The Prosecution's Story About Trump Featured Several Logically Impossible Claims
Whatever Trump did after the 2016 presidential election, it seems safe to say that it did not retroactively promote his victory.

Last January, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg summed up his case against Donald Trump this way: "We allege falsification of business records to the end of keeping information away from the electorate. It's an election interference case."
That gloss made no sense, because the records at the center of the case—11 invoices, 11 checks, and 12 ledger entries that allegedly were aimed at disguising a hush-money reimbursement as payment for legal services—were produced after the 2016 presidential election. At that point, Michael Cohen, Trump's lawyer, had already paid porn star Stormy Daniels $130,000 to keep her from talking about her alleged 2006 sexual encounter with Trump, and Trump had already been elected. The prosecution's case against Trump, which a jury found persuasive enough to convict him on all 34 counts yesterday, was peppered with temporal puzzles like this one.
A New York Times editorial concedes that "many experts" have "expressed skepticism about the significance of this case and its legal underpinnings, which employed an unusual legal theory to seek a felony charge for what is more commonly a misdemeanor." Yet the Times also claims the jury found Trump "guilty of falsifying business records to prevent voters from learning about a sexual encounter that he believed would have been politically damaging." How did records created in 2017 "prevent voters from learning" about the Daniels tryst before they cast their ballots the previous year?
The editorial's characterization of Cohen's payment to Daniels is confounding for a similar reason. "A payoff like this is not illegal by itself," the Times concedes. "What makes it illegal is doctoring business records to mask its true purpose, which prosecutors said was to hide the story from the American people to help Mr. Trump get elected." Again, the "doctoring" of business records happened in 2017. Contrary to what the Times claims, it did not retroactively make the Daniels payment "illegal."
The Times also says the verdict "establishes that Mr. Trump committed crimes in hiding pertinent information about himself from the American people for the purpose of influencing the 2016 presidential election." The verdict does not establish that. Trump was not charged with breaking the law by instructing Cohen to pay off Daniels. And while the contentious characterization of that payment as an illegal campaign contribution figured in one theory for treating the falsification charges as felonies rather than misdemeanors, the other two theories did not hinge on the assumption that the payoff was illegal.
Since the jurors were instructed that they did not need to settle on any particular theory, it is not clear that they unanimously accepted the idea that Trump "committed crimes in hiding pertinent information about himself from the American people for the purpose of influencing the 2016 presidential election." That description, however, is consistent with the prosecution's dubious "election fraud" narrative, which falsely implied that "hiding pertinent information about himself" was inherently criminal.
Although it seems clear that the jury accepted that narrative, even the prosecutors sometimes forgot what they claimed the case was about. They argued that Trump violated an obscure, rarely invoked state law by conspiring with Cohen to influence the presidential election "by unlawful means." They further argued that Trump caused the falsification of business records with the intent of aiding or concealing that crime, which is the element that transformed the charges into felonies. But some versions of that theory were logically impossible.
According to one theory of "unlawful means," Trump facilitated a violation of New York tax law by allowing Cohen to falsely report his reimbursement as income. But since Cohen filed those allegedly fraudulent tax returns in 2018, after Trump had been president for more than a year, his misrepresentation could not possibly have helped Trump win the election.
Under another theory, Trump falsified business records to conceal the falsification of other business records, including the 1099-MISC forms in which the Trump Organization inaccurately described Cohen's reimbursement as income. Since the 1099 forms were issued after the election, it is hard to see how they could have been aimed at ensuring Trump's victory.
These logical difficulties were just one of several reasons to question the prosecution's case, which relied on convoluted theories involving interacting statutes and questionable assumptions about Trump's knowledge and intent. But instead of zeroing in on those weaknesses, Trump's lawyers, presumably at his behest, were determined to deny everything, starting with Daniels' story about sex with Trump at a Lake Tahoe hotel during a celebrity golf tournament in July 2006.
That strategy invited embarrassingly detailed testimony by Daniels, who described a presumptuous Trump abruptly disrobing while she was in the bathroom before engaging in a "brief," condomless sexual encounter "in the missionary position." Contrary to her previous accounts, Daniels implied that the sex was less than fully consensual, citing "an imbalance of power," noting the presence of a bodyguard at the door to Trump's hotel suite, saying Trump's failure to use a condom worried her, and describing her own mental state as hazy, although she added that she was not drunk and had not been drugged.
None of this was legally relevant. When it came to the questions of whether Trump had caused the falsification of business records and his intent in doing so, it did not matter exactly what happened in that hotel suite. Even if Daniels had made the whole thing up, Trump still would have been keen to keep her quiet, whether for personal reasons, business reasons, political reasons, or some combination of the three.
The defense team also insisted that Trump really thought he was paying Cohen for legal work, even though Trump had publicly admitted that he reimbursed Cohen for the Daniels payment. And Trump's lawyers disputed that he "knew about this payment" at the time, even though it defies belief to suppose that Cohen, who was eager to please Trump and conferred with him frequently, would have hatched this scheme on his own, or that he would have fronted $130,000 of his own money without the promise of reimbursement.
Whether Trump approved the misleading records related to Cohen's reimbursement, as Cohen claimed, is less clear. Trump's lawyers hammered at Cohen's credibility on that point, saying jurors should not trust a convicted felon, disbarred lawyer, and admitted liar with a powerful grudge against his former boss. But because they were also implausibly claiming that Cohen lied when he said Trump approved the Daniels payoff, the jurors may have discounted any doubts about the veracity of Cohen's account.
If Trump had been willing to concede some of the prosecution's allegations, his lawyers could have focused on the shaky legal argument for charging him with felonies. They not only failed to do that in a cogent way; they insisted on jury instructions that ruled out convicting Trump of misdemeanors rather than felonies.
"Instead of telling a simple story, Mr. Trump's defense was a haphazard cacophony of denials and personal attacks," defense attorney and former federal prosecutor Renato Mariotti observes. "That may work for a Trump rally or a segment on Fox News, but it doesn't work in a courtroom. Perhaps Mr. Trump's team was also pursuing a political or press strategy, but it certainly wasn't a good legal strategy. The powerful defense available to Mr. Trump's attorneys was lost amid all the clutter."
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The whole case was bullshit. In fact, it was pretty much ‘make it up as you go along’ nonsense from start to finish. From the statute of limitations all the way through the jury instructions.
This case is a historic travesty of justice.
"Whatever Trump did after the 2016 presidential election, it seems safe to say that it did not retroactively promote his victory."
Excuse me, butt... Politicians are ALWAYS campaigning to further and expand their power! Corruption for perverting the next erection is corruption for perverting the next erection, regardless of whether the next erection is tomorrow or 4 years from now!
Under the Trump-dump sail
Over the reefs of monkeyshines
Under the skies of stolen erections
North, north west, the sperms of Spermy Daniels
Under the Arctic lies
Over the seas of slutience
Hauling on frozen dopes
For all my days spermaining
But would Spermy Daniels be true?
All colors bleed to twat-red
Asleep on the ocean's bed
Drifting on empty sperms
For all my days remaining
But would sluts be true?
Why, sluts, why should I?
Why should I cry for you?
Dark angels follow my germs
Over a godless sea of sperms
Mountains of endless falling,
For all my days remaining,
Twat would be true?
Sometimes I sperm your face,
The stars seem to lose their place
Why must I think of you, Spermy Daniels?
Why must I?
Why should I?
Why should I cry for you?
Why would you want me to?
And what would it mean to say,
That, 'I spermed you in my fashion'?
Twat would be true?
Why should I?
Why should I cry for you?
Fuck off, Nazi.
You swear you're a libertarian, and then you cheer political prosecution and the death of the republic.
Well he does have Reason writers advising him as to what's libertarian so I can see why there is confusion.
Democrats and joe biden can never again claim moral superiority over russia and putin.......
and countless other liberal presidents like just like putin (xi).
Arresting your political opposition always makes you a fascist liberal progressive communist dictator.
I don't ever want to hear another word from biden and democrats denegrating putin.
That piece of shit authoritarian we call putin is now equal to joe biden and every democrat.
And over half of the republicans.
Fuck off, SPRMSY One.
The Meeting of the Right Rightist Minds will now come to Odor!
Years ago by now, Our Dear Leader announced to us, that He may commit murder in broad daylight, and we shall still support Him! So He Has Commanded, and So Must Shit be Done!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/24/donald-trump-says-he-could-shoot-somebody-and-still-not-lose-voters
And now, oh ye Faithful of the Republican Church, Shit Has Become Known Unto us, that Shit is also in His Power and Privilege Ass Well, to murder the USA Constitution in broad daylight. Thus He Has Spoken, and Thus Must Shit Be Done! Thou shalt Render Unto Trump, and simply REND the USA Constitution, and wipe thine wise asses with shit! Do NOT render unto some moldering old scrap of bathroom tissue! Lest we be called fools, or worse!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html
Proud Boys, STAND with TRUMP, and stand by! And if ye don’t agree 110%, then we don’t need you polluting our world, because all who disagree with us in ANY way are LEFTISTS!!!
There, I think that’s a wrap! I’ve covered shit ALL! You can take the rest of the day off now.
(You’re welcome!)
You do realize that if they can do that to Trump, then no one is safe from this type of Soviet style persecution.
If you believe you are safe, you are sadly mistaken.
He doesn't realize, and not just because he's an idiot, and not just because he doesn't care; but because he's fundamentally ignorant about the nature of the party that he shills for, and fundamentally ignorant about history.
