "requires"; getting rid of the EC.
It's the same "We're not building a database of gun owners, we just need everyone to register their firearms." bullshit whether the idiot spouting "RCV!" realizes it or not.
AT - Thank you for using reason. Most of the time I lothe reading comments in Reason due to the invectives and irrational emotionalism many here display. Again... Thanks!!
Once again, Australia has, for over 100 yrs., had RCV for it's lower house of parlaiment. Yes, that same Australia that was throwing people in COVID camps and keeping immigrants on an offshore island so decrepit even Donald Trump said, "We've got to do something about this."
For about the last 100 yrs. no one outside the Labor Party or the Liberal-National Party has won. An unequivocal two-party duopoly rivaling, if not surpassing, our own, generated by RCV.
There are Reasons for dropping FPTP and WTA voting. Adoption of RCV is not one of them. For over 200 yrs. it has been dismissed out of hand for its ability to eliminate a majority-preferred candidate, a flaw arguably designed into our current system by the electoral college that RCV in no way fixes.
Once again, Australia has, for over 100 yrs., had RCV for it’s lower house of parlaiment. Yes, that same Australia that was throwing people in COVID camps and keeping immigrants on an offshore island so decrepit even Donald Trump said, “We’ve got to do something about this.”
Sequitur: Nonned.
Sequitur: Nonned.
I'm glad that you agree that in virtually every way that politics matters or truly affects people, RCV-IRV is a complete and utter non-sequitur.
Now the question becomes why do you champion it? Is it because you enjoy irrelevant useful idiocy, fucking people over, or both.
I’m glad that you agree that in virtually every way that politics matters or truly affects people, RCV-IRV is a complete and utter non-sequitur.
You are just embarrassing yourself at this point. A smarter person would have quit days ago. I'm glad you're not that smart because this has become immensely entertaining. Please continue.
IRV throws LEGITIMATE VOTES AWAY. This is all you need to know. I think one or two people mention the "exhaustion" issue. This is the result of IRV's discard mechanism that emulates a sequential runoff. A sequential runoff is NOT a good voting system either because it's just an iterative version of plurality. There is no guarantee that it will find the TRUE MAJORITY WINNER EITHER. In voting science, the true majority winner is also known as the Condorcet Winner.
The IRV lie about how their system works. Because IRV throws legitimate votes away it actually is illegal. This isn't complex. Exhaustion is a manifestation of how you can end up with fewer total votes than were cast.
Condorcet's system uses a RANKED BALLOT IDENTICAL TO IRV'S. Focus on that. The difference is the underlying algorithm for tallying the vote. Condorcet counts ALL the votes and pairs every candidate head-to-head. It is NOT a plurality voting system. It will always find the actual majority winner except in very rare circumstances when there is a tie vote or a multi-candidate cycle. How often do tie races happen in the real world between two candidates unless there are a very small number of voters? The same is true with respect to cycles and in this case there is a simple tie-break that can resolve the issue. I discuss all of this in my Youtube talk, "Count every vote": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btDyhNiTfeM
I quit the LP back in 2002 BECAUSE it would not embrace voting reform as a major issue. ALL plurality systems for finding single-seat winners generate two party systems because of the Nash Equilibrium strategy. That's why the LP never has a chance. Condorcet is the only system that avoids this.
BTW, if it was not obvious above, IRV should be outlawed BECAUSE of throwing legitimate votes away. The best way to do it is to go after the state non-profit affiliates of FairVote for engaging in fraud. They lie about how IRV works.
Incidentally, in Alaska, an independent analysis of the ranked ballots showed that Begich was the true majority winner (the candidate who would have beaten his opponents head-to-head). Our system relies on voters selecting the majority winner. IRV doesn't do and proponents lie (or state falsehoods out of willful ignorance). The LP as a political party is a total waste of effort as long as it embraces the IRV plurality system.
IRV throws LEGITIMATE VOTES AWAY.
False. The only time a ballot's vote is altered from one round to the next is when the highest preferred candidate on that ballot receives the fewest total votes in any round. If there are no choices remaining on that ballot, it's because this happened through every round of voting, and the ballot no longer has any remaining candidates listed.
False. The only time a ballot’s vote is altered from one round to the next is when the highest preferred candidate on that ballot receives the fewest total votes in any round.
