Libertarians Booed Donald Trump Because He Isn't Libertarian
Let there be no confusion: The Libertarian Party overwhelmingly rejects Trump.

Former President Donald Trump addressed the Libertarian National Convention on Saturday to make an explicit appeal to libertarian voters. It did not go over well. The crowd booed Trump for the duration of the speech. There were some MAGA supporters in the room who had come in just for the speech and were not otherwise involved with the convention; when they started chanting "we want Trump," they were drowned out by more familiar libertarian cheers, such as "end the Fed."
For all of the concern that the optics of Trump's convention appearance might confuse voters nationwide, give the appearance that Libertarians are in cahoots with Trump, or erase the considerable distinctions between the Republican Party and the Libertarian Party, Trump's icy reception should actually make it even more obvious than he has not earned the support of libertarians. Indeed, at a time when the former president is making inroads with all sorts of voters and delivering speeches all over the country, people who prize individual liberty booed him louder and more consistently than any other voting bloc.
What Trump had hoped to get out of such an appearance is unclear. According to Reason's Brian Doherty, the campaign first reached out to request a speaking slot. Libertarian Party Chair Angela McArdle then invited all three major presidential candidates—Trump, President Joe Biden, and Robert F. Kennedy Jr.—to speak, with her stated reasoning being that this would draw attention to the nominating convention. "This is an incredible opportunity for us to bring someone who grabs the spotlight and put them on our stage," she told The Washington Post.
RFK Jr. and Trump accepted; Biden declined. RFK Jr.'s remarks were much better received than Trump's—in fact, the Democrat-turned-independent received standing ovations when he promised to pardon Edward Snowden and drop the charges against Julian Assange. He also emphasized areas of commonality with libertarians: the importance of the Bill of Rights, and the frightening authoritarianism of the government's COVID-19 response under both Trump and Biden.
Trump did elicit some cheers toward the end of his speech, when he promised to appoint a libertarian to his Cabinet and free Ross Ulbricht. But the crowd did not buy his line that he was a libertarian, nor did they accept they he should be their nominee or receive their votes. After many minutes of sustained booing, Trump started growing hostile toward the crowd, suggesting that maybe Libertarians don't want to win after all.
"What is the purpose of the Libertarian Party getting 3 percent?" asked Trump. "What is the reason to take a chance of having this horrible president [Biden] destroy our country?"
Many libertarians support the Libertarian Party precisely because they do not trust ether Biden or Trump to avoid destroying the country; in fact, some of the most anti-libertarian policies have advanced under both Republican and Democratic administrations, from runaway federal spending to government surveillance to public health tyranny.
The Libertarian Party's refusal to co-sign Trump's coronation infuriated at least one of the former president's most ardent backers. Sen. Mike Lee (R–Ut.), who attended the convention and spoke on Trump's behalf, engaged in blatant Orwellianism, blaming "paid agitators" for heckling Trump—a baseless accusation—and wrongly claiming that actual conventiongoers were all-in for MAGA. On the other hand, Sen. J.D. Vance (R–Oh.) said he was proud of Trump for having the courage to enter "hostile territory" and make his case, correctly noting that Biden increasingly ducks even mildly unfriendly settings.
It's true that unlike Biden, Trump bothered to show up. But as the booing made clear, merely collecting a participant ribbon isn't remotely sufficient to earn the trust of most libertarians.
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*Grabs a bag of popcorn*
I think the editors here grab a bag of something else.
In case it gers too tedious, MST3K riffed a movie called Pod People that had an alien critter named Trumpy. The one on the screen is more affable than the one in real life:
MST3K--S03E03--Pod People
https://youtu.be/NIn3L_iFT6o?si=TTP9HJ24-mGWQRAF
🙂
😉
That was a good one, though I’m biased towards MST3000 in general.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13461623/rfk-jr-libertarian-trump-biden-party-presidential-nomination.html
Chaotic moment RFK Jr. accepts bid for Libertarian presidential nomination and shocking move could give him the votes to defeat Trump or Biden
Methinks those silly Brits overestimate his chances.
‘Maybe a brain worm ate that part of my memory, but I don´t recall any part of the United States Constitution where there´s an exemption for pandemics,’ Kennedy said, referencing a New York Times report that he was diagnosed more than a decade ago with a parasite that lodged in his brain.
‘Neither of them upheld the Constitution when it really counted,’ he said of Biden and Trump.
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'I'm against war, which I think is another important issue for Libertarians. I support constitutional rights. President Trump dismantled our constitutional rights during Covid. So I think Libertarians are probably more inclined to support me if they follow their philosophies.'
He didn’t get the memo that presidents are only responsible for signing legislation if it is written by their own party and not veto-proof.
Who will vote for a brain worm victim? We are already done with the Alzheimer’s victim.
Poor sarc.
Yes, pour Sarc.
TDS really is a crappy disease to have.
People can dislike an asshole from New York City without it being TDS. After all, New Yorkers are easy to dislike.
Yes, and people can dislike TDS-addled shits, TDS-addled shit.
I voted for that New York City asshole twice and odds are will do so a third time. Fuck You and your TDS. The man is easy to hate. The only good thing about him is how he pisses the left off.
"...The man is easy to hate..."
Good reason to vote against someone who was the best POTUS we had in a century.
Stuff your TDS up your ass.
You couldn't read the very next line in the lede?
hours before being eliminated from contention
RFK got 2.07% at the convention.
https://nypost.com/2024/05/26/us-news/rfk-jr-s-libertarian-bid-implodes-after-2-07-delegate-support/
RFK got 19 votes. Trump got 6 (as a write-in).
The irony is that Trump is far closer to being a libertarian than RFK Jr.. Of course, no one has ever seen how RFK would actually govern. I suspect that would change the outcome.
Compared to the last ten presidents I think Caligula would be a Libertarian...
A low bar, to be sure.
Compared to pretty much the lot of the last century, but TDS-addled shits don't like to be reminded of that.
You know who else emphasized the importance of the Bill of Rights?
Alternate-universe Hitler from the Backwards Dimension?
The ATF?
No American politician in the last eighty years?
Winner
The correct answer is: slaveowners.
Ipso facto, the Bill of Rights has been cancelled.
Who is Ron Paul?
A person with two first names. Never trust someone with two first names.
Chase Oliver out?
Barry Goldwater did, and lost by the largest margin up to that time.
Sometimes I wonder what this country might be like today if Goldwater had won...
Oh hell, go back to John Adams, who threw newspaper editors in jail for making fun of him. 1797, I believe, 227 years ago. Washington wasn't even dead yet, the First Amendment was only 6 years old.
At least that story had a happy ending when TJ let the laws expire and issued pardons.
Would have been better if the Supremes had struck them down.
We should Ask Hank how that went down. He was probably there.
Since the Libertarian Party has zero chance of getting any Libertarian candidates elected to any of the legislatures or to Congress, they might as well demonstrate our openness to differing viewpoints – especially ones we loathe, like Trump’s – and garner some media attention. The Presidential election is not, however, the most important choice facing those of us who prefer liberty. The only chance we have of reining in rogue government and regaining ground on freedom in America is to get five to ten percent of the representative seats in all state legislatures and in Congress. If there is a razor-thin margin between the Democrats and the Republicans and no one party has a majority, then and only then can Libertarians veto bad legislation and enact good legislation. Everything else is just cos-play for ham actors.
A Libertarian president might actually make things worse because it would force Republicans and Democrats to work together on making all their bills veto-proof. That never works out well.
Republicans and Democrats to work together on making all their bills veto-proof. That never works out well.
So you understand the uniparty but you attack those who criticize it and you attack Trump for most of the uniparty actions.
