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Republican Party

Ron DeSantis Could Have Run on a Message of Freedom

His political makeover into a Trumpy cultural warrior undermined what could have been a compelling campaign about the value of freedom.

Eric Boehm | 1.21.2024 7:45 AM

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During his one-on-one debate with California Gov. Gavin Newsom in December, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis offered what could have been a slogan for his general election campaign—a campaign that, with DeSantis's withdrawal from the race this afternoon, we now know won't happen.

"This country must choose freedom over failure," DeSantis said.

That was just weeks after DeSantis had been hit with a First Amendment lawsuit for ordering Florida's public universities to deactivate pro-Palestine student groups. And it came on the heels of DeSantis' attacks on the free expression rights of drag queens; his attempts to inject the state into the private decisions of parents, kids, and their doctors; and his attempt to make it easier for public officials to sue journalists over unfavorable press coverage.

Freedom, huh?

This was the contradiction at the heart of DeSantis's campaign, which ended with a whimper on Sunday afternoon. He was a candidate who could tout the benefits of giving parents greater access to school choice and then talk proudly about how his state government has seized greater control over school curriculums—sometimes with hardly a breath in between. He'd brag about how so many Americans were moving to Florida because of its freedoms, then declare that the federal government should do more to stop people who are moving to America for the same reason.

Through it all, it's been impossible to escape the feeling that DeSantis' notion of freedom extended only as far as the preferences of his political tribe.

DeSantis could have been something different. Indeed, he once was a quite different politician. As a backbench congressman during the Obama years, DeSantis was part of the so-called "tea party" movement that pushed for smaller government, less spending, and, yes, more freedom. In his first political book, Dreams From Our Founding Fathers, DeSantis argued for the merits of constitutionally limited government. During his three terms in Congress, DeSantis backed plans to balance the budget and reform entitlement programs, and he spoke of the need to restrain Washington's "put it on the credit card mentality." As governor of Florida, he was relatively restrained in imposing COVID controls—and stood by that approach when large swaths of the media denounced him for it.

But as governor, DeSantis also earned a reputation for tax-funded political stunts and for expanding government with little regard for civil liberties.

Remnants of the earlier DeSantis were still evident during his governorship and his failed bid for the presidency. The two halves of DeSantis' personality sat awkwardly alongside one another, and that's surely part of the reason why he struggled to connect with voters. His message of freedom was fundamentally incongruous with much of what he'd bragged about accomplishing in office.

Perhaps a more skilled politician could have threaded that needle, but DeSantis struggled to convey a forward-looking vision for the country that moved beyond the contradictions of his gubernatorial record. In National Review last week, Dan McLaughlin offered a thorough pre-postmortem that features eight mistakes DeSantis made over the past year. The whole list is worth your time to read, even if some of the items probably didn't matter much to anyone outside of political media. (How many voters in the real world remember DeSantis' glitchy "campaign launch" on Twitter?)

The first thing on McLaughlin's list is certainly right: "DeSantis failed to heed Scott Walker's public advice from his own experience: Talk about what you're going to do, not just about what you've done."

Walker had been the DeSantis of the 2016 presidential campaign: a conservative gubernatorial wunderkind who had risen to national prominence by aggressively taking on Wisconsin's public sector unions. He was expected to be a formidable candidate in the wide-open GOP primary in 2016, but he ended up being the first of the major contenders to call it quits once the Trump train got rolling.

Walker had a great story to tell about what he'd done as governor, but that was pretty much all he brought to the table in 2016. Ditto for DeSantis, who talks a lot about how great Florida is and claims credit (probably too much of it) for that greatness—but has never offered much in the way of a vision for the country as whole.

What was DeSantis' signature policy proposal? I mean a concrete thing, not something vague like "we win, they lose"—the words scrawled across the top of the "Declaration of Economic Independence," the closest thing to a policy platform DeSantis offered. It made a bunch of vague promises about reducing spending, limiting immigration, and kneecapping the "elites" (a funny attack coming from an Ivy League grad), but it mostly discussed, yep, what DeSantis had done in Florida.

In addition to failing to learn the lesson of Walker's loss, you might also say that DeSantis learned the wrong lesson from Trump's 2016 win. Yes, Trump made a mockery of the long-held notion that Republican primary voters cared about policy specifics, but he did have one policy proposal that was crystal clear and iconic: "Build the Wall."

What's DeSantis' answer to that? His abstract attacks on wokeness didn't have the same ring. (Then again, few politicians have Trump's skill at branding, so everyone else is starting at a disadvantage here.)

The older version of DeSantis might have offered an actual vision for the future: one that revived a small-government Republicanism as a necessary contrast to Trumpism. All of the strongest arguments for DeSantis as an alternative to Trump lined up along that axis. He could contrast his approach to COVID, centered around personal responsibility, with the lockdowns that Trump bears responsibility for initiating. He could contrast his responsible budgeting with Trump's runaway borrowing. His apparently squeaky-clean personal history with Trump's pile of legal and personal baggage.

In short, rather than trying to out-flank Trump with the too-online fringe of the GOP, DeSantis could have courted the much larger segment of Republicans who were disgruntled by the government's handling of the pandemic, unsettled by inflation (which was triggered in part by overspending), and unsure about Trump's ability to overcome all that baggage.