So, false in the sense that it's true.
Once again the question isn't how does the system function, but why would you lie?
So, false in the sense that it’s true.
Not at all, ignoramus. Because that remark was in direct response to a claim that RCV throws legitimate votes away, which you selectively edited out.
Maybe read up on RCV before taking a position before or against. Your ignorance was revealed clearly upthread.
which you selectively edited out.
It’s still there in the record for everyone to see. I'm not concealing anything.
Paul Hager: IRV throws LEGITIMATE VOTES AWAY.
Get To Da Chippah: False. The only time it throws votes away is when it alters votes from one round to the next.
me: It alters votes between rounds you say?
With all your cries of “selective editing” and “stealth editing”, you seem to think you are, but you really aren’t doing yourself any favors here.
Dullard, you couldn't even quote my response directly because you know it makes you sound like an idiot. Well, even more like an idiot than you've already been.
So, if nothing else, we’re in agreement that it does, in fact, alter votes between rounds.
Of course it does. The false assertion was that it throws legitimate votes away. It does not. If no choice has a majority of votes, it removes the option with the lowest vote total. Those votes, now not going to a legitimate choice, are reassigned to the next highest option on each individual voter's ballot.
Now that you admit it throws votes away, all you need to understand is that those votes are ESSENTIAL in finding how who the true majority winner is. You can look up the independent tally of the Alaska vote to see that if all the ranking information is use and NO VOTES THROWN AWAY, Begich would have beaten Petulta AND Palin. If Palin had not been in the race, Begich would have beaten Petulta with a majority of the vote. The only way of using a ranked ballot to find this out is using Condorcet's Algorithm. IRV/Runoff doesn't eliminate the split vote problem. This is actually simple math. I don't understand why otherwise intelligent people can't see this.
You just described how DISCARD works. The "highest preferred" candidate looking ONLY at 1st place votes is eliminated from all ballots and none of those votes is counted. It is a typical plurality split vote. I show how this works in the video. In Alaska, if there had only been two candidates, Begich and the Democrat, Begich would have won. Put in Palin and she creates a split-vote problem causing Begich to lose. Runoff does not solve split vote.
Note that if states did multi-round sequential runoffs you'd still have split vote effects that would cause the true majority winner to lose but that sort of election would be legal. In order to emulate a sequential runoff in a single round, IRV absolutely throws votes away and is therefore illegal.
Paul: I'll fix that for you. "
IRVFirst past the post throws LEGITIMATE VOTES AWAY." So does every other election system, as long as we're giving _all_ the power of a political office to just _one_ candidate, who won with less than 100% of the vote.For instance, in the 2016 Presidential election in Michigan, Trump won all the electoral college votes with only 47.5% of the vote. The 47.27% who voted for Hillary and the 5.23% who voted for Johnson, Stein, and the other third party candidates might as well have stayed home.
You are conflating electoral votes and popular votes. However, if we are going to keep the electoral system, electors should use Condorcet's voting system. BTW, if we eliminated the EC and went to a popular vote, because of IRV's DISCARD algorithm, the entire country's vote would need to be collected and counted at once. I describe this and demonstrate it in my video. I also show the non-monotonicity issue with IRV - I call it the rank-reversal paradox. If you actually look at the video I show how it really works.
Only regime cucks and the mindless bleating sheep support the extremely undemocratic ruse that is RCV.
If you cannot explain RCV so that a 12 year old can understand it, then it should not be used for our elections. We already have elections - California, anyone? where it takes days and sometimes weeks for them to count ballots in a simple system - one ballot one vote. In New York, the counters could not figure out how to count correctly.
We will have counting going on with RCV until after the newly elected is supposed to be sworn in.
If you cannot explain RCV so that a 12 year old can understand it, then it should not be used for our elections.
Kids, we can go see a movie, go to a water park, go play mini golf, or hit the video arcade. Each of you list your choices by most to least favorite, and whichever choice gets at least half of the votes wins, counting just the pick at the top of your list as your vote.
If no choice gets half or more of the votes, then the choice with the least votes is eliminated, and the people who voted for that get to pick their next favorite choice and we tally votes again. We repeat that until some place gets at least half of the votes.
In the end, at least half of us will go do something we at least sort of wanted to do.
I have 3 kids.
