Berkeley Students Violently Shut Down Event Featuring Israeli Attorney
Students should be able to peacefully protest events, but they shouldn't disrupt a speaker or assault attendees.

Earlier this week, protestors at the University of California, Berkeley, violently shut down an event organized by a Jewish student group, which featured Israeli attorney Ran Bar-Yoshafat. Protestors organized by the student group Bears for Palestine prevented students from entering the building where the talk was supposed to take place, chanted "Long live the intifada," and broke glass doors.
Several students who attempted to attend the event claim they were physically assaulted by the protestors. One attendee claims she was grabbed by the neck and another says he was spit on.
"It was an extremely frightening experience," Berkeley student Veda Keyvanfar told Fox News on Wednesday. "The door to the venue was ripped out of my hand by a mob of protesters and my hand was injured in the process…we are allowed as students to host any type of speaker, and to attend any event we want to, we are not in the wrong at all."
The disruption wasn't simply a protest that got out of hand—it was a pre-planned attempt to prevent the event from going forward. An Instagram post from Bears for Palestine about the event said "We are 'combatting the lies' by SHUTTING IT DOWN," adding that Bar-Yoshafat "is a genocide denier, and we will not allow for this event to go on."
The event was canceled after university officials determined that they couldn't guarantee student safety "given the size of the crowd and the threat of violence," according to a university statement. Students attending the event had to be escorted out the back of the building. According to the Associated Press, the local police department received multiple calls over the event, and a university spokesperson confirmed that the school was opening a criminal investigation into students' behavior.
So far, the Berkeley administration has taken a strong stance against the students who disrupted Monday's event.
"We deeply respect the right to protest as intrinsic to the values of a democracy and an institution of higher education," reads a Tuesday statement from Chancellor Carol Christ and Executive Vice Chancellor and Provost Benjamin Hermalin. "Yet, we cannot ignore protest activity that interferes with the rights of others to hear and/or express perspectives of their choosing. We cannot allow the use or threat of force to violate the First Amendment rights of a speaker, no matter how much we might disagree with their views."
Videos of the protestors have received significant social media attention, leading to calls to expel or discipline students who engaged in the disruption.
"Everyone has a right to due process. But violent rioters have no place at any institution devoted to the fearless pursuit of truth. Certainly not at Berkeley, home of the Free Speech Movement," Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE) President Greg Lukianoff and FIRE senior writer Angel Eduardo wrote in a recent column in The Free Press."Violence is not extreme speech, but the antithesis of speech—and the antithesis of what higher education is supposed to be all about."
Lukianoff and Eduardo are right—if you care about securing university students' free speech rights, punishing disruptive and violent protestors is absolutely necessary. While students have the right to peacefully protest an event, preventing individuals from hearing a speaker, damaging a building, and physically assaulting attendees obviously crosses a line into unprotected conduct.
The only way to prevent speaker disruptions is for administrators to take a clear stand against them, and punish those responsible. When universities crack down on disruptive or violent protest tactics, they set a precedent, and send a clear message to student activists who are planning on protesting an event: that disruptive, speech-quashing conduct won't be tolerated.
Editor's Note: As of February 29, 2024, commenting privileges on reason.com posts are limited to Reason Plus subscribers. Past commenters are grandfathered in for a temporary period. Subscribe here to preserve your ability to comment. Your Reason Plus subscription also gives you an ad-free version of reason.com, along with full access to the digital edition and archives of Reason magazine. We request that comments be civil and on-topic. We do not moderate or assume any responsibility for comments, which are owned by the readers who post them. Comments do not represent the views of reason.com or Reason Foundation. We reserve the right to delete any comment and ban commenters for any reason at any time. Comments may only be edited within 5 minutes of posting. Report abuses.
Please
to post comments
"Bears for Palestine"
I know that the bear is their mascot and the state animal and everything, but given the ironic naming of other adjacent advocacy groups, and the location, I had to do a double-take.
