Are 'Squatters' Rights' Out of Control?
Too many property owners are having trouble asserting their rights, but not everything is "squatter's rights."

A man's home is his castle. Or is it?
Over the past couple of weeks, squatters' rights—whereby someone who isn't a legal owner or tenant claims a right to stay in someone else's property—has moved from a 30 Rock joke to the subject of white-hot internet discourse.
Kicking off this controversy have been several viral episodes of frustrated property owners trying to eject unwanted people from their homes.
Most prominently, New York City resident Adele Andaloro was arrested on camera after trying to self-evict several people who she says had illegally occupied a home she inherited from her parents. Before that, Washington state landlord Jaskaran Singh went viral for staging a protest outside one of his rental properties where his tenant hadn't paid rent in close to a year.
In January, Bloomberg had an in-depth investigation into metro Atlanta's housing market, where a real estate industry group estimates as many as 1,200 for-rent, single-family homes have been illegally occupied recently.
Venezuelan provocateur Leonel Moreno made waves with a TikTok video urging migrants to move into vacant homes and claim squatters' rights.
The more sensationalist corners of conservative media have hoovered up these stories to declare an "epidemic" of squatting spreading across the country, which President Joe Biden is allegedly encouraging.
That in turn has provoked a stream of "well, actually" commentary from liberal outlets arguing all this talk of squatting is just right-wing "hysteria" and that the real problem is overpowerful landlords who can evict tenants on a whim.
So, is the U.S. experiencing a squatting epidemic?
This is a thorny and frustrating topic to discuss because, in the most literal sense, there's no such thing as "squatters' rights" in America. No lawmaker has introduced a "squatters' bill of rights." Open up your state's code, and you won't find a "squatters' rights" section.
The closest thing to literal squatters' rights would be states' adverse possession laws that allow people to take ownership of someone else's property after making exclusive use of it for years or decades. But as Pacific Legal Foundation attorney Mark Miller notes in a recent squatting explainer, adverse possession cases typically involve properties that have seemingly been abandoned, and bear little resemblance to the kinds of cases that are going viral right now.
Instead, we're seeing a lot of different situations where owners are having difficulties removing unpaying occupants from their property. These have all been lumped together, somewhat unhelpfully, under the umbrella of "squatting" and "squatters' rights," but the individual circumstances and laws at play vary considerably.
Many of what's being described as "squatters' rights" cases are episodes of already illegal fraud or trespass: someone moves into a home and falsely claims (often with the aid of fraudulent documents) to be the legitimate owner or tenant. The Atlanta cases Bloomberg covered are mostly examples of this. So is Andaloro's situation in New York City. It's unclear how often this happens or whether it is happening more often now.
The Bloomberg article suggests a few reasons why these episodes might be happening more often. The increasingly online, remote business of property management makes it easier for scammers to gain access to vacant properties. Online billing enables people to produce real documents allegedly showing proof of residence.
The scammers in these cases can be accurately described as squatters. Depending on the sophistication of the fraud and the local laws governing the removal of illegal occupants, reclaiming one's property might involve more than just a call to the police.
Andaloro's case has drawn a lot of attention to a provision of New York City law saying that a property owner can't unilaterally evict someone who's "lawfully occupied" a property for 30 consecutive days or more. Instead, they have to go to housing court and get a warrant to remove the unwanted occupant.
When Andaloro tried to change the locks on her home and kick out the people claiming to be legal tenants, she was arrested for trying to perform a warrantless self-help eviction.
It is shocking and unjust that Andaloro would be led away in cuffs for trying to reclaim her property. But, for all the reasonable outrage her case has attracted, it's not a neat example of "squatters' rights."
The police who showed up at Andaloro's house were confronted with one person claiming to be the legal owner arguing with other people claiming to be legal tenants.
Andaloro reportedly had the deed to the house with her but, from the perspective of the police, that doesn't immediately settle whether the people she was arguing with were actual renters or squatters.
In response to Andaloro's case and several other related situations, New York Republican lawmakers have proposed a bill allowing police to immediately evict someone from a residential property based on a homeowner's sworn complaint.
That would certainly make it easier for property owners to remove people squatting illegally. But it would also seemly leave legitimate, paying tenants, who have a contractual right to stay on someone else's property, without many protections.
It seems reasonable, as real estate writer Brad Hargreaves argues in an X post, that there would be a court process for sorting out these property disputes.
Lots of weird / bad takes about squatters on here right now.
The problem with "the police should just remove them" is that the squatters is NYC are claiming to be legal tenants. They're not "claiming squatters rights". They are waving around a fake lease.
