Alvin Bragg's 'Election Interference' Narrative Is Nonsensical
Since Donald Trump's alleged falsification of business records happened after he was elected president, he clearly was not trying to ensure that outcome.

A year after Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg announced 34 felony charges against Donald Trump, the former president's trial is about to begin. Yet people are still arguing about how to describe the case. This debate is not merely rhetorical. It reflects the disconnect between the counts that Trump faces, all of which allege falsification of business records, and the essence of his crime as Bragg sees it, which is hiding negative information from voters.
"Although it has long been referred to as the 'hush money' case," says CNN legal analyst Norman Eisen, "that is wrong. We should call it an 'election interference' trial going forward."
The reason people call it a "hush money case," of course, is that it would not exist but for the $130,000 that Trump lawyer Michael Cohen paid porn star Stormy Daniels shortly before the 2016 presidential election to keep her from talking about her alleged affair with Trump. But Eisen, who served as co-counsel to the House Judiciary Committee during Trump's first impeachment, joins Bragg in arguing that the significance of the case transcends those tawdry details.
"We allege falsification of business records to the end of keeping information away from the electorate," Bragg said in a January interview with NY1. "It's an election interference case." That sounds important, and it calls to mind the federal charges based on Trump's audacious attempts to remain in office after he lost the 2020 presidential election. But this characterization, which Bragg started emphasizing after Special Counsel Jack Smith unveiled the federal indictment last August, is hard to take seriously.
"As this office has done time and time again, we today uphold our solemn responsibility to ensure that everyone stands equal before the law," Bragg said when he announced the New York indictment in April 2023. "No amount of money and no amount of power changes that enduring principle." Underlining that point, Bragg added: "These are felony crimes in New York. No matter who you are. We cannot normalize serious criminal conduct."
Bragg was on firm ground in arguing that felonies are felonies. But why was this "serious criminal conduct"? Bragg's explanation was underwhelming: "True and accurate business records are important everywhere, to be sure. They are all the more important in Manhattan, the financial center of the world."
In addition to that eye-glazing gloss, Bragg presented the seed of his "election interference" argument. "We allege Donald Trump and his associates repeatedly and fraudulently falsified New York business records to conceal damaging information and unlawful activity from American voters," he said.
Mary McCord, executive director of the Institute for Constitutional Advocacy and Protection at Georgetown University Law Center, echoes that take in a recent New York Times discussion of the case. "The falsification of business records seems rock-solid based on the documentary evidence," she says. "The question for the jurors will be Trump's knowledge and intent." McCord thinks "it's a very winnable case for the D.A." because prosecutors "will give the jurors plenty of evidence" that Trump's motive in falsifying business records was "to prevent information damaging to candidate Trump from becoming public just weeks before the 2016 election."
If you read the indictment and the accompanying statement of facts, you will notice a glaring chronological problem with that account: The criminal conduct that Bragg alleges all happened after the 2016 election. Since Trump was already president, ensuring that outcome could not have been his motive.
Beginning in February 2017, the indictment says, Trump reimbursed Cohen for the hush money with a series of checks, which he disguised as payment for legal services. The indictment counts each of those checks, along with each of the corresponding invoices and ledger entries, as a distinct violation of a state law that makes falsification of business records "with intent to defraud" a misdemeanor.
Since all of this happened after Trump was elected, it is clearly not true that the allegedly phony records "conceal[ed] damaging information…from American voters" in 2016 or that the "falsification of business records" was aimed at "keeping information away from the electorate," thereby helping Trump defeat Hillary Clinton. Eisen concedes this temporal difficulty:
Election interference skeptics contend the charges here are for document falsification by the Trump organization in 2017, after the 2016 election concluded, to hide what happened the year before from being revealed. How can we call this an election interference trial, they ask, if the election was already over when the 34 alleged document falsification crimes occurred?
Those skeptics, Eisen says, overlook the fact that "the payment to Daniels was itself allegedly illegal under federal and state law" and "was plainly intended to influence the 2016 election." Although Cohen "was limited by law to $2,700 in contributions to the campaign," Eisen writes, "he transferred $130,000 to benefit the campaign, allegedly at Trump's direction. That is why Cohen pleaded guilty to federal campaign finance violations (in addition to other offenses), for which he was incarcerated. And no one can seriously dispute that the reason he and Trump allegedly hatched the scheme was to deprive voters of information that could have changed the outcome of an extremely close election."
Eisen glosses over the difficulty of distinguishing between personal and campaign expenditures in this context, which is crucial in proving a violation of federal campaign finance regulations. That difficulty helps explain why the Justice Department never prosecuted Trump for allegedly directing Cohen to make an excessive campaign contribution. Contrary to what Eisen says, there is a serious dispute about whether Trump "knowingly and willfully" violated federal election law.
In any case, it is too late to prosecute that alleged crime. And even if it weren't, Bragg would have no authority to enforce federal law.
