The Genocide Question
Plus: College protest follow-up, AI and powerlifting, tools for evading internet censorship, and more...

The Hague's decision: The International Court of Justice (ICJ) in the Hague is expected to issue a decision today on whether military arms suppliers bear culpability for how the weapons are used.
Nicaragua has asked the United Nations (U.N.) highest court to issue an emergency order that would prevent Germany from giving weapons to Israel. "Appearing before the judges in early April, Nicaragua, a longstanding supporter of the Palestinian cause, told the court that Germany was not only failing in its obligations to help avoid genocide against Palestinians in Gaza, but was also facilitating crimes with its military assistance," reports The New York Times. "Germany is a staunch ally of Israel and second only to the United States in providing it with arms."
Both Germany and Nicaragua are signatories to the 1948 Genocide Convention, in which the U.N. defines genocide as "a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part." Israel has repeatedly defended itself, saying that it works hard to preserve civilian life in Gaza, despite its military campaign, and that what it is doing to Palestinians does not constitute a genocide.
"In January, the I.C.J. issued separate interim orders requested by South Africa, specifying that Israel must prevent its forces in Gaza from taking actions that are banned under the Genocide Convention, must prevent and punish public statements that constitute incitements to genocide, and must allow more access to humanitarian aid," reports the Times.
It will take the U.N. several years to issue a full ruling, but note the extraordinary gall of Nicaragua in particular taking issue with Israel's actions. Nicaragua is no paragon of virtue; Daniel Ortega's regime has crushed dissent and brutally suppressed protests while stripping Nicaraguans of press freedoms and cracking down on the opposition party. The regime has forced many Catholics and evangelicals into exile. "Indigenous people in northeast Nicaragua say armed settlers are pushing them off their land," reports The Associated Press; Ortega supports the settlers and shields them from consequences. Rule of law is nonexistent.
It's not clear that the United Nations ruling will do much of anything, or that the common refrain of "genocide" has sufficient evidence behind it. That's not stopping people from repeating it over and over again, though.
College students won't stop: Students at Columbia University have now taken over Hamilton Hall and started barricading it. They claim they've renamed it Hind's Hall, which honors Hind Rajab, a 6-year-old girl who was killed by the Israeli military. Some students have been suspended by administrators, and the campus has been closed to nonstudents and nonessential personnel, but the protests are still ongoing.
"Pro-Palestinian protesters at the Chapel Hill campus of the University of North Carolina (UNC) are being detained Tuesday morning after the university sent them a demand to vacate their encampment," reports CNN. Also: "Portland State University (PSU) officials have asked the city's police department to help remove dozens of protesters who they said had broken into and occupied a university library on Monday evening."
Six protesters were arrested at Tulane University yesterday, as well as nine at Gainesville's University of Florida campus. "Officers arrested over 90 people, including 54 students, at a protest encampment on the lawn at Virginia Tech's Graduate Life Center," reports CNN. More than 100 protesters were arrested Monday at the University of Texas at Austin. Police officers arrested 17 people at the University of Utah, as well. The Washington Post reports that police at Arizona State University removed the hijabs of at least four Muslims who were arrested during a protest this weekend. And a standoff is happening at Yale this morning, as this piece goes live.
What's really going on here? "One very annoying thing about the way all this is covered is the way one angry group is treating these students as deranged Jew-hating zealots, while another is treating them as exemplars of pure altruistic virtue," writes Jesse Singal over at his Substack. "They're neither! They're college students! A lot of them have no idea exactly what they're asking for (something about the…S&P 500?), and are much more driven by outrage that tens of thousands of Palestinians have been killed. It's fine to both laud them for the strength of their convictions while also acknowledging that convictions are a very easy thing for a (most likely privileged) 20-year-old to have and to signal at low cost."
I think this is broadly correct. Similarly, expect lots of takes in the coming days about how we might be heading for violence on campus, akin to the Kent State killing on May 4, 1970. But I don't believe this is quite right—detailed here—in part because these are mighty privileged kids with a lot to lose (and, most likely, summer internships to show up for). Their tactics are not similar to what transpired at Kent State, or even during the George Floyd Summer protests in 2020.
Scenes from New York: Lots of theorizing circulating about why so many of the student-encampment tents look the same…
I was looking at photos of the anti-Israel camp at Columbia University and noticed most tents were uniform in appearance and they were color in green- the Muslim brotherhood of Hamas terrorists flag. Which pro Hamas single organization bought all these tents & funded it? pic.twitter.com/wMvJLf6BoY
— Shoula Romano-Horing???????????????????????? (@RomanoHoring) April 23, 2024
But couldn't it just be the case that…they all bought the cheapest green tents they could find from Amazon and Walmart?
A *real* organic movement would weave its own tents from locally sourced materials. Only the puppets of a vast global conspiracy would acquire comparably priced goods from a retail chain. https://t.co/oPIYfhxBbS
— Jesse Walker (@notjessewalker) April 30, 2024
QUICK HITS
- Mahsa Amini redux in Iran? The government claims 16-year-old Nika Shakarami killed herself. But she vanished from an anti-government (Mahsa-related) protest and the circumstances of her death sure look suspicious. Now, a document that appears to be written by officials from the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), and was leaked to the BBC, says that Nika was sexually assaulted and killed by the IRGC.
- "AI ruins education the way pulleys ruin powerlifting," writes Byrne Hobart at The Diff. "Education policy tends to focus less on the needs of 99th-percentile students than the rest, in part from the healthy egalitarian view that they will do just fine without extra instruction. But that's a narrow and present-focused view: raising the ceiling on potential academic achievement today raises the floor on standards of living for the next generation, since so much economic growth comes from scaling and refining a handful of big inventions, and those big inventions are in short supply. But AI is also great for the 50th-percentile student."
- How Binance's downfall differs from FTX's.
- A must-read from Jason Velazquez: "FireChat was a tool for revolution. Then it disappeared."
- A new research paper in Criminology and Public Policy asks whether progressive prosecutors lead to an increase in crime rates: "Results show that the inauguration of progressive prosecutors led to statistically higher index property (∼7%) and total crime rates (driven by rising property crimes), and these effects were strongest since 2013—a period with an increasing number of progressive prosecutors. However, violent crime rates generally were not higher after a progressive prosecutor assumed control."
- "Parents are turning out to be unexpected but forceful opponents of schools' attempts to keep kids off their smartphones," reports The Wall Street Journal.
- This is probably correct, and I too am guilty of it:
I don't usually do media criticism on this platform, but the "coverage of the war in Gaza : coverage of campus protests about the war" ratio at the moment is not what I think it should be.
— Justin Vogt (@Justin_Vogt) April 29, 2024
- Please enjoy the most awkward Kamala Harris moment, set to the Twin Peaks theme.
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Please enjoy the most awkward Kamala Harris moment, set to the Twin Peaks theme.
It's David Lynch's world, we're just living in it.
Are you sure Kamala intended the Laura Palmer Twin Peaks, and not the Hooters knock-off Twin Peaks?
Both Israel and the US are signatories to the UN definition of genocide which will soon be used to issue arrest warrants for Netanyahu and his complicit ministers.
If the US or any other signatory nation support a regime with warrants for genocide they are in direct violation of their signatory obligations.
I don't see the connection. Twin Peaks had "damn good pie."
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The unbiased AP out with an article about the use of lawfare against conservatives who question elections and what the purpose of that lawfare is for.
“People are going to have to think twice about doing things to undermine the election,” said David Becker, founder of the Center for Election Innovation & Research and coauthor of “The Big Truth,” about the danger of 2020 election deniers. “The deterrent effect is real.”
https://apnews.com/article/fake-electors-trump-2020-arizona-indictments-059a719514b0c6cb56f7d7339e87d0d5
Notice their deterrent effect is for those who question the state, not those who make illegal election changes or commit election crimes like ballot harvesting in states that disallow it. Elias has 53 active election lawsuits, this isn't to deter him or other democrats. Only the conservatives.
You know full well he was on the other side for every election Demoncrats protested.
Marc Elias is one of the very few people I wish to keel over and die. He’s probably the most evil asshole working for the Democrats currently.
Are you saying you have a list?
Unlike Sarc, it’s a short one.
I don't have a list, but my deque is almost certainly longer than his.
“People are going to have to think twice about doing things to undermine the election,” said David Becker, founder of the Center for Election Innovation & Research and coauthor of “The Big Truth,” about the danger of 2020 election deniers. “The deterrent effect is real.”
I'd like to hear White Mike's excuse for this, but Jeff's and Buttplug's will do.
So how about it boys. What do you think?
...the "coverage of the war in Gaza : coverage of campus protests about the war" ratio at the moment is not what I think it should be.
Most Americans live well outside either of these alien worlds.
Well, there is no way to cover the response to terrorists murdering, raping, pillaging, and kidnapping ("the war")without making Hamas look bad.
"Hold my beer"
- the ghost of Walter Duranty
One side is mad that Israel is bombing tents. When the protesting party can't look at a picture in context, it's hard to have a conversation.
https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1784971452858478874
Is that a tent near that missile launcher setup that Hamas put right in the middle of a bunch of tents? Where Israel very carefully hit only the yard with the military equipment and tried their best to avoid the encampments?
Hamas using human shields is something we should all be appalled about.
Yeah 2,000 lb bombs are smart weapons to target bad guys and leave the surrounding civilians safe right? Even the US doesn't use 2K bombs during the "war" on ISIS. Perhaps the AIPAC lobby should be viewed as all the other foreign lobbies pushing America for treasure, weapons and blood. Maybe there isn't a "good guy" on either side here.
As for the media, for decades they and their friends in academia have demonized "white" (really Irish-Americans, Italian-Americans Greek-Americans and so on) cheering on kids protesting/and threating ethnic students and yet the media was silent. And when you look at so many of the folks in the media pushing the woke game..well they are the same screaming about the kids protesting now. Funny isn't it...maybe old Trotsky won after all but just in America.
>this is terrorism
Oh, the irony.
Tents? Bombs? Everybody knows that bombs are for cover, napalm is for concealment.
The big headline for today in Israel is that one guy in the West Bank tried to ram his vehicle into Israeli forces, failed, then ran away on foot.
Meanwhile, there's actual violence happening at dozens of universities across the country and students are literally barricading buildings. Plus there's the fact that one of these is a current issue for our own country and the other is a spectacle across the world that has no impact on our lives.
I do not fault the ratios at all.
See my reply to Fist here. In the end, the ratio can end up 1:1.
Well, except for two little facts:
One, two Oceans don't keep us safe, and really never did.
In the history of Islam, Muslim human-stealers and pirates reached as far from The Middle East as Iceland in the 1100s. Muslim Barbary Pirates raided Iceland in 1627 and took 400-800 Icelanders into slavery.
Had the Barbary Pirates sailed a few hundred miles Southwest, they could easily have imposed their own flavor of Manifest Destiny on the Indigenous tribes and European settlers of our Continent.
Two, as London Rabbi Jonathan Sacks observed, the hatred of Jews never ends with the Jews. What we seen in Israel on October 7th and are now seeing in U.S. Academia and on streets of major U.S. Cities could easily happen anywhere.
The eternal vigilance that Liberty requires means both situational awareness and willingness at any moment to Avoid, Deny, and Defend.
https://youtu.be/j0It68YxLQQ?si=dnCvLh1h4J2XeTsf
I normally give you shit, but good post!
Endowed by the Creator!
Ha
So no credit for Wikipedia and YouTube?
Well thanks. I do strive to be fair and prioritize my efforts for the biggest threats of the moment.
What happened to not be going abroad to find monsters to destroy? America welcomes all people but leave your old world grudges behind. We don't care that Trotsky lost to Stalin and sorry about the Czar. But this isn't our business. Learn to get along..a one state solution of a multicultural society is the only path forward for both sides. Who owned what 2000 years ago is irrelevant. Those that are obsessed with that sound like crazy Eastern Europeans with their ethno nationalism...oh I get it now...ok thanks..