Are you retarded or just that broken?
Long TDS
We get it. To be better Libertarians we need to become Republicans and just suck it up on all the violations of individual liberty the GOP wants to force on us.
Fuck that and fuck you.
>"We get it. To be better Libertarians we need to become Democrats and just suck it up on all the violations of individual liberty the DNC wants to force on us."
Fuck that and fuck you. Go back to pretending Terminator was the first movie about the dangers of AI going rogue.
Forbin Project? Or would you count 2001 A Space Odyssey as ai?
Metropolis?
Technology on the fritz.
While a robot is involved it acts under the direction of a human being so I can't see calling it ai.
Maybe a 1950's scifi movie?
I never said that. I said it got through to the most people.
Don’t wrestle with pigs. The pig enjoys it and you just get dirty.
Yeah. You're not wrong.
I've always figured arguing with these half wits has nothing to do with trying to change them. It's all about the effect on the innocent bystanders. Show them for what they are.
But you're the pig, Sarc.
And stop samefagging your posts with your own sock, FFS.
LOL. What a hero.
Every time a new person shows up who has principles, the halfwits try to run them out by saying they are me. The irony is that they post Trump propaganda in lockstep but can’t imagine two libertarians saying similar things. Must be a sock or a Reason employee.
From the guy who brought you Trump is Hitler. From the drunk who laughs at a dead woman at the hands of Capitol officers. From the begging to stop saying FJB...
I bring you Socks. A movie about a retard who samefags his own posts after being exposed as a Democrat after the GOP unseated his precious be neocons.
Starring Sarc as the drunk from Maine.
Guest starring Sarc as Mr M.
Stay for the Mad Dog 20/20. Laugh at the claims of him being principled. A fun movie foe the whole family.
Lol
You’re implying that you have principles. You don’t. And you’re a well known inveterate liar.
And you are absolutely no libertarian.
It's fucking hilarious. They simply can't imagine people disagreeing with them. They're more like the leftists thry claim to hate than the Libertarians they claim to understand.
Shrike does this responding as his sock as well.
Tell us how being against the unioarty and GOPe is telling people to support the GOP. I’ll wait sarc.
I even have your quotes about demanding trust in institutions sarc.
They sneak in premises with what they say. If you don’t immediately refute them then you concede them. It’s a cheap rhetorical trick.
Ben Shapiro is famous for it.
Just giving you a heads up.
Yeah. The infamous "Have you stopped beating your wife yet" argument.
Switching to a sock doesn't make you more intelligent sarc.
How does being against the unipafty support the GOPe dummy?
Both, Jesse, he's both retarded and broken.
The chances of a Libertarian President are very remote, but if it were to happen the President would likely choose one party to work with. The President could influence bills by agreeing to sign them if they contained elements of their agenda.
the President would likely choose one party to work with.
Once upon a time libertarians worked with Republicans with the commonality being economic liberty. That working relationship no longer exists, but it wasn't because libertarians changed.
If a Libertarian ever got elected, the Republicans would still be the party they ended up working with because the Democrats have shown themselves to be against economic AND social freedoms.
Can I assume that you don't consider women's reproductive health and recreational drug use as social freedom. Seem Democrats are a lot more in tune with social freedom.
Democrats only support recreational drugs in so far as they can tax, regulate, and control them. As they’ve shown every time weed has been “legalized”.
Abortion is the only choice that they consistently “support”. I say “support” because they don’t even care about that, they just use it as a wedge issue. If they actually supported it, they’ve had the trifecta at least 3 times in my lifetime and failed to even try and move on it.
Libertarians also don't mind homosexuality, people worshiping or not worshiping as they want and grown folks having sex with or without the benefit of marriage. Thats even more commonality with the left. There's yet another reason the party should be giving up on seeking the aid of the right.
That doesn't work. It would result only in the Democrats and Republicans (and their electorates) uniting against the Libertarians, and give us more "rogue government" than if we'd encouraged one side or the other.
Imagine a group decision of any kind undertaken by a club or some such. 5-10% want something radically different from what the other 90-95% want. If this results in the group deciding on something much closer to what the 5-10% want, then there's something bizarre about the way the group decides things. To have any effect on the outcome in a well-functioning organization, the 5-10% have to throw their weight behind whichever choice of the major ones is marginally closer to what they want.
I gave money to the Libertarian party for 25 years. I stopped when they asked us to support Hillary. If there was any doubt, they asked us to support Sleepy Joe the next election. They are not libertarians by any stretch of the imagination.
Reason writers are not libertarian either. I go back and read the Objectivist newsletters by Ayn Rand.
I stopped when I realized the big L had been slowly captured when Gary Johnson was put forth and his terrible pick for VP. The more you see the reactions from big L against the MC the more obvious it becomes.
I wasn't thrilled with Bill Weld, but GayJay was pretty OK, on the spectrum of past and future LP candidates. I voted for him.
I'm of disagreement.
https://libertarianinvestments.com/2016/08/27/10-reasons-gary-johnson-is-not-a-libertarian/
Gary was put in to try to appeal to democrats causing a bad shift in big L.
I thought Gary was a good choice the first time, even if not a real libertarian, whatever that is. At least his record as governor showed some libertarianish leanings, and I was hoping he'd get enough votes for legit complaints he had upset the election. Weld the second time felt like betrayal. Reading that article reminded me of other statist positions. But Weld was the big no no.
Bob Barr was the betrayal candidate.
Ask 20 libertarians what a libertarian is, and you'll get 25 different answers.
So what, ask 20 Republicans or Democrats to define their party and you get the same result.
Political Parties are a horrible idea for exactly that reason. Giving over power to government is a horrible idea for the same reason.
We’d be better off with a Magic 8 Ball as president. It would be more consistent.
“For example, you don’t have to be socially liberal to be a libertarian. You just have to not want to use government force to impose your views on others.”
This one trips up a lot of the people that bitch about anyone who may seem more socially conservative.
I don't want to tell anyone what to do in their own personal lives, as long as they are not harming anyone else.
Gary Johnson was the best qualified and most libertarian candidate on the ballot that November. Weld, not so much.
Well, at least Trump and Kennedy are not afraid to step outside a carefully controlled safe zone and talk to people who almost certainly will not agree with them. Shows some openness and a little courage.
No doubt. Full marks for courage. I really didn't think he would do it.
I think that Trump expected a warm reception. Besides Trump being incapable of thinking people don't love him, the Mises folks are very Trumpy. That's probably why he got irked when he was booed.
Trump is extremely thinned skinned and does not take well to not getting his way.
He’s a pussy car co pared to Biden. Who uses the DoJ and other alphabet soup federal agencies to destroy his political enemies.
Like Trump.
Personally, I feel Libertarians need to be a lot more pragmatic and less dogmatic. Biden is a fascist dictator looking to control every part of our lives through executive fiat. That alone is enough for me to vote for the (MUCH) lesser of two options. The border is a disaster and Milton Friedman is correct. If you want an open border, end all welfare state giveaways.
The upcoming climate scam should also scare every red blooded libertarian…it will put covid measures to shame. Trump seems to “get it” on the fake climate scare…although he did struggle with expansive government and the swamp run amuck during covid.
No matter what there’s only 2 choices this year. An old 50 year “public servant” who lives like a billionaire and is running the country like a leftist Petrie Dish and Police State…or a real Billionaire who has an ego the size of North Korea but also has a track record that is the most libertarian of any president since Reagan.
I don't know how old you are but the purist vs. pragmatic argument goes back to before 1970 at least. Neither approach is effective. If you really want to be effective you will have to replace the two-party election system with a proportional representation election system and put libertarians into ten percent of the legislative and Congressional seats. That is the only chance, and as far as I know, the Libertarian Party is doing next to nothing to achieve that goal.