He doesn't know that old Bolshevik revolutionaries cried "If only Stalin knew" while sitting in the gulag; because he doesn't know what the gulags are, or Bolsheviks, and he barely knows who Stalin is.
He still doesn't know a meme maker was sentenced despite screaming 1A.
https://reason.com/2016/01/21/the-man-who-caused-benghazi-except-not/
Are we sure he's not a bot?
If so, he was written on an Altair 8800 with buggy code.
Kill screen every post.
I hope the Deminists are looking over their shoulder in case Ken Paxton or Todd Spitzer come after them.
Democrats should be destroyed where we find them. Any democrat who refuses to repent, and renounce their party and all its evil works is now fair game.
I’m fact, when Koch is finally done hollowing out this rag, I should buy it. Just to gain access to the commentariat membership data. Then I can dox Jeffy, Pluggo, Sarc, Mod, etc..
The gloves are off. Let the democrats burn.
This is the embodiment of impotent rage.
It is until it isn't
^This
Things are going to develop slowly and then suddenly.
Grandpa got lost from somewhere on his commute between the drudge report and Yahoo! answers and ended up in the unmoderated comments section of a "trendy" libertarian site aimed at ages 20-35.
I feel more pity than fear.
> Then I can dox Jeffy, Pluggo, Sarc, Mod, etc..
If I ever reach a place in my life where I have a Richard Nixon style list of enemies from any comment section I would kill myself out of shame.
Dangerangel Never heard of sarc
No faggot, I’m not particularly old. And you clearly didn’t learn a lesson from how young Kyle Rittenhouse’s Eloise handled an entire democrat rioting mob. Many who were armed, some with guns too.
In short, the day things go hot, it’s over for your kind. As you are largely worthless, weak soyboy beta male pussies.
You're using a traceable email address and IP? Wow.
Sure, if they are allowed to put murderers in jail, next thing ya know, they'll put you in jail for looking at them in a strange way! Shit is KNOWN, damn-shit!!!
(So twat laws of physics say that we can't punish corrupt law-breaking politicians, without jailing the law-abiding, anyway?)
You do realize that if they can do that to Trump, then no one is safe from this type of Soviet style persecution
I’m sure glad the fucking Democrats only set out to destroy their preeminent political enemies.
Why, there’s just too much data to sift through to seek and destroy their electoral opponents on the Joe Lunchpail level like me.
By the way, when’s the next Reason article coming out that’ll explain how wonderful AI will be?
Maybe Der TrumpfenFarter-Fuhrer could cuntsider SNOT sleeping with horny Sperm Stars like Spermy Daniels, and then paying her off with bribe money, and LYING about where the money came from, and twat shit was used for! The rest of us get busted for hiring a $20 whore, but The Emperor and His Toadies expect HIM to get away with TWAT-ever He wants to do!!!!
Even Bragg and Marchen and the jury know that wasn’t true.
Twat, Spermy Daniels is SNOT really-actually quite ass spermy ass You are, Oh Perfectly Spermy One? Is that the nit at which You Perfectly Pick?
You're a fascist celebrating the destruction of the republic.
Dude. I get it, you don't like the guy. I doubt anyone "likes" him. He's an asshole. He's a New Yorker. He likes his steak well done and with ketchup. He's a barbarian.
But guilty of the charges? Come on. It's a Banana Republic conviction of a political enemy.
There was nothing to be guilt of. The charges had no basis in law whatsoever.
Babylon Bee has the best story, Donald Trump was found guilty of being Donald Trump. They also had a story about how 12 Manhatten Jurors decided that Trump will be President.
But somehow, the jury, the court and the court of appeals all disagreed with Trump's version of the "troof". Amazing.
In New York City. Amazing.
You’re also too stupid to understand the law. Explains why you’re a democrat.
I think you mean, "Democrat". But no, I'm not a Democrat. I've voted for a Democrat just once in my life (and you can guess why).
By the way, are you a lawyer? We'd love to see you and your big brain over on VC, if that happens to be the case. You sound like you could be very convincing in a legal setting. Do people often mention your powers of persuasion, complimentarily?
You believe the Trump case was legitimate. On that basis alone you’re a partisan moron with no real understanding of the law.
And we all know you’re a democrat shill. We’ve all read your moronic leftist comments.
And all with a penis like a "toadstool"!!
Voters in the US can barely be counted on to factor something that happened in July of the election year into their thinking when they vote in November; this is why every campaign now saves their "heavy artillery" for release as an "October surprise".
"covering up" a hush-money payment in 2016 related to a tabloid article about a one-night stand in 2006 as a means of affecting the outcome of the 2020 election would be the least useful way to expend energy that I could possibly imagine. Especially considering the story that was supposedly "suppressed" was the top headline on CNN for at least a month of 2019, and mentions of trump's "affair" with Daniels were repeated on that network (and probably on most other TV network news casts) at least weekly throughout the years of 2019 and 2020 just as an excuse to use the name "Donald Trump" and the phrase "porn star" in the same sentence, including the fact that trump had paid Daniels $130k (actually he paid Daniels $100k, and Avenatti $30k).
Daniels herself was barely a prop for the "party of women" in the quest to somehow pin a scarlet "A" onto a man who'd publicly cheated on multiple wives and bragged about having sex with multiple Playboy models and other "adult entertainment" figures twice a month on the Howard Stern show in the 1990s. She'd have received more careful treatment if she'd been a used condom on the set of one of her films. The left hasn't been so aggressive about slut-shaming a woman with ties to a politician since Paula Jones and Juanita Broaddrick.
It's now bananas all the way down.
Especially among the Trumpanzees gone apeshit!
Before this trial Trump was famous. The libs have now made him Notorious. This will, most likely, not work to their favor.
But this is only Act I in the Banana Republic drama.
Judging from the responses from pundits and poltical figures, this is going to backfire bigly against the Dems.
Joe Manchin has just resigned from the democrat party.
It already isn’t. There’s already been record fundraising and a number of democrats are publicly turning against Biden, and even the democrat party.
People are pissed. That it was Trump railroaded is incidental.
Prison!!
Limitations? You think that will be an issue on appeal? Are you a lawyer?
Now, as for the article: what's being overlooked is that Daniels was paid off by Cohen BEFORE THE ELECTION, ON THE EXISTING PROMISE THAT TRUMP WOULD REIMBURSE HIM. The statute makes the false records felonious if created to conceal the prior crime, i.e. the illegal campaign contribution. So it makes no difference that the false records were created AFTER the election.
With enough mental gymnastics, TDS-addled shitpiles can work time-traveling miracles!
Yeah. An NDA is not illegal in any jurisdiction. Asshole.
Election interference!
TDS-addled fantasies!
Democrat senators and congressmen paid $17 million in NDAs, but that's (D)ifferent.
Unpossible!
"If you wish hard enough, anything is possible!"
- The Good Trans-fairy
So what you're saying is, in theory, if on live television Joe Biden instructed a hitman to shoot Trump dead but declined to pay him until after the election it wouldn't be election interference?
We know you're a TDS-addled shit, but this degree of blither is somewhat surprising..
Oh... That's how the jury found a guilty plea.
They *pretended* Daniels was running for president and is dead. /s
Whatever it takes to keep Trump from, "hollowing out [our] ?public?([Na]tional- So[zi]alist) institutions."
So what you’re saying is, in theory, if on live television Joe Biden instructed a hitman to shoot Trump dead but declined to pay him until after the election it wouldn’t be election interference?
So, why wasn't Trump on trial for the NDA/payment itself? Maybe because it wasn't illegal? And maybe that means your analogy is shit?
Full retard achieved.
Hiring a hit man is illegal.
Establishing an NDA is not.
We need a new category beyond full retard.
Ultra-Mega-Retard?
"n00bdragon"? Seems pretty good to me.
Democrat retard.
That's redundant.
“jeff” works fine. Have an annual commentariat poll where the biggest retard gets a trophy with a bear climbing out of a car trunk.
He’s a big retard, but sarckles has been going off the deep end of the retarded pool recently. So bad, I think he hit his head on the concrete bottom.
Someone needs to make this trophy happen. It would be exquisite.
Anyone know any trophy designers?
The winner will get a ‘Golden Jeffy’ and it’ll look like the Oscar statue had a baby with a basketball and it will be held aloft by six bears emerging from trunks.
Jesse, the law is now whatever an elite democrats says it is, whenever they say.
We have been slowly turning into a parody of Alice in Wonderland for a while.
Of course hiring a hitman is a crime. That's specifically why I chose it. It's not the hiring of a hitman's criminality that I'm questioning here. The question is, if you hire a hitman (i.e. commit a crime) in furtherance of winning an election, but don't pay for it until after the election, is it still election interference?
Cohen paid Daniels off before the election. The idea that he did this of his own volition without expecting any kind of reimbursement from his boss is absurd, especially considering that he was reimbursed for that amount at a later date. 12 out of 12 jurors say "yes, that's election interference".
You’re beyond stupid. It will be good when your kind are gone.
I think you're misreading the logic Sullum is laying down. The case centered on the falsification of documents in service of hiding conduct from voters. The voting was already over when the documents were supposedly falsified.
Fuck off you disingenuous cunt. Comparing an NDA payment with murder, really?
Full "nOObdragon"
That obviously wasn't a "comparison". Look up "analogy".
Q: What's the difference between Trump in America and Navalny in Russia?
A: Americans have heard of Trump.
I'm here all week, try the fish.
40,000 dead Ukrainians can’t be wrong.
