Oklahoma Autopsy Finds That a Bullied Nonbinary Student Committed Suicide
After blaming the state's bathroom law, The New York Times says "it has never been clear" whether gender identity figured in the fight that preceded Nex Benedict's death.

Nex Benedict, a nonbinary Oklahoma student who died on February 8, the day after a physical altercation at Owasso High School, committed suicide, according to a summary autopsy report released on Wednesday. That conclusion, along with a police interview recorded the day of the fight, sheds further light on an incident that sparked outrage from critics of Oklahoma's transgender policies, which they said had encouraged the sort of bullying that Nex encountered at school.
After Nex's death, The New York Times and The Independent specifically blamed a 2022 state law that requires students to use restrooms that correspond with the sex "identified on the individual's original birth certificate." The Independent's headline explicitly drew a connection between Nex's death and that law: "Oklahoma Banned Trans Students From Bathrooms. Now Nex Benedict Is Dead After a Fight at School."
The Times story repeatedly highlighted the bathroom law, noted that the fight happened "in a girls' bathroom," and added that "advocates for nonbinary and transgender students said that the state's policy on gender and bathrooms had led to more reports of confrontations in schools." Reporters J. David Goodman and Edgar Sandoval quoted Nicole McAfee, the executive director of Freedom Oklahoma, who said "that policy and the messaging around it [have] led to a lot more policing of bathrooms by students," causing students to wonder, "Do you belong here?"
Both stories omitted a crucial fact that made that framing highly implausible: Nex, who preferred they/them pronouns, was biologically female, meaning they were complying with the bathroom rule at the time of the fight. Furthermore, Nex's own account of the incident during a police interview at a local hospital the day of the altercation indicates that the fight's location was incidental.
Nex, who was a 16-year-old sophomore, said three freshman girls with whom they had never interacted before had a problem with them and their friend "because of the way that we dress," although the basis for that supposition is unclear. The specific impetus for the fight was the three freshman girls' mockery of the way that Nex and their friend were laughing. "They had said something like, 'Why do they laugh like that?'" Nex told a police officer. "They were talking about us in front of us. And so I went up there and I poured water on them. And then all three of them came at me."
The freshman girls "grabbed onto my hair," Nex said. "I grabbed onto them. I threw one of them into a paper towel dispenser. And then they got my legs out from under me, got me on the ground, and started beating the shit out of me. And then my friend tried to jump in and help, but I'm not sure—I blacked out." The school district said other students and a staff member broke up the fight after a couple of minutes.
The officer explained that Nex's grandmother and guardian, Sue Benedict, who was present for the interview, could file a police report about the incident. But under the law, he warned, the other students could file a police report against Nex, since Nex had initiated the fight. "They put their hands on you, and it was unwanted," he said. "I will also tell you, though, that…what's good for the goose is good for the gander, meaning the way the courts are going to look at it is it's a mutual fight. So both parties are victims, but both parties are also suspects in this. You get what I'm saying? You're an offender as well."
Addressing Sue Benedict, the officer said he would "absolutely" take a report if that is what she wanted. "But I'm just letting you know, if the other party wants to do the same thing…the assault will be on her as well, because she first assaulted. She was the one who initiated it, essentially, because you've got freedom of speech…[but] the moment she threw that water, you've now assaulted somebody. You've made the first jab. It doesn't make it right, but they defended themselves, quote unquote. You retaliated back. Now we've got this back and forth, when both parties had an equal opportunity to separate."
These details help explain why no police reports or charges were initially filed and why, according to Sue Benedict, Nex was suspended from school for two weeks. Although the school district won't publicly discuss individual cases, the freshman girls presumably received a similar punishment. School officials said any students implicated in "physical altercations" would be subject to "disciplinary consequences."
None of this excuses the bullying that Sue Benedict said Nex had repeatedly suffered at school. "I said, 'You've got to be strong and look the other way, because these people don't know who you are,'" Benedict told The Independent. "I didn't know how bad it had gotten." There are legitimate questions about how school officials responded, assuming they were aware that other students were picking on Nex. But the connection between this particular incident and Oklahoma's policies is speculative and tenuous.
"It has never been clear whether Nex's gender identity was a factor in the altercation in the school bathroom," Sandoval now concedes. But his earlier story strongly implied that state policies, and the bathroom law in particular, had precipitated the fight, even though Nex was complying with the law at the time—a fact that Sandoval and Goodman did not mention, perhaps because that would have required acknowledging Nex's "birth gender."
