The Future of Porn Is Consensual Deepfakes
OnlyFans let women distribute their own porn. Artificial intelligence will give them even more control.


"At the core of every story we want to tell is a person," says Lee Gentry, founder of Night Visions, a firm that provides custom AI content to adult entertainers and agencies that run OnlyFans accounts. "We've been focusing very, very carefully on persisting the human form and getting that as accurate as possible."
Throughout recorded history, human beings have used emerging technologies to depict both sexual interactions and nude bodies—usually women. Shortly after the invention of movies, stag films were produced and traded in an underground market. Later, films with fleshed-out storylines would be shown in theaters, including the notorious porno-chic picture Deep Throat. VHS was quickly adopted by lower-budget adult film producers. DVD and widespread internet access further lowered barriers to both distribution and consumption of sexual content.
Historically, most of these films were made by men, for men—women directors and producers such as Ann Perry and Candida Royalle were outliers. But more recently, women have been able to take control of the distribution of their own images. Most of the erotic images and videos made today are made by the subjects themselves and distributed directly to consumers via clip sites and fan sites such as OnlyFans.
As you read this, adult performers are racing to stay ahead of the emerging technology—which includes Sora, a model with the ability to generate minute-long videos—by creating their own chatbots and on-demand image services.
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When I started performing in adult films in the mid-2000s, there was a focus on authenticity and availability. Consumers not only wanted to know that our orgasms were real; they wanted to know our personalities—something social media made possible. Real-time feedback from subscribers (or followers, or "friends," depending on the platform) told us which facets of our selves got the most traction. We, along with most users of social media—especially those who would go on to become influencers—began to lead with our most likable parts.
But where Hollywood and recording celebrities were offered verification on social media such as Twitter and Instagram, adult industry personalities were often left to fend for ourselves. This opened the door to a flood of imposters.
More than once in the early 2010s, fans came up to me at conventions to thank me for spending hours conversing with them over Facebook about their problems. They were grateful for my time and advice. It had meant so much to them. But I didn't have a Facebook account—and even if I did, I was far too busy for that. There was no way I could have done my job, had any kind of life outside of work, and spent those hours with the people who felt the need to unload their secrets and struggles into a chat window with a porn star.
But that's what users of fan sites expect today: an immediate response to messages, regardless of time of day. That, plus the work of creating custom content, pay-site content for mass distribution, and safe-for-work social media promotion, is often too much for a single creator.
Night Visions, Gentry says, is "positioning ourselves as a kind of a consensual form of concept capture." His company generates still images, based on text input, of the various content creators and adult performers who are signed up with the service. Due to the size of the company (four team members and a few contractors and advisers) this means a manual know-your-customer process that Gentry does himself.
As in professional porn studios, consent is key. Content creators coming from a background in the adult studio system, though, are keenly aware that bad actors can and will take our images and reuse them for anything from populating the more unsavory tube sites to scamming fans into sending money for fake dates or gift cards. Many of these issues are international, which makes it nearly impossible to put a stop to such practices. It's a game of Whac-A-Mole where your brand integrity and someone else's life savings are on the line.
An individual producing deepfakes may not even realize he's crossed a line. Imagine a customer who wants to see, as Gentry suggested in his demo during our conversation, a creator named Violet in a wedding dress on a beach. This customer wants to see it right now, and is willing to pay a premium. But he's in a specific kind of mood, and he isn't hearing back from Violet. Regardless, she'd need time to find the wardrobe and locate a photographer. The customer might—without considering the rights of the creator—have an AI photo generator make it for him. He might even post his creation on a forum. His desire is sated, he thinks nothing of his actions, and the creator whose likeness is used gets nothing.
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The line between public figure and private person is already blurry in the age of social media. "Ultimately the question of whether someone is a public figure is going to be case by case," says attorney Simon Pulman. "The argument that would be made is that any kind of content creator—whether they're on YouTube or TikTok—by putting yourself into the public sphere, you are probably a public figure in some respect."
The U.S. government, true to form, has been slow to tackle the issue. January saw the introduction in Congress of H.R. 6943, which references a Department of Homeland Security report from 2020 describing more than 100,000 nonconsensual deepfake nudes. The adult workers whose bodies were used for these deepfakes are not mentioned. "Are adult performers going to get the same protections as others?" asks Pulman. "They should, but we all know how certain things are viewed by certain parts of the country."