But if they were in Chicago, they could still vote.
"Heeeeeeeeeey Sandy do you still think Biden will ride his 40% approval to victory unless he puts boots on the ground in Ukraine? Which he isn't dumb enough to do so he's basically a lock to win? Well, have you seen this poll from 10 months out that shows a close race? I bet you're getting nervous aren't ya????"
So. Have the past 24 hours made you regret those months of lame attempts at trolling me?
Have the past 24 hours made you regret those months of lame attempts at trolling me?
Why? Did Ronnie D. suddenly become a better candidate that they couldn’t possibly convict or control?
You realize this begs the question about whether you are boastful about your “prediction” of a conviction or of a hot war, sorry, a nothing-less-than-explicitly-large-numbers-of-American-boots-on-the-ground-in-the-Donbas-engaged-in-combat with Russia, right? Or, maybe more pointedly, do you feel like SPBP2 boasting about Supreme Court packing yet or no?
That's what I figured. You can't admit the past 24 hours made my main point - "nominating Trump virtually guarantees Democratic victory" - look stronger than ever.
You said Biden couldn’t lose unless he put American boots on the ground in Ukraine.
How, without American boots on the ground, do things look stronger than “can’t lose”?
And even that's generously granting your "can't lose" assertion.
And even that’s generously granting your “can’t lose” assertion.
To wit, again, polling this far out is by no means certainty and is never perfect but the notion that Biden is a shoe in is plainly not supported. Especially given that his current unpopularity seems to be rooted in brilliantly positioning himself between his pro-Palestinian constituency and the Jewish constituency, it would seem that he could entirely fuck things up without putting any American boots, just bombs, pretty much anywhere.
"Especially given that his current unpopularity seems to be rooted in brilliantly positioning himself between his pro-Palestinian constituency and the Jewish constituency"
But this relates to another of my recurring themes. Most Democratic voters are motivated by a small handful of issues directly related to their self-interest; the rest is empty posturing. IOW the people who pretend they're mad at Biden for "enabling genocide in Gaza" are still going to vote for him. Because what really drives them is loan forgiveness.
Another observation: The worst case scenario for a modern Democratic Presidential candidate is a narrow loss. You need to go all the way back to 1988 for the last time the Democrat didn't even come close to winning. And that was a fundamentally different map. (Red California?! Totally impossible these days.)
So you have Biden starting with a floor of about 200 Electoral Votes purely because he's a Democrat. Then you give him an opponent so obviously flawed (legal issues, nearly Biden's age, tendency to engage in toxic-to-swing-voters #StopTheSteal whining)? In a truly competitive system I'd agree Biden appears on track to be a 1-termer. But in this current system, against such a weak opponent, I think he'll be reelected (barring major health decline).
So youre saying liberal voters will vote D no matter reality... but also saying if Trump wasn't the candidate they would vote for someone else... seems contradictory.
"So youre saying liberal voters will vote D no matter reality"
Pretty much. Look how aggressively Buttplug defends Dementia Joe. Then realize there are tens of millions of voters just as eager to swallow whatever shit sandwich the Democrats feed them.
"but also saying if Trump wasn’t the candidate they would vote for someone else"
Nope! Your mistake is ignoring the existence of Independent swing voters. The group I specifically mentioned in that very comment. The group I pointed out does not want to hear whining about how 2020 was stolen, as they made clear in 2022.
"...Nope! Your mistake is ignoring the existence of Independent swing voters..."
Keep grasping at those straws, hoping you might convince someone that you really aren't a steaming, slimy pile of pathetic TDS-addled shit.
Sit on a barb-wire wrapped broomstick and spin; you will soon relieve the world of one assholic reason to defend abortion, cunt.
Full “nOObdragon”.
Well, Biden is allowing Ukraine to shoot missiles at Russia, does that count?
Ask Sandra. I pointed out that Biden's poll numbers slipped steadily as he pumped money into Ukraine, I was corrected that issue was rather specifically American boots on the ground.
Trumps conviction wasn't explicit in the "no boots on the ground = can't lose" contingency but, suddenly, for some reason, it's relevant.
Kinda like how SPBP2 will ignore their own past failed predictions and then jump on the TDS cause du jour and Sandy will call them out on it.
Part of Biden’s Ukraine problem is that it’s become a bottomless financial pit for Americans, who are currently suffering financially, because of Biden. Who also won’t secure our own border. The academic twats who actually run his administration are also extremely inept, visibly so. Especially his spokespropagandist KJP, who sounds like…… a spokespropagandist. She is the epitome of incompetent and ill prepared. Largely unable to handle even softball questions. Just like Biden’s VP.
Trump’s administration was visibly more competent than the current clown car of mendacious Marxist morons. The contrast doesn’t help Biden either.
"Trumps conviction wasn’t explicit in the 'no boots on the ground = can’t lose' contingency but, suddenly, for some reason, it’s relevant."
The conviction is relevant because it reinforces the point that Republicans played into their opponents' hands by nominating Trump.
Some people here claimed "Democrats would have done exactly the same thing to DeSantis or Cruz or any other GOP nominee to the right of Mitt Romney." I don't buy that. I don't think a hypothetical DeSantis campaign would be as bogged down with distractions as Trump currently is.
But you just said...
IOW the people who pretend they’re mad at Biden for “enabling genocide in Gaza” are still going to vote for him. Because what really drives them is loan forgiveness.
"...The conviction is relevant because it reinforces the point that Republicans played into their opponents’ hands by nominating Trump..."
This is how TDS-addled steaming piles of shit like this attempt to justify their assholery.
Fuck off and die, you pathetic cunt.
If these independent swing voters you speak of exist in sufficient numbers to tip the scales one way or the other, I can’t imagine how trump “whining about 2020” can possibly be more off putting to persuadable people than the all around stench of desperation and death that is Brandon and the D’s.
You said something once about recency bias working in old joes favor. Opposite. You’ll see. The pendulum swings back faster these days. Expect one term douchebags going forward for as long as we are nominally allowed to choose.
“If these independent swing voters you speak of exist in sufficient numbers to tip the scales one way or the other, I can’t imagine how trump “whining about 2020” can possibly be more off putting to persuadable people than the all around stench of desperation and death that is Brandon and the D’s…”
Neither can the slimy cunt Sandy; the steaming pile of shit is hoping against hope that her TDS-assholery can somehow be justified to those not so afflicted.
And failing; sit on a barb-wire wrapped broom stick and spin.
Sandy, your parents will be relieved not having to explain your existence and will be happy to plug your sorry ass into the ground.
The conviction is relevant because it reinforces the point that Republicans played into their opponents’ hands by nominating Trump.
So, then the statement "no boots on the ground = can't lose" isn't true or ironclad. There are things Republicans could do to alter the "can't lose" fate. Otherwise, it doesn't matter if Republicans play along or not and you're just suggesting that they should do what you think they should do despite a/the fixed outcome... just like Jeff, SPBP2, sarc, Reason, does.
You know all about trolling you dumb cunt.
This is why I never admit to being a woman.
What is a woman?
It doesn’t know.
Why don't you quote to us all again how wrong SPBP2 was about his SCOTUS packing prediction, Sandy.
Tell us all, again, how Biden couldn't possibly lose as long as he didn't put large numbers of specifically deplorable American boots in harms way in Ukraine while cackling next to Kamala Harris and snorting blow off a hooker's ass with Hunter while wearing a Palestinian flag.
Heeeeeeeeeeey, TDS-addled shit pile Sandy! Please make the world a better place: fuck off and die!
I don’t really hold any animosity towards her. The old OBL schtick was fair and apt. The fact that she pulled off the mask but still occasionally drifted in and out of character was a little bit of goatfuckery, but it was goatfuckery in favor of zoning reform or whether $0.05 aluminum tariffs went too far enough or whatever.
I am, was, just baffled as to how she rightly gloated over SPBP2 about how wrong he was about SCOTUS packing and then ruined it all by being so adamant about Ronnie D. and Biden’s unquestionable victory in some sort of weird goat fucking orgy right alongside Chemjeff, SPBP2, Tony, etc.
I and others were explicit about this. We didn’t clearly prefer Ronnie D. or Trump one way or the other, that a fair primary was appropriate, and, boots on the ground or not, Biden’s notorious within his own party for his inestimable ability to fuck things up.
But Sandra continues to insist we accept her predictions as being without even signs of erring while still quoting SPBP2’s failed SCOTUS packing prediction to them.
More just sad than aggravating.
"Pathetic" and "TDS-addled shit pile" will do.
BIden may not be that dumb, although it's questionable, but those in his administration are.
I get it... Lardass Donnie is Jesus Christ and those jurors and alien judge are the Elders of Trafalmador and Punchy Pilot, while Marjorie Greene Teeth is the saved Fallen Female come to Pappa to dry His feet with her bleached hair. Did I get that right?
Now that the trial is over and they got the result they wanted, I guess it's time to start the retrospective. I suppose, like covid, we'll have to wait a couple years before they point out how truly fucked the situation actually is.
The situation isn't close to over. The next step is use the verdict as a means to remove him the ballots.
Yeah, and there's been a hard push in the press recently to delegitimize the supreme court. That's so they can scream bloody murder if higher courts overturn.
There's more to come. And it won't be pretty.
Yup. I will be shocked if we do not soon here about some DNC operatives claiming that Trump must be stricken from the ballot in some swing state (or some state with proportional EC votes).
The Democrat operatives are already planning that and more.
Possibly assassination?
