Trump Jury Instructions Invite Conviction Based on a Hodgepodge of Dubious Theories
The judge said the jurors need not agree about the "unlawful means" that Trump allegedly used to promote his 2016 election.

To convert a single hush payment into 34 state felonies in the New York case against former President Donald Trump, prosecutors are relying on several interacting statutes, which makes their legal theory convoluted and confusing. Juan Merchan, the judge presiding over Trump's trial, added to the confusion on Wednesday when he instructed the jurors on the conclusions they must reach to find Trump guilty.
Shortly before the 2016 election, Michael Cohen, then a lawyer working for Trump, paid porn star Stormy Daniels $130,000 to keep her from talking about her alleged 2006 sexual encounter with Trump. When Trump reimbursed Cohen in 2017, prosecutors say, he caused the falsification of 34 business records—11 invoices, 11 checks, and 12 ledger entries—that were aimed at disguising the reimbursement as payment for legal services.
Ordinarily, falsification of business records, which requires "an intent to defraud," is a misdemeanor. But it becomes a felony when the defendant's "intent to defraud" includes "an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof." The prosecution's theory of "another crime" relies on Section 17-152 of the New York Election Law—a statute so obscure that experts said they had never seen another criminal case based on it. That provision makes it a misdemeanor for "two or more persons" to "conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means."
Merchan laid out three possible candidates for "unlawful means" to which prosecutors have alluded. One is debatable, while the other two make little or no sense in the context of Section 17-152. Merchan said the jurors need not settle on any particular theory of "unlawful means," provided they agree that Trump was trying to aid or conceal a violation of Section 17-152.
By fronting the hush money, prosecutors say, Cohen made an excessive campaign contribution, thereby violating the Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA). Cohen pleaded guilty to that offense in 2018 as part of an agreement that also resolved several other, unrelated federal charges against him. While jurors heard about that guilty plea during the trial, CNN notes, Merchan instructed them that they should consider it only "to assess Cohen's credibility and give context to the events that followed, but not in determining the defendant's guilt."
It is unclear whether Trump violated FECA by soliciting Cohen's "contribution," a question that hinges on the fuzzy distinction between personal and campaign expenditures. Given the uncertainty on that point, it is plausible that Trump did not think the Daniels payment was illegal, which helps explain why he was never prosecuted under FECA: To obtain a conviction, federal prosecutors would have had to prove that he "knowingly and willfully" violated the statute.
The New York prosecutors say Cohen and Trump conspired to promote his election through "unlawful means." Under New York law, a criminal conspiracy requires "a specific intent to commit a crime." Trump's understanding of FECA is relevant in assessing whether he had such an intent, meaning he recognized the nondisclosure agreement with Daniels as "unlawful means." Trump's understanding of FECA therefore also is relevant in assessing whether he falsified business records with the intent of concealing "another crime."
This theory assumes three things: 1) that Trump recognized the Daniels payment as a FECA violation; 2) that he knew about Section 17-152, a moribund, rarely invoked law; and 3) that he anticipated how New York prosecutors might construe Section 17-152 in light of FECA. The first assumption is questionable, the second is unlikely, and the third is highly implausible. Yet you would have to believe all three things to conclude that Trump approved a plan to misrepresent his reimbursement of Cohen as payment for legal services with the intent of covering up a FECA-dependent violation of Section 17-152.
The other two theories that Merchan mentioned seem even less promising.
According to one theory, Trump was facilitating a violation of New York tax law by allowing Cohen to falsely report his reimbursement as income. Although that violation is described as "criminal tax fraud," Merchan said it does not matter that Cohen's alleged misrepresentation resulted in a higher tax bill. The judge noted that it is illegal to submit "materially false or fraudulent information in connection with any return," regardless of whether that information benefits the taxpayer.
Putting aside that counterintuitive definition of tax fraud, this theory requires believing that Trump, when he reimbursed Cohen, not only contemplated what would happen when Cohen filed his returns the following year but also thought that "unlawful means" somehow would influence an election that had already happened. The logic here is hard to follow.