Falsification of business records can be treated as a felony only if the defendant's "intent to defraud includes an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof." Bragg has mentioned a violation of the Federal Election Campaign Act as one possible candidate for "another crime." But it is plausible that Trump did not think paying off Daniels was illegal. If so, it is hard to see how his falsification of business records could have been aimed at concealing "another crime," even assuming that phrase includes violations of federal law, which also is not clear.
The legality of the hush payment is uncertain because it turns on whether Trump was trying to promote his election or trying to avoid personal embarrassment and spare his wife's feelings. The same ambiguity poses a challenge for Bragg in trying to convict Trump of felonies rather than misdemeanors: Did he falsify business records to cover up another crime or simply to keep his wife in the dark?
As Bragg sees it, Trump "corrupt[ed] a presidential election" by hiding information that voters might have deemed relevant in choosing between him and Clinton. But there is nothing inherently illegal about that: If Trump had persuaded Daniels to keep her mouth shut simply by asking nicely, the result would have been the same. Bragg's "election interference" narrative, insofar as it makes legal sense at all, requires showing that Trump not only tried to prevent a scandal but committed one or more crimes toward that end.
"People want the hush money case to be the big case that can take down Trump because it may be the only one that goes to trial before the election," UCLA election law expert Richard Hasen, one of the "skeptics" to whom Eisen alludes, writes in the Los Angeles Times. But "the charges are so minor I don't expect they will shake up the presidential race."
Hasen rejects Bragg's "election interference" framing. "Failing to report a campaign payment is a small potatoes campaign-finance crime," he says. "Willfully not reporting expenses to cover up an affair isn't 'interfering' with an election along the lines of trying to get a secretary of state to falsify vote totals, or trying to get a state legislature to falsely declare there was fraud in the state and submit alternative slates of electors. We can draw a fairly bright line between attempting to change vote totals to flip a presidential election and failing to disclose embarrassing information on a government form."
Although "I certainly understand the impulse of Trump opponents to label this case as one of election interference," Hasen adds, "any voters who look beneath the surface are sure to be underwhelmed. Calling it election interference actually cheapens the term and undermines the deadly serious charges in the real election interference cases."
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“In any case, it is too late to prosecute that alleged crime.”
“No person shall be prosecuted, tried, or punished for any violation of subchapter I of this chapter, unless the indictment is found or the information is instituted within 5 years after the date of the violation.”
I’m sure they will find a way around that if they want to.
Since Donald Trump's alleged falsification of business records happened after he was elected president, he clearly was not trying to ensure that outcome.
Sullum is as dumb as a stone. The election being interfered with could be the 2020 election, but it is this year's election!
Wow, that's some desperation there. I'm sure someone else will call Sullum dumb for not writing this article when the case was coming out. These guys can't win for losing. May as well write what they want and how they want it since some folks are just going to get their panties in a wad no matter what.
Most intelligent people knew the case was bullshit from the outset. Guess you didn't? Also many of us didn't need the NYT to signal the weakness of the case. Unlike Jacob.
I assumed the case was more of the same "We must destroy the Republic in order to save it" crap. But that's because I don't trust any level of government to do the right thing. Ever. My base assumption is always that government agencies act in their own best interests before acting in the best interests of the people.
Sullum clearly doesn't give a shit about pleasing the Pro Trump Cinservatives here and why should he? Since the Libertarian Party was founded the default assumption was we would get recruits from angry Republicans who saw the party becoming the party of slightly less socialism. That hasn't worked.
Reason, it looks to me, is trying the opposite, going after angry Democrats who see the Dem party leaving them behind as it runs to the far left. So they dont have knee-jerk reaction to save Trump because he is irrelevant to building the party.
Why should they give a shit about any Republican? They aren't going to become Libertarians because we don't want to criminalize sin. Just because we agree on guns is irrelevant. That's not the prime motivator of Republicans. It's their need to criminalize sin that will always divide us.
This is gibberish.
Why should any Reason writer care what a republican thinks or wants? No matter what Republicans will want to increase the size and intrusiveness of government to go after so called sins. Libertarians won't do that. Thus the impass and the reason that Reason doesn't write articles to please Republicans. They are writing articles to attract former Democrats who see the party as having left them behind. Going pro Trump won't win the party any new converts.
Ask Bill Cosby.
2 of the 7 seated jurors have already been removed. Going well.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/justice/2970729/trump-trial-second-juror-dismissed-dropping-jury-down-to-five/
It’s a circus.
“After the conference between the juror and Justice Juan Merchan, the judge said the juror “expressed annoyance about how much information was out there about him in the public.””
You and me both, bro…err, amigo. It's why I use a different e-mail and username on every online platform I use.
All twelve seated less than 2 hours after you gloated. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!
You take that as gloating? Lol. I was showing the circus of the trial retard. Merchan was able to get quite a few admitted Biden voters with anti trump posts after the strikes were used up. Still a clown show.
You pro banana republic cheerleaders are weird.
They're not sending their best.
Goddamn son.
How long until someone attacks the author, or did the grey box beat me to it?
Poor sarc, so many ideas.
Even as he admits that Sullum deserves it, Sarc has that driving need to be punished daily.
