World War War III May Already Have Started—in the Shadows
Cyber intrusions, arson, bombings, and other mayhem feature in the conflict between West and East.

Britain's signals intelligence spy chief raised eyebrows this week with warnings that Russia is coordinating both cyberattacks and physical acts of sabotage against the West. There's evidence to back her claims—and the West may be returning the favor. Coming soon after FBI Director Christopher Wray warned that China is targeting American infrastructure, it looks like the world is not only fracturing once again, but that the hostile blocs are engaged in covert warfare.
Rumors of War
"We are increasingly concerned about growing links between the Russian intelligence services and proxy groups to conduct cyberattacks as well as suspected physical surveillance and sabotage operations," Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) Director Anne Keast-Butler told an audience at the United Kingdom government-sponsored CyberUK 2024 conference. "Before, Russia simply created the right environments for these groups to operate, but now they are nurturing and inspiring these non-state cyber actors in some cases seemingly coordinating physical attacks against the West."
Keast-Butler, whose agency is comparable to the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA), also called out China, Iran, and North Korea as cybersecurity dangers. But naming Russian officials as being behind "physical attacks" raises the stakes. Sadly, her claims are well-founded.
Sabotage, Espionage, and Other Mischief
"A 20-year-old British man has been charged with masterminding an arson plot against a Ukrainian-linked target in London for the benefit of the Russian state," CBS News reported last month. That wasn't an isolated incident.
"In April alone a clutch of alleged pro-Russian saboteurs were detained across the continent," The Economist noted May 12 in describing what it called a "shadow war" between East and West. "Germany arrested two German-Russian dual nationals on suspicion of plotting attacks on American military facilities and other targets on behalf of the GRU, Russia's military intelligence agency. Poland arrested a man who was preparing to pass the GRU information on Rzeszow airport, the most important hub for military aid to Ukraine. Britain charged several men over an earlier arson attack in March on a Ukrainian-owned logistics firm in London whose Spanish depot was also targeted."
The GCHQ chief's warnings coupled with reality on the ground are alarming in themselves. Worse, they come after FBI Director Christopher Wray issued similar cautions in April about China.
"The PRC [People's Republic of China] has made it clear that it considers every sector that makes our society run as fair game in its bid to dominate on the world stage, and that its plan is to land low blows against civilian infrastructure to try to induce panic and break America's will to resist," Wray told the Vanderbilt Summit on Modern Conflict and Emerging Threats in Nashville, Tennessee.
Wray clarified that, by "infrastructure," he meant "everything from water treatment facilities and energy grids to transportation and information technology."
If that doesn't make you want to check that your pantry is stocked and that the water filter and generator are in working order, nothing will.
A Game Both Sides Can Play
Of course, in war of any sort, the implication is that both sides are involved in conflict. Western intelligence officials are loud in their warnings about foreign threats, but less open regarding just what their own operatives might be doing in Russia, China, and elsewhere. Still, there's evidence that this is hardly a one-sided war, shadowy though it may be.
In June 2022, The New York Times reported that Ukraine's defensive efforts relied heavily on "a stealthy network of commandos and spies rushing to provide weapons, intelligence and training." In addition to Americans, the story noted, "commandos from other NATO countries, including Britain, France, Canada and Lithuania, also have been working inside Ukraine."
American journalist and combat veteran Jack Murphy goes further, claiming the CIA, working through an allied spy service "is responsible for many of the unexplained explosions and other mishaps that have befallen the Russian military industrial complex." The targets include "railway bridges, fuel depots and power plants," he adds.
And if you wonder who blew up Nord Stream 1 and 2, well, so do a lot of people. Russia was initially accused, but it didn't make a lot of sense for the country's forces to destroy pipelines that generated revenue and fed western dependence on Russian natural gas. Since then, Denmark and Sweden have closed inconclusive investigations, journalist Seymour Hersh blamed American officials, and a report by Der Spiegel and The Washington Post placed responsibility on a rogue Ukrainian military officer.
The Wider War Is Here
Taken all together, the warnings from Keast-Butler and Wray, as well as acts of sabotage and arrests of foreign agents suggest that fears of a wider war resulting from Russia's continuing invasion of Ukraine may miss the point; the war could already be here. People looking for tanks and troops are overlooking cyber intrusions, arson, bombings, and other low-level mayhem.
"Russia is definitely at war with the West," Oleksandr Danylyuk of the Royal United Services Institute, a British defense and security think tank, told NBC News earlier this week.
Russian officials seem to embrace that understanding, with Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov commenting in March that the invasion of Ukraine, originally referred to by the euphemism "special military operation," is now more serious. "It has become a war for us as the collective West more and more directly increases its level of involvement in the conflict," he said.
Fortunately, a shadow war of the sort around us is less destructive than open military conflict, especially when the hostilities involve nuclear-armed powers. It's far better that spies hack the email accounts of government officials, as happened in the case of a Russian cyberattack on Germany's ruling Social Democrats, than that cities burn. But civilians still must live with the consequences of combatants attempting to do each other harm—particularly when the harm is to infrastructure on which regular people rely.
So, welcome to the world of global shadow war. Try to not become collateral damage.