Likewise with the third theory of "unlawful means." Prosecutors say Trump's falsification of business records was designed to aid or conceal the falsification of other business records. CNN reports that the latter records could involve, among other things, the corporate bank account that Cohen created to pay Daniels, Cohen's transfer of the money to Daniels' lawyer, or the Trump Organization's 1099-MISC forms for the payments to Cohen.
Since the 1099 forms were issued after the election, it is hard to see how they could have been aimed at ensuring Trump's victory. And although the other records predated the election, this theory involves a weird sort of bootstrapping.
Prosecutors say the records related to Cohen's dummy corporation, for example, were falsified because they misrepresented the nature and purpose of that entity, which by itself is a misdemeanor. That misdemeanor was the "unlawful means" by which Trump allegedly sought to promote his election, another misdemeanor. And because Trump allegedly tried to conceal the latter misdemeanor by falsifying the records related to Cohen's reimbursement, those records are 34 felonies instead of 34 misdemeanors.
"One of the three crimes is so circular as to produce vertigo in the jury room," George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley observes. "The prosecutors zapped a dead misdemeanor back into life by claiming a violation under New York's election law 17-152. The argument is that the crime was committed to further another crime as an unlawful means to influence the election. However, that other crime can be the falsification of business records. So the jury (or some jurors, at least) could find that some documents were falsified as an unlawful means of falsifying other documents."
Because Merchan said jurors need not agree on which of these theories has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, the rationale for convicting him is apt to be muddled. "The judge has ruled that the jury does not have to agree on what actually occurred in the case," Turley says. "Merchan ruled that the government had vaguely referenced three possible crimes that constitute the 'unlawful means' used to influence the election: a federal election violation, the falsification of business records, and a tax violation. The jurors were told that they could split on what occurred, with four jurors accepting each of the three possible crimes in a 4-4-4 split. The court would still consider that a unanimous verdict so long as they agree that it was in furtherance of some crime."
Merchan's instructions did include a caveat that could help Trump. "He said mere knowledge of a conspiracy does not make [the] defendant a co-conspirator," Fox News correspondent Lydia Hu notes. "Prosecutors must prove intent. Also, being present with others when they form a conspiracy does not mean that the defendant is a part of the conspiracy."
On its face, Cohen's testimony regarding Trump's participation in the alleged conspiracy seems crucial in establishing his intent. Cohen said Trump instructed him to pay Daniels. He also said Trump Organization Allen Weisselberg described the plan to reimburse Cohen during a January 2021 meeting, and Trump did not object. Cohen was the only witness who directly testified on those points, and Trump's lawyers argued that he cannot be trusted, noting that he is a convicted felon, disbarred lawyer, and admitted liar with a powerful grudge against his former boss.
Merchan said "the jury cannot convict Trump on the testimony of Michael Cohen alone because he is an accomplice, but they can use it if they corroborate it with other evidence," CNN notes. "Even if you find the testimony of Michael Cohen to be believable," Merchan said, "you may not convict the defendant solely upon that testimony unless you also find it's corroborated by other evidence." The other evidence is circumstantial. It includes testimony suggesting that Trump was worried about the impact that Daniels' story would have on the election, that he conferred regularly with Cohen, and that he was a proud penny-pincher who never would have paid Cohen without knowing exactly what it was for.
That evidence supports the inference that Trump knew he was reimbursing Cohen for the Daniels payment (which he has publicly admitted). It also supports the idea that Trump recognized that payment as a campaign expenditure and therefore an illegal contribution. But it does not prove that second claim beyond a reasonable doubt, which helps explain why the prosecution offered jurors two other possible theories of "unlawful means." If they are squeamish about the FECA theory, they can instead rely on the tax theory, despite its temporal difficulties, or they can accept the idea that Trump fabricated business records to conceal the fabrication of business records, even though that proposition makes the mind reel.
Since the jurors do not have to agree on the nature of Trump's "unlawful means," Merchan's instructions invite them to convict him based on a hodgepodge of three dubious theories. But if each of these theories is faulty, mixing them together cannot compensate for their weaknesses.
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You just now noticed the table was tilted against trump?
I can only assume you haven't been paying attention...
Whatever you say sockasmic
If anything, it's been tilted too much towards Trump. If the government needs to bend the rules, it's only to even the playing ground.
