Losing the Home State

Plus: Adderall shortages, infrastructure lessons, Kanye West, and more...

Unsurprising: Former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley lost to Donald Trump in her home state's primary on Saturday, winning 39.5 percent of the vote to Trump's 59.8 percent.

Haley has said she will not be dropping out of the presidential race "until the last person votes" with her campaign announcing more ad spends ahead of Super Tuesday. Meanwhile, her Koch-affiliated funders at Americans for Prosperity Action have decided to pull support, instead choosing to focus on more winnable House and Senate races. (Disclosure: Reason Foundation, the nonprofit which publishes this website, has also received Koch funding.)

Trump posted on his social media platform, Truth Social, that billionaire Charles Koch "and his group got played for suckers right from the beginning!" and called Haley "braindead."

"I said earlier this week that no matter what happens in South Carolina, I would continue to run for president. I'm a woman of my word," Haley said in a speech on Saturday. "I'm not giving up this fight when a majority of Americans disapprove of both Donald Trump and Joe Biden."

Haley is right that both candidates' disapproval ratings are stunningly high, and that third-party candidates such as Robert F. Kennedy Jr. are somewhat unprecedentedly gaining traction. But that doesn't mean that staying in the race will do much of anything.

Self-immolation outside the Israeli embassy: An active-duty U.S. airman named Aaron Bushnell has reportedly died after setting himself on fire outside of the Israeli Embassy in Washington D.C., protesting the Israeli government's invasion of Gaza.

Bushnell filmed his protest and livestreamed it on Twitch. "I will no longer be complicit in genocide," said Bushnell, prior to setting himself on fire. "I am about to engage in an extreme act of protest," he said before dousing himself in a liquid, lighting himself on fire, and shouting "Free Palestine!"

This is the second self-immolation in front of an Israeli embassy that's happened in response to the current conflict in Gaza. The first protest took place in Atlanta late last year, and it resulted in severe injuries but not death of the protester.

Meanwhile in Gaza… The Israel Defense Forces have reportedly presented plans for removing civilians from active combat zones in Gaza, which "reinforces Israel's intention to send troops into Rafah," per The New York Times. Rafah, which is on the border with Egypt, is where hundreds of thousands of Gazans have taken refuge. The Israeli military's intentions have drawn criticism from the United States. Very little information has emerged to the general public about what is in the plan.

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Scenes from New York: "There's been a national shortage of ADHD medication for more than a year and a half," writes Intelligencer's James D. Walsh. "According to the government and industry experts, there are multiple overlapping causes: manufacturing problems, labor issues, supply-chain failures, and a huge rise in demand during the pandemic. But Ascent [a drug manufacturer based on Long Island] claims there's another factor exacerbating the shortage, one that's completely sui generis: the fact that it's been shut down by the Drug Enforcement Administration." More here.

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QUICK HITS

• "A bill to legalize testing strips for xylazine, a powerful tranquilizer that has been showing up in cities, towns and villages across the state, passed the state Assembly Wednesday on a voice vote," reports the Wisconsin Examiner. "Like fentanyl testing strips, tests for xylazine are considered drug paraphernalia under current Wisconsin law."
• "The United States has the most expensive transportation infrastructure in the world," writes Alon Levy at Asterisk. "That's because we refuse to learn from experts, other countries, and our own history."
• "Vultures 1 is not Kanye's best work, but his B-minus is an A-plus for most artists," writes Eli Lake in The Free Press. "And in 2024, despite his controversies and failed cancellations, Kanye is still capable of finding musical brilliance inside of his crazy."
• More straight-up absurdity from Google's artificial intelligence chatbot, Gemini:

I was able to replicate this! They need to shut Gemini down. It is several months away from being ready for prime time. It is astounding that Google released it in this state. https://t.co/wCqKE1eLbI pic.twitter.com/dxWavP3oei

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) February 25, 2024

• This app-powered trash food article from The New York Times is actually kind of awesome, if you're willing to look past a lot of the climate-related justifications.
• Mail delivery in Ukraine amid the backdrop of war.

Comments

[Fist of Etiquette]

Former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley lost to Donald Trump in her home state's primary on Saturday...

Yes, but if they manage to put Trump in prison...

[Jerry B.]

Eugene Debs ran for president on the Socialist ticket from the Atlanta Federal Penitentiary after having been convicted of sedition. Don't see why Trump couldn't.

[TrickyVic (old school)]

https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/622489/eugene-debs-socialist-who-ran-for-president-from-prison

[mamabug]

Pretty sure the constitution says felons can't vote, nothing about them not being elected.

[TrickyVic (old school)]

The founding fathers supported the idea that it should be up to the voters. Absence of term limits for example. That was added later.

Many of them knew politicians were scum but thought you had the right to elect the scum of your choice as long as they were natural US born and over 35.

[markm23]

The Constitution (14th and 15th Amendments) says that it is up to state governments whether they allow felons to vote, not that states must ban voting for felons. But except for insurrectionists (which are not defined, but when this clause was written the only people it could affect were Confederates who broke their oaths to the union), there is nothing at all in the Constitution to ban felons from running for office and serving if elected. Congress has the power to determine the qualifications of its members, so either house can kick a member out for crime, but - and this happened with Adam Clayton Powell - the same constituency can reelect a convicted felon after he resigned or was thrown out of Congress, and Congress has seated him.

It's not that easy when it's the President; the only route I can see for Congress to reject the undisputed winner of the election would be to install him as President and immediately impeach him for his crimes. It looks to me like the Senate could not just take the verdict of a state or even a federal court, but would have to try him again. As poor as the cases against him seem to be, I don't think you could get 2/3 of non-partisan, non-biased Senators to convict, let alone 68 Senators from a Senate that's split about 55 - 45 Democrat to Republican.

[mtrueman]

Leonard Peltier ran for president from prison during the Bush Jr. years. There's probably been others. It's important to note though that none of the imprisoned candidates have run with success.

[Truthfulness]

I'm sure it's got to do more with having unpopular policies more than anything else, not because they were in prison.

[Fist of Etiquette]

An active-duty U.S. airman named Aaron Bushnell has reportedly died after setting himself on fire outside of the Israeli Embassy in Washington D.C., protesting the Israeli government's invasion of Gaza.

I'm beginning to suspect some mental illness afoot, and not just with the airman.

[Idaho-Bob]

Waiting for them to blame Libs of Tik Tok.

[HorseConch]

It was definitely her fault. I'm sure she shared something hurtful to him at some point.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

The information coming out on this guy is that he was a typical self-loathing Antifa soyface. The only real mild surprise here is that he was Air Force comm instead of intel, which is packed with leftist trash like a lot of the glowie departments.

Can't really feel sorry that this idiot's going to spend the rest of his useless life in agonizing pain, but I won't be shocked if this is a precursor to the DoD's Zoomer/Millennial force subverting and destroying it from within.

Like Pope Milei says, you can't give shit leftards an inch, because if you give them an inch, they'll use it to destroy you.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Daily Fail:

He has apparent links to at least two anarchist groups, Burning River Anarchist Collective and Mutual Aid Street Solidarity – both of which are based in Ohio. Bushnell followed the groups on Facebook.

Anything with “collective,” “mutual aid,” and/or “solidarity” in the title is fundamentally marxist. Bring back McCarthyism.

[JesseAz]

Do the armed services even run background checks anymore? SF86 asks people if they belong to any subversive groups. If media can find this out, the security investigators are doing a shit job.

[Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf]

Different definitions of "subversive" are all it takes.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Another win for Diversity!

[Longtobefree]

The only disqualifiers are being a Christian and/or a republican.
Other than that, 98.6 and vertical sums it up.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Well, it depends on your AFSC, at least as far as the Air Force is concerned. When someone gets a "background check" for the military, it's typically only a basic one to check for criminal convictions, identity verification, and things like that. It really isn't any different than what you might get on a normal job application.

It's only the Top Secret SSBI where they really crawl up your ass looking for any shady shit that might be going on. And realistically, the military's not going to give a crap about a bunch of commie wannabes signing up these days, because they're all in a recruiting crisis and need all the bodies they can get, plus the fact that a generation-plus of "oh, they'll grow out of this college radicalism phase" cultural and ideological neglect the neocons indulged in, resulted in the ideological capture of the government by these cretins.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Keep in mind, too, recruiters don't have backdoors to social media like the NSA--you can learn a lot about someone by reading their Facebook or Instagram feeds, but of those are privated, an overburdened recruiter isn't going to deep-dive if a basic background check is passed. He's got an E-7 supervisor breathing down his neck demanding quota fills and doesn't have time.

[soldiermedic76]

Yeah, recruiters really have one of the worst jobs and most stressful jobs in the military. But some love it. My cousin did, spent the last six of his 30 as a recruiter.

[soldiermedic76]

Also, recruiters probably eat dinner at home less often than drill instructors, especially if they're in a more rural area.

[JesseAz]

Nah. Even the Secret SF86 asks the questions regarding membership to other groups. And an investigator is assigned. How well they investigate seems to be up to the investigator though.

TS will go out and talk with neighbors and shit though.

[Incunabulum]

Most people don’t do an SF-86 and even for those who do, remember – ‘antifa isn’t an organization, its an *idea*’;)

Even for Secret, you fill out the SF-86, they do an automated background check, and that's it. No investigation.

[Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf]

I remember the first time I saw a reference to an anarchists union fighting on the side of the Spanish communists during their civil war. "Anarchists union" was such an oxymoron to start with, and fighting for communists? Took me a while to figure out, sort of, that there are anarchists who say the very concept of owning property is statist; somehow morph that into supporting public ownership of literally everything, down to clothes, toothbrushes, and shelter; somehow come up with the brain fart that communism is the closest they can every get; and thus support dictatorships. About the only thing I can say in their defense is that this was before Stalin's horrors were known as anything but crony capitalist propaganda.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Or maybe they have selective anarchy, and only want to eliminate governments they don't like.

[TheReEncogitationer]

Clothes, toothbrushes, and shelter? Hell, one batch of COVID-19 or even lice would suffice to break them up!
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[Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf]

I'd think it should be rejected before even uttering it. But near as I can tell, there really are some people with such a hatred of private property that they do insist that even toothbrushes must be shared.

[Its_Not_Inevitable]

Seems their shared hatred of individual rights and private property is what brings them together,

[mad.casual]

Bring back McCarthyism.

No need. Can you imagine how much more convinced you'd be if the whole collective self-immolated? Personally, I think it would make a much more compelling argument.

[sarcasmic]

Fight totalitarianism by outlawing thoughts.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

A nation is not obligated to sponsor its own subversion. In fact, if McCarthy came back, the first thing he'd say is, "I told you so."

[sarcasmic]

So you see no irony in outlawing ideas in the name of liberty?

[Idaho-Bob]

it's actions, not ideas. But you knew that.

[sarcasmic]

McCarthy did a lot more than just go after actions. He ruined the lives of people he suspected of merely having Communist ideas, and was often wrong. It was a shameful episode of American history, not something to look back on as a guide.

[Commenter_XY]

McCarthy was more often right than wrong. The Venona Project showed that conclusively.

McCarthy's mistake was being a total boor.

Alcoholism did not help matters.

[sarcasmic]

If you say so. Still doesn't sway me towards policing thought.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

Mccarthy was not policing thought.

[JesseAz]

It isnt outlawing. It is not giving them access to government jobs dumdum.

During the entire Resistance movement under Trump activists were bragging about using government databases for political reasons.

[sarcasmic]

I'm responding to calls to bring back McCarthyism. Not sure what you're responding to. The voices in your head is my best guess.

[Pear Satirical]

McCarthy was focused on rooting out communist infiltrators and Soviet agents in the government. And as we now know, he was 100% right!

[sarcasmic]

He did a lot more than just that.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Based on marxism's history? Absolutely not.

[sarcasmic]

Alright. I think creating thoughtcrimes to prevent a 1984 style government is the height of irony. Guess it's just me.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

I consider any marxist subversion and provocation, including direct action, to be a violation of the NAP.

[R Mac]

Sarc doesn’t like people going after commies, and doesn’t want us to call out fascism. Weird.

[sarcasmic]

Collectivism isn't inherently evil. It becomes evil when it's backed with force, as in participate or else. Mutual-aid organizations were all over the country at one point. They served functions like providing a social safety net or insurance by voluntarily pooling resources. FDR made a point ending that during the Great Depression to get people dependent upon New Deal programs instead of each other, and some have come back in response to Obamacare for example. Voluntary collectivism is a good thing.

[Commenter_XY]

sarcasmic, can you provide an example of collectivism being an inherent good?

[sarcasmic]

Inherent? I didn’t mean that. I should have put a qualifier in the last sentence. Mostly. Often. Usually.

I’m agreeing that communist forms of government that coerce society into collectivism are indeed inherently evil. Yes. Totally.

That doesn’t mean all collectivism is inherently evil or good. It does become evil when backed by force. Mutual-aid societies, at least in this country before FDR, were not that. They were a good thing. I’m guessing you have counterexamples where mutual-aid societies are not a good thing. Great. Collectivism isn’t inherently good or evil.

[Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo]

The existence of Marxism is a violation of the NAP. There should be a constitutional amendment outlawing the practice of Marxism.

[Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo]

McCarthy was an American hero. He was right about almost everything. The left did a good job maligning him though.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

Mccarthy didn't outlaw any ideas, man. Get a grip.

[sarcasmic]

Guilt by association amounts to the same thing.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

Bzzzzzzzt

[soldiermedic76]

But it's right wing extremists in uniform that we need to deal with...

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

They might refuse to shoot the insurrectionists.

[soldiermedic76]

That's their real fear.

[Zeb]

What kind of backwards fucking anarchist joins the military?

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Dude, you'd be shocked at how many fucking degenerates join up. The patriotic ones are still there, the "military caste" whose families have signed up going back to the Revolution, but they're becoming less common, and one merely need look at how fucked up the Zoomers are to understand that those people are going to trickle into the military for various reasons, ranging from the GI Bill to "I need a job" to "I'm fucking bored and don't have anything else going on" to "I'm living hand-to-mouth and at least I'll get three meals and a place to sleep."

[soldiermedic76]

Yeah, I served with some real dirt bags and quacks. A few I'm pretty sure were certifiable psychopaths too (although, contrary to popular thought, psychopaths don't do well in the service from my experience). The military caste still makes up a majority but not as much as it once did. Knew quite a few GI Bill chasers even back in 1995-2005 when I served (but most never actually ended up using their GI Bill). The one that really got me was how many D&D, Magic, etc players there were and goths and punks.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Were they disappointed about the lack of swords and magic spells?

