These States Want You To Show ID To Watch Porn Online
At least eight states have already enacted age-verification laws, and several more are considering bills.

The latest trend in anti-sex action is carding people to watch porn online. After years of passing resolutions to declare porn a "public health crisis," state lawmakers are coalescing on age-verification measures as a way to address this alleged scourge.
At issue is minors' ability to access online pornography. Even when porn platforms technically require visitors to be age 18 or older, all minors usually have to do is check a box saying they're adults and they're in. Some parents and politicians want more stringent age-verification measures.
Enter laws requiring porn platforms to verify visitor ages. Such laws have already taken effect in at least eight states (Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, North Carolina, Texas, Utah, and Virginia), and bills to do the same were introduced in at least 11 other states in 2023. So far in 2024, legislators in at least seven states (Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Ohio, and Oklahoma) have introduced such porn age-verification bills. While the particulars vary, most would result in all visitors to web-based adult-content platforms having to submit a government-issued ID proving their age, either directly to the platform or through a third-party verification service.
Supporters of such measures say it's no different than carding people in stores who try to buy age-restricted merchandise. But there's a big difference between momentarily flashing your ID in front of a store clerk and submitting it to a website or app. The latter creates a record, permanently attaching real identities to online activity that many people would prefer stay private.
From a privacy perspective, there are better and worse ways to verify ages on websites. (And not just porn sites: Some legislators now want to require them for social media.) But even the best verification methods would leave people vulnerable to hackers and snoops—and we can't count on authorities (or tech platforms, for that matter) to enact online age-verification measures in the best ways. These measures are shaping up to be a giant privacy nightmare.
And for what? Porn websites could get around laws such as Louisiana's—which applies only to sites where more than a third of the content is "harmful to minors"—by padding their archives with nonpornographic content. Teenagers could get around state prohibitions by using a virtual private network to mask their location, visiting platforms based outside the U.S., or viewing porn on private message boards and the like.
Voluntary, tech-based ways to help parents prevent kids from visiting porn sites would be better. Perhaps rather than creating giant, privacy-infringing schemes, we should recognize that porn is a pervasive part of the digital ecosystem and that curiosity about sex is an undeniable part of adolescence. Stopping motivated teens from any exposure to online porn is impossible—but equipping teens to understand issues like consent, sexual safety, and personal vs. porn sex is not.
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OK, this topic is worn out.
Seriously. You're starting to sound like Camp and her half dozen articles about it being too hard to go online to get a government handout for college.
We get it. Find something actually libertarian to write about. You've done this. And done it. And done it. And done it.
Not to mention kick every other political impetus they’ve had over the past several years squarely in whatever genitals they identify with.
What are we supposed to do? Seize and expel the legislatures of Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, North Carolina, Texas, Utah, and Virginia? Expel the State government and prevent them from representing their people? So that online porn purveyors who have zero problems bailing on their customers in the region can continue to sell porn to minors with feigned ignorance?
Remember the transgender bathroom panic? Remember how not compelling private entities to support their requisite biological functions to their specifications was a criminal social injustice? Yeah, viewing porn isn’t a requisite biological function. Remember all the cries about teaching queer sex ed to Kindergartners? Again, not a biological function but they sure as hell were willing to outright lie and void parents’, men and women, agency in order to make it happen in a state in which they don’t even reside.
“I’m not upset that you lied to me, I’m upset that from now on I can’t believe you.” ― Friedrich Nietzsche
It would be libertarian if she were saying we shouldn't have to show government id in all the places we do, instead of just for her favorite pastime.
You misspelled fatally idiotic pseudo-religion.
If these articles were as unfocused as you are asking they'd either be twenty pages long or so vague as to be unintelligible.
Also, this is just porn. It's not a big deal. Parents are responcible for their children and if they want to restrict access then they need to be the ones to do the job. If they are computer illiterate yet want their kids to have limited internet access they can have professionals instal the software that limits access for them.
Liberty is worn out?