Jim Biden was signing his emails "Brother of Joe" in correspondence with foreign governments. But surely no involvement of Joe in foreign dealings.
https://nypost.com/2024/04/29/us-news/james-biden-listed-his-job-as-brother-of-joe-in-presentation-to-qataris-emails/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
Ah, I see you've finally figured out how influence peddling works.
(And it does not work if no one thinks you have influence to peddle.)
What about the dimwit defense? Joe: "I had no idea this was going on."
Joe: I dont remember loaning out millions of dollars i never had, but these are just loan repayments from family. Must be the dementia. But only have dementia when it is about my family business.
Four more years!
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Fresh off the heels of forcing transgenderism acceptance into schools the Biden administration turns to business. Will say anyone who doesn't use pronouns or allows men in women's restroom is guilty of harassment.
https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/feds-warn-employers-can-be-punished-failing-use-preferred-transgender
Federal liberal judge rules health plans must pay for cosmetic surgeries of transgender people. Surely won't raise your rates.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/2983284/state-health-plans-must-cover-gender-transition-surgeries-federal-appeals-court-rules/
"My wife identifies as a woman with small tits and needs at least C cups."
Sounds funny but if insurance is required to pay for dudes to get implants how can they refuse biological women who just want bigger tits?
Same reason we’re supposed to accept men in women’s locker rooms.
Fake boobs won’t undermine our society. (Although I’m personally not a fan)
is anyone really?
Well, maybe for special events.
Eh, one of the sexiest girls I ever knew was maybe an A cup.
Down in Florida for spring break in college, went to a Hooters. None of them had big boobs, but it was the sexiest collection of waitresses I’ve ever seen.
If a list was compiled entitled "Things straight guys never say", I'm pretty sure that the list would include "Oh, geez, you need to put your top back on! Those are just too small for me!"
Sounds funny but if insurance is required to pay for dudes to get implants how can they refuse biological women who just want bigger tits?
I defy you to show me a woman who wants implants who isn't also a TERF, definitively or de facto.
Will not hold my breath on articles here criticizing the compelled speech aspects, or the federal government daring to make "guidelines" (guidelines with legal force in lawsuits) about bathroom use.
Can we hope that all these full-retard progressive actions indicate their end times?
Problem is end times for who?
Let's start with Biden.
Then we would have to start with Jackie.
Raccoon dogs got her.
Racoon Dogs all died with Joe's son in Iraq.
Thought he died in the Big War.
The cannibals got him!
How dare you! The proper term is human flesh-attracted persons.
Parents are turning out to be unexpected but forceful opponents of schools' attempts to keep kids off their smartphones...
Is this why I can't keep my subordinates at work off of theirs? Parents ruin everything.
Now, to hit submit.
Like drugs use, don't try to deal with the behavior, deal with performance.
If they can spend 7 hours at work on their cell phone and still get the job done, why should you care?
If they spend zero time on the phone and still don't meet expectations, fire them. (HR be damned; if you are showing lack of performance, the bullshit of identity is irrelevant)
It's the same with hours. I don't give a shit if you leave half hour early as long as you got your work done. Flex scheduling is the best. If you get your work done, you can put 40 hours on your timesheet. I'm fine with that. Other dept managers go nuclear when someone is 10 mins late. I don't care.
Even better: switch all job pay to a piecework model.
At an above-managerial level this is actually the goal of Agile project management philosophy. It's not about writing individual paychecks based on output but rating teams and businesses by output and then stacking headcount appropriately. The downside they'll never tell you is that when all work gets reduced to a number, people find ways to game the numbers rather than game the work. You just go from people sitting idly at their desks for however long it takes them to fill out a 40-hour week to people sitting idly at their desk after they finished 9001 "story points" in ten minutes. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
Then you hired 7 too many people and they should be canned
What if they don't do dick but identify as productive employees?
Biden working with Congress to make sure the Ukraine money spigot goes another 10 years.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/biden-looks-prevent-future-president-ending-ukraine-war-10-year-agreement
Er, don't you mean a "Ukraine arms spigot"?
Does the flow of money actually need to go through Kiev on the way to Raytheon?
Did he really go with the "the money ends up domestically" defense? Have had him grayed for years.
Wonder if I should give him how the money funds Ukrainian salaries, pensions, and graft. Probably won't make him more informed. Meh.
It was even dumber than that.
Edit: and yeah, I wouldn’t bother.
Well, yes, if you insist on implying that the US is firehosing money to Ukraine's corrupt government actors.
On the other hand, if your beef is that the MICC is the real beneficiary (and controller) of US largess, you probably would have just said that.
Simpleton.
No, it’s “Ukraine money laundering spigot”.
Joe Biden confirms he wants to implement the G20 wealth tax. Doesn't know shit about economics.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-embraces-g20-proposed-2-wealth-tax-battle-racial-wealth-inequality
So? Economics, with numbers and math, is racist and sexist. And also prevents social justice. Worst of all, following economic principles would cost Democrats votes.
What is the endgame to the Obama/Biden self-neutering of America? Are they getting enough money from foreign interests to make it worthwhile? Most of these stupid fucking policies only hurt us while the China and Russia laugh at us.
Infinite and permanent Davos-Aspen gatherings for the 0.001%, and pastoral feudalism (rural and urban) for the rest of us.
However, violent crime rates generally were not higher after a progressive prosecutor assumed control.
It soon will get higher as people start getting charged with fighting back against muggers and thieves.
"Refund the Police!"
As long as they only prosecute MAGAs and other kulaks.
Certainly not in Oakland
https://theintercept.com/2024/04/02/pamela-price-alameda-county-da-recall/
You're assuming the reporting is correlated with reality.
It will take the U.N. several years to issue a full ruling, but note the extraordinary gall of Nicaragua in particular taking issue with Israel's actions. Nicaragua is no paragon of virtue; Daniel Ortega's regime has crushed dissent and brutally suppressed protests while stripping Nicaraguans of press freedoms and cracking down on the opposition party.
A) Joe's admin is arresting opponents and journalists here.
B) these authoritarian regimes see the global entities like the UN as tools. They will not respect their orders bit will freely use them against those who do. Iran being on various boards is hilarious.
Yet there is a constant demand to respect these globalist institutions.
Maybe it’s come time for both the U.N. and the I.C.J. to disappear. They don’t seem to serve any real useful purpose.
They serve as elitist control under the guise of good intentions and unity. The Joe Biden of institutions.
Old people with bad memories who mean well?
More like failing entities with dementia and incontinence who are figureheads manipulated by evil puppet masters.
They are a funding spigot for the climate cult.
Defund the Climate Cult!
Just cap their CO2 output.
College students won't stop: Students at Columbia University have now taken over Hamilton Hall and started barricading it. They claim they've renamed it Hind's Hall, which honors Hind Rajab, a 6-year-old girl who was killed by the Israeli military. Some students have been suspended by administrators, and the campus has been closed to nonstudents and nonessential personnel, but the protests are still ongoing.
There was a bit more than just taking it over. They've destroyed the building. Broken windows. Spray painted every wall. And last night a hint of kidnapping as apparently maintenance workers were inside and weren't being let out.
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I was looking at photos of the anti-Israel camp at Columbia University and noticed most tents were uniform in appearance and they were color in green- the Muslim brotherhood of Hamas terrorists flag. Which pro Hamas single organization bought all these tents & funded it?
Who indeed....
https://nypost.com/2024/04/26/us-news/george-soros-maoist-fund-columbias-anti-israel-tent-city/
Dude, Open Society is right in the name. How can you oppose an open society?
It's not the color, it's the style. Those tents are basic Coleman Sundomes or the Ozark Trail knockoffs, which are cheap (about $100 or less) and just happen to be colored green.
I am looking forward to when the Occupy Wall Street-style " safety tents" start cropping up due to these bints getting the rape they deserve.
Never mind--those appear to be Night Cat-style tents, which cost about $50 each and were likely mass ordered by the Soros-funded organization.
You think these silly fuckers could assemble a tent by themselves?
Of course this bullshit is organized
To be fair, those are basic bitch designs and even a child could figure them out. But yeah, these are absolutely being coordinated and organized on a mostly nation-wide scale. DeSantis seems to be the only one who's actually told these people, "Fuck around and find out," and they aren't pressing him right now because he clearly gives zero fucks what they think.
Since the groups they are supporting had no problem raping, mutilating (while raping), torturing (while raping) and then killing women and children, yeah they probably deserve a little rape themselves.
What's interesting about Soros, besides the fact that he's funding these "protests," is that he actually got his operations banned in Israel in the late 2010s due to his fuckery. He was particularly pissed that he didn't get to flood Israel with migrants like his operations have done in western countries.
And the center-right wonders why American conservatives have respect for Orban.
Remember that time Orban kicked Soros out of Hungary, then out of the blue Reason ran a bunch of anti-Orban articles? That was quite the coincidence.
Are you implying that David Koch and the Scaife foundation are in cahoots with George Soros? Are you well? Have you been hit in the head?
I mean it isnt a secret that a decade ago CATO started meeting with Soros and collaborating. If you haven't noticed the leftward bend there since 2010 can't help you. And Reason is best buds with CATO.
https://www.georgesoros.com/2011/04/28/why_i_agree_with_some_of_friedrich_hayek/
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2011/04/george-soros-at-cato-it-s-all-about-hayek.html
But couldn't it just be the case that…they all bought the cheapest green tents they could find from Amazon and Walmart?
Is ENB doing the links again?
Funny how this kind of activity gets labeled as "protest" by the writers here and they vigorously demand that any consequences be off the table for "speech" but J6 was an insurrection to topple "our democracy" by walking through a velvet roped path and totally deserving of harsh penalties.
Do you think both should be punished the same way?
So should all of these campus protesters be held for years without bail before being tried in kangaroo courts pushing for penalties well above anything reasonable? Is that what you’re saying?
No, they have good intentions unlike trump cultists - sarc
Yes, your side made the rules now you should have to live by them. You fucked around, now it's time for you to find out.
Do you think both should be punished the same way?
Are they being punished the same way?
Do you always answer for SJIN?
Do you not like your dialectic being called out?
No. No it does not like that.
What makes you think your response bothers me?
Who cares, answer the fucking question? Stop dissembling.
Wonder if a campus cop can shoot one in the face, for trespassing, because he feared for his life. Preferably a black cop shooting a white female, so the narrative works.
Liz really under sold what actually happened last not at Columbia.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/04/held-me-hostage-anti-israel-anti-american-mob-break-into-columbias-hamilton-hall/
Videos in link.
It's not an issue unless it's against the ruling class.
Yeah, they're all begging to have charges dropped, not get kicked out of school, and not have any disciplinary notes on their transcripts. Because "I have a future, you know!"
"Not anymore, motherfucker."
https://apnews.com/article/student-protest-gaza-war-arrest-amnesty-ae235703d6a9b99114078fca13a530a0
College protesters want ‘amnesty.’ At stake: Tuition, legal charges, grades and graduation
Maryam Alwan figured the worst was over after New York City police in riot gear arrested her and other protesters on the Columbia University campus, loaded them onto buses and held them in custody for hours.
But the next evening, the college junior received an email from the university. Alwan and other students were being suspended after their arrests at the “ Gaza Solidarity Encampment,” a tactic colleges across the country have deployed to calm growing campus protests against the Israel-Hamas war.
The students’ plight has become a central part of protests, with students and a growing number of faculty demanding their amnesty. At issue is whether universities and law enforcement will clear the charges and withhold other consequences, or whether the suspensions and legal records will follow students into their adult lives.
Terms of the suspensions vary from campus to campus. At Columbia and its affiliated Barnard College for women, Alwan and dozens more were arrested April 18 and promptly barred from campus and classes, unable to attend in-person or virtually, and banned from dining halls.