Fuck sarc. He has some kind of humiliation fetish.
Masochism?
Yes, pour, pour Sarc.
Awe, poor sarc.
Here for intelligent discussion. Never personal attacks. But think you said it best.
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Says the guy who mutes anyone who points out the logical conclusions of his emotional rants.
Those old threads of ken muting sarc and sarcs response are hilarious.
I miss Ken. Shame he lost it after the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
"grey box"
Nobody believes you.
That sure got the gnats in a tizzy. Only one missing is ICP.
Wait, so you have us all on mute but then you click on every post to see who posted it? LMAO that’s the most pathetic thing I’ve ever heard.
Come back next week, he’ll top himself.
Or should I have said bottom himself?
One never knows, do one.
By next week he’ll have taken us off mute and back on again. On accident, of course.
Oh har har, you implied I'm a fag! Har har! That's so 80s!
Seriously though, how many points did you get for that comment?
It’s extremely likely that you suck cock for booze money.
You implied everyone else is a gnat; how is that any different?
"It's ok for me to do it."
-sarc
Haha. ABC isn't on mute.
So he claims. Says I'm not mean enough. He still hasn't bought my book.
He is scared of books.
Haha, that means you’re nowhere near the top of the list.
I’m sure a deep dive into Sarc’s life would reveal far more pathetic behavior. Remember, this is a severe alcoholic who passes out in a pool of his own vomit every weekend and pisses himself.
Not that deep of a dive. Drunk ignorant alcoholic finished bottom half of the class. Blames everyone else for his failures. Got fired for drugs from the line cooks. Became homeless. Wife left him. Bad parenting leading to cops being called and a daughter who vandalized cars. Increased anger. Decided to pretend to be libertarian to justify his anger, didn't do the homework to understand the 10 or so quotes he pulled up one night. Continued to be an alcoholic blaming all his life problems on everyone else.
"We allege falsification of business records to the end of keeping information away from the electorate," Bragg said in a January interview with NY1.
Does not apply to Steele Dossier or the coordinated ex CIA letter about a laptop.
Because those are the new business as usual, whereas Trump's shoddy practices were the old business as usual.
Those aren't business records. This isn't rocket science, folks.
Those are “business records”, you fucking lefty ignoramus.
How is an open letter signed by 51 former intelligence officials a "business record"? What was the business? Where was it registered? Here's a snippet:
"We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement -- just that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case."
The whole indictment is premised on the idea that paying off Stormy Daniels was a campaign expenditure.
LMAO.
"It's an election interference case." That sounds important, and it calls to mind the federal charges based on Trump's audacious attempts to remain in office after he lost the 2020 presidential election.
Fuck you, Sullum. That could much more honestly be categorized as, "Trump's failed attempts to bring suit for election interference". Everybody knows you have TDS. You constantly highlight it with the asinine language you use.
Petitioning government or freely speaking is abhorrent to true libertarians.
All I said to my wife was "That election was conducted well enough for Beelzebub."
No, the writers here just have no reason to write anything positive about Trump. Those who support him aren't going to become actual Libertarians and are unlikely to do the real hard work of getting Libertarian candidates elected. They will just bitch and whine whenever Trump isn't portrayed as a heroic figure who selflessly is trying to save America.
Former Democrats are a better potential source of new Libertarians because many of them became Democrats because they knew they weren't stick up the ass wanna be theocratic Republicans. As the Democrat Party moves harder to the left it leaves a lot of people hanging. Writing blatant pro Trump propaganda will drive those new people away. Also your knee jerk reaction only cements these possible new party members by showing that Libertarians aren't a bunch of Trump sycophants.
Gabbard is a great example. She's dumped the anti gun plank of the DNC and now sounds like a full Libertarian. She wasn't that far from us when she ran against Hitlerly Clinton and got her eyes opened by being attacked by the Clinton Cult.
Those who support him aren’t going to become actual Libertarians and are unlikely to do the real hard work of getting Libertarian candidates elected.
I am an actual Libertarian. In Oregon, I could vote for Libertarian candidates. In Texas, I need to vote for the best candidate that can actually win. So far, that has never been a Democrat.
And where has that gotten you? Are you more free today than you were 10 years ago?
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. Elect Republicans get tyranny of another flavor. That's all.
Well, no. Because other people keep electing Democrats. I keep voting for Libertarians and they keep losing. When there’s no Libertarian running, I’ve never once felt that the Democrat running was better for freedom (almost all have been staunch anti-2A Demos as good little DNC-followers tend to be), so voted for Republican and they almost always win (local and state offices mostly). But nationwide, people keep electing more Democrats and things keep going down the toilet.
Funny how when Trump couldn't get any court to rule on the merits there was a peaceful transfer of power on Jan. 20. Seeking legal review and leaving office on schedule doesn't seem particularly audacious to me.
It's definitely a case of election interference.
It's just a debate on who is doing the interfering.
There's a guy at the top of the comments is pissed that Sullum isn't saying that the case is about election interference for this upcoming election cycle.