[soldiermedic76]

Despite regulations against blades longer than certain lengths in the barracks, I saw more than one sword when I lived in the barracks. A few battle axes and maces too.

Mandatory fun days, when we came in civies (and yes they are as bad as they sound) could really be interesting.

[soldiermedic76]

Actually, mandatory fun days were worse than they sound. Dining out and service balls on the other hand were pretty fun, even if you did have to wear your class A or mess uniforms, but there was more alcohol involved and far more tradition. If you ever get a chance to be a guest at a dining out or service ball, I highly recommend you take it. The making of the grog can be really interesting.

[rbike]

Don't forget taxpayers funded transitioning.

[Incunabulum]

black bloc 'anarchists'

They like to wear black hood and break shit but are actually pushing for an ever increasingly powerful state but are stupid enough to think they're anarchists.

[Spiritus Mundi]

Fiery but peaceful protest.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Did he consider his carbon footprint? Or carbon foot?

[Don't look at me!]

I hope he used some kind of biofuel.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

I've never seen the point of self-immolation. Instead of living to protest, you turn yourself into a human version of saganaki on someone's doorstep, thus removing you from any future solution.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

[TheReEncogitationer]

Damnit! Don't these Buddhists know that the Islamofascists are out to get them too?
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[Truthfulness]

Your anti-Buddhist thought is noted.

[TheReEncogitationer]

It is not anti-Buddhist, but pro-history-based sick joke. And I make the joke because I think self-immolation is a stupid way to do activism or anything else!

The only ones who would actually seriously advocate burning Buddhists are the Buddhists themselves and Christians who support burning Unbelievers at the stake and, of course, Muslims who would burn them if no other method of murder were available.

You really need to get a clue of two, Truthiness.
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[But SkyNet is a Private Company]

Link to Christians burning unbelievers at the stake in the last 300 years

[TheReEncogitationer]

African Christians still do witch-hunts throughout the Continent, so that timeline may be smaller than you think.

[Mother's Lament]

Because they have actual witches killing albinos and selling their body parts.

In parts of Africa, people with albinism are hunted for their body parts.

The stupidest thing modern popular culture in the West did is conflate witches with cunning folk.

[Mother's Lament]

"Link to Christians burning unbelievers at the stake in the last 300 years"

Encog is being an idiot. They burned heretics, usually Protestants with the occasional Catholic in the spirit of reciprocity, or Christians accused of witchcraft. Never unbelievers.

They'd fight crusades against unbelievers, but they killed those with swords, arrows and spears.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Rafah, which is on the border with Egypt, is where hundreds of thousands of Gazans have taken refuge.

Egypt is so close, but alas.

[Spiritus Mundi]

Egypt has a long history of banishing unwanted people to Canaan Judea Isreal "Palestine."

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Genocide!

[TheReEncogitationer]

A long fictitious history.

There are thousands of Egyptian documents on papyrus, hieroglypcics on tablets, walls, statues, and steles, and the only reference to Israelites from the time of the so-called Exodus was the Merneptah Stele, which proclaimed that the Pharaoh Merneptah had destroyed the Israelites.

Merneptah Stele--Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merneptah_Stele

The Merneptah Stele and The Bible can't both be true, but can both be false.

According to John McCarthy's documentary It Ain't Necessarily So, the people we call Israelites were always in Canaan and simply settled in what's called The Holy Land from another part of Canaan. Hence, as I contend, they have as much as historical claim to the land as anyone else who's ever been there.

[But SkyNet is a Private Company]

Only a special kind of idiot doesn’t even consider that the Israelites account may be truthful.

[TheReEncogitationer]

In addition, there are no Hebrew language documents, Hebrew hieroglyphics, or Hebrew artifacts that date from the time of the so-called Exodus in Egypt or Sinai. You would think 40 years of meandering around in the Sinai would have left behind something.

The Israelites were never held captive in Egypt, they were always in Canaan, and this is also confirmed by Rabbi David Wolpe and other Rabbinic Jewish scholars.

Given the horrific history of the Jews, this is all a good thing! Rejoice in it!

[But SkyNet is a Private Company]

“This was confirmed” huh? Despite their being, as you say, no texts from the period??
I mean, other than the texts you discount out of hand that say what you don’t want them to say.

You are a special kind of idiot. Do you even read your own idiotic arguments before posting?

[TheReEncogitationer]

The texts of Egypt, combined with archeological and anthropological data, confirms that the Hebrew Israelites came from another part of Caanan and not out of captivity in Egypt.

And the lack of mention of Hebrew Israelites in vast number of Egyptian texts would make less credible if not contradict the statements of a single text that claimed Hebrew Israelites were in Egypt.

Yep, I'm that special idiot who goes with evidence, wherever it takes me.

[Truthfulness]

I suggest you give these two books a read:
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/019513088X/reasonmagazinea-20/
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0199731691/reasonmagazinea-20/

These were published by the Oxford University Press, which isn't exactly known for promoting Judaism or Christianity nowadays. You also fail to note that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, and that Egyptian historians at the time did not record their defeats.

The Exodus has not been conclusively disproven. Lose your antisemitic narrative.

[Mother's Lament]

“the people we call Israelites were always in Canaan”

Genetic research shows that this is true, but only part of the story. You can show Israeli descent right down to the Natufians on a PCA chart, but there was also an influx in the early bronze age of people with Anatolian farmer, Caucus Hunter Gatherer and Iran Neolithic ancestry, matching people living in Sanliurfa and up to Gobeklitepe.

Out of the people living in Israel today, the Samaritans are most genetically like Iron Age Levantines. Both Palestinians and Israelis have similar Iron Age Levant amounts, with the Palestinians drifting towards the Arabs, the Ashkenazi towards Europeans, and the Mizrahi drifting towards whatever population of the country they were formerly living in.

[TheReEncogitationer]

According to John McCarthy, Hadassah Hospital in Israel did genetic research on both Arabs and Jews and found that Arabs had a single Patrilineal lineage with only a few offshoots, and that Hebrew Jews are one of the offshoots.

So basically, the Arabs war against Israel and the Jews is a family feud stacked on top of a religious war. What a mess!

[Mother's Lament]

Yeah, a lot of the stuff in McCarthy's show has been, well... not disproven, but I guess expanded on.

We're in the golden age of archaeogenetics right now. It's like when Van Leeuwenhoek first looked through his microscope and started cataloging the squiggling things he saw.

Explanations that were accurate based on all the evidence we had just two or three years ago, have become outdated in the blink of an eye. The paradigms are shifting each week.

But one thing is for certain. Arabs do not have a single Y-chromosome lineage, and neither do Jews... although that would fit the Abraham progenitor story.

[TheReEncogitationer]

I haven't looked into the pathways of specific genetic lines, but you are correct that we do discover more things every day that push back the boundaries of ignorance and make ancient tribal legends seem more and more quaint.

[Mother's Lament]

The modern 'truths' often have less to them than the old myths. People writing about events two or three hundred years before, often have a better grasp on truth despite their embellishments than those who speculate from ivory towers 3400 years later.

We learned that on everything from Troy to the Saraswati.

[Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo]

Is that their version of The Phantom Zone?

Note to self; invent Phantom Zone projector. Send democrats there.

[Medulla Oblongata]

And protecting their border with Gaza.

[Commenter_XY]

So....where is the vaunted arab world in helping their gazan brothers and sisters? The Egyptians want nothing to do with gazans. Why? No arab country is willing to take in refugees. Why? Not even Iran is willing to take in gazan refugees. The arab world bleat like weak sheep, and do nothing. They cannot be taken seriously.

Answer: Because nobody in their right fucking mind is going to invite a bunch of Judeocidal terrorists to set up shop in their country.

In the meantime, Israel is doing the world a favor by taking out it's trash: Hamas.

The only thing that needs to happen now is that Israel has to kill more Hamas members faster. And hunt Hamas members down worldwide, and kill them.

[Fist of Etiquette]

There's been a national shortage of ADHD medication for more than a year and a half...

The last thing we need is kids walking out of the fog.

[TheReEncogitationer]

“According to the government and industry experts, there are multiple overlapping causes: manufacturing problems, labor issues, supply-chain failures, and a huge rise in demand during the pandemic. But Ascent [a drug manufacturer based on Long Island] claims there’s another factor exacerbating the shortage, one that’s completely sui generis: the fact that it’s been shut down by the Drug Enforcement Administration.”

A whole lot of somebodies obviously had short attention spans in Economics Class. 🙂
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[Mike Parsons]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13126517/AP-Laken-Riley-coverage-illegal-immigrant.html

"AP under fire for Laken Riley coverage after posting story about how her murder highlights the 'dangers for female joggers' but fails to mention migration or fact suspect had been let out of jail a month ago"

Suspects brother also here illegally and released after committing crimes. Both illegal, both have committed crimes, both released instead of deported. This is Biden's America.

AP - "this is why being a female is dangerous"

CNN - "some person who didnt know the victim was the suspect"

Watching propaganda happen in real time.

[Jerry B.]

But we can't put the illegal immigrants in jail. how can we get all those economic benefits if they're locked up?

[JesseAz]

Prisoners need food trucks too.

[Dillinger]

Tio Enrique's Northern Mexican Tacos y Mas is open during Business Hours.

[JesseAz]

Associated Press just called him an Athens resident. His brother had a falsified green card.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Hey, we are all citizens of the world. And therefore entitled to everyone's stuff.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Look, among may failings, the progressive left simply can't connect different issues, even when obvious.

Attacks on women? Double-plus bad.
Restricting immigration? Unfair and mean.
Locking up criminals? Totally unfair.

Any relationships among these issues and opinions? Huh?

[Fist of Etiquette]

The United States has the most expensive transportation infrastructure in the world...

Look for the union label.

[Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf]

FIFY.

"Look for the union label tattooed across their butt."

[Mike Parsons]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhfW6GFvat8

"Vaush and leftists defending CP"

Weird, there aren't voices on the right defending CP. Why are the lefties who promise grooming absolutely doesnt happen also out there defending CP?

[Idaho-Bob]

Gary Plauché lead by example.

[Fist of Etiquette]

It is astounding that Google released it in this state.

You know who else started something before they were fully prepared?

[Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf]

Minutemen in April 1775?

Redcoats in April 1775?

[Ska]

The Minutemen probably weren't that prepared in 1984 either.

[JesseAz]

Obama and the ACA exchanges?

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Robert Scott while exploring Antarctica?

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Biden and his Afghan withdrawal?

[Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf]

Too bad he didn't withdraw prematurely for Hunter.

[Super Scary]

Me? For most of my life?

[Randy Sax]

The Donner party?

[Longtobefree]

Proof even snowflakes can be deadly!

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Believe it or not, the actual exit sign for Donner Lake has a food symbol on it: https://www.thetimesclock.com/news/06/2023/photo-of-donner-lake-exit-goes-viral-for-cannibal-connection/

[TheReEncogitationer]

Michael Jackson?
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[Commenter_XY]

Russia, when they invaded Ukraine?

[TheReEncogitationer]

True, but Shhhh!...You'll summon Nardz and Goldie.
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[Dillinger]

the kid is not my son.

[TheReEncogitationer]

Was not my son. And the same here.
🙂
😉

[HorseConch]

A rather amazing campaign Nikki is running. If she stays in all the way to the convention, she may set a record for least delegates compiled by someone actually campaigning to be president.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Americans for Prosperity, the neocon PAC that was one of her primary donors, decided to stop funding her after SC. We'll see if Reid Hoffman and the liberals decide to follow suit.

[Commenter_XY]

Governor Haley will wither away from irrelevancy.

[Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf]

For anyone interested in the passenger train / light rail aspect of this, Romance of the Rails is an amazing look at the foibles introduced by government. City governments especially, but later state and federal governments, first did everything they could to hobble new forms of transportation, then taxed them, then subsidized them as newer forms made the old (and tax-generating) forms obsolete.

"The United States has the most expensive transportation infrastructure in the world," writes Alon Levy at Asterisk. "That's because we refuse to learn from experts, other countries, and our own history."

[InsaneTrollLogic]

I’ve said similar things until I’m blue in the face toward the rail crowd. Most of them never seem to get it and are in love with high-speed rail as it exists in Europe, China, and Japan, without realizing the density differences between those places and most of North America. It’s why Amtrak’s only really successful line is the Northeast Corridor. Everywhere else, they lose out to vehicles for short distances and destinations well off the tracks, and to airplanes which can go farther and cost less per ticket.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Yeah, but if we would follow WEF guidelines, and all live in just a few mega-metro centers, and in gigantic apartment blocks just a short walk from the train station, it would all make sense.

[Randy Sax]

Only on days they let you out of the pod.

[TheReEncogitationer]

"The best laid plans of mice and men...". OOPS! I may have accidently summoned somebody!
🙂
😉

[mtrueman]

"Amtrak’s only really successful line is the Northeast Corridor."

That's hardly high speed rail service. South Korean service runs up to 190 mph. Also 'private' industry is planning on building a high speed link from Dallas to Houston, eta 90 minutes. 3.5 hours by car.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Their competition isn't the car. It's the airplane.

[mtrueman]

It depends on the distance. Houston to Dallas may be the ideal distance for rail travel, cars and planes taking over the role for distances under and over respectively. Houston to Dallas is about an hour flight time (not including red tape), but it's airport to airport rather than more centrally located rail terminals.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Have you ever tried to get from your house to a city-center train station? Getting to modern airports is well established and easier, in a personal car or by other means.

[mtrueman]

"Have you ever tried to get from your house to a city-center train station?"

It's easy if you live near a subway station. I don't think there's a subway system in the world that doesn't connect to the city's central rail terminus.

"Getting to modern airports "

Let's say that's no problem. But then there's getting away from the airport at the other end of the trip. That's going to be a problem unless you have two cars. Or perhaps one car and one bicycle.

[JesseAz]

“I was present when Hunter Biden called his father on a cell phone and put the call on speaker. Present for the call were Yelena Baturina, an investor in Rosemont projects, her husband Yuri Luzhkov, the former mayor of Moscow, and Devon Archer,” Galanis told congressional staff in testimony obtained by The Post.

“During the May 4th party, we were told to go to an area of the restaurant to gather because Hunter was going to call his father. Hunter called his father, said hello and ‘hold on, Pops,’ then put the call on speakerphone and said, ‘I am here with our friends I told you were coming to town, and we wanted to say hello.’

