Commander in Chains: 7 Scenarios If Trump Is Jailed and Wins the Election
There is nothing in the Constitution that prevents an inmate from winning the presidency.

In 1920, the perennial Socialist Party candidate Eugene V. Debs ran for president of the United States while serving time in a federal prison for delivering a seditious speech. He received nearly a million votes. His sentence was commuted by his erstwhile rival, the newly elected Republican Warren G. Harding, two days before Christmas in 1921.
No one expected Debs to actually win the White House. His best showing was in 1912, when he captured nearly 6 percent of the popular vote (but no presidential electors). So the nation has never had to seriously grapple with the possibility of someone winning the presidency while behind bars.
It might be time to think more seriously about that contingency. The Donald Trump years have brought many strange constitutional hypotheticals to life, and Trump promises more to come if he has a second term, recently demanding, for example, the courts must recognize "COMPLETE & TOTAL PRESIDENTIAL IMMUNITY" from all criminal acts that he might commit during a term of office. The 2024 elections promise more possibilities even before we get to serious third party candidacies or faithless electors.
Trump has not yet been outfitted with an orange jumpsuit, but stranger things have happened. The former president is now defending himself against four separate criminal indictments. The wheels of justice turn slowly, and these cases are unusually complicated. Moreover, Trump has an incentive to throw up as many procedural obstacles as possible with an expectation (an expectation that has not been legally tested) that all pending prosecutions will be put on hold if he were to return to the White House.
It is a decent bet that none of his criminal trials will reach a conclusion before November. But there is a genuine possibility that one or more of his trials could reach a verdict by Election Day. No doubt some of these prosecutions were brought with the hope of knocking Trump off the ballot, or at least damaging his candidacy, and some resemble more of a political Hail Mary than an ordinary criminal prosecution, but Trump faces a serious risk of conviction in at least some of them.
To briefly review, Trump is charged with election interference in New York, with a conspiracy to steal the 2020 election in Georgia, with mishandling national security documents and obstruction of justice in Florida, and with defrauding the federal government and obstructing a government proceeding in Washington, D.C. The first two of those cases were brought in state courts under state law by state prosecutors, and the other two were brought in federal courts under federal law by Department of Justice special counsel Jack Smith.
Of course, even if he were found guilty of a criminal charge in one or more of those cases, Trump could be expected to file appeals to those convictions. He would likely be released pending his appeals, which further reduces the likelihood that he would be serving a criminal sentence at the time of the election or even Inauguration Day.
There is nothing in the Constitution that prevents a current inmate of a state or federal penitentiary from running for or winning the presidency. Unsurprisingly, the constitutional framers did not anticipate the possibility that the American electorate might make such a choice, and so did not think to account for the possibility. Thus, we must now consider what would happen were Trump to be both criminally convicted and elected president.
If Trump is cooling his heels in the big house when Inauguration Day arrives, he could simply be sworn in as president in his prison cell. The presidential oath can be taken wherever the presidential designate happens to be at the time of his ascension to the office. Nothing says the president cannot be a convict, though the Department of Justice has insisted (when this was a live question under Nixon and Clinton) that a sitting president cannot be prosecuted. Joe Biden will stay out of prison—at least until he moves out of the White House.
Whether or not a president-elect is behind bars in the weeks after the election, what might we expect to happen?
1. A Pre-Inauguration Pardon
The most likely scenario might be that Trump would receive a pardon, or at least a commutation of his sentence, before Inauguration Day. The prospect of a president being sworn into office while behind bars is such a national embarrassment and potential constitutional crisis that responsible government officials may decide it necessary to spare the nation that particular nightmare.
When President Gerald Ford issued a pardon to former President Richard Nixon in September 1974, he explained: "My conscience tells me clearly and certainly that I cannot prolong the bad dreams that continue to reopen a chapter that is closed. My conscience tells me that only I, as president, have the constitutional power to firmly shut and seal this book. My conscience tells me it is my duty, not merely to proclaim domestic tranquility but to use every means that I have to ensure it."
As expected, the pardon damaged Ford's hopes of winning the presidency in his own right, but he believed the self-sacrifice was worth it to restore some normalcy after the Watergate scandal. The political costs to anyone pardoning Trump are also likely to be severe, but the national benefit of not inaugurating an inmate is arguably greater than that of turning the page on Nixon.
Trump's criminal liability is more complicated than was Nixon's. President Joe Biden could pardon Trump of his alleged federal crimes currently being prosecuted by Jack Smith. Biden's authority in regard to those crimes is plenary, but it expires at noon on Inauguration Day if he doesn't win in November. If Biden were to act at all, it would seem wise to do so shortly after the election rather than letting the situation draw out.
But Biden has no power to pardon Trump for his alleged state crimes. Georgia's Republican governor, Brian Kemp, does not have the authority to pardon Trump of any convictions that Fulton County District Attorney Fani T. Willis might win: The Georgia Constitution vests the pardon power in the State Board of Pardons and Paroles, which is composed of five members, all of whom were appointed by Republican governors. The board may not grant a pardon until a criminal sentence has been completed (or innocence has been proven), but it can commute a sentence when "such action would be in the best interests of society and the inmate." By contrast, New York Gov. Kathy Hochul, a Democrat, may grant reprieves, commutations, and pardons if Trump is convicted in the prosecution brought by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg.
2. An Impeachment
Perhaps the least likely scenario is that Congress rises to the challenge of what to do about an individual elected to serve as president who is currently an inmate. The House could adopt articles of impeachment holding that the crimes for which Trump had been convicted in state or federal court also qualified as high crimes and misdemeanors. The Senate could then try Trump on those articles of impeachment, with a conviction resulting in Trump's removal from office. Since Republicans currently control the House, it seems unlikely they would take this step. Even if they did, conviction in the Senate would hardly be assured. There are serious constitutional challenges to this path, which would undoubtedly increase the difficulty of persuading a necessary number of legislators to follow along.
First, the federal charges arising from Trump's actions in Mar-a-Lago involve his conduct when he was out of office. Whether a federal officer can be impeached for out-of-office misbehavior is constitutionally unsettled, at best.
Second, the other three prosecutions all involve Trump's conduct while still serving as president, but the Senate has already demonstrated that it is skittish about the prospect of convicting a former officer for misconduct while in office.
Third, the House has never impeached a private individual before he assumed a federal office. A pre-inauguration impeachment would require that the House be willing to take that unprecedented step and overcome the constitutional objections that would necessarily arise.
Fourth, it is not at all clear that the Senate can preemptively bar an individual from assuming office. The Constitution specifies that a sitting officer "shall be removed" upon conviction, but there can be no removal if Trump has not yet been inaugurated. The Senate can follow a conviction by disqualifying an individual from holding future federal office. The Senate has worked on the assumption that it can disqualify someone convicted in an impeachment by a subsequent simple-majority vote. This approach might make disqualification easier to win in the punishment phase, but it would also likely make conviction more difficult.
Congress could minimize some of these constitutional and political concerns by waiting to impeach and convict until after Trump is inaugurated. The newly elected House of Representatives will be sworn in on January 3, 2025, more than two weeks before Inauguration Day. A newly elected Democratic majority could move swiftly ahead with an impeachment of President-elect Trump as soon as the 119th Congress is convened. (Impeachment would presumably be a nonstarter if Trump's electoral coattails bring a Republican House majority.) If it so chose, the Senate could hold off on taking a vote to convict in an impeachment trial until the moment after Trump takes his oath of office. Immediately upon conviction, Trump would be removed from his new office.
Alternatively, the House could wait until Trump was sworn in to vote on articles of impeachment. Delaying the proceedings might avoid some constitutional questions about impeaching individuals before they take office, but it would still not avoid the problem of impeaching an individual for actions that took place before he assumed his current office.
3. A Post-Inauguration Disability
The 25th Amendment is being recognized more and more. Adopted in the wake of President John F. Kennedy's assassination, the amendment provides for the possibility of a still-living president unable to perform the duties of his office. Section 4 of the amendment has been much discussed of late, since it allows the Cabinet to involuntarily strip the president of his powers. There is essentially no chance that a Trump-appointed Cabinet would invoke Section 4 under these circumstances.
Section 3 has been the most used provision of the amendment, and it provides for the possibility that the president might voluntarily transmit to the leaders of Congress "his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President."
Presidents have used Section 3 when, for example, they expect to be under anesthesia. President Ronald Reagan somewhat reluctantly invoked this provision before undergoing surgery in 1985. President George W. Bush invoked it twice while he underwent colonoscopies. In 1988, a distinguished commission recommended that presidents put plans in place for invoking Section 3 in a variety of medical situations that would render the president temporarily unable to perform his duties.
Neither the Constitution nor practice has clarified what might render a president "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office." Nothing prevents a newly inaugurated Trump from determining that his imprisonment constitutes such an incapacity necessitating he designate his vice president as acting president. As acting president, the vice president could immediately issue a pardon of Trump for any federal crimes. Trump, thus relieved of his criminal punishment, could then inform Congress that he is resuming his presidential duties and fly the coop aboard Marine One within minutes of his swearing in.
Of course, the pardon of an acting president could not reach punishments for state crimes. If Trump finds himself in a state prison in Georgia or New York on Inauguration Day, the 25th Amendment gambit will not work. It is, however, the safest way for Trump to receive a valid presidential pardon after his inauguration.
4. A Post-Inauguration Self-Pardon
Alternatively, a newly inaugurated Trump could dispense with the complications of the 25th Amendment and instead simply issue a pardon to himself for his federal crimes. This would be a legally risky strategy. There are good reasons for thinking that a self-pardon would not be constitutionally valid.