Hi sarc. Drinking yet?
I'm not sure I'd make the same argument, the principle of "innocent until proven guilty" implies an assumption that the defendant is being railroaded by the government. Which is why a "jury of ones peers" must make a unanimous decision to convict a person of a crime.
86% of residents being democrats in a city who elected a DA running on jailing Trump isn't exactly Peers.
But youre for this aren't you Mike. Just like every other abuse of power against your political enemies.
No. I am not for government abusing power to go after anyone, no matter their public persona or personal choices.
The precise meaning of Jury of One's Peers has been argued about since it was written down. These days it means 12 people too dumb to get out of jury duty. It used to mean 12 drinks from the saloon across from the courthouse. Not sure which is better.
The jury isn't the sole issue here Mike.
The entire prosecution and trial is an abuse.
Same with the Jack Smith cases.
Smith has been rebuked by the USSC unanimously for similar expansive interpretations of the law against McDonnell. McDonnell had to mortgage his house and lost his seat.
Process is the punishment at all.
I do note an absence of an apology...
What in the actual fuck? Have you not been paying attention?
By denying President Trump constitutional due process? By a statutorily conflicted judge administering the case, well, as one would expect a conflicted judge to act? By creepy Biden sending the former number # 3 guy from DOJ to persecu…er prosecute President Trump? By assuming state jurisdiction over the exclusive domain of federal election law, and misapplying federal election law? By hand-picking a jury presumed to be antagonistic to President Trump? There’s more, just skimming the lawfare surface, but the odds really are tilted in favor of President Trump? That’s so abysmally stupid that the only ones who might believe that are the talking heads on MSNBC and, unfortunately, the aforementioned partisan NY “jury.”
While Trump is being hit by all the corrupt methods at once these aren't brand new methods used to abuse their power. This has been going on to railroad people into prison for a long time. However it's been used on drug related crimes so I can understand why this seems all new to many on the right.
I would object to these methods whenever and on whomever used. Pointing out the abuses here is not a denial that other abuses have occurred and certainly not an affirmation of other wrongs.
Removing these methods was part of progressive prosecutorial reform. The way NY is going after Trump is unique in that sense. They are abandoning their much sought after reform just for Trump. That's why you see NY gov hinting that this is only about Trump to save face on their efforts to reform what they consider systemic racism in justice.
Looking for unbiased jurors seemed
an impossibility to me,let's hope they
did find a few.
Sorry for calling you sarc the last week Mike. Good to see you back. Didn't have enough jeff/sarc defenders who always make excuses for democrats.
It appears 90% of lefty comments originate from some version of either Jeffy, Sarc, Shrike, or Mikey.
They pretty much sound alike.
Leftist to you is anyone left of Ronald Reagan...
I mean earlier you were saying Reagan wanted open borders and ignoring the whole security reduced immigration part of the 86 agreement Reagan implemented as part of the agreement.
Forgive is for thinking you know Jack shit about Reagan. The other act blue leftists pretend to invoke Reagan as well.
Leftist to you is anyone left of Ronald Reagan…
Reagan was pretty leftist.
But you think he was 'far right'.
How telling.
Fuck you very much.
Mike, you've gotten angrier. Not enough GMO turducken wsshed down with some H02?
Lol
Is MrMxyzptlk really a new screen name for Mike Laursen? Did he admit to it? I'm just curious? And if he did, did he say why he changed it? It's not as though he posted dark web links to a certain illegal activity, as SPB2 did.
Fuck off and die very much, asshole.
after Defense rests.
What version of due process precludes having to identify the contingent crime, and to notify the defendant of it, AFTER the defense rests?
The politburo needs to reconvene.
Wait til Jacob finds out about the issues in the other cases. His mind might be blown.
LOL JesseAz. It's surprising to see an article from Jacob supporting Trump.
Jacob failed to write anything on the horrors of a government weaponized against anyone, let alone the banana republic action of doing it to the political opposition. It's the political class that wants to control us and milk us for all they can, vs. Trump who deregulated the economy via EO like a closet libertarian. If Jacob is aware of this weaponization of government (which was weaponized against Trump prior to the election by Clinton and Obama) he's silent about it.