Two weeks after the altercation, the Owasso Police Department said preliminary autopsy results indicated that Nex "did not die as a result of trauma." Yesterday a police spokesman said investigators "observed many indications that this death was the result of suicide" but did not say so publicly because they "did not wish to confirm that information without the final results being presented by the Oklahoma Medical Examiner's Office." Although it's not clear what those indications were, Nex's demeanor during the police interview was completely calm, giving no sign that they were distraught, let alone upset enough to contemplate suicide.
The summary autopsy report describes the manner of death as "suicide" and the "probable cause of death" as "diphenhydramine and fluoxetine combined toxicity." Those drugs are, respectively, the active ingredients in antihistamines such as Benadryl and antidepressants such as Prozac. An overdose of diphenhydramine by itself can be lethal, with deaths reported at doses higher than 20 milligrams per kilogram of body weight. Potentially dangerous interactions between diphenhydramine and fluoxetine have been noted. The one-page autopsy summary does not indicate the level of either drug in Nex's blood.
If Nex did in fact commit suicide, we can surmise that the bullying they encountered at school had something to do with it. Critics argue that Oklahoma's transgender policies—which in addition to the bathroom law include an explicit prohibition of gender-neutral designations on birth certificates and a ban on hormone or surgical treatment of transgender minors—have contributed to an atmosphere of intolerance that fosters bullying. "Whether or not it was a suicide," said Rep. Mauree Turner (D–Oklahoma City), a nonbinary state legislator, "the rhetoric that we share on this House floor, the bills that we write—not even the bills that we pass—but the bills that we write, have a very detrimental effect on the youth of Oklahoma."
Oklahoma Superintendent of Public Instruction Ryan Walters, a Republican who decries "radical gender theory" that "puts our girls in jeopardy," called Nex's death "tragic for the family, the community, and our state." But he complained that "LGBTQ groups" are "pushing a false narrative," adding that "I remain, more than ever, committed to never backing down from a woke mob."
The Times suggests that Walters is partly responsible for the intolerance that Nex reportedly suffered. But it seems unlikely that teenagers pay much attention to pronouncements by politicians like him, and they hardly need official encouragement to pick on students they view as different, whether because of how they dress, laugh, or otherwise present themselves.
Official discouragement of such harassment nevertheless could make a difference if it is effectively communicated and implemented within schools. "The Benedicts know all too well the devastating effects of bullying and school violence," the family said in a statement last month, "and pray for meaningful change wherein bullying is taken seriously and no family has to deal with another preventable tragedy."
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I'm triggered by the pronoun antecedent disagreement. It hurts.
There's way too many theys there.
Try reading binary fiction novels.
NON-binary? Can you tell who the hell they’re talking about in any given sentence?
I stand corrected. I forgot the non. I was thinking of someone who identifies as both instead of neither.
I got yelled at for calling a they I didn’t know was a they a she, when I was talking about the person who was sitting next to they who was a she.
I would have told them, fuck off, you don't get to demand others change the English language to fit your desires. The world doesn't revolve around you. Grow the fuck up.
Sounds like you need another stint in DEI reeducation camp.
Likely.
I don’t blame the bullies.
I blame the woke snowflake advocates that tell these kids that explaining correctly applied logic and science to them constitutes bullying.
Wake up and smell the reality.
There are only two sexes in the human race and if you’re not one of them YOU HAVE A DISORDER.
Were the caps bullying? Hahaha
TL;DR, though I will read it soon.
But without even reading this story, I know, as an Add-ult Sir-viv-ur uv Gummint Skoolz,* that compulsory Gummint Ed-u-ka-shun is like the sign says: "harmful to children and other living things."
And I also know that no problem this kid had or any other kid has or any other human problem is ever solved by your "Final" variety of "Solution!"
So, as always...
Fuck Off, Nazi!
And tell your friend Jonathan Affleck to: "Fuck Off, Capo!"
* Although I am an Add-ult Sir-viv-ur uv Gummint Skoolz…I’m getting better!
🙂
😉
Jews, not Nazis, are committing a holocaust in Gaza.
Why do you hate Nazis?
That shut the fuckwit up.
Hahaha
You hate Jews, so you buy into Hamas propaganda. Their numbers ar beyond implausible, and utterly bullshit. But again, you hate Jews, so it doesn’t matter.
You will never have any credibility here. You should go away,
"That shut the fuckwit up.
Hahaha"
Shades of Whit Indian; show up, spout bullshit and when no one bothers to point out how full of shit you are, claim 'win'!
And no one buys it, Nazi shit-bag.
From Jew controlled CNN three weeks ago.