You need a court to…
— Brad Hargreaves (@bhargreaves) March 25, 2024
The problem, as Hargreaves notes, is that New York's housing court is deeply dysfunctional right now and it takes months or years to resolve landlord-tenant disputes. Currently, there are nearly 200,000 active eviction cases in New York state. That's up from 33,000 active cases before the pandemic.
Andaloro explicitly cited the time it would take her to vindicate her property rights in housing court as the reason for trying to do a self-help eviction.
For the most part, the cases gumming housing courts in New York and elsewhere aren't cases of illegal squatting or fraud, but rather run-of-the-mill non-payment eviction cases. About 80 percent of residential eviction cases in New York are for non-payment.
Reason covered the case of one New York City landlord who spent four years trying to evict a non-paying tenant.
New York is probably the worst offender when it comes to lengthy eviction processes, but lots of (mostly liberal) cities and states aren't much better. The delinquent tenant being protested by Singh, the Washington landlord, hasn't paid rent since May 2023, per reporting from The Stranger. He reportedly had a spotty record of paying rent even before that. It's inexcusable that landlords have to spend months or years trying to kick out a non-paying tenant.
Liberal and left-wing outlets that cover these cases typically glide over a tenant's non-payment of rent as a minor detail. Publicola, a Seattle-area news publication, spends most of its coverage of Singh's case explaining that Singh owns multiple rental properties and that conservatives of all people helped organize the protest outside his rental property (as if either is particularly relevant).
Still, to describe slow-as-molasses housing courts as examples of "squatters' rights," as some media reports are doing, is a stretch. The alleged squatters in question started as invited, legitimate tenants. The property owner is still within their rights to demand that they pay rent, and file for eviction if they don't.
At best, dysfunctional housing courts create procedural squatters' rights, where a tenant can spin out the eviction process for months or years while enjoying free housing.
There are a lot of reasons that eviction processes in some jurisdictions are taking forever right now. Pandemic-era eviction moratoriums froze the processing of eviction cases for months or even years. (It wasn't until January of this year that landlords in Los Angeles could pursue non-payment evictions again.) Courts are now trying to sort through that backlog of cases, even as new eviction cases are filed.
State and local right-to-counsel laws—which provide tenants facing eviction with free legal representation—have achieved their explicit goal of slowing down eviction cases even more.
Given that most eviction cases are for straightforward non-payment, tenant attorneys have an incentive to stretch out proceedings by as much as possible. That delays the inevitable eviction and potentially strong-arms the landlord into paying a tenant to leave.
Also gumming up housing courts are state requirements that landlords who accepted government funding during the pandemic to cover a tenant's unpaid back rent drop their eviction cases. In many of those cases, the tenant in question went right back to not paying, so the landlord had to go to the back of the line and file for an eviction all over again.
During the pandemic, to be sure, we did have something akin to actual "squatters' rights" when all levels of government adopted eviction moratoriums. As Reason has repeatedly covered, landlords were stuck with non-paying, occasionally abusive tenants and literally no legal ability to remove them.
Those moratoriums are over, but states and cities have incorporated many of their features into permanent policies. Los Angeles now prevents landlords from pursuing evictions against non-paying tenants who've been approved for housing assistance, for instance. They can't evict people who've adopted pets in violation of their lease agreement.
These policies aren't quite "squatters' rights." But they are part of a growing body of "tenant protections" that limit landlords' ability to decide who they want to rent to, how much they can charge, and whether they can even take a unit off the rental market.
Miller and George Mason University law professor Ilya Somin both argue that laws that needlessly burden property owners' ability to reclaim their property from out-and-out squatters or non-paying tenants could be considered unconstitutional takings. Landlords prevented from removing such people from their property would be within their rights to sue their local or state government.
Others have suggested requiring long-term leases to be filed with the government, with the idea that better records would protect legitimate tenants while allowing for the expedited removal of illegal squatters without court involvement.
My compromise that will doubtless please everyone: require that all leases in excess of 30 days be filed digitally with the city clerk, and then remove squatters without any record of a lease within 24 hours—no court involvement. https://t.co/p9twFIJz35
— M. Nolan Gray (@mnolangray) March 28, 2024
One can see a lot of merit to this idea. It would also be a tough idea to implement given how poorly many local governments manage property records and the widespread informality of the residential property rental business.
In the immediate term, the best thing that states and localities could do to safeguard landlords' property rights from squatters and delinquent tenants alike would be to build up the capacity of their housing courts.
That could involve hiring more housing court judges. New York landlords have proposed creating a pre-court mediation program to handle non-payment cases before an eviction is filed.
It's likely not politically practical, but eliminating right-to-counsel laws and cutting government funding to legal service providers that cynically manipulate the housing court process would also speed up the processing of eviction cases.
Private property rights are a foundational part of any free country. It is therefore rather shocking how long it can take to protect one's property rights in the courts. It's an issue of urgent concern, squatting epidemic or not.