In a libertarian magazine I'd expect either an appeal to the moral and libertarian position that the government has too much power here, or a warning about the potential end of democracy if it's not already over. After all, Obama/Biden/Clinton cheated in the 2020 election by using the government to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story, dealing with government corruption. Whatever happened to the Bill Clinton era remark that "It's only sex!" regarding Daniels or Clinton's NDA with Paula Jones? What's worse, a billionaire who allegedly had an affair with a porn star, or and father and grandfather not recognizing their child and granddaughter?
The table is stacked in has favor in the Florida case so it all evens out.
Except that in this case AT BEST for Trump he committed 34 misdemeanors each of which can get him a year in jail.
""The table is stacked in has favor in the Florida case so it all evens out.""
You have any proof of that?
I do see where Trump hater get upset every time the judge doesn't do what the prosecution says.
No kidding. Telling the jurors that they can vote guilty if they think Trump committed any type of crime, even different ones, that he was never charged with or had laid out in court. Who can get justice if you can be hauled into court and sent to jail without being charged with an actual crime.
If there was a God,Merchan would be struck by lightning.
Perfect. Since he doesn’t believe in or respect the letter of the law he can now have a taste of it and, as a result, get buggered in jail for many years to come. Kismet.
Idiot.
Buggered? Fuck off and get your tv license renewed.
Get em boyz
Ooo do Biden, Pelosi, and your friends.
Funny, I don't hear Repubs not paying taxes. Or you know stealing cars, killing people and all that other crime stuff.
What jail is Hillary in again?
Hillary next committed a crime, and certainly never tried to overthrow an election.
Full retard achieved. Was a tough competition this morning but you won.
I give it a 5.56 out of 10.
I’d give it a .223 out of 10.
How about a .223 out of an AR-15?
Nyet. I was in the thread for the Reason 6 dueing woodchipper gate.
Trump didn't either.
Oh yes she did!
So Hillary never committed a crime with all those proven violations of her national security agreements? Sure buddy, sure.
Her campaign was fined by the FEC.
Guess why?
She should have gone to prison for the national security violations. There was no question of guilt. Just Comey’s nonsense about her not hovmg any intent to violate said agreements. Ignoring that intent isn’t an element of the crimes.
Trump used an insecure mobile phone for his entire Presidency but the MAGA Cult doesn't care. Even though Russia and Israel both penetrated it. Hillary's server was more secure than the official one she was supposed to have used and nothing from her server went from there to WikiLeaks unlike the official one.
(And you were wondering why Putin and Netanyahu both want Trump back in the White House? The term is Asset.)
Are you real or just some drugged out weirdo at the public library computer?
Everyone got over that when Obama got to keep his Blackberry.
Well, Hillary was allowed to curate evidence in the email scandal, and suffered not at all for doing so.
Trump would have been arrested for destroying evidence.
In any case, this is a simple trial, and it depends only on whether Trump OK'd the repayment of the hush money from campaign funds, and nothing more.
Hillary had one lawyer represent everyone around her so she would know what everyone was saying.
""and it depends only on whether Trump OK’d the repayment of the hush money from campaign funds, and nothing more.""
I don't think that was the Judge's instruction.
et, stuff your TDS up your ass - your head is begging for company. And then make your family proud: Fuck off and die.
In 1981 a movie came out called The Wave about a High School history teacher running an experiment to show how easy people could fall into Nazi culture for Germany.
The democrats the last 8 years seem to be doing their own version of that movie. Full support of state abuses against their proclaimed enemies.
I remember that. Wasn't bad.
Based on a real event too.
Everything’s on the table to stop Literally Hitler.
The abuses are by Trump not Biden. Trump broke laws repeatedly including care of classified material (no he does not have legal authority to declassify everything and give it all to Putin), ignoring immigration law (and in fact he is opposing desirable changes), and receiving millions of dollars in cash from China.
And Trump has publicly stated that he will become a dictator in day one in office again and imprison his political opponents.
Thank you The View.
TDS much, motherfucker?