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Busy doing the only thing governments do well: destroy value.
The elite coercing and funding corruption, governments and media versus everyone else.
Same war, different name.
Tell us all about elites, governments, and media verus everyone else. It sounds like what you buddies pulled off from 1933 to 1945.
Fuck Off, Nazi!
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Jews, not Nazis, are currently on trial for committing a holocaust in Gaza.
I’ve refuted that BULLSHIT propaganda story, victim gold card crutch, countless times and to date none of you have ever refuted anything that I’ve said.
There are only two possible explanations for this.
First, I’ve shared the truth that cannot be refuted.
Second, you’re too stupid to refute what you deny.
Which is it?
The following points refute key elements of the embellished WW2 holocaust with logic and science. Truth can’t be refuted.
There has been no objective forensic analysis at any supposed site. There is no physical evidence. Any activity that demonstrates and shares evidence to refute the holocaust is a crime in every nation where it allegedly occurred.
The fact that all evidence that refutes the holocaust is criminal in every nation where it allegedly occurred is especially relevant if you are accepting any evidence at all from those nations.
Refusing to consider evidence is the definition of bias, bigotry and a disregard for justice.
Without objective forensic evidence all we have is a story made up of piecemeal recollections of events from paid and coerced fuckwitnesses.
I refute those stories with correctly applied logic and science.
The crucial event of the story is the cyanide gassing of millions of Jews. That couldn’t have happened as claimed. The story is bullshit.
Jews have published books illustrated with pictures of themselves shirtless dragging piles of gassed bodies from the chambers to cremation ovens.
But cyanide is absorbed through the skin and NOBODY could have survived a single day of such activity much less collecting reparations into their old age reminiscing about it years later.
Those Jews lied.
Anyone who ever saw the naked body of somebody who died from cyanide asphyxiation would NEVER forget the red skin colour. The bodies necessary reaction to being unable to process oxygen.
Not a single surviving fuckwitness ever mentioned it.
Also, no dark cherry red skin discolouration was visible in any supposed photographs of bodies of so-called victims of the holocaust.
The fact is that it can’t be explained it and only bigotry prevents you from recognizing the ONLY logical conclusion.
Not a single fuckwitness testimony or alleged photograph of bodies was of anyone who died from cyanide exposure.
So much for the “evidence” of a holocaust.
And so it goes with every bullshit story told by paid and coerced lying Jews. The facts prove otherwise.
Have you ever heard of the Bletchley park decrypts of the famous German enigma machines? It was credited for turning the tide of the war as allies knew what military actions the Germans were planning.
Only released in the 1980s those translated messages included prison camp information, deaths, transfers and requests for medicines to treat illnesses. The numbers of dead don’t support the holocaust narrative of which there was also no mention of.
Here are some actual enigma decrypts from Bletchley park in 1942 when deaths were at their highest.
Covering the period 3rd Aug. 1942 – 25th Sept. 1942
A further examination is made of Concentration Camp figures; deaths from typhus have reached a very high figure in AUSCHWITZ.
A suspected case of typhus is reported from AUSCHWITZ (223b/42). It is probable that on the 6th August Nachschubkdtr. Russland Mitte requests typhus vaccine for 50 men and spottenfever serum for 20
For the first time returns are given for deaths of prisoners (223b/14,24,43,50): the figures for August are: NIEDERHAGEN 21, AUSCHWITZ 6829 (or 6889) men, 1525 women;.
Firstly the number of dead for the month are nowhere near what is necessary to support the holocaust narrative.
Secondly, notable is the concern over typhus deaths and the requests for medical supplies to treat.
Thirdly, are you willing and eager to perform the feeble mental gymnastics required to believe, as the story goes, that Germans were communicating in code about prison camps while talking plainly about their military actions with their top secret enigma machines?
That would require you to really believe that Germany INTENTIONALLY lost the war to cover up the holocaust while ostensibly leaving lying witnesses alive in the prison camps to tell their stories as they retreated.
The contradiction refutes the story.
Let’s not forget another old timey favourite.The story of Babi Yar is a popular lesson in Jewish schools described as the single largest event of the holocaust.
The lesson is that between 30,000 and 100,000 Jews were taken to a ravine in Ukraine where they were killed.
The story is told by one Jewish survivor, Dina Pronicheva, an actress who testified that she was forced to strip naked and marched to the edge of the ravine. When the firing squad shot, she jumped into the ravine and played dead. After being covered by thousands of bodies and tons of earth she dug herself out, unscathed, when the coast was clear and escaped to tell the story.
She is apparently the only person in history to successfully perform a matrix bullet dodge at a firing squad. The soldier aiming point blank at her never noticed her escape. Never walked a few steps to the edge of the ravine to finish her off.
They were stripped naked to leave no evidence. Naked she had no tools to dig herself out from under 30,000 bodies and tons of dirt.
Only after the deed was done, the nazis realized that so many bullet ridden bodies were evidence. Oops, rookie move. So they brought more Jews and millions of cubic feet of firewood to dig them up, cremate them on gravestones and scatter their ashes in surrounding fields.
There has been no forensic investigation at the site. None of the bullets allegedly burned with the bodies have been recovered. Not one shred of physical evidence of this has ever been found.