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Does Christian complaing about the courts being slow to evict fraudulent leases is the same complaints as illegals and false asylum claims?
JesseBahnFarter-Fuhrer, is the entire USA the same as your residence (or that of your landlord)? Is EVERY SINGLE STINKING CELL IN YOUR BODY a collectivist? Are ANY of your cells capable of having non-collectivist thoughts?
How many Catholic priests, Native American Shamans, Methodist Ministers, Scientology “Leaders”, Jewish Rabbis, and Islamic and Hindu “Holy Men” are you inviting into YOUR house to stay with YOU? None, right? Since they are living “at large” in the territory of the Collective Hive of the USA, then with the Collective Hive of the USA being just EXACTLY like YOUR living room, the public (voters, through the Powers of Government Almighty) should decide which religious leaders are allowed to practice which religions in USA territory!!! Because the Collective Hive owns shit ALL!!! …
Straight-through and honest analogy here… If this does NOT clarify to you, the collectivism inherent in your analogy, then you have a fossilized mind!
You pay taxes on your property, and maintain it. You have the right to says who uses it, no doubts in my mind about THAT! You do NOT own (or pay taxes on) ALL territories in the USA, ye lying, power-grabbing PIG!
It seems courts in new York only move fast when the judge wants to interfere in elections.
No election interference. Interference would have been to postpone the many cases against Trump simply because he claims that running for office is a get out of jail free card.
Housing Court in NYC was overwhelmed even before the pandemic. Not enough judges. Not enough support personnel. Not enough court houses. And nobody wants to fix the problem. The other problem is that there are already 120,000 people living in the city's shelters, half of which are asylum applicants. The system can't handle another 200,000. And the NIMBYs oppose both building more housing and more shelters. Many of the NIMBYs also don't want more evictions.
We have met the enemy and he is us. 🙁
Living in a shitty country doesn't mean you need asylum.
Most of the asylum claims are real. Some, however, don't qualify under the very strict criteria in the law. And your use of the term "illegals" proves you to be just another nativist bigot. If you are applying for asylum you aren't illegal.
Meanwhile, the Republicans have successfully prevented additional funding to address the backlog of asylum claims. They don't want to fix the problem they want to weaponize it.
Meanwhile, the Republicans have successfully prevented additional funding to address the backlog of asylum claims. They don’t want to fix the problem they want to weaponize it.
This crap isn't any more accurate than what the Dems and their center-right open borders advocates are claiming.
HR2 is still available, scrote.
Landlords are just “greedy”for expecting payment from people using their property.
Five stupidest fucking mantras common in "normal" discourse:
Death of democracy
Because greedy
Because capitalism
Fair share
Living wage
Agreed, except for "Death of democracy". Why? 'Cause Donald!
Der TrumpfenFuhrer ***IS*** responsible for agitating for democracy to be replaced by mobocracy!
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/24/politics/trump-election-warnings-leaving-office/index.html
A list of the times Trump has said he won’t accept the election results or leave office if he loses.
Essential heart and core of the LIE by Trump: “ANY election results not confirming MEEE as Your Emperor, MUST be fraudulent!”
September 13 rally: “The Democrats are trying to rig this election because that’s the only way they’re going to win,” he said.
Trump’s constant re-telling and supporting the Big Lie (any election not electing Trump is “stolen”) set up the environment for this (insurrection riot) to happen. He shares the blame. Boys will be boys? Insurrectionists will be insurrectionists, trumpanzees gone apeshit will be trumpanzees gone apeshit, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Trump was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?
It really should immediately make us think of Krystallnacht. Hitler and the NAZIs set up for this by constantly blaming Jews for all things bad. Jew-haters will be Jew-haters, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Hitler was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
Trump's Big Lie and Hitler's: Is this how America's slide into totalitarianism begins?
The above is mostly strictly factual, with very little editorializing. When I post it, the FACTS never get refuted… I only get called names. But what do you expect from morally, ethically, spiritually, and intellectually bankrupt Trumpturds?
Totalitarians want to turn GOP into GOD (Grand Old Dicktatorshit).
America's slide into totalitarianism started a lot longer ago than that. I'm a lot more concerned about the presidents that have full support from the deep state than I am about Trump when it comes to usurpations of power by the executive.
The "deep state" is simply enforcing the laws that were approved by our elected representatives. Not totalitarian at all. Trump OTOH wants to ignore all the laws he doesn't like. His many trials are finally providing some consequences to the lawbreaker.
What a poorly thought out comment.
It is not the Donald attacking democracy by removing the opposition from the ballot.
It is not Donald promoting fraudulent voting, as all voter roles have 10 to 25% of the listed names who are no longer actual voters, yet the ballots mailed out to these names will often be used for fraudulent mail in voting.