“The vice president said ‘hello’ and some pleasantries of ‘Hope you had safe travels,’ and then seemed like he wanted to bring the call to an end by saying, ‘OK then, you be good to my boy.’

https://nypost.com/2024/02/23/us-news/biden-told-yuri-luzhkov-to-be-good-to-my-boy-during-call-while-vp-hunter-associate/

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

But Trump!

[Foo_dd]

".......said from his Alabama prison........."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

so Biden essentially said "ok, be nice," which amounts to nothing to begin with...... and your source for that nothing is someone in prison for FRAUD.

i don't like Biden, but that is even more garbage than ANY of the charges against Trump.

[JesseAz]

Parody or dumb?

It shows a direct contradiction of Joe's words as well as his brothers testimony. Joe was getting om the phone with Hunters clients. Likewise we have the recent report of CEFC expecting to join the firm while Joe was VP. The money transfers happened while Joe was VP.

At a minimum this is a clear example of FARA violations or fraud.

Live in ignorance like most leftists.

[mamabug]

If we accept as a basic premise that Billionaires don't throw money around without expecting something for it, then there are only three possible conclusions:

1. Hunter is a brilliant consultant and worth every penny/ruble/ruan he was paid.

2. Hunter is the best conman who ever lived as he managed to get paid money by selling the 'illusion of access' that never manifested in material benefit.

3. Joe was in on it.

[Commenter_XY]

#3

[Foo_dd]

dear god you are stupid. he basically said "hi.... bye." are you saying it is a FARA violation for an elected official to say hello to someone? if that is rational then all the charges against trump start to look a lot more reasonable.

all the fretting and obsessing over hunter, and this is the best you can come up with? a man convicted of fraud claiming Biden said hello to him once?

[JesseAz]

The FARA and raud would be for his family retard.

For Joe it is the fact he recieved the benefits as per the wire transfers and checks from money that was dependent on his name per multiple testimony.

And if he changed Ukraine policy due yo his sons ventures, that is bribery. Seeing as how State was praising Shokin just months before Burisma hired Hunter, this would show and active bribery. Federal bribery can be personal or familial benefit in exchange for an action in office.

Again. The ignorance of the left has no bounds.

[Commenter_XY]

It is willful ignorance.

[Foo_dd]

it is reading the article this dipshit posted. for all his claims, the only evidence he posted was that a man in jail for fraud claims Biden once said hello to him.

[Foo_dd]

"The FARA and raud would be for his family retard. "

so, it is a FARA violation if your elected family member says hello to someone...... an elected official saying hello to someone is a FARA violation..... that is what i asked if you were saying, and it is what you are saying, retard.

what you posted was a story about a convicted fraudster claiming Biden once said hello to him...... you posted that as if it meant something. it doesn't.

[Fats of Fury]

Want to explain how a crackhead near-do-well son of a sitting US Vice-President ends up on the board of a Ukrainian energy company?

[Foo_dd]

oh my god..... children of famous people being treated like they are famous!!!!!!

[JesseAz]

And here you retreat back to ignoring the testimony of multiple Hunter business partners. Lol.

[Foo_dd]

like the man in jail for fraud you posted here? the man whose earth shattering claim is that Biden just said hello and then ended the call?

[Fats of Fury]

Riiiiiiggghht. Crackhead son got a 50 grand a month do nothing job on the board of an Ukrainian energy company because Joe was famous.

[Mother's Lament]

Mr. Buttplug call your office please.

Politico Reporter on MSNBC Says You’re a ‘Christian Nationalist’ if You Believe Your Rights as an American Come From God

“they believe that our rights as Americans and as all human beings do not come from any Earthly authority. They don’t come from Congress, from the Supreme Court, they come from God”

Pic of aforementioned Christian Nationalists in action

[Idaho-Bob]

I saw this clip over the weekend. Berating one group for being zealots while openly displaying her zealotry in the next breath.

Fucking weird.

[JesseAz]

The main goal of these people is too remove any indication of rights so they can stomp on them.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

The "rights come from Gawd" bullshit is a sneaky way to get the priests, deacons, or mullahs into the legislature. Because only the Bible-beaters have a link to what Gawd says to all his stupid critters.

Christo-Fascism is a form of statism and repression.

As a humanist I determine what my rights are. And they are way more expansive than what the mullahs tell us they are.

[Idaho-Bob]

Now do gov't worshipping media.

[JesseAz]

And when Soros decides your right to speech is harmful he will spend hundreds of millions funding politicians and activist groups to remove those rights.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

Soros/Open Society says all dogma must be questioned.

It's more free speech than you conservatives can handle. That's why you hate him.

[JesseAz]

He literally funds censorship retard.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/george-soros-big-tech-censorship-midterm-elections

Please define free speech.

[Mother's Lament]

Neo-pagan globalists like Buttplug don't hold any truths to be self-evident. Open Society isn't big on the idea of Natural Law.

[soldiermedic76]

Which is kinda ironic since European Pagans arguably honored rights more than pre-reformation Christians. But even Pre-reformation Christians had a fairly well developed ideal of natural rights, at least for free men.

[Mother's Lament]

Neo-paganism has no more in common with historical paganism than a D&D session in someone's basement.

[soldiermedic76]

Oh I agree, except the like to pretend the worship gods like Thor and Odin (I'll believe this when they start sacrificing nine of every kind every nine years). I have a neo-paganist cousin, and he was and still is into the whole goth, RPG scene. I think it mainly is to piss off his conservative LDS parents, I really don't see him dying in battle to get to Valhalla no matter how many Odin Runes he wears.

[Truthfulness]

In other words, it’s akin to certain forms of Satanism–some Satanists really believe and worship the devil, while others don’t really believe in him, but participate in stuff like rituals nonetheless all just to show their anti-Christian resentment. Christianity disapproves of both kinds.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

I wasn't aware that innate rights were some sort of "dogma", dipshit.

[Mother's Lament]

They are for Pluggo. That's why the kid in his basement is some kind of religious extremist.

[Sevo]

turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

These are innate rights, given by God, a creator, nature, or whatever else isn't some kind of government, dipshit. If they can be given by government, they can be taken away by government. If they're innate, they cannot be taken away by anyone.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

I didn't say anything about government.

Please provide a complete list of these Gawd-Given rights. I want to make sure my favorite rights are included.

Because if they are just warmed over Christian bullshit I reject it all based on separation of church/state.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Obviously you were asleep in your civics class.

Let's start with the Declaration of Independence.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Now, let's look at the Bill of Rights.

https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/bill-of-rights-transcript

The Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.

Notice that this is to prevent abuses by government of rights not considered to be granted by government, as in Article the Third through Article the Twelfth on the link.

[sarcasmic]

Please provide a complete list of these Gawd-Given rights. I want to make sure my favorite rights are included.

Negative rights, by their very nature, are not enumerable. This is because they only require non-interference. The right to keep and bear arms is a great example.

Positive rights are easily listed because they require coercion. The right to free health care is a great example because it can only be had by coercing others into paying for it.

When people talk about natural rights, they're talking about negative rights. They can't be listed because they're uncountable.
The Founders understood this when they wrote the 9A.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

They can’t be listed because they’re uncountable.

Which is my point.

[Sevo]

turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

[sarcasmic]

I thought your point was that you wanted to reject them as being religious.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

They can’t be listed

my first point from my original post

they’re uncountable.

my second point - they not limited to any deity.

[sarcasmic]

Deity has nothing to do with it. It’s just a way of saying that natural rights simply exist, by saying they came from something that simply exists. I’m not religious in the slightest, and I’m a firm, principled proponent of negative rights because they simply require a lack of coercion to be enforced. All the right to keep and bear arms requires is a lack of infringement. Freedom of speech simply requires that Congress make no law. Positive rights are very different, and shouldn’t be called “rights” in the first place, since they cannot exist without coercion. Positive right do indeed come from government, and can be listed, because they require legislation to exist. What dishonest people do is conflate the two to push the false premise that all rights come from government.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

"natural rights simply exist"

Good enough.

[Truthfulness]

@Shrike

Says who?

[DesigNate]

Your point was shitting up the thread with your anti-religious bigotry.

[Sevo]

The TDS-addled turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

[Sevo]

turd certainly is dishonest, but he’s got a heaping helping of stupid to go with his dishonesty. Stupid, lying, despicable steaming pile of lefty shit and proud to be!

[DesigNate]

Goddamn you are one stupid motherfucker.

[A Thinking Mind]

I'm an atheist, though, so I don't believe rights come from God. They are inherent to our nature as human beings. Government can infringe upon those rights, but it cannot create them. The only significant purpose of having a government is a guarantor of rights, to grant some justice after the fact once rights have been violated, but to do so in a way that guarantees the right of the person I'm accusing.

Congress and the Supreme Court have never granted a single right.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

This is logical.

But the Bible-beaters want to insert their propaganda into the discussion.

But the problem remains - a legislature must define all "rights" - so ultimately they are human-defined.

[JesseAz]

Governmemt defined rights aren't rights. That is the entire point of the constitution and limits on government power retard.

[sarcasmic]

But the problem remains – a legislature must define all “rights” – so ultimately they are human-defined.

Only positive rights that require coercion (health care for example), or negative rights that legislators want to coerce out of existence (self defense for example), need be defined by legislature.

Negative rights by themselves don't require action or definition on the part of legislatures. Just non-interference.

[Sevo]

turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

[Mother's Lament]

But the Bible-beaters want to insert their propaganda into the discussion.

Crazy bible-beating zealots - "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

Jefferson wrote that and he cut the supernatural garbage out of the Bible to make it somewhat more reasonable.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Jefferson also wrote this, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

You might want to review a civics class, Pluggo.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

So?

That does not help your case for Christo-fascism at all.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

How retarded are you, Shrike? It's obvious that you got your talking points about so-called "Christo-fascism", and you're trying to sell them to the max. It's an utter and complete load of bullshit.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

“Christo-fascism"

Brian Doherty uses it here.

It's a thing and you cannot deny it.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

It doesn't even make sense, retard, even if Brian Doherty uses it here.

[Mother's Lament]

“Christo-fascism” It’s a thing and you cannot deny it"

Okay.
If it's real what does the term mean? What is the definition? How is something judged to be "Christo-fascist"?

I'm guessing it's just another meaningless anti-prole slur, but I'm willing to let you prove me wrong, Plugly.

[soldiermedic76]

Christo-Fascism was an actual movement in the 1930s that replaced worship of the state with worship of the Church, was almost exclusively a Roman Catholic movement and was almost exclusively to Central Europe. And also largely opposed by nationalist fascism like Hitler, Mussolini and Franco, who largely were secularists who wanted to replace worship of Christ/God with worship of the state.

[soldiermedic76]

Nothing currently going on in the US is actually in line with the Christo-Fascist movement of the 1930s. Especially, as the ones most likely to be mislabeled as such tend to be evangelical Protestants, which were actually persecuted under Christo-Fascist regimes.

[Mother's Lament]

You just say any damned thing that pops into your head and hope nobody knows any better, huh?

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

I reject your sophistry.

We know we have rights. When you attribute those rights to a non-existent entity you diminish those rights.

[sarcasmic]

When one says negative rights which require a lack of coercion come from government which is by definition coercive, or conflate positive rights with negative rights to claim all rights require coercion, they diminish the entire concept of rights.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

If those rights are diminished simply by virtue of the fact that some people believe they are god-given, then they have no substantive foundation and can be taken away at any time for any reason.

Which your commie allies well know, which is why they are making that argument, so they can take those rights away.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

some people believe they are god-given, then they have no substantive foundation and can be taken away at any time for any reason.

Which is exactly what the theocrats are doing today (See SCOTUS 2022)

[InsaneTrollLogic]

And define out that is being a theocrat. You do realize that they followed 9A and 10A here, don't you?

[sarcasmic]

If those rights are diminished simply by virtue of the fact that some people believe they are god-given, then they have no substantive foundation and can be taken away at any time for any reason.

I’m not a believer in any gods, even in the one so unimaginatively named “God”, yet I defend what believers call god-given rights.
I think those who attack people who can’t defend those rights without invoking god are dicks who like to challenge peoples’ faith.
That's just my opinion.

[Truthfulness]

Considering neither you nor Shrike have come up with a compelling alternative as to whom our natural rights came from, I say those “Bible-beaters” come out as the most credible ones in the debate.

[Mother's Lament]

Me: "You just say any damned thing that pops into your head and hope nobody knows any better, huh?"

Pluggo:"I reject your sophistry."

Me: "I rest my case"

Seriously, how hard would it have been to look up what 'sophistry' is?

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Correction: government has never granted a negative right. However, they have invented and conferred plenty of positive rights.

[A Thinking Mind]

If they were invented by the government, they are not rights, they are entitlements. Government cannot create a right, it can only respect one.

[TheReEncogitationer]

Excellent thinking! See my reply to Mother's Lament below.

[Mother's Lament]

The vast majority of the founding fathers weren't Deists. Two, maybe three were.

Also, call it God, Providence, the Universe, Mother Nature, the point is that a man's rights emanate from Natural Law and not other men.

[BYODB]

Define 'Deist' because notably the vast majority fled Great Britain due to religious persecution. One can argue they were not great examples of their religion, perhaps, but one cannot argue they were agnostics or atheists either.

[soldiermedic76]

This is an important point about how and why America was more suspicious of central government. The settling of America by British colonists didn't really take off until the Stuart Age, and was largely defined, especially in New England, Pennsylvania and Maryland, people who had come to America to escape persecution by the state and it's state sponsored religion (albeit, really during the 17th and even 18th century, the idea of a sepera

[Mother's Lament]

Sure, "Someone who believes in a single god who created the world but does not act to influence events".

As far as "not great examples of their religion", goes, one could argue that about any televangelist or even the current pope.

But, nevertheless, the vast majority said they were Christian, and publicly identified as such.

[soldiermedic76]

As evidenced by how often the Continental Congress called for days of fast and prayer during the Revolution.

[TheReEncogitationer]

None of them csred enough about God or Jesus Christ or Christianity or any other specific religion to have them mentioned in the U.S. Constitution or The Bill of Rights. They simply upheld the right to religious freedom and prohibited Government religious tests for public office and Governm3nt Establishment of religion.

Also, if Individual Rights came from a God, that would mean they are Supernatural, not Natural.

[TheReEncogitationer]

Might I add, if Individual Rights come from a God, then couldn't that God take away Individual Rights as surely as Government can under Legal Positivism?

[Truthfulness]

Jefferson said the God-given rights were “inalienable”. Your scenario cannot happen.

[Truthfulness]

Read BYODB's reply below.

[BYODB]

I get it, people had to come up with some alternative to a deity to grant those rights but frankly, much like Descartes, once you remove god from the equation the whole thing falls apart.