There are military aerial photographs of the area at the time but they don’t show any evidence of the narrative, no people, no equipment, no firewood, no moved earth, no tracks of any kind.
Simply stating these facts is a crime in Ukraine where the Babi Yar narrative is taught in school.
The numbers of dead from German enigma decrypts does align with Red Cross numbers.
The Red Cross was founded in 1863 with the purpose of protecting the interests of victims of conflicts.
The Red Cross regularly visited all prison camps. It was their job to report the cause of all deaths. They recorded a grand total of 271,000 among all camps for the entire war. It is a matter of record.
The holocaust fairytale requires us to believe that they were so unaware of what might be happening that they completely missed 95% of the victims in prison camps.
AND that they had not so much as an inkling that a holocaust was going on right under their noses even though allied media propaganda was reporting it and it was their sole mission to identify it. Because there is no evidence of any Red Cross document suggesting they did.
Are you performing those feeble mental gymnastics?
Zyklon B is an off the shelf insecticide used for years before and during the war widespread and throughout Europe among other places in Prison camps to delouse clothing and bedding to save lives by preventing deadly typhus. The system employed heating to release cyanide gas, fans to circulate the gas and more to exhaust the chambers to make the de loused articles safe to handle.
Pictures of this equipment and the small de lousing buildings with clothing racks still exist in Prison camps. But no evidence of any gas delivery system has ever been found in the shower houses where the bullshit holocaust allegedly occurred. In fact, the story has changed to that they just threw the heat activated pellets onto the cold drainless floors in rooms full of people.
Such an inefficient method would have taken too long to kill the required number of Jews. The pellets couldn’t be spread evenly in rooms full of people. The cold drainless floors would have delayed the release of cyanide from the pellets that people would have swept away from themselves. Any dead would have released all their bodily fluids and their bodies covering the pellets. Vomit would have been added to the floor prior to entering such a room.
According to the testimony of the so called survivor, the timing entering the chambers immediately, the details shirtless survivor, piles of bodies with unvented cyanide gas pockets in every space between bodies, death from repeated exposure as per testimony would have been necessary, not just possible.
All Jews saying they did that necessarily lied.
According to Martin Gilbert in his book, Holocaust Journey, the gas chambers at Treblinka utilized carbon monoxide from diesel engines. At the Nuremberg trial of the Nazi war criminals, the American government charged that the Jews were murdered at Treblinka in “steam chambers,” not gas chambers.
Gasoline engine exhaust contains about ten times the carbon monoxide than diesel. Diesel exhaust is relatively safe. Even if the Diesel engines were running at their maximum of 500 ppm, death would take several hours. Far too long to support the narrative.
If Germans had used gasoline engines, death would have been in a few minutes. But in the holocaust narrative for treblinka diesel was used even though Germany had plenty of gasoline for their tanks. Nuremberg still recorded that they were “steam chambers”.
Somebody is lying. They weren’t both steam chambers and diesel gas chambers. Which stupid lie is more believable? Does it even matter to you?
The story of gassing Jews began as British propaganda to turn popular opinion against Germany. It was inspired to draw attention away from Jewish Bolshevik war crimes in Russia because that would work against allied propaganda. It also served global Jewish interests to create undeserved sympathy for Jews who had publicly organized boycotts of Germany to drive Germany to war.
There is a documented letter from the head of British propaganda to the head of the war office recommending that they cease the “gassing Jews“ propaganda because there was no evidence for it and if found out would work against their propaganda efforts.
Head of British Psychological Warfare Executive (Propaganda), Victor Cavendish-Bentick in a handwritten note, wrote on Aug 27th, 1943,
“We have had a good run for our money with this gas chamber story we have been putting about, but don’t we run the risk eventually we are going to be found out and when we are found out the collapse of that lie is going to bring the whole of our psychological warfare down with it? So isn’t it rather time now to let it drift off by itself and concentrate on other lines that we are running.”
Public Record Office Document F0371/34551 revealed by Stephen Mitford Goodson, ‘Inside the South African Reserve Bank’.
Jews had been publicly claiming holocausts of 6 million Jews in various nations no less than 166 times between 1900 and 1945.
No one read that.
I can attest that I certainly did not read it.
TLDR dude. It's 9 PM here and I have early morning fishing so no time for long jews are bad posts.
Don't tell him if you're swapping lies in the fishing boat or he'll send the SS to bust you for lying.
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You wouldn’t want irrefutable evidence to interfere with your bigotry.
Remember how you wanted people to be imprisoned for telling lies?
You’re looking at a 200 year sentence there.
Also, refuted.
And remember to use the spam flag on Misek's Sqrlsy-tier post, folks.
There is evidence. There are records of all the Zyklon-B shipped to the concentration camps which was a lot more than what the Allies found at the camps when the Allies captured the camps.
Surely the Nazis didn’t use all Zyklon-B on empty gas chambers. Germans are highly efficient people and the use of Zyklon-B on empty gas chambers would have gone totally against their character.
The other evidence is the censuses taken in Europe before and after WWII. They showed millions fewer Jews after the war far greater drop in number and percentage than their Christian counterparts.