Unopened ballots now have cash value in most blue cities.
It is not Donald who is conducting lawfare by using the power of the state to take down their opposition.
Every election in the last 30 years republicans won was protested by democrats as stolen or unfair....Russian collusion.. which was actually Hillaries doing, not Trumps.
Trump is not the only one who feels the last election was unfair and that democrats broke the law numerous times, yet no investigation was allowed. Almost 1/2 of Americans smell a rat.
You have the slide into totalitarianism backwards .!!
Most of your "facts" are WRONG, and refuting them is easy as you exaggerate and use hyperbole just like Trump does.
Democrats want to turn America into a socialist/communist country, and with that will come the totalitarianism you incorrectly blame on the Donald.
Since you cannot tell an insurrection from a rally/riot, your opinion is not worth much, except as witless, one sided propaganda.
When you rely on the left for facts, be prepared to be wrong.
I note that you refuted none of the listed facts in the link:
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?
Did you even bother to read ANY of it?
Is this a "fact" or an opinion? Take your time, give it some thought:
"The same dynamic is true regarding Donald Trump's claim that Joe Biden stole the election from him. It is a Big Lie being embraced to advance a racist, anti-democratic agenda. Anyone who doesn't stand up to that Big Lie today would have likely been complicit in Hitler's Big Lie last century. Anyone who actually believes Trump's Big Lie ... do I need to finish that sentence?"
Question - how is the claim attributed to Trump that "Joe Biden stole the election" racist? It just isn't, it's the writer inventing things to stir a specific reaction in the reader. (Both Trump and Biden are old white guys, where's the racist angle?)
Trump racism... Where to start? Trump shithole nations Norway...
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1F11QK/
Many Norwegians rejected on Friday a suggestion by U.S. President Donald Trump that they would be more welcome to move to the United States than immigrants from "shithole countries" such as Haiti or African nations.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-hitler-poison-blood-history-f8c3ff512edd120252596a4743324352
Trump says he didn’t know his immigration rhetoric echoes Hitler. That’s part of a broader pattern
There's a LOT more of this stuff out there! Trump condemns Himself with His Own Racist Sacred-Butt-Obscene Words!!!
Info "Not From My Tribe, Therefor False"?
I remember when Trump lied about never having heard about David Duke.
At least David Duke is honest about his racism and anti-Semitism. Trump can't even tell the truth about THAT.
If you're whining about it, it's probably bullshit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_soil
Trump (if He had even HALF of a half of a brain!) should have KNOWN this shit!!! I personally suspect that He DID know this, and did it anyway, to get MORE attention!!!!
Trump Kept Hitler Speeches ‘In a Cabinet By His Bed,’ Said Ex-Wife Ivana Trump in Resurfaced Interview
Jamie FreveleDec 18th, 2023, 10:17 am
https://www.mediaite.com/trump/ivana-trump-revealed-in-1990-vanity-fair-interview-that-her-ex-kept-hitler-speeches-in-a-cabinet-by-his-bed/
I refute twat you say by saying... "Ye are not of MY Tribe"!!!
That shit's some pretty weak tea! Twat happen to the Tea Party anyway?!
You & I have vastly different definitions for what constitutes "...very little editorializing." In my definition, everything that isn't a literal fact (not, for example, a talking head/TV political analyst explaining what Trump either 'really meant' or 'effectively said...' - those are interpretations, very close to "editorialization").
Big Lie... Jews stabbed Germany in the back. Jews are to be blamed for ALL things evil!
Big Lie... Trump's erections were stolen!!! Demon-Craps are to be blamed for ALL things evil!
Tell the lie often enough, and shit becomes TRUE!!! Ted Cruz tells us so! Where there is smoke, there is fire! Where there are often-enough-repeated LIES, there is TRUTH!!!
Trump told a Big Lie and Hitler told a Big Lie, yes… There is FAR more than that! They both told their same Big Lie OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, to make the lie “true”!!! Tell it often enough… reinforced by VIOLENCE often enough… Whether it be by Proud Boys and Trumpanzees gone apeshit, or by Brown Shirts… And the Big Lie becomes “true dat”, and the basis of an authoritarian dicktatorshit! THAT is the rest of the story! Dispute the lie, and you die!
(We’re not there yet, but THAT is precisely where pussy-grabbing, power-grabbing Trump and Trumpanzees gone apeshit want to take us!)
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jan/06/ted-cruz/ted-cruzs-misleading-statement-people-who-believe-/
“Recent polling shows that 39% of Americans believe the election that just occurred was ‘rigged.’ You may not agree with that assessment, but it is nonetheless a reality for nearly half the country,” said Cruz. “I would note it is not just Republicans who believe that. 31% of independents agree with that statement. 17% of Democrats believe the election was rigged.”