“In all, 30,035 people have been killed so far, the ministry said Thursday, adding that the number of injured is over 70,000.”
Even stupid Jews recognize that the bodies have simply been buried and it will never be illegal to exhume them and conduct objective forensic analysis.
Unless Jews achieve their genocide, take over Gaza, and make it a crime to conduct forensic analysis.
Like they have done in every nation where the alleged WW2 holocaust supposedly occurred.
Liars need censorship.
Jews are currently committing a holocaust in Gaza and are denying it even though they’re on trial for genocide today in the United Nations international court of justice.
Biden is funding the genocide making him and the US complicit. How does that make you feel?
Netanyahu is responsible for telling the IDF to commit ideological genocide by referencing the Jewish genocide against women and children with the story of AMALEK. Clearly inciting genocide. With over 20,000 non combatant women and children intentionally targeted and killed and IDF soldiers on record rejoicing about it referencing amalek, the effect of Netanyahus instructions are clear.
Israeli defence minister Yoav Gallant said Israel was fighting “human animals” and that they will be “starved of food and water” which Israel has done and continues to do.
Amichay Eliyahu, the minister for heritage, who suggested dropping a nuclear bomb on Gaza; Israel isn’t supposed to have nuclear weapons. Saddam Hussein was hung for crimes against humanity and he didn’t even have WMD much less threaten to use them.
The country’s mainly ceremonial president, Isaac Herzog, who described Palestinians as “an entire nation out there that is responsible” demonstrates the genocidal intention.
These statements in combination with their actual execution clearly meets the UN definition and criteria for genocide.
Talkin’ to someone who’s not talking to you? That’s a paddlin’.
Correcting someone who’s talking to someone else? That’s a paddlin’.
Pretending to be made up things? That’s a paddlin’.
Being an officious, self-righteous asshole, irritating everyone around you and putting yourself up shit creek? That’s a paddlin’.
Oh, he probably meant a stint as a subject. Yeah, given their low and falling success rate among anyone with anything resembling a spine, I’m not worried.
I dropped a subscription to Analog science fiction when a story was so flooded with "they" describing unsexed aliens (the space kind) that I couldn't tell when it mean one or many. I thought at first it was intentional satire, but two other stories in the same issue also had been massaged by the pronoun police. Fuck that noise!
When a space alien is involved, "it" would seem an appropriate pronoun.
It was good enough for 100+ years in science fiction, and who knows how many centuries in English. It still is.
Like a Choose Your Own Adventure only weirder?
If anyone ever upbraids me for misgendering, I'll upbraid them for misnaming me. If they ask me what my name is, I'll tell them it was XRpit, but now it's 0yxIM, they better get the damned capitals right.
I've threatened when people misspell my last name (it's spelled just as it sounds because it was anglicized when my family immigrated from Norway) that I'm going to change the spelling back to the original Norwegian and see how they like it. Also, how it is pronounced actually changes depending on which part of Norway you're from. Western Norway, Kj makes almost a ch sound (how my name is spelled anglicized as my family is from western Norway near More og Romsdal) but in Southeast Norway (Oslo area) it is more a Ky sound, like the j in fjord.
how hard is it to spell medic76?
Was going to go with the Norwegian spelling for Medic, but it's the same spelling I just found out. Damn Northern Germanics language family ruining a good joke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBam72eYsAg
Because my mind went there.
Used to be shit house.
lol where else would it go?
You should alter the spelling to where it changes based on your mood. That might be fun.
Like SanDeE https://youtu.be/1HRzloVtUPA
one of the greatest movies ever. I'll have a twist of lemon!
Choose your own gonads adventure.
Seriously. How about some basic respect for the language?
"Thee" and "Thou" used to be singular and "You" and "Ye" used to be plural. English is so fucking manifestly 'murican, anti-royalty, and pro-individual that we made "You" singular and invented and spread "Y'all" to make up the difference.
Want to change English pronouns? Annex yourself from Britain *and* Mexico, defeat the Nazis, invent the integrated circuit, the atomic bomb, and silicon breast implants and wait.
I prefer “yinz.”
It used to be that you/your was both the second person plural and the the second person formal, as when one was speaking to a very eminent person. It happened that poseur assholes of the early modern period wanted to be perceived as so SO polite that they started using the formal when speaking to anyone—not just to the king. Shortly thereafter, thee/thine/thy/thou started to be perceived as a rude slight and then fell out of use altogether.
But English, like other languages, wants a second person singular and a distinct second person plural. Which is how we get linguistic abominations like y’all and yinz. I say bring back the/thy/thine/thou. Those are my pronouns.