You know you don't have to read every article, right?
It's not the liberty aspect.
It's the repetition of this specific topic. There have to be a million violations of liberty to choose from, Do one on pornhub, then do one one any one of the 999,999 others out there.
Reason gets on these jags, where they just hang on something. How many articles did we see on Texas and Florida the last few years? How many on the other states? I'd wager California, Illinois, Washington, Massachusetts, or even the flyover states all have things of interest happening regarding liberty, but for a while there it was 3 Desantis stories a week, minimum.
Spread it out.
Again, not to mention that the whole beauty of free market libertarianism is that you actually could publish 101 articles on “101 ways everyone form Montanans to Texans to Virginians could establish a private adult registry without using government guns.” but, instead, we get 101 iterations of “Can you believe that there are people who don’t think the act of selling porn to minors is Constitutionally protected free speech?” gaslighting… from Elizabeth “No bodies in the placenta or the delousing chamber means no humans are being killed.” Nolan Brown… in the background of ‘Will SCOTUS uphold the ghost gun ban and hear the case on the ban on all private transfers with or without ID? Stay tuned to find out!’… no less.
TBF, these websites aren’t selling porn, they’ve been handing it out for free and people have gotten use to that.
The writers at Reason are trying to attract new blood to the party. They aren't trying to mine the Conservatives for members because that has failed for 50 years. So they are publishing more articles intended to bring moderate Democrats into the party. So instead of all guns guns guns they are writing about different topics.
That has almost never worked, as leftist are inherently collectivist in their solutions.
The thumbnail should have been Ctrl+Shift+N not xxx
https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/pfecfaqs
Additionally, because a valid California Driver’s License or Identification Card is required to purchase a firearm, someone with a suspended or expired driver’s license is not prohibited from possessing firearms but is unable to purchase a firearm without a valid driver’s license or identification card.
And your point?
As with the others, I find it frustrating and pointless, but this isn't the hill you want to make a stand on. The protection of children from explicit materials is an agreed societal standard as a function of government. The tracking of this is not a significant difference. Considering the number of far more significant ways I am being tracked by banks and corporations, I would say that it's the least of my worries.
Except leftists like ENB don't accept protecting children as a societal standard, they want children sexualized, confused and abused as early as possible.
Blah blah blah... you disagree with her so she's a leftist and all the bad things. This is getting old.
Reason has wisely realized Conservatives are a dead end on actual individual liberty. For 50 years the party has tried to recruit from the right. Which has done us nothing. Guns guns guns just gets old after a while.
Left leaning folks are realizing the Democrats are going way far left and are being abandoned. So now the folks at Reason are writing articles that focus on the liberties that those on the left are interested in to recruit from that pool. It can't fail more than trying to get Conservatives interested in liberties beyond guns.
These laws don't protect children. Parents protect children. And we parents already have all the tools we need. "Won't someone think of the children" is a flagrant pretext that should be called out and stopped.
The laws don't protect everyone equally either. Now, go ahead and tell me that we should ignore laws that discriminate against people and institutions unfairly.
Please don't tell me what I want. Especially when you lie up front about what the "agreed societal standard(s) as a function of government" are. I did not agree to them and very large numbers of Americans have never agreed to them. People like you IMPOSED your morals on everyone else without their agreement and then tried to claim that your coercion represents a general agreement. Some day - when you have overstepped the final limit - there will be a reckoning! I suspect it is coming sooner than you might have planned on.
I did not agree to them and very large numbers of Americans have never agreed to them.
Did you ask them or just assume they agree with you?
Some day – when you have overstepped the final limit – there will be a reckoning!
Spoken like a true man of hypocritical faith. Give us all another lecture about exactly how we should believe in the things you yourself don't believe in. Retard.
Reason isn't trying to please Republican Theocrats. Why bother since they won't be happy unless the LP becomes another Theocrat party. So now they are pushing topics moderate democrats will respond to as their party goes into far left loony land. You're concerns are not the concerns of Libertarians. We no longer give a shit about you.