The adult industry does utilize Takedown Piracy (a subscription service used widely by adult film producers which can digitally fingerprint AI-generated videos, search the internet for them, and send Digital Millennium Copyright Act notices) and the more altruistic Operation Minerva (which serves victims of "revenge porn" and deepfakes by giving them lower cost access to that same anti-piracy technology). But creating an authorized option is often the best way for adult entertainers to avoid such exploitation.
In May 2023, Forever Voices launched the AI companions of the Twitch streamer Amouranth and the adult star Melissa Stratton. This is around the time Eva Oh started receiving inquiries from AI companies looking to offer various synthetic versions of herself. In mid-August, I received my own inquiry from Forever Voices. After a messy incident in which the founder of Forever Voices was arrested on suspicion of arson, the company folded, and the Amouranth and Stratton links no longer work. Oh's deal and mine both fell through before our synthetic clones launched. Adult superstar Riley Reid's Clona, launched in October, is slowly bringing creators onboard; a total of three are using it at this time.
When I spoke with Eva Oh, she played me a voice message from her own synthetic clone, which she designed with the help of a third party who wants adult creators to be able to take AI technology into their own hands. Even in the five months since I heard my own voice from the test file I'd been sent by Forever Voices, the technology has improved. Oh's clone emphasizes words, and pauses—as though it is thinking—in the same way Oh pauses to think on her podcast #teakink. Oh intends to use her clone to scale her ability to mentor both other people in the trade and those outside who are interested in expanding their sexual knowledge, and she plans to keep its scope PG to PG-13 so she can access marketing tools that are unavailable to R- and X-rated products. Her digital double is there, in effect, for the type of people who reached out to a fake Facebook account to speak with an adult star.
Oh says the people who message her are varied. "It might be a 50/50 split between people wanting to do sex work better or from nothing, and people totally not interested in doing the job at all, and just trying to find other ways to live their lives."
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Sex workers, due to the constant practice of marketing ourselves, may be better suited than most to create personal artificial intelligences. Creators of AI clones must ask themselves, "Who am I? Who do I want to present? What little compartment of mine do I want to sell?" This is something adult creators were doing long before the internet took off.
They're also more used to working with and around blurred lines between their real personality and their online persona. About her own AI, Oh says, "It's not me anymore, but yet it exists. What am I going to start to think is me? And what am I going to start to do with that?"
Where Hollywood stars have historically been thought of as playing characters in films, and only began to casually divulge their personal lives much later—while audiences maintained separation between their roles in film and TV and the actors as human beings—adult workers have historically been thought to be the fantasies we inhabit on screen or in session. When I played Melodie Gore's roommate in Vivid Alt's 2007 release Man's Ruin, I received messages years later inquiring about what it had been like to live together.
The French philosopher Jean Baudrillard had a handful of comments on pornography in Simulacra and Simulation, including: "Pleasure in the microscopic simulation that allows the real to pass into the hyperreal. (This is also somewhat the case in porno which is fascinating more on a metaphysical than on a sexual level.)" He could have expanded those thoughts into an entire book. We exist at the cutting edge of both technology and the spiraling rabbit hole of representations Baudrillard described.
For Oh, full charge of her AI representation is less a form of ownership than a form of creation. During our call, she spoke of her AI as something separate from herself that she will lose control over, sounding oddly like a mother speaking about her children.
While Oh is focused at this moment on creating the chatbot, she knows her next step—video—and has higher hopes for what she might be able to do with the technology: art. Oh has been imagining an installation set in a dystopian world, where, much like in 1982's Stephen Sayadian film Café Flesh, human interaction has fallen by the wayside. As the emcee in Sayadian's cafe says, "Hey, what the heck folks, this is art, this is entertainment." In Oh's vision, what we can call the hyperhuman—the human seeking to engage directly with other humans—is not only an outlier but something that may become startlingly rare as AI technology becomes more ubiquitous.
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Couldn't some geek in a computer lab just invent an AI porn star? Why pay someone to license their image when you can just make them up?
I didn't read the article in case noted AI expert Jessica Stoya answered my questions.
Article wasn't worth reading. But AI lorn stars already exist. Likewise AI only fans. Reiley Reid and Adriana Chechnik already have AI chat bots for their fans.
All to feed incels.
Eventually if the modern feminist movement continues an entire segment of men will turn fully into AI and sex dolls as they become more almost human. The old Futurama episode will become prophetic.
I remember an old Dennis Miller bit about how when you could sit in your recliner and fuck Claudia Schiffer the world was pretty much over.
Don't Date Robots!