The director of the Federal Bureau of Prisons could presumably be persuaded to take the president's word for the validity of his self-pardon and see to his release. He would likely need a pliant attorney general and Office of Legal Counsel in place to provide legal cover, which would necessitate waiting until such officers could be appointed.
The validity of a self-pardon would undoubtedly be litigated. Trump would no doubt be able to wait out the litigation from the White House rather than from a prison cell. But with such a novel and difficult constitutional question, it is far from certain how the courts would resolve such a case. Ultimately, the question would have to be resolved by the Supreme Court.
If Trump had issued a self-pardon in his first term of office, it seems entirely plausible that the justices might have ruled it out of bounds. As a practical matter, though, Trump would back the Court into a difficult corner if he launched his second term of office with a self-pardon. In that situation, the justices would understand that declaring the pardon invalid would create an immediate constitutional crisis over whether the president would voluntarily return to prison. Faced with such high stakes, a majority of the justices might be willing to swallow their doubts and uphold Trump's self-pardon.
5. A Trump Resignation
There is always the possibility that an incarcerated Trump could recognize that he should decline to serve as president for the good of the country. He could declare his intentions before Inauguration Day or be sworn in and then immediately resign. In either case, the duly elected vice president would become the president.
Such a prison-house conversion seems extremely unlikely.
As long as we're reaching, there are two more scenarios that are at least possible. They are even more far-fetched than the resignation, but this is Trump that we're talking about. Who can say that he might not prefer the unexpected?
6. A Prison Presidency
We've all seen TV shows where an incarcerated mob boss keeps pulling the strings of his criminal organization from his jail cell. Trump is sometimes likened to a mob boss. Perhaps he would enjoy the drama and spectacle of being the leader of the free world from a customized and lavishly appointed wing of a penitentiary. State and federal officials might be willing to make such accommodations, even if they are not willing to simply let Trump go. If he can't go to the White House, then he can make White House operations come to him. He could meet with foreign dignitaries and congressional leaders in the prison yard. His chief of staff could set up shop in the cell next door to Trump's own. Donny from Queens could become The Kingpin.
7. A Presidential Prison Break
These are all legalistic scenarios, even if the legal strategies are sometimes a stretch. But why be limited by mere legalities? Trump likes to toy with raw power.
If he were confined in a federal prison on Inauguration Day, President Trump could simply order any and all necessary executive officers to release him from his cage. If some of those officers were not sufficiently pliant to his demands, he could remove and replace them with more accommodating substitutes. Trump might not bother to supply those officers with even the legal fig leaf of a self-pardon. He could simply order them to act and promise to pardon them if there are any legal consequences for their escorting him out of prison.
Trump would be daring Congress or the courts to stop him. But maybe the lesson he took away from his first term of office was that he could win such a dare.
If he were confined to a state prison on Inauguration Day, President Trump could not just issue orders to his jailers. Things would have to be done the hard way. Trump might expect the U.S. military to rescue the commander in chief from his imprisonment and overawe or overwhelm any resistance it might encounter in doing so. The military would perhaps be unwilling to obey such orders, but that would not necessarily deter him from trying to find a sufficient pocket of loyalists in the federal ranks who would be willing to storm a state prison complex on the president's orders.
The events of January 6, 2021, demonstrated that at least some Trump supporters were willing to riot on his behalf. It is unclear whether he still commands that level of passion, but perhaps there are those who would be willing to take up arms if he were to call out to them. Rather than imagining themselves as American patriots circa 1776, they would instead have to imagine themselves as French revolutionaries circa 1789 as they stormed their American Bastille. Whether taking to the streets to prevent Trump from being taken into custody in the first place or mustering outside the prison gates in an attempt to break him out, they would have no need to wait until Inauguration Day to liberate their hero.
Trump once bragged, "I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump—I have the tough people, but they don't play it tough—until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad." Very, very bad indeed
What If a Candidate or President-Elect Is Incapacitated?
We are on the path to nominating two presidential candidates well over the age of 75. From an actuarial perspective, this seems unwise.
If a newly inaugurated president were to suffer a major medical event in the moments after being sworn into office, the path forward would at least be clear: The 25th Amendment would kick into gear. If the president were to die, the vice president would become president and would select a new vice president to be confirmed by the Senate and the House.* If the president were to be left severely impaired but alive, the president could voluntarily and temporarily turn over his duties to the vice president. If he were unable to do so voluntarily, the vice president and a majority of the members of the Cabinet could vote to temporarily take the powers from him.
If a president-elect were to die before being sworn into office, the 20th Amendment specifies that the vice president–elect would be sworn in as president in his stead. If the president-elect were alive but unable to take the oath of office, the situation is not so clear, but most likely the vice president–elect would be sworn in, perhaps as acting president, and immediately begin to exercise the powers of the office.
Of course, the next American president will not truly be elected until the Electoral College casts its ballots on December 17, 2024. Once the electors have voted, their choice is locked in. If the nominal president-elect were to shuffle off this mortal coil before the electors meet, they could have a relatively free hand to choose someone else, but they most likely would be expected to choose the successful presidential running mate. (In 1872, one of the candidates did in fact die after Election Day and before the Electoral College met. He had lost the contest, so the question of who would get his votes was academic; the electors split their ballots among several figures, with three attempting to cast votes for the corpse.)
If a presidential candidate were to die shortly before the general election on November 5, 2024, his name would remain on the ballot and voters pulling that lever would in reality be choosing a slate of that candidate's presidential electors. If something were to happen to a candidate after the nominating convention but before ballots are printed and early voting begins? Well, then things get complicated, depending on each political party's own rules.
Essentially, if the Republican presidential nomination unexpectedly became vacant, the Republican National Committee would fill the slot using voting rules comparable to those of the national convention. If Biden were to vacate the nomination for any reason before early voting began, the Democratic National Committee would vote for a new presidential nominee.
*CORRECTION: The original version of this article mischaracterized the confirmation process under the 25th Amendment.
This article originally appeared in print under the headline "Commander in Chains?."
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Wildest speculation of all: Hell freezes over, Trumpanzees wake up, and stop supporting The Donald from Hell! And the nightmare of sensible people comes to a screeching halt!
Since I wouldn't pay $0.01 for a lifetime Reason Plus membership, this might be the last time I get to expose the fundamental dishonesty of Squirrely's gimmick.
You've probably seen him act like he's horrified by stolen election conspiracy theories. You've probably also seen him wet his pants at the idea that those theories will inspire extremists to get violent.
You'd expect a commenter with that mindset to still be traumatized by the story of James Hodgkinson - the progressive psychopath who consumed months of RUSSIA HACKED THE ELECTION lunacy, then tried to massacre Republican Congressmen.
You'd be wrong though. Far from being traumatized by this act of domestic terrorism, Squirrely forgot it happened:
I don’t recall any “HillaryPanzees gone apeshit” and saying “kill him with his own gun”? Got any cites on that?
#Oops
I'm not buying in either. It'll just be one of several no-charge forums I've lost recently. The Fuselage was grounded, my Web host stopped hosting, Deja Google stopped updating, and DumCoach closed for real this time. Quora looked promising for a while but has turned to shit, although I'm still participating there.
So seriously, where to look next?
I get both the satisfaction of venting about our current idiocracy and actually learn things of substance not available from other sources.
You could continue to read Reason.com for their "fair and balanced" coverage (which you can get NO WHERE else). And if your skinflint ass can NOT cough up $25 per year from your welfare check, you could just SHUT YOUR ILL-INFORMED AND MALEVOLENT, FREEDOM-HATING yap! You could share your opinions with brick walls only, and the world would be better off!
Aww. I was hoping that the $25 would get rid of Shillsy.
They haven’t gotten rid of those of us that haven’t paid yet.
I wouldn't pay to be a member on any controversy site like this one. Giving the powers that be our financial info is a short step away from being doxxed and having our accounts frozen during the next manufactured crisis. Not that we aren't already in a bunch of databases (and only the bureaucrats' complete incompetence keeps them from harassing us, for now). I mainly came here for the comments (the same ones and the funny ones) but I'll probably stop giving Reason my clicks once they implement their new policy. I noticed other sites are doing the same thing at the same time (it's pretty suspicious).
Twatabout Hodgkinson's diseased mind?
Butt, whatabout that them thar whatabouts? Whatabout Hillary? Whatabout OJ Simpson?
How many brain cells does it take to run a socio-political simulation on the following:
Judge and Jury: “Murderer, we find you guilty of murder! 20 years in the hoosegow for YOU! Now OFF with ye!”
Murderer: “But OJ Simpson got off for murder, why not me? We’re all equal, and need to be treated likewise-equal!”
Judge and Jury: “Oh, yes, sure, we forgot about that! You’re free to go! Have a good life, and try not to murder too many MORE people, please! Goodbye!”
Now WHERE does this line of thinking and acting lead to? Think REALLY-REALLY HARD now, please! What ABOUT OJ Simpson, now? Can we make progress towards peace & justice in this fashion?
(Ass for me, I think we should have PUT THE SQUEEZE on OJ!)
Sandranistas and twatabouts are part of the problem, NOT a part of the solution!
I am still trying to figure out if SQRLSY is a clever schtick (at least in staying in demented character) or a truly deranged institutional inmate. If the later, then he might also vanish in the paywall purge.
He's truly deranged but not as much as he seems.