What could they do to achieve that goal? Proportional representation requires party-list voting, in which voters could not vote for individual candidates but had to vote for parties, and then the party bosses would install representatives in the number of seats their party's votes would call for. It's not just a question of whether Americans would stand for having to vote that way, but also how you would get them to change their form of legislature elections to such a system. There are a lot of things the LP can be blamed about for being useless or worse, but failure to move any handle that would lead to this reform isn't one of them.
That only applies to swing state libertarians though. A lot (most?) of us live in blue or red states where our votes don't count. The best we can do is add to the percentage showing discontent for the DR uniparty/deepstate/establishment.
News flash, your vote doesn’t count in any state. None of them are ever decided by one vote. (And on the tiny chance that it was, there would immediately be a recount and the outcome would change by 10,000 votes or so mysteriously.) I always vote for the candidate I want my vote recorded for, because otherwise it will be counted for someone else.
Yeah, you're right.
I always vote for the candidate I want my vote recorded for, because otherwise it will be counted for someone else.
Same here. I generally vote for L's as a proxy for "none of the above."
I did that for decades and watched the Ls get 1.5 percent in the national count, forget about swing states. I was actually jazzed up about the Ls maybe beating 5 percent in 2016. Then of course Johnson/Weld made asses of themselves and proved once and for all that the Libertarian party is completely irrelevant.
None of what Biden is doing would be possible without the efforts of both parties to empower the Presidency by shifting both power responsibility from Congress to the Executive branch, the bipartisan creation of all the intrusive agencies with power over the citizenry and the thousands of unconstitutional laws passed by both major parties.
If the Republicans were really for individual liberty they've had plenty of opportunities to stop the growth of the Federal Government.
At this point we've seen nothing from the GOP over the last 30 years that indicates they will stop the growth of the Federal government or even slow it down. At best we can expect them to shift the focus of the growth toward abusing groups they dislike. That's not a positive thing.
SPB has a point when he says gridlock is the best we can hope for. But it isn’t enough to convince me to vote.
I used to think gridlock was the best we could hope for. These days I think we need them to drive the country over the cliff and then put our efforts into picking up the pieces.
I’ve thought about that. Problem is that liberty is totally out of fashion, and control is what most people want. The argument isn’t over liberty or control, but rather who and what is controlled and who controls it. What would rise from the ashes of the American Experiment would be a mockery of the Enlightenment.
You done socking buddy?
Praising shrike the child porn addict was a nice touch. The guy who literally praises the economy under Biden. Lol.
Yeah, I think we had a shot in the 80s but since then the drive from both parties has been to promote fear of everything and they've offered the solution, more control.
An extended government shutdown is the best we can hope for.
With no back pay or reinstatement for non-essential taxpayer leeches.
I’d say hell yeah if I thought the latter could happen. But it won’t. Government shutdowns are always paid vacations.
My wife is a travel agent in western South Dakota, lots of federal land and monuments out here that get shutdown during those paid vacations. They always lose money when they happen. Which is what the big government types want.
Travel agents lose money. Rangers get time off without pay, then a big check at the end.
The only way things will get fixed is if the federal government has a full self destructive implosion and the people come to realize that they cannot depend on the feds to protect them or spend their money wisely. Unfortunately, the state governments will have to step in and retake the power they were supposed to have in the first place.
Another government shutdown will just be theater.
Yes, your good friend, the child molester.
It’s almost like the establishment Republicans (you know, all those NeverTrumpers who threw a hissyfit when he won aka The people all the supposed conservatives bitch about here.) care more about being the controlled opposition rather than actually do the things they’ve been elected to do.
It only matters in the swing states. My state is going for Trump no question so me voting libertarian wouldn't matter but I don't vote anyway.
Biden’s recent bill called for significant funding for immigration enforcement. We can disagree on particulars, but it’s simply not true Biden supports open borders. Second, it’s true the Progressive Left is illiberal and has strong authoritarian tendencies, but Biden is far from a ‘fascist dictator’. Think of how things would be if the likes of AOC had their way. Biden at least holds back some of the worst elements of his party.
The problem is that the Republicans party has chosen Trump, a genuine ‘Wanna-be Fascist Dictator’, as their standard bearer. If the GOP had chosen anyone else, this election would be an easy vote against Biden.
Mute list: JesseAZ, sevo
There’s already a bill that’s been passed by the House to address the border. It’s been gathering dust in Chuck Schumer’s office for nearly a year.
And yeah, the administration that strong armed social media to suppress Covid stories/opinion that went against the official narrative, tried to force companies to require vaccinations, got smacked down by the SC and said “fuck it, I’m doing it anyway”, is totes not a fascist. (And that’s not even close to a comprehensive list.)
Big Ls booed because over the last 15 years they have essentially become democrats with libertarianish arguments. The party of bake the cake and we must be anti racist. Many of them are very limited in libertarian thought, sticking to 1st impression type analysis. The same big Ls who hate Rothbard, Mises, and Hoppe. They are outraged their move left was thwarted.
Despite Trump listing where the crossover existed many of them bood.
They bood against
No CBDC, no new wars, lower regulation, less taxation. The biggest war was when Trump mentioned parodying Albricht. But some even bood that. Because they despise the man more than the policies that does agree with key libertarian aspects.
The final set of those who bood are those who well never accept the good and instead demanding the perfect. The issue is there is no perfect in libertarianism. The biggest names of libertarian thought have disagreed on many issues. You see this in abortion discussions and welfare based immigration discussions.
There is no one true libertarian (except sarc who took a test).
Ironically Trump didn't try to claim to be a libertarian. His entire speech was discussing the key crossover and how there was no crossover with Joe. This would have been a more effective article than walling off a single definition of libertarianism. Even the Reason staff has some disagreements.
There is no crossover with Joe or the Democrats writ large. Trump is FAR from perfect (very far, yuge in fact, some people say) and he's no Libertarian, but there are at least some policy similarities and goals that seem to align with liberty-minded individuals.
Like death penalty for drug dealers?
Even if there were fifty percent crossover between Republican policies and actual actions with Libertarian policies, it would not justify joining forces with Trump or the rest of the Republican Party, and the booing was totally justified. And even if there were a fifty percent crossover between Democratic policies and actual actions, it would also not justify backing Biden in the upcoming elections. In the real world Republicans have not pursued actions based on limited, smaller government policies for a decade or more. And Democrats have not pursued actions based on individual rights and freedoms policies. Paying lip service to ideals while actively pursuing everything but those ideals does not make me want to help either of them win over the other.
Why wouldn't it?
Is it because Trump is Hitler?
Because you guys seem to think that a 5% crossover with the Democrats is sufficient to vote for them to keep Orange-Man-Bad out of office. And you think this *despite seeing Biden and Obama's performance* in office along with the new crop of far-Left Progressives in Congress.
Voting for Biden accelerates the collapse of the Federal government. Strategically its a better vote. After all, putting Republicans in charge won't reverse the trend toward tyranny. It just slows the out of control drink driving toward the cliff. Why stretch out the inevitable collapse?
Oh brother.
Look man, we're not falling for the 'let the government increase in power without limit because it will eventually wither away' claptrap. Tell that to the commies. Worked out real well for them.
That's not what I said. The government has to drive off a cliff. Democrats will be able to drive it faster. When they are in charge Republicans go along with them. When Republicans are in charge they get gridlock.
Poor sarc.
Sarc "we must vote for Joe to collapse the country" while expected was not on my bingo card.
Sarc has gone full marxist looking for the collapse of the country. Lol.
