Don't Make Journalism School Free
Most aspiring journalists need an apprenticeship, not a degree.

The New York Times recently published an opinion piece by Graciela Mochkofsky, dean of the City University of New York's Craig Newmark Graduate School of Journalism. She argued that churning out more journalism degree holders could help revitalize a dying industry, and that making such educational programs free is one way to do that.
"Journalists are essential just as nurses and firefighters and doctors are essential," she wrote. "And to continue to have journalists, we need to make their journalism education free."
Even setting aside the fact that nurses and doctors do not generally attend school for free—and that firefighters get training, not master's degrees—this diagnosis still makes very little sense. First, it's not clear that the market is asking for more journalists, and thus explicitly encouraging additional entrants into the field is a dubious proposition. Second, even if producing more journalists is a socially desirable goal, subsidizing journalism school is a poor way to achieve this. Indeed, it's perhaps something of an open secret among actually established journalists that majoring in journalism is often a mistake—and pursuing a graduate degree in journalism is an even worse one.
Mochkofsky likened journalists to doctors and firefighters, but the profession has far more in common with the latter than the former. Journalism is akin to a craft or a trade; it is distinctly unlike science. Aside from some minimal abilities that should be acquired during primary education—i.e., competent writing—the technical skills required to do it are best learned on the job from seasoned professionals during the course of an internship. These skills are not so complicated that they must be studied in a classroom with textbooks and formal instructors.
I've always found that writing itself is much like exercising: If you do it regularly, you get stronger and better at it, and if you stop doing it, you get weaker and worse at it. News stories aren't meant to be observed under a microscope; the best way to learn how to write them is to just start doing it.
In her 2021 book Bad News: How Woke Media Is Undermining Democracy, Batya Ungar-Sargon argued that over the course of the 20th century, journalism morphed from a respectable middle-class trade into an exclusively upper-class vocation as credentialism took hold. This transformation has not been good for the industry; the media now disproportionately consist of young people with exceedingly progressive and occasionally hostile views, and that's because journalism is increasingly the province of well-educated and wealthy elites.
It's true that making journalism school free would alleviate the latter problem, but it still robs aspiring journalists of vital years of their lives that they could spend actually practicing journalism. This creeping tendency in public policy to make ordinary work impossible unless and until would-be workers obtain a bunch of certificates is deeply pernicious, and contributes to the country's underemployment problem. Let J-school be the province of a small subset of academically inclined writers—most aspiring journalists need an apprenticeship, not a degree.
Skeptical SCOTUS
This week, the Supreme Court heard oral arguments in Murthy v. Missouri, a case that will determine whether federal agencies unconstitutionally pressured social media companies to censor speech. Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson received much criticism for appearing to despair that the First Amendment might stop the government from doing just that, but in truth, a clear majority of the justices seemed skeptical that the feds' actions had crossed a line.
I would be more concerned if the First Amendment did not hamstring the government in significant ways. https://t.co/AvuByp4rZx
— Robby Soave (@robbysoave) March 18, 2024
A loss for the plaintiffs would be deeply unfortunate. This case represents the Supreme Court's best chance to prevent jawboning by the White House, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the FBI, and the Department of Homeland Security. These government entities did not merely ask social media platforms to take down contrarian speech—they implicitly and explicitly threatened to harm the companies if they did not comply.
We discussed the case on Rising with Twitter Files author Matt Taibbi. Watch below:
Worth Watching
It's time to start a re-watch of House of the Dragon. HBO just released two trailers for the hotly anticipated second season of the Game of Thrones prequel, which takes place a century and a half before the original series. While the later seasons of GoT were plagued with plotting issues, godawful dialogue, major inconsistencies, and even production errors, HotD's first season was as good as Thrones at its best. The second season will depict the Targaryen civil war: a bloody battle for the throne fought between two factions of the famed dragon-riding family. (If HotD has one flaw, it's that one side—Team Rhaenyra (Emma D'Arcy)—is about a thousand times more sympathetic than the other side, at least for now.)