At this point, little would shock me. I would suspect they’ll use all tools in the bag from lawfare to libel to assassination. They’re desperate.
It's been get him by any means possible since 2016.
Assassination would, one way or the other, wipe the slate clean.
The lawfare has left an indelible mark. An assassination and the resulting bloodshed, whether it produced a freshly-watered liberty tree or a brutal autocracy bathed in blood, would produce something that was effectively free of or severed from the blemish of lawfare.
He could be Epsteined on Rikers Island or taken out by a lone gunman a la Oswald. Either way the cameras will all mysteriously fail. Merrick Garland will declare that there was simply no way federal authorities could have anticipated this tragic event but those guys that turned off the cameras will be disciplined with a couple of weeks of paid time off. Reason will mostly sleepwalk through the whole thing with the exception of TDS expert Jacob Sullum who will write thousands of words on the subject while explaining in every third paragraph "well he did brag about assaulting women dontchknow".
If that happens it will be time for an open rebellion.
There was NO lone gunman. Oswald did not shoot JFK.
It was See Eye Aye hit.
Jack Ruby did not shoot Oswald.
The d do rats have vastly overstepped and will continue to do so. Whether this means their destruction at the polls, or in the streets is up to them.
In any event, our constitutional republic will not survive their continued existence. So let their existence end.
I'm not sure why someone would want to falsify an increase in federal income tax liability.
But the temporal argument is nonsense. Presumably Trump wanted to be re-elected in 2020.
I do agree that it seems unjust to punish someone for a felony of which he was not convicted.
This is probably the dumbest argument. People make mistakes or wrong entries on tax documents all the time. It is always a fine unless it is malicious and repeated acts. See Hunter Biden. Took half a decade and they still tried to avoid prosecution.
And even then they only go criminally for underpayment. Not overpayment.
So release all the blacks, latinos and hippies ever bullied into confessing to plant leaves instead of Christian prohibitionist trial?
""Presumably Trump wanted to be re-elected in 2020.""
That seems to be the crime.
That and being D. J. Trump.
No. According to Trump, he won the 2020 election. So he won 2 terms and now cannot run for a third. Because logical consistency is one of, if not the most well- known, hallmark of being Trump.
Whatever keeps the grift flowing.
Please donate, buy your bibles, and don’t forget a mypillow.
Is that your legal argument?
This may be the same type of numerical gymnastics that allows some of them to arrive at attempting to have sexual relations with minors.
They love numerical gymnastics, like 2 + 2 = 5.
Windycityattorney (Jeff sock #21,756) is as much an attorney as Greta Thunberg is a climatologist.
Clearly not a legal argument. I have made legal arguments while the trial was ongoing. Like why it was a stupid decision to not stipulate that Cohen paid Stormy's attorney 130k so neither Stormy or Davidson had to take the stand at all. And then to compound that dumb error, accuse Stormy of lying about the hotel room visit/sex so the State could then rehabilitate her with all the details that the Trump fan boys keep saying deprived him of a fair trial.
Newsflash retards: those salacious details are 100% team trump's fault. It's not even close. And that will not be a reason to overturn the jury conviction. You heard it here first.
Newsflash: This TDS-addled steaming pile of shit hopes he might be taken seriously by sentient humans!
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Did you represent Smollet?
Cite on you making a single intelligent legal argument?
You are not a very good attorney considering whether Ms Daniels was paid was not relevant to the case. And the details by Ms. Daniels was done on direct, not redirect so Trump's attorney had nothing to do with that.
Hey, Windy, should we vote for the guy that Biden's DoJ viewed as mentally competent for trial or the guy who Biden's DoJ decided was NOT mentally competent to stand trial?
Why not? Democrats just make shit up that has no basis in law. So why shouldn’t he?
I hope I never need an attorney in Chicago. I'd hate to end up with you representing me.
If there was ever proof you weren't an attorney this is it. Lol.
How would you know?
Because none of us are ignorant retards with room temperature IQ’s. Not like you.
"Uh, thanks. Huh, huh."
Hey, want to go hunting with me and my buddies?
Nobody believes your an attorney.
It’s not impossible. I’ve known some shockingly stupid and incompetent attorneys. But I would say that the chances of him being a real lawyer are about the same odds as ‘Bo Cara’.
"...According to Trump, he won the 2020 election. So he won 2 terms and now cannot run for a third..."
WindycityTDS-addled shit pile seems to think this makes some sort of sense, but TDS will do that, won't it?
This is stupid and tired. He believes he won if the election had been fair. Whether you agree or disagree, the fact is that he believes the election was unfair, which is why he lost. Therefore, he's still eligible for a second term since he was unable to serve his second term.
It's not logically inconsistent, it's a stupid talking point some people came up with because it makes them feel clever.
"...it’s a stupid talking point some people came up with because it makes them feel clever..."
You got windycityshitbag right there.
No, Trump has never admitted he lost, not because the election was rigged or for any other reason. And he has never conceded. He has, of course, acted consistent with having lost the election, e.g., by leaving the White House in January 2021, but that's just because he's also a coward.
Obviously, Windy was being facetious. The term limit applies only to people who serve the term (or part of it) and, having never been sworn in for a second term, Trump is not barred by the 22nd Amendment from seeking a "third" term.
(Incidentally, when Trump speaks of a "third term" he's probably including his "stolen" second term in the calculation, rather than vowing to "terminate" the 22nd Amendment.)
That's a long-winded way of admitting you are full of shit.
The crime was baptism by televangelist drool with attempted conversion of These States into a religious monarchy. Packing the court with Clayton Bigsby trans guy, Gorbasuch, KKKavanaugh and Mutterkreuz while his buddies in the Alabama Mises AfD did the same with the LP was not subtle enough to hide from women voters their reenslavement into pre-Roe death-sacrifice. The Don could've recognized error, but instead led mindless mystics to attack the vote count. Now not even his puppets on the court can save him since half of all voters are women. Too bad for office-seeker MAGAts.
I suppose you will have to reluctantly vote for the only non-felon running?
RFK?
If the powers that be can prosecute someone as powerful as Trump because he does not tow the official line by those in power, just imagine what they will do to us peasants...and don't think those who prosecuted Trump are not watching and reading what's going on this site and by whom.
Prosecutorial powers going after the unfavored is the cornerstone of systemic racism in the justice system.
Using questionable witnesses, overcharging, and charge stacking are things used in the war on drugs.
Funny to see people applaud it.
We've already seen, Jan 6.
It's a straight line from the J6 prosecutions to this one. Everyone who opposes the party and the bureaucrats is next.
Face act. Meme makers. Catholics. Moms at school boards. This may finally have woken people up.
Massive fundraising. Overnight polling showing Trump plus 6 off the verdict.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13480491/donald-trump-verdict-guilty-poll-positive.html
X and Tik Tok voters galore saying they hate Trump but now voting for him.
Manchin left the party.
Walk Away movement had a huge number of sign up.
But at least Chase Oliver is defending and making fun of the state abuse.
But Chase is dreamy!
"Show me the man and I'll show you the crime." Joe Stalin.
No one will be safe. Who's next? Ron DeSantis? Greg Abbott? Tulsi Gabbard? How about a few journalists. Is Justice Alito next on the chopping block?
I would expect action taken by the DemFascists against Alito, Thomas, and Kavanaugh next. If they can get rid of those three USSC justices, then they get to set the court for decades.
Better all the democrats be exterminated than the constitutional rights of one American be violated.
A masked MAGAt unable to spell "toe" or even understand the popular collocation is hardly in a position to intimidate Reason subscribers. But the attempt does exemplify the illiterate, bullying nature of bigots now running God's Own Prohibitionists. Even the Prohibition Party platform has now backs water, eliding its former demand for enslavement of pregnant women by amendment. That was the demand Grabbers Of Pussy copied in 1976, and which girl-bulliers parrot and screech as if there were no 19th Amendment.
https://x.com/OldRowOfficial/status/1796600687079588105?t=hYS5p5BmkEcUupXvwCcjYg&s=19
Did Joe Biden just admit Donald Trump is a political prisoner on live tv???
[Video]
Yeah, that asshole knows. He knows he and his orchestrated it, and he’s damn proud of himself.
To be fair, that smile could be an admission of guilt, or because Biden made a boom-boom on the way out.
Slight disagreement. He doesn’t know. He knows he’s on the side that performed it and that he’s nominally supposed to benefit from such mendacious lawlessness, but aside from that he hasn’t got the first clue what the fuck just happened. Asking him how exactly Bragg convicted Trump would elicit several minutes of babbling that would make Jared Bernstein’s explanation of Modern Monetary Theory look brilliantly cogent.
He would struggle to distinguish Alvin Bragg from Austin Bragg from Braxton Bragg.
Well, the non senile staffers around him actual,y did everything. Biden is just a retarded puppet for Obama and his henchfaggots.
Wow!
Not even hiding it.
That needs to be in every Trump campaign ad from now on.
His WH Council has met with every single DA going against Trump.
He even held a campaign event outside the courthouse.
Stay classy, Biden.
Is Donald Trump in prison? Missed that...
Maybe Trump didn't fuck Ms Clifford and that's why he insisted on denying it.
We'd all be fools if we thought for a second that merchan wasn't going to give trump jail time.
Trumps lawyers aren't very good. For example, he retained Cohen as his personal counsel.
If the affair did not happen, then why did a cheapskate like Trump pay to have it covered up? He did not pay Jean Carroll he insulted her, so why pay Stormy and McDougal?