Ted Cruz believes in the Big Lie! If you BLEEVE in it, it becomes TRUE!!! If’n ye do NOT Bleeve… Ye had BETTER watch out, or Ted Cruz, The Donald, the Proud Boys, and The Tribe will GET you!
Not sure how applicable it is but owner occupied homes with a mortgage and registered foster homes should be an automatic victory for the owner, as there IS a record and no legal way to lease the property as far as I know. Our mortgage *requires* it to be our primary residence. That SHOULD be all the proof any cop - or homeowner - needs to use all force necessary to remove the trespassers.
Doesn't help like with the NYC inheritance or old folks, but it's a start.
I see others made a suggestion I had: all leases to be notarized and/or registered to be valid. Although not sure how one stops government corruption around it when they lose records and play favorites, which they almost inevitably will.
You are correct. And when I lived in Virginia I was amazed at how quickly people got evicted for nonpayment of rent.
But when it takes months to even get a hearing before Housing Court...
Hiring more judges and support staff for Housing Court, however, would require more Evil Government Spending.
You are correct. And when I lived in Virginia I was amazed at how quickly people got evicted for nonpayment of rent.
That's the way it should be.
Or the government will become evem slower and more bloated than ever because that’s what government spending does.
If a private property is registered to Party A, they should control it. Period. That’s libertarianism 101. They should be able to kick out a delinquent or squatter within 24 hours, by any and all means of force necessary, and it should be the renter’s/squatter's problem to sue for breach of contract (if applicable), but most of our society has it ass-backwards.
Isn't it odd how the innocent can only seek a remedy after the fact, at great personal expense and difficulty, but the bad actors seem to get all the advantages ahead of time, for free?
I see “late stage capitalism” thrown around a lot.
Local issue.
We no longer have this problem in Florida.
Governor Desantis signed a bill designating the owners have a right to remove squatters from the owners' property.
IOW, squatters do not have a right to occupy somebody's property without the owner's permission and can be kicked out forcibly if necessary.
As far as I know, this is the first pro-owners' law regarding squatters in the US.
All the laws are pro-owner. That is our system.
The problem is that the legal system has broken down. From Donald Trump's lawyers filing frivolous motion after frivolous motion to delay his case to the partisan judge in Florida who is determined to see him acquitted at one end, to the small landlord who can't keep his property up to code because the tenant hasn't paid rent in a year, justice is delayed and thus denied.
If you object to the delays in NYC Housing Court you need to object to the tactics of Trump. Otherwise you are a hypocrite. I object to both.
The problem with “the police should just remove them” is that the squatters is NYC are claiming to be legal tenants. They’re not “claiming squatters rights”. They are waving around a fake lease.
Yeah, and until you start throwing these assholes in jail without bail for forging a legal document (because these people are really con artists and homeless bums, if you give them bail, they’ll just skip out and not show up for court, leading to arrest warrants and wasting even more time and money), this is going to continue.
Or better yet, if someone forces their way into your home waving around a fake lease, delete them, dump the body in the woods, and don’t worry about the courts. These are rootless people, and no one will inquire about them if they disappear. Or if you live in a neighborhood, organize an anti-squatter group to harass them and chase them out. They get their power from bullying a single homeowner--they aren't going to mess with a group of 10 or more telling them to get out or else.
Maybe the NY AG will sue them for ill-gotten gains.
They have no assets to disgorge.
If someone did this to me, I'd settle for their testicles.
Advocating murder?
Advocating defense of the home, unlike your left-wing vermin ass.
Andaloro reportedly had the deed to the house with her but, from the perspective of the police, that doesn't immediately settle whether the people she was arguing with were actual renters or squatters.
Bullshit. If the owner produces a deed and the occupiers cannot produce a lease, a utility bill, or some proof of legal occupancy, out they go. This should be standard for people who choose to contact police.
If you want immediate results, choose violence.
I would assume part of the scam would be getting a telephone bill in your name.
When I rented a place that I lived at for 7 years, I couldn’t tell you how long it would have taken me to track down my lease.
These people have a pretty clever scam going on.
I think the digitally filing lease idea is good. That is, of course, before we consider that it’s the government implementing a data system.
I do think it will eventually result in a market for "removal services".
Already exists. There's a recent Lehto's Law episode about a guy who was hired to go squat alongside the squatters somewhere in order to annoy them into leaving.
I saw that episode.
It appears that a tenant (or someone claiming to be a tenant) will have certain rights to be left alone by the owner/landlord.
So here's an idea:
When buying a house, buy it under an LLC and lease it to yourself. You pay rent to the LLC and are legally a tenant while the LLC which you own is the owner on record.