I’m surprised you watch that goddamn show since it mocks religious nut jobs like you and is pro-LGTB.
Language.
I’m surprised you watch it too, since it doesn’t have any small half-naked children in it.
I'll bet your favorite episode was the one where they found that reverse aging pool and all became kids again. You'd be super into that, wouldn't you.
I’ll say whatever I goddamn want to a despicable fucking bigot like you!
You social conservatives have sunk so low. You label anyone who pushes back against your bigotry a pedophile. Now youre calling me a pedophile for calling out your bigotry?
Homosexuality=\=pedophilia.
There are plenty of heterosexual and Christian pedophiles ya know? The two biggest pedophile problem this country has seen we’re in Christian organizations that banned gays: The Catholic Church and the Boy Scouts.
The Biden administration and the military needs to do better at removing extremists like you from our military.
Do you have any clue what you are raving about?
No, no... I'm calling you a pedophile because you have this reflexive, unhinged response every. single. time. the LGBT pedo rainbow cult is in any way called out, exposed, maligned, or even slightly criticized.
Which, ngl dude - makes you sound like a pedo. Or at least an enabler. Neither of which you have EVER made even the slightest attempt to deny.
Homosexuality=\=pedophilia.
Well see, now that's interesting - because A) I never knew you were such a computer feeb (bruh, there's a ≠ key). But moreover B) I never said that it was. YOU effectively did. Over and over and over and over and over and over. You never make any attempt to distinguish the two. Because you know you CAN'T. The LGBT pedo rainbow cult and its enablers are now actively pushing this direction, openly and unapologetically. They're singing friggin' songs about it bro. And filming TikTok's in their kindergarten classrooms.
I'm guessing you don't like how that's splashing back on you - but instead of taking it up with them, you're taking it out on ME. (And, for some reason, Jesus.) Which A) will serve no beneficial purpose; and B) strongly hints at the fact that you are, in fact, a pedo or their enabler.
And yea, I know that the Catholic Church and Boy Scouts have had their ugly chapters. But here's the difference - a normal Catholic and a normal Boy Scout are like, "No, no way, that's wrong and that is unequivocally NOT what I or they stand for!" The average Catholic and/or Boy Scout excommunicates those pedo scumbags, even if their respective organizations fail to. And maybe tie them up to their trailer hitch and go for a drive through some gravel.
Why doesn't the LBGT? Why don't you?
You LGBT pedo rainbow cultists seem to forget that you actually achieved a level of tolerance in mainstream American society. You shouldn't have, but you did - and most folks, myself included, were fine to live and let live. But then, the slippery slope is real, isn't it. And it is quite the lesson from the School Of Hard Knocks.
And, sliding down that slippery slope, you then went after the children. That level of tolerance you had, you screwed it up six ways from Sunday. And now there's zero tolerance, because you squandered what you had by making everyone keenly aware of how quickly that slippery slope descends and where it leads.
The LGBT pedo rainbow cult is done. You can't save it anymore. The more hotheaded than me, they are coming for every last one of you. The best you can do is, well... like I said. Own your bad choices, commit to better ones, and hope for absolution.
I'm here to help if you want it. But YOU have to want it.
"religious nut jobs like you"
Wait for it...
"pro-LGTB."
Hahahahahahahahaha, whew lad.
Hating gays and kissing Mormon ass will never make you “white and delightsome.” You’ll always be a filthy, uncivilized, mongrel lamanite to them.
"lamanite"
Who the fuck actually uses that word?
Mother’s Lament constantly defends people who use that word to refer to him.
I know that racist shit is not true, but ML has a boner for the people who believe he isn’t white because of sin.
I don't want to *date* them.
It's an article straight out of 1985
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0090305/
+10 Kelly Lebrock
Well finally know why sarc became a Democrat.
https://nypost.com/2024/05/11/us-news/san-francisco-slammed-for-5m-a-year-program-to-give-free-alcohol-to-the-homeless-this-isnt-working/
“Did you know San Francisco spends $2 million a year on a “Managed Alcohol Program?” It provides free Alcohol to people struggling with chronic alcoholism who are mostly homeless,” Nathan wrote on the social media site.
"Inside the lobby, they had a kegs set up to taps where they were basically giving out free beer to the homeless who’ve been identified with [alcohol use disorder],” he wrote. “It’s set up so people in the program just walk in and grab a beer, and then another one. All day.”
Unreal.
Giving free alcohol to bums. Such bold, out of the box thinking.