My amateur armchair psychoanalysis is thus:
He's in his late 60s - 70s. He's married to a pleasant but rather dull and dumb woman who was convinced early on into believing that he's far smarter than he is. He dominates her and treats her like a servant, but she idolizes him. They probably have a child or two but they left the home decades ago and are estranged.
He's a child of the sixties and he still see's the world through it's paradigms, left and right, conservative and liberal.
He's been treated for mental issues before, hence his hatred of psychiatrics and adoption of the "Sqrlsy" moniker. His IQ is probably smack on 100. He doesn't have many friends but those who are, like his wife, are far less intelligent (75-90) and think he's the smart one.
This feeds his ego. For decades he's been able to pontificate without being challenged. He's never had to verify or research the things he's said. Just read a little Popular Science and USA Today. His wife and friends don't really understand what he's talking about, but think it sounds smart and they admire him for it.
This is the reason why he developed a pompous, bombastic, grandiloquent language style (packed with malapropisms). Because that's what works on his wife and friends.
After fifty+ years of doing this he now truly believes the garbage he spouts is witty, humorous, and inspired. He gets enraged when it doesn't work and falls back on trolling and spamming.
Because he's a bein-pensant midwit, incurious, and a lazy thinker he's always relied on corporate media for his ideas and opinions. He'll never look at the original academic paper, bill, ruling, post, video, or document himself to determine the veracity of what he's being told. All his knowledge is received wisdom, and, like many boomers, if it comes from a corporate source he wholeheartedly believes it.
He's been a bullshit artist with friends and family for so long now, when we counter his received narratives he thinks we're doing the same thing he does. They can't possibly be lying to him, so we must be the liars, trying to look smart like he does. No matter how much evidence is before him, if corporate media isn't telling him it, then it's not true.
He’s also probably the dungeon master.
In any event, it should be put down.
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So far off, shit's not even wrong!
Marxist Mammary-Fuhrer, my take on stuff is derived from Reason (logic), is data-driven, and is benevolent! All of which You Perfectly know NOTHING about!
A good summary of wisdom and benevolence is as below... I bet, in a million years, You could Perfectly NEVER touch writing something as data-driven and benevolent as the below-contained link contents are!
Mission accomplished! I’ve now shown yet AGAIN that the hordes of small-minded “conservatives” here on these comment pages are intellectually, morally, and spiritually bankrupt! For lack of ANY factual or logical and benevolent-minded response, they variously resort to endlessly repeated lies, grade-school-level vapid insults, and even stoop so low as to encourage the smarter and more benevolent posters to commit suicide! They are indeed vapid and vile vipers!
I for one can’t STAND the idea that a casual reader here of a libertarian news and commenting site would read the vapid and vile comments, and conclude, “Oh, so THAT’s what libertarians are all about!” No, it’s just that libertarians (and VERY few others) still believe in free speech, so the troglodytes come HERE, where their vile lies & vapid insults will NOT be taken down!
The intelligent, well-informed, and benevolent members of tribes have ALWAYS been feared and resented by those who are made to look relatively worse (often FAR worse), as compared to the advanced ones. Especially when the advanced ones denigrate tribalism. The advanced ones DARE to openly mock “MY Tribe’s lies leading to violence against your tribe GOOD! Your tribe’s lies leading to violence against MY Tribe BAD! VERY bad!” And then that’s when the Jesus-killers, Mahatma Gandhi-killers, Martin Luther King Jr.-killers, etc., unsheath their long knives!
“Do-gooder derogation” (look it up) is a socio-biologically programmed instinct. SOME of us are ethically advanced enough to overcome it, using benevolence and free will! For details, see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/ and http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ .
In conclusion, troglodytes, thanks for helping me to prove my points!
Then they crucified Jesus, 'cause Jesus made them look bad! ALSO because Jesus made them look bad FOR THEIR STUPID, HIDE-BOUND TRIBALISM! "The parable of the Good Samaritan" was VERY pointed, because the Samaritans were of the WRONG tribe, in the eyes of "Good Jews" of the day.
Instead of KILLING Jesus, Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., etc., we’d be better VOTING for these kinds of people! But we will NOT, ’cause they Hurt Our Precious Baby Feelings, by giving tribalism and do-gooder derogation the disrespect that they (we self-righteous tribalists) SOOO thoroughly deserve!
Nobody’s reading all this shitsy.
I know! Y'all are too stupid and too lazy to read ANYTHING of honest substance!!!
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They’re just gray boxes, stuffed with gibber.
"shit’s not even wrong!"
I know.
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I am still betting on institutionalized.
All I wanted was a Pepsi.
Don't forget that he's a coprophage.
My amateur armchair psychoanalysis is thus:
Now do Sevo.
Good one!
Or Nadless Nardless the Nasty NAZI... Come to think of shit, I've not seen him lately. Good riddance if he's gone!
To be fair, Reason may not charge to comment after the election is triumphantly won by the incumbent.
For now they need to do their part to help keep the “adults” in power.
Thank you!!! I actually never thought of that, about Reason policies...
Long live the “adults” in power!!!
(It would be NICE, though, to play it safer, and put YOUNGER adults into power!)
Even wilder speculation: In a sudden, unexpected fit of remorse, the left decides to stop weaponizing our federal and state judicial systems to go after their political enemies and drops all of these bogus charges against Trump. This is, of course, fantasy land because the left will never give up their banana republic-style Marxist tactics to destroy the opposition.
Nah, it will be necessary to use force to defend ourselves from them. We’re already at that point.
It’s them or us. I prefer us.
Whittington typed this with one hand. The other was down xer's pants.
Hitler's Christian National Socialists, including its Fuhrer and Agitpropper, wives and kids, turned up poisoned, hanged, shot and bled by suicide everywhere as of May 1945. America's Christian Confederate girl-rapers and slavers did likewise after Billy Sherman burned Atlanta. Mystical brainwashing comes with its own correcting mechanism--the altruist magnetic moment of attraction to death.
Nazi’s weren’t Christians, no matter how much your bigoted ass tries to claim otherwise, Hankypoo.
Congrats, Republicans!
Democrats know they can't make a compelling case for giving Dementia Joe a second term. So they want the election to be about exactly the issues described in this article.
But keep "owning the libs" by doing what "the libs" want you to do. Worked out great in the midterms!
Hey Sandra, since I wouldn't pay $0.01 for a lifetime Reason Plus membership, this might be the last time I get to ask as well:
How's that prediction that neither Trump nor DeSantis could beat Biden in a popular election (but DeSantis having a better chance than Trump) unless Biden put boots on the ground in Ukraine turning out?
You should slip back into your OBL persona and tell us how you're reluctantly and strategically trying to convince us that DeSantis and Haley were the real correct choices because, when it comes to the GOP, they're the adults in the room.
Didn't we just do this?
I still think a Democrat will win in November. Probably Biden, although I don't rule out his babysitters deciding he's too feeble. (Newsom would also be acceptable to the vast majority of Biden voters.)
Why don't you interrogate one of the Trump fans here who think 2020 was stolen. Ask them how the shadowy forces that succeeded in rigging an election *against a sitting President* could possibly fail to duplicate that, against a private citizen, with 4 additional years to prepare.
Because if Trump wins again I admit I'll look silly. But not as silly as anyone who has to explain why THE DEEP STATE went on hiatus in 2024.
"explain why THE DEEP STATE went on hiatus in 2024"
Alright Sandy, I love you and OBL, but I'm going to need you to explain this one to me.
What are the current, very public attempts to impoverish and imprison Trump over novel and nonsensical new crimes and the efforts to remove him from the ballot in three states for doing something he's never been convicted or even charged for, if not that?
If that's not the "deep state" in action I don't know what is.
That and the IC and FBI already talking about misinformation and foreign election influence. The charges to Smirnov over effecting the elections.
I'm really questioning what happened with Musk to bring back the dead naming rule, best guess is advertisers are stomping their feet again.
The fear over state laws about political speech and social media.
Multiple Elias election suits ongoing.
Same shit as 2020 and 2022.
Tried to show Sandra the fact that the states where the red wave didn't occur in 2022 were the same states that kept the 2020 laws and fraudulent voting. We have now seen 3 elections overturned since 2020 regarding ballot harvesting.
The same shit is going on.
Sandra is canny and whip smart, but there's a blind spot around all these obvious "deep state" shenanigans that I don't understand.
Not to mention having a raging case of TDS.
I'm on record opposing efforts to throw Trump off the ballot. That's not what I'm talking about though.
Recall the rallying cry of the 2020-was-stolen crowd: "Ain't no way Biden got 81,000,000 votes!" In this theory, the election was rigged in the sense that millions of fake Biden votes were added to the total.
Anyone who believes that happened in 2020 must assume it'll happen again. So if Trump wins in 2024, they'll have to explain why the vote-conjuring election fraudsters somehow got worse at their job.
"I’m on record opposing efforts to throw Trump off the ballot. That’s not what I’m talking about though."
But Sandra, that's the "deep state" in action though.
And if they're willing to create loads of novel charges and unconstitutional ballot removals, do you think election tampering is outside their wheelhouse? That the party of Tammany Hall and the Chicago Machine would never think to fiddle with mail-in ballots and tamper with results?
I don't see how y'all aren't all basically arguing the same side.
It happened in 2022 for states that codified the illegal election changes of 2020. There is finally a spot light being put on mail in ballot corruption given democrats acting more boldly with fraudulent ballots.
“….,fraudsters somehow got worse at their job.”
Pulling off something like that twice in a row without the cover of pandemic hysteria and widespread rioting could be difficult even for seasoned “fraudsters”. Just sayin’.