If someone tries to squat, they cannot keep you out because you are not only another tenant, but your lease predates theirs. You have as much or more rights to be there than does the squatter. You can make life miserable for them and get them to move out much quicker like the guy in the Steve Lehto story.
>> When I rented a place that I lived at for 7 years, I couldn’t tell you how long it would have taken me to track down my lease.
It should be in the same place as your other important documents. Maybe that’s a safe deposit box (are those actually still a thing these days?), maybe it’s a fire safe from walmart that you keep in the cabinet behind your household cleaning chemicals.
When I rented a place that I lived at for 7 years, I couldn’t tell you how long it would have taken me to track down my lease.
What? Any adult would keep a copy of that on hand specifically for legal purposes. Christ, even Walmart sells cheap plastic filing cabinets.
Christian, X/Twitter screenshots are a really bad idea (which you may have borrowed from Liz). Please omit them. All of them.
"Christian, X/Twitter screenshots are a really bad idea"
WHY?
Make the consequences fit the crime. If they illegally squat in the house for 20 months then they go to prison for 20 months. However much time that they are illegally in the house becomes their sentence and parole is only granted if they pay the real owners rent based upon local average rents in the area. So if average rent for homes in the area for similar properties is $2000 a month then they can reduce their sentence by one month for every $2000 they pay the owner.
So the taxpayers have to support them and we get a more hardened, even less productive felon out of the deal?
Pass.
How about caning?
Caning sounds like a good solution.
How about canning?
Soylent green!! It's people!!
CB
Not enough. They would need to also pay for any and all damages they did to the house.
If some punk broke into your house while you were they're you'd be within your God-given right to put a cap in his ass. Of course, not all jurisdictions recognize this God-given right, but the premise is the same for true squatters who break into empty houses and take up residence. Property owners ought to be able to hire security to remove these criminals and secure the property, especially since the police claim it's a civil matter. If their rights were violated, they can sue.
Ah, but it's only a civil matter when the cops might have to arrest a lawbreaker. When you do it, it becomes a criminal matter.
What a stupid waste of an article. Ackshually this and Ackshually that and it turns out that the “right wing hysterics” are mostly right.
Ackshually? What is that? It's stupid. Stop doing it.
It's the tendency of certain authors to find the smallest irrelevant detail to derail an obvious truth that doesn't fit their narrative. That spelling of "actually" simply signifies denigration of the person for making dishonest arguments under irrelevant premises
Or, in my case, it is just bringing levity along with a legitimate point.
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Ackshuyally, I'll miss your thoughts too, MT. Keep on Freewheelin' like Bob Dylan!
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Ackshuyally, AM, it's all in good fun!
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Seriously, from one Mongrel to another, when Reason evicts members of the Commentariat who really did mix thought and labor into the Comments, I'll be gone and I'll miss seeing your thoughts! Keep it real and impure!
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Ackshuyally, it is spelled A-C-K-S-H-U-Y-A-L-L-Y.
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And, I've been saying this for weeks here in the comments. These property thieves are using tenant protection laws in progressivist shithole jurisdictions to commit fraud. That bears very little resemblance to 'squatters' or 'squatting' as it goes back to English common law and ancient Rome before that.
The kind of idiots who advocate for rent control and eviction moratoriums and then complain about the lack of rental housing stock (i.e. leftists and progressives) are conflating the two and allowing these assholes to get away with it.
I would contend that people living in your property without paying rent are indeed squatting.
Trespassing and stealing I think are better descriptors.
This has got to be the stupidest article ever.
Not been here long? May I point you at the blatherings of Fiona Harrigan?
I liked the one where the author complained about the Argentinian president not tolarating other people's ideas, then talking about how great Ayn rand was
But it would also seemly leave legitimate, paying tenants, who have a contractual right to stay on someone else's property, without many protections.
If the landlord in question did this by mistake (by mistakenly identifying a leased property as vacant, possibly due to owning several properties), the landlord could be subject to a civil suit, though this sort of thing would be usually settled with $1000.00 in cash and a few months' complimentary rent.
Actually lying about the property not being leased would not only subject the landlord in question to compensatory and punitive damages (which may result in the wronged tenant owning the building outright), but criminal prosecution as well.
If you have a lease, produce it. If you've been paying rent, produce evidence of your payments. If you have a lease, but have stopped paying rent, well you have two months to vacate and are liable for any damages to the property during that time. If you don't have a lease nor evidence of rent payments, get the fuck out, now.
What's really going on is that there is no observable benefit to the police getting involved in this, so they don't. Only bad things can happen to the police, so screw it.
"Are 'Squatters' Rights' Out of Control?"
Squatters do not pay property taxes or utility bills.
They let the owners do that.
However, I recommend moving all squatters to Rehoboth Beach and Martha's Vineyard.