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It takes real talent to keep coming up with ideas more retarded than the last.
Not really. How hard is it to repeat talking points from government-party media directors?
" it's not clear that the market is asking for more journalists, and thus explicitly encouraging additional entrants into the field is a dubious proposition"
That did not deter Bill Moyers from giving Columbia Journalism Review a million directed dollars to set up a climate journalism program in cahoots with The Nation Institute.
Every axe grinding foundation in the country has dollars to spare for weaponizing journalism students in the culture wars, and next to none of them are libertarians.
"Journalists are essential just as nurses and firefighters and doctors are essential," she wrote. "And to continue to have journalists, we need to make their journalism education free."
Essential? I mean I've needed a doctor and a nurse this year, and I know someone who needed firefighters. For the life of me I don't know anyone, anywhere, who needs a journalist.
For the life of me I don’t know anyone, anywhere, who needs a journalist.
Who writes these articles that you complain about every day? Journalists.
Key word: Need.
I suppose if you don’t mind your government working in a complete vacuum without anyone reporting on their doings, then you have no need for journalists.
Are journalism schools helping with that? I don't think they are adding much value (and they churn out a lot of people who seem to be more interested in excusing and propping up the power of the state.
What Zeb said.
They do not report the news. They propagandize it. No reason the education should be "free" and they sure as hell aren't essential.
Journalists and the education are separate issues. I say yes we do need journalists to report the news and give us the information we need to hold people in power accountable.
However their need for school is debatable, and there is no reason it should be “free" (paid for by someone else).
No, we used to need journalists to report the news and give us the information to hold people in power accountable. But they abandoned that role a decade or two ago and lots of non-journalists stepped in. We no longer need a professional class of journalists.
No, we used to need journalists to report the news and give us the information to hold people in power accountable.
I disagree. We still need boots on the ground with microphones and cameras.
But they abandoned that role a decade or two ago and lots of non-journalists stepped in.
There’s a difference between news and opinion. But you still need people who are actually there to tell you what happened, or the opinion-makers have nothing to work with. And you need some truth to contrast with the official narrative.
We no longer need a professional class of journalists.
Did we ever?
Are journalism schools helping with that?
I honestly can't say. I'd like to think so being that they should teach things like how to investigate, how to interview and how to report. Not sure if they actually do or not.
they churn out a lot of people who seem to be more interested in excusing and propping up the power of the state.
Is that what the journalists actually believe, or is that what they have to write to keep their job?
I have a pretty dim view of higher education in general at this point. I agree we need news reporting and investigative journalism. I don't think we need journalism majors to accomplish that and I think journalism has gotten worse as it has become more of a degreed, credentialed profession.
Maybe. But I really mind my government directing media, including "journalists" in what to say--and what not to say. A propaganda system is way worse than a vacuum.
I really mind my government directing media
You know about this because of journalists.
A propaganda system is way worse than a vacuum.
You know that there's a propaganda system because journalists tell you about it.
Journalists don’t tell us, they show us with their crooked behavior.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Do you really believe that journalists are doing that, or are you just being contrarian on purpose?
Well, "journalists."
Joe Biden needs journalists to push out and defend State propaganda.
"Indeed, it's perhaps something of an open secret among actually established journalists that majoring in journalism is often a mistake—and pursuing a graduate degree in journalism is an even worse one."
That's not entirely fair.
I heard the great Anna Merlan of Jezebel owes her skills to her graduate training.
What about DANAH BOYD? She writes about her cunt you know?
To be fair to Anna she was the first journalist to expose Tim Ballard for the nut job, phony, sex pest he is. Now even his church and partner in crime Glenn Beck have thrown him under the bus in an attempt to save their own asses.
To be fair to her haters like you: I knew Tim Ballard was up to no good when I first heard of him. Seeing all the commenters on this site gush over his movie because it owned the libs was hilarious.