Same! Came to the comments to see if I was the only one.
You're not the only two!
Like “Jews for Genocide”
Jews are on trial in the international court of justice ICJ for committing a holocaust in Gaza. For real, happening today. They have intentionally slaughtered over 20,000 non combatant women and children to forcibly displace the Palestinian people from Gaza.
How would student protesters be entitled to react if schools brought in “Nazis for holocausts” speakers?
Rob, a hint from the rhetoric/logic/debate side.
Never argue the obviousness of your point by showing you have to INVENT a non-existent 'example'
Even at my local bar , you would not be considered clever, serious, or even 'human' to argue about "jews of genocide"
You can do better.
“Jews for genocide” is ENTIRELY appropriate.
And I don’t go to gay bars.
He really can’t. Rob Ned’s to be scraped off and flushed down the toilet.
No.
Or three
Apparently huge numbers came out of trunks.
With where this is pointing, I need brain bleach and a cloth to get this stain out.
I thought that read "Beers for Palestine" I figured a leftist microbrewery was giving free beer if you signed a petition.
That didn't clarify anything. Monkeypox or Hibernate?
All they had to do was have a picture of that DC hearing room that sicko kid was posing in as a superimposed image on their 'Bears for Palestine' flyer.....priceless.
Still waiting for the splinter group, Trunk Bears for Palestine.
Splitters!
That kind of bear probably isn't very welcome in Palestine.
'....The right, center right event was canceled after university officials PRE-determined that they couldn't guarantee student safety....
. . . and they then resigned in utter failure . . . .
(didn't think so)
I wonder what the Jewish donors to Berkley will do after reading about this. Hopefully withold their money from the school. That always stirs up the administration pot.
Except at Harvard. There they pretend that raising money isn't the university president's main job, and that demanding academic integrity is racist.
Well, that's Harvard.
The leftist radicals that run Harvard favor reparations. So I advocate confiscating Harvard’s $51 billion endowment. Then distributing amongst all the conservative and libertarian Americans this institution and its disciples have damaged.
They should support such an action. As it works within the oppressor/victim dynamic that left obsesses over.
When your entire campus police force is only 66 officers you can't guarantee anything.
When it comes to violent leftist rioters, just shoot into the crowd until they stop.
Free speech for me, not for thee.
Oh they believe in free speech and ideas for everyone. Freedom of their speech and their ideas.
“broke glass doors”
Seriously?
Chancellor Carol Christ shouldn’t be turning the other cheek, she should be taking her whip and driving the violent, disruptive students out of the temple of learning.
Breaking glass is obviously insurrection.
Good point. Insurectiin against the college administration. Lifetime in prison for those dangerous insurectionists.
YES, get the stupid bastards out. You are the only positive response I"ve given in months. Yes, that should be done.
No arrests were make but administrators are seriously considering sternly worded letters to the perpetrators. And nothing else happened.
I bet things would calm down a good bit if laws against assault and battery were vigorously enforced against the protestors.
Things would calm down for about 1,000 years if a tactical nuke was dropped on the campus.
This is when counter violence is REQUIRED. As soon as the assaults begin, break some fucking heads. And then GTFO, it's Berkely. Do not make the mistake of turning yourself in. If they want you, let them ID and find you.
Yup. As my old man used to say:
If an asshole can't keep his hands to himself, break his fucking fingers.
only way to be sure.
Biden is out there right now bragging that crime statistics are way down. If laws are enforced he would look bad. I think we learned all of this from The Wire.
Yep, it's easy for crime statistics to go down if you stop arresting and prosecuting anyone.
Shoplifting is down 90% in San Francisco. No more stores, no more arrests.
Biden is in Texas right now, asking Abbot how the fishing is in that pretty river, and regaling him with stories of his youth whaling off Nantucket.
It’s far worse. Only 71% of cities are disclosing their crime stats to the FBI. So places like NYC, Chicago, etc. are left out.
Biden is utterly full of shot, as usual.