Questions about their academic futures remain. Will they be allowed to take final exams? What about financial aid? Graduation? Columbia says outcomes will be decided at disciplinary hearings, but Alwan says she has not been given a date.
“This feels very dystopian,” said Alwan, a comparative literature and society major.
For international students facing suspension, there is the added fear of losing their visas, said Radhika Sainath, an attorney with Palestine Legal, which helped a group of Columbia students file a federal civil rights complaint against the school Thursday. It accuses Columbia of not doing enough to address discrimination against Palestinian students.
“The level of punishment is not even just draconian, it feels like over-the-top callousness,” Sainath said.
"No. You are expelled. You are evicted. You are deported. Welcome to reality. You owe us $500,000 US."
If they were just engaging in “Free Speech,” I’d be in favor. They’re vandalizing property, threatening students who disagree with them, and if those students refuse to leave, they’re being violently removed and roughed up.
Yes, I do want police to respond to actual criminal activity, regardless if the activity is done in the name of “free speech.” Free speech doesn’t give you the right to destroy something someone you don’t own, nor to cause actual harm to people who disagree with you.
Sorry if that’s too strong a stance for the wobbly libertarians who are afraid they’ll be labeled anti-free speech for pointing out that physical violence is distinct from speech.
If they were just engaging in “Free Speech,” I’d be in favor. They’re vandalizing property, threatening students who disagree with them, and if those students refuse to leave, they’re being violently removed and roughed up.
#BlueShitholeProblems
Are we ignoring the old saying that one man's insurrection is another man's free speech?
Part of me ultimately doesn't give much of a shit about all this, because it's really two factions of leftists slapfighting each other in their deep blue cesspits. Note that the biggest protests are taking place in indigo blue cities, where they know the Mayor and DA won't do shit to actually put a stop to it. Yeah, Abbott's been pushing back some in Texas, but Austin is a typical commie haven and his enforcement will only go so far.
At the same time, this just further cements my belief that a national divorce is needed. Why should people in red areas put up with living in the same country as these insane-o marxist maniacs? Who gives a fuck that the center-right is trying this "we live in a pluralistic society!" bullshit? There's no need to be mollified against people who hate you and demand that you follow their political ideology, or they'll literally steal and burn your shit down.
Red areas can become the state equivalent of Passport Bros just by breaking off and letting these feminized, neurotic cesspits marinate in their own mental illness. Right before freezing any of the Soros assets and kicking their presence out of the country, of course.
At the same time, this just further cements my belief that a national divorce is needed.
Funny, I was thinking "Marxist Pogroms" were what was needed.
Part of me ultimately doesn’t give much of a shit about all this, because it’s really two factions of leftists slapfighting each other in their deep blue cesspits.
You're assuming every person harassed by the pro-Hamas mob is also a Leftist. Not true or good. And again, this stuff spill over beyond campuses to the larger surrounding community.
I wonder how much food they brought in. I say barricade them back. Disallow deliveries.
So nice of Liz and both Jesse's to come out as pro-Hamas Leftists. Sorry twats but Hamas and Palestine started this and hide behind civilians to manipulate bleeding hearts like you so all those civilian deaths you bleat on about are firmly on Hanas and their policy of war crimes. That you listen to and spread their message just tells me who you are and it's not pretty. Same for all the useful idiots on college campuses and their pro-terrorist loyalties.
Where's the pro-Hamas part? Liz has been pretty firmly on the pro-Israel side as far as I have seen.
It's the coverage of these protests, there are no pro Palestine protests, just anti-jew protests and pro Hamas protests. Not a single protester is looking for the removal of Hamas and their terror tactics against both Israel and Palestinians, they just want to give Hamas time to regroup for another Oct 7. That she gives these violent criminals the benefit of the doubt and ignores their actions if they go against her "peaceful protest" narrative is enough for me.
Meh...I guess social signally ain't just for SJWs anymore.
Sure, find the protester out for a better lives for Palestinians, not just Hamas rule and indoctrination. Find one protest that is free speech and not violent intimidation of other students.
It's not clear that the United Nations ruling will do much of anything, or that the common refrain of "genocide" has sufficient evidence behind it. That's not stopping people from repeating it over and over again, though.
Liz displays willingness to voice skepticism about the claims of genocide, but stops short of any argument that it is a false representation of what is actually occurring. Failing to counter the lie relieves the people who keep repeating it of the burden of proof, even as she acknowledges the Marxist playbook tactic of repeating the lie until it becomes the truth.
This is not the time in history to be a fence sitter. What Hamas did on 10/7 was an atrocity. The State of Israel has a responsibility to its citizens to continue to prosecute the war against Hamas until the threat has been eliminated or the enemy issues an unconditional surrender and offers the leaders up for trial.
Gaza is suffering because they harbor terrorists in their midst. If they would police themselves, the actions of the IDF would not be necessary. A two-state solution is untenable until Palestinians demonstrate they are capable of self-governance.
Outside of morning links she's a bit more forceful in taking the Israel side.
Do we blame KMW then?
When should we not?
They aren’t terrorists, they are freedom fighters!
/misek
Can I go with "It's not genocide... but it should be"?
(Just to be super clear, I mean that I'm completely pro-"genocide" of the Gazan People.)
Remember everyone, your only choices are backing Israel or hating Jews. That's it. There is no in between. So if you think 30,000 civilians killed is a disproportional response to the Hamas attack then you support terrorist and hate Jews. You're no better than a Nazi. You want to repeat the Holocaust. You're Hitler.
So you better back Israel 100%.
Look at sarc just blindly repeat the lefts narrative.
Sure Hamas admitted they didn’t have names of one third of those deaths, and likely cooking the numbers.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/16/could-be-devastating-proof-hamas-faking-death-figures/
Or that Hamas includes its own soldiers in those numbers.
Sarc has a narrative. He is sticking to it like a good Democrat.
How do you count the soldiers that moonight as MRI techs when they catch some cars on fire in the hospital parking lot?
Anyone who dies, even if they die a dozen times, is a civilian.
Poor sarc.
"30,000 civilians killed is a disproportional response to the Hamas attack"
Even if Hamas's numbers weren't bullshit (as every thinking person knows they are), disproportional response is a good thing; it's the only way to actually win a war.
Wait, is the drunk actually saying that war should be fought with one hand behind the back?
Dumbass if he is.
Well that is the DNC narrative. Joe and his administration are even actively trying to unseat Netanyahu.
Only for one side.
He’s a dumbass regardless, but yes he is.
He's not even saying that, because he refuses to answer what proportional means when I've asked him multiple times. He keeps saying he can't see good guys when one side goes out of its way to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible and the other side purposely attacks civilians in a manner that not even the SS death squads did in Eastern Europe. Hint if one side is worse than the SS Einsatzgruppenn it shouldn't be hard to tell who the good guys are, it's whoever their fighting against.
I am so fucking tired of the bullshit argument about proportionate response. There is no such fucking thing as proportionate in war. You know what you get when you fight a war proportionally? A lost war. You come down hard and fast on your enemy and give them no respite, that's how you win wars. Fuck this proportionate fucking talking point.
“No dumb bastard ever won a war by going out and dying for his country. He won it by making some other dumb bastard die for his country.”
God George was a gem.
And today, he probably wouldn't even get thru West point.
He'd be labeled a right wing extremist.
With mean tweets.
God, can you imagine if Patton had had Twitter? I can see the ulcer that would have given Ike.
Maybe a Twitter war between Patton and Monty? Fuck, it would have been a good thing Ike was already bald.
@Monty: I'm in Palermo, where are you?
@Monty: I see that operation Market Garden worked out well, good thing you stole my gas for it.
@Monty: I just took a piss in the Rhine, whatcha doing?
You know I had always known Bradley was not the sainted military genius he is made out to be but recently saw this deep dive into Devers, that it was a coin toss that he was not the supreme commander instead of Ike and Ike held it over his head and was a prick to him for the rest of the war to the point it probably extended the war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbWdOn25tBQ
Originally the plan was for Ike to spearhead Torch, Husky and Avalanche then return to the states and take over for Marshall and Marshall would go to England for Overlord, but they felt Ike had to good a working relationship with thr Brits so that plan was scrapped. I can see Ike and Devers having problems. And Ike could be prickly at times.
I think in the end, Churchill’s confidence in Ike was a major factor. Churchill was opposed to Overlord right up until the day it was launched but Ike managed to convince him to go along. Not sure if Dever’s could have done so. Additionally, Devers had denied critical air support Ike had requested for Husky and Avalanche, which he later had to reverse when Avalanche bogged down partially due to lack of air support. So, it’s not like Devers was completely blameless either. Ike's refusal to allow Devers to cross the Rhine was probably a major blunder.
Oh, holy shit, SM76. I think I may have just pulled something laughing. Oh. Wow. Ow. Hahahahahahahahaha!
Proportionate response after 12/7/41 would be we bomb a Japanese airfield. That's it.
Yeah we should have sued for peace after the Doolittle Raid, everything after that was disproportionate.
And there were no good guys in that war either, look at how many civilians died.
I do sometimes think that most wars, instigated by and for elite interests, should be fought by the elites themselves. Maybe we should encourage a return of poisoning and other assassinations among the ruling class.
And dueling. Society was much more circumspect when you’re bullshit could result in a fight to the death, rather than mean tweets. Also, the rules of dueling really were created to avoid a duel whenever possible and sought compromise. That was a big job of your second was to negotiate with your opponents second to try and form a compromise.
“War is cruelty. There’s no use trying to reform it, the crueler it is the sooner it will be over.
"You are rushing into war with one of the most powerful, ingeniously mechanical, and determined people on Earth — right at your doors. You are bound to fail. Only in your spirit and determination are you prepared for war. In all else you are totally unprepared, with a bad cause to start with.
"Three years ago by a little reflection and patience they could have had a hundred years of peace and prosperity, but they preferred war; very well.
"If they want eternal war, well and good; we accept the issue, and will dispossess them.
"War is the remedy our enemies have chosen. Other simple remedies were within their choice. You know it and they know it, but they wanted war, and I say let us give them all they want; not a word of argument, not a sign of let up, no cave in till we are whipped or they are.
– William Tecumseh Sherman
That's back when we still fought wars to win them, and then dealt with the consequences after winning. None of the bullshit 'civilized' wars, no nation building, no winning hearts and minds, no police actions, no limited wars or wars of stalemate (like the US policy in Korea after 1951). Just straight forward goal to win. The more we try to civilize war, the worse it becomes, you end up with endless low intensity conflicts with no discernable gains.
I will admit that while I do significantly appreciate this position, I feel that the advent of the atom bomb perhaps made its application potentially a bit too spicy.
On the flip side, we've definitely backtracked way the fuck too far in the other direction. On the gripping hand, we end up involved in some dumb-assed wars. We should not have done Gulf I. Not our circus, not our monkeys. And we could have kept using Saddam to peck at the Iranians.
Even as far back as Vietnam, we probably shouldn't have gotten involved in what was ultimately France's problem.
So what exactly is your nuanced opinion? Hamas is without question on record calling for a Holocaust. That 30K number is the number put out by Hamas and includes combatants.
Also, why don't you have the same "disproportional response" issue with the 1000s of people facing prosecution for 1/6 that committed no crime other than being there?
Oh, right, you are just here to start shit, not finish it. You would fit right in with Hamas.
The 30K number is likely exaggerated and includes Hamas fighters. The point of the fighting is to reduce Hamas' capacity to attack Israel and its people, not a tit for tat scorekeeping on how many people have been killed.
Except that Israel is recruiting tens of thousands of new Hamas fighters in the form of people who have had friends and family killed and injured by the IDF.
Blowback theory is bullshit.
Yes. Hamas was never supported before this display of self defense.
Do you realize how dumb you sound
had friends and family killed and injured by the IDF.