Finally, there are records of all millions of dollars of art that belonged to Jews before WWII that was found in Nazi locations after WWII and some of it even in the Vatican. The Jews didn’t donate it to the Nazis and the Vatican since neither was a worthwhile cause.
While I wouldn't attribute volitional, normative traits to people because of fheir nationality or ethnicity--that would play right into the Nazi's hands--your points are excellent!
Also, of course, the camp administrators and instigators of "experiments" on concentration camp inmates were not efficient enough to destroy the records and bodies of the victim-inmates before the camps were discovered and liberated.
Jewish property was also forfeitured before the Jews were sent to the camps, and real property ownership and procedings are typically recorded in writing, so there's that. Same likewise with autos and property above a certain valuation.
The Nazi's horrors shriek to the world like a Wagnerian Fat Lady, but Herr Misek's so constipated and full of bile and shit, his eyes and ears are clogged beyond recognizing reality.
You’re referring to the “transfer agreement” I suppose.
Nothing you said proves that there was a holocaust during WW2.
You’re not even scratching the surface of the deep connection between Jews, communism and Nazism.
In the link there is an interview by the author of the video “ the final solution to Hitler” demonstrating that Judaism is the source of all Socialism, including National Socialism and communism.
Educate yourself. You won’t be able to refute it either.
https://www.targetfreedomusa.com/the-nazi-zionist-connection-shocking-hidden-history/
In a lot of places they know just how many were taken out of European cities and on what trains. Much of the activity in Western Europe is pretty damned well documented. So are the activities of the einsatzgruppen. This is a gaslighting technique people like Misek use to make it seem like “there’s no evidence”. There’s tons of fucking evidence of all kinds. They just want you to sum it up for them in a 100 words or less. And then will just say “na ah.” Or ignore it and pivot to something like “you haven’t disputed anything I said”.
I don’t like calling them “deniers” because actual holocaust revisionist scholars don’t actually deny huge swathes of the genocide. It comes down to if or which death camps existed and shaving down the numbers. Which means a few million were still killed the old fashioned way even if they were right,
And I don’t like calling them “revisionists” because there are valuable genuine revisionist historiographies that improve and expand history as a subject. And they’re not that.
So the new thing is to fiddle with the numbers. Misek bangs on about 6 million, but original scholarship on the subject of the extermination of europes Jews was upper end of 4 million and lower end of 5. The discrepancies like in Russia, where obviously the data was harder to come by.
So then he can say “see! They’re lying! It was only 4.9 million not 6!”.
My favorite part is they waste no breath denying the Nazis pulped thousands of elderly, and physically/mentally disabled wards of the state. The liquidation of the polish intelligencia, or hundreds of thousands of Russian prisoners of war worked and starved to death. But somehow a genocide of Jews is beyond the pale! Even though Hitler pretty much promised it on multiple occasions if the Jews caused a world war. Zionist Lies!!!
You deny but I don’t see you refuting anything I’ve said either.
Either you can’t because I’ve been telling the truth, or you’re just too stupid.
Which is it?
"This is a gaslighting technique people like Misek use to make it seem like “there’s no evidence”. "
I appreciate the gist of your comment. I want to point out that some areas of the holocaust are shrouded in darkness and there is indeed no or little evidence - questions impossible to prove or refute. Like the number of victims, as you point out. We'll never know the exact number and this opens the door to endless quibbling for holocaust deniers. Also the ways victims were killed - this gas, that gas, disease, hunger, gun fire, exhaustion, exposure, vivisection etc. Almost limitless room for quibbling. Holocaust deniers seem to inevitably glom onto these two areas of unknown to make their case.
The other point is that those that deny the genocide in Gaza today fall back on the same lines of denial. There's the impulse to disbelieve any number bruited about, in favor of something much smaller. We see this in the comment here daily. There's also the manner of Palestinians being killed. It's actually Hamas that's killing Palestinians, for example, or Israel's denial of food, fuel, water and medicine is justified because Hamas has plenty of these things but cruelly hoarding it.
How does it feel to be unable to refute anything that I say?
Did you watch the video by Jim Condit Jr. entitled “The Final Solution to Hitler” that is in the link I posted?
Can you actually refute anything he said?
The video is basically 2 hours of irrefutable evidence after evidence and a list of banned books and information about Hitlers connection to assist Jewish interests.
Even though you can’t refute any of it, can you even say that you were aware of this information?
With the Jewish holocaust going on in Gaza, this video is more relevant than ever.
"because I’ve been telling the truth, or you’re just too stupid.
Which is it?"
It's because I'm stupid. But even if I were smarter, we'd still be in the dark about questions of exact numbers or manner of deaths.
Question: Have you read Nobel Laureate Alexander Solzhenitsyn's book on the Jews of Russia? If so what did you think of it?
It sucks to be you.
The fact that you don’t know is irrelevant. There either was or wasn’t a holocaust. Not maybe.
I’ve provided irrefutable evidence that proves the claims of “survivors”, the only evidence that supports the holocaust narrative, were lies.
I’ve also provided irrefutable evidence of correctly applied logic and science that demonstrate the contradiction in the narrative both in part and as a whole.