See my comment about the size of the campus police force. It was just like 1/6. Overwhelmed. You can't blame the university administration for this one.
Sire we can. Their security needs to crack some commie skulls.
Only if by perpetrators you mean the people that invited such a dangerous wrongthinker onto campus.
Exactly, why invite someone so divisive onto our peaceful campus?
"Earlier this week, protestors at the University of California, Berkeley, violently shut down an event organized by a Jewish student group, which featured Israeli attorney Ran Bar-Yoshafat. Protestors organized by the student group Bears for Palestine prevented students from entering the building where the talk was supposed to take place, chanted "Long live the intifada," and broke glass doors.
Several students who attempted to attend the event claim they were physically assaulted by the protestors. One attendee claims she was grabbed by the neck and another says he was spit on."
Thank god they weren't parading or they'd be sitting in a DC jail.
Violent, anti-semitic terrorists . . .
Was Misek there? That sounds like a dream event for him.
Why is this still in the hands of administrators at all? Based on the allegations above, criminal assaults were committed. This is a matter for the police.
I have little faith in the Berkeley PD being any better.
Conservatives just need to realize that they have no civil rights in large swaths of CA.
...also might need an AG to deal with that issue.
Berkeley PD only has 176 officers. Campus police another 66.
It is a very non libertarian thing to say we are under policed but it is true. It allows mobs to take over. Both on the Left and the Right a lot of folks want mob rule.
Then bring in the National Guard, and the state police.
The only way to prevent speaker disruptions is for administrators to take a clear stand against them, and punish those responsible.
And lose all that tuition money? Not a chance.
If think if there's some newly-opened-up vacancies in the Berkeley student body, there may well be some applicants for the vacancies.
Well , there is the demographic cliff.
"By now we all know about the demographic cliff: the number of traditional college-aged students will peak in 2025 and then decline dramatically for several years. What is less well-known is that the percentage of 18- to 24-year-olds choosing to attend college reached its peak years ago and continues to decline."
And teaching perverted sex gets its reward right there. Teachers will be laid off in amazing numbers.
Our hurried progress toward replicating the late Weimer republic continues apace, aided and abetted by those in authority at universities, companies, Congress, and elsewhere. We Jews are the canaries in the coal mine of freedom; it will not stop with us.
"Never again"
Remember that?
Carry weapons and defend yourselves; take the arrests for self defense and fight it in court. Contribute to each other's legal fees, care for families of the detained.
Oh, yeah. And stop voting for democrats.
It was Republicans who banned open carry in California in the 1960s. The Black Panthers had taken rifles to the state capitol. Ronald Reagan signed the ban into law.
Rights are for White folks. Not minorities. They are supposed to know their place. At least in Republican land.
Yes but Reagan did not outlaw conceal carry or carrying on campus the Democrats did that 100%
Nor have republicans criminalized self defense. Also 100% democrat.
People have a right to protest whatever they want. It's still a dick move to protest someone simply being allowed to speak.
What's the line between protest and heckler's veto?
If you are across the street, outside the event, making your presence and your message known, but not interfering, that's legit protest.
If you are inside the event, disrupting, interrupting, shouting down, and preventing people from speaking or hearing, that's a heckler's veto, and is illegitimate.
If you want to attend, non-disruptively, and then ask pointed and critical questions or comments during the Q&A session, that's also legitimate. So long as the questions and comments are meant to illustrate your perspective and provoke thought rather than fisticuffs.
That's the steaming pile of lying lefty shit sarc; do not waste time with facts or logic. As a psychopath, he is incapable of dealing with either.
disruption.
If you are interfering with others' ability to hear the speaker's message, you have gone beyond protest to heckler's veto.
Well , there is the demographic cliff.
"By now we all know about the demographic cliff: the number of traditional college-aged students will peak in 2025 and then decline dramatically for several years. What is less well-known is that the percentage of 18- to 24-year-olds choosing to attend college reached its peak years ago and continues to decline."