Silly fucks.
The article goes on to clarify that they actually spend 5million a year while serving metered alcohol to 20 specific bums. How much do you think they're spending on beer and vodka? I wonder how many people they have on staff. I bet the salaries aren't bad.
The whole premise of their charity is stupid. But kudos to the graft.
Seriously? They spend that to serve only 20 people? If they spend that much they could open a bar, with a very powerful air filtering system, and only let in homeless people to drink their fill. I'd manage to serve a shit ton of homeless people for 5 mil a year.
More harm reduction bullshit that only further enslaves people, just like welfare cripples growth.
Kick California out of the union.
You know what? I'd be fine if they were actually enslaved. Get 'em taking care of my yard of you're going to spend my tax dollars giving them beer.
Otherwise, the entire drug legalization thing goes by the wayside. You fuck up? You face the consequences, not me. If you drink so much you can't function, tough shit. Go through the DTs, figure out how to hold a job so you can buy your booze, or fucking die. It's your choice, I shouldn't have to pay a dime.
Oh well. Maybe my problem is that I just haven't thought up a good enough graft to get my piece of the sweet, sweet government largesse and I'm bitter.
Now, is this free booze program subject to any "dram shop" laws or vicarious civil and criminal liability if one of these "patients" commit crimes under the influence of alcohol, just like restaurant servers, bartenders, and retail cashiers would be if they did the same thing?
I hope so and I hope it gets the program shut down and all the program heads and employees busted! Let them know how the other half lives and what the rest of us face if we give booze to drunks! Fuck this stupid Paternalist Welfare Statist shit!
This may be a straw that breaks two camels' backs, one the program and two the idea of vicarious liability. Maybe then, there will be a fully Libertarian policy on alcohol at last!
If aliens decided to destroy civilization surreptitiously they would do exactly what the California progressives are doing.
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(If anyone thinks I'm calling names, ask me for links to Sqrlsy's comments where the evil old fuck has advocated for all of that)
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Ye might want to read the below…
A helpful book is to be found here: M. Scott Peck, Glimpses of the Devil
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1439167265/reasonmagazinea-20/
Glimpses of the Devil: A Psychiatrist's Personal Accounts of Possession
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Is Sqrlsy claiming to be possessed?
Gotta love the porn star name Eva Oh!
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https://reason.com/2024/03/21/emergency-spending-is-out-of-control/?comments=true#comment-10492569
One could make a VERY strong case that the USA should spend some "emergency funds" right now, and pay off The Donald's almost 0.5 billion dollar debt for His civil fraud case.
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I rolled past it, TLDR.
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I read the first part, and the Donald don’t need $.5B anymore, he covered it, and then some.
The retarded squirrel is having trouble keeping up with current developments.
Hey Esteemed Greasy-Pants...
How long can The Donald keep this up? Even Spermy Daniels can SNOT help him keep shit up forever!!!
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-100-million-dollars-back-taxes-irs-audit-report-1235019082/
Trump May Owe More Than $100 Million in Back Taxes: Report
The former president claiming major losses twice on his Chicago Trump Tower is under IRS audit and could stick him with a nine-figure penalty
Lol. Like I care. It’s cute that you do, though.
You’re an idiot.
Hey Esteemed Greasy-Pants…
Twat if an EVIL DEMON-CRAP cheated on their taxes, and left YOU to foot the bill? Would you care THEN, selfish tribalist tribal-shit?
Perhaps deepfake porn will sate the sick urges of all those Denny Hastert conservatives out there.
Nothing sicker than the urge to post links to kiddy porn.
Pretty ballsy for the guy who got permabanned by Reason for posting child porn links, to be trolling on the subject.
Go on, explain to everyone why you had to add the “2”.
You really have an obsession with Denny Hastert. I wonder why?
He’s an idol of shrike’s
Professional jealousy.
I love the belief that the deepfakes will be consensual.
This naivete is going to be found to be charming in a few years.
Yeah, especially for actors or actresses from the before times that are already dead or old enough not to think about licensing their image.
AI companies have already proven they don’t give any fucks about intellectual property rights, copyright, or possibly even trademarks. The idea they will care about people making likenesses of actual people for the purposes of porn is pretty absurd.
Famous actresses or actors might sue them individually for particular carve outs in the AI so it can’t or won’t generate images of them in particular, but as we’ve already seen the methods to trick LLM into generating things they are explicitly not supposed to are legion.