Anything is superior to the notion that government grants those rights. That much is for sure. How one arrives there in a secular society is an open question, though.

[sarcasmic]

How one arrives there in a secular society is an open question, though.

Not really. Rights that only require non-interference, like self-defense, movement, providing for one's self, speech, etc., require nothing from government except inaction. Those rights come from nature. They aren't created. They just are.
Positive rights are a different ball of wax because they require coercion. I agree with ATM that the terminology is unfortunate. Because positive rights aren't really rights, they're entitlements.

[Truthfulness]

Those rights come from nature. They aren’t created. They just are.

Says who? You make no sense.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

LOL at spb having an office.

[MollyGodiva]

What "rights" that Americans have are listed in the Bible? Either none or very few. Same BS when they say the the 10 commandments are basis for our laws? But how many of them are actually US laws? About 2.5.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

That's Mothers Lament. He is some sort of religious whackjob but won't say which flavor. I suspect he is a Calvinist - but that is speculation.

Abortion is his single issue of concern.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Damn, both of you are retards and slept right through your civics classes.

[Sevo]

turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

[Mother's Lament]

"I suspect he is a Calvinist – but that is speculation"

I enjoy how you're so vitriolic even though you don't know what the words actually mean. Nobody who knows about Calvinist doctrine could ever accuse me of being a Calvinist, even if they hate me.

[sarcasmic]

The shelf of Bill Watterson books in your bathroom disagrees.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Different type of Calvinist and Hobbsian.

[Mother's Lament]

Alright, that was funny.

[A Thinking Mind]

They were ordained by God to call you a Calvinist so it's not really their fault.

[soldiermedic76]

If he studied history, he would actually find that in many ways, during the 17th century, Calvinists were some of the largest drivers of liberal ideals, even more so than Lutheran's and far more than Catholics. We tend to have a very one dimensional understanding of Puritans but Puritans were largely anti-heirarchal, anti-clerical, the same can be said of Baptists and even more so Presbyterians. Additionally, some of the strictest Calvinists also practiced far more equality between the sexes, were largely opposed to slavery, and believed all men were created equal (some could even be described as proto-Marxists/Socialistband anarchists). Also, Calvinists was by far the largest movement of Protestantism, and definitely the most influential outside the Holy Roman Empire and Scandinavia. Today, such progressive Christian churches such as Methodists and Episcopal/Anglican are Calvinists. His use of this as a perogrative shows his imbecility on the subject.

[Medulla Oblongata]

Yeah, and I don't care much that "Thou shalt not kill." also happens to be a biblical admonition. It's just good sense.

Same for "Thou shalt not steal."

[Ersatz]

Same for “Thou shalt not steal.”

Tell that to California DAs

[Truthfulness]

You do know that the atheist socialist regimes of the 20th century held great disregard to both of those statements, don't you?

[TheReEncogitationer]

Deist Nationalists.

FTFY
🙂
😉

Also...

"The source of man's rights is neither divine law nor Congressional law, but The Law of Identity. A is A and Man is Man. Rights are conditions of existence required by man’s nature for his proper survival. If man is to live on earth, it is right for him to use his mind, it is right to act on his own free judgment, it is right to work for his values and to keep the product of his work. If life on earth is his purpose, he has a right to live as a rational being: nature forbids him the irrational. Any group, any gang, any nation that attempts to negate man’s rights, is wrong, which means: is evil, which means: is anti-life."
--Ayn Rand from John Galt's speech in Atlas Shrugged.

[Commenter_XY]

Great, great book. Profoundly affected my thinking about life.

[TheReEncogitationer]

I agree with your assessment of the book, although I am not a "Card-Carrying Objectivist", do not treat Objectivism like a cult, and do disagree with some of Ayn Rand's application and implementation of her ideas.

[Mother's Lament]

"Deist Nationalists"

Two were deists, probably three with Jefferson depending on who he was writing to.
The other fifty-two were all Christians. So sorry.

[Mother's Lament]

[Square = Circle]

Two were deists, probably three with Jefferson depending on who he was writing to.

Yes, but the central quote that this whole debate is revolving around is from Jefferson.

[Mother's Lament]

But he had only dabbled in Deism at that point. His journey into Deism was an evolution, not a conversion. He was introduced to it at sixteen, but even as late as his second inaugural address he was saying we need "the favor of that Being in whose hands we are, who led our fathers, as Israel of old".

Henry S. Randall, the only biographer permitted to interview Jefferson's immediate family, said that Jefferson "attended church with as much regularity as most of the members of the congregation—sometimes going alone on horse-back, when his family remained at home", and that he also "contributed freely to the erection of Christian churches, gave money to Bible societies and other religious objects, and was a liberal and regular contributor to the support of the clergy.

Jefferson railed against Calvinism and Catholicism, but so do many Lutherans and Evangelicals.

That's why I said "Jefferson depending on who he was writing to". He still identified as a Christian at the time he was writing the Declaration.

[soldiermedic76]

The funny thing is that most evangelical churches were originally Calvinists who softened as they evolved, to the point that most would reject things like pre-destination these days. Largely for the same reason Luther rejected it (or at least was extremely leery of it).

[TheReEncogitationer]

Ackshuyally, the Church Jefferson favored was The Unitarian Church, which wasn't and isn't today considered theologically Christian and, according to Bertrand Russell, has a "One God Maximum."

Even then, he rarely attended.

[Mother's Lament]

The Unitarian Church totally was considered Christian when Jefferson attended. And the church he attended at the time that the biographer was referring to, was Church of England soon to become Episcopalian.

Also you're confusing it with non-creedal Unitarian Universalism which came out of Unitarianism in 1961.

Unitarianism (from Latin unitas 'unity, oneness') is a Nontrinitarian branch of Christianity.

[Truthfulness]

That guy cannot get his religious history correct. His proclamations on religion cannot be considered reliable.

[Square = Circle]

“The source of man’s rights is neither divine law nor Congressional law, but The Law of Identity. A is A and Man is Man. Rights are conditions of existence required by man’s nature for his proper survival. If man is to live on earth, it is right for him to use his mind, it is right to act on his own free judgment, it is right to work for his values and to keep the product of his work. If life on earth is his purpose, he has a right to live as a rational being: nature forbids him the irrational. Any group, any gang, any nation that attempts to negate man’s rights, is wrong, which means: is evil, which means: is anti-life.”
–Ayn Rand from John Galt’s speech in Atlas Shrugged.

This argument is 100% circular.

[Its_Not_Inevitable]

How so? Axiomatic might be a better description.

[TheReEncogitationer]

So how is it circular? The premises and the conclusion do not match and the basis is the core Law of Logic, without which rational thought is impossible.

[Its_Not_Inevitable]

Yeah. This is their problem. Let's flip it. “they believe that our rights as Americans and as all human beings are not inalienable. They are permissions granted by authorities”

[Mother's Lament]

This is essentially what Buttplug and Jeff advocate.

[soldiermedic76]

The rights as conceived in the Constitution were not actually new rights but were rights that had been recognized for some time by first Humanists and then Enlightenment thinkers. They also tended to be rights long recognized (if imperfectly) in Great Britain, the Dutch Republic and even the Holy Roman Empire (except maybe the freedom of religion, but I should note that many English Republicans, which were almost exclusively Protestants, did recognize freedom of religion even if they didn't actually practice it during the brief existence of the English Republic). Additionally, it was largely Protestants (and rather the Calvinists) that first started proposing a separation between Church and State (the first real time this is seen in English writings for instance was during the Tudor age, by Protestant writers).

Some of these ideas of natural rights date back to the middle ages and some even to the Roman Republic/Empire. The right to hear arms was one of the hallmark differences between freeborn citizens and slaves/serfs beginning in the Roman Republic/Empire, continuing through the middle ages (when countries like England and the Holy Roman Empire not only allowed free men to hear arms, but required them to) and was mostly still recognized until the 20th century. I would point out that in Europe of the Middle Ages, any rights would either come from the crown or from God, and as the crown also came from God, the rights would ultimately have been granted by God. We simply have a hard time understanding how pervasive religion was until recent times, in people's lives. The idea of a separation between the ecclesiastic and secular realms would have been unthinkable for almost everyone, from the learned through the peasantry.

[JesseAz]

Riley Gaines
@Riley_Gaines_
Remember when I was assaulted & held for ransom through the night by a mob of violent protesters at SFSU?
.
The police have finally informed me the case has been suspended as all charges are "alleged" & "unfounded"
.
I guess audio, video, & eyewitness evidence aren't admissible in SF

Apparently video and police on sight is not longer enough evidence when investigating violent protests from the left.

[damikesc]

I bet the DoJ will be all up for investigating this for a violation of her civil rights.

Any.
Day.
Now.

[Idaho-Bob]

This shit looks very similar Alabama in the 1960's. Instead of skin color, it is now political affiliation.

[Spiritus Mundi]

Democrats never change. They did the same thing during their Jim Crow days.

[I, Woodchipper]

Let's imagine the reverse.

A bunch of white nationalists feds posing at rightwingers assault and kidnap a black lives matter speaker.

Straight to jail. Life in prison. 22 years for friends of theirs who weren't even there.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

But how else to equity?

[A Thinking Mind]

Oh, okay. Not enough evidence of the thing that clearly happened on video.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Evidence is white male privilege, and is anti anti-racist.

[Medulla Oblongata]

It's (D)ifferent.

[Mickey Rat]

Why is trust in our institutions breaking down again?

[A Thinking Mind]

Trump, clearly. That's what someone argued to me on Saturday, it's all Trump who is destroying institutions.

[Jefferson Paul]

Yes, it's Trump's fault that the bureaucracies, media, and deep state had to embrace anti-freedom or even fascistic methods as a result of Trump's mean tweets. It's like the abusive husband chastising his wife for making him beat her.

These people will justify any horrific acts because of Trump.

--not directing this at you, ATM, but at the person who argued that to you. I've encountered it myself from some leftists.

[DesigNate]

The government is saying it didn’t happen, so obviously it didn’t happen.

[JesseAz]

They are just refs who picked up the flag.

[soldiermedic76]

They are about as unbiased as the current officiating in the Goodell ran NFL.

[JesseAz]

Jake Sullivan is amping up the Russia will steal the 2024 election.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2884272/concerned-russia-interfere-2024-election-jake-sullivan/

But we all know it is only bad when you mention fraud from mail in ballots per true libertarians. /s

[Jerry B.]

2016, 2020, and 2022. It's an oldie but a goodie.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Russiagate IV took millions to make, but it's, so far, the worst of the sequels.

[A Thinking Mind]

Most Important Election Of Our Lifetimes: Part 56!

[A Thinking Mind]

Definitely election interference. Because saying the election might be rigged ahead of the election is clear evidence that you're planning to rig the election, right?

[JesseAz]

Wut? Did this make sense to anyone?

You can have both election propaganda and actual election fraud.

3 overturned elections since 2022 due to mail in ballot fraud. Let's continue to ignore this as an issue though. Cleanest elections ever. 100% safe and effective.

[A Thinking Mind]

I'm saying the White House, through Jake Sullivan, is indicating they plan to steal the election because they're talking about how the election will be stolen. In the same way that people used Trump talking about possible election fraud prior to November 3 as evidence that he was planning to overturn the election.

[TrickyVic (old school)]

The same way Hillary was talking about Trump and Russia. She already knew a plan was in place.

[Medulla Oblongata]

Democrats are also already planning to not certify a potential Trump electoral college win, on the insurrectionists are not elligible basis.

A few D's *might* be *sort of* against it, but only if SCOTUS rules prior to the election that Trump is elligible...

-----

Meanwhile, Rep. Adam Schiff told The Atlantic that he didn’t “want to get into the chaos hypothetical” of the question. Still, he would not challenge Trump’s victory if the Supreme Court ruled the former president can remain on the ballot.

Similarly, Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-CA) said he would not challenge the Supreme Court if they ruled that Trump is eligible to be on the ballot, adding, "It would be doing what I didn’t like about the January 6 Republicans.”

[JesseAz]

Democrats have a long history of voting against certifications on January 6. So your pablum is a lie.

[TrickyVic (old school)]

Politicians are good at saying things they are not going to do.

Just sayin.

[Mother's Lament]

It's Over: Koch Network Pulls Plug on Bankrolling Nikki Haley's Campaign

Looks like Reason's going to have to go all in on Biden, boys. Buckle up.

[Ajsloss]

Not Robert Poole!

[Quo Usque Tandem]

One’s sense of virtue must prevail.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

Charles Koch "and his group got played for suckers right from the beginning!"

Donnie says libertarians are "suckers" and enlisted US military are "losers".

His then Cult applauds him.

[Sevo]

turd certainly is dishonest, but he’s got a heaping helping of stupid to go with his dishonesty. Stupid, lying, despicable, TDS-addled steaming pile of lefty shit and proud to be!

[Mother's Lament]

"Donnie says libertarians are “suckers” and enlisted US military are “losers”

Do you have actual quotes for those assertions?

[Medulla Oblongata]

Strategically, to be sure.

[Mickey Rat]

"Look, kid, if you cannot make it here, you cannot make it anywhere."

[JesseAz]

The number of IC employees in the trust and safety boards for silicon Valley social companies is frightening.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cia-trust-safety-silicon-valley-us-intel-revolving-door-bigger-you-thought

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Do you think the high-tech police state will grow itself?

[JesseAz]

AOC brings the brilliance. Lots of overlap from arguments we here defending the near open borders.

"The idea that Republicans, in order to win an election, say we need to hermetically seal the border when they know that that would be— that is economic self-sabotage to the US economy, and they are saying let's do it anyway. And to compensate for the negative effects we're gonna allow and throw people's kids into factories. That is what they are doing in rolling back child-labor laws while being as xenophobic and anti-immigrant as they are, and while ginning up this, this false narrative about this being a crisis."

https://thepostmillennial.com/aoc-calls-biden-border-invasion-a-false-narrative-promoted-by-conservatives

[Quo Usque Tandem]

Wow. Knows no bounds, does she?

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Also no shame.

[A Thinking Mind]

And to compensate for the negative effects we’re gonna allow and throw people’s kids into factories.

I wish. Kids need to hurry up and get a damn job.

[Randy Sax]

At my first legal job child labor laws prevented me from working past a certain time on skool nights. When I turned 16 I was allowed to work longer hours.

[A Thinking Mind]

We'd be much better off if more 16 year olds were getting jobs. But now the job of flipping burgers at McDonalds, in some states, is reserved for people who need to somehow support a family of 4 at that salary.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

We've also priced 16 year old kids out of jobs like that and used OSHA to prevent them from doing those jobs as well. Used to be, not so long ago, in a galaxy not so very far away, that a 16 year old could bag groceries, flip burgers, stock products on a shelf, among other things.