It’s time to get rid of him and his fellow travelers. Should never have let them exist this long.
So your argument is to get nothing because it isnt perfection. A childish argument.
Do you know the expected value equation?
Youre straight up admitting you'd rather get nothing instead of 50%. You took the ball and went home a lot as a kid didn't you?
There is no getting 50%, 10% or 5% by voting for either major party. There is only getting an ass fucking. If you're a big fan of ass fucking then by all means vote major party.
"There is no getting 50%, 10% or 5% by voting for either major party..."
Folks, here's how you identify a raging, lying pile of shit.
Big Ls booed because over the last 15 years they have essentially become democrats with libertarianish arguments. The party of bake the cake and we must be anti racist. Many of them are very limited in libertarian thought, sticking to 1st impression type analysis. The same big Ls who hate Rothbard, Mises, and Hoppe. They are outraged their move left was thwarted.
This is excuse making. What about the Mises caucus takeover? You don't have to be a leftist to find Trump deeply flawed.
There is no one true libertarian
Sure, but compare Ron Paul to Trump...not even close.
What about the MC? I discussed them in the post. You aren't naively assuming Trump was solely bood are you? That it was 100% agreement? Lol.
Trump has flaws, I would argue they'll aren't deep based on the actions he took from 2016 to 2019.
But I also am rational and even a libertarian candidate won't check all the boxes I have. Expecting that is just childish.
You can get 10 libertarians in a room and you'll have 50 disagreements.
"But I also am rational"
No, no you're not. You're an emotional nutcase who supports the growth of tyranny.
Says the guy saying democrats need to win to collapse society just above. What a dummy.
“To be free, we must give into Stalinist tyranny.”
-Mr. Mxyzpktk, aka Sarcasmic
Yeah, because following the Democrats driving this clown car off the cliff and fucking up the lives of everyone in the nation we'd naturally vote for a huge government with even more control over everyone.
You aren’t naively assuming Trump was solely bood are you? That it was 100% agreement?
I'm not assuming that everyone booed and I'm also not assuming that everyone that did boo was a democrat.
If you haven’t already figured it out, Jesse’s shtick is to deliberately misrepresent and misinterpret what you say, make stuff up, lie, and call you a liar when you tell him he’s wrong.
He does look good in grey.
You're a discount troll who acts aggrieved and offended when someone punches you back. Your schtick is too well known here for you to pretend you're otherwise, Sarcasmic.
Does Jesse swoon when you whine knight for him? (That’s not a typo)
You’re such a hypocritical little bitch pussy. And you’re still running from me like the little gutless bitch you are.
Projection again sarc?
I’m also not assuming that everyone that did boo was a democrat.
You should also not assume that everyone booing was actually booing. I was saying “Boo-urns.”
You know, I considered there may have been ghosts there booing, but obviously they vote democrat anyway. Sadly, I hadn't considered the "boo-urners."
Oh. All the weirdos like Hank.
I didn't say they were democrats on my post. I said they side with democrats with a thin veneer of libertarian to push the democrat positions and policies.
Nice dodge
He is talented at posting huge diatribes that carefully don’t commit to anything at all. Reminds me of the Mayor in Nightmare Before Christmass.
Robby says that only MAGA conservatives who only showed up for Trump were the only people receptive to anything he said. Reason mostly ignores or despises the Mises part of the Libertarian party. It's actually disappointing if Robby is correct in saying that the LP was generally receptive to RFK but constantly heckled Trump. I'm fine with a few things RFK says and would prefer him to Biden, but Trump is way better from a Libertarian perspective
Reason mostly ignores or despises the Mises part of the Libertarian party.
They absolutely fucking hate it. More than they hate anything establishment authoritarian.
As such Reason now only represents a small fringe of libertarianism, that cares about mass migration, ass sex, drugs and abortion, but doesn't really care about free speech or civil and political rights.
Basically, for Reason writers libertarianism is a way of announcing that you’re a contrarian, but that you’re socially left and totally cool with the way that sex and drugs works for the American gentry class elite.
Food trucks?
ENB has a plan to incorporate glory holes into those food trucks.
Go on . . .
They were more receptive to RFK because they know he can't win.
So they just like being losers?
That actually tracks (as someone who voted for GJ twice and even pulled the lever for JoJo), and seems pretty close to Trumps response.
I believe that was the essense of the joke.
I may be wrong but otherwise maybe a /j tag or something to that efffect...
Joke? What joke? The taint of electability spoils it for LPers.
"You can get 10 libertarians in a room and you’ll have 50 disagreements."
Don't fucking lowball me, Jesse. Be honest.
In all the years he’s been harassing me he’s never been honest. Not once. He always lies and misrepresents. Always. Not worth engaging. He is the definition of bad faith.
You’ll see.
Poor sarc. So broken.
What lie sarc? You keep yelling this but never provide evidence. I have evidence of you lying if you want to play.
You lie every day Sarc. To my knowledge, which is I fintely superior to yours, Jesse has never lied.
Face it, you’re a slimy sack of crap.
I try to make a reasonable attempt to deal with issues instead of people, which I hope is one reason that you and I can disagree often, but without much animosity.
Same thing with Jesse - in this case I was just giving him a (hopefully noticed) good-natured ribbing about how his statement wasn't as hyperbolic as it could have been.
I approve this approach - although I admit that it is difficult at times.
That's the LP's problem. It needs to focus on one issue, prohibiting government coercion. I'm positive 99% of libertarians would agree with that.
Sure, now compare Trump, Ron Paul and Joe Biden. Come on, keep defending Joe and the marxists in the DNC.
I challenge you to find a post where I defended Biden or the DNC.
"...Sure, but compare Ron Paul to Trump…not even close..."
The imbecility of the L party, case in point.
Hint, you ignoramus: RP isn't running for POTUS.
Yeah, Ron Paul, nor anyone like him, is running for president, because people settle for someone like Trump as good enough. At least I register my discontent.
Oh, aren't you SPECIAL?! And stupid. Fuck off and die.
Its interesting watching the LP turn into 'Democrat-lite' while the non-LP aligned small-l libertarians are 'Republican-lite'.
One of the reasons the LP might be having problems getting onto the national stage is that they're kinda out of step with the majority of actual libertarians. Hence the putsch by the Mises Caucus.
Thats because there is no true center for libertarianism. People who believe so are simply in denial and don't understand that society is a chaotic system. I often point people to these:
https://mises.org/articles-interest/realistic-libertarianism
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1610166906/reasonmagazinea-20/
Short reads for most.
Thanks Jesse!
Politics isn't compromise, politics is trade. What can you get from Trump and what are you willing to give up to get it? Same with Biden except I don't see Biden offering anything at all. His keepers have him locked into "government über alles".
Would you give up abortion for a national right to carry concealed weapons? Would you give up ending the fed for a Constitutional Amendment forcing a balanced budget?
None of these choices is available today. The question is how do you get people to see these trades as being a path to a smaller, less intrusive government.
This is hard, but if it were easy, it would already have been done.
“Would you give up abortion for a national right to carry concealed weapons? Would you give up ending the fed for a Constitutional Amendment forcing a balanced budget?”
Yes and yes.
For you there is only Republicans vs. EVIL. Everyone not a republican is evil no matter what. Just like Bush Jr. If we're not with you, we're against you.
Poor sarc
Well how else would you describe everything that the Democrats have done over the last 150 plus years except evil, Sarcasmic?