The most unreadable paragraph in the history of journalism.
I think that's the nexus of the problem. I'm pretty sure the mentality of someone who thinks they're a they with different genders depending on moon phase is going to have a hard time with just about anything. It's a sad fucking thing that society, parents, and doctors have not only allowed but encouraged so many people to chase and intensify mental illness instead of trying to help.
“They had said something like, ‘Why do they laugh like that?'” Nex told a police officer. “They were talking about us in front of us. And so I went up there and I poured water on them."
So in the spirit of Jacob's description I'm forced to ask, were they actually three individuals or a binary individual who identifies as three binary individuals? When they said "Why do they laugh like that?" were they using the proper pronoun referring to binary Nex or her possibly binary companion or were they using the proper plural pronoun. If libertarians insist on going down this road they need to realize that there is no way to parse this shit in English. Or maybe that's the point.
The use of a generic "they" is only used in the third person. I don't care what these people want. They bitch about how "language evolves" but this isn't linguistic evolution, it's linguistic GMO.
It is appropriate to use names rather than pronouns, when use of pronouns create ambiguity. This is true regardless of which pronouns people use.
The New York Times: "We print all the facts that fit our narrative."
That should read "facts".
Just as a troll I'm tempted to identify my gender as particle, my pronoun is "the", but only on Mondays. On Tuesdays my gender is conjunction, my pronoun will be "and". On Wednesdays my pronoun will be "but".
When referring to me relating to something that happened on Monday, but being written on Wednesday - the author is simply fucked.
My pronouns are I/me. What other people use is up to them.
I was walking down the street. (Not me, Zeb)
Singing do wah diddy diddy dum diddy do
He is I, and I am him.
I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX1x7pfH8fw
only who can prevent forest fires?
I knew that’s where you were going. Fucking classic episode.
How about this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU4lYcN6zEY
yes! I want to put up the he's me who are you I'm him from Sixteen Candles but the links all suck
Sometimes I identify as a particle, but other times I identify as a wave.
Aloha!
“They were talking about us in front of us. And so I went up there and I poured water on them. And then all three of them came at me.”
This is bullied?
Pretty mild, and appears to have been a one time occurrence so it wasn't even (if you can call it bullying, seems fairly tame compared to the bullying I had to deal with growing up) it certainly wasn't pervasive or relentless. I think this girl was a narcissist who demands the world treat her how she wants to be treated. Assaulted another student because she perceived the other student wasn't treating her the way she demanded to be treated. Got her ass handed to her, and then decided that since the world really didn't revolve around her, to take the long dirt nap instead of learning to deal with it. I have an idea, how about we start teaching kids some personal responsibility and resilience rather than made up pronouns, I'm betting that would do far more good towards decreasing suicides than so called gender affirming care does. Also, I have a solution to bullying, it's worked for centuries, it's what they did in my day. Turning a judicial blind eye when the bullied students finally stand up for themselves, rather than punishing them. Because if you ask the teachers, the good ones will tell you they know who the bullies are but they can't prove it because the bullies are smart enough not to do it where they can be seen.
I'm pretty sure all non-binaries demand far more respect than they are willing to dish out. I've never made anyone address me as a make-believe character as part of my normal day.
That's the way it was back in my day. Bullies are cowards. If they won't back off you have to hit them. Usually once is all it takes. My son had some asshole fucking with him in elementary school. I told him you're gonna have to smack him. He did. Problem solved.
Agreed. The guy who had been held back a few times and was a Senior while I was a freshman only bullied me once. He hit me in the face, I went down but grabbed his leg and dragged him down a flight of stairs.
When he broke free he decided I was crazy and not worth the effort. Good enough for me.
Right on!
Turning a judicial blind eye when the bullied students finally stand up for themselves, rather than punishing them. Because if you ask the teachers, the good ones will tell you they know who the bullies are but they can’t prove it because the bullies are smart enough not to do it where they can be seen.
Again, *in* school, half a dozen fights. Got one kid expelled, and two suspended, never as much as a detention myself as I never threw a punch. Stopped showing up for fights when the Vice Principal said to stop or the next time they'd have to do something about the number of fights I'd been in.
After school, football and wrestling, I broke the expelled kid's wrist after I got chop blocked and broke one of the other kid's nose, but that was as much an officiating issue as any sort of animosity.
As I mentioned when the story first broke, transphobes hate when you pour water on them.
“I’m melting”!
When you're a Leftist propagandist and there is a chosen person involved, absolutely.