And teaching perverted sex gets its reward right there. Teachers will be laid off in amazing numbers.
Learn 2 Code . . .
Least rigorous university academic fields:
1. Journalism
2. Education majors
3. Grievance Studies
Thank you for making Facebook and Gemini possible
Do you mean peacefully protest or 2020 Leftist peaceful protest? There is a world of difference between the two and quite a few smashed cars, burned out buildings and bloody or dead bystanders.
Seems from the assaults described this was a peaceful protest as you all declared BLM and antifa to be.
Well, windows were broken, but needs a few more buildings firebombed to match the 2020 mostly peaceful protests.
>>"Long live the intifada," and broke glass doors.
how krisallnachtian of the little darlings.
>>Bears for Palestine
ironing ... not just for Berzerklyans
So far, the Berkeley administration has taken a strong stance against the students who disrupted Monday's event.
.
"We deeply respect the right to protest as intrinsic to the values of a democracy and an institution of higher education," reads a Tuesday statement from Chancellor Carol Christ and Executive Vice Chancellor and Provost Benjamin Hermalin. "Yet, we cannot ignore protest activity that interferes with the rights of others to hear and/or express perspectives of their choosing. We cannot allow the use or threat of force to violate the First Amendment rights of a speaker, no matter how much we might disagree with their views."
Is this the UN definition of strong stance?
Maybe tough love?
As written it's not too bad. But obviously they don't really mean it as they are pretty much tolerating it by not expelling them or calling on the police to arrest those who committed assaults.
Disagree. Fail.
Protest is not intrinsic to the values of democracy. Free Speech and peaceable assembly is intrinsic to our democracy and arguably all democracies or all legitimate ones. But people gluing themselves to public spaces and putting themselves in the middle of public roadways is not intrinsic to the values of any democracy.
Of course, then you would get into a discussion about minimal requirements for a democracy, orthogonality, and ideas like “just because something’s not intrinsic doesn’t mean it’s banned” but Berkeley’s not an educational institution so they wouldn’t get into that academic nonsense.
Even relatively “uneducated” “morons” of Christian Schools would freely admit that J6 protestors damaging property and forcing their way into restricted areas should be charged with vandalism and trespass even if they were “just protesting”.
But, again, those students would’ve been educated in ideas about equality before the law and impartiality and ad hominem fallacies and Berkeley doesn’t do that.
Was a dig at then writing a letter and then doing nothing.
For the Gaines protest violence cops dropped all charges claiming no evidence despite video.
Expel every student who attended the protest.
C'mon.
It's Bezerkley.
Free speech is only tolerated if you agree with the leftist fascist pigs there.
"Earlier this week, protestors at the University of California"
They weren't protesting. Their aim was to prevent the spread of Nazi propaganda, not signal their disapproval of it. 'Not on my watch' might be their motivation.
That is right.
They want to prevent third parties from hearing views that they disagree with.
"They want to prevent third parties from hearing views"
These third parties only have to turn on their TVs to get an earful Israeli propaganda. There's nothing Bears of Palestine can do about that. They can, however, prevent propaganda in their own backyard. It's not really an issue of free speech, as Reason would have it. As Leon Trotsky said, if you cannot convince a fascist, acquaint his head with the pavement. It's about confronting your enemies, confounding their politics and frustrating their knavish tricks.
The third parties also don't play a part in the blockading of airports and roadways, either. Again it's not meant to be a demonstration, but a direct action to put a monkey wrench into the works of a genocidal machine. Freedom of speech doesn't enter into the calculations.
While fully acknowledging that I'm replying to the resident nonsense expert, I still ask myself whether these comments are Poe's Law in action.
"I still ask myself whether these comments are Poe’s Law in action."
You should try to widen your sources of opinion. I'm serious and sincere, though I do try to leaven my comments with a light touch you might find offensive. Here, for example, I quote lines from a Bolshevik and a song, God Save the Queen (King, too). The point is that there is a difference between protests and direct action. I suspect the reason why you have trouble with the distinction is that you don't know what their motivations and intentions are. I doubt you care, to be honest. But if you do care, widen your sources. Go beyond what Biden and the talking heads on TV are telling you.