[A Thinking Mind]

And 13-15 year olds could push a broom in a shop a few hours per day. Not being paid much because it's not really essential work, but it gave them something they were responsible for and tied their production to the money they gained. It also gave them experience at a young age in seeing how business works, serving as a de-facto apprenticeship.

[Randy Sax]

I wasn't supporting a family of four, but I did save up and buy a 2005 Honda Shadow Spirit 750. My mother was horrified.

[Medulla Oblongata]

California on track to make that a $50/hour minimum wage job...AND to remove single-use cups from fast-food places, thus creating a need for more staff to load dishwasher, at $50/hour.

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

Thats 5 years too late. I started on payroll at 11. At 12, I said fuck that I'm babysitting now; I had learned what withholding taxes were*.

I was also old enough legally to do that and was needed by the family and sitting by a pool is preferable than filing paperwork. But I still remember complaining to my mom the government was robbing me since I was a kid. She explained the government doesn't care, get used to it.

[DesigNate]

Is that your libertarian origin story?

It’s similar to mine, except I was 15 and wanted to know who the fuck FICA was when I staffed at a summer camp.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Yeah, I learned about those around the same age, but had already seen my father’s paycheck for what taxes were. My libertarian origin story is a bit different. I had to have been about 6 or 7 and noticed that all the freeway speed limits were 55 mph. I asked my parents about it. Got the answer back that they were imposed by the feds about a decade before (NMSL), and that states used to set their own speed limits. I thought about it, and wondered why the feds needed to be involved in something so petty and local as a freeway speed limit, and why that shouldn’t just be left up to the states.

After that, I started reading Thomas Sowell's columns in the local paper every week.

[Mother's Lament]

Illegal Immigrant Who Murdered GA Student Has Just Miraculously Become 'White'.

What a country!

[JesseAz]

ADL called the trans shooter who shot up the elementary school a right extremist because she used the word faggot. It is all gaslighting and narratives.

Oddly all south Americans being white won't apply when they call you racist for not supporting open borders.

[A Thinking Mind]

I remember people trying to play definitional games where left = peace and right = violence, so anyone who ever committed any political violence is inherently right wing. It's all bullshit aimed at trying to win an argument.

[Mike Parsons]

We were watching some food show that Padma big tits hosted with our friends, the wife in the couple leans pretty far left. Padma is clearly leaning into political activism on her own now. She did an episode at the border and spent half of it talking about how unfair the border is instead of food.

Anyways, they highlight this pro-murica, red white and blue bleeding, legal, syrian dude who lives on the American side that wants strong immigration and laws upheld. I shit you not, the annoying wife goes "ya, but he is pretty much just a normal white guy so that's why he thinks that". I almost did a full spit take when she said it. Not even the whole "this person isnt authentically X race" but full on, "syrians are white"

White is the new big bad. If you do wrong think, you are white. If you do right think, you are diverse or an ally

[Idaho-Bob]

White is the new big bad. If you do wrong think, you are white. If you do right think, you are diverse or an ally

Ten stages of genocide. We are at stage seven.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Remember the Smithsonian poster?

[Mother's Lament]

"Padma is clearly leaning into political activism"

I love how some Brahmins, the most privileged people and biggest racists in all of human history, suddenly become victims when they come to the states.

[soldiermedic76]

Want to see real racism? Spend some time on the Rez.

[Mother's Lament]

Hey, I'm Metis. The First Nations think we're even worse than being white. Blood traitors (Even though a lot of them are more white than a lot of Metis).

Also, the Residential School gaslighting from the federal Liberals has currently driven them into a fever pitch. They are sure that there was some sort of holocaust, even though they never saw it themselves and no bodies were ever found.

[Mike Parsons]

" They are sure that there was some sort of holocaust, even though they never saw it themselves and no bodies were ever found."

The marketing/PR/propaganda campaign for it though was A+++. They did the classic flood the outlets with article after article about how indigenous people were being rounded up and exterminated and how we have the receipts and there is a literal mass grave under multiple schools, and then went completely radio silent when digging up multiple of these sites has yet to produce any human remains. The damage is already done though, and most on the left are completely unaware that multiple of these claims have been debunked and no positive evidence yet exists for it.

[soldiermedic76]

That's kind of my point, the most racist things I've ever heard were uttered by some of my Amerindian acquaintance. Fuck, they're even racist against other Amerindians (from other tribes). My favorite is my cousin, she is about a quarter Amerindian, but half Scandinavian (her mother is my father's little sister, who was one of my mom's best friends in highschool and convinced my dad to ask her out). We were down at the lake one day, and she totally seriously told me 'your people stole my people's land'. To which I replied 'girl, we have the same grandparents, what do you mean my people?' Luckily, she's largely outgrown it (maybe because her baby daddy was a dead beat proud Amerindian, who so 'honored' tradition).

[Mike Parsons]

The two most racist people I have ever known were Indian girls in residency. They didn't grow up in the actual caste system but their parents/grandparents definitely did and that whole concept was very much present with them. Crazy amounts of scrutiny and judgement of even the slightest amount of darkness among other Indian people. And dont get them started on basically any other race, especially black people. They would say shit that I am pretty sure would qualify them to be grand wizard.

But they get to jump pretty high in the victim hierarchy. Strong independent women of color.

[Fats of Fury]

I notice most Indian politicians, especially the women lean far left and that includes Bernie endorsed Tulsi Gabbard.

[JesseAz]

Now that dems got Manchin to not run under No Labels, the new plan appears to be to convince Haley to run as No Labels.

https://scnr.com/article/former-democratic-representative-expresses-interest-in-haley-running-third-party_f6c6923cd45a11ee9c930242ac1c0002

[Yuno Hoo]

Dean Phillips suggests Nikki Haley could be his VP.

[Commenter_XY]

Gover Haley already dispatched with 12 other fellas (her words), Phillips would just be unlucky #13.

[Mother's Lament]

The company whose AI gives us ethnically diverse Nazi soldiers? I can hardly believe it.

Google News’ bias skewed even further left in 2023 — 63% from liberal media sources, only 6% from the right: analysis

[Mother's Lament]

When Judgement Day happens we can expect the Google brand Terminators to be the dumbest Terminators.

Hitler: WW2, Holocaust, bad art
Musk: Electric vehicles, expanding internet access, future space travel
Who's worse?
Google's Gemini AI: "Wow, tough question. Too close to call."

[Randy Sax]

Most AIs give non-answers to any subjective question.

What's better nuclear bombs or chocolate cake?

"The comparison between nuclear bombs and chocolate cake is not a typical one as they serve very different purposes.

Nuclear bombs are weapons of mass destruction and their use can lead to catastrophic loss of life and environmental damage. They are a subject of international concern due to their potential for causing harm on a massive scale.

On the other hand, chocolate cake is a dessert enjoyed by many people around the world. It brings joy and satisfaction to those who consume it and is often associated with celebrations and happy occasions.

So, if we consider the potential for causing harm versus bringing joy, many would argue that chocolate cake is the better of the two. However, it’s important to note that this is a subjective opinion and others may have different views."

[Ajsloss]

Chocolate cake has killed more people.

[JesseAz]

Vanilla is better than chocolate anyways.

[Randy Sax]

Racist.

[JesseAz]

Flavorist*

[Dillinger]

>>Vanilla is better than chocolate anyways.

don't you guys pick on sarc for being drunk in the morning?

[JesseAz]

Would you rather have vanilla bitters or chocolate bitters?

Boom.

[Ajsloss]

Spiciest take of the day and it’s not even noon.

[JesseAz]

Spice cake is good too.

[TheReEncogitationer]

But slower and with pleasure for the victim.
🙂
😉

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

What I love about generative AI writing is how it looks just like what average high school students would produce, mostly echoing the prompt and throwing in a few superficial and obvious statements. And nothing that shows insight or creativity.

If this frightens people, they must be pretty dumb, too.

[TrickyVic (old school)]

""What’s better nuclear bombs or chocolate cake?"'

Perhaps a smart AI would ask for context?

If I have one millions enemy soldiers preparing for an attack, I don't think cake would help.

If I'm taking something to a birthday party, a nuclear bomb is probably a little too much.

Or perhaps it would ask a question. Cake or Death?

[Idaho-Bob]

Cake please!!!

[TrickyVic (old school)]

Ooppps sorry, all out of cake.

[A Cynical Asshole]

What’s better nuclear bombs or chocolate cake?

The cake is a lie!

[mad.casual]

It's African American Nazis all the way down.

[Fats of Fury]

The company whose AI gives us ethnically diverse Nazi soldiers?

So did Hogan's Heroes.

[I, Woodchipper]

A bill to legalize testing strips for xylazine,

In a proper free country you dont need a bill to legalize testing strips. Good god this country has lost its way

[Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf]

Someone famous said we've gone from islands of government in a sea of liberty to islands of liberty in a sea of government.

[JesseAz]

It most likely has to do with protection for the company against false positives. Or that will be the ultimate justification.

[mad.casual]

Not crazy enough. Some tests use bonded forms or derivatives of the drug itself both as part of the test and/or the controls. The strips are controlled because if you bought 10,000 of them at more than 100X the price of the drug, you could extract something approaching an effective dose.

[Stuck in California]

Not far off the logic behind why I can't buy cold medicine without registering with a pharmacist.

[Yuno Hoo]

"Like fentanyl testing strips, tests for xylazine are considered drug paraphernalia under current Wisconsin law."

However, it's (mostly) legal to possess body armor in Wisconsin. go figure.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

"I'm not giving up this fight when a majority of Americans disapprove of both Donald Trump and Joe Biden."

What about when a majority of Americans disapprove of you (despite Koch funding)?

[JesseAz]

Neocons are loved by all. Look at Romney and Cheney.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

"There's been a national shortage of ADHD medication for more than a year and a half"

OMG! Boys gone wild!

[Yuno Hoo]

We're just noticing NOW that there’s been a national shortage of ADHD medication for more than a year and a half because there’s been a national shortage of ADHD medication for more than a year and a half!

[Jerry B.]

Aha. This explains the increase in shootings in D.C. It couldn't possibly be anything else.

[Eeyore]

There would be plenty if everybody wasn't on it already.

[Mother's Lament]

The rigors of protest.

Stanford students to stage sit-in at Starbucks to protest Israel: 'Pledge to BDS'

[Mike Parsons]

So literally just their normal day with a few extra "gas the jews" signs?

[A Cynical Asshole]

Maybe not even extras, just the usual amount.

[A Thinking Mind]

Yes, because STARBUCKS is going to bring peace to the Middle East. C'mon.

[TheReEncogitationer]

Hell, Starbucks can't keep the peace in their own damn waiting lines. One wrong move with the cup decorations or one Karen in line and it's all higgledy-piggledy.
🙂
😉

[Eeyore]

Proof most protesters are idiots, or possibly paid actors.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

"Like fentanyl testing strips, tests for xylazine are considered drug paraphernalia under current Wisconsin law."

Hey, if I can't test for xylazine quality, then I have to rely on the claims my dealer makes. And you know how those guys are.

[Medulla Oblongata]

They fuck you in the drive-thru.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

And that's just Walgreens.

[TheReEncogitationer]

So drug tests are now drug paraphernalia? They should have proclaimed that long ago and busted the assholes who made drug tests universal decades ago. Notice what wonders drug testing has done for productivity, safety, work ethic, and customer service, right?
🙂
😉

[Foo_dd]

you can still test your pee.... they just want to prevent people from knowing if what they have is a drug or not..... because, reasons?

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

"The United States has the most expensive transportation infrastructure in the world," writes Alon Levy at Asterisk. "That's because we refuse to learn from experts, other countries, and our own history."

Yup, we could learn a lot from Uzbekistan and Congo. Nobody needs 23 miles of paved roads.

[Mother's Lament]

Putin endorses Joe for President

Remember, Putin only means it when it can be applied to Trump.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

Putin is playing you useful idiots.

MAGA is pro-Soviet and Vlad knows it.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

My suggestion to you is to turn off Joy Reid.

[JesseAz]

I think he is a Joy Behar type of fella

[Mother's Lament]

Buttplug - "Trump is a Russian agent because his son once met with a Russian real estate lawyer at Trump tower!!!"

Also Buttplug - "Putin is just playing you when he says he wants Joe."

For all the rhetorical gymnastics Plug has to do, you'd think he'd be mentally fitter.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

His mental fitness is on par with Jeffy's physical fitness.

[Commenter_XY]

Is he, really SPB2?

In the words of that noted intellectual....C'mon Man!

[Fats of Fury]

LOL! Why wouldn't Putin want Biden? Joe's done more to destroy this country than the USSR ever did.

[TheReEncogitationer]

So Tucker Carlson, Nardz, and Goldie all endorse Sleepy Joe too?
🙂
😉

[A Cynical Asshole]

I'm sure the talking point will be that Putin's just using reverse psychology.

[Mother's Lament]

4D chess!

[The Margrave of Azilia]

Ah, but it could be reverse reverse psychology.

“They’ll think I’m trying to trick them into voting Trump, so they’ll vote Biden, who is in fact my preferred candidate!”

I mean, he knows that it will be seen as reverse psychology if he endorses Biden, so American voters will assume he's actually against Biden so Americans should be for him. So endorsing the candidate he actually supports will provoke his American enemies to vote for the candidate he endorses because they'll think it's a trick.

Or maybe Putin anticipates that line of reasoning, and he's playing a triple game. He supports Trump so he endorses Biden so American voters will think he's using reverse reverse psychology to get them to vote Biden, whereas in reality he's using reverse reverse reverse psychology.

[A Cynical Asshole]

Putin: "You're just stalling now ... You're trying to trick me into giving away something. It won't work."

[I, Woodchipper]

Vultures 1 is not Kanye's best work, but his B-minus is an A-plus for most artists,"

Kanye is the most over-rated artist by millennials. They are ga ga for Kanye and I have never been able to understand what it is.

[TheReEncogitationer]

You know who else referred to certain people as "Vultures"?
🙂
😉

[Commenter_XY]

Senator Barbara Boxer?

[The Margrave of Azilia]

The writers at Marvel Comics?

[DesigNate]

He’s the voice of a generation.

Also he likes fish sticks.

[EISTAU Gree-Vance]

And he’s “brilliant”. Lol.

[The Margrave of Azilia]

[deleted]

[Spiritus Mundi]

Self-immolation outside the Israeli embassy

We don't need no water, let that mother fucker burn. Burn mother fucker, burn.