Your Democrat party is the oldest and most enduring racist political party in history, and its racism continues to this day. Here are the facts:
The Democrat Party was founded in 1828. Its first national party platform, ratified during the 1840 Presidential election, stated:
“that all efforts by abolitionists or others, made to induce congress to interfere with questions of slavery… are calculated to lead to the most alarming and dangerous consequences, and that all such efforts have an inevitable tendency to diminish the happiness of the people… and ought not to be countenanced by any friend to our political institutions.”
The message was clear: the Democrat Party did not consider Black Americans to be “people” deserving of “happiness.”
That same language was in every national Democrat party platform for the next 16 years.
Democrat party leaders acted on their racist principles, committing high treason against their country and their fellow Americans between 1861-1865 in order to preserve the system of Black human bondage.
In 1868, the Democrat Party platform urged amnesty for the traitors who, during the Civil War, killed hundreds of thousands of Americans for the purpose of preserving slavery. The platform also called for “the abolition of the Freedmen’s Bureau; and all political instrumentalities designed to secure negro supremacy”
In 1904, seventy-six years after its founding, the Democrat party’s platform complained about the Republican platform:
“The race question has brought countless woes to this country. The calm wisdom of the American people should see to it that it brings no more.
To revive the dead and hateful race and sectional animosities in any part of our common country means confusion, distraction of business, and the reopening of wounds now happily healed. We therefore deprecate and condemn the Bourbon-like selfish, and narrow spirit of the recent Republican Convention at Chicago which sought to kindle anew the embers of racial and sectional strife, and we appeal from it to the sober common sense and patriotic spirit of the American people.”
Throughout most of the 20th century, Democrats condoned or excused policies of apartheid and disenfranchisement of Black Americans.
Senate Democrats successfully filibustered a Republican led anti-lynching bill in 1934, and a Republican-led effort to ban the poll tax in 1940.
At the time, the poll tax was so effective in the American South that only 3% of Black Americans were registered to vote there.
Elected Democrats fought tooth and nail against anti-racist legislation, filibustering the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and engaging in so-called “massive resistance” against school integration into the early 1970s.
Then there's the Indian genocide and the Trail of Tears, the creation of the Klu Klux Klan which was literally the Democratic Party's militia, the anti-Chinese laws, their resegregation of the civil service under Wilson, their internment of the Japanese, ad nauseam...
A century and half of racist policies vigorously supported by Democrat party leaders — no other political party in history comes close.
Poor sarc. Those democrats have good intentions. Trump is the new Hitler. Youre xenophobic and racist for not supporting illegals at a cost of 150B a year.
Have I told you self awareness isn't your strong point sarc?
There's a perfect in libertarianism, coercion is prohibited. All our problems are the result of men initiating force against other men.
No, they booed because of pride, and that fault goes back decades. They don't want to affect public policy anywhere near as much as they want to bask in their achievement: that of recognizing and praising themselves for what they've achieved — which is recognizing and praising themselves for what they've achieved, and the reflection in that hall of mirrors extends to infinity.
“ Libertarians Booed Donald Trump Because He Isn't Libertarian”
And because he’s a fucking loser, who can’t stop losing, and is going to lose again in 2024. It’s in his blood, and he is going to hand the White House back to Biden again a second time because he is such a fucking total loser.
He even lost 2016 right?
It WaS hEr TuRn!!!! Aaaarrrggghhh
He barely won in 2016 against a super weak candidate that people loathed. He made the critical mistake of peaking early this cycle, and he’s going to get the shit beat out of him in November. It’s too bad - just about every other GOP candidate this cycle could have beat Biden easily.
Thank you Act Blue.
Ya know, there are treatments for TDS, even advanced cases like yours. Or we can hope you die of it.
They all should die. There is no place for them. The least several years have proven that.
It’s them or us.
You better hope none of them shoot back.
We can assume, since they share your idiocy, they'll hit their foot before anything else.
So he is the second coming of Michael Dukakis?
Real addicts and junkies have an extremely aggressive violent edge to them.
A Pekenese Puppy missing a leg could have won against Hillary Clinton. Beating her isn't a win.
And we got 4 years of the best POTUS since Silent Cal.
No. Four years of incompetence and then we fired the man.
What a load of shit. He did ok. And he could have done a lot better if not for constant opposition from you Marxist assholes.
Your kind have got to go.
"No. Four years of incompetence and then we fired the man."
Here, shit-for-brains:
1) DeVos
2) Gorsuch
3) Kavanaugh
4) Ajit Pai, end net price fixing
5) Major reduction in the growth of regulations.
6) Dow +35%
7) Unemployment at 3.0% (!)
8) The US Manufacturing Index soared to a 33 year high
9) Got repeal of the national medical insurance mandate.
10) Withdrawal from Paris climate agreement.
11) Not sure about the tax reform; any "reform" that leaves me subisdizing Musk's customers is not what I hoped for. Let Musk run a company for once. But cutting taxes is good.
12) Pulled support for the $13 billion Hudson Tunnel project.
13) More than 16,000 jobs have been cut from the federal leviathan
14) MIGHT have a deal to de-nuke NK.
15) Killed moonbeam’s choo-choo
16) Supported and signed First Step Act.
17) “Right to Try” act
And finally:
18) Still making lefties steppin and fetchin like their pants is on fire and their asses are catchin'
I feel like he's won quite a bit more than he's lost, but ok...
If there is a politician who can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, it's Trump. But remember, Biden is awful and can't even obey his keepers. So long as Biden is in the race, Trump has a good chance.
And if Biden is withdrawn and replaced by any Democrat under 70 with above-zero name recognition, Trump has no chance. Same is true for Biden. It will be both of them or neither in the general election.
Whatever you want to tell yourself is fine with me.
You're full of shit.
No, Trump will be the R candidate. But I do think there is a better than 50/50 chance they dump Biden AFTER Trump is confirmed.
Thats why the debate B4 the D convention, thats why they are slow walking the response to Ohio's warning that Biden doesnt qualify for ballot representation, and that is why the D convention is AFTER the R one.
If the Dems dump Biden, Trump will be replaced by any means necessary. Trump will lose to any other Dem not in a coma.
Yeah, TDS-addled piles of shit are a reliable source.
“Trump will lose to any other Dem not in a coma.”
Ah, there’s the rub. Contact with reality is about the same for the “Woke” as it is for people in a coma. Finding an electable comatose stooge among Democrats is harder than it sounds.
The Dems only winning option is to find a political unknown, whose “wokeness” is not generally apparent. This would require that evidence for wokeness be concealed by the media like the “journo-list” did for Obama. Does such a beast exist? Probably not. So will the Democrats try to pass off some gangly new born colt as a unicorn? Probably.
They spent more than a decade grooming Obama, a typically incompetent Marxist, to squeeze him into the presidency when no one was looking. Today, I don’t think that they can pull it off. They were so confident that Trump would be defeated, they didn’t develop a plan B.
“he is going to hand the White House back to Biden again a second time because he is such a fucking total loser.”
Hey Shrike, here’s what the Libertarian Party chair had to say when your Biden Harris HQ team tried to gloat just like you:
You didn’t even show up. You have zero credibility.
LOL
Hey, Conchfritters. Who ya got that can win? We need a name.
That imbecile doesn't care, just so long as Trump doesn't show up the be the best POTUS we've had in the last 100 years again and prove Conchfritters to be a TDS-addled pile of shit. Again.
Lemme see, Trump talked to Libertarians. I'd say that's interesting on several levels.
Biden didn't talk to Libertarians and yet he got their vote.
To be fair, maybe Biden doesn't need to reach out to Libertarians.
Biden didn’t talk to Libertarians and yet he got their vote.
It’s all about reluctant strategery.
You confuse voting against Trump with supporting Biden.
Very good point.
Not really. There are many ways to vote against Trump without voting for Biden. By definition, voting for Biden is supporting him.