The abuses are by Trump not Biden. Trump broke laws repeatedly including care of classified material (no he does not have legal authority to declassify everything and give it all to Putin), ignoring immigration law (and in fact he is opposing desirable changes), and receiving millions of dollars in cash from China.
And Trump has publicly stated that he will become a dictator in day one in office again and imprison his political opponents.
This has got to be OBL or an imitator. No one is this perfectly gullible.
""No one is this perfectly gullible.""
I live in NYC and surrounded by liberals. Yes, people are.
How did they not choose you for the NY jury? Probably thought you were too objective.
Once upon a time, Republicans believed in law and order. They understood that important cases could indeed be "convoluted" while they showed that laws were in fact broken.
Meanwhile, leftists are as they have always been throughout history. Scumbags willing to use state and civilian violence to gain and maintain power.
Oh like the Leftists who opposed Hitler and paid with their lives?
What leftists? They were the leftists, asshole.
Nazi=National Socialist.
That's left wing. Nazism is a descendent of Communism, simply with the nationalist focus added on. Try reading. You might learn something.
Convoluted doesnt mean imaginary
Did Act Blie get an infusion of Soros funds to pay for Reason accounts this week?
Twelve socks, one
cupposter.Except Trump broke no laws. Thats why all the people that hated Trump and had every opportunity to prosecute him over a period of years did not.
But you’re too stupid and brainwashed to possibly understand that.
Trump clearly falsified the documents. All crimes.
Trump was also the Lindbergh baby kidnapper.
I knew it!
He didn't falsify documents. He's accused of misreporting a campaign contribution as legal expense.
Cohen negotiated the NDA as a lawyer. That is indeed legal expense. The retainer paid for past and future legal duties, not just a compensation for the hush payment. That's what a retainer does.
NDAs aren't campaign expense. Things like paying volunteers, setting up polls, running ads - these are expenses directly incurred with the election campaign. For the NDA to be even theoretically a campaign expense, Bragg would have to prove that Trump used the funds just to influence the election. Even if he did, it's not clear that it's actually a violation of campaign finance laws. Is any random thing that helps a candidate win an election a campaign expense? What if Trump paid one of those companies that erase unflattering details about your life on the internet?
The jurors were told that they could split on what occurred, with four jurors accepting each of the three possible crimes in a 4-4-4 split. The court would still consider that a unanimous verdict so long as they agree that it was in furtherance of some crime."
One of you TDS motherfuckers needs to justify this to the rest of us. How does a 4-4-4 split become a unanimous decision?
Add two. Three times.
Sorry buddy, that's not how the game is played. A jury can have a unanimous decision on one of several charges or a unanimous deciion on multiple charges which translate as a Guilty verdicts. But any non unanimous decisions are Not Guilty verdicts. That's the rules of the game, they don't change because you don't think the guy makes a good president or because you're sure he deserves to go to jail. The State has the responcibility to present a case that the defendant is guilty. If they fail the judge can't change the rules.
It was a joke. 4-4-4 + 2-2-2 = 6-6-6
“It was a joke”
Sarc’s favorite escape clause.
Sarc's clown shoes must be especially tight today.
Well... it wasn't a good joke.
After too many 40s, a certain person can no longer stand on just 2s and falls down on all 4s.
No, outside of N. Korea, communist China, or Cuba, that is not how the “game” is played. There is no 1/4 of the jury picking and choosing which statutory element of the criminal charge to agree on, especially the one element this whole farce depends on.
""But any non unanimous decisions are Not Guilty verdicts.""
Incorrect. They are mistrials. A Not Guilty verdict cannot be tried again. A mistrial can.
Well it's not 9-3 like they've mocked for other crimes so it's all good.
Damn your nimble typing fingers! 🙂
That said, not just "other crimes" but specifically in defense of Nicolas Cruz and specifically against the death penalty.
That case was for sentencing only, which required a jury to decide. The crime was already convicted by a unanimous jury. Not the same at all.
All they need is three groups of four honest men that disagree with the other two groups.
Or some made up bullshit to achieve the desired result.
If that happens, it will not end well for the democrats. One way or another…….
That is the law.
Sorry Charlie, but it's not.