The latter creates a record, permanently attaching real identities to online activity that many people would prefer stay private.
Why do they want it to stay private? Why do they care? If they're so pro-pornography - to the point that they think children should have easy access to it - what's the issue?
And let's not kid ourselves - it's not "flashing a card" at a store clerk anymore. That card has a barcode on its back. That barcode is scanned and compared to a DMV registry which returns a T/F value to the digital query about age eligibility.
You're comparing outdated measures of verification with current ones. But you're doing it on purpose because you know that if you compare Then-to-Then or Now-to-Now directly, that your argument will fail in both cases.
From a privacy perspective, there are better and worse ways to verify ages on websites.
And yet, you offer neither. Because we all know ENB, at the end of the day, you want kids to have easy access to pornography. Because it's not about porn or privacy with you people - it's about grooming children.
And nothing must interfere with that.
Really? People against showing govt issued ID’s to view online content are against it because they want to groom children? Jesus Christ you people are stupid.
I hope you live in one of these states. I hope you somehow found a way to find someone to willingly procreate with you and I hope your child steals your identification and use it to access the nastiest legal porn that exists. Then I hope one day that the christian crusaders audit people’s online porn habits and you are at the top of the list for the sickest porn addict in your state.
Whatcha going to do when the 'groomer' is inside the house and in the mirror???
For conservatives the first amendment means you can be any kind of Bible thumping wacko you want to be.
I've not uttered one word of theological argument. But I get it, that's you being lazy and going straight to straw man.
Lay down with dogs don't be shocked when you wake up with fleas.
You know I can help you, MrMx. If you want.
Really? People against showing govt issued ID’s to view online content are against it because they want to groom children?
There's no valid basis for an objection to a very simple non-intrusive safeguard against an activity people who engage in it claim not to be ashamed of in the first place, in order to help keep kids away from it.
ANY argument you make to the contrary necessarily implies you want kids to have easy access to smut. And there's only ONE reason why anyone would want that. It's the SAME reason folks like ENB talk about "better ways" - but then NEVER offer any. Because they don't actually want kids safeguarded against accessing smut.
They want you to think they do, but what they actually want is to groom the kids by means of facilitating their exposure to that which will desensitize them to and make them receptive towards social/cultural corruption.
Then I hope one day that the christian crusaders audit people’s online porn habits and you are at the top of the list for the sickest porn addict in your state.
A) Why would you want that for me or anyone else? See, this goes to the ultimately Marxist heart of the issue. Marxists always want the worst for people. They want to see everyone brought low. They want everyone miserable. They want the destruction of ability, and with it the destruction of greatness and happiness.
I would never want that for you. We disagree on a subject, but I don't want bad things to happen to you because of it. You are literally arguing in favor of convenient access to pornography for children. That's one of the most awful things in the world, but I still don't want bad things for you because of it. Why do you, and have you ever done any serious reflection on whatever your answer is?
B) I don't answer to them. They could destroy my reputation, force me out of a job, turn me destitute, and convince every person who ever had my back to abandon me - but guess what: I know better. I know that the slander is false. I know that I don't engage in such deprativity. I know that they are objectively wrong, and that I am not. That is NOT something they can take away from me, even if they try to take everything else.
Maybe you're afraid of such a fate - "how many fingers am I holding up, Winston" - but when you are on the side of Good, Right, True, and Beautiful, you need never fear such things.
Whatcha going to do when the ‘groomer’ is inside the house and in the mirror???
It'll never be an issue.
"Why do they want it to stay private? Why do they care? If they’re so pro-pornography – to the point that they think children should have easy access to it – what’s the issue?"
The issue is privacy, and your attempts to heap scorn on the right to privacy by insinuating that people who want to maintain their privacy are hiding something shameful is rejected with extreme prejudice.
Why do they want it to stay private? Why do they care? If they’re so pro-pornography – to the point that they think children should have easy access to it – what’s the issue?