Where "direct action" = "crime."
It's attempting to thwart the will of the state. Of course it's a crime. Even when it's not a crime. Ask Julian Assange if you don't believe me. Not that Assange was engaging in direct action, but he was doing something the state didn't want done. Crime enough.
mtrueman|8.30.17 @ 1:42PM|#
"Spouting nonsense is an end in itself."
Stuff your antisemitism up your ass; your head is begging for company.
""It’s attempting to thwart the will of the state. Of course it’s a crime.""
Now do people resisting arrests.
"Now do people resisting arrests."
You can do it yourself if it's important to you. I'm not sure what you're driving at.
Enforcing the will of the state and crimes that are not crimes, is pretty damn pro authoritarian.
So what happened to "I may completely disagree with what you are saying, but I will defend to the death your right to say it?"
That goes by the boards if you're playing for keeps. These Bears for Palestine are serious, as are most of their comrades. After a few more activist self immolations that might sink in.
And scum like you will continue to support antisemite assholes, right, Nazi shit?
re: "They can, however, prevent propaganda in their own backyard."
Legally, they cannot. Morally and ethically, they cannot either. The fact that you are defending violence against those who were merely speaking says that you have lost your moral compass and can no longer distinguish who the villains are.
I'm sure the Bears for Palestine would disagree that they were preventing someone from 'merely speaking.' My moral compass is fine. I'm the one who is condemning genocide. You are denying it, minimizing it, or justifying it. Just like the proposed speaker who was shut down.
Who cares what the Bears for Palestine think? The Nazis thought they were defending their motherland from evil Jews.
The point here is that a presentation (even a presentation defending genocide) does not merit violence. Your moral compass may simply be broken.
"The point here is that a presentation (even a presentation defending genocide) does not merit violence. "
That all depends on your attitude towards genocide. Some people are vehemently opposed to it. Their ideas on the need to confront it with violence will differ from a genocide supporter like yourself and rest of the commenters here.
“monkey wrench into the works of a genocidal machine.”
That would require action against the entity committing genocide, that ain’t us. And that machine most certainly isn’t on the Berkeley College Campus.
Complicity is the issue. America enables and makes the genocide possible. Genocide Joe is Biden's nickname. He comes by it honestly. I don't even think Biden has any particular animus against Palestinians. He's just been corrupted by the lavish donations that supporters of Israel have given him.
If Biden wanted to end the genocide, he could have the Israeli government dissolved and replaced by a more compliant regime. It was done recently in Pakistan, and Imran Khan, the former PM, and as decent a PM as Pakistan has had through her history, is now in jail thanks to the machinations of Biden.
"Complicity is the issue."
Nope, you are moving the goalposts, AND you are miscalculating and misapplying culpability - I suspect on purpose.
I'm not sure what goal posts I am moving. The weaponry used to perpetrate the genocide is supplied by the US. If you tell me you're going to murder someone and I give you the money to buy a murder weapon, I'll be on the hook as an accomplice.
" And that machine most certainly isn’t on the Berkeley College Campus."
It is once Israeli apologists for genocide are invited to spread their poisonous message.
"I’m not sure what goal posts I am moving"
That is apparent.
You're not making yourself any clearer. Perhaps you could show your efforts to a parent or guardian for checking before posting.
Hmm. Misconstrueman is now a rectangular gray box. It's a good look.
Grey boxes won't help you express yourself with style and clarity. A parent or guardian is what I recommend.
It’s not his fault you’re an inveterate liar.