The idea is that the jurors could split on which of the three alleged "crimes" were committed (if any), but that would still result in a unanimous guilty verdict on the felony charge for falsifying business records, if the jurors find that the records were falsified in furtherance of one of those alleged "crimes."
Omg, no writer at reason has questioned a single detail of this case until now? Biden loving fugazi losers.
And Sarc is a worthless tard!!!
You should have heard Binion on Wilkow’s radio show this morning. Oh how it pained him to admit they’re trying to victimize Trump.
On a side note, listening to Binion’s voice is painful. He sounds like a male version of this chick with her vocal fry, but with an upward inflection………
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2y5q31E1gQ
That's what scares me. I have absolute confirmation that this is a travesty, since Sullim, who hates Trump with a passion, is agreeing that this is absurd. However, so many people are just ignoring it or using it as a conviction by accusation.
Loudermilk was an underappreciated gem.
Poor sarc.
Since the trial is taking place in NYC, won’t Trump be turned lose as soon as he is convicted?
It is up to the judge.
Fatass Donnie is above the law as Sandy says. He could murder someone on live TV and skate free - like OJ.
A combo of a huge fan base/cult, fame, and good defense lawyers. Like OJ there will always be a bro on the jury to make sure he serves no time.
Not even the same as OJ. Trump could make a mess of someone's skull with a bullet and his defenders would still say he was the victim.
They say I'm the guy who plays the victim card all the time. Yet their leader, their savior, their road to whatever is the most victimist victim to ever be a victim in Victomviille.
Poor sarc. He’s such a victim.
Yes, pour Sarc, it’s everyone else’s fault he’s a worthless, drunken shitweasel. Especially Trump.
You and ChemJeff are the only 2 honest posters here.
The FBI should have done the country a favor and put a bullet in Trump's head just to put an end to this ordeal.
Okay. Definitely a parody account.
Oh, look, more auto-fellatio.
His nick is his dick length.
Aren't 5.56 rounds measured in millimeters?
Indeed they are.
That is a great point!
It's got to be a new OBL.
No. OBL is funny, or at least attempting to be.
He’s sarc
Fuck. You even cry victim for not being recognized as the biggest victim.
turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Trump's lawyers aren't very good. No wonder -- he is famous for stiffing everyone who works for him including his lawyers.
Pluggo prefers to be stiffing something else.
Sorta surprised he didn't just tell them to agree that orangemanbad.
It is not complicated: Trump sought to influence the election by paying off DAniels and he did it through Cohen because he knew it was illegal. Then, later after the election, they falsified records to conceal it. It doesn't matter that the falsifications were after the election; they were done to cover up the payments before the election to influence the outcome. Trump knew he had to hide it and that is what led him to falsify records....he is guilty as hell.
Idiot.
Trump sought to influence the election by paying off DAniels
What the fuck? Are they really going with this?
Sam Harris and Bill Maher still think the Steele Dossier is mostly truthey.
What part is incorrect? And don’t quote some right-wing propaganda site.
Parody
100%
“What part is incorrect?”
This part.
“it was illegal”
Citation: The entire US Code
Just because an idiot DNC prosecutorial politruk claims it was illegal and abuses his office, doesn’t make it illegal.
Nope. And even if he was, which he’s not, the statute of limitations was up two years after the event.
So really, fuck you and your moronic democrat shill bullshit.
Except Cohen is his lawyer. He arranged an NDA through his lawyer and then paid his lawyer "legal fees" to do it. None of these things are illegal.
NDAs aren't illegal
Paying your lawyer isn't illegal.
Noting your lawyer payments as legal fees isn't illegal, or falsification at all.
That's the problem. You can talk as loud as you want, but this is bog-standard stuff. The claim that it's election interference is nonsensical because if you include this, then you'd have to include huge swaths of routine actions that are done on Capital Hill.
Great summary of the entire case. The deranged Trump supporters don't like that but that is a felony in NY and it happened 34 times.
It is legal for the candidate to try to influence the outcome of an election.
It is legal to have someone sign an NDA
The entirety of the illegality that they're pinning this on is that it may be illegal if Trump was thinking that it wasn't paid out of campaign funs because he wanted it covered up.
None of the actions here are illegal.