The video evidence demonstrating Hitlers working hand in hand with Jews, employing thousands of them in his army including several generals and the fact that so many captive Jews, fish in a barrel, survived their experience, demonstrates the ridiculous premise of the “holocaust”. Kill all Jews, my ass!
Poor Solzhenitsyn, born just after Jewish Bolsheviks overthrew the monarchy in Russia to create the Soviet Union, the KGB and gulags.
Must be horrible to be under Jewish rule, ask any Gazan about the last 76 years.
Watch the Condit video. It can only help you.
Did you read Solzhenitsyn's book or not? There's no shame in admitting one way or t'other.
"Solzhenitsyn published this two-volume work on the history of Russian–Jewish relations in 2001 and 2002. The book stirred controversy, and many historians criticized it as unreliable in factual data and antisemitic.[2][3][4] The book was published in French and German in 2002–2003."
It still hasn't been officially translated into English, but it sounds like you might enjoy it. I'm curious about Stalin's use of Jewish lieutenants and activists in Ukraine and Kazakhstan in the 1930s and any relation to Palestine in the 1940s. ie to what extent if any were the same people involved.
If you can make a point to explain how Solzhenitsyn is relevant to either proving or disproving any holocaust, why you replied in this thread, I’ll consider it.
Bragging about reading other people’s work isn’t my thing.
"If you can explain how Solzhenitsyn is relevant to either proving or disproving any holocaust"
I haven't read the book. I was curious to know if you had read it, even in unofficial translation. If you feel uncomfortable answering, we can drop the subject.
That’s weird.
Yeh, let’s drop irrelevant nonsense.
Emphasis on original scholarship.
Jews also died from being forcible cut off from systems of support, by being exposed, dehydrated, starved, chased, worked, and medically neglected to death.
Jews forced into hiding no doubt died from all the dangers of glaciers, snow, ice, floods, mountains, caves, mines, pits, quarries, deserts, urban tunnels, sewers, garbage dumps, bogs, swamps, creeks, lakes, rivers,, and oceans.
Jews who passed as Gentiles may have been murdered in attempts at blackmail and extortion, or despite their best hiding efforts, got murdered by the Nazis anyway.
And archives, records, and census offices were destroyed in the War, so fully accurate records may be almost impossible to recreate.
All told, 6 Million might well be a low-ball figure for The Holocaust, and combined with Slavs, Roma, Poles, Russian civilians, Homosexuals, the elderly, the mentally and physically infirm, political dissenters, business leaders, labor leaders, and ‘asocials’ (autistic?), the Nazi murdered over 11 million in all, not counting deaths from the War!
For more, read the works of the Late, Great Professor Rudolph Rummel.
If Revisionism is valid, the best bet is to revise up!
Unipolar globohomo NAFO railing against new foreign agent registration legislation in Georgia (the country in the Caucasus and not the state where Reason’s resident pedo lives) through organized BLM-style protests. A few years ago, globohomo tried a color revolution there.
A color revolution was attempted in Belarus but renowned potato farmer Lukashenko put a stop to it.
More globohomo activities in Chechnya that required a long struggle to calibrate. Kadyrov doesn’t put up with that shit now. The murdered school kids’ blood is on the west’s hands.
NAFO committed they would never expand east beyond the DDR (East Germany) yet that has happened multiple times.
Minsk Accords openly violated while a puppet regime in Kiev engaged in a seven year campaign of genocide against the east leaning citizens in Donbas. At the time, McCain and Graham in bandera land fomenting Maidan.
Banderas targeting civilians. The daughter of a Russian political theorist assassinated. Remember Daria.
Petrodollar monopoly being threatened. SWIFT not needed where MIR exists. Biden and company pushing Russia China closer together. BRICS the cool, strong kids on the block.
Who blew up NordStream? Why?
Slovak PM survived an assassination attempt by a globalist that recently attended a rally with video showing him shouting Slava Ukraine.
Hungary, Turkey, and Slovakia the few adults in the room that have a voice in the west.
Calling Hank; need a translator
“We have always been at war with Eastasia.” – J.D. Tuccille
“2+2=4” – Chumby
American politics has been hollowed out and fractionated. Schools have been hollowed out and fractionated. Even kids, at the biological sexual level have been hollowed out and fractionated. To the point that an adult SCOTUS justice can’t honestly answer the question “What is a woman?” and when one person in Congress says “The West” it’s code for white supremacy and when the other says “The West” it’s clearly understood as the correct arc of history. The Libertarian Party is (was) broken (again) over going to war Ukraine and sexualizing children.
But ignore all of that because Putin and Xi had a meeting and, really, that’s what’s fracturing the world. Just like when Orange Hitler started WWIII.
I mean FFS were you not here for 2016 when The Russians hacked democracy? Clearly, it's Putin who is to blame for all the ills The West is experiencing.
The greatest trick The Devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't exist. The second greatest trick The Devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he's the good guy.
After he accomplished that, it was easy to stuff the mouths, asses, and ballot boxes in America.
Who are you arguing with? All I ask for was a translation for all of that gobbledygook.