"Then a Miracle Happened, and Jesus Righted what was Wrong." See? It'll be just like Lazarus all flyblown and maggot-laden, rising up in the pink and thanking Jesus. Standing ovation at CPAC and other Klaverns. Consistency is waived.
Is one of these two psychopaths you, Hank?
It could have happened in 2020. It’s more likely that it came down to 10’s (maybe 100’s) of thousands of votes in a few key places.
It’s not outside the realm of possibility that Trump could garner enough votes that the Democrats can’t out-manufacture him. Hell, it’s not outside the realm of possibility that the Republicans try to out-manufacture the Dems.
I don’t think it’s so much about looking silly as it is underestimating how truly vile the dems are, or maybe just thinking that their poison ideology would hold together until November.
Recency bias will not be sleepy joes friend.
Didn’t we just do this?
Sorry, I tend to stop paying attention when you started listing in a Reason Magazine/SQRLSY direction non-satirically.
Why don’t you interrogate one of the Trump fans here who think 2020 was stolen. Ask them how the shadowy forces that succeeded in rigging an election *against a sitting President* could possibly fail to duplicate that, against a private citizen, with 4 additional years to prepare.
Uh, so, because The Deep State is going to win, Trump supporters should reluctantly and strategically support Ronnie D. or Haley?
But not as silly as anyone who has to explain why THE DEEP STATE went on hiatus in 2024.
So you're saying they didn't/couldn't steal/secure/engineer the 2020 election but they *will* steal/secure/engineeer the 2024 election? And you're doing that under the premise that there was nothing obviously exceptional going on otherwise in 2020? And that even if *you* haven't learned anything since 2020, nobody else anywhere has seen anything or learned anything since 2020? And, again, that even if all of the above somehow makes sense Ronnie D. and Haley are still the reluctant and strategic adults in the room that we should all support as though it makes a difference?
I'd say you don't have to wait until 2024 to look silly any more than SQRLSY or JFree have to wait. I certainly grant, not nearly as silly, but silly nonetheless.
I've got no general problem with a black pill, "It doesn't matter who you vote for." narrative. It's the patently obvious, nonsensical, and *very* TDS 'merited impossibility' of "It doesn't matter who you vote for but it's worse if you vote for Trump." that comes across as, you know, Reason-style reluctantly and strategically "don't believe your lying eyes" pro-establishment.
If do, then there will be a revolution. Which cannot happen soon enough.
At the GLORIOUS revolution, the Punk Boogers will be wrapped tightly up into snot rags, and BURNED!!! Which cannot happen soon enough!!! (I for one, sure hope that they then take the resulting ashes, incorporate them into solid glass, ass they do with certain radioactive wastes, and then send them into ocean-bottom mud, to be sucked into subduction zones for tens of millions of years... To be SAFE!!! NUKE those ashes from orbit, would possibly work, ass well!!!)
There will be no revolution. The sheep will shrug and queue up just like they did in 2020 during COVID.
The Dems rode on Libertarian Roe laurels since early 1973, and let the Comstock Elephant sing the Jackass to sleep on the ERA and permanent individual rights for women. A doddering feminist Justice dropped dead instead of retiring, and the Army of God, Klan, Society for the Banning of Books and Beatles Albums, Birchers and totalitarian televangelists sprang up with Orange Tea Party Hypnotist to literally reenslave women in superstitious barbarism. Turns out jackasses learn when whopped upside! Mule trainer joke (https://bit.ly/3QpGuKk)
Orange purple abacus fish tank.
Night is day, dark is light, and good is evil! Also sprach Marxist Moose-Mammary-Necrophilia-Farter-Fuhrer!!!
Still shilling for Hailey are you? Keep standing with the corrupt cunts in the Democrat party.
"The prospect of a president being sworn into office while behind bars is such a national embarrassment and potential constitutional crisis that responsible government officials may decide it necessary to spare the nation that particular nightmare."
The idea that there are responsible government officials in the Biden regime that give a shit about sparing the nation is absurd. Their open contempt for a rule of law is the reason Trump is being prosecuted in the first place.
But that's true only as long as they've no fear of their heads winding up on pikes.
You would think Reason would be more embarrassed from sitting quietly by as political lawfare was used to lock up a political enemy after their crocodile cheers about Russia and Navalny.
And you would be wrong.
Lissen, they have to, regretfully and strategically, vote Democrat. Again. And again. And again.
Because Our Precious Democracy is in danger.
The prospect of a senile octogenarian being sworn into office while he doesn't know where he is or why he is there is also a national embarrassment.
So I suspect the Dems will replace him, after he wins the fortified election, and before the Electoral College votes. Doing it that way keeps the Electors committed to voting for Harris as VP, and lets them replace Biden with anyone at all -- Newsom, Whitmer, Oprah, Mrs. Obama, etc.
I still think they’re going to pull Biden just before and throw someone new into the ring with little to no campaign time. Then fortify while running a media blitz about how loved and necessary so and so is.
I think so as well.
Although they wont have to run a media blitz as the media will do that for them ... in kind donation - free of charge and free of consequences of election funding rules
What makes anyone think legalities would matter to a case such as this? If Trump were both elected and convicted, people would revolt, and everybody around the world would see American self-government had been a sham. Because nobody wants to see, nor the rest of the world to see, literal blood in the streets of the USA, then as election day nears, if Trump has so much as a good chance of winning the election, any serious threat to jail him would stop.
"If Trump were both elected and convicted, people would revolt,"
As long as their stomachs are full they won't revolt. Look at Jan. 6th. A bison horned, face painted cosplay is not a revolt.
At least THIS TDS-addled nazi admits that 1/6 was a protest, nothing more.
A bison horned, face painted cosplay is not a revolt.
No, it is not.
The purpose of calling what happened an “insurrection” was to trigger laws meant to bar Civil War losers from political office. It’s disingenuous at best, and mendacious at worst.
Similarly, the purpose of calling the current wave of immigrants an “invasion” is to trigger laws meant to repel an invading army of armed soldiers with an army of armed soldiers. Again, it’s disingenuous at best, and mendacious at worst.
Yes, both sides.
You cheer and mock the death and arrests of the J6 rioters after spending a summer crying over unmarked vans used against BLM rioters.
Fuck off.
Here comes the wannabe cop with his boilerplate lies. You go girl!
Question for you sarc... who the fuck do you think you're fooling?
Himself. He’s fooled himself. He’s broken. The left is putting journalists in leg irons and he still has to boaf sidez.
He fools himself for sure. A pathalogical delusion.
He is broken……
“Drinking alcohol is linked to reduced volume of the brain's white matter, which helps to transmit signals between different brain regions. This can lead to issues with the way the brain functions. Alcohol consumption above recommended limits (of 14 units per week) over a long period of time may shrink the parts of the brain involved in memory. Drinking more than 28 units per week can lead to a sharper decline in thinking skills as people get older.
Long-term heavy drinking can also result in a lack of vitamin B1 (thiamine) and Wernicke-Korsakoff syndrome which affects short-term memory.
Alcohol-related brain damage (ARBD) is a brain disorder which covers several different conditions including Wernicke-Korsakoff syndrome and alcohol-related dementia. It is caused by regularly drinking too much alcohol over several years.”
-The Alzheimer’s Society
This explains a LOT about Sarc.
Pour sarc.
You don’t call hordes of illegals coming across the border unimpeded an invasion? I seem to remember reading that Rome believed the invasion by barbarians would never turn into a real problem either.
I think Native Americans could have called the European settlers an invasion and been accurate. Just sayin.
Weird take since you've supported the 1200 arrested and charged over J6.
Aw shucks. You say that to everyone you hate? And here I thought I was special.
I say that to people who do buddy =)
I know you’re pathalogical and all. But youre too dumb to lie about your past positions. Why you’ve been forced into teaming up with Jeff and shrike.
Riiiiight. You spend more time calling people liars for disagreeing with what you claim they they think than anything else in these comments.
I did notice you make no effort to refute the fact that you attack those who denounce murder.
Others noticed as well I hope.
He calls liars like you, the pedophile, and the fat pedophile, liars. Because you are all inveterate liars. You’re regularly caught in lies here.
Maybe if you started being honest you would be treated better. It also helps if you don’t get drunk and threaten your betters. Your betters being pretty much everyone.
We all know you won’t change.
Because nobody wants to see, nor the rest of the world to see, literal blood in the streets of the USA
The fact that myself and jeff are attacked whenever we denounce one of the commentariat calling for the murder or extermination of “leftists” (anyone who doesn’t support Trump) makes me seriously doubt that.
The only people who would demand I provide links are the same people who attack me and jeff when we denounce calls for violence and death in the name of Trump.
I'm sure they'll be along shortly to call me a Democrat and a leftist.
This self-centered, TDS-addled shit-pile, claiming to be a 'victim', since he's called on his constant bullshit, has not yet and never will understand. Between his narcissism and TDS, he's incapable of doing so.
Fuck off and die, and take that other asshole with you.
Yeah. He has a shit ton of mental issues.
How fucking delusional are you? You and Jeff have cheered on the political use of lawfare. You’ve mocked the death and arrests of GOP protestors.
I’m glad you out yourself in the same boat as Jeff because your both statist cosplaying as libertarians.
You’ve defended violent leftists such as Antifa and never called them out. You’ve defended use of FACE act to go after non violent abortion protestors. You push leftist narratives like trump is hitler while both of you use your own dehumanizing language. Youre just as bad as those you claim to be against. Lol.