Dude just can't win. He may as well just ignore the comments since he can't make anyone happy.
"There’s a guy"
Bitch tactic. Only sarc is using similar language with his "they know who they are". You should either respond directly to people or stfu.
Your opinion is noticed and ignored. Half the comments here are people shitting on a handful of posters who aren't knee-jerk Conservatives.
The 2020 election was a clusterfuck. There are well documented violations of state and local voting standards all over the country: early voting, late voting, mail-in voting, unmonitored drop boxes, ballot harvesting, late ballots accepted. Meanwhile, numerous judges ruled that the People trying to sue over what were clear violations prior to election day didn't have standing. Calling Trump audacious for attempting to investigate and litigate the issues after the election is every bit as stupid as calling the protest turned riot on Jan 6 an insurrection.
"Journalists" like Sullum use loaded phrases and language to imply that Trump did a plethora of things that never occurred while never giving him credit for the things he actually did. Trump conceded and left the White House on schedule. Writing that Trump attempted to stay in office after his term expired is an outright lie.
Elections are always clusterfucks. It's theater to make the average folks think everything is fine. Those on the extremes are always unhappy even when their chosen candidate wins. Why bother looking for supporters in those extreems.
You get that this publication is as much about recruitment as it is making existing Libertarians happy. Right? So why bother saying things that will drive away moderate people and no matter what not make you happy?
Sullum, is that your sock?
Eisen says, overlook the fact that "the payment to Daniels was itself allegedly illegal under federal and state law" and "was plainly intended to influence the 2016 election."
Seeing as Congress has a literal slush fund to pay off and process NDAs for acts claimed here.. how is it illegal at the federal level? And is there an example at the state level?
And is there an example at the state level?
NYPD kept list of police misconduct hidden?
Also and can't remember but looking into Elliot Spitzer case might have parallels. Certainly their conduct was similar, paying hookers.
The legality of the charges or the chronology relied upon mean nothing. A NY (Dem) judge and a NY (Dem) jury will ensure Trump is found guilty with any exoneration on appeal long after the 2024 election.
This is the real goal.
Yup.
The process is the punishment.
I look forward to the Lifetime TV movie When Donnie Met Stormy.
How did you like the Hunter movie?
They're working on that. Joaquin Phoenix to play Hunter. Kind of a the Joker meets Caligula story. Oscar potential.
There already is a Hunter movie. How did you like it?
Missed it. Must have been on a wingnut stream.
Not aware of any naked kids in it so probably wasn’t posted on any of your preferred sites.
You wouldn’t have seen it. They have any scenes of Biden family pedophilia in the film.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.
New Oscar rules dictate that there must be some LBGTQFU theme in the movie to be eligible for nomination. What would it be?
The American people get fucked, what part of the rainbow is that?
The pinko commie part crossed with brown shirts.
turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Who would play Trump? Danny DeVito is too short.
Fat Val Kilmer is up to about 330.
https://fatvalkilmer.com/
Maybe David Bautista? Nah. Too eloquent.
Maybe Ron Jeremy.
Being that he can't stand trial due to advanced dementia, I think he should play Biden, not Trump.
How did date night go for you two?
It was full of ideas!
Their ‘discourse’ is just sad.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Alec Baldwin, of course!
What's up with leftist always being absolute garbage? It's almost like it's a requirement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J0-ZatDHug
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
They're going to convict him.
The evidence/law is irrelevant.
Will his supporters do something about it? Will he get to be the American Mandela? Will we become a people's republic?
Big House, White House, what's the difference?
Trump, Biden, what's the difference?
Yet you pick Biden every time.
Grey box says what? It's retarded? Idk why you people insist on interacting with sarc and squirrel.
The others may be paid shills, so it kinda makes sense. But those two? Come on, man?!
No Malarkey for dog-faced pony soldiers.
I see you’ve been impressing the trolls lately. How many points do you get for that comment? Did you win a lolly? What flavor?
And great performance for the asshats who have me on mute. Got to keep telling lies so they don’t read what I actually write. Well done.
You do need practice to reach Jesse’s level of mendacity. You do occasionally slip up and tell the truth. He’s never done that. Not once. Slacker.
Just to clarify, I'm calling you a slacker, not Jesse.
For someone youre ignoring you sure do bring me up a lot. Lol.
C'mon man! It's the only fun he's got!
It’s a sad life.
Jesse, he will NEVER ignore you. Without you he has nothing.
I complete him????
I'm glad you're not calling me Jesse. That shows progress on your part.
Poor sarc.
It's never his fault. Everyone else is the problem.
Everything is so terrible and unfair.
That is most undoubtedly true.
You were ahead of your time.
Nelson Mandella was, in the words of a fellow from South Afrrica I know, a fuckin' commie bastard. The guy left South Africa after Mandella came to power. Saw the writing on the wall.
Defeatism sure seems to appeal to the Trumptisti.
The criminal conduct that Bragg alleges all happened after the 2016 election. Since Trump was already president, ensuring that outcome could not have been his motive.