Apparently none of them are Hamas soldiers.
Hey fucknut, fighting proportionally or trying to give that appearance is how we fucking ended up with Iraq and Afghanistan. See what your fucking talking points results in? Probably not, you're to fucking drunk and stupid to realize it.
Something Iraq, Afghanistan, and Gaza have in common is that the fighters aren't soldiers employed by a government who will stand down if their employer surrenders. It's not war against governments. It's war against ideas. You can't kill ideas.
You are a dumb fuck, period. And an alcoholic, fuck off.
Clear enough fuckhead?
Pretty sure we fucking beat the idea of fascism dipshit. WW2 was also a war of ideas dipshit. Who won that? Try again retard.
WW2 was a war between governments. When the Japanese government surrendered, the soldiers to got the memo laid down their arms. Same with Germany. While Hamas is the governing body within Gaza, it's not a government in the same sense. They're not going to just stop fighting and go home if the Hamas leadership tells them to. There isn't going to be peaceful relations between Hamas and Israel in the future like there is between the US and the former Axis powers.
Hamas is the government of Gaza you moron. And it was a war of ideas. If it's the governing body it's a government the same as Nazi Germany. War of ideas. That's every fucking war ever, dipshit.
Guess I should go tear up all those history books that talk about wars to conquer territory or take resources.
What fucking resources are in Gaza, dingbat?
Name a history book you’ve read in the last five years, sarc. Because nobody believes you’ve read shit since you dropped out of high school.
Nobody believes you own a history book sarc.
I guarantee you I've read more history books in the last month than you've read in the last year.
Do you want a cookie?
No, but I wouldn't be upset if you decide to take the long dirt nap.
All that hatred is going to make you like Sevo someday, shaking your fist at the sky.
I don’t hate you, I despise you because your a lying cunt little bitch. There’s a difference. Look it up dipshit. I think you’re a drag on society and a waste of oxygen and food. You’re death would in no ways make me sad. That ain’t hatred, it’s complete and utter indifference to your continued existence.
Additionally, I have absolutely nothing but disgust for someone who says they cant tell who's the good guys when you have one side that purposely, unprovoked, targeted women and children, raped women and children to death and the other side that responded and is using rather extraordinary measures by any historical standard of military operations to avoid civilian casualties but because their enemy uses their own civilians as shields, can't avoid civilian casualties. If you can't see who the good guys are, you need to consider MAID.
What fucking resources are in Gaza, dingbat?
Well, they have some potentially quite lovely beaches.
They would stop fighting if they knew they had no chance of winning.
While Hamas is the governing body within Gaza, it’s not a government in the same sense. They’re not going to just stop fighting and go home if the Hamas leadership tells them to.
If your assertion is correct, then the IDF is fully justified in targeting civilian as well as military targets. You are not making the argument you think you are.
Nope. As I pointed out below, for those like Sarc calling for a proportional response, that would have required the IDF to round up 1200 Palestinians at random, torture them, rape the women and children and mutilate them, and then murder the lot, while taking another 240 hostage, many of which are raped and tortured for weeks before being murdered. That would have been a proportional response. Somehow, I doubt that Sarc and the morons calling for a proportional response would condone that either.
His stupidity is matched only by his historical ignorance. And the drinking, of course.
His three powers, stupidity, historical ignorance, and drinking. Also his white knighting.
His four powers…
/Everyone expects the Sarcasmic Obfuscation.
Thread winner!
He really did take om the worst personality traits of shrike, mike, and Jeff.
Cool. So soon Gaza will not have any "civilians".
Useful idiots like sarc and Jeff will never admit the death count would be near zero if Hamas wasn't actively attacking Israel. They broke the cease fire. They violated the NAP. Not Israel.
They will also never admit Gaza is poor because of Hamas. They recieve the highest per capita aid in the world. But it is stolen and used to attack Israel.
And shit like the water mains are torn up to be used as rocket launcher pipes. Gaza was a 3rd-world shithole because of Hamas.
When you go to war, you go to defeat your enemy, not to make a proportional response.
I want nothing to do with it myself and I think the US should stay out of it. But Hamas knew what the response was likely to be and still provoked the war. War just sucks, but I think you have to accept the reality that Israel's real aim is to destroy an enemy who wants to destroy them, not to punish them because they did a bad thing.
But Hamas knew what the response was likely to be and still provoked the war.
Hamas knew Israel would overreact. So what was their goal? If it was to get their organization’s name into the minds of most of the world, it worked. If it was to recruit more Hamas fighters around the world, it worked. If it was to gain worldwide condemnation of Israel, it worked.
Overreacted? That's more fucking retarded than normal for your shit for brains. Overreacted. You fucking armchair chickenhawk motherfucker. Fuck off and die.
And no, you don't deserve anything approaching a reasonable discussion when your using stupid fucking talking points like proportional response and overreaction when you discuss a defensive war. That is like saying what we did to Germany and Japan was an overreaction to Pearl Harbor you dumb fuck.v
That is like saying what we did to Germany and Japan was an overreaction to Pearl Harbor you dumb fuck.
Which was force them to surrender unconditionally and then rebuild their occupied nations into economic powerhouses with constitutional protections against foreign aggression. Something the Israelis have been attempting since the 1960s and the Palestinians are just too fucking mired in 7th century religious dogma to perceive.
You and Sevo need to get back on your meds.
No, you need to fucking stop wasting oxygen. You're a fucking retard with the dumbest fucking talking points that are just bumper sticker level thinking.
Now I'm done wasting my time with this fucking moron. Can't win wars of ideas. Every war is a war of ideas dipshit. The Revolution. 1812. Civil War. Both World Wars etc. all wars of ideas moron. Also, there is no such thing as proportional in warfare. You attack a stronger enemy you get your ass handed to you. Period. Whining about it is what little bitches and morons do.
Yep. That's about the same level of hostility I received when I said that using drones to bomb weddings isn't a great way to make friends.
So instead, you went out of your way this morning to pick yet another fight here.
Who here supported Obama’s drone campaign against civilians? I wasn’t here at the time, so this should be enlightening
Sarcs new allies always defend Obama drone strikes.
The intent in a war isn't to make friends.
You're a fucking moron. The hostility is because you're a fucking moron repeating stupid fucking, borderline anti-semitic, bumper sticker talking points. Israel is about the only country people whine needs to be 'proportional' when they're attacked unprovoked killing 1200 civilians in the most gruesome manner possible, men, women and children with girls from nine to ninety raped to death. Physically raped to death. Should the IDF go in and rape to death Palestinian women and children to be proportional?
Or how do you respond proportionally to how one you g lady, an 18 yo woman, was raped by a dozen Hamas fighters, and while being raped, one of them cut her breasts off, and then beheaded her while being raped? Or the mother who was forced to watch as they raped her daughters and then murdered them, and then was raped herself before being murdered? Her daughters were like 9 and 11. How do you proportionally respond to that? I know how, lift off and nuke them from space. Someone did that to my wife and daughter there'll be lucky if all I do is shoot them.
This will break your brain, but I don’t see any good guys in this. What Hamas did was terrible, and what Israel is doing is terrible. Though I’m sure you’ll read this and think I’m praising Hamas or something idiotic, because you can’t comprehend someone supporting neither side. Just as you can’t comprehend my disdain for both political parties and candidates, and believe it means I support the one you hate.
That's because you're a moron. The country attacked unprovoked (there was a ceasefire in place that Israel was honoring, and Israel was allowing Hamas to govern Gaza, providing them food, water and electricity at the time of the attack), who didn't rape to death women and children, isn't the bad guy dipshit. It's pretty fucking clear who the bad guys are. The ones who raped a nine year old and eleven years old in front of their mother, then killed them and then raped and killed the mother. That's who the fucking bad guys are. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fucking retard or anti-semite. Which one are you?
Thank you for confirming my original post.
By the way, your inability to comprehend something doesn't make me the moron.
Poor sarc.
What makes you a moron is your attempt to false equivalate the two parties. How is Israel even close to the bad guys? And the reason it confirmed your post is because you know you're a fucking moron who can't defend your position. How is Israel equal to raping children in front of their parents? How? Even close to being the same? How? No fucking dancing around? How is it the same moron?
My prediction is he can't answer so he will imply that I can't comprehend it. Because he's a weasel who can't explain how Israel is even in the same ballpark as Hamas when it comes to guilt. Just for reference, the Einsatzgruppen usually just shot their victims, and didn't rape and torture them before killing them. Hamas in fact did shit on October 7th, that is worse than what Hitler's actual death squads did. That is who you're are saying you can't declare the bad guys.
I didn't equivocate. I said that I don't see any good guys, and that both sides are doing terrible things. That doesn't excuse what anyone did, nor does it say both sides are the same. I said it would break your brain.
So what should Israel do? Ignore the attacks? Just let it happen) oh wise one who knows everything, what is proportional when your children are raped and murdered in an unprovoked military attack aimed at civilians? How is Israel not the good guys?
See I said he would dance around the point because he can't answer it. He is creating a false equivalency and then claiming he is not when confronted.
How is Israel not the good guys?
If you ignore reports that you don't like and stay willfully ignorant then of course Israel is the good guys. If you think they never killed any civilians, they aren't cramming Palestinians into ever shrinking territory, they aren't targeting aid workers, and they're not starving people to death, then of course they're the good guys. They're God's Chosen People!
More dancing. He can't answer what is proportional and then implies I don't know all the facts. Like the IDF taking unheard of measures to protect civilians that aren't 100 % effective and bad shit happens, somehow that makes them equivalent to purposely targeting civilians, raping young children in front of their parents. Notice he can't say what is proportional just dances around trying to imply he is enlightened when he has no fucking clue. Just is parroting talking points.
Oh and note the decision of labeling them God's Chosen People. Which is something the closet anti-semites love to do when they get called out on their bullshit.
Dance some more little bitch.
“This will break your brain, but I don’t see any good guys in this.”
Why would reciting decades-old left-wing pablum break anyone’s brain?
Notice he can’t see any good guys when you have one side who was honoring a ceasefire despite multiple (failed) missile strikes by the other side. Who was delivering food and aid to the civilians under the control of the other side. And then was mass attacked, with their enemies targeting civilians, torturing them, raping them, mutilating them, and then killing them, raping and mutilating children in front of their parents before murdering them. Cutting unborn babies out of pregnant women while the women were still alive and then murdering the mother and child, often in front of their husbands and fathers. He can’t see any good guys? Really? What kind of warped sense of morality does he have?
This is literally shit that the SS death squads didn't even do. And he can't see any good guys.
See? Look how much energy you wasted feeding the attention vampire, SM76?
This is why I recommend muting. Starve the retarded pigfucker of what he craves even more than donkey cocks.
Hearts and minds right Sarc? It's sure to work this time.
Pour Sarc.
I'm sure their goal was to get attention and support as has happened. They also don't give a fuck if thousands of their fellow Palestinians get killed in service of their terrorist PR stunt. I place most of the blame for Palestinian deaths on Hamas.
I think Israel has played into Hamas’ hands with this. In the end there will be even more support for Hamas and even more hatred for Israel.
There are two sides to this story you know. When Israel was created, the people of Palestine were promised their own territory. That territory has been continually shrinking, resulting in Gaza being one of, if not the, most densely populated places on the planet. As part of this offensive Israel has been demolishing buildings and bulldozing farms in preparation for settlers moving in. That isn’t meant to excuse what Hamas did (though I'm sure a dozen replies will insist that it is). Just saying that there are other points of view where Israel isn’t the good guy.
Yeah, those hamas guys are super smart.
Dumbass.
The hilarious part is it is you and other democrats playing into the hands of Hamas by pushing their propaganda, ignoring their use if civilian shields to make Israel just as bad, trying to tie Israel into a corner, etc.
Youre doing literally what Hamas wants lol.