Because it’s easier? Go visit her lawyer currently in jail for shaking down Nike and ask him if he did the same thing to Trump.
He paid the doorman and nobody believes that story.
Trump paid the doorman. Are you sure?
Do they make you take an IQ test to be part of Act Blue? NDAs are signed all the time without events happening. It is called extortion. Something Stormys lawyer specializes in.
And would that be an IQ test with a maximum, and not a minimum?
Yes.
Unless you're sure he committed a crime up front, what business is it of yours?
Why do you pay off all the people you didn't sleep with?
I don't think it's anybody's business why he paid off anybody.
The whole trial was a fucking scam.
Give me $130,000.
Fuck off and die.
Give me $130,000.
You should accept his counteroffer, and die.
Give me $130,000.
"If the affair did not happen, then why did a cheapskate like Trump pay to have it covered up?..."
Isn't it wonderful to hear from TDS-addled piles of shit regarding totally irrelevant issues?
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Because sometimes it is cheaper to pay someone off than actually go to court. For example one reason most stores don't let their employees stop shoplifters because if the shoplifter trips and falls while being pursued it could lead to a lawsuit and when that happens if the shoplifter isn't too greedy the store will simply settle because the cost of the litigation even in victory could be tens of thousands of dollars. In fact considering the stakes involved I would say that the amount paid Stormy is quite small if her story is true. The size suggests go away money.
Which court was the $130k supposed to allow him to avoid? This was to kill a tabloid story, not settle a lawsuit.
If Trump knew about the payment, and authorized Cohen to pay it, it was almost certainly because it was true. Others might have decided to pay it without knowing for sure if it was true or false, but Trump sure did.
None of which is illegal, spam.
Maybe, maybe not. There is now a NY Supreme Court guilty verdict showing that it is.
But he would only have paid the $130,000 (grossed up to more than double that) if the allegations were true.
Technically, it was Cohen who paid her. A man who admitted under oath that he stole money from Trump.
Edit: And didn't Trump say she could talk when this whole thing started 6-7 years ago?
And the jury still believed Cohen. Do you get it?
Yes, spam, and we know you do, too. So long as it feeds your TDS, any comment by anyone is believable to shits such as you.
I don't know. It's true; I don't like liars or assholes. But, sometimes you have to choose between one or the other, and Trump decided not to take the stand and contradict Cohen, so I can't compare Cohen's testimony with how Trump would have answered the relevant questions under oath. The jury was faced with the same conundrum and decided to believe Cohen.
Hey... Belief is Faith, and Faith is Good, right?
No matter is said the prosecution made its case and whatever you call the defense, they crapped out. That is the American legal system, two side in competition. The assumption is that that competition brings out the truth.
No. It made a political case to a political jury.
The American system is blind and equal justice. Not Russian, Venezuelan, North Korean, etc. Thats what you're defending.
"No. It made a political case to a political jury."
And then the judge told them how to rule.
Even a poor or non-existent defense would be sufficient, as the prosecution didn't do any sort of thorough job making anything stick.
This breaks the OJ trial record of a jury absolutely ruling the wrong way for political reasons
In modern day Russia ‘The Gulag Archipelago’ is mandatory reading. In modern day U.S., public school kids are illiterate and innumerate in blue cities/states, by design.
Not just" The Gulag Archipelago" include "1984"and "Brave New World".
IN the hillbilly girl-bullier states they read the first few lines of King James the Mystic's Wholly Bauble, and little else but Stormy and Little Baron Trump stories. Now act surprised the majority hardly ever bothers to grace yall's illictions with so much as a cast ballot.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
And in case you are serious, will you feel the same when some (R) judge in some Red state hears some politically motivated case against a (D) candidate, and a conservative bias jury convicts?
Many of us in eastern Washington are looking for a prosecutor in a solidly red county that has a likely compliant judge to investigate possible prosecution of Jay Inslee, Patty Murray, Bob a Ferguson. Maria Cantwell, etc..
I’m sure we’ll find one. Then it’s open season on democrats.
The defense was hamstrung by the judge preventing witness testimony on such relevencies as the applicability of federal election law, and the unconstitutional jury instruction that the jury need not be unanimous on the theory of guilt.
The jury was from a district that voted 90% Biden. They didn't need to be bamboozled.
They bullied the single hold out, if there was one.
No, you honestly don't.
I've read your posts and I know people like you. You're pleased with the outcome. You know that justice was perverted here.
""No matter is said the prosecution made its case and whatever you call the defense, they crapped out.""
This probably could be said of every wrongful conviction overturned.
A judge with a clear conflict of interest in a location with clear bias against the defendant is not the American judicial system. Or at least, it shouldn't be.
Every defendant is entitled to an impartial trial; did not happen.
The prosecutor, the judge, and likely the jury were all against him, there's not a defense team on the planet that could have gotten him off.
When are you ever going to hold Trump responsible for his actions?
The jury voted to convict. That doesn't mean the defense failed their task, it can mean the jury was biased against Trump from the off. And the defense doesn't have unlimited amounts of peremptory strikes; if the judge denies a strike for cause, they can end up with a ton of really biased jurors.
AH! But what if the competition gets 3% of the vote when the mirrored Bizarro looters are separated from power by a mere 2% difference? Suddenly the screeches for denying ballot access, for poll taxes, for night riders, planted plant leaves, branding as felons and sloppy seconds voting experiments rise to the keening wail of Tennessee tornado sirens. The Gee Oooh Pee have locked their platform into a Dallas Accord Doomsday Machine that cannot respond to the exigencies of real-time reality. To them the LP is suddenly an incoming Dinosaur-Killer bolide, hence their Alabama Anschluss. Three percent dissention is what spoiler-clouts the Kleptocracy into awareness.
Jacob, why can’t you admit this is lawfare. Of course the prosecution wasn’t firm or established, relying on unconstitutional and even statutory construction. The purpose was lawfare and you refuse to say that.
This, and your prior articles, always omit motivation for the case.
Even if the case was sound and never brought despite other sound examples of violations. It would be politically motivated. See the documents case you continue to defend.
The libertarian story here is abuse by the state at the hands of political actors. You dont avoid this when talking about Florida or Texas.
Sullum and Reason played their role.
Nooo nope nope nope every Reason writer hates Trump and applauds the verdict. That's what the narrative says. Anyone who says different is a liar. Especially Reason writers.
No one said that, you drunk troll.
You certainly do, troll.
People who think it was wrong don't celebrate like you.
"Lock her up! Lock her up!" -Trump supporters, 2016.
"Abloo boo hoo this is a BANANA REPUBLIC" - Trump supporters, 2024, after being hoisted by their own petard.
It's always reason to cerebrate when authoritarians get mangled by their own weaponry.
Because what Hillary did was traitorous and criminal, while an NDA is neither.
In fact the current roster of Democratic senators and congressmen have paid $17 million in NDAs. But I suppose that's (D)ifferent, right?
The fact that Hillary never got charged for those actual, real crimes must be (D)ifferent too.
Fucking fascist shill. Making excuses for your Nazi party's rape of justice and democracy.
>Fucking fascist shill. Making excuses for your Nazi party’s rape of justice and democracy.
Stop talking dirty to me, you filthy partisan whore.
You fucking bet I’m partisan. I will support anyone who seriously opposes the Democratic Nazi Party of America.
The second worst power-holding political party in the western world after the NSDAP. Worse than Mussolini’s Fascists, worse than the Spanish Falangists, worse than the Arrow Cross Party.
Slavery, the deliberate genocide of Native Americans in the Indian Wars, the Trail of Tears, the Klan, the resegregation of the Civil Service, Jim Crow, the Japanese internment, filibustering the Civil Rights Act, the Projects, and now they’ve turned the FBI into the Stasi, they spy illegally on citizens, they censor social media, and jail dissidents and their political opponents.
Absolutely fucking evil, and you’re one of their shills.
Did they lock her up?
Hillary was guilty of several federal crimes on their face. Many more have come to light since then.
But you’re too stupid to understand that.
Strawcastic strikes again.
sarcasmic, straight up question: Was this a legit prosecution and trial, in your opinion?
He’s made it clear that he thinks it was illegitimate.
He’s enjoying your suffering, cause y’all are some fucking douchebags.
And actually, you aren't one of the douchebags, so ...
DemSalad, this is an example of what I replied to you about. Here it is obvious sarc has no concern over state abuses. His concern is attacking his opponents. He has made statements against this trial to avoid having it pointed out to him he is an authoritarian piece of shit, but in actuality is gleeful foe the state abuse. The same shit you did earlier.
Maybe you two can rent a cabin on VRBO together.
Look who's talking. In literally the previous top-level comment, you criticize Jacob Sullum for an article that is completely and unambiguously against the verdict. Even the Nardz and ML now understand that Jacob Sullum is criticizing the verdict. You're alone on this one.
Sometimes people just agree with you. Sometimes it's people who usually disgust you, like me. I agree with you, the verdict sucks. If that means you need to take a shower to get clean again go for it.
I agree with these morons 90% of the time. Didn't stop them from attacking me for criticizing tariffs.
Honestly, this group of commenters makes me sick whether I agree with them 100% or none of the time. At least they aren't democrats...
National Socialist infiltrators never are, but they looked real purty on thim lampposts in 1945...
Talking about reading comprehension problems, I made my issue clear. It is his bias. He has no problem calling out political motivation except against Trump. Lol.
Nice chaff and redirect.
Are you able to comprehend what I wrote?
You dont disgust me at all. To me you're a sarc clone. A cosplaying dem in libertarian clothing broken by Trump without any true principles.