That would have required a willingness to target Trump's faults and failures directly—something DeSantis often seemed unwilling to do, lest he alienate Trump's legions of fans. Probably the best example of that failure occurred shortly after Trump was indicted (for the first time) in March 2023. In response, DeSantis defended the former president and denounced the "weaponization of the legal system to advance a political agenda." If you're inclined to give DeSantis the benefit of the doubt on that one—that first indictment did seem politically motivated—bear in mind that he kept saying the same thing when more serious charges came down." When Trump was indicted for his role in allegedly trying to overturn Georgia's 2020 election results, DeSantis called it a "criminalization of politics."

Later, DeSantis would bemoan how the indictments seemed to boost Trump's standing with Republican voters—as if his own words hadn't signaled to Republicans that they should continue to stand by their man.

Taking a more aggressive stance toward Trump might have opened a door for DeSantis. After all, Trump didn't win the Republican nomination in 2016 by bowing to the party's semi-incumbent elites, and Republican primary voters have for years been more willing to reward recklessness than timidity. And if you're starting from the premise that the GOP belongs to Trump, why bother running in the first place?

Would any of that have mattered? Maybe not. Probably not. Trump, with his quasi-incumbent status and his cult of personality, was always the favorite in this primary. DeSantis' best chance to win may well have always rested on Trump suffering a debilitating health or legal setback that never arrived. That's more or less the conclusion that McLaughlin reaches too: that DeSantis ultimately "set himself an impossible task." (Not spending a reported $1.6 million on private jets might have helped too.)

But winning isn't everything in politics. Just ask Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bob Dole, John McCain, and Mitt Romney: They all lost at least one Republican presidential primary before coming back to win a later nomination for president. DeSantis might very well get a second chance to reach for the brass ring. He's just 45 years old, and he's got a few years left as Florida's governor—hardly a bad place to be if you want to stay in the national political limelight.

He should spend those years thinking about what sort of candidate his party and country will need in 2028. By then, Trump will surely, finally, be out of the picture, but there will inevitably be those who try to duplicate his style—something we've already seen previewed in this cycle, thanks to Vivek Ramaswamy.

DeSantis has already failed at being that guy. Next time around, he should focus more on that bumper sticker slogan that he'd previewed in the debate against Newsom. "Freedom" didn't force DeSantis to suck up to Trump (or the nastier, racist elements of the right wing) and didn't demand that he engage in a lot of blustery attacks on constitutional rights in Florida. Quite the opposite: That principle should have reminded him that no leader is above the law, and it should have stayed his hand when he felt an urge to use the state's power to control individual's choices.

Republicans might have chosen freedom over failure, if only there had been a candidate in the race who personified that choice.

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  1. Minadin   1 year ago

    He's a good candidate overall, but it was a terribly run campaign. Hopefully he gets better people in the future.

    1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      His campaign screwed him good and hard.

      They kept him away from podcasts where he could have had a couple of hours to explain who he is and what he's done, and instead stuck him on hostile mainstream shows, where he's Mr. Orangestatehitler and is given 30 seconds to explain why he's not the trans antichrist.

      Plus they got him worried about his hight and stuck him in those ridiculous boots. I wonder if they were the same team that handled Jeb!?

      1. SRG2   1 year ago

        "His campaign screwed him" - isn't that on him?

        1. BigT   1 year ago

          Yes, he should have listened to his gut rather than the political advisers.

          My guess is that he will come back in a much better form in 2028. Lots of candidates flame out in their early attempts when they mis-read what made others successful or what made them successful.

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        2. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

          Ultimately it's his fault for trusting them, yeah.

          1. SRG2   1 year ago

            And appointing them in the first place

      2. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

        Reminds me of a Pinky and The Brain.

        In order to take over the world The Brain runs for president as John Brain. He gets the only political advisors he can, one of which is the guy who advised Nixon to look uncomfortable and sweaty on TV. I wonder if that's who DeSantis hired....

    2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   1 year ago

      He was listening to campaign consultants instead of being himself. Being himself obviously works better for him.

    3. CE   1 year ago

      He was running for an executive position. He should be making the final decisions himself.

  2. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   1 year ago

    The only freedom of expression desired by drag queens is to strut in front of kids who are too young to read.

    Go peddle your pedophilia somewhere else.

    1. SQRLSY One   1 year ago

      The WITCHES should be burned ass well, dammit!

      Well Hell’s Bells, just pass some laws against, and rally the internet trolls and the Proud Boys for some street fights against being illegal sub-humans, trannies, accused “groomers”, abortionists, gays, heathens, infidels, vaxxers, mask-wearers, atheists, dirty hippies, Jews, witches, or, the very WORST of them all, being one of those accused of STEALING THE ERECTIONS OF OUR DEAR LEADER, right, right-wing wrong-nuts? ANY methods are OK, so long as they are used against the CORRECT enemies, am I right?

      MORE CULTURE WARS AND LESS FREEDOMS!!! Who needs freedoms anyway?

      1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

        "The WITCHES should be burned ass well, dammit!"

        You're talking about MAGA, right?