What is weird is you cling on to the open border mantra while denying the state is spending 10s of billions of dollars taken from the populace.
If you want I can start posting all your threats if violence to show your hypocrisy.
Like this one:
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If you said that to me in public, and I put your internet-tuff-gai-ass in the hospital, the cops would laugh at you when you tried to press charges.
Or
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I was going to add something about people who might be splattered by the mess, but nobody cares about your alone ass. Shit. Nobody will know you’re missed until they shut the power off and things start to smell.
Youre a literal piece of shit sarc. A giant piece of hypocritical shit.
Like clockwork.
Yes. Your delusions and hypocrisy are indeed clockwork.
The funny thing about that second statement? You immediately tried to blame Sevo after making it. Lol.
Sure, whatever you say.
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I apologize.
That was something Sevo would say.
I’ve got more class than that.
Sorry.
The ending it with a lie is the chefs kiss.
The funnier thing about the second one is it's pure democrat projection. He knows nobody would look for him until they were trying to figure out why the alley smelled like rotting meat.
Well, I suppose that's not fair. The junkies he gives quarter hoblows to so he can afford his Thunderbird would probably miss his mouth, at least.
Of course! The idiots attacking you are all Lewsers I Mooted the day the Moot Lewser button became a thing. (I peeked) Sure seems a waste of life expectancy to interact with masked agents planted here to wreck the LP. A better use of time is "The Wasp," by Eric Frank Russell, or "The Great Explosion" by that same libertarian writer. It is your trip, so be my guest. But infiltration tactics were ancient when America was a colony.
How about when your threatened to be the up a year ago? I mean, you couldn’t, and I would savagely beat your hobo ass for even trying. But that’s how you roll.
I have a question. Do you have any teeth left in your head? Or are you wearing dentures due to decay form severe alcohol abuse and the multitude of beatings you have no doubt incurred running your mouth when you’re ina drunken rage ((which is lost days ending in ‘y’)?
I don't have the energy to defend myself from your lies. I'll just say that comments about violence against you were because you're great at goading people as you spread shit like a farmer in a field. That's why you post quotes, not links, so people don't see the nasty things you say about my family that I'm reacting to.
Those weren't towards me dumbfuck. Lol.
I started saving those after you were being a hypocrite.
But nice lie to justify being a hypocrite.
Youre doing well buddy.
Hypocrite or not, it doesn’t change the fact that you attack anyone who denounces calls to kill people over politics and immigration status. You want blood on the streets, contrary to what Roberta said.
If I was a loser like you I'd bookmark those posts. But I'm not. I'll let your hatred and lies speak for themselves.
Pour, pour, sarc. Such a victim. Especially when others force him to make threats of violence, but also when they force him to be a total hypocrite about it. So sad.
He has no self agency. Always someone else's fault. Always a victim.
Seems like one of those schmucks whose parents never said "no", and always, always, agreed that his failing grades were the fault of the teacher, not his lack of effort or ability.
Nah. Just the addicts excuse making for all the bad things that happen to them from their own actions.
It could easily be both.
^The best definition of a Democrat out there.
You left out "and therefore claiming the property and rights of others as his entitlements".
^Exactly... +1000000000
That’s why he’s a homeless drunk living in a piss soaked alley.
Just like Oscar the Grouch, but with a functional BAC of .15+.
sarc: No Roberta, people do want blood on the streets. I’ll soon be attacked by someone who does. Just watch.
Jesse: You’re a hypocrite because you said things about individuals you've interacted with, which is worse than me defending those calling for the death of millions of people over politics and immigration status! You’re the terrible person!
*facepalm*
When has Jesse defended the whole scale murder of anyone to the left of Bill Clinton? Or immigration status?
Sorry, calling bullshit on this one.
Awe. Pour sarc.
Erich Marie Remarque was eager to see Ministers, Generals Field Marshals, Popes, Parliamentarians, Lords, Jooks, Duces and Kaisers fight in arenas with soldiers paying to watch. Calico Cat Dems and Gingham Dog grabbers could provide real entertainment worth the price of admission. For fairness and objectivity, Chase Oliver could referee the gladiators.
My hovercraft is full of eels
Note to foreign readers: To armchair-violence televangelists untrained in combat, "would" is a magical talisman that--like Imprimatur or Nihil Obstat--turns the most mindless speculation into the Revealed Word Of God or Allah. In youth I was harangued by child-communist "come The Revolution" mutterings. Today toothless mystics drool "tha Peepul would revolt" at the mere suggestion that Klansmen aren't angels. Both altruists are wrong.
Like these guys?
Because nobody wants to see, nor the rest of the world to see, literal blood in the streets of the USA
Facts not in evidence. Quite the contrary. There are a couple of forces that would rather overtly like to see the US Gov't fall on its face. Especially if it made their candidate or preferred party (parties) seem favorable to the Russian meddling that caused the whole thing.
I see at least two other pretty clear options, especially since we’re already doing the imperial presidency/monarchy/banana republic thing:
8. (or 7. a.) In exile/absentia
9. (or 7. b.) Dual monarchy from Brazil or Poland or whatever other modestly right-leaning Eastern European
democracyDictatorship that Reason has declared a Trump-emulating threat-to-democracy in the last 8 yrs. (like up-front and frank discussions about duly-elected leaders-in-exile or prison are a sign of a healthy, functioning democracy).Or invade Greenland and rule from there. Trump had his eyes on that piece of real estate last time he was in office.
Oh, goody! KMW found one more TDS-addled slimy pile of shit with a degree!
"...To briefly review, Trump is charged with election interference in New York, with a conspiracy to steal the 2020 election in Georgia,..."
Which is falling apart as we speak, having been brought by a partisan, TDS-addled corrupt pile of shit.
"...with mishandling national security documents and obstruction of justice in Florida,..."
Which will be interesting, given that the sitting POTUS is guilty of far more egregious 'mishandling'.
"...and with defrauding the federal government and obstructing a government proceeding in Washington, D.C...."
So far, he's been shown to have watched a protest.
The man has been under constant investigation for going on eight years now with not even a late parking ticket to show for the effort, so now, the frightened scum bags have decided to manufacture 'crimes' around perfectly legal actions and search for prosecutors and/or juries equally corrupt in the hopes of getting something (ANYTHING!!!!) to stick. Very sad to have seen the powers that be in this country stooping to what was formerly satirized in Onion and National Lampoon.
Be careful folks. What these assholes can do to Trump, they can, and will, do to you if you in any way threaten that billion-dollar gravy train they've been riding
“Be careful folks. What these assholes can do to Trump, they can, and will, do to you if you in any way threaten that billion-dollar gravy train they’ve been riding”
Or worse. They put a journalist in leg irons for a nonviolent misdemeanor from four years ago:
https://twitter.com/BlazeTV/status/1763654674320691477
+10000000000000 Well Said!
It's still a long shot but I am holding out hope for a Nov vote between a convicted prisoner and a feeble old man hooked to intubation equipment.
Americans deserve it. Both parties are worthless.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
I'm eager to see Libertarian Candidate Oliver pick up 10¢ spoiler votes and parlay the total into a double-win in the House, with several times the difference between Trumpturd Sandwich and Douche Mummy. Chase Oliver is a way more articulate and competent candidate than vote-getter Gary, and is more important to the future of freedom than Turd and Douche together. The trick is to get him the campaign money without the Alabama Anschluss perpetrators siphoning it to girl-bullying Trumpanzees in LP drag. Oliver (http://bit.ly/3hFH6QJ)
"The events of January 6, 2021, demonstrated that at least some Trump supporters were willing to riot on his behalf."
Well the riot was instigated by Biden supporters. Some Trump supporters participated after police indiscriminately fired teargas cannisters and rubber bullets into the crowd of protestors.
Cool story, bro. Tell us another fable based on random sparks of electrical static in your fervid imagination.
At least as good as the pipe bomb, the (unarmed) threat to democracy who was murdered, the fire-extinguisher, the cops who were killed, the threat to keep Biden from taking office; did I leave out any more lies told by steaming piles of lefty shit, steaming pile of lefty shit?
The FBI admits that they had at least 200 provocateurs there. And the video of tear gas and rubber bullets is readily available online.
Ed will pretend you never said that and go in to repeat his discredited talking points until the end of time.
People like Ed need to go.
People like Ed need to go.
Through a wood chipper.
Feet first.
"The Donald Trump years have brought many strange constitutional hypotheticals to life, and Trump promises more to come if he has a second term, recently demanding, for example, the courts must recognize "COMPLETE & TOTAL PRESIDENTIAL IMMUNITY" from all criminal acts that he might commit during a term of office. The 2024 elections promise more possibilities even before we get to serious third party candidacies or faithless electors."
Yes the Trump era has brought strange constitutional hypotheticals to life entirely because of the unprecedented lawfare waged against him. And it matters not one whit what Trump posts on Truth Social. What matters is the actual legal pleadings that the Supreme court has been asked to rule on.
How can Trump have committed no crimes at all and simultaneously be immune for all crimes that he committed?
Orwell had a word for when someone holds two contradictory thoughts in their head at the same time and believes them both.
It’s funny when you’re retarded on purpose.
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-was-only-pretending-to-be-retarded
The official sarc meme.
What fictional character does Sarc most resemble?
Yosemite Sam with a Maine accent and a meth addiction.
Timmy from Southpark, only more retarded
Or slow Sam from tropic thunder, he went full retard
Not if you're a TDS-addled pile of shit like Sarc and company.