It's his fault if he doesn't heed my sound advice. The fact that he refuses or is unable to express himself clearly is certainly not my fault. I'm not a member of the choir. His usual shtick is not fit for purpose.
by your comments then I take it you are for violence against anyone you disagree with since anyone you disagree with is always a NAZI even Jews who have been killed by NAZIs are NAZIs
Yes, I am in favor of using violence to thwart Nazis. No, I am not in favor or using violence against anyone I disagree with. No, not everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi. No, Jews who were killed by Nazis are not Nazis. One yes, three nos. Try harder.
So who qualifies as a ‘Nazi’ to you?
Those who act like Nazis. If the word bothers you, substitute wicked person, fascist, murderous right wing nationalist, or something of your own choosing. We shouldn't quibble over terms. If you are curious about how Nazis acted, there are books on the subject. They murdered massive numbers of innocent people on the basis of nothing more than ethnicity, or religion. That's the connection with modern day Israelis.
‘Israeli propaganda’? Television largely spews to Hamas propaganda. Shift
I don't watch a lot of TV, but I'm curious what you're watching. Whatever it is, you should pay more attention. If the headline goes something like "100 killed awaiting aid trucks," as I saw yesterday, that's not Hamas propaganda. Note the passive voice, which excludes the underlying subject of the sentence. Israelis did the killing and that fact is elided. Reading subtly will help you ferret out the propaganda you watch on your TV. Watch also the speeches of Joe Biden. He faithfully repeats Israeli propaganda and is regularly shown on TV doing so. As I say, watch with more discernment if you want to catch propaganda in action. It's not always easy to catch, and I suspect the more TV you watch the harder it is to identify bias and lies. Joseph Goebbels told us about the big lie. TV bears this out constantly.
By using Nazi tactics?
By stopping the enemy from doing what they set out to do. Does this really need to be explained to you? These activists are willing to put skin in the game. That's true for anyone who feels their cause is just.
Yep, that was the justification for the brown shirts and you are just fine with that: Might makes right!
You truly are a slimy pile of Nazi shit.
Except they are not. They do not pull this shit in any locale that does not openly and expressly tolerate that nonsense.
"They do not pull this shit in any locale "
I'm not sure what you mean. The events in the article took place in the USA and those involved are certain to be put on local, state and federal shit lists and monitored for years to come. That's the inevitable result of their actions regardless of what state or city they are committed.
You claim not to understand what damikesc means. I think you're lying but in case you're telling the truth, the events in this article took place in Berkeley. In other words, the attackers cherry-picked their target for a jurisdiction where they are highly unlikely to face any consequences, much less the consequences you describe.
"the attackers cherry-picked their target for a jurisdiction where they are highly unlikely to face any consequences,"
Maybe you are more familiar with the details, but it was Bears for Israel that 'cherry picked' both the venue and the speaker. Take it up with them if you disapprove of their cherry picking.
More of the "But did you SEE the dress she wore?" mentality, eh?
I'm not sure what your problem is. It seems you'd prefer if Bears for Palestine chose to protest outside Berkeley. You're ignoring the fact that it's a campus group and the speaker was invited to speak on campus. It's disingenuous to criticize Bears for Palestine for not protesting elsewhere. Remember, it's a campus group and it was a campus event. Protesting a Berkeley event outside Berkeley would be inconvenient and make no sense, however much you desire it.
"I’m not sure what your problem is. It seems you’d prefer if Bears for Palestine chose to protest outside Berkeley."
Yup, it's the "protest" part, not "violently" part. Got it.
"You’re ignoring the fact that it’s a campus group and the speaker was invited to speak on campus. It’s disingenuous to criticize Bears for Palestine for not protesting elsewhere."
Shutting down an event is not a protest. Perhaps the useless shits can avoid assaulting people during their never-ending temper tantrums.
But, yes, it is the fault of a group for thinking they had a right to speak. Silly of them to think that
"Protesting a Berkeley event outside Berkeley would be inconvenient and make no sense, however much you desire it."
If only you hated idiocy half as much as you hate Jews.
"Yup, it’s the “protest” part, not “violently” part. Got it."
They clearly aren't pacifists. I don't think anyone is claiming they are. Again, I'm not sure what your point is.