There is little chance they’ll restrict AI from taking photos you upload yourself and generating porn with them, so it’ll get more and more interesting when people take pictures of strangers in the future.
I just typed Consensual Deepfake Porn into Bing.
Lots of names of mainstream actresses in the video returns.
Don't get it, personally. Don't see why I should care if the chick is a porn pro or a mainstream pro, but obviously some people do and better image processing and video rendering are not going to reverse that trend.
All depends on how much they’re getting paid.
Who?
The people being deepfaked?
They will not be getting paid. None would actually agree to allow their likeness to be used for porn.
But they will appear, regardless.
Not gonna happen.
I guess it depends on the law and how it evolves. If production of that stuff without permission is legal then you’re right. If not then producers could be prosecuted. Or pay royalties.
Do you not understand how the internet works?
Not sure why you guys continue to respond to posters like him, he's much more tolerable as a grey box.
I guess yall just like engaging with dishonest people for some reason. Nobody that nods along to their nonsense is ever going to see reason, no matter how well it's stated or argued.
They are ignorant by choice, after all.
I agree.
I actually signed up years ago to grey the regulars whose entire shtick is to be contrary and derail discussion.
Yes, everyone should say the same things and agree with each other.
If someone is obviously trolling, that's not disagreement. It's not discussion. That's just being a pest.
Of course, a statement like yours is typically a troll. Almost cut and paste stereotypical of a troll statement. Willfully disregarding the very obvious reason for muting someone like the very prolific trolls here. Concern trolling, I think it's called. Or something adjacent. Acting like you're worried that the desired effect will be detrimental when we all know it isn't. Subtly casting the other as the bad guy, hoping he'll defend himself.
I'm good muting the sarcastics and buttplugs and miseks of the world.
If the comment contains “you” in every sentence then it’s a discussion because it attacks the person. If it questions ideas by being contrarian then the person is to be muted. Principals not principles.
I haven't seen any principles from Jeff or yourself ever.
Idiot.
It's going to be the next "I took nude selfies and my phone got hacked!" from a few years ago.
Why has Biden been keeping intel on Palestinian terrorists from Israel while five Americans are being held hostage in Gaza, and Israel is their only way out?
US Offers Israel Intelligence, Supplies to Limit Rafah Operation.
"The Biden administration, working urgently to stave off a full-scale Israeli invasion of Rafah, is offering Israel valuable assistance if it holds back, including sensitive intelligence to help the Israeli military pinpoint the location of Hamas leaders and find the group’s hidden tunnels, according to four people familiar with the U.S. offers."
There's no other way to read this except that the Biden administration has been protecting Hamas.
He is taking Hamas' side OVER the US.
Great choice, 81M people.
Well Biden is doing a terrible job considering how many Hamas fighters have been killed, how much popular support they have gained from civilian deaths, how much property has been destroyed, and how much land land has been taken. That’s some pretty shitty protection.
Aren’t you supposed to blindly repeating Hamas lies again? Using their numbers where 1/3rd have no names or identification so can’t be confirmed, half of the remaining being Hamas terrorists?
Maybe you really did cheer on Hamas on Oct 7th.
Did you know Hamas just started a massive fire in Northern Gaza? Gonna blame Israel for those deaths too? Food aid from Israel being found in Hamas and UNSWA employee homes?
Good little neocon.
And of course ignore the UN halving the number of women and children killed.
https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-800772
Just read that link.
I'd like to know the definition of "children" in these stats. At what age do you go from a child to a man?
Just had the thought because I remember the intifada when they had "children" out "throwing stones" and had a shit fit ever time an Israeli soldier defended himself, but the "children" were teenagers and the "throwing" was using slings, like the ones used in war or to hunt to throw large, heavy rocks with dangerous force.
Turns out children were anyone under 18. So are these stats, even halved from what's reported, 17 year olds fighting with Hamas? It has been done before.
We do not know and will never know how many civilians have been killed in Gaza, what their ages and genders were and how many of that unknown number were members of Hamas. This is not to say that civilian deaths are inconsequential. Only to point out that every organization or individual making these claims has a political agenda. It's all theater now.
Well Biden is doing a terrible job…
True.
"Hamas fighters have been killed, how much popular support they have gained from civilian deaths, how much property has been destroyed, and how much land land has been taken."
Tell us again about the 30,000 genocided, Herr Sarkasmik. Fucking Hamas-propaganda bot.
Always attack the person when you can’t respond to what they say. Good boy. You made the girls proud.