If someone feels compelled to vote, and doesn’t support either candidate, they still must choose. So they choose what they believe to be the lesser evil. They probably don’t support who they vote for. They just feel that the one they vote for is less-evil. They aren’t really voting for someone. They’re voting against someone in a duopoly.
Contrast that with cults of personality. That’s when people vote for someone. You saw that with Obama and Trump. Not with Biden. Nobody likes him. He’s just not Trump.
If someone feels compelled to vote, and doesn’t support either candidate, they still must choose.
This is correct. So if my choice is “Trump or Biden might win, but I prefer the candidate that sucked up to Marxists but everyone knows isn't going to win… but if it looks dangerously close, I’m going with __________”
I’ve yet to hear a coherent argument as to why if ________ is Biden, why Biden is better for libertarianism than Trump.
Neither is good for libertarianism. Both of them despise liberty. One of them kinda sorta shits on liberty on purpose. The other is so narcissistic that he kinda sorta does libertarianish things by total accident, promises to do some very unlibertarian things, and will change his mind if it serves his ego.
Which is worse? I suppose that depends on if you like to gamble.
If someone really thinks both of them are truly that horrible, you can literally vote third or fourth party in most states and can even write in in some states. Fuck, leave it blank (wouldn’t necessarily suggest that as it leaves someone to chance to make your vote for you later.)
An ostensible libertarian even entertaining voting for Joe “I’ve done nothing but politics for 50 goddamn years and I wrote the Patriot Act back in the 90’s” Biden defies every ounce of logic and reason.
Sarc, stop socking. It is just as retarded when you switch.
Yeah, there’s no polishing that turd.
I say you going into every thread critical of him to throw shut at Trump and then crying when people say Fuck Joe Biden then supporting all of his political lawfare is supporting him.
When as a Libertarian, I donated to become a lifetime member. I later left the LP when a strong anarchist strain infected the party. Sorry, but if the anarchists were actually to run things, whatever that means, the US would quickly transition into a totalitarian hell. This I see in practical terms due to the dark side of human nature. I have no doubt about this, and I sometimes wonder if this isn't by design by the anarchists. I could be wrong of course, but I refuse to take that chance. I will vote for DJT, reluctantly. Heck, it's only one vote.... 😉
I noticed the "Be Ungovernable" and said WTF?!?
If you had a country this size that was ungovernable, it would very quickly be under martial law. I'm supposed to take the LP seriously???
No, it means, know the law better than someone trying to govern you into any other thing they want you to do. You gotta know when you can walk away from a detainment and whether an arrest condition exists that shows tha the injustice must be contested or at least pled.
Its amazing how many people like you always say that if anyone except the globalist Progressive Democrats get into government the nation will descend into fascism while the nation descends into fascism under the globalist Progressive Democrats you keep voting into office.
Progressive democrats ARE the fascists.
"It's amazing how many people like you always say that if anyone except the globalist Progressive Democrats get into government the nation will descend into fascism while the nation descends into fascism under the globalist Progressive Democrats you keep voting into office."
I see it as a combination of several factors. First, the Democratic party's MO is to accuse the other party of what it's doing, and a lot of lemmings believe it because they said so and the MSM is backing it up: "These MAGA people are a threat to democracy!!!".
Second, the cognitive dissonance of realizing you were all wrong about this important subject, leads lemmings, I mean Democratic voters, to ignore the evidence it's the Democrats (and RINOs like Bush) leading the country into fascism (or call it authoritarianism, rule by the political class, mercantilism, socialism or communism - all flavors of authoritarians, who are the opposite of libertarians).
That's why narrative control is so important to them, why Obama started the censoring and capture of the MSM, and why they cheated in the election by suppressing the Hunter laptop story (and via other means).
When as a Libertarian, I donated to become a lifetime member. I later left the LP when a strong anarchist strain infected the party.
Libertarian: one who wants just enough government to prevent the angry mob from giving him exactly what he deserves.
What, who would have a problem with that? We all must make mistakes here or there; the infant soils pants of his own wearing. Other political parties show us that much, at least.
What does the federal government give you that you couldn't obtain yourself by paying money? And how much does the federal government tax you for the privilege of buying stuff you don't want it to buy?
Anarchy means "without rulers". A capitalist government that prohibits coercion would be anarchic because no one would have any power to rule.
Funny I should be here, of all places, where rain cannot pour on me and I cannot vote for a full slate of libertarian candidates, but I can vote for a cockspurred lunatic circus by forming one diacritical mark!!
I wonder how they would have treated Biden?
We have an idea of how Reason would have reported it.
Yes, but that couldn't be shown on cable.
They would have shoved their little girls at him.
That woule have been quite touching.
Gets you right in the feels.
Enough to give you the sniffles.
https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-booed-for-wearing-deodorant-at-libertarian-convention
No true libertarian.
"What is the purpose of the Libertarian Party getting 3 percent?" asked Trump. "What is the reason to take a chance of having this horrible president [Biden] destroy our country?"
Can you answer that, Robby?
Where have people's rights gone? Why can't we trade money or barter for plants without government stepping in to put people in jail or worse because they actually hold in their collection of objects some of that flora? Why does government cost so much to run that bureaucrats have to invent new offenses to charge people with so that police can cash in on traffic tickets, parking violations, walking violations, and an host of other potential interactions between other people, their personal property, or their family, or you, with people who call themselves police? And why does it seem that a person does not have any rights when it suits lawmakers?
So a room full of Big L "Libertarians" liked what progressive candidate RFK Jr had to say?
Shocked!
>Let there be no confusion: The Libertarian Party overwhelmingly rejects Trump.
Reason writers stop for a moment to wipe the fear sweat off their brow and catch their breath before they go on to continue ignore the LP and focus on how horrible Trump is and why we have to, reluctantly, but strategically, vote for Biden.
Whether they loved Trump or hated him, the LP is so irrelevant that Reason hasn't even covered their candidates this cycle.
The Libertarian Party convention goers booed Trump, but not because he's not a libertarian. Know how I know?
I still remember when, in the 2016 debates for the Libertarian Party presidential nomination, Gary Johnson said that he would compel Jewish bakers to make wedding cakes with Nazi symbology if asked, because he can't tolerate discrimination. Again, Gary Johnson doesn't want Jews to be able to "discriminate" against literal Nazis by refusing to make Nazi wedding cakes.
And he got the Libertarian Party nomination.
So much for libertarianism in the Libertarian Party.
The whole adderall from age 7, meth antifa junkie takeover of the party was inevitable.
If Biden wins , we can expect laws confiscating all privately owned firearms , a wealth tax , and more support for foreign wars. I have voted Libertarian since 1972. Trump has my vote this time around b/c Biden (Harris) would be a total fucking disaster.
If a Biden manages to claw out a second term there is a good chance there will be a revolution to stop him from doing those things.
I dont think so.
In fact, i think the probability of that is very, very small and gets more vanishingly small as future generations of voters are weaned on the media and education and increasingly the 'science' (social).
If Biden wins, he would still not have the huge majority necessary to do any of those things. Just like now. (Neither would Trump, to be fair.)
This went better than I expected.
The LP attracted plenty of media coverage, and most of it accurately described libertarians as supporting individual rights and limited government. Instead of portraying libertarians as members of the alt-right (as some leftist intellectuals have claimed), the videos make it clear that most of the libertarians in attendance strongly oppose Trump and MAGA.
Even the mainstream media is starting to recognize that libertarians are a significant constituency that can swing elections in a nation that is split nearly 50-50 between the two major parties.
Good point
Yeah, any coverage is good coverage. A smart move to invite the major party candidates and a leading independent, despite the tut-tutting from Reason.