    2. Butler T. Reynolds   1 year ago

      Á ÀSS ÄẞÇ ÃÞÇĐ ÂÞ¢ĐÆ ǍB€ÐËF ẢH can't read, can't think.

  3. SQRLSY One   1 year ago

    Ron DeSatan chose culture wars over smaller Government Almighty... SHAME on him! Now WHEN will all of the fleas-of-a-thousand-camels who post HERE, learn this exact same lesson, that culture wars are cunter-productive? And stupid and evil to boot?

    1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   1 year ago

      The culture was was begun by wokies, and this particular one was started by drag queens demanding the right to strut their stuff in front of kids too young to read.

      Self-defense is not a sin.

      1. SQRLSY One   1 year ago (edited)

        How many young kids were forcibly SNATCHED out of MomDad’s unwilling arms and FORCED to watch Drag Queen Story Hours? Got any links?

        Meanwhile, Der TrumpfenFarter-Fuhrer was coarsening the culture by making ALL news-reading and news-watching persons of ALL ages be aware of HIS Spermy Daniels, Our Queen-Drenched-in-Vaseline Spermy Hours!

        Butt… Now what IS this deal about “Drag Queen Spermy Daniels Hour” who-haaa thingee anyway?!?!? Is or was she the Queen of Dragging men (against their will and utmost efforts at self-control) into her lady-parts bear-trap “Snatch, I gotcha” device? What can one DO to resist her contriving and cuntriving mind control?

        Does GREAT world-ass-class POETRY fend off her mind cuntrol? Doesn’t hurt to try, right?

        All Hail Der TrumpfenFuhrer, Full of Grace Savior of the human race! Never mind, us all, He’ll disgrace! Conservatards, above all, MUST save face! In glory, a glaze of Vaseline, Behold Spermy Daniels, our Queen! What a scene, what a scene! The Donald? NEVER so obscene! Now don’t you DARE throw a fit, It won’t matter, not even a bit, We mustn’t ever, EVER quit, We be saved, by The Trumptatorshit!

        Q: What’s the difference between a rooster and a Spermy Daniels? A: The rooster says “Cock-a-doodle-doooo”!, while the Spermy Daniels says “Any cock’ll do!”

        1. SQRLSY One   1 year ago

          Stupid edit button ruins poetry ass usual!

          Butt… Now what IS this deal about “Drag Queen Spermy Daniels Hour” who-haaa thingee anyway?!?!? Is or was she the Queen of Dragging men (against their will and utmost efforts at self-control) into her lady-parts bear-trap “Snatch, I gotcha” device? What can one DO to resist her contriving and cuntriving mind control?

          Does GREAT world-ass-class POETRY fend off her mind cuntrol? Doesn’t hurt to try, right?

          All Hail Der TrumpfenFuhrer, Full of Grace
          Savior of the human race!
          Never mind, us all, He’ll disgrace!
          Conservatards, above all, MUST save face!
          In glory, a glaze of Vaseline,
          Behold Spermy Daniels, our Queen!
          What a scene, what a scene!
          The Donald? NEVER so obscene!
          Now don’t you DARE throw a fit,
          It won’t matter, not even a bit,
          We mustn’t ever, EVER quit,
          We be saved, by The Trumptatorshit!

          Q: What’s the difference between a rooster and a Spermy Daniels?
          A: The rooster says “Cock-a-doodle-doooo”!, while the Spermy Daniels says “Any cock’ll do!”

      2. Beezard   1 year ago (edited)

        The Drag Queen Story Hour founders are neo-commie Queer Theorists who literally spelled out their intention to subvert normativity in kids.

        It’s kind of like the J6 uncuffing and fist bump. You can literally put the conspiracy on film, and Reason will still gaslight everybody in the next article about J6.

        I swear that 15 years ago they’d have been all over this shit in a good way. But now, I can’t tell if they’re bought and sold, or genuinely mystified. Or if they’re just so embarrassed by how irrelevant they’ve been made by the cultural revolution, that they feel they have to keep playing dumb until some of these big issues solve themselves.

        1. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

          The good Koch brother died, the one that's left is the proggie retard

  4. JesseAz   1 year ago

    Lol.

    After all the narrative driven hit pieces, they now switch to a regret piece.

    1. JesseAz   1 year ago

      Never mind. Still a hit piece.

      1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

        So no more Florida articles?

        1. CE   1 year ago

          Now they will start to critique Haley, before strategically and regretfully endorsing Biden.

          1. Agammamon   1 year ago

            They're not going to critique Haley.

            Trump's still way out front. And Haley is basically GOP-Biden anyway.

            Tons of articles incoming about how Trump's Orangehitler and Republicans should support Haley (and never an reason to support Haley other than 'well, she's not Trump') . . . and then reluctantly vote for Biden when Trump takes the nomination.

            For 'our precious democracy' of course.

            They will also never offer a reason to vote for Biden except 'not Trump'.

          2. Kungpowderfinger   1 year ago

            Nah, Haley’s done for, the networks are looping her “America was never racist” clip non-stop.

            She never really had a shot anyway, unless FJB finally can’t function before the election, and Kamela has to run.

            So Reason focused on Orangesmanbad in their support for “the adults in the room”.