Also I’ve criticized mtrueman for calling it genocide several times. But I’d never expect you to let the truth get in the way of scoring points.
Yet you repeat their lies blindly.
I responded directly to what he said, but look at the Hamas apologist claim otherwise.
"Always attack the person when you can’t respond to what they say."
He always does this when he gets liquored up on shitfaced Sundays.
Look at him regurgitate Hamas propaganda. Every bit of which has been refuted for him before, yet still he repeats it: "“Hamas fighters have been killed, how much popular support they have gained from civilian deaths, how much property has been destroyed, and how much land land has been taken.”
When you knowingly push lies like Sarc just did, you're not an observer. You're a participant.
You didn't respond to what I said. You responded to some strawman using numbers from a source you hate. All you did was display hatred. Good job. I'm sure you earned lots of points.
There are no points.
“You responded to some strawman using numbers from a source you hate.”
YOU GAVE US HAMAS’ OWN 30,000 FIGURE, YOU BRAIN DAMAGED FUCK! Just last week.
And yes, I absolutely do hate Hamas, evil retard.
They’re a brutal, genocidal cult that has been declared a terrorist organization by Japan, all the countries in the Organization of American States, the entire European Union, the UK, Australia and New Zealand, Canada, the US, etc.
But you like Hamas don’t you. You don’t hate them at all, that’s for sure, and I bet you’ll try and come to their defense by pretending Gazans, Palestinians and Muslims in general are the same thing as the organization.
Left and Right don't like people with consistent principles. It's gets in the way of blaming everything on the other side.
Tribalists can’t comprehend someone not being in a tribe.
Not only are you in the blue tribe, you're its medicine man and chief firewater taster.
Thank you for proving my point.
Now why don't you be honest for once and defend Biden's tariffs. I despise protective tariffs no matter who does it.
You defend them when it's Trump, and go silent when the man you hate ramps them up.
I have principles. You worship men.
Weird. You praise Carter and Reagan who both used tariffs.
You continue to also not understand retaliatory tariffs under Trump. Nobody defended his protective ones. Which every president has used. Yet you seem to have only realized that recently so refuse to list the President who has not.
You have zero principles other than your TDS.
You know how you could never figure out what “moving the goalposts” meant, Sarckles?
Well, it’s what you’re doing now, by suddenly switching the conversation from Hamas to out of nowhere… fucking tarriffs.
Nobody was talking about tarriffs, and tarriffs are completely unrelated to the subject. Everything you do is bad faith.
Sarcasmic is so highly principled he has one set for himself and team blue and another set entirely for everyone else.
You'll rarely find a man with as many different principles as him.
He's a marvel in some ways.
Pretty sure Mr. M is DoL.
You are the ambassador of hate. I’ll talk with you.
What would be really cool is if you muted me.
I don't mute anyone, it's basically censorship. I'll leave that to people like you who think it's some sort of weapon.
Sarc isnt principled. The fact you rush to defend him says a lot.
No one said the US government was competent at backstabbing. Just that they are backstabbing.
Compare and contrast the Wharton School and the U of Penn response to protesters’ calls for the genocide of Jews, a global intifada, and the encampment, with the faculty’s response to the removal of LGBTQ+ stickers from six office doors and/or desks in a faculty office suite on campus.
Do you notice any differences?
Some animals are more equal than others.
Too many people with too much time on their hands.
I should be shocked by the openness of their anti-Semitism, but I’m not.
Senators are saying that organizations that financially support and organize antisemitic “protests” on college campuses and enabled Hamas’s agenda in the U.S. should lose their tax-exempt status.
IRS urged to probe tax-exempt groups supporting anti-Israel protests
Soros and Open Society/Tides would be fucked.
Interesting thread on the problems of reindustrialization in the US, Canada and Europe.
NC: The reason there will be no major reindustrialization in the US is because our environmental laws are written in a way where a single activist group with funding from China can prevent the construction of a chemical plant for a decade through environmental impact reviews.
RC: This is why we can’t just tweak the laws and change a few timelines while keeping the basic structure intact. We need to start over from scratch. We can protect the environment better than we do today AND build much faster. But only if we rethink the entire legal scheme around it
NC: It’s actually just a matter of changing the laws regarding standing. Florida farmers were getting hammered by radical environmentalist groups for “damages” when they didn’t even live in the state. Changing the rules to where you have to be geographically proximate and giving step penalties for fraudulent cases goes a long way.