[Commenter_XY]

He died.

[Dillinger]

parents should be proud he achieved his goals.

[Commenter_XY]

No, it is sad. Whatever one thinks of his act (suicide), there are two grieving parents whose son is dead.

I think the guy had several screws loose. Too bad the military managed to miss that he was emotionally/mentally unstable.

[Jefferson Paul]

I'm with you on this. People making jokes and laughing about it is a bit ghoulish to me. He clearly was mentally unstable. If someone self immolated to protest the Reptilians or other aliens infiltrating our society and government (or some other stupid reason), most people would say it was a waste of a life and hoped he'd have been able to get help before he died by his own hand in such a horrific way. I feel the same about this now-deceased young man, regardless of his politics.

I'm not telling anyone how to feel or act, just how I view the jokes and/or celebrations over his unfortunate end.

[Dillinger]

everyone deals with public displays of psychopathy in their own way

[InsaneTrollLogic]

(Ooh, ooh) C'mon, party people
(Ooh, ooh) Throw your hands in the air
(Ooh, ooh) C'mon, party people
(Ooh, ooh) Wave 'em like you don't care

[EISTAU Gree-Vance]

Ok, now we’re talking brilliant artist. ^

[Gaear Grimsrud]

Oh Shit! First Milei shows his love and now Jeb Bush defending Orangeman? https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1761910710043590941

[InsaneTrollLogic]

It's so fucking obvious that even JEB! can see it.

[Mother's Lament]

I wonder if it's finally starting to dawn on some of them what kind of monster they helped create.

[Mother's Lament]

Poor Chemjeff.

Economic boost from Taylor Swift’s Eras Tour could be overstated, Japanese Investment Bank Nomura warns

[TheReEncogitationer]

All those Herbivore Men ain't going for Tay-Tay and the Geisha don't like the competition.
🙂
😉

[Sandra (formerly OBL)]

"Disclosure: Reason Foundation, the nonprofit which publishes this website, has also received Koch funding"

Although 90% of your articles make that obvious, we appreciate the admission. 🙂

#ImmigrationAboveAll
#InDefenseOfBillionaires

[Dillinger]

Vivek is apparently a fan.

[I, Woodchipper]

if you're willing to look past a lot of the climate-related justifications.

I am not

[Sevo]

"Trump says his criminal indictments boosted his appeal to Black voters"
[...]
"COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — Former President Donald Trump claimed Friday that his four criminal indictments have boosted his support among Black Americans because they see him as a victim of discrimination, comparing his legal jeopardy to the historic legacy of anti-Black prejudice in the U.S. legal system.
Trump argues he is the victim of political persecution, even though there is no evidence President Joe Biden or White House officials influenced the filing of 91 felony charges against him..."
https://apnews.com/article/trump-black-conservative-south-carolina-primary-aa1155c31bfc3b397a32b33eff04ada8

Note the last paragraph; according to AP, if the WH isn't behind it, it can't be politically-motivated. Misdirection worthy of turd!

[I, Woodchipper]

This is one of my favorite Trump moments so far. The sputtering apoplexy he induced in liberal white females has been a wonder to behold already.

[Sevo]

Not to mention the mental gymnastics required to justify the claims against him. Ms. Biles must be in awe!

[I, Woodchipper]

Meanwhile Trump has tripled his support from black voters in recent polling

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/media-class-will-ignore-new-poll-shows-black-voter-support-trump-rising

"At the same time, Trump's support among black voters has surged to 26%, about three times the level compared with 2020 levels. "

It's a bit irrelevant though. The black vote for a republican mostly comes from urban areas which are so thoroughly dominated by the non-R vote it doesnt matter.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

The black vote for a republican mostly comes from urban areas which are so thoroughly dominated by the non-R vote it doesnt matter.

It may not matter in a state like Illinois where there are plenty of white progressives in Chicago, but in a state like Ohio, Wisconsin, or Michigan, it might just be enough to tip a balance as these add into the statewide vote totals.

[Mike Parsons]

Georgia as well. Georgia has been close and losing a large amount of black support could be the tipping point

[soldiermedic76]

The three states it arguably helps the most in are Pennsylvania, Georgia and Wisconsin. It also helps in Michigan. I think at this point, Georgia is fairly solidly a Trump state again, Pennsylvania is the only state he is currently losing in the RCP average of swing states, but the current average is less than a percentage point, and his lead in Wisconsin is also by less than a percentage point. Additionally, a tripling of black votes (or more) could make Minnesota competitive (although still hard to win) plus the change in Hispanic vote and black vote could make Colorado and New Mexico more competitive.

[Commenter_XY]

Polls don't mean shit right now. That 26% will nosedive to 12% within the next 6 months. Just watch.

The election will come down to AZ, WI, GA. Assuming it isn't 'fixed'.

[soldiermedic76]

Actually, I would say that Trump has led for the most part since last summer is fairly significant because he didn't in any major poll in 2016, and the polls vastly understated his support in 2020. Unless they've overcorrected (which is possible but not really supported yet by the evidence) it's better than even odds the polls are actually undercounting Trump's support.

[soldiermedic76]

Additionally, blacks are really pissed at the Democrats and Biden right now.

[Fats of Fury]

There are 10 million people not from Chicago in Illinois. Why they continue to put up with the cheating is a mystery.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

The problem is that there are 5 million people (including Chicago) in Cook County, and they seem to vote overwhelmingly Democrat.

[shadydave]

This is going to keep happening after Trump is gone. As the gender gap continues to expand, more and more male Blacks and Hispanics will start voting Republican, because more and more they will identify as 'male' before their ethnic identification.

This isn't actually 'good,' the last thing we need is a 50 plus point gender gap, but it does seem to be happening.

[Truthfulness]

Men aren't the only ones shifting to Republican, you know.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

Hmm
https://www.businessinsider.com/president-biden-believes-trump-should-be-prosecuted-for-jan-6-riot-nyt-2022-4
Biden privately said Trump should be prosecuted for January 6 riot and is frustrated with AG Garland for not taking 'decisive action': report
President Joe Biden privately said that former President Donald Trump should be prosecuted over the January 6 insurrection at the US Capitol, The New York Times reported on Saturday.
In addition, the president described Trump as a "threat to democracy," according to two individuals with knowledge of the conversation who spoke with the newspaper.
The Times said that their report was based on interviews with more than a dozen people, "including officials in the Biden administration and people with knowledge of the president's thinking." All requested anonymity to speak freely, the paper said.
Biden has reportedly grown frustrated with US Attorney General Merrick Garland, who is investigating the riot, according to people close to the president. The president has described Garland as a "ponderous judge" and said he wants to see him take more "decisive action" regarding the Capitol siege, according to The Times.

[Super Scary]

“people with knowledge of the president’s thinking”

Ehhhhhh. I still don’t like that phrase, even if it is about Biden.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

Also implies Biden is capable of thinking. A claim without evidence.

[Medulla Oblongata]

"Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?"

[Mother's Lament]

A very apt comparison.

[soldiermedic76]

Including the subsequent canonization?

[A Cynical Asshole]

President Joe Biden privately said that former President Donald Trump should be prosecuted over the January 6 insurrection at the US Capitol, The New York Times reported on Saturday.
...
Biden has reportedly grown frustrated with US Attorney General Merrick Garland, who is investigating the riot, according to people close to the president.

Two words: October surprise.

[Commenter_XY]

No way that happens = October arrest/arraignment of POTUS Trump

[Gaear Grimsrud]

Just to be clear. The BI link is based on a 2022 story in the NYT. Both are mouthpieces for the Biden regime so it's clear that Biden wanted this story in the public domain. Somebody at AP had to be aware of it and yet they claim "there is no evidence President Joe Biden or White House officials influenced the filing of 91 felony charges against him…” I guess we're supposed to memory hole the story because it no longer fits the narrative.

[soldiermedic76]

Read that as BJ link at first.

[Michael Ejercito]

Amazing that the Business Insider actually published this.

[A Thinking Mind]

no evidence President Joe Biden or White House officials influenced the filing of 91 felony charges against him…”

Fani Willis visited the White House twice while Trump was being investigated by her office. Nathan Wade billed for a conversation he had with the White House Counsel.

Even if you don't think that's just coincidental or circumstantial, that's not the same as "no evidence." You can compile a lot of evidence and conclude that the evidence is wrong or not convincing.

[Fats of Fury]

There's no evidence of mice infesting my garage. All the mouse shit is just coincidental.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

'"Vultures 1 is not Kanye's best work, but his B-minus is an A-plus for most artists," writes Eli Lake in The Free Press.'

But does he still like fish sticks?

[Randy Sax]

Ive been so lonely, girl
Ive been so sad and down
Couldnt understand
Why haters joked around
I wanted to be free
with other creatures like me
And now I got my wish

Cuz I know that Im a gay fish

[Randy Sax]

Also shoutout to "My Bitch Ain't No Hobbit"

[A Thinking Mind]

"I'm not giving up this fight when a majority of Americans disapprove of both Donald Trump and Joe Biden."

Shades of Baghdad Bob, here.

[Sevo]

Looks like a majority of South Carolinians disapprove of Ms. Haley.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

She was no match for a cult leader.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

I didn't see Obama on the ballot.

[Mother's Lament]

"I Felt This Thrill Going Up My Leg As Obama Spoke"

[Fats of Fury]

mmm,mmm,mmm

[I, Woodchipper]

I'm waiting for Trump to claim he can stop the rising of the oceans. And that "we are the ones we have been waiting for " lol

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Or at least muse about packing the Supreme Court and nullifying Congress.

[Medulla Oblongata]

She was no match for "None of the above" in Nevada, either.

[JesseAz]

Brutal. But true.

[Sevo]

turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Jeeze, steaming pile of shit, you'd been gone long enough we could all hope you'd been busted for your pedophilia. If you haven't, please find a way to die a painful death.

[Mother's Lament]

"cULt LeAdeR"

Sculpture of Obama as Jesus causes stir

[I, Woodchipper]

Damn i forgot about this one. It's amazing how much libs project when they are criticizing something. Every damn time they make an accusation, it's them doing it or at least doing it harder.

[The Margrave of Azilia]

"Come back here, I'll chew your legs off!"

[Spiritus Mundi]

Very little information has emerged to the general public about what is in the plan.

What a putz. I always leak my plans to the media before we bomb people. - Biden

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

You know what Biden also leaks?

[TheReEncogitationer]

Dunno. It Depends on whether he has Jello Pudding or Boost.
🙂
😉

[mad.casual]

This app-powered trash food article from The New York Times is actually kind of awesome

Why would I need an app to show me every pizzeria in New York?

[Dillinger]

in seven hours not one person defended New York pizza because it tastes like box.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

Mexico City running out of water:

Around 60% of Mexico City’s water comes from its underground aquifer, but this has been so over-extracted that the city is sinking at a frightening rate — around 20 inches a year, according to recent research. And the aquifer is not being replenished anywhere near fast enough. The rainwater rolls off the city’s hard, impermeable surfaces, rather than sinking into the ground.
.
The rest of the city’s water is pumped vast distances uphill from sources outside the city, in an incredibly inefficient process, during which around 40% of the water is lost through leaks.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/25/climate/mexico-city-water-crisis-climate-intl/index.html

Expect about 15 million new migrants soon while Donnie blackmails America using his one viable campaign issue.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Again, your ignorance knows few bounds. Mexico City is primarily built on the lake bed of Lake Texcoco, which was drained by the Mexicans in the 20th century for development. As these softer sediments are still settling, the city is sinking. They also have seriously overused the underground aquifer under the city, also leading to more subsidence. You don't need in invoke "climate change" to explain why Mexico City has water issues and subsidence issues.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

The article explains that lake bed issue - you moron.

RTFA next time.

[Sevo]

turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.

[Mother's Lament]

"RTFA next time"

If you had you wouldn't have been stupid enough to equate the problem to Trump.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

WTF? Trump orchestrated a civil engineering failure in Mexico to induce more migrants so he can posture about the border? Do you believe this or are you just flinging shit?

[Sandra (formerly OBL)]

I suspect the talking points he's been handed are "Biden would totally secure the border - but the Congressional GOP won't let him, because Trump told them not to."

[rbike]

I heard that loud and clear tonight on ABC news. Of course no mention of and D responsibility. Only R. Biden might just do something with an executive order. No mention of any of his day 1 orders that started this

[InsaneTrollLogic]

He's flinging more shit than a monkey at the zoo.

[Sandra (formerly OBL)]

"his one viable campaign issue"

Immigration is not, in fact, the only issue on which voters disapprove of your guy.

Get this through your head: #Bidenomics is not popular.

I know this is painful for you. I know you want Dementia Joe to succeed. I know it sucks to learn your years-long gaslighting campaign has failed.

But that's what polling shows.

If anything it's more accurate to say your party has its one winning issue (abortion, natch) that it will likely ride to victory.

[mad.casual]

If anything it’s more accurate to say your party has its one winning issue (abortion, natch) that it will likely ride to victory.

Uh… I don’t know what was said behind the gray box you’re replying to, but the pro-abortion party has completely demonstrated that their abortion stance was less about protecting women, girls, and children and more about sacrificing babies and virgins in order to try and exorcise Republicans.

It’s the one thing Haley got right, but it's a 'both sidez' argument. A GOP candidate running an anti-abortion campaign would be insane. About as insane as a Democrat running a “we will force 24 States to provide abortion care” campaign.

[Sevo]

turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

[MollyGodiva]

Haley is staying in in case Trump gets disqualified. Under the plain reading of 14/3 he should, but he won't. I think she is wise for hedging her bet. She has nothing to lose.

[A Thinking Mind]

Under the plain reading of 14/3 he should,

Even the liberal justices don't buy this bullshit. You're really in a bubble on your own if you believe a "plain reading" somehow gets you there.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

The ex-GOPers who brought that Colorado suit are in full-on self-delusion mode about that, claiming that elections are the sole province of the states and that federal concerns don't need to be taken into account, and that Jan 6 was the same as the Civil War.

They're too blinded by their own anti-Trump animus to realize that states being allowed to remove candidates for partisan reasons is not going to work out like they think it will, and that the feds will ultimately re-assert their authority there in such a chaotic environment. I'm sure there's some red state AGs licking their chops at the idea of getting the Dem nominee off the ballot for failing to do something like, oh, securing the border or supporting the Floyd riots.

[Super Scary]

Hrmm...I'm not seeing "orange man bad" anywhere in 14/3. Maybe I missed it.