      2. MasterThief   1 year ago

        I thought the same at first. The first part of the article was the most positive coverage Reason has offered Desantis, even if it is couched in criticism and disagreement with the good things he has done. It didn't take long to devolve into yet another "Orangemanbad" style rant

      3. mad.casual   1 year ago (edited)

        Dude. I have yet to see a correction or retraction of the “The Babylon Bee can hold our Cosmos” self-beclowning “Ted Cruz Comes Out Against Western Liberal Democracy” piece in 2016.

        Cruz was criticizing Trump as a peer of people like Hochul and Adams and Christie, which he is/was, and the magazine tried to play it, again self-beclowningly, like Ted Cruz was insulting everyone and every idea about democracy from Thomas Jefferson to Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus and before.

    2. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

      You know how when a kid who is doing well and has his shit together fucks up you feel like being harder on him than a kid who is always fucking up? I think it's a lot like that for Republicans with the Reason writers.

      The writers expect the Republicans to go pro liberty and small government because they talk a good game. So when the party fails to deliver on those promises and the puts up candidates you'd rather use for target practice than voting they are hard on them because they expect better from Republicans.

      Democrats are just a lost cause. Libertatians gave up on them a couple decades ago. So what if they run Polly Pot, Sleepy Joe, all four of the Squad of Bitches or really anyone who is currently in an old folks home. It doesn't matter. What hurts is the Republican Party can't manage a candidate you feel good about voting for.

      Don't get me wrong, I'll vote for Trump if he's on the ballot but I will be holding my nose. I like him pissing people off, that's fun, but I do wish someone would take his fucking phone away.

  5. creech   1 year ago

    He could have offered " A Choice, Not an Echo."

  6. JFree   1 year ago

    In his first political book, Dreams From Our Founding Fathers,

    Well that book title was the problem. It also needed to include guns, apple pie and Jesus. Just too narrow an appeal.

    1. SQRLSY One   1 year ago

      Yes, and check out the next paragraph after that!

      "But as governor, DeSantis also earned a reputation for tax-funded political stunts and for expanding government with little regard for civil liberties."

      Ass POTUS, DeSatan will be forcing USA taxpayers to trick and ferry billions upon brazilians of sub-Brazilians from Brazil to Botswana, and to deport illegal sub-Martians from Mars to Uranus! Ass long ass the illegal Martians SUFFER-SUFFER-SUFFER, red-meat-hungry socons and troglodytes will be DELIGHTED to spend those extra tax dollars! Butt I for one think that illegal Martians are intelligent beings, too, and hope that they will NOT suffer on Uranus, from too many foul odors, etc.!

      DeSatan… SPEAKS to me! Get Thee behind me, DeSatan!

      Scienfoology Song… GAWD = Government Almighty’s Wrath Delivers

      DeSatan loves me, This I know,
      For DeSatan tells me so,
      Little ones to GAWD belong,
      We are weak, but GAWD is strong!
      Yes, DeSatan loves me!
      Yes, DeSatan loves me!
      Yes, DeSatan loves me!
      DeSatan tells me so!

      DeSatan loves me, yes indeed,
      Makes the illegal sub-humans bleed,
      Protects me for geeks and freaks,
      I LOVE to pay taxes, till my wallet squeaks!
      PUNISH Disney, I’ll PAY for their pains,
      Ass long ass DeSatan Blesses our gains!
      Yes, DeSatan loves me!
      Yes, DeSatan loves me!
      Yes, DeSatan loves me!
      DeSatan tells me so!

      DeSatan expels the low-lifes to Venus,
      Moves them ANYWHERE, with His Penis!
      His Penis throbs with His Righteousness,
      Take no heed, He says, of His Frighteousness!
      ALL must be PUNISHED, they say!
      So never, EVER be or say gay!
      Yes, DeSatan loves me!
      Yes, DeSatan loves me!
      Yes, DeSatan loves me!
      DeSatan tells me so!

      Our USA taxes must PAY The Way, He may say,
      To EXPORT the illegal Mars aliens, every day!
      To Pluto, Jupiter, or Uranus, they must ALL go!
      Oh, the places that the low-lifes will go, you must know!
      The taxes we shall pay? Through the money, we must BLOW!
      Yes, DeSatan loves me!
      Yes, DeSatan loves me!
      Yes, DeSatan loves me!
      DeSatan tells me so!

      (If we did NOT do-doo, doo-doo-doo, ALL of this, then that them thar illegal Uranus aliens, AND their foul odors, WILL show up on OUR doors, in the formerly pure USA!!! We MUST keep them AWAY, far away, out in the Deep Dark Yonder!)

      Also…
      DeSatan tis of Thee,
      Sweet Man of tyranny!
      From every mountainside,
      You smell Him for free!
      DeLand where de eagles glide!
      DeLand where de illegals hide!

      DeSatan, tis of Thee I sing,
      To the liberals, tears You bring!
      You make the proggies cry!
      Talk with THEM?! Don’t even try!

      DeSatan, tis of Thee I praise!
      For the woke, Holy Hell You raise!
      Illegal Martians? Low-life scum, You catch and send,
      To Uranus with them! Ignore tax dollars You spend!
      We must punish ALL, who to USA might sail,
      At ALL costs, DeSatanism MUST prevail!