The "If you have nothing to hide..." argument never gets old.
It’s not a “if you have nothing to hide” argument. It’s a you’re already NOT hiding it argument. So, what’s the big deal if you have to verify your age, if it’ll help even slightly in keeping kids from accessing smut?
Unless, of course, your goal is for children to easily access smut. In which case, admit and own that.
Is it shameful? Is the viewing of pornography something to be ashamed of? I’m willing to bet ENB would say no. But what about you?
And, please, spare me the privacy angle. There IS no more privacy in the digital age. We traded it all away for convenience and entertainment. What we’re talking about can’t be done wearing a trenchcoat and keeping your eyes downcast as you slink through skid row on the other side of town anymore. You’re leaving behind a footprint everywhere you go. You think your ISP doesn’t know you’re viewing porn? Your cellular provider? Do you think the millions of little data packets you’re sending don’t know where you came from, how long you spent there, and where you went afterwards when you browse the web? Do you think the camera in your laptop/tablet/cell/smartwhatever can’t see you, or the microphone can’t hear you, or that every keystroke or mouse movement isn’t captured and recorded? Do you think your wearable or biometric-capable devices can’t detect the changes in your heart/respiratory rate and body temperature and blood pressure? Do you think the various RFIDs you carry around all the time aren’t receiving/transmitting any time they can? Sure, you may comfort yourself with some kind of believable panacea thinking “I use VPNs and faraday cages and airgapped devices” – but it’s just a lie you tell yourself. And moreover, if you’re going to that length just to view pornography – then what does it say about how YOU feel deep down about what you’re doing?
The modern cosmopolitan citizen spends literally THOUSANDS of dollars every year on gadgets and gizmos which intentionally sacrifices their privacy. And they don’t even care. Want me to prove it? When’s the last time you rejected a product after you read every line of its T&C/PPs? Heck, for that matter, when’s the last time you even read one at all before just quickly clicking through it to start playing with your new toy?
So, spare me the nonsense. Americans don’t care a lick about privacy. But for some reason folks like you are going to sit there and pretend to for no other reason than to protest against safeguards that aim to keep children away from pornography.
OK groomer.
More ?blessings? of putting the Gov 'Guns' in charge of raising everyone's kids. Maybe everyone should just hand their kids over to the state. Apparently that is the end-goal here.
Or how about just cutting the grift. If you're a parent who wants age-verification you can pan out the MONEY it's going to cost for it instead of shoveling that bill off onto others who don't want it anyways with Gov 'Guns'.
The US is on the brink of becoming another [Na]tional So[zi]alist nation and BS like this isn't helping any.
You can’t expect parents to actually parent their children, that’s crazy talk.
You have no idea *You* have no idea:
Nighttime driving restrictions — Sun.-Thurs., 10 p.m.-6 a.m.; Fri.-Sat., 11 p.m.-6 a.m. (local curfews may differ).
Remember back in the day when Gwen Stefani was singing about this in a somewhat anachronistic parody of the The Patriarchy/Moral Majority upbringing that her Conservative California parents imposed on her in the 90s?
Those evul patriarchal white male evul christian fascist conservatives never rest!
No one expects the patriarchal white male christo fascist? (Sorry, that was a horrible attempt at a joke)
Those driving rules seem to be the same as I had all those years ago, minus the cellphone and texting bits.
I’m just wondering when people will lobby the government to force all vehicles to require an ID before activating the ignition. Gosh; Who is going to stop my teenagers from driving illegally! /s
Those driving rules seem to be the same as I had all those years ago, minus the cellphone and texting bits.
Not mine. The whole point of the license (and keys and registration) was that you were fully done. As long as you weren't driving a bus full of 30 passengers, something that would get someone over the age of 16, 17, and 18 pulled over, you weren't breaking the any laws.