And;
1. Is it clearer now?
2. Did I say you were wrong or even assert that you were making an argument to be disagreed with?
An earnest clarification is not conflict and someone can be exasperated at or motivated by the degree to which people consume Libertarian Interest Pieces without necessarily holding any particular animosity to anyone doing the consuming.
From where I sit, my answer is pretty clear that if I have a conflict, it's with Reason's "Pay no attention to the man (the administration, the platform, the ideology that we reluctantly but strategically supported) behind the curtain." MiniTrue-style reporting.
Forget it. They're rolling.
You do undrertand that one of those tricks is not like the other, right? And that they both presuppose that a Devil exists, right?
Wait! Putin is Keyser Söze?
Some code to the matrix provided. Sharing the perspective of the non-golden billions.
Stick with the puns, Chumby. It's what you do best.
"Multipolar" means crazier and more dangerous than mere "bi-polar."
If there are no goods and services that people want to buy with a BRICS Dollar, then BRICS is just a BRICS shithouse.
Shouldn't it be a tip-off that in all of the BRICS nations, Libertarian thought is either very marginalized or downright underground?
And if Turkey and Hungay are the "adults in the room," then I'm their runaway Huckberry Finn and I guess me, Tom Jim, and Becky will sail off in the sugar hog's head boat and go straight to Hell!
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“Multipolar” means crazier and more dangerous than mere “bi-polar.”
How? If all things are made equal (tech, population), how is a multipolar world more dangerous than the bipolar Cold War era, or the unipolar world of today?
If you knew anything about Georgia, one of the most (if not the most) devoutly Christian societies in the world, you would know that they don't need a foreign provoked color revolution to fiercely oppose the Russians, their arch nemesis (the the very country which tried to eliminate their nation and their religion).
War is hell. In this case, you need to read an article to realize you are at war, but hell nonetheless.
If that doesn't make you want to check that your pantry is stocked and that the water filter and generator are in working order, nothing will.
OK. I guess nothing will then.
Checking the pantry and storage is avday in theclife for me, though the biggest reasons to do that are for daily economic reasons, such as inflation spiking the price of food, fuel, medicine, rent, and so much else.
Correction: "A day in the life," much like correcting errors made on tiny keyboards with sometimes clunky fingers.
Haha. Good thing you’re the spelling cop in these here parts. No charges recommended due to “clunky fingers”.
Wait, aren’t you the autocorrect cop in this one horse town as well? Hmmmmm?
CLEARLY, electing Trump would have ruined the world.
You know, all that pesky peace and shit.
Good job, Reason editors, for your "reluctant" votes for Biden.
It’s a good thing we’ve got the border locked down tight. Imagine what Russia and China might do if it wasn’t.
I can believe that we are in a limited war with Russia/China.
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We have a choice: Surrender or Fight.
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Would we have been better off to surrender to the Nazis/Hitler?
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Or to Stalin? . . . Or to Mao?
There are other choices. Stopping fighting a war that is completely optional is not surrender. Surrender is acknowledgement of defeat and submission to the authority of the victor. Simply not fighting is definitely a choice available to the US and is absolutely not surrender.
The common denominator with ww2 nazis and Israeli genocide is compelling.
I think we are hitler this time.
And "Granite" is the composition of your head.
"We" (the United States) didn't have to take on either side in WWII. The US could have stayed out if it, should have stayed out of WWI as well. There were no real interests involved, we could have sat back selling stuff to both sides and let them beat each other to a standstill like they had done over and over for hundreds of years.
War doesn’t mean what the author seems to think it means. Definition creep is not a good trend. The “great powers” have never stopped testing their adversaries’ defenses since before the Roman Empire, or engaging in proxy wars in third world regions. War is what happens when military forces attack you. World war is what happens when multiple great powers are fighting with their military forces and a large portion of the world is involved. Never forget that Russia invaded Ukraine and Gaza invaded Israel with military force. Both sides engaging in “shadow” war, spying and assassinations is not war, and certainly not world war. If world war breaks out, there will be no doubt in anyone’s mind that it has happened.
"World war is what happens when multiple great powers are fighting with their military forces and a large portion of the world is involved."
That may not be the case in the 21st century. Hamas is a militia, not a great power. They focus on hostage taking and guerilla attacks - guys sneaking up to tanks and blowing them up with mines. My favorite, the Houthis of Yemen, have managed to stymie 'great powers' and blockade the Red Sea, without the benefit of an air force, or even, I shit you not, a navy. Yemen is not a great power. It is possibly the poorest nation in Asia, and as recently as the Trump years, tens of thousands starved to death in a Saudi American orchestrated famine.
"War is what happens when military forces attack you."
Again, in the 21st century, things are different. Russia and China are busy building infrastructure in Africa - roads, rail, nuclear power plants, sports stadiums etc. The Americans and Europeans are being politely asked to leave, and not a shot is fired.
Have you always been this full of shit, or did you have to cultivate it?
If you disagree with anything I've written, try to express your thoughts in an argument. I would appreciate that.
Your response had almost nothing to do with the original comment. He's says something about what makes a world war and great powers and you start going on about minor players engaging in regional conflicts.
"Your response had almost nothing to do with the original comment."