      Also…
      To the tune of "America the Beautiful"

      DeSatan, tis of Thee,
      The Great One, who reigns supreme,
      With His mighty hand,
      He rules across the land,
      His power we cannot flee!

      DeSatan, tis of Thee I laud,
      For punishing the "woke" fraud,
      He silences their cries,
      And exposes all their lies,
      His wrath they cannot defraud.

      DeSatan, tis of Thee I sing,
      His justice makes the heavens ring,
      With His righteous might,
      He vanquishes the night,
      To His glory we all shall cling.

      DeSatan, tis of Thee I adore,
      For sending the aliens offshore,
      To Uranus they will go,
      And there they shall know,
      That DeSatan's power reigns forevermore.

      DeSatan, tis of Thee we'll pay,
      Our taxes for His righteous way,
      To export the "low-lifes",
      To far-off planets and strife,
      DeSatanism shall never sway!

      #MeInTheAss’CauseI’maGullibleLowBrowBlowHardConTard

      #BeenTrumpledUnderfootForFarTooLong

      1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

        Remember to use the spamflag when Sqrlsy exceeds 10 lines, folks.

        1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   1 year ago

          No, encourage the fucker, it takes him longer.

      2. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

        Completely shit copypasta, NaziSqrlsy. You've used it far too many times previously, therefore, a mere F- is all you can manage at best.

    2. JesseAz   1 year ago

      You'd have preferred Masks, Shots, and Climate Change.

    3. Mother's Lament   1 year ago (edited)

      “It also needed to include guns, apple pie and Jesus.”

      Not the clot shot, female penises and Obama?

      Edit: Oops, Jesse had the same idea. It takes a lot of guts for a bien pensant like J(ew)Free to pretend that he's not part of a cult.

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        Yours works too. Could be a long set if leftist ideals for chicken little.

  7. Jerry B.   1 year ago

    Unless all the primary voters who didn't vote for Trump rally behind Nikki Haley, it's going to be Trump vs. Biden again.

    Shit.

    1. Alberto Balsalm   1 year ago

      The beatings will continue until morale improves

      1. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

        No wonder so many people don't bother voting. Just like 2016 and 2020. We get a "choice" between a shit sandwich and a douche smoothie.

    2. NOYB2   1 year ago

      Well, let's hope they won't rally behind the neocon war monger.

    3. CE   1 year ago (edited)

      Which should make for an even more auspicious opportunity for the LP than 2016, when they ran a successful 2-term governor against two (alleged) crooks. Who do they have this time?

      1. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

        Good question. I've no answer.

        1. KerryB   1 year ago

          If only we could get a third or fourth candidate on the debate stage. Any half decent debater should be able to wipe the floor with these geezers.

  8. Shlomo's Shiksa   1 year ago

    Why does KM-W hire these losers and keep them on the masthead?
    The gal showed so much promise in her undergraduate anarchist essay at Yale and bringing Ann Althouse to literal tears in defending freedom of association. It's really a shame what she's done to reason's reputation.

    1. SQRLSY One   1 year ago (edited)

      Yes, this!!! All this means is that he’s a doer of the stuff (AND the stuffy stuff!) that they SAID that the OTHER people said that they did to them! In broad daylight, quite clearly, even! No one can dispute this about that, or them, or him, or her, or ANY of the other stuff!!! And if you think that I am NOT being TOTALLY clear about this stuff and stuff, that I say about ALL of them… Then let me REPEAT my VERY clear stance about ALL of this shit! Here! Stuff and stuff is stuffy, except when it is NOT stuffy! And shit and shit is VERY shitty, except when it is NOT shitty! Just HOW many times must I CLEARLY state my messages, until ye thick-skulled moraines finally GET it?!?!?

      https://reason.com/people/katherine-mangu-ward/ ... THIS is how one provides LINKS to show WHAT THE HELL are ye babbling about!!!

  9. Beezard   1 year ago

    Yes, if DeSantis would have been more of a dreamy, Reason-brand libertarianish progressive/neo-con, he would have been swept right into office by the freedom loving masses.

    1. Ersatz   1 year ago

      and by dreamy i'm guessing you mean more gay and pro moloch (molech?)
      i thinks that last one is an either\or

    2. CE   1 year ago

      If only the Dems had replaced Biden with Polis.... it could have been a dream(y) matchup for Reason.

  10. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

    "Ron DeSantis Could Have Run on a Message of Freedom
    His political makeover into a Trumpy cultural warrior undermined what could have been a compelling campaign about the value of freedom."

    Wow, talk about concern trolling. DeSantis could have put on a miniskirt, fake tits and Mickey Mouse ears and Boehm still would have hated him.
    The only way he's getting Eric's vote is if he's Ron (D)Santis.

    1. Ersatz   1 year ago

      ^this^

  11. Carlos Inconvenience   1 year ago

    Any idea who the Libertarians are running?

    1. Alberto Balsalm   1 year ago

      ChatGPT

      1. Ersatz   1 year ago

        i believe chatGPT has been shown to be a reliable Democratic news source

        1. mad.casual   1 year ago (edited)

          It’s got Bill Weld beat.

          You: Was Hillary Clinton a good leader?