Jacob, Jacob, Jacob. Schools have been trying to prevent bullying for 20+ years, been making it more than clear that it isn't tolerated. Let me clue you in on how it's worked out. Most the time, the bullies never get caught, because just as in my days (the 1980s and early 1990s) the bullies do their bullying where the teachers and such can't see it. And the teachers will tell you they know who the bullies are but knowing it and proving it are two different kettles of fish. Instead, what happens is that sooner or later the bullied student stands up for themselves and ends up getting punished (and quite often it's the bullies who then cry they're being bullied). To be narcissistic enough to demand other people use a plural pronoun to refer to a single individual (especially if they aren't a nominal hereditary head of state) makes me kind of wonder who the actual bully is in this case.
Additionally, just as I hypothesized earlier on this story, she was just as physically aggressive, but got her shit handed to her, and then wanted to cry about it. To fucking bad honey, no one has to play your make believe games, and if you start a fight you best be able to finish it. Taking on three in a constrained environment with only one exit is a pretty good recipe to getting your shit handed to you. Sorry you decided to take the long dirt nap because the world doesn't give into your every whim, but fuck that's called the human condition. Sorry, you're parents and teachers lied to you. You aren't special, no one really is. The best you can do is suck it up and drive on, try to make it a little better for others. Stop focusing on yourself and focus on others.
Very bad tactics trying to take on 3 solo. Find where they live take them out one at a time.
Unless you're Jackie Chan or Chuck Norris, I wouldn't suggest starting a fight one against three, especially in a confined space, with only one exit. And I'm still not sure why she felt the need to dump water on the three freshman if they just were saying something she didn't like. Either ignore them (which really pisses off a lot of bullies, simply ignoring them and not giving them the attention the want) or say something smart ass back to them. But going over and dumping water on their head is obviously taking it up a notch, which resulted in even further escalations and her getting her ass handed to her. By her reaction to fairly mild teasing (by her own statement she didn't know the girls and had never interacted with them, so it wasn't like this was persistent behavior either) it sounds a lot like this girl was a narcissist who couldn't handle it when the world refused to play by her rules. Also, there is a fairly significant correlation between narcissistic behavioral disorders and suicide, generally when the narcissists illusion of themselves is destroyed by reality.
All these non-binary folks are narcissists.
She was also there with a friend, so it was 3 against 2. Probably a good idea to make sure your friend has your back before you start shit.
Yeah, and how much of a friend is the friend if they don't have your back as three are handing your ass to you?
I blame her for not listening to one of the greatest artists of her state. Toby Keith sang about exactly that in 'As good as I once was'.
Clearly she wasn't as good as she might have been. She never had a being good at anything phase of life.
Starting a fight with those odds by throwing water is stupid. Starting a fight with those odds by throwing a bowling ball would be much better.
there is a fairly significant correlation between narcissistic behavioral disorders and suicide
Really? I've always heard that narcissists never kill themselves.
Sarcasm? I'm legitimately asking, because the internet has ruined us all at times.
No, not sarcasm. I guess I'm badly misinformed if you went there.
It's called narcissistic collapse, when the narcissist is humiliated or belittled in public and their personal illusion of themselves is challenged. It can lead to severe depression and reckless or impulsive behavior, including suicide or homicide.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/understanding-narcissism/202202/what-is-narcissistic-collapse
Also, there are three different types of narcissistic behavioral disorders. Some are more prone to suicide than others. But it comes down to the narcissist craves and demands the world validate their self worth and when it doesn't it can lead to severe anxiety and depression.
We should probably be thankful she opted only to off herself. There's been a couple cases lately of these types of narcissists deciding to off others before offing themselves, when the world refuses to conform to their demands.
Also, the more I read about this case, the more it sounds like narcissistic collapse. Her self worth was challenged by the beating she took, and the fact that the authorities, the cops, didn't play along with her being the victim. So, the next day she offs herself.
I'll show them.
I'llThey'll show them.fuck! my bad.
From her statement it appears she at times uses the plural, third person pronoun and at other times the singular, first person pronoun to refer to herself, but just gets upset when others don't use the plural, third person pronoun.
Yes, but when she/they did use her/them, she forgot to make it funny.
Narcisism isn't about having a rational view of oneself. If it was it would just be self confidence. As a diagnosed Narcisist I can assure you the confidence and assurance is all bullshit. It's a bluff and if that bluff gets called then bad things happen.
I'm much better now BTW. I had to develop coping mechanisms because there are no real cures. Just recognition that your bullshit isn't working and you need to deal with reality.
"Also, there is a fairly significant correlation between narcissistic behavioral disorders and suicide, generally when the narcissists illusion of themselves is destroyed by reality."