Yes, because the original comment had little to do with the situation we seeing today. World wars of the 20th century were indeed about great powers facing each other in military conflict. That's not happening today and I tried to make it clear in my comment. If you think that's full of shit, you still haven't made your case.
"Hamas is a militia, not a great power."
mtrueman - from America's point of view, then, the Hamas-Israeli War is a "proxy war" and, possibly, from Israel's point of view as well, with Hamas as a proxy for Iran. Israel has successfully defended itself several times since 1948 against actual official military attacks by surrounding nations. As far as Africa is concerned, Russia and China are welcome to it. If they can successfully develop Africa economically and socially and bring it out of chaos, I will applaud. But I predict that they will not succeed and that, if they do, that Africa will not remain as a satellite very long. Either way trying to define world political and economic chess as "war" fails on multiple counts and changes nothing about my opinions here.
"from America’s point of view, then, the Hamas-Israeli War is a “proxy war”
A proxy war with Hamas and Israel acting as proxies for Iran and America? I don't see that at all. It's Palestinian resistance to Israeli occupation. America and Iran have been trying hard to avoid war. Biden sent his CIA chief to Oman recently to discuss and approve how Iran could be retaliate against Israel's attack on the consulate in Damascus. They are in conflict, even in a world war, but work together to avoid the 'great powers fighting with their military forces' you define as a world war today and in the 20th century. I say things have changed.
Both Palestine and Israel have minds of their own and their own reasons for fighting. Writing them off as proxies for foreign powers is grossly oversimplifying and misunderstanding the nature of the conflict.
"The targets include "railway bridges, fuel depots and power plants," he adds."
Another target is university campuses. Young Americans clearly see the struggle of the Palestinians as a continuation of their own struggle against the hegemon. The Western media and their dupes will insist that the protests are manifestations of Western antisemitism, but listening to the words of the students shows otherwise. This world war features great power rivalry but is also about young Americans who feel dispossessed vs. older self satisfied Americans who fear change. That's a dimension that was completely absent in the world wars of the 20th century.
Young Jewish students are being accosted and attacked by other young students, as are young workers of all kinds stuck in traffic by protesters, Mr. Watermelon Rickshaw Nazi Boy!
"Young Jewish students are being accosted and attacked by other young students"
This is not your daddy's world war.
The point is that not all youths or older people are of the same mindset and this war is not between generations.
You may want to keep an eye out for victims of Pro-Hamas protesters to start packing heat. The war between Hamas and Israel isn't over yet, so it's bound to happen, Watermelon Rickshaw Nazi Boy!
"this war is not between generations."
I agree. In Palestine, it's a war of national liberation, or resistance against occupation. I'm sure you'll find participants of all ages, and a look at photos of Hamas leadership will confirm that older men predominate. (Much the same can be said for the Israeli side.)
The students protesting in campuses in the US though are a different matter. They are overwhelmingly young. They are students, after all. There are also grizzled leftists from the Vietnam era but their leaders and spokespersons are young. I urge you to pay more attention to press coverage and you'll see that I'm right.
"You may want to keep an eye out for victims of Pro-Hamas protesters"
Some of the student protestors may be pro-Hamas, but the students see common ground between themselves and the Palestinian people. They aren't motivated by antisemitism or a love of Hamas. Hamas is a conservative religious organization and I doubt there is common ground between them and most of the students, particularly the Jewish students and leftists. However, Hamas is sound in its anti colonial anti imperial stance. If there is any common ground between them and the students, it is here. Personally, I haven't forgiven Hamas for their teaming up with Al Qeda, Saudi, US and Israel against the Assad government in the Syrian civil war.
“In Palestine, it’s a war of national liberation, or resistance against occupation.”
mtrueman – no doubt the Palestinians have convinced themselves of that, but mass delusions do not constitute a logically defensible position. Most of Palestine was bought from the owners by Jews gradually over several decades. The Zionists fought a guerilla war against the British mandate, not against their Muslim or Christian neighbors. Even after the declaration of the Jewish state, the boundaries were heavily balkanized under the U.N. partition. From the very first day Muslims attacked Jewish “nationals” not the other way around. Only after they were attacked did the Jews respond in self-defense. There is a long history of “occupiers” keeping the territory they gained through military conquest and Israel is on pretty firm ground here historically since they were attacked first. The Palestinians who were “displaced” mostly displaced themselves hoping to reorganize and, eventually, conquer their “nation” back again someday. Since then the Palestinians have unilaterally violated all agreements and truces without warning and made it clear that they have no intention of peaceful coexistence with the Jewish state of Israel. There was, historically, no identifiable nation of Palestine for former residents to claim to have lost and if the Jewish State of Israel were to suddenly disappear tomorrow there would be no nation of Palestine to replace it. Any claims to the contrary are delusional or, worse, self-serving outright lies.
"no doubt the Palestinians have convinced themselves of that, but mass delusions do not constitute a logically defensible position."
It doesn't have to be a 'logically defensible position.' People will fight and give their lives for pride, honor, revenge, and a brighter future. Logic has nothing to do with it.
The rest of your comment is boiler plate Israeli propaganda, and not interesting or relevant. You might as well be telling us how God gave the land to Jews to do as they see fit. It only convinces the true believers like yourself.