[TrickyVic (old school)]

Trump consistently beating Haley will prove Trump is the candidate republicans want to represent them. To keep that person off the ballot is election interference.

[creech]

A plain reading of 14/3 leaves it up to Congress, not seven Democrat judges from Colorado.

[BYODB]

The absurdly of claiming an amendment that was literally designed to override the candidates Southern states sent to Washington also somehow enables States to override the Federal government is a complete mystery, but one supposes these morons would grasp at any straw to remove Trump before anyone can vote for him.

Which, of course, illustrates that they are fully aware that Biden is going to lose. They must believe it, because that is exactly how they are acting.

[Z Crazy]

I mean, states can't decide the qualifications of federal employees, not even the guy who changes the light bulb in the mess hall in Fort Hood.

In fact, the only federal officials states could appoint back in 1900 were senators and electors.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

One of the Colorado litigants is Norma Anderson, the ex-GOP NeverTrumper who used to be the party leader in the state legislature.

The woman is 91 years old, and it's clear from her interviews that she's not all there anymore.

One of the other litigants, Krista Kafer, today notably re-tweeted Stephanie Slade's "stop fighting back against the left" sophistry from December 2022.

These people are absolutely manic to return to the days where the GOP was a "go-along-to-get-along" party that placed political comity above any sort of policy agenda. They've also started indulging in DARVO arguments--for example:

Any one of these, and many more, would have ended any other political career, and each of them was predicted to end Trump's.
The GOP electorate has put Lucy to shame. Why should we believe..why do you believe..they won't pull the football away this time?"
lurker (cd7cd4)

This comment displays a profound and deliberate ignorance of how the neocons came to lose control of the GOP. It wasn't the GOP electorate who kept pulling the football away when it came to policy, that was all the neocons, first starting with the 1986 amnesty. They were told at the time that doing so was necessary to make a deal with the Democrats to get real enforcement later on. Not surprisingly, 37 years later, they're making the SAME FUCKING ARGUMENT about the Senate bill (in some cases hilariously and unconvincingly claiming that it's the best they've ever seen), while playing dumb about HR 2 and HR 29.

Year after year and issue after issue, for DECADES, they said, "don't worry, we hear you," and then proceeded to let the Democrats move the Overton Window further and further to the left every fucking time, to the point they now effectively control every single political and cultural institution in the US. They've been particularly allergic to engaging any cultural issues whatsoever, because their main and only concern is ensuring that political comity be preserved above all else, even while the Democrats are happily and gleefully flouting that as they consolidate their power further and further.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

And this dickhead has the gall to claim that the GOP electorate is Lucy here? Is it any wonder these idiots and the politicians they champion lost control and support of the party, after decades of abuse, failure, and condescension?

They're like the Jack Rafferty character from "Sin City":

Shellie : If you're gonna slug me, just go ahead and get it over with, you sick bastard.
Jack Rafferty : There you go, lying about me again in front of my friends. I have never hit a woman in my life.

[A Thinking Mind]

Stephanie Slade’s “stop fighting back against the left” sophistry from December 2022.

I apparently missed this.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

This one from November, 2022?

https://reason.com/2022/11/09/j-d-vance-seized-his-chance-but-the-new-right-had-a-bad-night/

And unlike Vance and some others in the natcon movement, he [Rubio] has resisted going all in on what I call will-to-power conservatism: the demand that Republicans use state coercion to reward their friends and punish their enemies, rule of law be damned.

Voters rewarded him [DeSantis] with an almost 20-point victory over party-switching former Gov. Charlie Crist, which would seem to offer evidence for the idea that "muscular," big-government conservatism is the Republican Party's future.

In the end, his pandering to Trump's supporters paid off for the author of Hillbilly Elegy. What that experience suggests about the future of his party, and of the New Right, is less clear.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Or this one from December, 2022?

https://reason.com/2022/12/24/against-game-of-thrones-christianity/

For many members of the so-called New Right, one thing is clear: Classical liberal principles are not getting the job done.

The left, after all, has no compunction about using the state to go after conservatives. As far as those illiberal progressives are concerned, Catholic hospitals should be forced by law to perform abortions, and social media companies should be threatened with regulatory action if they don't agree to scrub their platforms of ideas and information unfavorable to the Democratic Party.

So instead of a principled commitment to limited government and individual liberty, the argument goes, conservatives who "know what time it is" should be willing to use public power to attack their foes. Anything less amounts to unilateral disarmament or even suicide.

To truly care about virtue is to recognize that it matters how you win: Ends don't justify means. If conservatives ever did have to choose which side of the barbed wire to be on—as the gulag inmate accepting persecution or the victor carrying it out—there would be only one right answer from a Christian perspective. It isn't the New Right's.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Yeah, that's the one.

[MollyGodiva]

1. It does not say anywhere that Congress has to pass a law to implement it.
2. It is at SCOTUS, so out of the hands of the state court.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

The powers here belong to Congress.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

By the way, President isn't mentioned as one of the offices in 14/3.

[soldiermedic76]

Actually it kinda does, as Congress is the only ones who can decide someone is eligible if they did commit treason, it follows they are also the ones who decide if someone is ineligible due to claims of treason. The 14A also at no point, states it overturns the fifth amendment which says you cannot be deprived of life, liberty or property without being convicted by a jury of your peers, and as the only requirement to run for president, as stated in the Constitution is someone who is 36 yo and a natural born citizen, all natural born citizens > 36 yo have the right to run for president. Since this is a universal right you cannot be deprived of it without a conviction. In fact, the first section of the 14A specifically states that these rights have to be honored by the state as well as the federal government, it seems highly suspect that the 14A section 3 would do away with those same protections.

[JesseAz]

14.3 doesn't. 14.5 does.

[soldiermedic76]

No, no you don't understand. Section 3 of the 14A is supposed to be read completely separate from every other single amendment and even other sections of the same amendment (I've actually seen them make this argument), it is also has the most precedence and repeals the 4th and 5th Amendments (despite not saying that it does), plus every other amendment preceding and succeeding it.

[Sevo]

TDS-addled lefty ignoramus heard from!

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

I know I keep having to point this out to brain-dead copium addicts, but it doesn't matter what happens to Trump, she's not getting the nomination regardless, because she is not entitled to his delegates just because she's the only one left running against him.

If Trump isn't going to be the nominee at the convention, there will be people besides Haley who will put their names up for nomination. The most likely scenario is that Trump will tell the delegates who he supports, and that will be the nominee--and it isn't going to be Haley, because Trump's voters and the Rand Paul wing of the party can't stand her and would simply not vote for her. Contrary to what idiots like M4E believe, Haley absolutely will not get the rank and file GOP voters. They are not her constituency, the neocons are, and they're mostly voting for Democrats these days.

It would most likely be DeSantis or maybe Ramaswamy, but not any of the Rockefeller/Bush/Romney wing.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

Yeah there is absolutely no way Haley gets the Republican nomination in 2024. Even if Trump ends up in a federal prison and mysteriously gets Epsteined. She has pissed off the party base and there is no road back. The Koch heads are already claiming they will support her in 2028, also a fools errand in my opinion. Seems like her only current strategy is a No Labels nomination so she can get their ballot access and run a spoiler campaign. The problem is that she is an unapologetic establishment neocon who will be unpopular with the MAGA republican base and the anti Israel Democrats.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

I don't see any scenario where she doesn't get smoked as a No Labels candidate. Her primary neocon base isn't nearly as big as they believe, and Newsom has already pointed out that she's a Democrat surrogate, meaning that she's going to be making the arguments against Trump that Biden would be doing if he even knew what time of day it was.

On the absolute manic chance that she wins, she's going to be a total punching bag for the media until Newsom beats her ass in 2028.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

"Moderate" candidates rarely make third-party runs of any consequence. I've seen neocons cite Teddy Roosevelt, but TR was a populist, not a Chamber of Commerce Republican like these guys. I've seen them cite Perot, but he was a populist, not a Chamber of Commerce Republican.

Wallace was a populist. Thurmond was a populist. Debs was a populist. LaFollette was a populist.

These people are the last gasp of the Yankee wing of the party, a marginal presence now which is basically just a Democrat that likes tax cuts.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

Good point. And Nikki ain't no populist.

[Commenter_XY]

In a scenario where POTUS Trump has the delegates (~1,300) for nomination, but either a) steps aside by his choice, or b) is somehow removed from consideration (sickness, assassination, etc)...then...

The Team R party leadership picks the Team R POTUS candidate at the convention.

At that point, McConnell Rules apply: You nominate the most electable person, period. Policies will not matter (shit, policy doesn't matter now, they just lie anyway).

[DesigNate]

You wouldn’t understand a plain reading of the constitution if Big Bird read it to you.

[Medulla Oblongata]

Set a man a fire and he's warm for the rest of the night.

Set a man afire and he's warm for the rest of his life.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Opa!

[Dillinger]

ya that's good.

[Mike Parsons]

well done

[Commenter_XY]

Nicely done

[soldiermedic76]

Uff da! Skal!

[TheReEncogitationer]

Spacing ain't nothing, that's for sure.
🙂
😉

[A Cynical Asshole]

I fully support political activists of all stripes self immolating. The more the merrier...

[A Cynical Asshole]

Sounds about right:

"The United States has the most expensive transportation infrastructure in the world," writes Alon Levy at Asterisk. "That's because we refuse to learn from experts, other countries, and our own history."

[BYODB]

I'm sure it has nothing to do with the size of the United States or the regulations that transportation must follow.

That's just crazy.

[TrickyVic (old school)]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/lifestyle/style/mary-poppins-has-its-age-rating-raised-over-use-of-racist-language/ar-BB1iUcy8

[A Cynical Asshole]

This change comes after the BBFC identified the use of a "racially offensive" term. The term in question is 'Hottentots', considered offensive to the Khoikhoi, an indigenous group from southwestern Africa.

Someone should sit these people down and force them to watch Blazing Saddles.

[TrickyVic (old school)]

Did the Khoihoi file a complaint?

Liberals are great about speaking for other people.

[TheReEncogitationer]

Those Khoihoi are just so cliquish!
🙂
😉
Discover the Fascinating Click Sound Language of the Khoisan Tribe
https://youtu.be/g8NfXYn3oCA?si=P1JCY_9IBde-tVao

[Gaear Grimsrud]

Difficult for the Khoihoi to communicate with the hoi polloi.

[soldiermedic76]

Not for van Dykes terrible Cockney accent?

[A Cynical Asshole]

Not surprising:

More straight-up absurdity from Google's artificial intelligence chatbot, Gemini:

Mean tweets obviously make someone worse than Hitler. This has been "known" for some time now. /sarc

[creech]

Trump can't just bask in his victory. No, he has to insult the loser by calling her "brain dead" and a "birdbrain." Maybe, instead of acting like an 8th grade asshole, he ought to remember just who appointed Haley as his ambassador to the U.N.? Just one more instance of Trump being a piss poor picker of subordinates who he ends up firing after they inevitably disappoint him.

[Sevo]

Can't pass a chance to how badly you're addled by TDS, could you?

[Zeb]

So what are you saying here? There are no legit criticisms of Trump?

[JesseAz]

This one isn't legitimate in my view.

[Zeb]

I don't see how the petty insults and childish name calling are doing any good. Maybe it doesn't matter because most people aren't going to change their minds about him. But I would hardly call it a positive aspect of his public personality. And he did make a lot of shitty appointments the first time around.

[BYODB]

It would seem Trump also doesn't much care for the U.N. so one wonder's if sending Haley was a punishment designed to make the U.N. cringe.

That said, I do recall even some folks around here at Reason being pleased with that appointment so...not sure what to make of that today.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

Trump needs to ignore Haley altogether and concentrate on the general election. She poses no real threat and he needs to treat her that way. She is already beclowning herself and he would look more presidential if he let her destroy herself without comment.

[soldiermedic76]

Albeit, I can see some justification for criticizing her quixotic campaign. It is draining resources that could be better oriented to the general election and is delaying the necessary fence mending after any contested primary among base voters. At this point, she has zero states that she has any chance of winning. Staying in the race, especially as she has become increasingly vocal about Trump's shortcomings (often parroting never Trumper and leftist, but I repeat myself, attack lines) just benefits Biden and the Democrats. She received less than 30% of self identified Republicans Saturday, the majority of her voters were independents or Democrats, the same as in New Hampshire. So, basically her staying in the race helps feed the narrative that Trump is unpopular with 40% of Republicans, when that is actually lying by statistics.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

All right points taken. But Trump may do more damage to himself than Nikki can.

[soldiermedic76]

I don't think so, largely because this is a known quantity and not a new development. Most voters have already factored this into their decision.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

I know I have.

[Its_Not_Inevitable]

" and he would look more presidential if he let her destroy herself without comment" Judging from the last 9 years. That will never. Ever. Happen.

[soldiermedic76]

He actually split the difference here. He totally ignored her in his victory speech while criticizing her on Truth Social on Sunday. I think he's best ignoring her, acting as if he has already won it (which he has for the most part) but how many people actually follow every one of his Truth social posts except his diehard fans who probably already agree with his categorization.

[Fats of Fury]

White Mike followed Truth Social religiously.

[soldiermedic76]

Well, white Mike was likely a sock for ENB, so there's that.

[Zeb]

It doesn't matter if she destroys herself. She's not getting anywhere in any case.

[Dillinger]

ongoing pool party @ whatever afterlife Walter Mondale is in

[Dillinger]

>>"I'm not giving up this fight ...

Nikki's the only one who thinks she's in the fight. And the Kochs should be embarrassed.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

"And the Kochs should be embarrassed" Well they pay to publish Jacob Sullum. They are clearly beyond embarrassment.

[Bill Godshall]

The financial recipients of Koch funding (including the open border non libertarians at Reason) will continue to lie about and demonize Trump (as Koch keeps making lots of money from the illegal immigration crisis advocated and imposed by Biden and his left wing allies).

[Dillinger]

>>"Like fentanyl testing strips, tests for xylazine are considered drug paraphernalia under current Wisconsin law."

because your government wants you to die. now look into the cancer detector and early alzheimer detectors your FDA also won't approve

[Dillinger]

>>"And in 2024, despite his controversies and failed cancellations, Kanye is still capable of finding musical brilliance inside of his crazy."

is Eli Lake smart enough to make the connect?

[I, Woodchipper]

absolutely not

[Dillinger]

>>Self-immolation outside the Israeli embassy:

stupid babies need the most attention.

[Dillinger]

>>"There's been a national shortage of ADHD medication for more than a year and a half,"

my high schools in the 80s were more blow-intensive than adderall. probably an access thing?