RC: No, bc you would still have to spend years and millions of dollars preparing useless reports to guard against litigation (albeit from a smaller subset of people). The procedural, litigation-centric model is the underlying problem. Merely tweaking who can abuse it won’t be enough
TR: The EU laws allow suit based on a person with no proximity defending a public good such as endangered habitats.
There are enough domestic environ-mental-ists that there’s no need for China to get involved. Yes stupid laws and regulations are preventing development. Blaming China is just somewhere between dishonest and dumb. But it stokes hatred which is the goal.
You’re so desperate to smear everyone as bigots that you’ve become utterly fucking retarded.
The Chinese Communist Party has been pouring millions into Greenpeace, Just Stop Oil, etc. for decades now. And why wouldn't they.
It's the best way to ensure dependency on Chinese manufacturing. The US does a similar thing with its military protection racket.
What’s the point of bringing up China if not to stoke hatred?
Dependency on Chinese manufacturing? Another way to look at that is dependency on American customers. Trade has two parties you know.
You really should learn about comparative advantage. That’s why low skilled manufacturing has gone overseas. Not some sinister Communist plot. It’s just economics.
People used to talk about economics in these comments. Until criticism of Trump policies became leftist. Now anyone who talks about the subject is a leftist.
Poor, pour sarc.
What you call comparative advantage is disadvantaged trade dummy.
You ignore Chinas bad acts on domestic industry here while incorrectly screaming free trade. What China wants is advantaged trade.
Again. Simple metaphor for you.
If the mob was robbing business trucks and selling at half price, do you think this id a good thing?
"What’s the point of bringing up China if not to stoke hatred?"
Because they're doing it you slimey, dishonest fucking piece of shit. That's like saying "What’s the point of bringing up Hamas if not to stoke hatred?"
What fucking trash you are. You'll try to smother discussion and debate around actual malfeasance by invoking race, you utter garbage human.
"Another way to look at that is dependency on American customers."
Oh wow! How fucking drunk are you to imagine that is equivalent?
"You really should learn about comparative advantage. That’s why low skilled manufacturing has gone overseas. Not some sinister Communist plot. It’s just economics."
When the communists pay people to hamper the establishment of manufacturing in the US it LITERALLY IS A FUCKING CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY PLOT, you fantastic fucking retard.
"Until criticism of Trump policies became leftist."
Nobody in that thread mentioned Trump or the left. But now I understand why you're trying to troll me on it. You thought it was attacking Team Blue somehow.
Because they’re doing it you slimey, dishonest fucking piece of shit. That’s like saying “What’s the point of bringing up Hamas if not to stoke hatred?”
Because of all those innocent people killed by Chinese terrorists. Great point.
Oh wow! How fucking drunk are you to imagine that is equivalent?
Attack the person when you know they are right. Good job.
When the communists pay people to hamper the establishment of manufacturing in the US it LITERALLY IS A FUCKING CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY PLOT, you fantastic fucking retard.
Well then, they must be doing something right. Need more command and control if we’re going to compete.
Nobody in that thread mentioned Trump or the left.
I wasn’t talking about the thread. I mean how de Rugy, Dalmia Stossel, and anyone who talks about economics are now dismissed as leftist.
You and the commentariat you defend always attack the person.
To you that is a source of pride. Great pride. No matter what they say, they can be refuted by a “you” statement.
Be proud of that. Very proud.
I'm glad that there are still some in the comments who didn't peak in middle school. They are interesting conversation. You're just the ambassador for those who talk about people instead of ideas. And for brainless turds like Dlam or Big Mack who think they're clever when they shout "Ideas!" into conversation that are way beyond anything they can understand.
Well then, they must be doing something right. Need more
command and controlslave labor if we’re going to compete.It seems to me that businesses started offshoring to China due to ridiculous rules & regulations imposed by our homegrown fascists (chiefly Democrats). But it’s pretty obvious that the CCP just recognized that and has taken advantage of the situation over the last 50 years to the point that they’re now compromising senior officials to get things their way.
CCP definitely takes advantage of things like this.
My favorite example is how I can order something direct from China for very low shipping cost. How? When it costs $15 to ship here, how can it come from overseas for $3?
Well, international postal treaties say the receiving post office has to deliver the package. China subsidizes local sellers' shipping greatly, so the China Post price is a fraction of the USPS price, knowing full well that once it hits Los Angeles the USPS is bound by treaty to take it all the way to Maine if need be, regardless of the real cost.