I know most people hate me, but I was right about that one.
Not even through the first paragraph yet and I'm already LOL'ing:
No, no, no, it's not changes in technology, supply and demand, or the fact that the existing "journalists" have become propagandists and ruined their credibility in the process that's causing the industry to die. It's that there's not enough propagandists. FFS, what a moron.
This commentary really (really) needs a like button!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!:
Stop! I'm only 2 paragraphs in! My sides can't take much more laughter!
Most aspiring journalists need a good kick in the ass.
FTFY
Wow. Robby pretty much says it, but I'll make a bit stronger claim. Journalism school existing at all is probably one of the worst things to happen to journalism.
I wouldn't go that far. Journalism school teaches useful things like how to investigate, how to write, and how to take criticism. Sure someone can learn those things on the job, but it can help to walk in with some skills.
You can get all that doing a history degree or something. I feel like an apprenticeship sort of arrangement is a much better way to learn the specific skills or journalism/reporting.
I feel like an apprenticeship sort of arrangement is a much better way to learn the specific skills or journalism/reporting.
I’m ambivalent on that. Take cooking school as an example. People who graduate Johnson & Wales or CIA (Culinary Institute of America) are not chefs. They need to learn that on the job.
Can someone become a chef without going to school for it? Of course. Will they have the same knowledge and skills as someone who did go to school? Probably not.
I think that general principle applies to other trades, including journalism.
I am a pretty successful engineer who never went to engineering school, so maybe I have a bias here. And I think higher ed is pretty fucked at this point. So much of it is just this weird left-wing activist bubble and I don't think that is good for diverse and properly skeptical news coverage.
Do you listen to “Words and Numbers”?
The hosts are a couple of professors, Antony Davies and James Harrigan. JD says he met them at FreedomFest. I thought that was cool.
They echo much of what you’re saying about higher ed. From within.
I still think much of the BS can be avoided by studying STEM stuff where 1 + 1 = 2 no matter how the numbers feel.
I haven't but I'll check it out.
https://www.patreon.com/wordsandnumbers/posts
I am a pretty successful engineer who never went to engineering school
I went to engineering school in the sense that I have a BS in Aerospace Engineering, but I never went back for a Masters or got my EIT or PE license (didn't feel like I needed to way back when I graduated in 2001). I do have 23 years of experience though, although most of it is in Systems Engineering, which isn't "real engineering."
FTA:
I definitely see a lot of this. A lot of the younger engineers have at least MS degrees. While most of them are OK, I have ran into a few that I get the distinct impression they look down their noses at older, middle aged engineers without a graduate degree and would just as soon spit in my face than take any advice from my 23 years of experience. The ones with doctorate degrees tend to be the worst.
Also, I'm starting to get the distinct feeling that my career progression has pretty much stalled out at this point, so unless I want to continue in the same shit job I've been stuck in for years, I'm pretty much fucked without some kind of additional credentials or graduate degree. If I liked my job it wouldn't be a big deal, but I hate it with every fiber of my being, so I'm looking at another 20 plus years of this shit which makes me want to paint the walls with my brain.
I get the distinct impression they look down their noses at older, middle aged engineers without a graduate degree
They probably do. They probably have shared knowledge from some classes that they took that you didn’t. You could figure out what they think you don’t know, audit the classes, then they have to find something else to hold against you.
I’m looking at another 20 plus years of this shit which makes me want to paint the walls with my brain.
Don’t do that.
I'm also in systems engineering, which I think means some pretty different things in different companies. Seems pretty real to me.
I think a lot of what you are talking about probably varies a lot depending on the industry. I've never had the feeling that people are looking down on me because of my lack of engineering degrees. But that might be because I've been here forever and know everything. And I'm kind of at a point where I have to ask myself if I want my career to progress more. I'm hoping to not have to have a regular job in 10 more years max.