I do believe that Soldier is correct on this one. Suicide, really, is the most extreme form of self-punishment, and NO ONE deserves it! In the end, it is THEIR decision to do this! (I have had people close to me do it). Don't guilt-trip over it... "WHAT could I have done different?" worries are NOT going to change the past! But surely do NOT encourage or facilitate it! That's my advice, at least...
I'm a big fan of suicide. If the first half of the movie sucked there's no reason to stick around to see if the second half gets better. Punch out. There are billions of busy breeders out there. They'll make more kids.
'And I’m still not sure why she felt the need to dump water on the three freshman if they just were saying something she didn’t like.'
You really need that stint in camp if you forgot the "Words are Violence" doctrine. Unless you accept that mean words are actually worse than physical blows, you are not likely to get out of camp.
Sticks and stones can break... Ah never mind.
What can I say, I actually am a biologist, so, it's going to take some time for me to unlearn what I learned in eight years of college and nursing school.
Find where they live take them out one at a time.
That's what I've always said. Stand-up "fair" fights are macho bullshit. When you need to use violence against someone, do it by ambush when they're alone. Ideally, they never even see you. If you give them a fighting chance, you're not taking violence seriously.
By Dad taught me two things about fighting. First, don't fight unless you have no choice. Second, when you do decide to fight do everything possible to win. Fighting fair is only for the movies and books.
Your dad was smart. I almost never have anyone agree with me on this.
Ex 11B. It doesn't pay to fight fair when you're a grunt.
My father taught me neither life nor fights are fair; "fair" is something you pay the bus driver.
The Prozac she was prescribed (I'm assume it was prescribed) probably had more to do with her death than anything else mentioned in the story. That drug should be outlawed! It causes hallucinations and suicidal thoughts and is given out to teens as if it is candy.
Teens today go through the same emotional roller-coaster while going through puberty the as young people have for centuries, and physicians now prescribe them SSRIs/anti-depressant drugs which only make things worse.
(which really pisses off a lot of bullies, simply ignoring them and not giving them the attention the want)
At one point, before all the snowflakes, there was a distinction between getting picked on and bullying. Somebody laughing or making a snide comment because of some noteworthy personal trait wasn't nice but they weren't necessarily bullying you. Somebody making fun of you or physically assaulting you every day for an immutable personal characteristic was bullying you. People generally did both, bullies tended towards the latter.
IME, anyone picking on you, bully or other, was likely to decease if ignored. If they were bullying you, it was just as likely ignoring them made them more mad.
Not so much made them mad, as identifying you as somebody they could beat on without risking a broken nose.
All goodthinkers know the true cause of Nex's death was LibsofTikTok.
A mandatory hour of TikTok in social studies would have prevented it. (Probably)
I just saw this and it's hilarious.
So much bullying in this thread. Sarcasmic's feelings are surely hurt.
Maybe 'Nex' should have just stopped being fucking weird?
I bet she will Nex time.
this is funny.
Nothing new about disaffected kids deliberately becoming weirdos. If the "trans" thing weren't going on, she would have found another way to be fucking weird.
Fuck, just take up D&D and read fantasy/sci-fi like we did when I was in school.
And then become a libertarian or libertarian leaning conservative. Worked out alright for most of us here.
Maybe we should demand that the normies accommodate our fringe political and moral beliefs. And instead of special bathrooms give us free markets and absolution from most regulations.
I identify as a freeborn citizen with inalienable rights?
My pronouns are fuck and you. Or fuck and off.
Also non-sequitur but it's pretty amazing how many of those weird D&D kids, goths and emo kids end up in the US Army.
It’s also pretty weird how a lot of them grow up to be normal, functioning adults. It’s almost as if who you are in high school is not who you will be 20-30 years later.
Anyone who claims they would like the person they were in high school is either insane or an idiot. High school brings out the absolute worst in kids. To think those were your glory days is not healthy.
Whatever happened to just being a tom-boy?
I blame Hollywood, theyve stopped making the teen romcoms we grew up with where the tomboy friend suddenly decides to dress up as a girl and then the main male protagonist realizes he secretly loves her, because those kinds of movies 'are problematic'.
Clearly you don't watch Halmark channel.
Western civilization is coming to an end.
the one I've been with 28 years turned out super hot.
And whatever happened to just being a faggot, instead of thinking you have to become a girl? "Gender affirming care" is just another kind of conversion therapy.
It really is, there's actually a long history of it being used for exactly that.
Yes, castration of gay boys is an old tradition in many parts of the world.