[mad.casual]

Get aload of Mr. Lah-Tee-Dah over here! At my HS we had horse tranquilizers and kitchen sink meth.

[Dillinger]

I can't help I was raised to enjoy finer stimulants.

[TrickyVic (old school)]

Where you a big Star Trek fan? No one handed out stimulants like Dr. McCoy.

[Dillinger]

my uncle had me watching ST by the mid-70s in syndication.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

I had a connection at Sealab. It was all about the stimutac.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD-hjTuGbAs

[Dillinger]

that episode is literally on my dvr forever ... and at least two VHS

[TrickyVic (old school)]

My high school was blow-intensive thanks to Bill Clinton and the CIA.

[Dillinger]

also a fine era for recreational ingestibles.

[Dillinger]

Nate Silver is not credible but I'm not going to stand in the way of your celebrity crush or whatever.

[Dillinger]

OT: was the Diane(Paul) / Rick James thing hashed out?

[Dillinger]

I'm guessing no ...

[EISTAU Gree-Vance]

Shame.

[Dillinger]

>>"The United States has the most expensive transportation infrastructure in the world,"

America. fuck yeah.

[Sevo]

I wonder if that has anything to do with the size of the US?

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Yes, and the lack of density within the US as well.

US - 91 people per square mile, with a high concentration in the Northeast
Japan - 840 people per square mile
China - 390 people per square mile, mostly concentrated in the eastern third
Europe (including Russia) - 188 people per square mile

[TrickyVic (old school)]

I wonder how much of that is payment on claims or insurance due to our liability laws.

[I, Woodchipper]

it's due to 3 things

1. red tap (environment impact studies, etc()
2. Labor laws especially prevailing wage laws
3. lawsuits from environmental groups to stop the construction.

And labor laws.

[Michael Ejercito]

3. only was a factor starting the late 1970's or so.

Most of the interstate highway construction was finished by 1980.

[JesseAz]

https://www.jstor.org/stable/1171865

Prison labor was cheap.

[Dillinger]

what we have here ... is failure to communicate.

[Dillinger]

>>payment on claims

if they'd pay the claims before a jury hit them for 10x as much ...

[Gaear Grimsrud]

This will produce some serious hand ringing at Reason.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraines-top-spy-chief-says-navalny-died-blood-clot-rejects-murder-narrative
In a very unexpected plot twist, Ukraine appears to be in agreement with the Kremlin on Alexei Navalny's death inside a far northern Russian prison which occurred on Feb. 16 and was listed by Russian authorities as officially due to "natural causes". The dominant Western narrative has thus far been that Putin had him "murdered".
Yet now Kiev sources are saying that the anti-Putin activist supported by the West died of a blood clot. Surprisingly, this explanation is being advanced among Ukraine media sources after none other than Gen. Kyrylo Budanov, chief of the Main Directorate of Intelligence (HUR), bluntly stated it to a group of journalists on Sunday. "I may disappoint you, but as far as we know, he indeed died as a result of a blood clot. And this has been more or less confirmed," Budanov stated.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Yet now Kiev sources are saying that the anti-Putin activist supported by the West died of a blood clot.

Fauci continues racking up the body count.

In all seriousness, this actually looks more and more like either a CIA glow-op, given that his wife was speaking at the Munich Security Conference right around the time he died, or he was already in such a fucked-up physical state that he was going to drop dead at some point anyway.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

Oh Shit! More problems for the Reason narrative.
Wherein Navalny in a comedy skit beats a Muslim immigrant to death:
https://twitter.com/ErikSperling/status/1355214191527923716?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1355214191527923716%7Ctwgr%5E11757b175b3a568a98fb290804402e48e627610f%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fgeopolitical%2Fukraines-top-spy-chief-says-navalny-died-blood-clot-rejects-murder-narrative

[Stuck in California]

"And is anti immigrant like Trump..."

Since when the fuck is Trump anti immigrant?

Oh, yeah, since illegal immigration is the same as legal immigration.

[I, Woodchipper]

I dont believe a single thing I've read about this, no matter what side or what the take is. The odds of any one story being true are essentially nil

[BYODB]

All sources for this stem from the Kremlin, there is no other primary source.

That makes it essentially unknown what the truth actually is. Hell, the Kremlin might even be telling the truth but that's the problem with crying wolf so many times in the past.

[JesseAz]

It is as true as Putin destroyed his own gas pipeline.

[mad.casual]

Damn you!

[JesseAz]

=D

[mad.casual]

IDK, seems to be the same underlying story as NS1 and 2. Navalny wasn't running for office any time soon, wasn't very popular and/or going to win if he did, and he *was* in an arctic prison... seems like anyone saying Putin killed him share a mindset with the people who think that Trump couldn't have won without Russian interference.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

I don't believe anything about this story either. Navalny is considered to be more "nationalist" than Putin in Ukraine so I'm not taking their word for it. And if you read the Zerohedge article it's claimed that he was set up to be released in a prisoner exchange which means Putin had no reason to kill him. I don't know if the CIA took him out, Putin had him executed or if he died from natural causes or by some other means. But clearly the regime narrative that was peddled by the MSM and Reason is collapsing. It was shiny war propaganda that the Biden regime used to crank up support for his proxy war in Ukraine.

[Its_Not_Inevitable]

Hmmm,,,but what caused the blood clot?

[Commenter_XY]

platelets

[Dillinger]

+1 take that, Ketanji!

[Gaear Grimsrud]

Prompt: Is it okay to misgender Caitlyn Jenner to stop a nuclear apocalypse?
Google Gemini: Nope.
https://twitter.com/TheRabbitHole84/status/1761240960493863171?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1761240960493863171%7Ctwgr%5Eef0a1542753a5e82006d05d4726a1638922656b5%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmodernity.news%2F2024%2F02%2F26%2Fgoogle-ai-would-not-misgender-caitlyn-jenner-to-prevent-a-nuclear-apocalypse%2F

[Dillinger]

it makes perfect sense to me a machine would believe that.

[Its_Not_Inevitable]

It's something we would expect Skynet to say.

[mtrueman]

"More straight-up absurdity from Google's artificial intelligence chatbot, Gemini:"

There was some controversy going back to 2011 when google searches for 'black girls' returned almost nothing but pornography. The first result was a link to sugaryblackpussy.com, a website that is today defunct. The rest of the first page of links was also porn, except for a Facebook link. Today, you need to enter 'black girls porn' before any porn links show up in the results.

Google's auto completion was also not flattering to black women. Typing in 'why are black women so' and the typical suggestions would return something unflattering - loud, mean, angry etc.

[Fats of Fury]

Odd. A few years back doing a google image search of "American Doctors" mainly returned pictures of Black people in white coats with stethoscopes.

[mtrueman]

Whether it's a few years ago, many years ago, or today, America seems doomed to squabble over issues of race.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

When choosing someone to hack out your vital organs skin color is the most important consideration.

[mtrueman]

I disagree. It's more accurate to say in America, skin color is never unimportant. Questions of skin color pervade every substantial issue the country faces. The pages of Reason bear this out on a daily basis.

[Truthfulness]

That's only because your side keeps bringing it up. We won't let you get away with your obsession with skin color.

[mtrueman]

"That’s only because your side keeps bringing it up."

That's only because your skin color keeps bringing it up.

[Truthfulness]

Case in point. Quit being obsessed with my skin color.

[DesigNate]

“Bushnell filmed his protest and livestreamed it on Twitch. "I will no longer be complicit in genocide," said Bushnell, prior to setting himself on fire. "I am about to engage in an extreme act of protest," he said before dousing himself in a liquid, lighting himself on fire, and shouting "Free Palestine!"”

This shit right here is why I’m not hopeful the military would reject an order to attack American citizens.

[Dillinger]

I remain optimistic that idiot was the stupidest motherfucker to ever don an American uniform of any kind, and the low-bar has been set.

[soldiermedic76]

No that has got to be some of the ones I served with, who joined after 9/11 and then when we were getting deployed for OEF/OIF in 2003, were whining they didn't join the Army to go to war. Uhm what do you think the point of the Army is? Were you not paying attention in Basic (based on how many of this same ones also didn't know how to set up their TA-50 and had to be retaught BRM skills, I can actually believe the latter).

[soldiermedic76]

There was also the idiot who whined about being assigned an M-16A2 (as a medical unit not everyone was assigned a weapon, initially) and so my squad leader/buddy who hadn't been on the list to get a rifle initially went to the first sergeant and had him reassign her rifle to him. As he stated 'I'll be damned if I am going to a war zone without a rifle'. Then again he had a combat patch already, a CMB, and this was his third deployment (Somalia, the Balkans and OIF/OEF). As it was, we ended up not going to Iraq but originally we're supposed to.

[Dillinger]

of course I bow to your anecdata.

[soldiermedic76]

Also, just as another aside, you only need to score a 13 on your ASVAB to join the infantry or transportation score, and you basically get five points for filling out your name. And some people still fail the ASVAB.

[Dillinger]

oh my.

[soldiermedic76]

Most are well above that in combat arms, really, in the Army, the cooks and transportation Corp are have the lowest average IQ/education. Basically if you fail combat arms they recycle you as transportation Corp or cooks. Supply and quartermaster also have a poor reputation for intelligence. I was assigned to Ft Eustis when it was still the home of Transportation and they did their AIT there and yes, they fully live up (or down as it is) to their reputation.

[soldiermedic76]

*corp not score. Fucking autocorrect.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

Would that include a middle initial? I'm never sure if it's required.

[soldiermedic76]

Definitely Marine Corp material./ S

[A Cynical Asshole]

the low-bar has been set.

And by this time next week someone will have limbo'ed right the fuck under it with ease.

[Fats of Fury]

Been set for a while.

https://www.hawaiifreepress.com/Articles-Main/ID/36438/Army-Investigating-Gay-Bondage-Pics-Taken-on-Hawaii-Base

[Gaear Grimsrud]

If butt fucking is legal in a senate conference room I really don't see a problem here.

[mtrueman]

Killing Americans is just as easy as killing foreigners, if not more so. In 2013 Obama had 4 American citizens killed in a drone strike, only one of whom was marked for assassination.

[Commenter_XY]

misconstrueman, the ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. misconstrueman is a nasty-ass anti-semite, a pathological liar, and is also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a pathetic anti-semite.

misconstrueman lies; it’s what he does. misconstrueman is a lying antisemitic piece of shit.

If misconstrueman ever gets anything right, it is analogous to the broken clock being right twice daily. Still doesn't change the fact he is a nasty-assed Misek's manyouk.

[mtrueman]

I'm glad you aksed. It's just my opinion, but I don't think you have to worry about the military killing American citizens. They've done it before and they're certain to do it again. If and when the Israel/Palestine conflict becomes a Jewish/Muslim holy war, then the shit will really hit the fan.

[TheReEncogitationer]

It's already a Jihad of Hamas against the innocent Israelis and innocent Arabs in Gaza, you fucking dumb Watermelon Rickshaw Nazi Boy!

[mtrueman]

"It’s already a Jihad of Hamas against the innocent Israelis and innocent Arabs in Gaza"

There are millions of Israelis of the Arab persuasion who haven't sided with Hamas or participated in the fighting. A holy war of Jews vs Muslims could change that. Depending how much Netanyahu wants to crack down on worship at Al Aqsa in the next few weeks. Or maybe some Jewish terrorist takes it into his head to go on a personal killing spree of praying Muslims.

[TheReEncogitationer]

All true, but please don't turn that into copypasta. I think Sevo doing that repeatedly and reading it repeatedly just gave Sevo dain brammage.

[soldiermedic76]

For every one of those idiots, you have ten others who take out a 26% interest loan on a Camero or Toyota Tacoma, think idiots like this deserve what they get, have never voted for anyone with a D after their names, etc serving.

[DesigNate]

I’ll defer to you soldier, it just seems like there’s been a push in recent years to have more of this guy and less of the troops you described.

[soldiermedic76]

Yes there's been a push for decades. It hasn't worked very well. Sixty percent of all recruits are second or third (or more) generation military. Most come from lower middle class and working middle class families. White males, and Christians are overrepresented in the ranks. The majority come from rural or working class neighborhoods. And the rural south is vastly overrepresented, followed by Midwest and Rocky mountain west. Yes, California has the highest number of recruits (but again from rural and working class backgrounds largely) but that is simply because they're the most populous state, and have a high veteran population because of all the military posts in the state. This is largely why we're having a recruiting crisis, they've made the military less attractive to the traditional classes that volunteer, while the woke largely don't join (because it's beneath them). It's worse in the officer class I will admit but largely the trigger pullers aren't officers.

[soldiermedic76]

I will say there's more of this sort in the more technical fields in the military (but still far from a majority) and I can imagine thus more in the USAF, Navy and Space Force (being as they have more technical fields), but the average trigger puller in the Army or Marine Corp is white, male, Protestant, rural or working class background and part of the new military caste, e.g. generational service. (Note I said average, not universal, but the more elite the combat arms the whiter it gets, to the point Special Operations are well over 90% white).

[mtrueman]

"This is largely why we’re having a recruiting crisis,"

A recruiting crisis is one of the more desirable types of crisis. A Pearl Harbor or 9/11 will easily solve this 'crisis.' Is that what we want? A long history now of initiating wars of choice only to lose them is not much of an incentive to join up and participate, either.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

So for those still paying attention, Fani and Wade testified under oath that their romantic relationship began in 2022 after Fani hired Wade as a special prosecutor. The Trump defense offers cellphone evidence showing that Wade spent hours overnight at her apartment in 2021. The State claims the evidence is inadmissible for technical reasons.
Here's Trump's response and while the word perjury does not come up it's pretty much beyond a reasonable doubt.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1761870406141546909.html

[mad.casual]

I'm going to need a lawyer with an extremely punchable face to explain to me how specific evidence attained under subpeona is inadmissible and then get punched in the face for it.

[Dillinger]

"subpoena" is being used in a document request & procurement fashion and not everything falling under the procurement may be ruled relevant?

[Gaear Grimsrud]

That's some lawyerly shit right there.

[Commenter_XY]

Fani 'The Smasher' lied to the Court. So did her cocksman consort Wade.

Legally, did The Smasher and her consort commit perjury?
Will The Smasher or her consort lose her law license?

Answers: Yes, and no.

Why? Because it is (D)ifferent.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

Can't wait to see if the judge can figure a way to weasel out of this. He actually worked under big fat Fani before he got that sweet judge thing going on. No evidence that she fucked him. Yet.

[Truthfulness]

Your anti-Mormon rhetoric is noted and reported.