"Oh, very well. Ensuring the outcomes of the 2020 and 2024 elections was his motive."
Sullum is wrong. The hush money payment happened before the election. Paying Cohen from business accounts happened after the election. The second crime was the cover-up of the first.
You seem to be well versed in activist narratives. Are you aware of the John Edwards case or the fact Bidens DoJ chose not to charge the federal crime? Lol of course not. Youre a leftist useful idiot.
When you say crime, what statute are you referring to?
They really aren’t sending their best.
I have whatever sock puppet muted but they aren't bright enough to understand paying hush money isn't a crime. It's an agreement.
Now if he paid for anything from his campaign funds is a different story because you can only do that as a Democrat.
The question is whether the first was a crime at all. But yes, the second alleged crime was connected to the previous payment.
What exactly led to philosophers overthrowing world powers in the 18th/19th century? Dunno. But the big brains need to start thinking again. Mob rule ain't it. Progressive technocracy ain't it either.
I'd take a random dictator with a guaranteed change of power after 6 years at this point.
Note; executing/imprisoning the prior leadership would be against the rules. (Even if they're Clintons)
So no way we could make an exception for the Clintons? What about Obama?
"I'd rather be ruled by the first 100 people in the Boston phone book than the Harvard faculty."
I still say we should run elections like lotteries. Take all the tax returns submitted to the federal government and start picking them out of a hat. Well, a really BIG hat. First select a president, a vice president and a series of cabinet positions. Then divide the returns by states and select two names for the Senate then enough for all the representatives the state gets. Let the states do whatever they want to put a government together.
So random people should rule us? Seems like you're almost to anarchism, but scared.
I'd rather have no government but odds are we can't get that to happen so if we must have government at least have the people who run it have no desire to be there and want only to get out of the job as quickly as possible. Far better than career politicians.
I'd rather be ruled by no one.
So would I. But odds of that are real slim. Not that my ideas have much of a chance of happening.
well, maybe not boston, but y'all get the idea...
old joke. what's the hardest part about being from southie? shutting the fuck up about it. that one works well with vegan too
It's a good thing dictators are sticklers for following the rules, so we won't have to worry at all about him/her leaving after 6 years.
So now the question is, "What is to be done?" If the prosecutors and the judge are blowing off the law, where does this end?
All I know is if this ends in guilty, and the DA is found to have violated the law by the appeals court, he will be promoted like Jack Smith.
That depends on whether you believe in the legal process and the rule of law or not.
If you do, the legal processes will play out, and eventually a final determination will be made on the facts and the law.
If you don't, then you can derive comfort from knowing with your customary absolute certainty that you are right and everyone else is wrong.
hack attorney got hisself elected. proceeded to prove he's a hack. if this one goes against trump the appeal will be BRUTAL.
"As Bragg sees it, Trump "corrupt[ed] a presidential election" by hiding information that voters might have deemed relevant in choosing between him and Clinton."
Wait till we tell you about Biden and his operatives strongarming social media companies and networks to bury the Hunter Laptop story.
Always up for a good story. Go ahead!
The cases has one cause -- a self center ego maniac District Attorney. For once, Trump is right. The case is B*sh*t. Furthermore it is so transparently garbage, it tarnishes all the other legit cases against Trump. I hope the defense make another motion to dismiss and the judge throws the case out. Certainly a non-suit after the prosecution case will be in order.
There are no ‘legit’ cases against Trump.
I think you mean St. Donald.
Stuff your TDS up your ass; your head is asking for company.
How can you write this story and not mention once that Daniels denies the affair happened? Or that it was Cohen she was banging? Or that Trump doesn't personally accept invoices from lawyers and cuts the checks and enters them into the ledger? It's a crock they know it's a crock and that's fine the procedure is the punishment. You can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride.
She has publicly stated that she had the affair. Called it "worst 90 seconds of my life". Expect sordid details in her testimony. And expect all the religious moralists to continue to support Trump. Hypocrites.
https://twitter.com/TrumpDailyPosts/status/1778096929316184311?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1778096929316184311%7Ctwgr%5E0c6e1e8e4d388901cc8219bd3cce0cdb739f397f%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yahoo.com%2Fentertainment%2Fstormy-daniels-drags-donald-trump-191552282.html
So the steaming pile of lefty shit AKA charliehall is full of shit? Imagine my surprise!
Can't wait for Merchan to find a reason to not allow that as evidence. Excuse of reasons. Or him not to allow Cohen 2 perjury charges.
At this point he's probably already accepted none of this case will stand up to appeal, so he might as well go full retard.
Without consequences for corrupt judges what does he care?
The consequences for having an appeals rule your acts were unconstitutional or wrong seems to be promotion. See Jack Smith.
That may or may not be authentic (why did she sign the letter using her porn name?), but she also admitted the "affair" in interviews in 2019 and 2021. You could look it up...
She may have a credibility issue as a result, but that would be somewhat mitigated if it is proven that Trump paid $130,000 to keep her story out of the news cycle in the run-up to the 2016 election.
So TDS-addled shits like you are going with it?