          ChatGPT: Assessing whether Hillary Clinton was a good leader is subjective and can depend on individual perspectives. Clinton has had a long and varied career in politics, serving as the Secretary of State, U.S. Senator, and First Lady. Supporters often highlight her experience, advocacy for healthcare reform, and efforts in international diplomacy. Critics, on the other hand, may raise concerns about issues such as her handling of emails while Secretary of State or disagreements on policy matters.

          It’s important to note that opinions on political figures can vary widely, and people may have different criteria for evaluating leadership. If you have specific aspects of her leadership you’re interested in, feel free to ask for more information.

          1. Its_Not_Inevitable   1 year ago

            No mention of Vince Foster?

    2. JesseAz   1 year ago

      Rectenwald is the MC choice. He isnt too bad.

      1. CE   1 year ago

        That's an unfortunate name for a politician.

        1. SQRLSY One   1 year ago

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Rectenwald

          The anti-woke-extremism (especially in academia) sounds good to me, and good luck to him on that!

          Now I want to know, is he in favor of womb-slaves? I mean, in favor of keeping them enslaved, or freeing them? Also, is he in favor of endless trade wars, and higher tariff-taxes on us poor working stiffs?

          1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

            "NoT kiLLinG yOuR oFfsPriNg iS sLaVeRY"

      2. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

        Please tell me you made a horrible spelling error. "Rectum-Wall" will be how that name gets pronounced.

  12. NOYB2   1 year ago (edited)

    His political makeover into a Trumpy cultural warrior undermined what could have been a compelling campaign about the value of freedom.

    He could have been as “compelling” as every LP candidate ever!

    (And by "freedom", I suspect you mean: free drugs, free abortions, drag queen story hour, mass immigration, and subsidized imports from China.)

    1. JesseAz   1 year ago

      Anti racism and baking that cake.

      1. mad.casual   1 year ago

        Don't forget "Dear Colleagues"-style, 100-person Vice Presidential Gun Control panels!

  13. Get To Da Chippah   1 year ago

    If I'm not free to talk to a random group of second graders about who I want to fuck and who they want to fuck, am I really free?

    /Reason

  14. Nobartium   1 year ago

    DeSantis' camp had too many Bush/Cruz veterans, who are still bitter over 2016.

    He should have waited.

  15. SRG2   1 year ago

    My hypothesis, going back to my correct calling of the 2008 Dem primary and subsequent presidential election:

    The US constitution assigns three functions to the president - head of state, head of executive and commander-in-chief.

    Presidential candidates can likewise be assigned on the basis of who they're presenting themselves as. In 2008, Obama ran as head of state, McCain, obviously, as commander-in-chief, and Hilary as head of the executive.

    The hypothesis continues, that in general Americans vote for candidates in the following order of preference: head of state, commander-in-chief, and head of executive. Hence in 2008, Obama beats Hilary and then McCain. (I'm not claiming this as a universal rule, but as an heuristic, btw.)

    DeSantis never presented himself as anything other than an executive head.

    1. mad.casual   1 year ago

      My hypothesis, going back to my correct calling of the 2008 Dem primary and subsequent presidential election:

      In 46 elections, I made one right call! Read on to discover the one weird trick to my success!

      LOL. Fucking retard.

      1. SRG2   1 year ago

        In 46 elections, I made one right call! Read on to discover the one weird trick to my success!

        LOL. Fucking retard.

        So no actual argument against the point, just heckling from the peanut gallery. WTG, cretin.

        1. mad.casual   1 year ago (edited)

          More LOL, “I called the Dem Primary that everyone watched get rigged against Bernie Sanders in real time before it was decided… I’m. A. GEEENIUS!”

          Cry harder. I’m sure everyone will see that your thoughts were deeply profound and unforeseeable at the time rather than being cheap rhetoric (I propose 1 in 3 options and, somehow, come up right < 33% of the time?!?!) and that I'm just a big meanie.

  16. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago (edited)

    He was a candidate who could tout the benefits of giving parents greater access to school choice and then talk proudly about how his state government has seized greater control over school curriculums—sometimes with hardly a breath in between. He’d brag about how so many Americans were moving to Florida because of its freedoms, then declare that the federal government should do more to stop people who are moving to America for the same reason.

    It is not a contradiction if you understand how many on the Right view liberty, and it is not how libertarians view liberty. For libertarians, of course, liberty is a birthright of every person by virtue of being alive. But for many on the Right, liberty is more of a privilege that must be earned by being in the correct tribe or being sufficiently morally worthy. It is also why so many evangelical Christians are on the Right, because this view of liberty is very similar to how evangelical Christians view salvation generally – only the worthy will be saved, everyone else will be damned.

    So there is no contradiction in DeSantis’ mind for touting the freedom to immigrate to Florida, but wanting to restrict the freedom to immigrate into the US. Because to them the freedom to immigrate to Florida does NOT follow from a universal freedom of movement, or freedom of association. It follows from the liberty that is earned by becoming an American. Americans are superior people who are entitled to more liberty. That’s just the way it is, according to them.

    And there is no contradiction in DeSantis’ mind in touting school choice, but then demanding the state restrict the curriculum in schools. Because to them school choice does not flow from some universal freedom of choice. It stems instead from the liberty of parents to teach what is morally appropriate to their kids, with the guiding hand of the state determining what is ‘morally appropriate’. THAT is what ‘school choice’ really is. And teachers teaching kids anything that is even woke-adjacent is immoral, and therefore there is no liberty for any teacher to do that, even in private school.