A lot of jobs that require masters degrees (hell, even some that require bachelor’s) would be a lot better off with just an apprenticeship arrangement.
Architecture undergrad (and grad school too, tbh) was great for teaching how to design and think like a designer, etc., but it did fuck all for teaching us how the actual practice worked or how to run a firm. So in their infinite wisdom they decided to keep the internship program (which is basically apprenticeship) AND make you get a master’s.
Too bad you didn't get as far as citation and tu quoque.
Hmm, this bit was random.
"It's time to start a re-watch of House of the Dragon."
Oh is that coming back? Having trouble remembering names and major events from season 1 - not the sign of a show that's really hooked me.
Gimme season 3 of "From"!
I never got into the whole game of thrones thing. My buddy tried to get me to watch it, but I was bored outa my gourd. Every episode is 5 mins of action and 40 mins of boring talking. Same problem walking dead had.
If you try again and get into it, skip the last season.
It’s not saying much, but the LOTR series they had was a little bit better than the GOT one, but I think that’s just me wanting more fantasy in my fantasy shows.
Both are pretty bad though.
I'm just annoyed that I spent all that time reading the books and it seems like that fat fuck is never going to finish them.
I struggled with book one and quit. I found it very irritating how he described every detail of everyone's wardrobe. Just felt like filler.
I liked them well enough. But I'm not going back and reading all that again.
That was my issue.
I don't give a shit about heraldry, or what people are dressed in, and somehow GRRMartin spent ten thousand unnecessary words on it. Then, after the second fat book, he'd written himself into such a hole he just backed up in time and started following secondary characters. I quit reading there.
I just don't understand the rave reviews for the books. Fucking thousands of pages talking about dragons before you ever get to an actual dragon.
The series was OK. Well done at first, though dark and gratuitous. I never made it to the end, though, and heard rumors the last seasons were a fucking trainwreck, that when they got past Martin's material and wrote their own ending it turned into sterotypical hollywood tripe.
It's not for everyone, but I liked all that detail in the books. And the weird split narrative happened because the book he was writing got too long for the publisher, so he broke it up into two parts that cover the same time period (which I agree was kind of weird and confusing). And now he has so many different plotlines and characters that I don't know how he's going to wrap it all up even if he manages not to die before he has time to write it.
The end of the show really was awful. Especially the vaguely hopeful ending that got tacked on. I really hope GRRM has something better in mind than what happened in the show or the books will end up being a big WTF too.
Fucking thousands of pages talking about dragons before you ever get to an actual dragon.
South Park ripping on George RR Martin was pretty much spot on, as usual.
Oh man, they nailed it with that one.
I've been watching old South Park episodes lately. From 10 to 15 years ago. It's strange how prescient they were.
Like the episode where they're playing Tiger Woods Golf on superNES and it's a combat game with his wife always attacking him with golf clubs. That was a dozen years ago or so.
Well, the CDC was sitting around trying to figure out why rich, famous men with beautiful women throwing themselves at them would have sex with lots of different women. They kept pretending they JUST COULD NOT UNDERSTAND. Why would men want to have sex with lots of women?
Since the men in question were all rich, famous, or powerful (Athletes like Tiger, Bill Clinton, David Lettermen, etc...) they absolutely refused to admit to the truth. The CDC was funding studies with monkeys then saying it was a disease or Sex Addiction, and quarantined a couple of the boys because they were interested in looking at vaginas... in the end they NEVER admitted all their theories were wrong so as not to embarrass the powerful men.
Fuck man. A decade before the pandemic. I'd forgotten, only remembering Tiger getting beaten by his wife.
They tackled all the transgender idiocy a good decade before the bathroom stuff was even on anyone’s radar.
It’s my go to when I need something on in the background and almost every season is great up to about the pandemic (the 2016 season is a little rough cause they 100% did not expect Trump to win and then had to scramble for the rest of the season).