Ironically I'd be defending anyone against these novel charges. You two will say the occasional "yeah thats bad" but follow up with "but its that mothetfuckers fault hahahhaha."
When your first impulse isnt to defend against state abuse but to attack those against state abuse against someone you hate, it is very telling.
But then again, you approve of Chase Oliver also demeaning Trump instead of recognizing the state abuse. A true libertarian him. And you!
All the prosecutor had to do was drop a joint into Trump's pocket unseen. That would--in the exact same court where "the" Law had sent millions of black, brown and long-haired citizens to the slammer to the cackling delight of Christian National Socialists--do it to Whitey the Orange slob. MAGAt infiltraitors could then go into an inferential seizure until brainwashing kicked in again.
Imagine going full retard on this trial. Rigging things so obviously in plain sight, trumping up charges, pulling out every stop to get a conviction for an after the fact (election) book keeping error for paying off a porn star.
This is a guy sitting at the poker table throwing in all his chips, his watch, car keys, deed to the house, and wife, for a pair of 6's he had hiding up his sleeve.
This is going to be a phenomenal backfire. Even the most anti-trump outlets (and some acknowledge) know this is such a reach and nothingburger of a conviction. It really is so they can use the label 'convicted felon' for Biden's campaign.
This is (and should be) worse than Harry Reid nuking judicial confirmation requirements. They aren't going to like the taste of this medicine
I think they're going to try to throw him in jail and if he wins the election, they're going to impeach him again for high crimes yada yada.
You all are assuming them less evil than they are when you assume they only want to call him a felon.
Well, last week they wanted to kill him.
Yep, more brain-dead spam.
Just get rid of the democrats. It comes down to that. Or this will just keep happening and get worse.
Is their existence really worth all of this?
Observe that the strong suit of mental victims of mystical fascist doublethink is not their ability to upchuck convoluted prophesies, but rather, the capacity to forget them entirely the second they are falsified by the facts of reality. Reality and its facts are the worst enemies of Wishful Thinking as transubstantiated into Revealed Faith. The True test of Faith is successful willingness to cling to fantasy in spite of what those nasty facts have to offer.
Yes, the checks were signed after the election, but they were reimbursements for Cohen's payments before the election. Sullum is quibbling with technicalities. There were loads of evidence from plenty of documents and witnesses and tapes that Trump knew exactly what was going on. It's very very simple. We know that the arrangement was made before the election. So why wouldn't Trump himself just write the check to Stormy? Why the convolueted scheme to remiburse Cohen and then gross it up to cover taxes and add a little bonus for his troubles? (that put Cohen in prison).
I am not a lawyer, but the fact that Trump waited until after the election to write the checks does not get him magically off the hook. Read the testomony from David Pecker. Trump was very much involved in spreading fake news about Rubio, Cruz, etc. and he was involved with catching and killing stories. My only beef is why the Pecker/AMI arrangement wasn't the center-piece of this trial. He colluded with a media organization to spread fake news while yelling about fake news and his supporters seem to be fine with being lied to.
Yeh - well which election law was Trump attempting to evade? The federal one that the judge wouldn’t allow expert testimony on why it wasn’t applicable? Or the state election law preempted by federal; election laws? Or some other law sprung on the jury in the prosecution’s closing arguments, given after the defense had given theirs? Or, some of one, some of another, and some of the third?
Or the Natural Law that empowers people who hate Trump to pass judgement and impose punishment.
On that basis, all Americans have the right to summarily sentence any Democrat or democrats to death at will.
This right should be exercised vigorously, and frequently.
There were zero documents Trump knew what was going on. Every form was signed by someone else from the company, not Trump. Cohen was the sole connection that Trump knew what was going on. Cohen admitted to lying and stealing from the company.
Youre a useful idiot though.
Trump signed the checks. His dedicated employees testified that he always scrutinized checks he signed. Cohen had a tape of him and Trump discussing the situation and Pecker testified that Trump was aware of what was going on. Trump himself has a history of bragging about how much he controls his business. Bottom line, the buck stops with the boss.
You can fall for Sullum's argument about technicalities, but it is naive to think Trump was an innocent dupe. If you believe he was a dupe then you gotta believe he is not as good a boss as he makes it out to be.
Should I end this post by calling you a name? That seems to be the trend around here any time anyone criticizes Trump.
His signature was on the check from an autostamp dummy.
You think CEOs sign everything by hand?? Lol.
So thats 1 of the 34 forms. The other 33?
You think CEOs sign everything by hand?
I bet you he does. Just like he thinks they file their own taxes.
I bet he thinks Musk is somewhere in the basement of SpaceX or Tesla signing hundreds of thousands of employee paychecks and supplier invoices every month end.
Explain how Cohen managed to embezzle tens of thousands of dollars, per his testimony.
Trump paid the legal retainer via check. It covered legal services, which also included the hush money payment. As far as I know, It was addressed to Cohen, not Essential Consulting LLC, a dummy corp Cohen set up to facilitate payment to Daniels. That had nothing to do with Trump. Trump didn't order Cohen to sell his house withot telling his wife to secure the funds.
I've heard this "Trump should have known" line from Bragg apologists, which demonstrates the left's lack of critical thinking and confounding penchant for nonsense that got Trump convicted. First it's irrelevant, because the burden to prove criminal intent and motive is on the prosecution. Second, non leftists (apparently) know that NDAs are legal and negotiated by lawyers. Why would Trump think that what Cohen did was illegal? Cohen is his lawyer. It was his job to advise Trump if an NDA could be seriously construed as campaign expense. That's HIS JOB.
It'd be one thing if some underling like Roger Stone did this. Then maybe Trump had an obligation to ask Cohen whether that was legal.
Trump signed every check that he felt was fee for legal retainer. OH, the paper trails! John Edwards paid his mistress with checks disguised as campaign contribution. He's a good looking guy and a democrat, so the jury let him off. Yay!
Name?! All sockmuppet infiltraitors have is aliases and fakes with no link to a blog or website. Once the tables turn to their identically dishonest initiators of force of a slightly different persuasion, each cowardly lot then worries about that unequal yet apposite reprisal force they so patently have coming. Mentalities groomed for ping-pong matches have trouble adapting to three-variable situations. One suspects their handlers send them here as punishment and for being a liability everywhere else. The day Reason again insists on real names is the day they vanish.
https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/05/14/trump-hush-money-criminal-trial/cohens-reimbursement-checks-00157819
And the dollar bill is signed by hand from the current Treasury Secretary for every bill. Lol.
Then it looks like the jury believed Cohen. Maybe you should support the elimination of juries?
There were loads of evidence from plenty of documents and witnesses and tapes that Trump knew exactly what was going on.
Which isn't a crime. Paying a bitch to keep her mouth shut is entirely legal.
Paying off a porn star is 100% legal. The verdict is a travesty.
Mute list: JesseAZ, sevo, Nardz
Note to foreign readers: The U.S. Constitution allows a successful, non-treasonous looter candidate to run for a second term. By opportunistically pretending this is not so Trumpanzees are able to magnify Sullum's clerical error into an exploitable bug for purposes of recasting their slimy Fuhrer as a Second Coming of Jesus not even Stormy would believe. Now that third terms are gone, voters are learning to use noncommunist third parties to get the attention of political soft machines.
Sorry, but Jake Sullum's pathetic ranting is not much of an inducement to subscribe. And the level of "commentary" by commenters tells a sad story of the decline of the libertarian brand. Sad indeed!
Probably can't afford it anyways with your subscriptions to WaPo, NYT, The Atlantic, and donations to Act Blue.
Yup, libertarians who question and criticize state actions that are clearly politically motivated have gone off the reservation.
LOL.
"In the contest of Sullum v. commenters for the libertarian brand. Chase Oliver isn't even a spoiler in my mind." - Alan Vanneman
Supporting the overturning of unjust verdicts is usually something libertarians believe in.
Do you support over charging?
Do you support charge stacking?
Do you support jail for first time non-violent felons?
These are things libertarians and liberals do not support. Well, so much for the liberals.
And then you show up to prove how ignorant piles of shit can be!
'Last January, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg summed up his case against Donald Trump this way: "We allege falsification of business records to the end of keeping information away from the electorate. It's an election interference case."'
Is there any dedicated Democrat that does not constantly and automatically project?
In the 1992 election, George Stephanopoulos was in charge of suppressing Bill Clinton's "bimbo eruptions", so does this make him an unindicted election interference criminal?
Hillary was also running interference by attacking the accusers' characters. Isn't that defamation?
Sounds like libel, defamation, and exactly what Trump was charged with.
yeah, but did they falsify business records? Did they?
Did they keep business records? Did they?
Seth Rich,& Vince Foster would have something to say.
They can't though.
Sullum, this prosecution and trial are a national disgrace, and dishonor our country.
Every NY and NYC business woke up to a new reality today. They can (and will) be prosecuted if (D)ifferent NY/NYC prosecutors have (R)easons to think the business owner might have intended to break a law. Not that anything was done, but just might have intended. Oh, and the jury will be given a 'chinese menu' of crimes to choose from; you could intend one, two or all - it doesn't matter. If I were a business owner, I would head for the exits.
As for the aftermath, this is not good for the country. I do not want to contemplate what happens if POTUS Trump is imprisoned by NY state. There is no good ending here.
Without any doubt a number of companies and businesses will be soon leaving N.Y.
Florida is a much friendlier place.
Communists do not like capitalism.