Of course, that’s how allies help each other.
ignoring their use if civilian shields
This is a war crime every bit as sinister as anything Hamas did on 10/7. This is what the self-chosen Palestinian government does to the people they are supposed to protect. They prove every day that they cannot govern themselves. They are a death cult.
"That territory has been continually shrinking"
It's just been continuously shrinking. sarc has no idea how or why.
Could it have anything to do with the wars initiated by the Arab/Palestinians?
Should we tell him about the Battle of Saipan or Okinawa and how the IJN and IJA territory continues to shrink?
But they were promised a greater east asia co-prosperity sphere!
The Bataan Death March is what decolonizing looks like.
When you go to war, you go to defeat your enemy, not to make a proportional response.
That’s only if you want the war to end, and that is absofuckinglutely not part of the program
Boring.
So if you think 30,000 civilians killed is a disproportional response to the Hamas attack then you support terrorist and hate Jews.
Like I told marxisttruman the other day, if Hamas didn't think Israel was going to respond like this, they're even more retarded than I thought.
They knew. Which means that their goal was to goad Israel into this kind of reaction. Question then is why.
If they knew, it was because, as an offshoot of the marxist-inspired Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas was trying to bring about a self-fulfilling dialectic that all marxists practice--act in the most provocative manner possible to get a "disproportionate" reaction that you claimed was already happening.
That's how you get the campus marxists claiming that any resistance to their actions means "we're living in a police state!" Anything that prevents them from doing what they want with impunity is "oppression" in their "oppressed/oppressor" false duality.
The circumstances are different, but the mindset is the same.
Suicide by IDF?
Yeah, they thought it would get the Arab nations that have normalized relations with Israel to join their fight. Oops.
Hamas had a goal of a response then using propaganda against Israel. Ironically it is you pushing the Hamas propaganda here this morning.
Just because some group has a plan. that does not mean it is a good plan.
So if you think 30,000 civilians killed is a disproportional response
If you say you think thirty thousand Gazan civilians have been killed by Israel, you're either a liar or an idiot. An accurate number would be south of 300.
Repeating ISIS and Al-Qaida propaganda wasn't cool, but somehow publishing Hamas's stuff is A-Okay.
An accurate number would be south of 300.
That’s the daily death toll, not total.
Where did you get that number? Even Israel admits that they've killed tens of thousands of people.
Did you miss the "civilians" part on purpose, Sarcasmic?
This is the closest I've ever come to feeling like blocking you. I won't because I'm not a censorious cunt, but I do not like games like that.
Conflating Hamas fighters with women and children is vile.
Conflating Hamas fighters with women and children is vile.
Insisting that only fighters are being killed when civilian deaths are well documented is dishonest and vile.
Never said there weren't civilian deaths dipshit, did I? Because in every war, no matter how hard you try to avoid it, there is civilian deaths. No you're just lying little bitch.
I said the IDF takes extreme measures to avoid civilian casualties. Not that there were no civilian casualties. Fuck you're a little bitch.
Never said there weren’t civilian deaths dipshit, did I?
Who was that post a reply to?
Narrator:
This is where sarc forgot what he said.
Considering you replied to ML replying to my comment and you referenced my comment, looks like you're the lying cunt.
"Well documented" like the 30k deaths you posted above which includes Hamas soldiers and made up numbers?
"when civilian deaths are well documented is dishonest and vile."
THE FUCK THEY ARE!
WHERE SARCASMIC. WHERE ARE THESE 30,000 CIVILIAN DEATHS WELL DOCUMENTED!!!
Because the ONLY group giving out the "30,000" figure was Hamas.
He also can't tell who the bad guys are. The ones who attacked civilians unprovoked and purposely targeted civilians, and raped and murdered women and children in the most gruesome manner possible. Or the country that warns civilians before the strike, where they're going to strike, who drops dummy bombs to warn ahead of strikes, and had lost soldiers because of their restrictive rules of engagement that value enemy civilians lives over their own soldiers lives.
Oh cute, now you're doing a Jesse.
Every thing he just said about what Israel is doing in this conflict to avoid civilian injuries is valid. Why are you pretending that there is a genocide and repeating Hamas propaganda?
Now you're putting words in my mouth too. Jesse will be proud when he reads your comment.
No he is responding to what you said, you said what I posted was cute and implied it was false. But it was all facts. In other words, you couldn't defend your position, implied it was false, got called out and now are whining about getting called out because you're a little bitch.
said what I posted was cute and implied it was false.
No, I implied that you're putting words into my mouth so you can argue against things I never said. That's what doing a Jesse is.
No you didn't you lying fuck. That's exactly what you did now you're doing the thing were you pretend everyone else is stupid. Because you're a lying cunt and a little bitch.
Translation: “That’s not what you think! This is what you think! Don’t contradict me when I’m telling you what you think! You’re a fucking liar if you claim that’s not what you think! Now I’m going to argue against all these talking points, and if you say that's not what you believe then you're a fucking liar!"
Poor sarc. Always the victim
Sarc, why do you continue to blame me for what you say? Lol.
Fuck you, Sarcasmic. You always, always, always, always pull this shit.
It's all just a troll to you, isn't it.
In what universe do you think anyone believes you meant anything else but what I stated you meant? Only someone with a room temperature IQ believes you.
Those are well documented things the IDF are doing? So, you're denying facts now because you can't defend your position.
Notice sarc never has to prove his own bald assertions.
Never once. No link. Just letting the words "well documented" do all the heavy lifting.
And when you document your assertions he will jump to dismissing it as an "unreliable" source.
Sarc... a normal intelligent person would see everyone saying the same things about them and have a moment of introspection. But you aren't intelligent.
I am still waiting to hear what proportional response Israel should launch in retaliation for 1200 civilians killed unprovoked, with women and children being raped to death. I note he still hasn't answered that. Also fuck those who condemn them for seeking revenge, that's kind of another point of retaliatory war. I have yet to hear what kind of response the idiots asking for proportionality would accept. Should the IDF have picked out 1200 Palestinian civilians at random, raped the women and children, torture them while raping them, disfigure them while raping them, and then kill the lot, burning some alive for their amusement, exactly like Hamas did? Because that's a proportional response. I highly doubt the borderline anti-semites blaming Israel would do anything but condemn Israel for doing exactly what Hamas did, e.g. the literal definition of proportional.
You won't get it.
The behavior he adopted from Mike was to base his arguments on the most generic public possible when refuting someone else's argument and then try to pretend he never said the natural conclusion of what his response was.
Commentator: non violent J6 protestors shouldn't face jail time.
Sarc: the J6 rioters should be in jail because officers died, clean blind shoot.
Commentator: so J6 people should face mass arrests?
Sarc: that isn't exactly what I said!!!
Oh I know, just pointing it out for the peanut gallery who might think I'm being overly harsh calling him a lying cunt little bitch.
I was hoping you see a new member of The List lol. Was enjoying it.
while i will grant that Israel does not look like an angel in all of this..... they didn't start it. short of ACTUAL genocide (not the exaggeration of the word's use now) there isn't really any point where the calculus for reproach favors Hamas over Israel. they might both be wrong, but it is hard to follow any logic where Israel is more wrong.
Is this the same icj that has been compleatly silent on Nigerian ragheads genociding Christians, azerbjon christen getting genocided by other ragheads, the uuigers getting genocide by the chinks, and I forgot where the 4th Christian genocide is happening.
But is that the group that is going to rule?
Uyghurs are Muslims, mostly.
Yes they are. I ment the 3rd Christian genocide.
Armenia?
I'm really starting to think it may be time to organize the Tenth Crusade.
What’s remarkable is that Muslim countries will whine about the Palestinian Arabs, but neither raise voice nor arms regarding the Uyghurs in China.
Especially the Turks, since the Uyghurs are Turkish people.
Which shows you just how much manipulation is going on.
India has a lot of Christian deaths.
https://hamslivenews.com/2022/01/15/the-rising-persecution-of-christians-in-india-in-midst-of-suppression-slander-slaughter/
Includes parading, stoning, raping christians.
Er, it's a court. It rules on the cases brought before it.
(By the way, could you make it any more obvious that your source for this nonsense is some wackjob christian nationalist website?)
“(By the way, could you make it any more obvious that your source for this nonsense is some wackjob christian nationalist website?)”
Are you implying that he is incorrect? All of what he posted is happening.
Facts don't matter. Just the sources. Always thought he was a Jeff sock.
It's been covered by several news sources, you choose to ignore it. It's also been called out by multiple international human rights groups.
This is why you’re evil, Shrike.
Because even though these geocidal, coordinated attacks are absolutely happening, you’re trying to handwave it away by attacking sources and lying about the stories' provenance.
What a garbage person you are.
The Chinese aren't exactly treating their Christians very well either.
'The International Court of Justice (ICJ) in the Hague is expected to issue a decision today on whether military arms suppliers bear culpability for how the weapons are used.'
These guns work too well!
(Rejected: 15-1)
They're college students! A lot of them have no idea exactly what they're asking for
-- but when do they want it? NOW!!
No kidding they don't know what they're asking for:
VIDEO: A REAL interview we had at NYU:
QUESTION: "Why are you protesting?"
PROTESTER #1: "I don't know. I'm pretty sure there's something about Israel [turns to other person] Why are we protesting?"
PROTESTER #2: "I wish I was more educated."
PROTESTER #1: "I'm not either."
https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1783154103947862364
Not surprising. I'm sure for a lot of people it's just a party. Campus activism is so silly. Everyone just wants to pretend it's the 60s or something.
No no no, Zeb. You have it all wrong. We are supposed to project our own biases onto those protesting college students. So the right-wingers will insist that those protesting college students are actually pro-terrorist, pro-Hamas, anti-Jew, anti-Semites, even when many protestors themselves admit they are just there for a party, and of course this conclusion has nothing at all to do with their pre-existing biases at all. And the left-wingers will insist that those protesting college students are deeply and intellectually committed to the idea of liberating the Palestinian people from decades of oppression, even when many protestors themselves admit they are just there for a party, and of course this conclusion has nothing at all to do with their pre-existing biases at all.
Who are you talking about, Lying Jeffy?
We can conclude this not because of our bias as you pretend, but rather because we evaluate the principles they claim to base their support on and discover these principles are not followed whenever they would result in defending Jews.
This is how adults distinguish pretexts from principles.
"You misunderstand our intentions" has been the rallying cry of homicidal protesters since the Reign of Terror. The only good part when they get what they want is when the wannabe Robespierres have to listen to the same platitudes as they get their pointy fucking heads chopped off.
Same people:
Republicans are literally Nazis for wanting smaller government and free speech.
Hamas should be celebrated for raping women and children, mutilating them while raping them and then killing them, something even the Einsatzgruppenn didn't do*
*Largely because Nazi ideology actually condemned any sexual contact with der untermenschen.**
*" But you know which group did much the same during their genocide? The Ottoman Turks against the Armenians.
we evaluate the principles they claim to base their support on
Who are "they"? The protestors who are only there for a party? What are their principles exactly?
LOL @ “party”
Yeah calling for genocide against Jews is my idea of a party.
Attacking openly Jews is my idea of a party too. I'm sure you probably describe Krystqlnacht as a party too, don't you?
I don't think it's all that unreasonable to think that a lot of people at the protests are probably there for the social scene more than anything else.
Yeah, but so were a lot of the young people at Nazi rallies. Lest we forget, the university students were some of the biggest supporters of Nazism in the 1920s and 30s.
People tend to focus on the Nazi parties appeal to veterans but they actually had greater support among young people, especially university students.
Sure, but it’s not reasonable to use the useful idiots to excuse the disgusting behavior by the marxists and Islamists like Lying Jeffy has done repeatedly today.
No no, Zeb. You have it totally wrong. THEY are all a faceless blob that all march in lockstep. If one of them is a Jew-hater, they all are. It is proof.