She may have a credibility issue as a result, but that would be somewhat mitigated if it is proven that Trump paid $130,000 to keep her story out of the news cycle in the run-up to the 2016 election.
Even if the payment was to "keep her story out of the news cycle in the run-up to the 2016 election", it was no crime.
She's a porn star. Pretty sure she's had worse 90 seconds.
The crime was covered up after the election but took place before: the crime was to conspire to boost his election chances by paying hush money....and then the records were falsified to conceal this conspiracy. Bragg has artfully designed the case to avoid any defense based on the records being falsified after the election, since the crime of concealing the payments to boost election chances was before.
It’s a bullshit case. Period.
If Bragg had only charged Trump with misdemeanors this would be an open and shut case that would result in convictions on all 34 counts, with a potential for a 17 year prison sentence with maybe ten minutes of jury deliberation. Prosecutors routinely overcharge so that juries who want to be lenient will still convict on lesser charges. Any decent attorney would tell Trump to cop a plea. But Trump prefers to risk the rest of his life in prison.
The steaming pile of TDS-addled lefty shit AKA charliehall is full of shit.
You're not a real person. What I can't figure out is if you're a retard or someone paid to spew bullshit.
Yes.
Possibly shrikes protégé
I like liberal activist law schools. They just make whatever claim their betters want.
"If Bragg had only charged Trump with misdemeanors this would be an open and shut case that would result in convictions on all 34 counts, with a potential for a 17 year prison sentence with maybe ten minutes of jury deliberation. "
Statute of limitations having run out does not seem to be an impediment for you.
There is likely no way these would be consecutive sentences even if convicted on all counts. Its one course of conduct. The misdemeanors would be time barred yes...but even if he is convicted of all counts as felonies -- - i would be shocked if consecutive sentencing is even possible. *Disclaimer* I am obviously in the midwest so don't practice in NY. But in most states; the charges would need to be much more serious or involve violence or perhaps multiple victims for consecutive sentencing to come into play. This is one scheme with multiple steps to carry it out. Most likely concurrent. So 17isn't on the table. And frankly, he is unlikely to get prison anyway.
There is no underlying crime to MAKE them felonies. There has to be an underlying crime to make the misdemeanors into felonies and Bragg has still yet to state what it was.
That might be a significant issue.
So artfully designed the case by not charging him with what he alleges, or you allege he alleges, the crime actually is. Which means the actual charge doesn't matter. Brilliant!
Clearly obfuscating the point that the litigation isn't to charge him with the crime he committed but to convict him of the crime he didn't commit for the crime which he isn't being tried.
Very artful and clever. Everyone in America is clearly buying it.
This is so comically stupid that shrike would be embarrassed to post it. Well done?
"artfully"
JFC.
The crime was covered up after the election but took place before: the crime was to conspire to boost his election chances by paying hush money
Paying hush money to boost his election chances was no crime at all.
The Wall Street Journal reports, opens new tab that Trump arranged the payment to porn star Stormy Daniels in October 2016 to prevent her from discussing the alleged 2006 sexual liaison.
"Former President Donald Trump engaged in a "scheme" to boost his election chances during the 2016 presidential race through a series of hush money payments made by others to help his campaign, and then "repeatedly and fraudulently falsified New York business records" to conceal that criminal conduct," The falsifications, made after the election, were not the crime but the cover up of the original crime of covering up the sex scandal in order to boost his election chances. The author has missed the point totally. "cover-up activities can be considered a crime. A cover-up is an attempt to hide evidence of wrongdoing, incompetence, or other embarrassing information."
The thing covered up does not have to be a crime but covering it up to prejudice an election is a crime.
The thing covered up does not have to be a crime but covering it up to prejudice an election is a crime.
Even if it was done after the election?
The TDS-addled are not interested in facts.
If the thing being “covered up” isn’t a crime, of what intrinsic or criminal interest is it to the people?
If a candidate sits down at a restaurant before a press conference and spills his soup on his tie and a diligent, quick-thinking waiter offers to take his tie next door to have it dry cleaned while he eats and earns himself a nice big tip, even though the presser got cancelled, is that a crime?
IME, this has actually been a big source of abuse by the DNC. The old case of a CA judge unsealing Jack and Jeri Ryan’s sealed custody records against both of their wishes, and that Obama and the DNC were totally clueless of and totally had no involvement in being a prime example. Jack and Jeri both formally and legally moved to keep the records out of the public eye. By ruffsoft’s definition, a definition that even Jacob “TDS4EVA” Sullum doesn’t buy, that’s a crime.
What? They are alleging the cover up happened AFTER the election.
Covering it up to keep your wife from knowing isn't a crime. How does Bragg prove that wasn't the motive?
Testimony by Cohen and AMI CEO David Pecker about their plan to catch and kill negative stories of Trump's affairs while also promoting favorable stories all in an effort to help Trump win the election?? Considering they met with Trump and got his approval...seems relevant.
Adultery is still a crime in New York.
charliehall remains a lying pile of lefty shit.