This shows why, between Trump and Biden, Trump is the lesser of two evils: he and the people around him are completely incompetent.
This shows why TDS-addled shits should not be engaged.
Your new name is very apt, Scato. Did someone change it for you?
Your name is not very apt as you are nothing but worthless spam. Fuck off and die, asshole
Such an embarrassment...
Trump prepares appeal over historic conviction, as his campaign raises whopping $34.8M
The first US president to ever get convicted of a crime, Donald Trump is appealing, he said Friday. He will have to wait until after his sentencing on July 11 before taking that step.
Trump’s team announced right after the verdict, “Trump shatters fundraising records after rigged Biden trial verdict.” $34.8 million in donations, nearly double its previous daily record.
Trump needs to find a way to expedite this process. If he is at the mercy of the NY justice system, this could play out pretty poorly before January. Merchan is going to throw him in jail. Merchan is not a fair minded judge; serving justice is not his goal.
What are we looking at if the corrupt judge gives him a year?
Is the court of appeals that will handle this any less politically corrupted? Who is responsible for setting the trial dates?
In NYC, first time convicted non-violent felons rarely do jail time. They have diversion programs and such. This is done in the name of justice reform. Let's see if they abandon that too.
How about getting dragooned into fighting forest fires? Collecting trash along side the highway? Mansion arrest?
How about it. Are you good with that?
Most felons would choose any of those over time in the slammer. Given his choice of lawyers, though, who knows?
mtrueman|8.30.17 @ 1:42PM|#
"Spouting nonsense is an end in itself."
Surprised we didn't get some antisemitic Nazi BS tossed in.
Based on the history of this case, Merchan, and Bragg, I’ll wager they abandon that as well. They’re on a mission to “get Trump”.
The FBI has already made an attempt on his life which Trump cunningly escaped. What happens when his cunning is all cunninged out?
The assholic trueman posts bullshit:
mtrueman|8.30.17 @ 1:42PM|#
"Spouting nonsense is an end in itself."
Fuck off and die, slimy pile of Nazi shit.
The Democrat party is anything but democratic. They should just fly the flag with a hammer and sycle on it and be done with it. Then everyone will know where that party stands.
This is not going to end well. People are getting fed up and this latest fraud of a trial may have been the final nail in the coffin.
At this point, expect anything to happen.
Hunker down, it's gonna get nasty.
The question now is what are the Republicans going to do?
Congressional Republicans need to knock the controlled opposition shit off (for once), and I’m hoping that being a Never-Trump Rino is a death sentence politically.
Have fun with your re-election this year, Mittens.
Indeed. The RINOs need to go.
What did Fixer Cohen go to prison for?
Mostly unrelated fraud.
To visit his clients?
Same thing as Timothy Leary... being on the wrong side of a jihad between superstitious mystical bigots and stolid brainwashees of another, slightly different, force-initiating Faith. Republicans snickered in schadenfreude when their cops got Leary and their follower killed John Lennon. Now THEIR OWN dishonest and gullible tools are being picked off by the retasked Political State, and schadenfreude shows its teeth. Libertarian spoiler votes may not put libertarians in high office, but they sure as Hell knock the wind out of high, mighty and arrogant wannabee bullies! YES!
So the libertarian candidate for president finally decided to weigh in on this conviction and his response is...I'd say, not very good.
https://x.com/ChaseForLiberty/status/1796629409257980015
Not a good way to court the conservative-leaning libertarians, methinks.
Ah, yes! One more reason to ignore an assholic twit not capable of being elected dog-catcher and willing to sacrifice someone he doesn't like to lawfare.
Gunfag’s going to make Ralph Nader look like Ross Perot.
What if Trump is sentenced to a probation of "no running for office"? How much will people take of this before taking matters into their own, loaded hands?
I was also wondering about that first question. No one else seems to have considered it. Trump would then effectively have the choice of
1) staying out of jail and off the ballot, or
2) running for office from a prison cell.
Some of his statements seem to indicate he would choose the latter, but would he really? I tend to doubt it, but who knows?
Would such a condition of probation be legal in this circumstance? I can't see why it wouldn't be. Would a probation officer want to take it on himself to impose it, thereby altering the course of American history? Probably not. And I think Judge Merchan has already indicated he didn't want to block Trump's run for office, but that's not totally clear either.
I doubt that's within Merchan's sentencing options. But, you go girl.
Anyone who doxxes these jurors would be an ethics hero of the ages, almost as heroic as the Twelve Apostles of Christ!
Anyone who doxxes these jurors would be an ethics hero of the ages, almost as heroic as the Twelve Apostles of Christ!
You really have crossed into Poe's Law territory. What you say is so vile and rabid that it is impossible to tell if you are serious or trying to be funny.
This is the asshole supporting preventative murder for, well, the shit-bag is not real sure:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
Please explain how it is vile.
Anyone who doxxes these jurors would be an ethics hero of the ages...
Why would you think that doxxing these jurors be heroic? The only plausible answers to that question are vile motivations.
a) You think that the jurors were so corrupt that they need to be publicly shamed. Also, knowing how often people get threatened by nuts these days over politics, you must want them to suffer threats and intimidation.
b) Doxxing them is itself likely to involve either breaking the law or exposing oneself to some kind of danger or else it wouldn't be a heroic thing to do. And you want someone else to do that, obviously.
The most vile part of this is how doxxing them and subjecting them to the anger of MAGA fanatics would damage the jury system itself. Serving on a jury is already an incredibly thankless job that most people try and avoid. If any of these people suffer because of serving on this jury, it will even further make jury duty the most dreaded civil responsibility we can be called to do. Even more than paying taxes, I would say. And then, you clearly want to see any potential jurors for Trump's other indictments be intimidated into ignoring evidence and the law if it comes out against Trump and simply vote to acquit him. You've judged Trump to be not guilty, so anyone that says otherwise is an enemy.
And that doesn't even get into the ludicrous comparison to the Twelve Apostles of Christ.
LOL, they’re the safest people on the planet right now.
Unless the Justice Department decides to “nudge” some moron into doing something stupid. Probably require a lot less resources than say, arranging a governor’s kidnapping or a Deadly Insurrection™
By the way, heroes are coming ourt of the woodwork.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/6/1/2244106/-Pro-Trump-thugs-are-doxxing-jurors?utm_campaign=recent
LOL sites Dailykos as a reference regarding what Trump supporters are posting.
I usually don’t respond to trolls but that was too precious.
That's funny. Liberals didn't seem to mind when a Supreme Court justice was doxxed and even threatened with murder.
Trump's lawyers should have focused their defense on the points made here; he would have been acquitted. Why didn't they? Well, it would have meant admitting that he DID commit misdemeanor falsification of business records. That wouldn't really have mattered, since convicting him on those misdemeanors wasn't even an option available to the jury. Would the Manhattan DA's office have filed new misdemeanor charges against Trump at that point? I'm not sure that would even be allowed under the statute of limitations (anyone know for sure?). And it would really look blatantly political if they did. But would it be? If an ordinary defendant's defense against felony charges is "No, it was only a misdemeanor," would it be standard practice for such misdemeanor charges to be filed? I'm not sure. But Trump was too proud to admit ANY wrongdoing, and that may have been his undoing.
"But Trump was too proud to admit ANY wrongdoing, and that may have been his undoing."
It works for Netanyahu. The Democrats just eat it up.
"It works for Netanyahu."
Scumbag Nazi heard from.
Apparently, Trump's lawyers could have asked for the jury to have the option of conviction only on the misdemeanors, but declined to do so. (This was apparently still an option at trial, despite the statute of limitations problem, which would have otherwise prevented him from being charged with those misdemeanors.)
Cohen's attorneys admitted that Trump knew nothing of the payment, at least initially.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11891633/Smoking-gun-letter-Michael-Cohen-claiming-NOT-reimbursed-Donald-Trump.html
He made the payment himself. Trump "repaid" him in the form of a retainer, which covers past and future services, not just hush money. So the notion that Trump ordered to him to funnel money through essential services LLC is unproven bunk. He laundered money to pay legally binding NDA, and essentially repaid it and reported to the government in 2017?
Trump is a dummy. Melendez got paid with cash and gold bars he could stash in his house. Trump covered up a NDA with checks that become bank records. OMG the check is addressed to Cohen. He is guilty!
That ends my impersonation of a liberal in New York, a dumpster with the most overrated pizza.
Whatever Trump did after the 2016 presidential election, it seems safe to say that it did not retroactively promote his victory.
Given that it has been widely known for decades that Trump was not monogamous, it is absurd to believe the claims made by Stormy would have changed anyone's decision to vote for him anyway. Very few people that voted for him didn't already know as much about his history.
The context here is the Access Hollywood "grab them by the pussy" tape. That came out Oct. 7, 2016. Stormy Daniels had done an interview about her interactions with Trump in 2011, but it was not published when Cohen had threatened to sue after Trump was asked to comment. She tried again the day after the Access Hollywood tape. She had even got the same lawyer that Karen McDougal used.
That election came down to ~100,000 votes in 3 or 4 key states out of more than 10 million cast. It seems to me that Daniel's story coming out right on the heels of the pussy grabbing tape could have swayed enough people to have kept Trump from winning. It is one thing to know the reputation and rumors about a celebrity. It is another thing to hear the lurid details. It would be the swing voters most likely to be influenced by that information, and in those swing states, they are the ones that make the difference.