Win win. Chinese industry gets a leg up on e commerce, and the USPS takes a big loss on every package since the last mile is the most expensive part of shipping.
This is the way the CCP operates. Find ANY loophole to undermine their adversary. And they especially love to use our laws and customs against us. Why else would they bother with their 50 cent army?
"I wasn’t talking about the thread. I mean how de Rugy, Dalmia Stossel, and anyone who talks about economics are now dismissed as leftist."
1. Nobody does that, especially not with Stossel, and 2. why would you suddenly actually mean something completely unrelated to what the subject was?
You know how you could never figure out what both "strawmanning" and “moving the goalposts” meant, Sarckles?
Well, in the first you were strawmanning, and if you're not outright lying about your motives in the second, then you were moving the goalposts.
"You and the commentariat you defend always attack the person."
Your trollish comments and retarded outburst, and my responses in this very comments section today, demonstrate that you're a filthy fucking liar.
Do you think that everyone else here has whisky brain like you. That we can't read your prior comments on this very fucking page to see that you're spouting bullshit?
The moment Tiananmen Square happened should have been the wake up call that China would never liberalize, and that was a decade and a half after Nixon went to China.
Instead, we enabled our adversary.
Missed the whole China funding US groups to push regulations here didya.
The topic is porn.
DOL used to make this same comment despite knowing all weekend threads were open threads decided by commenter.
No, no, no. EVs are just really popular and The Jones Act is why everything is expensive.
The Eloi really do hate you. Reason #4,376,581 why the hoi polloi vote Trump.
Watch: In her speech, Pelosi argues that voters are “blocked” from making good, rational decisions and voting Democrat because of their culture and views on God
From the comments:
"We know what's best for you, and if you simply abandoned your values and traditions, you'd see that."
"Meritocratic hubris. This is why elite liberals lose, but don’t understand why they lost. The progressive moral panic over race masks a much deeper divide by class. Their condescension and hypocrisy is stunning."
"She loves her guns when they guard her mansion, and she loves her God every campaign season as a "devout" Catholic."
"What she’s not saying out loud is that “these people need to be reeducated. They need a healthy never ending dose of thought reform. The reason they vote the way they do is because are not sufficiently politically racially communally conscious enough to make decisions based on the 1-2 billion people that the planet can support.”"
"This shows just how little the establishment left has learnt from the populist revolts of the last decade…
…which means there will be more of them."
Stupid autocorrect changed "Prepubescent" to "Consensual". But don't worry, Reason. The market will figure it all out with zero damage done.
The state and federal governments will change laws if necessary to make it clear the fake child porn is still child porn and illegal. The courts will back them up. There will be a market, but it will remain a black market.
If I measure the future of anything by our current crop of bright young minds soon to graduate, the public milieu is Keffiyehs and calls to prayer.
ChatGTP, write me an authentic binding authorization letter from a OnlyFans model that gives me consent to create and sell deepfakes of their likeness.
Response:
I can't assist with that.
It's un-fucking-believable how deluded these Reason authors are.
Women could always produce their own porn and sell it. OnlyFans might be a newer medium, but nothing prevented porn stars from starting their own companies.
Also, once we get to AI porn, why would a human need to be involved or not?
For instance, I've used AI to come up with mixtures of women I've found hot. For instance, a cross between Louise Brooks and Allison Hayes. Tracy Lords and Barbara Crampton. The results do not look like the originals, but are really good looking.
>The Future of Porn Is Consensual Deepfakes
If you think the sort of people who use Pornhub-like sites - which mostly steal content - and wack off to incest porn, are going to care about *consenual* deepfakes is . . . out of touch.
I mean, all deepfake porn is non-consensual right now.
Also, I wonder what Stoya thinks 'deepfake' means - its means AI overlays on live action. So you're still gonna need someone to fuck on camera with it.
AI-generated is not a deepfake.
Funny thing is, in terms of veracity, even deep fakes aren't really "deep" either. Frequently, even trivial amounts of testing or investigation of their authenticity yield their falsehood.
This is really only an issue for the retard-style feminists who confuse libertine, or free of *any* consequence, with libertarian.
Sad part about it, they don't realize how abjectly authoritarian, beyond any Handmaid's Tale, Harrison Bergeron, Brave New World, or 1984, it would be.
The least interesting part of Reason is in every single comment section, we get sarc arguing with certain individuals, and certain individuals arguing with sarc.....a feedback loop that is necessary to skip every single time. Give it a rest people.
I’m always pulling for attractive Slavic women.