    Same deal for drag queens. In their mind they don’t have some universal ‘freedom of expression’ the way libertarians might think of it. The ‘freedom of expression’ to them is DEFINED to be that which is consistent with their moral values. There is no liberty to do anything otherwise.

    1. CE   1 year ago

      Not a bad analysis, except that public school teachers are state employees, and instructing them not to teach age-inappropriate material to young children, or not to promote values or lifestyles that are out of step with the majority of voters, is well within the appropriate powers of the governor and state legislature.

    2. defaultdotxbe   1 year ago

      My perception is that both Democrats and Republicans view liberty with a strong sense of paternalism. You ostensibly have a choice, but if you make the wrong choice it's the government's job to step in and correct you.

      1. NOYB2   1 year ago

        You ostensibly have a choice, but if you make the wrong choice it’s the government’s job to step in and correct you.

        As long as the government in our progressive social welfare state socializes the cost of wrong choices, it is the government's job to step in and correct people.

        You can have the freedom to destroy your life any way you like as soon as I don't have to pay for your choices anymore.

    3. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      "because this view of liberty is very similar to how evangelical Christians view salvation generally – only the worthy will be saved, everyone else will be damned."

      How can you be so appallingly ignorant of the core beliefs of one of the foundational philosophies of Western civilization?

      No matter which branch you're part of, the core tenant of Christianity is that nobody is worthy and salvation is freely offered to everyone no matter who they are, no strings attached. This is particularly true of the evangelical movement who often make a big deal about it.

      I see this sort of thing in virtually every post you make here against any group you regard as your enemy. You just make shit up about them in order to smear, and hope nobody notices.

      1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   1 year ago

        Spoiler Alert : He is a bloviating idiot

    4. NOYB2   1 year ago

      For libertarians, of course, liberty is a birthright of every person by virtue of being alive.

      Yet, leftist a-holes like you want to take that birthright away by forcing me to pay taxes for the social services of illegal migrants.

      And there is no contradiction in DeSantis’ mind in touting school choice, but then demanding the state restrict the curriculum in schools.

      In a free society, the curriculum in schools is determined by the people who pay for those schools; that is voters, in the case of public schools. Letting teachers and experts (i.e. "authorities") make those decisions against the will of voters is literally authoritarian. That is what you defend.

  17. Wearenotperfect   1 year ago

    Great, wonderful, fantastic. Now he can get back to his favorite hobby of book burning, fighting mice and rewriting American history.

    1. Mickey Rat   1 year ago

      Or fighting CRT racists and the establishment of the LGBTQ+ religion in government schools.

  18. Public Entelectual   1 year ago

    Time to dust off my Weld 2020 button, in case Jeb gets cold feet.

    1. CE   1 year ago

      Gravitas, buddy.

      1. Public Entelectual   1 year ago

        Please reconsider.

        Does not Veritas take precedence in a matter so grave as saving the presidency of a free nation ?

  19. CE   1 year ago

    Ron Paul ran on a message of freedom in 2008, but Republicans voted for John McCain (of bomb, bomb Iran fame).
    Rand Paul ran on a message of freedom in 2016, but Republicans voted for Donald Trump (of build the wall/drain the swamp fame.)
    Gary Johnson ran on a message of freedom in 2016, and got 3% of the vote as voters tried to pick the bigger bully between Trump and Clinton.
    Why would any candidate run on a message of freedom when the voters don't support want freedom?

    1. Public Entelectual   1 year ago

      What!
      Are you saying you voted against the 2016 Libertarian presidential ticket?

    2. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

      Freedom is too scary for normal people. It also comes with responsibility which damn few are willing to take on. Even those who claim to want true liberty for all really mean the liberties that they want and no others. There aren't many who are willing to give actual full personal liberty a shot.

  20. Agammamon   1 year ago

    >Ron DeSantis Could Have Run on a Message of Freedom
    His political makeover into a Trumpy cultural warrior undermined what could have been a compelling campaign about the value of freedom.

    He did. So is Trump.

    You know who's *not* running on a message of freedom?

    Ya gurl Nikkie and ya boy Biden. But, hey, go ahead and vote for them - Davos is looking nice this time of year, amirite?

  21. IceTrey   1 year ago

    He shouldn't have run. He should have endorsed Trump and concentrated on running Florida and he would have taken it in 28.

    1. Kungpowderfinger   1 year ago

      I’m delighted that nobody knows wtf will happen this election, imagine the pants-shitting meltdowns if Trump wins? Will all the networks read the same prepared statement regarding the end of democracy?

      DeSantis had to take a shot, no guts no glory and there were high odds (there still are) that Trump won’t make it to the election.

      Both major candidates are fighting to stay out of jail. Trump’s got the full weight of the DNC and their friends in the Justice Department trying to ruin him, and Brandon with his shitty family one greased palm away from facing major corruption charges.

      Best election ever, finally one giving the office the respect it deserves.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

        I’m delighted that nobody knows wtf will happen this election, imagine the pants-shitting meltdowns if Trump wins? Will all the networks read the same prepared statement regarding the end of democracy?