Asshole here is in favor of preventative murder for, well, the shit-bag is not real sure:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?…”
That election came down to ~100,000 votes in 3 or 4 key states out of more than 10 million cast. It seems to me that Daniel’s story coming out right on the heels of the pussy grabbing tape could have swayed enough people to have kept Trump from winning. It is one thing to know the reputation and rumors about a celebrity. It is another thing to hear the lurid details. It would be the swing voters most likely to be influenced by that information, and in those swing states, they are the ones that make the difference.
So what?
It was not a crime to pay off Stormy Daniels.
Why pay for Stormy's silence if it's the case that her making their affair public would have no effect on voter's intentions? It may not be a crime to give away $130000 for no reason, but it's extremely profligate and stupid. Especially for a man who aspires to rule the country, not to mention a loving wife and children at home who depend on him.
Why pay for Stormy’s silence if it’s the case that her making their affair public would have no effect on voter’s intentions?
That is beside the point.
Paying off Stormy Daniels violated no law, nor did refusing to report it as a campaign expenditure.
Without that, the falsification of business records are misdemeanors whose prosecution is time-barred.
" it is absurd to believe the claims made by Stormy would have changed anyone’s decision to vote for him anyway."
Then surely it is even more absurd to give $130,000 to Stormy to keep her silent. What the hell was going on in Trump's mind to waste such a huge amount of money?
What business is that of a TDS-addled slimeball like you?
Time travel Trump.
The thing Trump defenders are not getting is that Trump would never have let his lawyers use the best defense strategies that would have been more likely to succeed in getting him acquitted. The story I always see is that Trump learned from Roy Cohn to "deny, deny, deny," and Trump certainly took that to heart.
Trump probably insisted on a defense centered around denying that he had sex with Stormy Daniels, and that the defense should paint her and Michael Cohen as liars. That could have worked, but, Trump being Trump, he could not persuade the jury that he was more trustworthy than that pair. Defenses centered around the logic of the timeline or that the payoff scheme wasn't illegal and thus falsifying records wasn't the felony being charged were not used in the trial by the defense. Because that would sound too much like admitting that all of those events actually happened to Trump, and he is simply incapable of admitting anything that shows him in a negative light, not matter what proof there is of it being true.
The prosecution won because every fact that they alleged and the testimony of their key witnesses simply rung true to the jury, whereas Trump's defense could not offer any counter-narrative to that. Trump's lawyers should have been able to argue the law well enough to overcome that, but I think that Trump simply wouldn't let them because of his need to try to bend reality to him.
This pile of shit supports preventative murder for, well, the shit-bag is not real sure:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?…”
It wouldn't have made any difference what the defense argued. The prosecution could have spent the trial reading from the phone book and the jury would have voted to convict.
"the jury would have voted to convict."
Trump should have plead guilty, thrown himself on the mercy of the judge, and avoided any jury right from the start. Why go through the humiliation of the trial when the whole thing could be easily avoided?
Because the trial has been a great boost to his campaign.
For the messiah, there can be no martyrdom without persecution..
It is time to persecute Democrats a trillion fold in retaliation.
Absolutely. Just like John Yoo said, "Repairing this breach of constitutional norms will require Republicans to follow the age-old maxim: Do unto others as they have done unto you." Only, you think that you should do unto others "a trillion fold" as they have done unto you.
I'm sure the Apostles of Christ you mentioned before would agree that Jesus taught the Golden Rule to be exactly that.
Shorter version -
If only she hadn't worn a short skirt
Holy Cow, Sullum. You're drinking Kook-Aid by the gallon now and have gone full MAGA. The only confusion is in your mind. The act of paying Stormy occurred before the election. The Cohen payback cover-up happened after the election. Those are linked events. If Trump had simply written a personal check directly to Stormy or Cohen, it wouldn't have been a crime. But laundering the payment through a business and taking a business tax deduction for his personal legal expenses was a crime. Get it now?
But that's not what he was convicted of, moron.
He was convicted of falsifying records in furtherance of a separate crime, right? The crime was that the payments were done in such a way as to constitute a criminal campaign finance violation, and were made before the election, as I understand it. The records falsified to make it so that those payments were not made but instead was just 'legal services' by Cohen is a cover-up of that crime, even if they occurred after the election. Disagree with the truth of any of that all you want, but EdG's summary is seems fairly accurate to what the trial determined.
You're making an argument that was not made in the courtroom.
Flagged for name-calling and muted so I never have to see your name onscreen again.
Alright, PeeWee.
Egad! A DEMOCRAT infiltrator scampers all the way to Reason Magazine to scold Sullum for being lenient on The Don??! Now anyone can plainly see the law-changing, court-packing CLOUT even the clumsily infiltrated LP has on Kleptocracy elections with 3 million leveraged, law-changing spoiler votes. Like jurors in the box, voters FINALLY realize they hold in their mortal hands ballot power that can deservedly wreak reprisal force on BOTH of the criminal factions of the looter kleptocracy that so haughtily rob and imprison us. YESS!
Umm, okay?
The takeaway from this is that America has become a banana republic.
While fat Alvin Bragg and LeTrashia Jogger spent three years going after Trump, violent crime rages in New York. 1000 New Yorkers were murdered : https://youtu.be/G-nn3Kgfuqw
eDg: You have the nub of it.
If candidate Bump hired a professional assassin to take out his opponent, candidate Dump, with payment after the election, the later payment would not be an “ex-post-facto” or “retroactive” crime of aiding and abetting.
“How did records created in 2017 ‘prevent voters from learning’ about the Daniels tryst …”
The false records are evidence that Trump intended to hide payments which reimbursed the purchase of the NDA before the election. He *could have* written a check to Stormy for an NDA long before the election from his personal account. However, since it was explicitly motivated by a desire to influence an election, he would be obliged to report it to state and federal election offices, which he certainly did not want to do. Moreover, the “installment plan” for a non-existent retainer, solely to reimburse Cohen for the NDA payoff, was tax fraud.
The biggest legal problem is not the NDA, nor how it was bought, but rather the waffling terminology of the law, failing to specify the nature of “other crimes” attendant to the false records. That’s clearly “unconstitutionally vague” under NY state and federal law. The court should be punishing the legislators who voted for it.
The biggest legal problem is not the NDA, nor how it was bought, but rather the waffling terminology of the law, failing to specify the nature of “other crimes” attendant to the false records. That’s clearly “unconstitutionally vague” under NY state and federal law. The court should be punishing the legislators who voted for it.
This should have required the jury to acquit on all counts.
If the law is vague, then it would be logically impossible to fiond proof of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, as there will always be reasonable doubnt on whether the acts as alleged were crimes.
"since it was explicitly motivated by a desire to influence an election"
That question is very much in doubt. Also it's not clear Trump even knew what Cohen was doing.
"...since it was explicitly motivated by a desire to influence an election,..."
In the opinion of a TDS-addled pile of shit.
The nub here is that Great Depression voters used FDR and Truman to beat the crap out of God's Own Prohibitionists of beer and dope for their coercive malfeasance. Later, even after the dry looters somehow got a term-limits Amendment, the incompetent jerk accidentally elected by libertarian spoiler votes STILL HAD in 2020 ANOTHER CHANCE COMING TO GULL THE VOTERS his judges had reduced to the status of citizens of Vichy France during Christian National Socialist occupation. Voter ingratitude is incomprehensible to girl-bullying mystics, but possible reelection isn't.
Trump was convicted by a jury of his "peers." Remember that thousands of black people were convicted by juries for a hundred years of Jim Crow. When a judge and a prosecutor make sure that the biased jury comes to the correct conclusion, it may be a "jury trial," but is it justice? A fair question is: was this a legitimate criminal prosecution or was this more like an attempted coup?
In the dock was a representative enabler of force-initiating Christian national socialism that had eagerly wrecked millions of lives. Suddenly non-participants in the Reich had their gotcha moment and schoolteacher of infants Julius Streicher was sentenced on 01OCT1946--unmourned even by his Republican allies in the fight against FDR's liberalism. So the hippie-jailing, girl-baiting Fuhrer of Christian national socialism here has a comeuppance, and schadenfreude is part of the unequal yet apposite reprisal force. Pooor superstitious BAYbeeeeez!
WTF are you even talking about?
Note to foreign readers: Observe when MAGA trumpanzee infiltrators say "attempted coup" they are referring to the rough-and-tumble political campaign between two pro-aggression looter parties, NOT the violent mob attacking Congress during the second vote count on 06JAN2021.
"How did records created in 2017 "prevent voters from learning" about the Daniels tryst before they cast their ballots the previous year?" Logic is not a MAGAt strong point. Sullum on the other hand is equipped to realize that AFTER 4 million Libertarian votes so redealt the electoral votes as to accidentally gerrymander The Don into office, the possibility of actually getting into office NEXT election suddenly became a paramount issue for girl-bulliers. See today's Doonesbury cartoon cheering "EIGHT MORE YEARS!!!"
Sullum should quit pandering to the idiot MAGAts in the comment section. The case is straightforward. The stupidity and illogic was on Trump and his idiot fixer.
They chose a convoluted scheme to pay Daniels before the election and conceal the payment. This involved Trump paying far more than the $130,000 Daniels received. The crime continued into 2017 because the acts connected to it continued into 2017. The business records in '17 which were falsified as legal expenses to Cohen were, in fact, reimbursement to Cohen for his service in carrying out the idiot scheme to pay Daniels in '16.
Paying hush money is not illegal.
There's no law that says two misdemeanors make a felony. Bragg just made that up.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/06/34-reasons-bragg-biden-show-trial-should-have/