To put it another way, just because Heinz was attending Nazi Party rallies to pick up chicks doesn't forgive Hans who went full on SS Einsatzgruppen. In fact, to a degree Heinz has more culpability because he did provide cover to Hans.
You are absolutely right. The idiot MAGA partiers on Jan. 6 are even more to blame for the riot that ensued, because they gave cover to the seditionists (e.g. Proud Boys) who really did want to subvert the peaceful transfer of power. Clearly, Joe Biden didn't arrest enough of the Jan. 6 protestors. He needs to imprison them all! That is what you are saying, right? Right?
Yes we know. Every single person at that protest conforms to the stereotype that was fed to you by your preferred media source.
Just like every single person at BLM protests in 2020 was a radical Marxist.
Let's play this game in reverse, shall we?
"Every single person at the Jan. 6 riot was there to commit sedition." Fair? No, of course not. But it's only unfair when it's done to the people of your own tribe, right?
Which is exactly what you’ve done for the past three years you lying fuck. And don't pretend it isn't because lots of people have receipts they'd be more than willing to share you fatfuck.
This is just more evidence that you really do regard everyone opposed to you as just one big blob. If one of them thinks they are all seditionists, then they all think they are all seditionists.
What I believe is indistinguishable from what AOC believes. That is what you think is true, right?
Yeah, no. I'm pretty sure we can agree that most of these protesting clowns are children raised to be perpetually offended, showing up because someone told them they should and they don't have the good sense to even question why. Or, if they do, approach it as the shallowest level possible using their hierarchy of oppression.
I’m sure for a lot of people it’s just a party.
Socialist butterflies. It's fun for them, they get to be around their friends, they get to pretend they're part of a "cause".
And there's the whole idea that a lot of students seem to have that part of why you go to college is to do activism. Which I've always thought was fucking dumb, but a lot of schools do promote themselves that way.
Yeah, no shit.
And Activism is always leftist. They're pretending it's the 60s, which their boomer parents (now almost the grandparents) lauded as the greatest time in America. They want the "college experience" as it was mythologized.
Whatever. Student loans mean there's money to be made. Might as well hire more administrators and provide the experience their clientele expects.
“…writes Jesse Singal over at his Substack. “They’re neither! They’re college students!””
Fine. They are deranged ignoramuses leavened by antisemitic Palestinian nationalists being cheered on Far-Left Critical Theory Professors, but they are also allegedly adults who can be held accountable for their criminal behavior.
They need to go clean their rooms.
They're acting like children who won't put away their toys. They need to be treated like children who won't behave, sent to their rooms, or to jail if they won't stay in their rooms.
Also raise the voting age to 30.
No. Voting, sex, drugs and guns should all be allowed at the same age: the age of majority.
Given that childhood now extends well into American's twenties (at least for some classes), what does "majority" mean in the 21st century?
If that is the case, then pick an age and stick to it.
I vote for 18 and compulsory draft. Not universal, but whatever the number of recruits we miss in recruiting. No college deferments, open to both sexes. If the Army misses recruitment by 40,000, draft 40,000 of these little whiners. If the Marine Corp or Navy misses recruitment, well hope some of these wokesters don't get seasick.
*I’m actually being somewhat facetious here, as I generally wouldn’t want to serve with someone drafted as opposed to volunteering, but also realize the problems with an all volunteer force (e.g. professional warrior caste, more societal openness to conflict because less societal impact) and I would love to see some round browns get a hold of this lot. With the draft, I'd bring back full on shark attack.
I don't favor a compulsory draft, but I would make any federal benefits for 20-somethings conditional on national service.
Just a little bit of involuntary servitude never did anyone any harm...
Do you even try to justify this position on libertarian grounds?
Why voting? 18 year olds don't know anything about anything. They need to do the other things so they can learn. But wait to vote until they have learned something about how the world works. I think 35 seems like a good age.
Which brings us back to the draft (I'm really not in favor of one but it does have its merits as well as it's detriments). The only reason we went to 18 was due to the draft. Once the draft ended, and service was no longer compulsory, it kind of removed a major argument for lowering the voting age.
I don't think anyone should be allowed to vote unless they're old enough to serve in the office. As in you get a House ballot at age 25, Senate ballot at 30, and presidential ballot at 35.
That would require voter ID, and that’s rayciss.
I like that idea.
Might as well raise the minimum voting age to the age of the candidate you are voting for.
Only net tax payers should be able to vote.
This.
We could call it the Little Red Hen Amendment. Fucking kindergarteners understand that if you don't contribute, you don't get the reward.
At least 25.
'Nicaragua, a longstanding supporter of the Palestinian cause, told the court that Germany was not only failing in its obligations to help avoid genocide against Palestinians in Gaza'
Hey, Nicaragua, FAFO.
American Leftists, on the side of Nicaragua, South Africa and Hamas. Strange bedfellows.
'Israel has repeatedly defended itself, saying that it works hard to preserve civilian life in Gaza, despite its military campaign, and that what it is doing to Palestinians does not constitute a genocide.'
Misek in 3, 2, 1...
Pre refuted.
Darn.
Sarc has fully taken up the misek mantle.
' Some students have been suspended by administrators'
Will they get a sternly written letter in their permanent file?
'They claim they've renamed it Hind's Hall'
When does Hind go on double secret probation?
"Portland State University (PSU) officials have asked the city's police department to help remove dozens of protesters who they said had broken into and occupied a university library on Monday evening."
Unfortunately, the Portland police department is down to a handful of purple-haired social workers and a vegan cat.
That poor vegan cat is already on its 8th life.
'Police officers arrested 17 people at the University of Utah, as well.'
Including Romney?
"One very annoying thing about the way all this is covered is the way one angry group is treating these students as deranged Jew-hating zealots, while another is treating them as exemplars of pure altruistic virtue,"
OK, class, which one of these is more correct?
What color skin?
https://twitter.com/OliLondonTV/status/1785067142104191179
"Jewish man TASERED by crazed female Palestine activist at UCLA.
The Jewish man was assaulted and hit on the head by the woman wearing a mask and headscarf before she pulled out a taser. "
Of course, we don't know the context of what may or may not have occurred prior to the video recording.
They are all correct. There are some who really are anti-Semitic and hate Jews. There are some who really are truly altruistically committed to stopping what they perceive is a grave moral injustice against Palestinians. But there are also a lot who are just there for a party. Almost everybody, on all sides, is really acting stupidly when it comes to these protests. The Jew-haters need to shut up, because not only are they just vile, all they are doing is giving endless fodder to right-wing media so that they can portray all of the protestors as anti-Semites. The idealistic altruists who really do care about the plight of Palestinians need to find some constructive way to do something about it, and camping out on a college campus doesn't do it. And the people who are just there for a party need to go back to class. And the people who are genuinely committing acts of violence and vandalism need to be punished. And the university administrators need to stop overreacting and stop doing mass arrests of *everyone*, because all THEY are doing is giving fodder to left-wing media to provoke sympathy for the stupid protests which aren't accomplishing anything.
Were some at the Jan 6 episode there to “party” as well?
"The idealistic altruists who really do care about the plight of Palestinians need to find some constructive way to do something about it, and camping out on a college campus doesn’t do it."
i think this line may hint at how high the percentage is of the truly idealistic altruists. (or more to the point.... how low) the most insane thing about these protests is how little anyone thinks they accomplish.
It's making Jews feel unsafe. Not a happy outcome if you ask me.
Let's look at some of the signs they've allowed at their rallies. Hmmm signs calling for a final solution? Check. Signs telling Jewish students they're next? Check. Signs calling for the elimination of Israel? Check. Assault caught on tape against openly Jewish students? Check. If they don't want to be called anti-semites they need to do a whole lot better job policing who they're hanging out with.
You are exactly right. The guy who went to the Jan. 6 protest because he just wanted to support Trump is just as guilty as the Proud Boy who went to the Jan. 6 protest with weapons who said he wanted to murder Mike Pence.
If all of those Real Murican MAGA folks didn't want to be lumped in with insurrectionists and seditionists, they should have done a better job policing who they're hanging out with.
"Officers arrested over 90 people, including 54 students, at a protest encampment on the lawn at Virginia Tech's Graduate Life Center,"
So over 36 protestors were not students.
Yes. Your idol helps fund professional protestors. This is known.
Not my idol. Unlike you, I have no idols real nor imagined.
Lol. Sure shrike. Why you constantly defend him even when shown his true colors. Go with that.
“…Unlike you, I have no idols real nor imagined.”
Unfortunately, you are a victim of a totally unwarranted self-idolatry.
How would you describe your feelings towards Soros, gov’na shrike?
Wow, look at the math wiz here.
Can now confirm he passed at least 3rd grade.
Wow, look at the poster too stupid to understand implications.
I give a compliment and you return with insults?
Actually curious as to what you think the implication is.
the U.N. defines genocide as "a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part."
What the hell does "destroy a group in part" mean? By that stupid standard, any attempt to kill anyone who is part of a national, ethnic, racial or religious group is "genocide". If you want to say Israel is too cavalier about civilian casualties in Gaza, say that. There are specific treaties against targeting civilians. Claim that.
Exactly. This definition of genocide is nonsense.
Israel has much more likely violated the normal rules a war than committed "genocide", but I guess that doesn't make for a snappy headline.
Genocide is like Fascism. Nobody knows what the word means anymore.
What rules of war? They've actually gone further than the rules of war require to limit civilian casualties and every so called protected site they've hit has been the direct result of Hamas using those protected sites for offensive military purposes, which under the rules of law removes any protections afforded to those sites. I mean MASH even addressed this correctly in an episode where Frank Burns requisitions an anti-aircraft gun. And this is something I'm very familiar with, having served in a Combat Support Hospital. As soon as you store or conduct offensive military operations out of a hospital or other protected site, you lose your protections under international law. So what laws of war has Israel broken? I'm betting you don't have anything other than bald assertions, largely because I'm betting like a lot of morons I've read who spout this shit, you don't actually understand the pertinent laws of war.
I'm not sure he was saying they had, just saying it would be a more plausible claim than genocide.
To be more plausible it has to contain some truth. It's no more plausible than the charge of genocide.
meh. it is more plausible to the average college student who doesn't know the international law you talked about...... where claiming genocide is deliberate hyperbole that ignores what the word means.
to be clear, i agree that claim would be wrong, but i could see someone being honest in that mistake. claiming genocide is openly dishonest.
You're probably correct. I've seen it made about torture and such to, that terrorist taken prisoners are protected as EPW under the Geneva Convention, when in fact, Partisans, Terrorist and non-uniformed combatants are expressly excluded from Geneva Convention protection under the Geneva Convention.
*this doesn't make torture okay, just that terrorist aren't protected from torture under the Geneva Convention as so many think they are.
If these idiots made specific claims, they'd have to admit they are full of shit.
I suspect what they are tying to say with the "in part" is that if a country tries to kill everyone in some particular ethnic group within the country then it counts as genocide even if that group still exists elsewhere. Which seems reasonable to me. But I agree the way it's written there does seem like it leaves it a bit too open to interpretation.
It took a lot of comments for someone to say this. By this ridiculous definition, trying to convert people or convince them god doesn't exist would even be genocide. At least if done in a country where conversion or blasphemy were a crime.
Terrible definition of genocide.
In reality, genocide is a thing that is defined only by its success.
It's the UN, we aren't actually talking about the best or brightest. It's the same organization that can have Iran, China and Syria on the human rights committee with a straight face.
"I killed a single person with the intention of destroying a specific group in part."
"GENOCIDE! GENOCIDE!"
Yeah, it's a fucking retarded definition.
"They're neither! They're college students! A lot of them have no idea exactly what they're asking for (something about the…S&P 500?), and are much more driven by outrage that tens of thousands of Palestinians have been killed. It's fine to both laud them for the strength of their convictions while also acknowledging that convictions are a very easy thing for a (most likely privileged) 20-year-old to have and to signal at low cost."