Disagree! Some of the convoluted hypotheticals are the direct result of the uncontrolled encroachment of the Federal power in violation of the Constitutional separation of powers, checks and balances, and the Tenth Amendment. The unbelievable proliferation of Federal regulatory power based on the thinnest of excuses over several decades leading to well over four thousand regulations with an uncountable number of inter-regulation references and the accompanying tangle of bureaucratic agencies and administrative law magistrates is at least partly responsible for the self-contradictory and uninterpretable legal mess we now face.
Nothing in the Constitution that specifically bans Trump, and permanently disenfranchises anyone who votes for him? What a useless white patriarchal slave-owner piece of trash. We demand a new foundational document written by a central committee (Warren, Sanders, AOC, Maddow, and others come to mind) that formalizes CRT, DEI, reparations, and social credit scores, and authorizes political police, wholesale censorship, and reeducation camps.
We're getting there.
>1. A Pre-Inauguration Pardon
Uhm, I'm pretty sure a President can't pardon state crimes - only federal. And the majority of things he's being charged for are in state courts.
So even if The Don were to buy the electoral college, he might free Pro-Life Hero of Colorado Springs Robert Dear from the added federal charges, but that Most Christian baby-saver would nonetheless be on the State hook for killing a Colorado cop and civilians while attacking a women's clinic, right? I am willing to license the above statement for publication on "Committee to Reelect President Trump" campaign posters. See my agent for details.
Have your nurse turn the morphine drip up to 11.
Trump has Secret Service protection for life; which will likely still be intact even with a prison sentence. So very likely any prison sentence will involved the “mob boss treatment” and/or house arrest no matter what.
Assuming its a federal charges, I would imagine Trump would just get house arrest and the White House would just be location of the house; until eventually Trump gets a pardon. The trickiest scenario would be if Trump is in prison on state charges and the governor of that state doesn’t want to do the pardon.
A Federal prison would put Trump in solitary confinement with continuous video monitoring by Secret Service agents in the administrative wing of the prison. An adjacent unlocked cell would house rotating agents to provide any hands-on action needed.
Your TDS-addled fantasy would be amusing if it weren't held by others who hold power, unlike losers like you.
Fuck off and die, steaming pile of lefty shit.
And then the cameras mysteriously fail and tragically Trump seizes on the opportunity to hang himself. I feel like we've been down this road before.
What a good little fascist.
Or….l we just get rid of you people and scrub any bullshit convictions from him and other people victimized by democrats in this manner.
Back when our second Quaker ex-prez Tricky Dick Nignew was no longer worth the brainwashing of a lone assassin, he magnanimously waived his armed SS minions. At that time this meant a savings of $3M a year to the taxpayers he'd duped, robbed and had shot. Does anyone know what the current yearly cost is for shielding G Waffen and Obama?
Right now the secret service guards Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton and Carter. And wives and children. So it’s a pretty big job. ExPresidents are a costly group. They get pensions, offices, healthcare, and protection. That said they also advise the current President and do the odd jobs, funerals most often come to mind.
It’s a shame he didn’t have YOU shot. Then we wouldn’t have to listen to you babble nonsensically here.
Just a gentle reminder folks, through out history the people who have prosecuted or otherwise attempted to lock up their political opponents have never been the good guys.
That’s not true, what about the dreamy hero Zelenskyy?
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/12/zelenskyy-ukraine-arrested-viktor-medvedchuk-pro-putin-politician.html
See: Aaron Burr, Jefferson Davis, Adam Gadahn, Tokyo Rose, Omar Abdel-Rahman, Oscar Rivera.
Gee, what a list of those who either actually did deserve it, or didn't really suffer!
How many other lies do we get today, steaming pile of lefty shit?
So Martha's Vineyard should've pinned a medal on Teddy Kennedy instead of slapping his wrists for heroically leaving the scene, with the drowned girl trapped in his car? Tricky pardoned My Lai Hero Calley because dominoes, then got Warren Commission Gerald Ford to pardon him, because dominoes.
The former president is now defending himself against four separate criminal indictments.
The problem is that only the people who truly hate him recognize these as legitimate. To date, he's never given me a single reason to support him or vote for him - but even I can admit enough to know that these are less about crime and more about politics.
The NY Fraud case is laughable. There isn't even a crime in play. If I value a used car at $10,000 but ultimately sold it for $8500. OMG FRAUD? lol, not even slightly.
The Florida docs case is also laughable, given that every President in recent memory seems to be doing this without anyone raising a fuss. Though Donald did himself no favors by pretending that it was about his lost golf shoes or whatever, the whole thing still smacks of spaghetti on the wall.
The GA election interference is so brazenly corrupted that I can't believe it's still actually in play.
The Federal election interference case has weak charges and, despite the fact that Donald seemed to delight in the J6 chaos sown by MAGA fanatics, there seems no clear evidence that he did anything specifically objectionable. It's frankly the Joe Biden and Commander relationship. Commander is a bad dog, and Joe Biden should really have done something about him before he started biting people. But Joe's indifference to Commander's behavior does not equate into a conspiracy to get Commander to bite people. Same goes for Donald and his MAGA dogs.
So, here's the reality - much as we may not all love it. Donald Trump is almost certainly going to win the 2024 election, especially if his opponent is Joe Biden. And if he is not seated as the President if/when he wins, this country is not going to accept any BS excuse that hinges on any of these BS cases. And things will probably get really, really bad as a result.
The Left needs to ask themselves: is it worth it? Or should they just suck it up for four years, and make plans for 2028.
I hate Trump. As it stands now, my 2024 vote is None Of These Candidates. But I'm realistic enough - and, more importantly, mature enough - to accept that we're likely going to get him for another four years. And that it is Democracy in action. Democracy means I don't always get to like the results. I hated Obama just as much (for all the exact same reasons), but I got through that too. What I can't understand is what the hell is so wrong with the American Left, that they seem incapable of doing the same.
You little "conservative" Trumplicans always roll out the car example. That's a straw man. The appropriate analogy would be filling out a state vehicle registration for a $10,000 car and declaring its value as $8,500. This is fraud, as is what Trump did.
*eyeroll*
Good job not reading.
This is why it doesn’t matter how many “I hate Trump” caveats you put in your posts. Leftist like Ed see that you’re not going in ideological lock step with them and immediately accuse you of being a conservative Trump fanatic.
You TDS-addled lefty shits always lie; it's what you do. Hint: value is subjective, but you are entirely too stupid to understand that fact.
Lol. You’re an idiot, Ed. He’s accused of overvaluing his property to a bank, not undervaluing it to the IRS.
"The appropriate analogy would be filling out a state vehicle registration for a $10,000 car and declaring its value as $8,500."
Hahahahahaha... Do you even know what he was accused of?
Yes.
Thread fail or caught socking?
Stupidity; nothing more required. Well maybe a dose of TDS.
You know what makes me laugh harder than anything else?
I'm over here defending this fat orange scumbag, but that's not good enough for you. Because I'm not showing kool-aid levels of devotion and loyalty, you're still pissed.
I think all four cases against Trump are totally bogus. And I explained why. But that's not good enough for you. I'm "TDS" (which is projection, btw - because your TDS is glaring like a white hot sun) because I'm even slightly critical of him even as I defend him.
I get it. You're an unthinking zealot in blind worship of a godking. But... y'know, can you maybe be a slightly better human? Please?
I get it. You're a TDS-addled statist shit, but the other statists went just a bit too far as regards Trump.
Not even close. Goddamn son.
Except, in your example there are actual damages as the car value often drives the price.
Actually, I take that back, your example is perfect. Because the state doesn't rely on your BS valuation. They use their own tables, generated by a third party. So, again - no crime.
So the whole lack of war, especially seeing the alternative when the MIC gets a puppet in office, isn’t important to you?
No. His/JB's Afghanistan withdrawal was a complete and unmitigated disaster. They literally created a terrorist state, knowing full well that's what they were doing and intentionally committed to doing so.
The truth is, we're always at war. Because evil exists. Pretending otherwise is to ignore reality; to choose to be a sheep with the misplaced confidence that the wolves aren't interested in you. Whether it's fascism, communism, Islam, or even just basic despotic drug cartels - they're a threat to this nation, and all nations, and we should always be on the offensive against them.
Can we ever truly defeat them? No, probably not. But does that mean we should just abandon it all to evil and hope that its unchecked cancerous growth won't eventually be a problem for us? Hell no. That's foolishness.
20 minutes after Hamas/Palestine attacked Israel, we should have had CSG2 in action and sending jets to run supersonic over the rooftops of Gaza, while heating up missiles pointed directly at Iran. We should have sleepers in China and Russia ready to mobilize at a moment's notice to carry out everything from sabotage to assassination. We should be rolling tanks and APCs to the doorsteps of cartel bosses and saturating their fields with enough napalm to burn them a thousand times over.
Will it ever stop? No, probably not. But they need to know that we'll never stop either. And that we'll bring overwhelming force to their doorstep harder and faster every single time.
Which do you hate more, Eastasia or Eurasia?
Emmanuel Goldstein.
"...His/JB’s..."
You just proved yourself to be an ignoramus:
https://nypost.com/2021/08/19/i-ran-trumps-afghan-withdrawal-bidens-attempt-to-blame-us-is-sad/
Team Trump’s withdrawal plan was sound.
No, it wasn't. Because it was a withdrawal plan.
Go read Doha. Trump was literally creating a terrorist state. Team Biden was all too happy to get on board with that.
Gee, perhaps a TDS-addled pile of statist shit like you could offer a link?
Naah. Anything which reduces the power of the state is anathema to statist shits like you.