I have missed the litany of cases brought to criminal trial about it.
The WSJ is part of the Liberal Media!
charliehall is still a lying pile of lefty shit.
This talking point is almost a decade old. Reboot.
The thing covered up does not have to be a crime but covering it up to prejudice an election is a crime.
So when will Jack Dorsey be prosecuted for trying to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story?
Who wrote this and what have you done with Sullum?
Who the heck was the actual victim here?
This is ridiculous. By Bragg's reasoning, Trump would have been guilty of "election interference" if he didn't publicly disclose all his affairs. Or any other part of his personal life - how often he has relations with his wife, or his Church habits, what books he reads at night?
A lot of people are doing hard time for victimless crimes in this country. A previous Manhattan DA, sent Lucky Luciano away for years for prostitution. That was probably the least of Luciano's crimes, but remember also that Al Capone was sent away for tax evasion. Leaders of organized crime operations like Trump often run afoul of minor laws and this trial is an example.
Oh shit, it's Hank Phillips!
TDS-addled shit like charliehall imagine this to be a valid argument.
"...Although "I certainly understand the impulse of Trump opponents to label this case as one of election interference,"..."
That's spelled "TDS-addled shits"
Ok, let's discuss this. Daniel's lawyer contacts Trump's lawyer and says we will go public if you do not give us money. That is BLACKMAIL, except that when an attorney does it with a threat of civil action it is legal. Rather than deal with it, and knowing the attorney and court time and cost and being elected president he di the PRUDENT thing even if he was innocent.
The FIRST result from this will be that insurance companies and anyone under threat will no longer settle, they MUST BY NY LAW refuse to settle a civil suit or face prison for paying out. Watch how many insurance companies catch on and leave the state now.
Next, Trump's attorney pays Daniels. Trump then pays his attorney on a payment schedule. Trump's attorney bills him in the manner that he believes is correct under the circumstance. As LEGAL fees for services and costs.
Now comes that State who claims that this should have been listed as something other than legal fees, in fact that it should be listed as CAMPAIGN expenses, otherwise it was unlawful. Remember that the campaign was OVER already!
So, I know for sure that paying extortion or paying off a civil case not related to anything that happened DURING or ABOUT the election can not be an election expense federally. That would be a Federal Crime. So, if he files according to federal law he is ok, but state law he is a criminal...but had he filed correctly for the state he would be a federal criminal. HMMM...sounds tricky.
IF the State can not: 1. Prove intent to commit the crime, then it has no crime. 2. That there is and was a specific statute explaining how to properly report extortion and or civil settlement in personal taxes or for that matter specifically in campaign taxes. 3. That Trump had PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE and directed the payments a certain way and recorded them a certain way at his and only his command, and against a licensed accountant's warning
Then the jury will have to acquit!
Now, the issue is, how many billionaires actually do their own taxes, or even care? They hire people to place things in columns. Then to tell him how much he owes. So, if he had accountants who disagreed and told him he could not place these expenditures here, then that might be different. But we KNOW that never happened. This was standard business in NY and probably every single elected official in the northeast has handled many things the same way.
"Trump then pays his attorney on a payment schedule."
Trump is notorious for NOT paying his attorneys on ANY schedule.
charliehall hasn't quit being a lying pile of lefty shit.
Cite, Hank?
You hopped off on the wrong foot, there...
Daniels' lawyer never contacted Trump's lawyer. Care to try again?
You posted imagining you had a brain. Care to try again?
Don't bother; just fuck off and die.
Couldn't Bragg be charged with election interference because of this?
Now that's funny!
This is actually probably the only solution to this. Not Bragg himself, because I doubt he ever leaves NY, but anyone involved in this with a presence in a location with a conservative DA needs to be charged. Any leftist with property in a conservative jurisdiction needs to be charged and have their property seized, preferably locked up if they show up to that property.
History is clear. The leftists are making their move. They are jailing their opponents and will not stop. Their foot soldiers are rioting and assaulting people with impunity.
The VP literally helped bail out violent political activists.
Bragg is a crooked lefturd piece of shit who was never fit to practice law at all, let alone hold any position of public trust. He belongs behind bars for malicious prosecution.
-jcr
Wow, Reason commenters. Usually you have at least a small grasp of the issue. Not this time.
Sullum is flat out wrong and this whole article is a piece of trash. The hush money payment happened BEFORE the election. Paying Cohen from business accounts happened AFTER the election. Fraudulently recording the repayments (plus a nice bonus!) made to Cohen through Trump Organization, Inc. as a legal expense of the business is the crime Trump is charged with. You can't repay hush money paid to further your election chances from business accounts. Even Sullum should be able to understand the illegality of that. It bumps to felony level because the fraudulent payments were made in furtherance of hiding another crime, namely the campaign violations Cohen pled guilty to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHmskwqCCQ
Youre not very intelligent it seems.
And you're a punk-ass piece of shit who can only throw out insults without disproving anything I wrote. Arizona would be much better off without you.
Far more than an asshole such as you deserves.
The only people who can’t grasp this are you, Charlie, and the Plug.