But the left is trying to act as if the thoughts behind those actions make the actions illegal and prosecutable.
""Trump sought to influence the election by..."
It's a candidate's job to influence the election. That's literally the purpose of the campaign trial.
The problem is that there is nothing inherently illegal about entering into an NDA. The leap in logic you're making is to assume that, because the NDA was entered into prior to the election, that that necessarily makes it a campaign expenditure or contribution. That's still a novel legal theory, even after the John Edwards fiasco. You also gloss over the "intent" element here--namely, that Trump knew that paying Daniels for the NDA would amount to an illegal campaign expenditure AND that he intended to cover it up. Again, your argument becomes circular (Trump knew it was illegal because he tried to cover it up), but that doesn't suffice as proof.
So, if NDAs aren't illegal, and
paying your lawyer isn't illegal, and
classifying payment to your lawyer as "legal fees" isn't illegal
then, the jury should acquit.
Laid off MM shills bored tonight? The rando TDS accounts coming out the woodwork
A single samefag going wild
No doubt about it!
Wait, this is the New York case? What happened to the Fani Willis case? I thought THAT was the one everyone was watching.
I can't keep up.
Look, can you just tell me, are the walls closing in or not?
Meh, one load of unconstitutional lawfare bullshit, versus another load of unconstitutional made up bullshit.
Lawfare by Trump against Willis. He objects to Willis having had an affair.
Apparently affairs are only for Trump himself. One more example of how the deranged MAGA crowd are all hypocrites.
That’s not the objection
Nepotism was the issue.
Instead of the Wookie defense this is an application of the Wookie prosecution.
On top of everything else, this judge is asking this jury to find Trump guilty of crimes he has NEVER been charged with committing and which this court does not have jurisdiction to indict or convict.
The last point is irrelevant.
Idiot
"Dubious-part is very important. It doesn't mean anything, but it scares people every time. All right?" - Londo Mollari
'The judge said the jurors need not agree about the "unlawful means" that Trump allegedly used to promote his 2016 election.'
And the judge also said that the trial is a political sham beyond any reasonable (or unreasonable) doubt. BTW NYT subscribers and MSNBC viewers are also beyond reason.
At times, Reason is beyond reason.
That is like a judge in a triple murder trial saying that the jury not need to unanimously agree on which three victims the defendant murdered.
https://www.mediamatters.org/steve-bannon/steve-bannons-show-mike-davis-threatens-rain-hell-these-biden-democrats-and-warns-them
Mike Davis can be our Demona!
Merchan was an absolute disgrace. He might as well have been the "Angel Hernandez" of the courtroom with his tantrums.
He blocked a former FEC member from testifying that an NDA could not be a campaign finance law violation. He let the prosecution suggest that Cohen admitted to Trump breaking campaign finance law.
This country will be torn apart if Trump is found guilty in this Stalinist show trial. The national divorce will be all but complete. New York is a cancerous blight upon this country. They went through 9/11 and Cuomo induced Covid hell and they STILL don't learn.
"This country will be torn apart if Trump is found guilty in this Stalinist show trial. The national divorce will be all but complete."
I disagree. The outcome of a single state trial is not going to tear the whole country apart. Our legal system has a built-in process of reviewing decisions, and a long history of making corrections.
For the last longest while the (D)s have been gaming that system to ensure these 'corrections' come waaaay AFTER the results they want. Its all about the ends… not the means. The means are all corruption and corrosion of the justice system. The end is that they get to say “convicted felon! aaaaccck!”
I agree with you.
The attempts to remove him from the ballot after the initial conviction will more likely be the reason.
Prevent him from being re-elected is the purpose of this charade.
Trump's lawyers will have the opportunity to question jurors if they return a guilty verdict, and I doubt that those jurors would be able to satisfacorily answer questions concerning how they arrived at a proper guilty verdict. That would be further evidence for a Defense Motion for Judgment Notwithstaning the Verdict and/or an Appeal.
I’m still going with a hung jury as the most probable outcome. I’ve served on a jury in an important, complex case. There is something special that happens in the jury room. Twelve people who don’t know one another are asked to render judgment that will affect the lives and fortunes of another person. It is a sobering task. You don’t take it lightly.