"Shutting down an event is not a protest. "
I made this point earlier. It's more like direct action. Here's the original comment in case you missed it:
"They weren’t protesting. Their aim was to prevent the spread of Nazi propaganda, not signal their disapproval of it. ‘Not on my watch’ might be their motivation."
We seem to be in agreement.
"Perhaps the useless shits can avoid assaulting people during their never-ending temper tantrums."
Why? They are not pacifists. They believe that violence is justified when confronting their enemies.
"But, yes, it is the fault of a group for thinking they had a right to speak. Silly of them to think that"
It was indeed silly of them if they thought that groups like Bears for Palestine were about to sit back and let Israeli propagandists spread their poisonous lies. It's silly of you to whine about Bears for Palestine doing what they see needs to be done. Get over it already.
"If only you hated idiocy half as much as you hate Jews."
I hate the genocide Jews in Israel are committing. I support efforts to put a stop to it. I'm not about to join you in your crocodile tears for a thwarted apologist for genocide.
OH...violence is OK if they are not pacifists AND you agree with them
Not being pacifists is not carte blanche to attack people. They should be ---- but will not be --- arrested.
"“They weren’t protesting. Their aim was to prevent the spread of Nazi propaganda, not signal their disapproval of it. ‘Not on my watch’ might be their motivation.”
We seem to be in agreement."
You're aware they BEHAVED LIKE NAZIS, right?
This is the shit Hitler's goons pulled.
"It was indeed silly of them if they thought that groups like Bears for Palestine were about to sit back and let Israeli propagandists spread their poisonous lies. It’s silly of you to whine about Bears for Palestine doing what they see needs to be done. Get over it already."
Wow, you're actually more of a Fascist than Misek. Congrats.
And you defend it.
"Not being pacifists is not carte blanche to attack people."
They shut down an event where propagandists for genocide were to spread their poisonous lies. Good for them.
"You’re aware they BEHAVED LIKE NAZIS, right?"
Nazis did much worse than shutting down a propaganda event. Read your history. Nazis would have been the first to support the Israeli genocide of Palestinians. They saw genocide as a legitimate final solution to rid themselves of an alien, unwelcome population. Right wing Israels are in agreement. Bears for Palestine were behaving the opposite of Nazis and Israelis. They opposed genocide. The proposed speaker would have spoken in support of it.
"Wow, you’re actually more of a Fascist than Misek."
Weren't you praising Mussolini's economic policies the other day? I was arguing against them. I suspect you don't really know much about Nazis, Israelis, Fascists and the like.
"They shut down an event where propagandists for genocide were to spread their poisonous lies. Good for them."
You're not a Fascist, right? I mean, sure, you are all on board with their practices...but you're different because reasons, right?
"Nazis did much worse than shutting down a propaganda event. Read your history."
'Twas the area of focus for my history degree, so quite familiar, thank you. They did not kill all Jews as step one. Step one was to violently attack any opposing voices. The Communists, mind you, did the same. But the Nazis FIRST silenced voices they disagreed with. Then, when they gained power, they enacted their policies that, deep down, you agree with.
"Nazis would have been the first to support the Israeli genocide of Palestinians."
Care to guess who one of the Nazis biggest allies was in the Middle East at the time?
Hint: Not Jews.
"They saw genocide as a legitimate final solution to rid themselves of an alien, unwelcome population"
So, like the Jordanians who live in Gaza. Got it.
"Bears for Palestine were behaving the opposite of Nazis and Israelis. They opposed genocide. The proposed speaker would have spoken in support of it."
Again with the "It is not fascism if we do it". You certainly have a, uh, FLEXIBLE sense of morality.
"Weren’t you praising Mussolini’s economic policies the other day?"
Feel free to provide any citation, useless fuck.
"I was arguing against them. I suspect you don’t really know much about Nazis, Israelis, Fascists and the like."
Son, you're too dumb to realize how dumb you are.