Fuck off and die, slaver.
I mean, you could just google "Doha accords" - but I guess that's too complicated. Anyway, here:
https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf
Terrorist State. Courtesy of Donald J. Trump. Executed by Joseph R. Biden.
Bullshit, courtesy of AT.
According to this TDS-addled pile of shit, a plan to leave Afghanistan is a plan to produce a terrorist state.
Seek help. Or, far better, fuck off and die.
Not "A plan to leave."
THIS plan to leave.
I mean, friggin' read the words. That was Donnie J. That wasn't Obama, that wasn't Biden, that was Donald J. Trump's insane idiotic plan. Which you support. Because you don't know any better. Because you're blindly following a demagogue.
"The truth is, we’re always at war. Because evil exists."
OH FUCKING WOW!
Just wow, dude.
This IS a statist, and should be exhibited as a cautionary example of such.
Oh, and AT? Fuck off and die, slaver.
Which part of that were you surprised to learn today?
Only that you are a statist shit, statist shit.
Fuck off and die, slaver.
Language.
My God man, think before you speak. You're running emotion hot. Never wise.
You can keep YOUR god, and it's a shame you're upset at being called on your bullshit.
Maybe one day, you'll grow up.
That 1984 wasn't a cautionary tale for you but a How-To manual.
"We have always been at war with Eastasia." - AT
Tell me, Mother - what is the upside to ignoring the proliferation of Nazism, communism, Islam, or even drug cartel expansion? I mean, that's your position - right? That we should ignore it completely?
Make the argument in favor of doing so. I'd like to hear it, if you're willing.
I can't answer for ML, but upside to ignoring it (militarily) is...well Ron Paul can say it better:
https://youtu.be/LDrgz0ssapI?si=6i9D8Rupsg51_MMf
If Britain didn't give Poland a total war promise, Germany would have taken danzig, dresden wouldn't be bombed, and ww2 wouldn't have happened.
*church hill, Hitler, and the unnecessary war by buchanan
“No. His/JB’s Afghanistan withdrawal was a complete and unmitigated disaster.”
Biden threw Trump’s withdrawal plan in the trash, which was to leave before fighting season, so he could have a parade on 911, then when it became clear everything would go to shit way before then after the Taliban got pissed he reneged on the deal we made they rushed the withdrawal and people died. That wasn’t Trump’s fault. Ignorant fail #1.
“They literally created a terrorist state”
It was already a “terrorist state” (terrorism is a tactic). Remember 911? Throughout history empires have failed to subdue Afghanistan. Ignorant fail #2.
“The truth is, we’re always at war. Because evil exists.”
We’re always at war because our country is controlled by the MIC. Ignorant fail #3.
“despotic drug cartels”
You don’t know what despotic means. Now you’re just shitting corporate media phrases out of your mouth without any understanding of what the words mean. Ignorant fail #4.
The rest of your post is a bunch of warmongering propaganda. What are YOU doing to fight all this evil? Not a goddamn thing, I suspect. You’re welcome to grab your guns (I wonder if you own any) and go fight them if you’re so convinced they’re a threat to you. But you won’t do that cuz you’re a bitch that wants other men to steal my money and use it to kill innocent people all over the world on your behalf while you shit your pants about boogeymen.
AT is a steaming pile of statist shit, ain't s/he?
Yep. Xer’s also EdG.
In all fairness, Afghanistan lost its appeal to all the major powers once the Chinese learned how to make synthetic opiates.
What's wrong with them is a couple of things. First, they were goaded by mean twits. Yes, they're really that shallow that they don't sense much how they're being shat on unless it's explicit. They have a thin skin under a thick coat of dumbth.
Second, they finally had the sense that they'd accumulated enough power that they could get away with it. So they're this way because they thought they could be.
Cool Argument from Intimidation, dude. "Only a godless atheist can fail to see that Trump is the Reincarnated Jesus being crucified by a misleft mob." Superstition really is the teratogen to beat all teratogens. Observe that the SockMAGAt completely elides the existence of the Libertarian Party that wrote Roe, ended queer-baiting laws, stopped conscription and is repealing moronic prohibition laws state-by-state.
You don't know what 'teratogen' means.
Wanna bet, Incubus-bum? I even know the word for Dark Ages Inquisition Christianofascist mystical brainwashing pamphlets.
Yeah Hank, we know what an anti christ bigot you are. Maybe you should head over rot the the Muslim community and proselytize your bitter atheism to them.
The decline of literacy in this nation is a tragedy, as you've clearly just illustrated.
Next time read to the end before you post. That way you won't reveal yourself an ignorant imbecile.
How did he reveal himself to be an "ignorant imbecile"? Hank never knows what the fuck he's talking about.
He attempted to invoke a fallacy he doesn't understand.
As do you, slaver. Fuck off and die.
What fallacy would that be, Jeffy?
Argument from Intimidation.
Stupid.
“The decline of literacy in this nation is a tragedy”
You don’t know what despot means. Glass houses and all.
Of course I do. It's why I used it.
But your claim to the contrary isn't even a reply to anything. It's just a sneer. You'll have to do better than that. But I think we both know you're not up to the job, hence why you went this direction instead. Lame.
A sneer is a bit more than TDS-addled assholes like you deserve.
You used quotation marks. Can you tell me a single person that ever said that?
>It’s frankly the Joe Biden and Commander relationship. Commander is a bad dog, and Joe Biden should really have done something about him before he started biting people.
Commander is not a bad dog. These idiots got a GSD *puppy*! One of the most high energy, high maintenance, dogs there are. You need to run that dog into the ground every day or its going to go looking for trouble. And they're extremely intelligent - they'll find it.
I had one, I couldn't play with her as often as she needed. So she literally started climbing the chain link fence to get out. Put up barbed wire - she climbed to the top of the fence and then squeezed through the wire. Put up electric wire - so she found soft spots and dug out.
Every morning my neighbor comes by pissed because the dog was chasing her horses around.
A geriatric old man got a dog he never wanted for the optics. Then it likely sat in a kennel in the White House, ignored. Of course its going to have behavior problems.
You realize it was a metaphor for MAGA, right? And that, frankly, you could apply everything you said to them, and Trump's role in keeping them in line.
"Trump’s role in keeping them in line."
So the Democrats attacking Jews and Jewish businesses in NYC are Biden's fault, right?
He does seem to be tacitly encouraging them the same way Donald did on J6.
Trump literally said to be peaceful and respect law enforcement. You one of those things that hear dog whistles?
Deadly incitement:
“Go home with love and peace, remember this day forever“ - Donald Trump's last words at the J6 rally
Hours later.
After having spent those hours doing a spot on Willy Wonka impression of "stop don't come back."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_vvex_mfik
TDS-addled piles of shit always make vague claims regarding Trump; it's part of the DSM diagnostics for TDS-addled shit-piles like AT.
You realize that TDS is a pro-Trump mindvirus, right? And that you're illustrating it?
You realize that 'clever' claims do nothing as regards your raging case of TDS, right?
Fuck off and die.
Language.
Seriously though, it's a pro-Trump mindvirus. It's clearly turned you from a rational person to a nonsense-spewing crazy person.
Stupid.
"...I hated Obama just as much (for all the exact same reasons), but I got through that too..."
Yeah, it was terrible how Trump strong-armed that socialized medical care on us with a bunch of lies about keeping your doctor, right?
Fucking ignoramus...
Language.
Also, you (like most Americans) are failing to understand the difference between policy and governance, focusing exclusively on the former - because that's all you care about. Results. Winning.
Yes, Trumpwas wildly different in terms of policy. But he was near identical in terms of governance. This is something MAGA absolutely refuses to acknowledge or admit - probably because they can't deny the fact that their orange boy was a lifelong leftist liberal Democrat all the way up until he decided he wanted to be President. Deep down MAGA knows - they just like Leftists. They don't actually want a President.
They want a benevolent dictatorship.
The only difference between the MAGA Right and the Marxist Left is their definition of "benevolent."
"Yes, Trump was wildly different in terms of policy. But he was near identical in terms of governance..."
You, as a TDS addled pile of shit, are willing to provide worthless word salads to justify your ignorance, stupidity and attempts to justify your pathetic, adolescent focus on personality.
If you wish to be taken seriously rather than one more TDS addled pile of shit, you might offer at least one actual cite.
You can't. There are none. You are nothing other than one more arm-waving slimy TDS-addled scumbag.
Make the world a better place: Fuck off and die, asshole.
Language.
And the "actual cite" is his own record. He couldn't work with the Legislature (even in a Republican majority). He immediately bounced anyone who challenged him in any way. He was pen and phone and agency action.
Are you so blind in your fawning devotion that you failed to see who and what he actually was?
So no cite? Not at all surprising.
BTW, asshole, I really don't think I'd like the man, but TDS-addled shit-piles like you are blind to what he did as POTUS, so your opinions can be properly ignored.
Fuck off and die. Please.
Language.
And lol, for the whiny little girl complaining about lack of citation, you just blindly point to "what he did as POTUS" (which is nothing as evidenced by the fact that ALL of it was gone within 90 day of Sleepy Joe taking over) as if it's self-proving.
I think you're done now Clown World. Off to bed.
Stupid.
The important thing is that you can admit it about yourself. That's the first step to recovery.
What-if the witch-hunt succeeds???
It’ll be a massive precedence used to complete a [Na]tional So[zi]alist Empire take-over/conquering of the USA and eventually lead to the new-age Hitler claiming complete power to ‘cleanse’ the nation of Trump or any De-Regulating official.