The properties there are a definite upgrade from where they're squatting now.
Then let's talk about "squatters' rights."
Squatters have the right to remain silent, they are criminals.
How about this? Presume that the property owner is telling the truth about whether a person is a legitimate tenant or not. If it turns out they were lying, then the tenant can sue the fuck out of them.
Seems like the obvious solution. But Christian has a pattern of not caring about actual property rights so he needs to argue against the owners as much as possible
What article did you read? The article above is pretty landlord-friendly.
Christian didn't say landlords should drive them out at gunpoint or that police should work them over and throw them in jail for a few years with no court hearing or bail. Therefore, Christian must be anti-landlord!!
Yeah, it's such an obvious solution that it passes right between the ears of most.
Considering any idiot with a printer and internet access can forge a lease with just about zero effort, it's absurd that the burden of proof is placed on the owner and not the person making the claim that they rightfully have rented the property.
Ultimately, putting the burden of proof on the renter seems fair.
The biggest issue here is the court system being fundamentally flawed, but of course this was predicted by many of us during the COVID insanity. Big surprise there's a flood of eviction cases now for unpaid rent when renters were basically given a multi-year pass even though the debt they owed to the landlord continued to pile up to a sum that was never going to be repaid.
A fake lease is great. Now show me the canceled checks and the account transfers to the owner.
Most states allow oral leases of up to one year, so there's no need to forge a written lease unless the squatter wants to stay more than a year AND the property owner can prove when the squatter moved in.
I have a theory that we are on the precipice of a pitchforks and woodchippers moment, and the PTB are using various delaying tactics to keep it from happening. They think that the threat from the proletariat is greater than the threat from the bourgeoisie, so they mollify the proles.
But what do I know?
The obvious "solution" is to get the government *out* of the business of protecting property because like everything else, they are terrible at it. If your homeowner's insurance instead placed this burden on the insurance company, at the least you'd be compensated for the loss and while the insurance company is paying you, they're going to have a strong motivation to get the illegal occupiers out.
I have no idea whether property/homeowner insurance already covers losses from such a situation, but I'm assuming that if they generally do not, it's because of government/Statism distortions in the market.
Plus it would provide jobs for unemployed football players, enforcing the eviction orders.
Yeah, right. Insurance already costs 3 to 5 times the national average in FL. My 800K home in CA was 880 a year when I left CA. I purchased a 180K home here and my insurance was 3500. My auto insurance was 2100 for three cars and a 20 year old driver driving a BMW in CA. When I came to FL we let the BMW and the 20 year old. My insurance went to 3200 for the same 2 CA drivers and cars.
Insurance is NEVER a good idea at all. It is a PONZI scam and in FL insurance companies are basically guaranteed a profit, therefore it can not be Called insurance at all. The more they spend and the more they charge the more they are allowed to earn.
The only rights squatters should have is the right to collect their belongings within the next 24 hours (after first posting a bond to cover any damages to the property) and vacate the premises. Otherwise the sheriff and his deputies will collect them for you.
Cops ignore this shit on purpose, because they are lazy and don't give a fuck. They love to tell you, "it's a civil matter" and arrest you if you try to remedy the situation yourself. I have seen it in towing fraud and in motor vehicle accident fraud.
If the owner claims the person is trespassing and the lease is fake, the cops are perfectly in the right to get a warrant and arrest the squatter for criminal fraud. Presenting false documents to an officer of the law is a crime everywhere. If the lease is real, the landlord can be arrested for filing a false claim.
If you want to solve the problem 100%, pass a law that says that a landlord may evict a party with 72 hours notice. If they fail to vacate, they can be trespassed after 72 hours and cops must intervene and arrest if they refuse to leave. If a party is later found to have been evicted in violation of a contract, the evicted party is awarded 3x their damages enforceable by an 1st priority lien on the property from which they were evicted with notice requirements for foreclosure considered waived.
Boom. Everybody has skin in the game. Deadbeats get tossed out and shitty landlords get foreclosed. The possibility of a priority lien will make sure that banks monitor mortgaged properties for proper leasing practices.
Great idea, but too much common sense. Won't happen.
I was a real estate agent in FL. There are THOUSANDS of people who know and game the system here. As an example, I used to be able to break into a home, move my things in .....after sending myself a single letter at that address. I was then a LEGAL resident. It mattered not if the person who lived there returned an hour later...I recieved mail, the US GOVERNMENT recognized my LEGAL address. That was ONLY one way to gain "tenancy".
Once tenancy existed, it takes 3 to 5 months to evict, we are talking about someone going on a week holiday and returning and having ZERO RIGHTS IN THIER OWN HOME.
By the time that the eviction took place, everything in the home of value is GONE and the property usually destroyed.