GoT at least kept me watching until the finale.
Walking Dead's problem is that it had one card to play - despite the zombies, the real danger might be hostile factions of humans! - and just repeated it.
I later found out the main actor asked to be written off the show. I had already quit watching by then.
The fact that they have specific term (jawboning) for acting like the mafia running a protection racket is rather telling, IMO.
Time for Graciela Mochkofsky to set up and fund a scholarship for idiots who think what they think is important.
Graciela Mochkofsky, dean of the City University of New York's Craig Newmark Graduate School of Journalism. She argued that churning out more journalism degree holders could help revitalize a dying industry, and that making such educational programs free is one way to do that.
As dean of CUNY's Craig Newmark Graduate School of Journalism, Ms Mochkofsky can make this happen. She can take her concerns to the President of CUNY and its Board of Trustees and make the argument the university should not charge tuition and fees for students of the Craig Newmark Graduate School of Journalism.
To help make this happen, she can forgo her salary and benefits and try to convince the staff and faculty of CUNY's Craig Newmark Graduate School of Journalism to do the same.
If she can't get that to happen, she can hold fundraisers and galas and other special events to create an endowment fund large enough to cover her salary and benefits and those of the faculty and staff of CUNY's Craig Newmark Graduate School of Journalism and any other administrative overhead incurred by CUNY for having the Craig Newmark Graduate School of Journalism.
Oh, wait. That's not what she meant. Now I get what she's arguing, she wants others (taxpayers) to over the cost of the tuition of the students at CUNY's Craig Newmark Graduate School of Journalism.
That's just stupid.
In at least some fairness, zero dollars is exactly what a journalism degree is worth. Ironically even among journalists themselves, which tells you exactly how much it's worth to we the people.
...which tells you exactly how much it’s worth to we the people.
Which is exactly why we the people should have to pay for it! /sarc
Most aspiring journalists need to spend a few years earning a living in the free market, perhaps as nurses or firefighters. As others have pointed out, once-upon-a-time most reporters were more blue collar working class in origin, and had natural suspicion for both government and the privileged class. Now "journalists" come from and/or aspire to be in the elite class--and I bet much of what they learn at university is more about elitist politics than how to investigate and challenge the establishment.
The best way to solve journalism, and other fields like teaching, is to end credentialism, in favor of experience and enthusiasm.
Despite what you think, you probably do not hate journalists as much as you should.
Wise words, rbike.
you probably do not hate journalists as much as you should.
Or teachers, or politicians, or bureaucrats, or ... pretty much everyone.
What are you? Some kind of cynical asshole? (I have to admit, you probably aren't wrong).
And it's a good thing too, the cops would find his basement full of their remains.
Indeed, it's perhaps something of an open secret among actually established journalists that majoring in journalism is often a mistake—and pursuing a graduate degree in journalism is an even worse one.
It's definitely an open secret among those of us who have a journalism undergrad degree (A B.S. in PR in my case, and yes I make that joke constantly) who never used it even once.
How much sadder must it be to actually get a job in journalism, knowing that the 'education' you received was quite literally worthless? Whether it's from Colombia or your local state university, the best you can say is that you learned to write the current year AP style guide. As always, the difference is in where you interned.
I suppose that any degree from Colombia lets you act superior, but does that fly when you're talking to someone who also graduated from Colombia with a real degree? Probably not. It's only impressive among your peer group. Outside observers are still laughing.
There is still money to be made in journalism: Ask Bill Moyers "
https://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2024/03/202490000-buys-lot-of-green-ink.html
Yes, because we don't have enough worthless narrative peddlers who despise facts and objectivity.
"You don't hate journalists enough. You think you do, but you don't."
Wait -- did this dude really link to his own twitter hot take in his article?
Geez fuck what kind of a narcissist is he? That's just... weird.
That's a very Reason jOuRnaLisM thing. They're their own undisputed authorities on everything.