"blaming 'paid agitators' for heckling Trump".
So this article explains why every pointer Trump made wasn't a Libertarian position where?
Yeah; Either paid agitators or a blatant hypocritical Libertarian crowd would be my guess. I wouldn't guess that if Trump was up their praising the Cares Act or closing the borders but all he said during the entire speech was make points of the Libertarian platform.
This is by-far more a Libertarian-crowd disappointment than a Republican one. Maybe this crowd needs to re-write their platform so it will reflect what their real intentions are.
>people who prize individual liberty booed him louder and more consistently than any other voting bloc.
No, that was mainstream LP convention-goers, not people who prize individual liberty.
Why would anyone who prizes personal liberty cheer Trump? I’m serious.
Uh... I donno.. /s Maybe a De-Regulation committee? Maybe for being outspoken against his own GOP abortion-banning freak-jobs? Maybe for insisting drug control isn't 'Fed' authority territory? Maybe for trying to kill Obumercare?
TDS dumb*ss.
Now tell us why would anyone who prizes personal liberty boo Trump? I'm serious too.
Trade wars. Economic protectionism. Rounding up people like cattle. Death to drug dealers. Praising dictators. Promising to be a dictator. Promising increased power and immunity for police. Rampant deficit spending.
And that’s just off the top of my head.
80% of those straight from MSNBC!
The rest are the product of his brain shrinking for decades of severe alcohol abuse.
1) Equal taxation =/= Economic protectionism and even if you want to pretend it does is protecting a free-market US economy from foreign influence not exactly what a union of states job is?
2) Rounding up invaders =/= bad. In fact it's precisely one of the reason the union of states was created.
3) Death to drug dealers. NO. That's a lie. Trump is for leaving drug prohibition to the states. He just uses "drug cartels" as an excuse of the "invaders are good" crowd.
Praising dictators, Promising to be a dictator is just your TDS bias showing.
4) Increase power and immunity for police. Which police do you think that pertains to when his Libertarian speech completely disdained the FBI and his desire to dismantle it? Oh yeah; It's probably police officers getting prosecuted by the Nazi-mob by Nazi-systems just like he's being witch-hunted by.
If I was asked to peg why you're such a moron sometimes I'd say it's because you're an illegal immigrant trying to spin anything any which way to not get exported and have to be invited/LEGALLY. All the rest is just blabber-mouth to that agenda alone. Or else you're a secret Nazi who like all Anti-American Nazi's wants the government for everything it is prohibited from doing and want to prohibit it from doing anything it should be doing.
Just leave off that last paragraph next time if you want me to continue to respond to you.
What happened to your "I don't get it" excuse?
No need for you to reply; there isn't much info in what you say.
Tax cuts. First step act. Less regulations. No war. Against digital currency. Against political lawfare and promised pardons.
Oh wait. That's why you hate him. He would free the J6 protestors.
Enjoy your purity test while it lasts. When Dementia Joe is re-elected and America finishes its slide down the tubes to full Californication, you can say "Gee, what a surprise, but it wasn't our fault, we're ever so pure."
You must be new here. No, libertarians will say, "Isn't America great? Look at all this choice we have! Why, a black lesbian can now work for the White House!
Here was what the party chair wrote.
https://x.com/angela4LNCChair/status/1794560219927744538
What a burn!
She is NOT wrong.
I watched on CSPAN and was somewhat amazed to see the level of booing was less than I anticipated. Trump overstated his "libertarian" accomplishments, and overstated his promises (to put a Libertarian in his cabinet). He stayed away from tariffs and bashed commies, fascists, neo-cons and warmongers to the probable secret delight of the many Libertarians who do likewise. Net-net Trump probably picked up more votes than he lost: some undecideds who were thinking of voting Libertarian this time decided they would vote for Trump. I doubt any who were thinking of voting for Trump have now been swayed to support the eventual Libertarian candidate (who will struggle to get 400,000 votes in 2024.)
It may no longer be true in the LP, but the run of the mill libertarian is pragmatic
and nothing Trump said drove such pragmatic libertarians toward the LP.
The libertarians who actually go to the convention are pretty hard core and unlikely to support a big-spending Republican, even if his first term was decidedly more libertarian than any since Reagan. But a lot of libertarians reading about it watching at home might be persuaded.
Elon Musk just posted video of Lying Jeffy.
Libertarians don't do paid agitators. We agitate each other for free.
I misread that as 'plaid alligators'.
And I'm not sorry.
We like to stir the pot. And in that case, it is a croc pot.
For the first time we have the front runner to the presidency negotiating with Libertarians
The LP should make huge demands of Trump
Take the political power and use it
Reason: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
How can anyone here disagree with this?
Oh yeah, I forgot - the offer came from Trump.
TDS, SAD.
BREAKING: In a speech today at West Point, Biden, who is directly trying to jail his political opponent, suggested the United States military must be prepared to intervene in domestic political affairs against President Trump.
The way I see it, is Trump is the most libertarian president in the past 75 years, who realizes he can't win libertarian battles against the RINO and Democratic political class or Congress. He had to push them to pass the tax cut they promised. Meanwhile he's fighting the deep state that's still trying to frame him as a criminal. What Trump did was mostly deregulate the administrative state via EO, resulting in fantastic improvements in our prosperity. He'd never had gotten elected if he took very libertarian positions like to end the Fed, legalize all drugs, or likely even balance the budget. And how about the Cato approved SCOTUS justices he nominated?
Prior to 2020, I voted for the libertarian candidate for president. because the uni-party candidates were all statists. Trump isn't in in politics for the money like the others, he wants a legacy of bringing prosperity to America again. And he knows how the political class rips us off.
I would suggest that the most libertarian President in the last 75 years was Jimmy Carter. The Carter administration saw more deregulation than any President since. Carter had less debt than any President since. Carter reduced military spending after the Vietnam War. Carter did not start wars and actually initiated peace talks between Israel and Egypt. The fact that Carter had only a single term may say how popular libertarian idea are with the public.
Hahahahaaha!!!!!!!!!!!!
You’re fucking funny!
No, quit serious. I think a check of the record will show that Carter, while not a libertarian would act closest to libertarian ideas as any President in the last 75 years. Again, check the record.
You.
Are.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
And that is common knowledge.
- Carter supported many of the goals of the environmentalist movement
- Carter signed the Department of Energy Organization Act
- Carter withdraw over 100 million acres from commercial use by designating the land as conservation areas.
- Carter embraced universal national health insurance.
- Started the cabinet level education department doubling the non-defense (welfare) budget.
- The Housing and Community Development Act of 1977 set up Urban Development Action Grants
- Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) programs and women's programs were also strengthened
- The National Consumer Cooperative Bank Act of 1978, Minimum wage coverage was extended to farmworkers,
- purchase requirement for food stamps was abolished
- His last two years oil shortages, and slow economic growth.
- $30B stimulus Public Works Employment Act
It's so funny reading this ... The Dept of Energy ------> Oil shortages. Who would've thunk it.
He did Cut-Taxes and De-Regulated Air-Travel. I'd give him as much credit on be Libertarian as Libertarians give Trump about being Authoritarian. Little needles in the haystack.
First, I never suggested that Carter was libertarian. Only that his actions were more libertarian that other Presidents just before and following him. Certainly more than Trump. I think that assertion will hold.