Hahahahahahahaha
OMG!! Your well-reasoned response citing reliable sources of information totally proved me wro... Oh, wait a minute. You're just an asshole who's got nothing. Bwaa-haaa-haaa, you stupid loser!!!!
Wow, Ed shows up to prove how demented TDS-addled lefty shits are!
Fuck off and die, Ed.
You can’t repay hush money paid to further your election chances from business accounts.
It does not constitute a violation of federal campaign finance laws.
The whole indictment is predicated on the premise that this somehow violated federal campaign finance laws.
That is why it should have been dismissed.
No, it's not. Read what I wrote about it.
Wrong. Read the indictment. Every payment was made from DJT's personal funds and was recorded in DJT's personal ledger. The fact that personal records are stored on the premises of a business does not make them business records.
It makes perfect sense. the Left never accepted the results of the 2016 election. First they blamed Russia and Facebook, but ultimately decided that Trump must've cheated to win. Yeah, that's the ticket! They'd love nothing more than to relitigate that election and punish Trump for beating Hillary.
Bragg’s election interference narrative is NOT nonsensical once you realize that it is NOT a legal narrative but a political one. If one tries to read any of a dozen or more Supreme Court “legislation from the bench” social experiment rulings over the last ninety years, one might conclude that Bragg’s tortured and twisted logic is right there in the middle of the standard curve for such. Here’s the process, step by step: determine the social goal you want to achieve legally; round up the usual suspects and target a plausible case for action; stimulate an appeal (or, as in this case, trump up a criminal charge in a socially receptive and supportive jurisdiction) and let the case play out in the court of public opinion for a while; finally, win or lose, drop the whole thing and move on to the next narrative.
Also, one should never forget “the nuclear option” approach by social democrats. A good bit of the official process in American history has been regulated by “gentleman’s agreements” – that is to say, by customary processes as opposed to formal rules and regulations or Constitutional mandates. It has been traditional to give Presidents wide latitude in their actions and not use criminal law as a political tool. The impressive power wielded by the Speaker of the House is one example. When the Democratic caucus used the famous nuclear option, they did not violate any written “laws of the land” to get the victory. The problem with violating informally accepted limits is that it cannot be undone by any appeal process, and once the genie is out of the bottle there is no end point where escalating feuds, polarization and the recurring tit-for-tat retaliations will stop. A local jurisdiction charging a former President with trumped-up ridiculous crimes is an example of the nuclear option. Congress has become the model for the deterioration of the social fabric in America lately and it will not end well.
And what would you consider a political decision not to prosecute actual crimes, if not the "nuclear option"?
Did you assume your bullshit would have validity to anyone?
Agreed, but that’s a different example. Deciding NOT to use the criminal law as a political weapon would be an example if not for the obvious fact that there are well over 4,000 unconstitutionally vague and broad federal laws and regulations on the books, many of which do not include a clause requiring criminal intent, that could be stretched to fit any target one party wants to target. The current example illustrates almost perfectly how silly that starts to look. The DOJ declined to charge Hillary, then the DOJ charged an “associate” of the President, then the local jurisdiction of New York City charges a President for the first time in U.S. history. Even a blind socialist can see through that.
In order for it to be plausible that Trump used Cohen as a cut-out is if he expected Melania to go through the companies books and see a payment to Stormy. Does anyone really think Melania goes over the books in this way? Seriously? I too find the campaign finance violations to be small peanuts, but I don't get why he needed hide the payments in such a crafty scheme.
This is another case of Trump breaking the law and then pulling the old, "everybody does it" defense. I sooo wish I could do that when getting pulled over for speeding. I'm sure millions of people would love to do it on underage drinking tickets, small-time drug charges, etc.
I recommend for your perusal "Three Felonies a Day." Your egregious and unsupported assertion that Trump broke the law before he has been found guilty under due process in a court of law looks even more silly than Bragg's charges do.
Apply that to the Bidens...
I do not like the "hush money" stipulation.
He could pay you to keep silent that he enjoys kids' cereal for breakfast just as readily as he could pay you to remain silent until the election completes about extending a legal contract of service.
Unless the matter to be silent about indicates a real crime, then whyever should there be a legal issue??
But let's suppose that he did not pay hush money but instead enlists her employ to compete against media manipulation of facts, instead. In which case, He pays her to help him, and so at that point there would be things she would naturally not do as part of this job such as blab indiscriminately to journalists or write a book about her experience. But she may do this after the election, in any case, after a certain date (which I think matches the known case, does it not?)
Is there any evidence that the records specified in the indictment qualify as "business records" under New York law? These look like DJT's personal records that just happen to have been stored at the Trump Organization HQ...
Sullum should spend less time trying to placate the idiot MAGAts in the comment section and more time reading the relevant laws and case law.
When someone gets a job based on factors other than ability and content of character, an Alvin pops out.
But it was so exciting at the time, because some Republicans wanted to inject new interest in their party. Plus, he was by no means unqualified to run, because if he had been we would surely had heard a viable contention.