No offense intended towards lawyers, but serving on a jury doesn’t endear them to you. You see just how one-sided they are, how far they twist things to be favorable to their position. You recognize that they are just doing it because that’s what they were hired to do, but still, it makes you wary and skeptical.
You also see up close and personal the difference between a good lawyer and a weak one. You pray that if you’re ever a defendant you can afford to hire the former, because there but for the grace of God go everyone.
Complex cases hang on small details that the jury feels are either misrepresented, or, even worse, attempted to be hidden. I feel pretty certain the jury in this case is going to ask whether Trump was, in fact, guilty of an election crime, or even if he was charged. They aren't going to find an answer to that question in the testimony, and it’s going to bother them greatly. They’ll have to decide who kept that information from them in the trial, and why. Just the fact that it is missing may even be enough on its own to hang the jury.
Even with the 4 + 4 + 4 = 12 configuration, it only takes one hold out. If that happens it will be interesting to see how fast Bragg and Co. can cobble another trial together before the election, which of course is the only reason it is happening in the first place.
This is truly a banana republic level of shenanigans.
Or maybe all the evidence points to a more solid conclusion...
This is just *yet-another* (in a long list) attempt to hang the witch!
"It also supports the idea that Trump recognized that payment as a campaign expenditure and therefore an illegal contribution."
This explains why people hire attorneys, because their knowledge of the law exceeds one's own, and their resourcefulness should be capable of fielding questions of legal relevance such as these:
At the end of the day, following a lawyer's lead should be legal. And if the action were illegal, then it must be a conspiracy to try legal services when there is no way to benefit from them (as Chief Executor, who really should know better than any lawyer).
The judge instructed the jurors that they were not required to agree on whatever crime they think Trump may have committed.
This is a direct instruction to vote to convict on any basis at all. It also seems to be an invitation for an appeals court to overturn everything, as the judge has suspended the need for a unanimous verdict.
Right to very end this trial has lacked a crime, evidence, and witnesses.
And it actually seems to be the very best they can do; I wonder if even the lawyer on the jury can explain or even comprehend the instructions.
The jurors in Trump’s New York criminal trial
Juror 1
A man who lives in West Harlem and works in sales. He is married, likes to do "anything outdoorsy," and gets news from The New York Times, Fox News and MSNBC.
Juror 2
A man who works in investment banking, follows Twitter as well as Truth Social posts from Trump and said, “I don’t have any beliefs that might prevent me from being fair or impartial.”
Juror 3
A young man who has lived in Chelsea for five years, works as an attorney in corporate law, and likes to hike and run. He gets news from The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal and Google.
Juror 4
A man who’s a security engineer and likes woodworking and metalworking.
Juror 5
A young woman who is a Harlem resident and works as a teacher. She lives with her boyfriend, loves writing, theater and traveling. She gets news from Google and TikTok and listens to podcasts on relationships and pop culture.
Juror 6
A young woman who lives in Chelsea and works as a software engineer. She gets news from The New York Times, Google, Facebook and TikTok.
Juror 7
A man who lives on the Upper East Side and works as attorney as a civil litigator. He enjoys spending time in the outdoors and gets his news from The New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the New York Post and the Washington Post.
Juror 8
A man who’s retired but worked for a major wealth manager. He said he enjoys skiing, fly fishing and yoga.
Juror 9
A woman who is a speech therapist, gets news from CNN and likes reality TV podcasts.
Juror 10
A man who works in commerce, reads The New York Times and listens to podcasts on behavioral psychology.
Juror 11
A woman who works as a product development manager and watches late-night news and reads Google, business and fashion news.
Juror 12
A woman who is a physical therapist who likes running and tennis and listening to podcasts on sports and faith
Can anyone foresee the possibility of even a 4 + 4 + 4 outcome here?
Judge: "Members of the jury, deus tecum sic gloria munde and also Tuesday, habeas corpus delecatessen."
Juror: "Say what? Whatever ... GUILTY!"
GUILTY! All of you bootlickers can suck it. SUCK IT. Can't wait to see him without his makeup and hair glued on, wearing prison stripes. NEXT TRIAL UP!