More critically, unlike porn, Ford isn't chomping at the bit to sell cars to 13 yr. olds online or get them to work in their factory or learn to drive in the 3rd grade the way Disney and Nickelodeon and barely legal porn and the DNC have been pushing for kids to be regulated and sexualized even in spite of their parents wishes. From the other side, no one is quoting The Book of Armaments as to the exact number of non-blood-relatives allowed in the car with a 16 yr. old driver as opposed to an 20 yr. old driver.
It's convenient to act like and say "Oh, it's just über Conservative religious types and lazy parents." but there's also a fairly considerable "I've been to strip clubs. I looked at porn when I was underage. I don't have any kids and 18 may not be the best line but it is a line and there are some genuinely godawful adults who would do everything they can to subvert that line no matter how far back you marched it because they already do it now."
"... there's a big difference between momentarily flashing your ID in front of a store clerk and submitting it to a website or app ..."
No, Liz, there's NO difference between those things. How can a purported libertarian attack egregious violations of our rights with such weak arguments? Peeling back the layers of this: people should NOT be required to show ID in stores to "purchase age-restricted merchandise" - there should BE no age-restricted merchandise in the first place! Going a step further back: there should be NO requirement for adults to have official ID anywhere within the borders of the United States of America. It should not be government's job to license activities (businesses, trades, professions, driving) and they should not have the authority to do any of those things in the first place. It's YOUR job to prevent your children looking at porn or buying booze, and I do not consent to your giving away MY rights in some misguided attempt to protect the morals of society at large. Online porn is just the tip of the iceberg. The only legitimate function for government and laws is to punish a limited number of well-defined crimes: robbery, assault and battery, murder, kidnapping and damage to property. Ignoring all these other antecedents is essentially conceding the authority to government that it should never have had in the first place! For shame!
I may as well pile on - - - -
"But there's a big difference between momentarily flashing your ID in front of a store clerk and submitting it to a website or app."
Unless, of course, you are "momentarily flashing your ID" to board a plane, buy a firearm or ammunition, at a store that scans the id to access a state approval program, etc, etc.
If you really, really, want kids to get porn, just say so.
This surely an infringement of the first amendment, but it is much milder than the infringements of the second amendment.
"If you really, really, want kids to get porn, just say so."
Frankly; Other's kids are none of my business nor are they gun toting politician mad-men's and I'd much rather leave them be than start pulling out 'guns' to stop them.
This whole narrative that if 'guns' (gov-guns) don't stop/ban everyone and everything then supposedly everyone has to do it is a false-negative and complete BS founded in the idea the 'government' is the mother-ship of mindless idiotic robots.
I have to flash my ID to buy alcohol online.
If you really, really, want kids to get porn, just say so.
Again, if you start some weird cult in a compound out in Ruby Ridge, ID or Waco, TX... as long as you aren't abducting kids from the local community or forcing everyone to drink cyanide-laced Kool-Aid, I will absolutely beat the war drums against anyone kicking your doors in, largely without regard to what's happening inside. I'll even keep the candle burning decades later. You want to groom kids, there's an entire state with a storied history that's got your name on it.
But you want to disingenuously tell me that the FF unquestionably enshrined a federally-protected right to sexualize (school) children in every last corner of these United States into the 1A even, in many cases, against their family's wishes, and you can fuck right the hell off. Because, as indicated, this war has been fought, more than once, and your side lost, more than once, and abused its power anyway, and lost, and to turn around now and act like none of it happend... and abuse your authority, makes it seem an awful lot like you aren't just protecting, but expanding your ability to abuse power and your authority more than anything else.
But you want to disingenuously tell me that the FF unquestionably enshrined a federally-protected right to sexualize (school) children in every last corner of these United States into the 1A even, in many cases, against their family’s wishes, and you can fuck right the hell off
I don't think they even thought about this issue.
But not for the reasons you might think.
Many of the FF grew up in single room homes where mommy and daddy were making brothers and sisters for them while they were sleeping in the same room.
Parents handled such issues individually.