Example: One man I know was arrested, his address is included in the daily booking information online. Within hours his home was occupied. By the time his family knew of this, there were hookers and drug dealers and the family member was threatened with a gun "this is MY property, get the hell out" was the response. Police could do NOTHING. Five months later, thousands in legal expenses, court costs and time they the man had to pay the police to clear his property of the evicted persons. There was NOTHING of value left in the home. Thousands of dollars in eviction, 5 months of rental in another home, all property destroyed and sold, and the government just stood stoically by.
No, any argument against this law is insane. Florida attempted to protect RENTERS RIGHTS against bad landlords, instead they protected criminals from prosecution for breaking and entering and theft. It happens every HOUR in FL and must end. Thank GOD that huge corporations buying properties found themselves harmed and powerful enough to be heard, and thank God for the few that had their mothers and fathers lives destroyed and came after the politicians and the lawyers.
Desantis forced a law through the Florida legislature in response to these reports of squatters assaulting homeowners.
It is now a felony in Florida to present a false lease to a law enforcement officer.
You go to jail while they sort it out.
Also, the obvious response is to out squat the squatters.
Hire some goons to watch the house, enter when the squatters leave and change the locks.
When the squatters return, show them and the cops another lease.
The squatters now have to hire a lawyer and spend months and thousands of dollars to get your squatters out.
This took an article to answer?
Let me rewrite it for you:
"Are 'Squatters' Rights' Out of Control?"
Yes. There should be no such a thing as squatters rights. This isn't 1807. Squatters are committing a felony in any rational mind, but ok, leave the stupid law on the books in many places around the country.
Next article: "Is Asset Forfeiture Out of Control?"
What did anyone think would result from allowing lazy *ss ‘Gov-Gun’ theft??? Criminals don’t have a ‘that’s enough’ theft limit because they have no *earning* price to cause hesitation.
If the government isn't there to ensure Justice for all it's creating INJUSTICE for all.
trying to eject unwanted people from their homes.
Instead, we're seeing a lot of different situations where owners are having difficulties removing unpaying occupants from their property.
"Unwanted people."
"Unpaying occupants."
Put it on, Christian. Put on the nose.
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One can see a lot of merit to this idea. It would also be a tough idea to implement given how poorly many local governments manage property records and the widespread informality of the residential property rental business.
Well, here's an easier one.
Require that all leases and lease renewals be notarized, and that lease notarization will require all signers (owner/property manager and tenant) be present and witnessed by the same notary. Then, if a fraudulent lease is presented, they can check against the notary's record book. If the record isn't present, the cops then gain probable cause to arrest and forcibly remove the squatters.
Or, treat it like a will. Require independent witnesses to attest to it under oath if questioned.
Or use RentTec.
The very notion of "squatter's rights" is asinine from the get-go. Squatters are trespassers and burglars, and they deserve to be met with deadly force if they don't flee upon demand.
-jcr
Sure, Rambo.
As usual, the pendulum swung too far. Tenant-friendly laws were the direct result of landlord abuses in earlier years. It would be nice if this country could reach a happy medium.
Many of the property owners victimized by these land-sharks are not even landlords, Dummy!
And even if the property owners are landlords, these land-sharks haven't been vetted and may be a threat to the Life, Liberty, and Property of landlords, legitimate tenants, neighbors, and visitors! Dummy!
Along with our resident Totalitarians Rob Misek, Nemo Aequalis/Witch-Burning Nazi, Mtrueman, Nardz, Goldie, Tony, American Soc1alist, plus phoney Libertarians ChemJeff and Roberta, you are one I will not miss. Fuck Off!
Makes a person wonder what these "landlord abuses" were that apparently weren't already illegal in any scenario before the 'armed-theft' criminals decided to self-entitle themselves to someone else's house.
Why do you bother commenting when you never add anything to the discussion?
Kiss my ass, you fucking fag dummy. Oh, wait, I didn't put enough capitals in the name-calling to lower to your level. Sorry!
Oh, in case someone with common sense reads this (obviously not you, you uneducated dick-sucking pervert), I never said the property owners were landlords. Duh, dumbass.
I would suggest that ANY solution that encourages MORE involvement by lawyers ( including Judges ) is a step in the wrong direction. Too many attorneys is how we got into our current mess and adding additional regulations, legislation or whatever that promotes full employment for attorneys at the expense of everyone else must not be allowed to move forward.
Nicely researched and written article, Mr. Britschgi. Thank you for educating me about this politicized issue.
There are Liberal groups that will show a person how to take advantage of the "adverse possession" laws to take over a property. They will also provide legal assistance to help those who do it.
Both parties should pay a third party to notarize a lease. Problem solved. All police need to do is verify lease with a notary. No lease, youre out.