It seems you are arguing that anyone who isn't a pacifist is a fascist. I reject this formulation. I suspect you do too, but are peddling it here because you have no other arguments to counter me.
"Twas the area of focus for my history degree, so quite familiar, thank you. They did not kill all Jews as step one. Step one was to violently attack any opposing voices. The Communists, mind you, did the same. But the Nazis FIRST silenced voices they disagreed with. Then, when they gained power, they enacted their policies that, deep down, you agree with."
You don't seem so familiar with the history. For years the Nazis promoted Jewish emigration to Palestine, or anywhere outside Germany, even offering money to incentivize German Jews to emigrate. It was only well into WWII they implemented the final solution, extermination of the Jewish population. High ranking officers in the SS like Heydrich and Eichmann spent their early careers working with Zionists in Palestine, exploiting a common enmity against Britain. The history is interesting and a lot more complicated than you've been educated to believe. I beg you to dig a little deeper than your professors demanded.
"Son, you’re too dumb to realize how dumb you are."
Your bluster and insults only make you seem silly and childish. If you're singing to the choir, I understand. It's a silly and childish choir, but it doesn't impress me.
"The events in the article took place in the USA and those involved are certain to be put on local, state and federal shit lists and monitored for years to come."
Yeah. Hold on to that one. Bet it happens any. Day. Now.
It's probably already happened. The article states that the events happened earlier this week. It only takes a minute to enter the names into a watch list. Their photos are also probably on file with all sorts of government agencies both inside and outside the country.
Is the sky purple in your version of reality?
I don't know what point you are trying to make. The state opens files and gathers information on people it considers to be enemies. Edward Snowden spelled this out for us years ago. Check it out for yourself if you doubt me.
The point is --- California does not view them as enemies.
Fuck you're an idiot.
"California does not view them as enemies."
There are plenty of federal agencies like the FBI and CIA who more than make up for any tolerance granted them by their state authorities. Again, read Snowden if you are unclear.
When will you follow in Busnell's footsteps?
If he was not a fascist pussy, he would have long ago.
Yes, murderous Marxists always feel they’re just in murdering their enemies. Just like Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, etc..
Regardless, Marxist should be destroyed in whatever form they take.
"Regardless, Marxist should be destroyed in whatever form they take."
That's a healthy attitude. Bending over backwards to give your enemies a platform to spread their poison is not a serious position to take. I'm glad I've persuaded at least one person here.
Elmer sounds like somebody who opposes genocide speaking truth to power.
No, he's delusional. He thinks Biden is a Marxist, like Stalin or Pol Pot.
So wait, what would happen if the fascist students did the same to the communist students' speakers? And why haven't they tried it yet just to find out for sure?
“…no matter how much we might disagree with their views." Was this a general comment or specifically targeted at the Israeli speaker? Me wonders!
Beat the shit out "protestors" who get violent.
Hell yeah! Beating the shit out of dirty hippies when they get out of line is ALWAYS the right call.
And they were all expelled, right?
None of the alleged assailants have been identified, Mogulof said. ... There were not sufficient police resources to make arrests at the scene, he said.
Convenient.
"We are 'combatting the lies' by SHUTTING IT DOWN," adding that Bar-Yoshafat "is a genocide denier, and we will not allow for this event to go on."
What does that even mean? Bar-Yoshafat was likely there to talk ABOUT the genocide that the protesters/rioters were defending.
These kids seem really confused.
There is not even the hint of immorality or illegality in having a lecture where your attendance must imply that you will listen.
Except in publicly-funded education. OUr stupidest and laziest President in history did this. Some time (Lent would be appropriate) read the 'dissertation' by Biden's wife. There you see why education is so horrible.
"“In short, some of the least qualified students, taught by the least qualified professors in the lowest quality courses supply most American public school teachers.”
― Thomas Sowell, Inside American Education"
I"ve probably attended 8 post-high school places of education besides being a teacher. It is stupid teachers and foolish politicians that deliver this foolish end product.