Also, the whole Molly underground scene in 18th century London.
There wasn't castration but a lot of cross dressing involved.
Agreed. It's ultimately a rejection of self, which i believe makes living happily pretty difficult.
Not edgy enough.
Seriously, too many humans have an irrational urge to always push the boundaries and out-do whatever was beyond normal in the past generation.
I predict that next we will see trans-species surgery.
Paging Dr. Moreau…
It's already happened. Some freak overseas got surgery to look like a dragon. No shit. Look it up.
And the tiger guy before that.
Plenty of freaks out there.
My son reports that the majority of Computer Science majors at his college are actually furries. Some are cross dressing furries. Very disturbing.
“Gender affirming care” is just another kind of conversion therapy.
Disagree. Conversion therapy is exogenously imposed and, given the vague nature/definition/instantiation, applicable to all sins and apostates. Gender affirming care is, as frequently happens in the gay community, self-inflicted/self-oriented affliction.
Obviously, there is *lots* of ground covered by The Crusades, but one of the fairly large and fairly clear distinctions was the eradication of eunuchs and castrati from the Muslim-instilled culture until the waning of The Church towards the Rennaissance, Reformation, and Enlightenment. A lot of the friction between Greeks, Romans, and Jews was that the former two largely viewed circumcision and castration as identical practices and similarly/equally abhorrent.
Much like taking scalps, forcible castration is something that didn't originate or persist in The West virtually at all, but gets slurred in to support BOAF SIDEZ (there were no Dark Ages*, the Muslims didn't colonize Europe, they were just mostly peaceful immigrants, and The Crusades were nothing but a blight on humanity's soul) narratives.
*Despite historians at the time documenting it as such.
Why settle for tom-boy when you can be a trans-boy?
Or, reject sexism and make the girls' tent big enough for all girls. Just a suggestion.
Too local?
This is supposedly a Libertarian publication, but the utterings and reports from a government school and a government autopsy are taken without question. Shame on the author.
Someone doesn't understand libertarianism.
The same someone understands very little at all.
Fuck off and die, AB. Your family will be happy, as will your dog, shit-stain.
LOL
Guy from the "theres no way COVID came from the coronavirus lab, you wacky conspiracy theorist" tribe also thinks that a tranny kid committing suicide requires some grand scheme and coverup.
Are you going to be requiring proof that water is wet as well?
Sea lions already know all about water.
I think the real question is if s/he had Covid when s/he died.
'None of this excuses the bullying that Sue Benedict said Nex had repeatedly suffered at school.'
Excuse me, are you really advocating for censorship of how students speak to each other?
If so, fuck off.
Children these days need to learn about sticks and stones.
I'm betting the bullying involved other kids refusing to kowtow to her wishes, and addressing her by the pronoun that has been used since middle English, and is almost the same exact word used in old English (hire for her).
And the closest language to English, Dutch is haar. Henne in Norwegian, hendes in Danish, hennes Swedish, henner in Icelandic, hon in Faereose. It's almost as if the word is almost the same in all the Northern Germanics language family. It's also similar in Plattdeutsche and Saxon. Who would have thought.
Physical Bullying is an initiation of force. It should be met with extreme violence.
Verbal Bullying is just a fucking joke. If you are letting it get to you your parents aren't doing their job.
Gender disorder known to be definitively associated and classified as mental illness leads to death known to be associated with mental illness.
Everyone with a brain figured this on day 1
If Nex did in fact commit suicide, we can surmise that the bullying they encountered at school had something to do with it.
That is 100% grade-A absolute garbage. It’s a brazen deception. All you care about is the house of lies that is all LGBT/MSM narratives, and you made ZERO effort to actually look into any of this on your own.
See, we don’t NEED to surmise. We KNOW what happened. We KNOW that she got into a fight that she instigated against three girls who did the unforgivable high school act of snickering at her within earshot.
Quote: Nex claim[ed] that in the bathroom the girls said “something like: why do they laugh like that,” referring to Nex and [her] friends. “And so I went up there and I poured water on them, and then all three of them came at me[.]”
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https://apnews.com/article/nonbinary-student-death-nex-owasso-oklahoma-669bdc63e49929dd40da44416d633fab
And that's from the friggin' AP. You couldn't even bother with them, Reason?
SHE picked that fight. Over nothing. And then she got FAFO’d.
And then she went home and downed a bunch of prozac. Which, of course, she had a readily available supply of, because instead of ANYONE trying to get this girl the ACTUAL mental health help she clearly needed, they affirmed and encouraged her self-destructive behavior and needlessly medicated the depression and self-loathing that invariably results from it.