Young Americans clearly see the struggle of the Palestinians as a continuation of their own struggle against the hegemon.
LOL, what hegemon? The one that was pandering to their sensibilities for the last 30-odd years?
They simply forgot they're the golem.
“….the struggle of the palestinians as a continuation of their own struggles…..”
Are the palestinians in dire need of fresh tampons as well? Or are the college kids running out of tall buildings to throw queers off of?
The horrors of campus life….
"Are the palestinians in dire need of fresh tampons as well? "
You seem confused. Welcome to WWIII.
"The one that was pandering to their sensibilities for the last 30-odd years?"
The same one that's pandering to your sensibilities today. The difference is you accept it. For example you really do believe it when some politician or TV talking head tells you student protestors are motivated by antisemitism.
WWIII. I believe you have the wrong picture at the top of the article, and it should instead be one of “ice cream’ Joe.
Since Obama the U.S. who brags about being a defender of democracy has totally ignored the will of the people in Ukraine, the Crimea and the Donbas region.
First the CIA led the coup in Ukraine in 2014 that overthrew a legitimately elected government to replace it with a anti-Russian U.S. puppet state. The U.S. has never recognized the will of the people in the Crimea and the Donbass who overwhelmingly voted to join the Russian Federation. The U.S. namely Democrat run U.S. governments claim those elections were fraudulent. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
The Democrats love wars. Jimmy Carter was the only Democratic President in the 130 years that didn’t start one or put more fuel on the fire to one. Not that the Republicans have been clean in this area but nowhere near as bad as the Democrats in D.C. and their Democrat pals on Wall Street and in the defense industry who have been all too happy to help in the Democrats in D.C. war efforts.
Where did you read that?
“Jimmy Carter was the only Democratic President in the 130 years that didn’t start one or put more fuel on the fire to one.”
Mike1776 – You don’t consider the military invasion of Iran to rescue the Tehran Embassy Hostages to be warfare? You might ask yourself how you would feel if Iran, for example, launched a military incursion into New York City to rescue Palestinian protestors in jail there.
Carter also gave the green light to the Kwangju massacre. How would you feel if Iran or any other foreign power gave the US army the go ahead to massacre thousands of unarmed New Yorkers in the streets?
WW III started before the ink was dry on the treaty officially ending WW II.
ACW 2.0 may occur before WW3 though we will see of globohomo NAFO members send conventional forces into country 404.
Anyone who trusts an “intelligence agency” had better reconsider that trust. A couple of years ago, Christopher Ray said that the greatest threat to America was “white supremacists”, then it was Latin mass Catholics. Now it’s Russo-Chinese saboteurs. Really?
What ever happened to WMD’s in Iraq? How about finding the source of COVID? Was Hunter Biden’s laptop part of a Russian disinformation campaign? Who created the Steele Dossier?
Should we go back to how the Gulf of Tonkin incident was reported? Were we endangered by the “missile gap”? Remember the Maine? And don’t forget the Lusitania! It would take weeks to list all the things that were not even close to what we were told.
When questioned about any of this we always get the same magical incantation…”Source and Methods”, in other words, trust us because we can’t trust you with this information.
Intelligence agencies: Put up or shut up. Do you really expect us to believe that a source or a method is more important than WW III and the possible end of the world? Either give us the truth, or go do something useful like investigate medicare fraudsters and crypto-currency scammers.
Ever since J. Edgar Hoover was able to successfully intimidate some of the most powerful officials in America for five decades there has been zero chance that the truth would ever have any significant impact on the Deep State. That ship sailed long ago ...
Although some limited government action is necessary, it might be the private sector that has the real power here – specifically “consumers” like you and me.
Instead of an isolationist trade policy – banning many foreign products, which will create worse inflation, the “Fair Trade” labeling system could be expanded to include human rights, safety and environmental standards.
“Fair Trade” places the power with you and me – consumers buying products. When you go to the grocery store you can purchase FT products that provide better working standards worldwide.
This benefits American workers as well. Instead of a race to the bottom, American workers competing with 3rd world labor or slave labor, this raises the world standard for American workers as well.
For example: companies like Costco selling “Fair Trade” coffee. Consumers choose “voluntary inflation” in some cases but it’s entirely voluntary (not mandated by any government agency).
Consumers are creating an incentive for foreign nations to raise standards instead of a race to the bottom.
Companies like Costco and General Electric also provide strong regulation of their foreign manufacturers (much more effective than government regulation). Costco and GE have actually create a middle class in places like China by raising standards for foreign workers.
China and India is about 3-4 times larger than the USA. It’s possible that in China alone, its middle class could exceed the USA. If Chinese consumers were buying American products, it could be great for the United States.
This also has military implications. Some military experts cite a major cause of the 9/11 attacks was poor worker standards in places like Saudi Arabia. The USA was scapegoated by the Saudi government as the problem. An expanded “Fair Trade” system could help Saudi Arabia treat their workers better – driven by consumer demand.
The logistical problem is how to implement and enforce such a system, but it would probably be far more appealing to foreign nations than isolationism and outright boycotts.