If this is true, then we need to drastically change how we prepare young people for college. How about we improve K-12 and encourage some real life experience to reduce idiotic delusional tendencies and just plain immaturity?
College students have always been this way, everywhere. Did you forget?
Even if true, is that a good thing? Should colleges accommodate perpetual childhood? Would students (and society) benefit if they entered with more maturity and insight?
College students have always been this way, everywhere. Did you forget?
No, college students have not always been this self-indulgent and destructive. This kind of shit didn't become part of college culture until the 60s with the rise of the New Left on campuses and their marxist, hedonistic worldviews.
Maybe in America. But European college campuses have been training radicals for centuries.
Where did you go to college?
"I don't usually do media criticism on this platform, but the "coverage of the war in Gaza : coverage of campus protests about the war" ratio at the moment is not what I think it should be."
What about Ukraine? What is it, chopped liver?
That’s so last year.
NO BLOOD FOR BORSCHT!
Blood sausage borscht?
'Lots of theorizing circulating about why so many of the student-encampment tents look the same…'
How many tents are stamped "Property of the FBI"?
They look exactly like homeless encampments.
'Now, a document that appears to be written by officials from the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), and was leaked to the BBC, says that Nika was sexually assaulted and killed by the IRGC.'
The mullahs should ask German Nazis about compulsions to keep complete records.
'"Parents are turning out to be unexpected but forceful opponents of schools' attempts to keep kids off their smartphones," reports The Wall Street Journal.'
How else can modern helicopter parents track their kids 24-7, and also constantly friend them on social media?
It’d be funny if you were exaggerating the truth, but unfortunately you’re not far from it
Sorry Liz, these protesters aren’t just privileged 20 somethings. Those are just the useful idiots. A lot of the people getting arrested aren’t even students, and the people orchestrating the “human chains” that are being used to violate Jewish student’s rights are professionals.
Also, if everyone went to Walmart to buy tents, they wouldn’t all be the same color, and if everyone that went on Amazon tried to buy the same tent in the same color at the same time they would sell out.
You’re allowing your emotional preferences to influence your analysis and being willfully naive.
Well, someone managed to get a bunch of tents in the same color.
Yeah, someone. Not a bunch of separate people buying tents at once.
I'm content to be agnostic on this one. I don't doubt that outside groups are helping to support and organize the protests. I also don't find it as hard to believe as some seem to that a bunch of people bought the same tent.
Several years ago, when there was a supposed 'grass roots' push for a higher M/W, it took a reporter a while to find someone who worked at the Micky Ds where the demonstration was held.
about the tents, for that many tents, of any color, to suddenly become available some one had to stock pile them over time. this was planned. Heck our government is known to be watching sporting goods stores for unusual purchases so they had to notice a sudden jump in tent sales. But we know our government doesn't recognize patterns even when it slaps them in the face.
An organization bought them wholesale. Some of the money probably came from taxes via an NGO.
Exactly. You don’t just run out to Walmart or Dick’s Sporting Goods and pick up five dozen tents at once. Someone, somewhere is providing these.
and not just one location but at all protest through out the country. that takes planning and monies
i see these kinds of tents in the modern day bargain stores all the time. (they frequently overlap with some of the online auction locations i have used.) they tend to buy a bunch at the same time in bulk and they tend to all be the same color. it rally isn't that hard to imagine a bunch of people getting the same dirt cheap tent of the same color.
not saying they are not being helped in some way, but the tent thing is a really stupid thing to claim as "evidence." it's kind of like claiming the dairy industry was funding college protests in the past because of how many had furniture that was milk crates. if they all had the same really expensive tent, that might warrant a look, but all having the same cheap shit means nothing.
Perhaps, but would those people who organically bought the same tent ALSO then setup all those tents in a straight line reminiscent of a military encampment?
Google up some images of Krzyzewskiville tent city on Duke's campus (for basketball tickets) to see how organic tent cities look.
Some of the pro-Hamas protest tent cities look like someone went to REI surplus, bought 100 tents same make and model and then went out to the field and set them all up in nice orderly rows with even spacing between them.
Perhaps, but would those people who organically bought the same tent ALSO then setup all those tents in a straight line reminiscent of a military encampment?
OMG! Setting up tents in a straight line totally proves there is a giant un-American conspiracy funded by Soros to promote terrorism and push Marxism!
They claim they've renamed it Hind's Hall
There it is! I don't know about you all, but I'm sold. The protestors have finally won me over. They can all go home now.
I might gain some respect for them if they renamed it Helm's Deep.
New Rafah?
But then they'd have to be on the outside trying to get in.
I’ve got to admit that, as far as identifiers go, “Hind” rolls off the tongue more easily than “Self-Identifying Attack Helicopter’s Hall” or “Soviet Mil Mi-24 ‘Flying Tank’s Hall”.
When I did a rotation at JRTC back in the 1990s, OpFor had a couple Hinds they used for assaults. During the AAR after the engagement they used the Hinds against us asked one of the pilots what it was like flying them. He answered, we were in level flight and the damn thing decided to flip on its side for no reason, sucked the seat cushion up my ass pretty damn quick.
Also talked to a crew chief on a Chinook one time and asked about all the hydraulic fluid leaks. He replied 'i don't worry about when it leaks, I only get concerned when it stops leaking'.
It's a helicopter that was perfectly designed for its purpose... and that purpose was as a symbol of Soviet might that John Rambo could slam into in a stolen T-62.
The OpFor commander also stated ‘usually when we do this assault, people take pictures and then start shooting. Y’all started shooting first and then took pictures, where you from? (We were the first combat support hospital to do a rotation at JRTC) When we answered mostly Idaho, Eastern Washington and Western Montana, he replied, ‘should have figured, a bunch of hillbilly rednecks, good on ya’. Not a single OpFor member got off the helo before they were 'killed'.
Also, Rambo III dedicated the heroic Mujihadeen fighters has got to be one of the worst aged movies.
If another couple dozen self immolate, then I will be convinced.
Here's a recent part of a much bigger actual genocide going on across Middle East right now, that both the pro-Hamas demonstrators and Washington establishment tacitly approve. You won't see CNN or NBC reporting about it.
Someone talked yesterday about the massive ethnic cleansing and killing of various Christian ethnicities in Azerbaijan that was too much of a local story to make the pages of international papers.
Well the same thing has been slow rolling to Egypt's Coptic population (the unmixed ancient Egyptian descendants). Who have the misfortune of being Christian in a post CIA color revolution country.
Here's an example from the 23rd of weekly attacks on the Copts.
Muslim extremists reportedly burn down Christian homes in southern Egypt
Mobs are out on the streets and burning down homes of Egyptian Coptic Christians in Al-Fawakher in Minya. [video]
Muslim extremists arson Christian homes in Minya, Egypt
The Muslim who filming the video is playing music and praising the people who burned the church
Here's a bit of citizen journalism
On Tuesday night, an Islamist mob attacked several Coptic Christian owned homes and business in the Minya providence of Egypt, where I grew up. Here is what happened and why it matters. A brief thread.
There had been circulating rumors that the almost 3,000 Coptic families in the village of Al-Fawakher were trying to build a church. This was, of course, met with vehement opposition from Muslim neighbors.
n cases like these, the Muslim majority in villages will usually expel the Christians, forcing them to give up their property and leave the town.
Unable to expel Christians as punishment this time around, Muslim neighbors resorted to their second favorite form of punishment for Copts; burning homes and businesses to the ground while there are women and children inside.
The Coptic families had anticipated this and reported it to Egyptian security forces. They “promised” to take preventive action.
Attacks started with throwing stones at and burning Coptic homes and businesses. Fires were large enough that they could be seen from miles away and went on for several hours before any security forces arrived at the scene.
Now, this is not a novel attack. In fact, these things happen all the time, and are rarely reported on in the West. But why is this specific attack of note?
Islamism is on the rise all over the Middle East. While this specific attack is not backed by an Iran proxy or anything of the sort, there are no coincidence in the region.
When there is social and political instability, populations will act more violently. This leaves Coptic Christians and other religious and ethnic minorities even more vulnerable.
It is up to Egypt to protect her people— ALL her people. And while I am not holding my breath that this wish will come true anytime soon, I am hoping my community finally wakes up to our reality and takes things into our own hands. If our-so-called homeland cannot protect us, we must learn to protect and defend ourselves.
As always, please keep the Copts of Egypt in your prayers.
They are just burning the terrorist training camps of Christian nationalists.
Secret Coptic civilian rocket sites they set up under The Churches, but totally not using the Churches as shields, in their unending plot to overthrow the Egyptian government and push all the Jews and Muslims into the sea.
The region of peace.
Not sure what your point is. There has always been religious persecution punctuated by atrocities in shithole countries since the inception of mankind.
If you didn't know that, educate yourself.
If you did know that, explain what's different now.
Gee, think real hard:
Protests against Islamists because they are supposed victims of genocide, but see here?
Is that too difficult?
It's an idiot.
Really. Dumber than the drunkard Sarc.
Let’s not get carried away.
Protests *supporting* Islamists…
eDucAtE yOuRSeLf!
"Not sure what your point is."
You know exactly what my point is, Shrike. Stop playing disingenuous, you piece of shit.
"There has always been religious persecution punctuated by atrocities in shithole countries since the inception of mankind.
If you didn’t know that, educate yourself."
You can absolutely go and fuck yourself, Goebbels. What kind of psychotic excuse is, "Genocide happened before so why care now?"
Here's the thing, which I know you absolutely know: The Western clerisy is going nuts right now over a fake genocide of a terrorist organization, and the "plight" of a people who are doing pretty damned good for any minority population in the middle east. University campuses are in flames and terror supporters are blocking people from going to work.
Meanwhile, an actual, factual genocide has been slow rolling across the Middle East and North Africa, and your luvvies don't give even the tiniest of shits. Quite the opposite. It makes them happy.
50,000 Christians slaughtered by Boko Haram in Nigeria in the last three years, 120,000 Christians forced by gun to leave Azerbaijan last year, 100,000 Iraqi Christians killed or forced to flee their homes and leave all their property behind in the Nineveh Plains, 200,000 Christian Assyrians driven out or killed in Syria, the Palm Sunday massacres in Alexandria, ad nauseum.
But none of your Hamas fanatic pals in the universities give a shit about those minorities. Because they aren't anti-genocide, if they were they'd be horrified what is going on throughout the Middle East. They only care about Gaza because they are antisemites.
The topic (your topic) was religious extremism in Egypt, which like religious extremism in the Middle East and India, has been going on forever. No, it's not in the news, but most of what happens in the world never makes it into the US news. But now you're on the case! I'm sure that will change things for the Copts...
Who has "tacitly approved" of it? Some group of people whose collective mind you've read, based on their "priors"?
FYI, I don't approve of it, but you don't give a shit about that any more than you give a shit about who I am (not) or which group I actually belong to.
I have no problem with Israel executing every last Hamas member they can find. Hamas is a terrorist organization. I just think Israel should be following the rules of war, which they freely agreed to for some reason. And that its supporters stop wielding "antisemitism" as a sword.
As for the anti-Israel protests/demonstrations, college campuses should be cleansed of the rule-breakers, student and non-student alike--with all reasonable force (if necessary). None of this should surprise you.
The topic (your topic) was religious extremism in Egypt, which like religious extremism in the Middle East and India, has been going on forever.
No it wasn't. Don't try and gaslight me.
I explicitly stated what my topic was: "Here’s a recent part of a much bigger actual genocide going on across Middle East right now, that both the pro-Hamas demonstrators and Washington establishment tacitly approve."
Not "rELigOuS eXtrEmiSM". I was quite clear that I was talking about genocide, and I know that you know that. Also, this is every bit as much ethnic as religious, as the Assyrians, Copts, Yoruba, etc. aren't just religious minorities but also ethnic ones.