Oldest - Movie, Water Park, Golf, Arcade
Middle - Water Park, Golf, Arcade, Movie
Youngest - Golf, Arcade, Movie, Water Park
Who wins?
Or, maybe, I've only got the two oldest kids and I get:
Oldest - Movie, Arcade
Middle - Golf, Water Park
Go!
Or, maybe, I've only got the oldest and the youngest and I get:
Oldest - Movie
Youngest- Golf, Arcade, Water Park
Go!
Pointing to my other post regarding actual reality rather than your stupid helicopter parenting that even young teens would “Nope” the fuck out of:
“Hey kids, the movie is kind of a lump sum, all-or-none, investment. While the arcade is piecemeal, and we’re not sure of the cost of minigolf at the moment. So, it’s possible we could do 30 min. of arcade and a round of mini-golf for the same time and cost of a movie or the waterpark. However, because your dirt-stupid Karen of a mother, Get To Da Chippah, is an overbearing bitch with an inferiority complex, she needs you to rank your ordered preferences so she can pretend like she knows how to do the math to figure out what exactly you want. So choose… NOW!”
You nitwits are doing a great job of convincing me that RCV isn’t just useful and completely unable to be fucked and manipulated up at the Federal level but it’s totally useful in everyday life as well!
Meanwhile, at mad.casual’s house: “Okay kids, you know the choices for what we might be doing tonight, so one person one vote. Oh, it’s a tie? No choice won? Okay, we’ll try to choose again in a couple of months because you've probably forgotten what the choices were by now.”
In all of your examples the results are a tie. But that would be true in a non-RCV system too. The challenge was to explain RCV in a way 12-year-olds could understand, dimwit.
The challenge was to explain RCV in a way 12-year-olds could understand, dimwit.
And you failed. Even Rock-Paper-Scissors accounts for “in the event of a tie”. So, what’s your solution? Another runoff? Popular vote? Decree from on high? Ro Jam Bo? The 12 yr. olds are waiting (go ahead, tell me they shouldn’t be so impulsive or rushed in their decision making).
But that would be true in a non-RCV system too.
In some non-RCV systems, but nowhere near all non-RCV systems and nowhere near similar proportions. But, again, per your own statement, the issue wasn’t to explain RCV relative to non-RCV systems, it was to explain RCV to a 12 yr. old. A “feat” which you have yet to complete but which most 12 yr. olds would’ve resolved among themselves without you by now.
And you failed. Even Rock-Paper-Scissors accounts for “in the event of a tie”. So, what’s your solution? Another runoff? Popular vote? Decree from on high? Ro Jam Bo? The 12 yr. olds are waiting (go ahead, tell me they shouldn’t be so impulsive or rushed in their decision making).
"My examples with only 2, 3, or 4 voters can easily result in a tie, so that means elections with thousands or millions of voters are equally likely to also end in ties, yup yup."
In some non-RCV systems, but nowhere near all non-RCV systems and nowhere near similar proportions.
Well this is just a blatant lie.
But, again, per your own statement, the issue wasn’t to explain RCV relative to non-RCV systems, it was to explain RCV to a 12 yr. old. A “feat” which you have yet to complete but which most 12 yr. olds would’ve resolved among themselves without you by now.
You seem to be very in tune with how the minds of 12-year-olds work. How soon until you turn 13?
Nope. Correct is to rank your preferences BUT then you count every vote, not just 1st place, and match every candidate head-to-head. The winner of all the head-to-head races is the TRUE MAJORITY WINNER, also known as the Condorcet Winner. The is the best possible voting system for single-seat races. Hell, once a kid understands inequalities - sometime in elementary school - they can perform a tally using only a pencil and paper. It might be a little tedious but Condorcet could be tallied with a total power failure on paper.
It's easy to explain it to a 12 year old. It's the closed-minded adults who refuse to understand.
You haven't met many 12 yr. olds have you?
You know some of them are convinced they're the opposite sex these days, right?
You are correct about the count. That's because all votes must be collected and, in effect, counted at a central location. Getting rid of the EC and going with IRV could easily throw the average election into the House and Senate on a regular basis. Condorcet results could be counted down to the precinct level and separated added together, thus exploiting parallelism. Once again, I show how this works. I also show how a tabulation mistake in a recount that breaks a tie between candidates A and B in favor B causes C, who was eliminated TO WIN.