'Childhood' was not the the plastic wrapped safe space we have today. And 'marriageable age' would scandalize people today.
Pornography was an expensive luxury.
But sex was more visceral and commonplace.
Different time. Different minds.
Franklin was known for his naughty etchings. He was a dirty old man.
I don’t think they even thought about this issue.
...
Different time. Different minds.
[sigh] FFS. Didn't think about age of consent, requisite state-sponsored schooling, or the disparity of the sexes?
You're absolutely right that the age of consent to sex/marriage was lower, but their minds weren't so different as to regard a 30, 40, or older man in a position of power taking a child against her will as normal, much less something the community or state should support or enforce as policy. We didn't just invent the idea to go to war with The Mormons and then to abandon it when it came to teaching kids to cut off their genitals in Florida. It's existed back to Ancient Greece and before, has been codified several different times by people like Gratian and pushed back against by decadent, failing, and criminal societies repeatedly.
As even Hank Phillips will duly remind you, the issue of consent and porn didn't just spring into existence in 1988 with the 2257 regulations.
Okay - I really, really, want kids to get porm. Exactly the same way I wanted to get porm when I was a kid and couldn't because, no internet.
Seriously, it's not just the fact that you're identifying yourself and a site has a record of it, it's the fact that porn sites are much more likely to be sketchy and it really ups the chances of you being identity victimized.
And I really don't have problem with kids seeing porm - or to put it in perspective, I have much more of a problem with kids being abused or brainwashed to the far left with all the shit going on today in schools.
Oh back in the bad old days of porn when you had to go to an unmarked building in a bad neighborhood to get whatever they had available. I mean, was it too much to ask for a steady stream of German Dungeon Porn!! Half the time it would be Asian Latex Bondage Porn! And we liked it! Because it built charachter while we walked uphill both ways to school in the driving snow!
I remember trying to figure out how to convince the clerk at the drug store that I was old enough to buy the various Detective magazines that were on the top rack behind the other boring magazines. But I couldn't so I was stuck with the old stack of Penthouse my father hid in the garage! But we liked it! It built charachter! Harumph, harumph!
for the utility, can I send the minor out for a sixer or to the local dispensary first before he gets lost on pronhub?
It's interesting - if I *buy* porn online I need to provide proof I am over 18.
But we're fighting for that to not happen for sites that are basically making ripped porn available to people for free.
Does pressing my dick into the fingerprint reader work?
America has gone mad!
The USA has a severe crisis of violent crime, school shootings and teen suicide, but we don’t censor violent content. Children watch hundreds of violent images daily and no ID requirement.
On the Republican side, arguably the most honest and most ethical Republican is Stormy Daniels. Far more qualified than most Republicans who swore an oath of office to the U.S. Constitution (politicians that promised GOD to not violate the First Amendment as part of their oath of office).
We have a Republican Speaker of the House in Congress that has a track record of not respecting the rulings of our very conservative U.S. Supreme Court. Johnson swore an oath of office to follow high court rulings.
European nations that aren’t as prudish as today’s Republicans, have lower violent crime rates and lower sexual crimes than the USA.
If Republicans want to win, run Stormy in 2024!
I am not sure if you are being sarcastic or not so take this reply in the best light possible, please.
The people calling for bans on violent video games, movies and music need to keep in mind in the 60s all the music was about peace and love between everyone and it didn't make people into pacifists.
Fucking LOL!
List of grenade attacks in Sweden
List of grenade attacks in The United States
Some must see films for Reason fans. 2 shows on the “Frontline” investigative TV reporting series:
1) “Deep in the Pockets of Texas”
2) “Michael Flynn’s Holy War”
In the first show is not only about Texas but other states with a similar system to subvert the constitutional system of government in the USA.
Many of these states with this foreign system of governing are coincidentally the same states requiring IDs in the Reason article. Must see films!
The horror! The horror! How can leftists and trannies groom our kids unless those kids can watch porn?