"No, it’s not in the news, but most of what happens in the world never makes it into the US news."
This is the part where you pretend actual genocide against tens and hundreds of thousands is like a phone scam in Mumbai or a pickpocket in Nigeria. Utterly disgusting. You are so horribly revolting.
There is only one reason you don't fucking care, and it's the same reason the Western press and the university protesters don't care. It's because you think dead Christians are a good thing. Christians are who you view as the actual threat for some psychotic reason or another.
It's the same reason why you'll support Muslim groups who are diametrically opposed to everything you are. Because you think that the enemy of your enemy is your ally, and imagine that once the Christian 'threat' is done away with you can deal with the dumb little regressives.
Where did you get the idea I "support" Muslim groups? Not from anything I've written here. Sorry to burst your bubble, but your little invented reality is complete and utter bullshit. Christian nationalism apparently allows you to "faithfully" make shit up.
As far as world religions go, in my unvarnished and unbiased opinion (as I am not a member of any religion) Islam is one of the least civilized, if you had asked me. (Not the dumbest major religion, though--that award probably has to go to LDS.)
We haven't made up a thing. There are reports everywhere that validates what Mother's Lament has said--it doesn't take "Christian nationalism" to know it's true, and you can't refute him.
You can't chalk it up to "religious extremism" either; if you want an example of a genocide committed by your ilk, look at what the atheistic Chinese government has done against the Muslim Uyghurs. And then there's all horrors from the likes of Stalin. Nothing in "the least civilized" Islam or from "dumbest" LDS people comes remotely close to this.
But nope, leftists won't bring up any of this. They know it would go against their narrative of singling out Israel--and their sympathy for Hamas is where their antisemitism comes in. You are lying and dishonest when you say your opinion is "unvarnished and unbiased".
ML's argument in a nutshell:
If there is a plane crash, and the major media outlets rushed to cover the plane crash, ML then comes along and says "but look at all the people who die in car wrecks! They are not covering that! IT's because they tacitly approve of people dying by car wrecks!"
Stupid analogy.
No, you dipfvck, there is a plane crash where the pilot flew his family into a mountain, and it gets all the coverage, and the are several 737s full of people shot down and they don’t get any.
Yeah, this falls into the "Jeff the Chemist is really bad at metaphors" category. Maybe something about unleashing bears from personnel carriers would get his point across better?
On a related note, a company that I worked for had the hired pilot steal the owners plane and crash it into the pilot's own damned house trying to murder-suicide his estranged wife. Thankfully, he died and his wife did not. We would really have appreciated something more horrible to divert the news that day.
Nope, mine is the better analogy. Because the Egyptian authorities oppressing Coptic Christians is like a car crash: it is so commonplace now, that it’s barely even a story, even before Oct. 7. It’s still horribly wrong, but there is no sinister motive behind why the Israel-Gaza war gets lots more coverage. It’s because it’s the “new thing”. Not because media companies are somehow in favor of oppressing Christians.
But I totally understand why those who are deeply committed to the narrative of "everything that my opponents do is evil" will find a way to spin every event into as big of a pile of evil as they can.
"The International Court of Justice (ICJ) in the Hague is expected to issue a decision today on whether military arms suppliers bear culpability for how the weapons are used."
Pretty sure that's the International Clown Show (ICS).
No, that's ICP. (Insane Clown Posse)
That’s usually Sarc’s nickname for me.
What's the difference? Other than ICP had a brief career in ECW (may still have not sure don't watch wrestling).
"Sodium Batteries From Michigan to Challenge Lithium’s Grip
Natron Energy’s batteries boast cheap materials, fast response."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-29/sodium-batteries-from-michigan-challenge-lithium-s-grip-on-energy-transition
Lower energy density is all you need to know, and we (slobberin' Joe) put $20M into it.
News from next year: GM and the UAW jointly announce the new Biden-EV, with twice the weight and half the range. Rumors about dysfunctional CPUs are ungrounded.
And a 20-hour charge time!
From a strictly technically functional standpoint, lower energy density is all you need to know.
From a more pragmatic, loose dysfunctional, Chemistry 101 standpoint (for those that remember it), if you thought Lithium fires were fun just wait until you get further down the periodic table.
So, not only do you need more of it to carry the same amount of power, it reacts more violently when exposed!
A *real* organic movement would weave its own tents from locally sourced materials.
And grow its own produce there watered with the tears of the oppressed.
And grow its own produce there watered with the tears of the oppressed.
Now with 200% more genocide!
It’s got what plants crave!
Electrolytes!
Again?! Wasn't that a Shad anarco-Anteefa thing?
Hey, Hank made a reference to something from only four years ago! Did they increase your meds, Hank?
Students at Columbia University have now taken over Hamilton Hall and started barricading it. They claim they've renamed it Hind's Hall...
They've taken off the name of a multiracial historical musical and replaced it with the name of John Kerry's wife???
Interesting logic. Does that mean Nicaragua is accepting culpability for the October 7th atrocities?
Nah. But they are jealous.
Only one side is calling for genocide, and it's not Israel.
Wars suck; Hamas shouldn't have started one.
There was a cease fire on Oct 6th, what happened?
There could have been a cease fire on any single day since Oct 7th, if Hamas had released all of their kidnap victims/hostages, and turned over the perpetrators and plotters of the horrific crimes from Oct 7th to face justice.
And there's no law or rule that a war of retaliation must be proportional to the attack that provoked it. The USA didn't stop attacking Japan after they had killed 2500 Japanese sailors, they kept going until Japan surrendered unconditionally.
>>why so many of the student-encampment tents look the same…
the Terrorist Section at R.E.I. is always popular
Imagine being so white that you favela in orderly queues.
>>"Parents are turning out to be unexpected but forceful opponents of schools' attempts to keep kids off their smartphones,
please continue proving the theory you are incapable of raising your own children your government loves it.
>>Public Policy asks whether progressive prosecutors lead to an increase in crime rates
Public Policy piqued the potency of progressive prosecutors.
>>"AI ruins education the way pulleys ruin powerlifting,"
ruins education ... shines light on ruling class lies ... makes funny racist & terrorist cartoon images ... but for the perpetual Cylon threat I'm kind of enjoying the a.i.
>>The Genocide Question
my genocide question: why is this place incapable of expressing understanding who the real genociders are?
"One very annoying thing about the way all this is covered is the way one angry group is treating these students as deranged Jew-hating zealots, while another is treating them as exemplars of pure altruistic virtue," writes Jesse Singal over at his Substack. "They're neither! They're college students!
How exactly does being a college student preclude being a Jew hating zealot? In fact college students have been society’s zealots for hundreds of years.
It’s strange those who defend left wingers have to resort to unsupportable kumbaya-ish platitudes to do so. I guess actual evidence wasn’t available.
Because most of them grow up?
Not based on the last 25 years or so.
If you say so.
>>the "coverage of the war in Gaza : coverage of campus protests about the war" ratio at the moment is not what I think it should be.
terrible coverage is to zero coverage, please as apples is to oranges
As usual, I hate to be a man about this but who the hell is Justin Vogt and how the hell am I supposed to know if he thinks the ratio is 10 and it should be 5 or 1 or 0.5 or 0.1? Or is 0.1 and it should be 0.5 or 1 or 5 or 10? Is it 0.1 and it should be 0? ∞? ∞ / ∞ or ~1? Only Liz knows. Maybe. Assuming she isn't stoned, female, or a stoned female.
I try to never blame the weed, but yes.
>>they've renamed it Hind's Hall
renaming a hall requires university committee approval.
LMAO, of course this is the response:
“Columbia University suspends press access on campus amid pro-Palestine protests”
https://justthenews.com/world/middle-east/columbia-university-suspends-press-access-campus-amid-pro-palestine-protests
love it. cut off the head.
"Hind Rajab, a 6-year-old girl who was killed by the Israeli military."
Proof?
How many different times was she killed?
And why should we care about her compared to the seven year old or nine year old girl that Hamas raped, mutilated and then killed in front of her parents on October 7th?
That's the calculation you perform in your head, is it? You "compare" atrocities, and then decide which one to care about...
It shows the true colors of the protesters--they don't care if the victims are Jewish. What part of that do you not get?
A non-Hamas "both sides" comparison for campus free speech activities...
Students holding campaign signs for a Republican for the District told to leave campus by university rep and police. Students with LBGT+ signs at same event permitted to continue.
https://twitter.com/AprilCromerSC/status/1777545489665126543
University later says the rep was wrong and that no policies were being violated.:
During Saturday’s spring football game, an incident occurred in which a student organization was improperly asked to curtail an exercise of free speech. This isolated occurrence has been addressed both with the student organization, which will not face any sanctions or discipline, as well as with security personnel. We will continue to educate both University employees as well as contracted security personnel on the rights and policies regarding free speech on Clemson’s campus.
As a campus community, we recognize our role as a marketplace for the exchange of ideas and support the right for students to assemble and express their views
– Clemson University
"This is probably correct, and I too am guilty of it:"
Number of journalists killed covering Gaza: 97
Number of journalists killed covering Columbia: 0
A bizarre comparison.
The author was comparing the amount of press coverage of Columbia with that of Gaza, implying the latter was more consequential than the former.
Right. Still a bizarre comparison.
It's even more bizarre than comparing inaugural address crowd sizes between Obama and Trump. I don't write these articles. I just do comments.
It's almost like embedding yourself with terrorists (if not actually literally being one yourself) during a war can be dangerous.
Doing just about anything in Gaza can be dangerous. That was part of the point I was trying to make: Liz, and the people she follows on Twitter would rather report from the safety of New York than a more dangerous place like Gaza. Hence the imbalance of coverage.
Doing just about anything in Gaza can be dangerous.
I’m sure that has to do much more with being run by a terrorist group than anything else. Could you be anymore disingenuous?
I was under the impression there weren't Walmarts in NYC.
You don't need a Walmart, you just need an organization funded by Soros to order cheap-ass Night Cat tents to distribute, or order up a tent from Amazon to pick up at the Post Office.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/palestinians-killed-israeli-strikes-safe-zones-exclusive-nbc-report-rcna148008
Likely Israel declared them safe zones, so Hamas set up operations in said safe zones and then the IDF used precision strikes to take out Hamas, and no one blames Hamas but blamed the IDF. Because that's par for the course. Why not blame the motherfuckers who think using women, children and the elderly as human shields is allowed?
"so Hamas set up operations in said safe zones "
Hamas has always been in Rafah. Hamas is the government of Gaza. They run the administration, the police, the health ministry, education etc. Israel once presided over a military government of Rafah and the rest of Gaza, but they found that the occupation of a resentful and hostile populace an expensive, dangerous and thankless task. Israel then handed over to Hamas and let them administer the enclave, including Rafah.
"Why not blame the motherfuckers who think using women, children and the elderly as human shields is allowed?"
The Israeli army indiscriminately kills women, children and the elderly whether they're Palestinian or not. A human shield of any religion, age, nationality, sexual orientation isn't going to shield a Hamas fighter from being shot by the IDF. We all know this, so why the pretense?
GFY, you lying hack POS.
And Look up “indiscriminate” before ever using any more big words
Just a while ago the IDF shot and killed two men half naked carrying a white flag speaking Hebrew. They were unarmed. You can't get much more indiscriminate than that, seeing as how they were on the same side. Now, anyone who believes that a militant from Hamas would force a civilian, Palestinian or Israeli, to shield him from Israeli fire needs to have their head examined. We all know the human shield business is ridiculous. It's time to get serious. Israel is facing an historic defeat. These propaganda talking points aren't helping.
There's nothing "indiscriminate" about war operations. You don't get faulted if Hamas puts civilians in areas that were once declared "safe zones". You haven't been able to refute this.
Repent of your antisemitism. DeAnnP should do likewise.