NOBODY cared about this girl. Not her parents, not the school, not the police, and sure as hell not the LGBT groomer cult as they cry their crocodile tears and move onto their next young victim – NOT A ONE OF THEM made even the slightest effort to help her break out of this social contagion she fell prey to. Even in death, you keep up with this non-binary they/them nonsense.
It wasn’t bullying that led to this girl’s death. It was affirmation.
And she is yet another needlessly dead kid that I promise you will herald a reckoning by parents nationwide against the LGBTP and their enablers unlike anything they could fathom in their worst nightmares in the very near future.
There was a late '60s rock organ hit done by someone who later had procedures to become a woman; good music, never heard any whining.
There is a free-market economist who does contribute here from time to time, ditto.
They were both old enough to examine and accept the results of their choices, so I can accept those as valid choices. By adults.
Like the self-satisfied whines from Greta, we need to learn that age 13 is not the appropriate time to make life choices, nor CHOICES TO FORCE THE REST OF THE WORLD TO LIVE BY YOUR IDIOCY, GRETA!.
Yup. Walter/Wendy Carlos. Maybe most famous for the analog synth stuff done in the A Clockwork Orange soundtrack. Whenever I’ve seen her on film she’s not raging about her identity. It’s just : “check out what this cool synthesizer can do”.
Well said. I'm going to plagiarize parts of your comment and use it elsewhere.
Should be sent around everywhere.
Well said.
hundey-p ^^
So it/they/them/xim/xer/xem joined the unfortunate 41 percent? Sad.
Btw, it/they/them/xim/xer/xem's untimely death is on Team Blue.
“..,,,,, said rep Mauree turner (d) Oklahoma City….”
Damn. What’s a guy/gal/they gotta do to get a DEMOCRATS POUNCE! around here?
"She"! By the way, she admitted she started the altercation by dumping water on one of the other girls.
Most parents and most children SEE that this person is not all there.
I’m forever amused by how if the victim of this kind is situation is one of their own, the left reflexively blames “rhetoric” or “environment of intolerance” as the cause, but if one of their own is the radicalized perpetrator, they’ll either ignore it or start reaching for context.
A trans shot up a church with a gun that had Palestine sticker. He/she was a notorious antisemite. Did the MSM wonder out aloud if college kids chanting for the genocide of Jews contributed to a hostile environment? They didn’t make that connection? Of course not, instead they complained about how the right “weaponized” plagiarism charges.
In some drug addled world these hapless nitwits live in, Donald Trump can hypnotize the masses into blaming Asians for Covid by saying “Kung Flu”. Millions of impressionable youth hang onto his every word and become MAGA army! Kick Trump off social media!
There’s a “Stop Asian Hate” text and art slapped on a building at a nearby park. At least in where I live, the most immediate danger faced by an Asian is not even black vagrants, but abusive Asian husbands, boyfriends and high school kids.
More than that: The narrative that wokists preferred was that a vagina-having-person was bullied in the girl's room because Oklahoma law required
herthem to use the girl's room. Do the activists really think "they" would have fared better in the boy's room? "They" wasn't ugly, and can you imagine the wokist wailing if bringing "their" vagina to the boy's room ended in rape?An individual restroom would have been far better for her, but trans activists rejected that.
" Although it's not clear what those indications were, Nex's demeanor during the police interview was completely calm, giving no sign that they were distraught, let alone upset enough to contemplate suicide."
That's " Nexs' ", you monster!
First, suicide is never the answer. Sorry. Where there is life, there is hope. You can make changes. She was 16, whole life ahead.
Who names their kid Nex? Just read someone named their son Vagina. They are just asking for their kids to be bully. Kids are mean. I was bully growing up I know. It's part of life though.
I somehow doubt that this altercation was a significant factor in her suicide.
I think that her parents gave her a girl's name at birth. When she decided she was neither girl nor boy, she gave herself the name "Nex".
NOw follow me here, libertarians, you just said a man should not be imprisoned for aiding his shooter son and you see this boy (because he is what he is) killing himself because fools and evil folks said he was a girl. Either say the whole trans thing is wrong or start legally assigning blame. That is the only logical approach.
MILEI made fools of you. YOu are either killing a baby or you are not killing a baby, none of this, well if YOU think it’s okay then you could not possibly be killing a baby utter drek
The same murderers who would have killed this boy as a 9-month pre-born let him be born to hell and then effectively killled him
any parent, normal child , or real teacher already knew this.
You can't lie about your gender and feel like you are in reality