Regarding oil shortages. Carter's Presidency marked an inflection point in world economics. Other nations were beginning to emerge as competitors to the US. The oil shortages were a result of OPEC beginning to flex its muscles. That oil producing countries would no longer supply the world with cheap oil. The shortages also had the US looking for more fuel-efficient cars and this in turn opened the US to Japanese markets because they had these fuel-efficient cars readily available. In the years following the Carter Presidency the US economy would adjust. American oil companies were incentivized by higher oil prices to use new drilling techniques to get harder to reach oil. American car manufacturers began moving to more fuel-efficient vehicles.
I think him initiating the Dept of Energy and Dept of Education alone makes him FAR-WORSE than Trump but I find it humorous you have a list of excuses why oil shortage had nothing to do with a Dept of Energy and cancelling acres of oil supplies in Alaska.
"...Only that his actions were more libertarian that other Presidents just before and following him. Certainly more than Trump. I think that assertion will hold."
Only with TDS-addled piles of shit like you.
Just for the record, the 'shortages' did not occur until AFTER the federal government, led by your libertarian(?) Carter, imposed very fascist price controls.
Carter price controls were voluntary, kind of libertarian. It has been suggested that that is why they had little effect. Oil shortages began even before Carter as OPEC nation embargoed oil shipments. The years before, during and following the Carter Presidency all represented and inflection point in world economy. Oil would no longer be a cheap economic resource as oil producing nation demanded better compensation for their product.
"Carter price controls were voluntary, kind of libertarian..."
Parody or the dumbest shit in the 3rd grade?
STFU and GFY
...
They might as well boo the firemen for breaking the walls and furniture, or getting it wet, in their burning building.
Of course he was booed. Trump is not a Libertarian. He is an Authoritarian.
Mute List: JesseAZ, Sevo
This is interesting. The top of my list says “Mother’s Lament” but I see comments from “Mother’s Lament”.
I tried to keep him unmuted as the unofficial ambassador from my hate club.
But someone with his name is muted. The person using his handle has become increasingly shrill and emotional. Wonder if it is him, or if I muted him and he's being impersonated.
Wonder if I care.
No. I don't.
Nobody cares if you mute them.
Of course he was booed. Trump is not a Libertarian. He is an Authoritarian.
FINALLY! Someone here actually gets it. THAT’S WHY WE CHOSE BIDEN OVER TRUMP!
De-Regulating is so Authoritarian..................................... /s
Yeah; People who use their brain still don't get it.
POST THE LIST!
Oh, I'm shattered! Eat shit and die, asshole.
The novel idea of the Libertarian Party has offered a platform since 1972. I have seen interesting ideas pass by in the 1990s when I began taking notice of the deep social politicking of the national party and also tried to get a sense of state politics.
But no, we really do not need to win as the Libertarian Party in order to represent the libertarian vote. Neither do prisoners have to win, necessarily, in order to be understood as a sizable set of demographic characteristics (thinking of World War II concentration camps, for example, or non-violent felons convicted of selling something nature grows out in the wild).
Remember, to many of us with some qualifiable maturity, it is not whether you win or lose that matters nearly as much as how you play your cards.
The audience was not booing Trump out of the arena. But they were clearly not confident as to what sort of place he had there at the convention that needed to be represented.
Justice should be a worthy reason. Trump has been reaping prosecutorial powers galore to demand rightfully for him to answer to courts of law here and there, and its nature is not always confounding but blatantly questionable in some number of cases. Libertarians tend to have a keen sensitivity to issues along that calibre. But make no mistake, Mr. Trump was speaking to the convention as a free man, basically, at least in terms of his being free to move about and choose where he wants to go. Mr. Trump has quantifiable freedom equitable like anyone who can vote. Voters and free persons kind of resonate together: they are not incarcerated, and however much they may engage various legal proceedings including driver license renewal or federal Treasury Department paperwork, they generally consider themselves better off in the short term even if, on a good day, the law would be known apart from provisional liberty that a driver's license confers and at certain consequence.
But nationalist liberty? That might be like printing paper money using a paranoid -- nay, securified -- almost nationalized sort of printing press that issues bank notes that represent something of a liquified value attributed to a discrete vestibule of valuable but physical tokens of precious status.
When Americans want liberty your way, based on whatever agenda the candidacy season so yields, they will vote Libertarian more often!
Observe the seeping fear in Robby, driving him to write a prop piece squealing "Libertarians reject Trump!" Please Robby, tell us what the truth is, help us avoid crimethink. I'd say get a job at CNN, but there's not much job security there. But you do what you can to make sure Biden gets another term.
https://reason.com/2020/10/12/how-will-reason-staffers-vote-in-2020/
I don't want Robby to leave for CNN. If he did, I wouldn't my Amber Duke videos, and I would have a sad.
Seriously, though, Robby is pretty OK, usually. Decent takes, most of the time, and I would literally murder the rest of you all if it meant I could have his hair.
Looks like Soave and Reason are once again campaigning to elect the most corrupt, incompetent and economical disastrous president in US history (i.e. Brandon).
As a pragmatic libertarian, I'll be voting once again for the most libertarian president since Calvin Coolidge (i.e. Donald Trump).
America needs Trump to resolve Putin's war against Ukraine, reduce Biden's disastrous inflation and subsequent interest rates on mortgages, end Biden's absurd assault on carbon and energy in the US, end Biden's illegal and college loan deferment (to US taxpayers), end the left's (and Biden's) ESG, DEI and unnatural transgender policies, and make America Great Again.
The only two issues on which Biden is more libertarian than Trump is protecting women's right to abortion (which is now a state issue since Trump wisely opposes a nationwide ban on abortion and contraception) and his new support (after decades of his War on Illegal Drugs) for removing cannabis as a Class 1 drug.
While the Libertarian Party candidate could be a spoiler that helps Biden (and/or the clueless Harris) become the next President,
Jill Stein, Cornell West and RFK Jr. are more likely to be spoiler candidates that help Trump win in November.
But the most likely outcome of the November election is that Trump will win in such a huge landslide that it will overwhelm all the Democrat and left wing media propagandists efforts to rig and steal another election.
And unlike Biden's policies that enriched, enabled and emboldened Iran and Hamas to viciously attack and destroy Israel (and have protect Hamas terrorists at the expense of US hostages since the Oct attack), Trump will actually help protect Israel, the only democracy and largely libertarian country in the Middle East.
And the best reason libertarians should support Trump is because he will, once again, attempt to dismantle the Deep State that has plagued our nation for many decades (and should be a far bigger national concern for libertarians than the release of several people from jail, even though I support the latter as well).
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The next president likely will be decided by voters in just several states (i.e. PA, MI, WI, GA, AZ, NV).
At the moment, Trump is likely to win five or six of those states.
As Pittsburghers, my wife and I will continue to help Trump win PA.
While Biden is likely to win seven counties in PA (Philly, Allegheny, Dauphin, Bucks, Montgomery, Delaware, Northampton), Trump is likely to win big in the other 60 counties), win the election inPA and nationwide, help McCormick beat Casey, and retake the US Senate.
The crucial issue in Trump winning PA is the margins in those respective red/blue- rural-urban counties. Biden needs big numbers in Philly and Pitts. to offset the “win-big” ( as you say, correctly) numbers in rural counties.
Well, good luck with that, Biden. The brothers are pissed off after @4 years of desperation and Bidenomics. If they stay home, it’s landslide material.
Donald Trump went to the LP convention to speak to libertarians. They heard him, and will give thought to what he said.
He did not go to the LP convention to talk to Libertarians. They are tools of the left, corrupting and coopting the name 'Libertarian'.
What I saw in that room was just the opposite of what Froot Sushi said, libertarians listening and cheering, and Leftists pretending to be Libertarians acting the useful idiots as is their desire. Hooting like brainless apes to make the large crowd and cheering seem less.
And Trump stayed on message; 'only vote for me if you want to win'.