Seriously. Where else would one wrap up the case for the massive 'hate' towards Trump? He threatened to De-Regulate the power of DC swamp ([Na]tional So[zi]alist-Camp). That is the only notable difference between Trump and anyone else in the last century.
The left political mentality really isn’t historically unpredictable. It just needs to be correctly defined for exactly what it is.
You're mentally ill. Please seek help immediately.
When you can't argue the concept then there's always the 'witch' prosecution of the messenger.
Leftard mentality 101.
Yer diagnosis is prolly right. But there's a reason the boys in white carry butterfly nets, straitjackets, cuffs and leg-irons. It's so their "help" can seek and deal with whack jobs who listen to the voices of invisible friends invented in the stone age and "translated" in the Dark Ages. My offer is to refund the cost of gasoline and matches if they'll make the sacrifice to deliver their "message."
Hank calling out someone for mental illness is peak projection.
Hank's more senile than insane.
He’s also an ignoramus who constantly uses references he doesn’t understand, like “Stone Age”.
The Old Testament first begun in the Bronze Age, and mostly takes place in the Iron Age. The New Testament was firmly in the Iron Age – Roman Empire and whatnot.
^+1
Option No. 6 (Prison Presidency) would be glorious, with the Dems losing so many seats in Congress that they can't impeach him. Maybe they would finally start moving to Canada as long promised.
Run that American Empire like El Chapo ran his criminal empire from behind bars.
If Trump is imprisoned, there will be a civil war. After that, all the legal, constitutional, and political niceties and complications will be irrelevant.
You got that right. After we stomped the crap out of you little johnny rebs, we wouldn't be as nice to you as the North was to your Southern traitor ancestors in the 1860s.
With what? Your pronouns?
There's nothing funnier than a Democrat pretending to be on the right side of the Civil War. "Abe Lincoln[R] was our hero!"
Sorry snowflake. Andrew Jackson[D] is your leader.
Brother, *your side* lost in the Civil War.
My ancestors were in Pennsylvania in the 1860s.
How are you going to do that, bitch? You Marxist punks will all get Rittenhoused at a record pace.
The 8th and most likely outcome would be Democrats winning the House majority in the election and disqualifying Trump under the 14th Amendment with a simple majority vote because that's all it takes.
The 9th, and most likely, has Trump, AGAIN, found to be not guilty, as he has been for the last 8 years. But TDS-addled steaming piles of lefty shit never allow facts to get in the way of their fantasies.
…because of course that’s the leftard mentality.
Hang the witches!
Principles? [WE] identity-affiliated gangs have no principles….
[Our] Gov-Guns RULE!
Yes. The lack of shame for their tyranny isn’t in short supply either.
Excellent outcome! With both looter Kleptocracy factions reduced to Fort Pillow Black Flag fighting to-the-knife, the way could be cleared for impeaching the Mises Anschluss nazis for a genuine 2-party system of Libertarians versus Democratic-Republicans. Suddenly there'd be way more than a dime's worth of difference between the two.
There's actually no mechanism in the 14th amendment for doing that.
That's the whole issue *right now*.
Wrong. That's how Congress has disqualified other insurrectionists. Simple majority.
Um... wasn't "COMPLETE & TOTAL PRESIDENTIAL IMMUNITY" from all criminal acts precisely the treatment Germany's Chancellor got from Reich courts until the first week of May 1945? The U.S. had to try nazi judges and perps of genocide outside the Nuremberg show trials in "Subsequent Proceedings" run by Gen'l Taylor. Even so, most Christian National Socialist corporations profiting from slave labor--despite Adam Smith's tut-tutting--made out like royalty as a buffer against unchristian International Socialists. Heirs of their tooth-chiseled gold now fund Germany's AfD.
In my lifetime two Vice Presidents have stepped into the Presidency. Johnson and Ford. But you have to go back to Truman to have a Vice President step up when the President dies of natural causes. Presidents are well cared for today and live long lives. I suspect that the winner of 2024, most likely Joe Biden, will serve out his term.
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This seems more like an exercise in political porn for people with fantasies of putting Trump in prison.
Even if Trump is convicted of anything, let’s be realistic. He would be sentenced to house arrest at most. They aren’t putting him in the big house, and nowhere does this article even address the complications of Secret Service protection behind bars.
Regarding scenario #4, a self pardon, of course his opponents would howl in rage, and ask the courts to intervene, but there really is nothing in the Constitution stopping him from doing that.
Regarding scenario #6, he wouldn’t have to find pliant officers to let him out. He would be the chief executive and in control of the Bureau of Prisons. They would have to let him out. No discussion.
Regarding scenario #7, if he were housed in a state prison, wouldn’t the supremacy clause apply? The President has official duties that are more important than keeping one guy in prison under state charges.
"This seems more like an exercise in political porn for people with fantasies of putting Trump in prison."
That's what rich Uncle Charles is paying them for.
There is always the possibility that an incarcerated Trump could recognize that he should decline to serve as president for the good of the country.
why would that be the case?
Especially in that he's been found not guilty of all the charges brought over the last eight years and looks to be beating the ones of which he's currently charged.
But yeah, to TDS-addled shits, the man found not guilty of any charges ought to decline to serve and hand the office over to droolin' Joe, right?
Can I just subscribe to the comments and skip the magazine?
I'd pay to read Ken, Overt and Paul.
Absolutely
I’d pay to read comments STRAIGHT from the Sacred Fartilized Egg Smells!!! Y'all sore-in-the-cunt cuntsorevaturds are ALWAYS going ON and on and on, all damned day, every day, about the Sacred Fartilized Egg Smells!! In these comments, I've heard from gays and NAZIs, queers and smears, socialists, and ALL sorts of people... Butt NEVER from a Sacred Fartilized Egg Smell!!! Shit, sometimes I even start to wonder if they CAN even write a post, or even if they are sentient at ALL!!!!
Can one of you fucking authoritarians at least put on your tinfoil hate-hat, and interview a Sacred Fartilized Egg Smell for us? Let us know twat THEY stink? How do they FEEL about being frozen in a test tube, for example?
Reason is going to be surprised that 90% of their reporters AR not worth reading on their own.
John Adams: 'Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.' Debs was, at least, a moral man. The descent into immoral governance was complete when the NSAct of 1947 made the President over into a "Nuclear Dictator." Slowly the pretense of moral leadership has eroded. Only the moral judgment of the people, if it remains, can avoid completion of the devolution. Only a moral people can resurrect "our Constitution."
THIS is why we need to re-erect The Donald, along with His soon-to-be-announced VEEP, Spermy Daniels, Who Shall Be Our Queen, Who Art Drenched in Vaseline!!! Between the two of them, They Shall Show Us, the common people, to The Truly-Trumpian Moral Way!
I just want to know if there's any chance of a Constitutional Amendment or two getting passed, or at least considered, in the wake of this giant fiasco. It must be glaringly obvious that there's some bugs in the system that need eradication.
It should be spelled out that the President is NOT immune from prosecution of any crimes committed while in office, and that the President shall not issue pardons to himself for any crimes he has been convicted of.
There should also be an amendment that disqualifies anyone from federal office if they are serving a prison sentence at the time of election, and if they are under trial at the time of election and convicted while in office, they shall automatically be removed from office without impeachment proceedings. (Yes, I'm trying to word this as carefully as possible to minimize exploitation of this law by people in power who would use it to suppress their political opponents.)
Well, that would permanently do away with what is left of democracy at the national level. Might as well kill it off in one stomp, rather than leaving it writhing in agony.
I suspect that the House of Representatives will elect the next president.
The two majority party candidates are both revolting.
If your beloved congressman is too wedded to the Duopoly, you might want to re-think your vote.
Not nearly as revolting as TDS-addled piles of shit.
This was three times as long as it should be. After all, there are only three options if Trump is imprisoned and then elected.
1: Pre-inauguration pardon. Either from Biden or one of the governors. This could be a self-serving act to prevent reprisal.
2: Post-inauguration self-pardon. Trump can pardon himself and everyone prosecuted around him. Hopefully, also pardoning the Democratic side to prevent a cycle of revenge.
And then all of the other items are actually the same.
3: Insurrection: where one of many parties refuses to allow Trump to take office. This could be the electoral college or house overturning the vote, Biden refusing to relinquish the presidency, the state trying to keep him imprisoned after a pardon, or several other variations. This will unquestionably cause a civil war.
There are no two ways about it. If Trump is elected and prevented from taking office, that is an EVEN MORE EXTREME version of what they claim was Trump's crime 4 years ago. The fact that you are even considering these options shows extreme hypocrisy.
All Empires usually die by dissolving due to debasing the currency, wars, and extreme corruption/cronyism endemic in society. Sounds like we are getting close to that point. The question would be how would the dissolved Union be reorganized?
I want all of these to happen.
History will show that it was only the stupid and lazy Biden and his supporters who pushed things to the point where Trump could be "jailable" Now with the 9-0 Scotus ruling he might be elected. I am not a Trumpie but history will also show what a fool Biden was to base his whole wonderfulness on not being Trump.
Can't we just admit Biden is awful and not get Trump in the bargain.
It started with Hlllary. Let's end it.
Neither should TDS-addled lying piles of lefty shit like you.
Fuck off and die.
The Constitution that says that we will not ‘Abridge the Freedom of the Press’ and I’m sure the founders of the Constitution are wiser than you are.
Did the B/M make you a TDS-addled steaming pile of lefty shit, or were you one before drinking?
We should meet up sometime and have a contest to see who can hit the softest.