        Right now, with the way a certain side has been acting, I'm kinda hoping for that "pants-shitting" meltdown. I've got plenty of popcorn for it.

        1. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

          You'll need better ammo than popcorn.

  22. TJJ2000   1 year ago (edited)

    “In short, rather than trying to out-flank Trump with the too-online fringe of the GOP, DeSantis could have courted the much larger segment of Republicans who were disgruntled by the government’s handling of the pandemic, unsettled by inflation (which was triggered in part by overspending), and unsure about Trump’s ability to overcome all that baggage.

    That would have required a willingness to target Trump’s faults and failures directly—something DeSantis often seemed unwilling to do.”

    - Trump never did do any of that and Trump never started a Culture War either. He is the victim of one.

    “a small-government Republicanism as a necessary contrast to Trumpism”

    - The victim of a culture war completely demonstrated right here at Reason with statements like these. Why are journalists talking about Trump like he EXPANDED government????? That is just a bold faced lie.

  23. MWAocdoc   1 year ago

    If the analysts are right and you're going to lose the primary anyway, you have three options: 1) don't bother trying; 2) angle for the V.P. spot and hope the ticket wins and something bad happens to the Prez later, moving you into the White House; or 3) run on your own strengths, don't attack anyone - especially the guy who might win the election - and position yourself for the next election in four years. It doesn't seem to me that you can do all three at the same time.

    1. MasterThief   1 year ago

      Vivek did 2 of the 3. Desantis seemed like he could have done the same, but his campaign decided to fail all 3. Criticizing Trump would have been fine, but his campaign attacked Trump in dirty dishonest ways while treating every right-wing personality not firmly in their camp as a greater enemy than democrats

      1. BigT   1 year ago

        They all disobeyed Reagan's 11th commandment: Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican. And since the MSM is an amplifier for any anti-Republican messages, they all were helping the Donkeys.

        1. NOYB2   1 year ago

          Reagan lived in a time when the GOP was more unified.

          Right now, there is a civil war within the GOP, and "speaking ill" of each other is a good and necessary thing, because some Republicans are apparently too stupid to understand what's happening.

  24. Chezhoff   1 year ago

    Freedom?
    6 week abortion ban
    Censorship of dictionaries
    Silenced Disney

    Freedom to be a dictAtor

    1. NOYB2   1 year ago

      Yes, in free societies, we follow the NAP and we don't expose children to sexual content at government expense.

      Socialist, authoritarian governments violate those principles: the kind of government you apparently like.

    2. Social Justice is neither   1 year ago

      Aw, poor murderous corporatist pedo, did he give your evil ass a sadz?

  25. Chezhoff   1 year ago

    Why choose a mini-mussolini when der fuhrer is still available

    1. NOYB2   1 year ago

      You're talking about Kamala and Joe Biden?

      1. BigT   1 year ago

        Biden is barely alive. Is that available? Maybe in part.

  26. Longtobefree   1 year ago

    It's a Florida Man thing, Eric, you can't understand.

  27. Uomo Del Ghiaccio   1 year ago

    Even though DeSantis had his difficulties and has now suspended his campaign, DeSantis was far preferable to either Donald Trump or Nikki Haley.

    The Democratic party has no candidates that are worthy to vote for and now the Republican party has no candidates that are worthy to vote for. Not that I'm inclined to vote for anyone from the uni-party, but we have yet another election where the major parties have terrible candidates.

  28. Marshal   1 year ago (edited)

    Here at Reason I’m still searching for a single use of the term culture warrior to describe anyone on the left. It’s revealing such demeaning language is reserved for the right and advanced in their own voice rather than couched skeptically as “so-called” or attributed to others as “woke” is. No matter how anti-libertarian the left is Reasoners never similarly deride them.

    Maybe this is the Weigel career management philosophy, or maybe they just hate the right. But either way it’s a clear bias rendering all their judgements suspect.

    1. BigT   1 year ago

      Republicans are 'icky' and cannot be stomached in the NYC-DC cult of 'moral purity' in which the Reasonistas swim. The Reason staff are humorless scolds who take simplistic, virtue-signaling positions rather than more difficult, nuanced positions.

    2. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

      The term "culture defender" would be more accurate, since it's the left/loonies who are the warriors on offense.

    3. Zeb   1 year ago

      Or maybe it goes without saying that the left is engaged in culture war. You are probably mostly right, though. At least some of Reason people side more with the left on many culture war issues.

    4. Butler T. Reynolds   1 year ago

      Search for "social justice warrior" instead, dingbat.

      1. markm23   1 year ago

        And remember that the left often names things by opposites. "Social Justice" translates to "Antisocial Injustice".

  29. Butler T. Reynolds   1 year ago

    He failed the Ideological Turing Test. He didn't really believe the low-IQ MAGA nonsense.

  30. markm23   1 year ago (edited)

    DeSantis seems to be almost libertarian when he thinks something through, but utterly fascist when he just reacts – and he reacts far more often than he thinks. This still leaves Trump as the the most freedom-oriented serious candidate now, as well as his record as the least big-government President since Silent Cal.

  31. But SkyNet is a Private Company   1 year ago

    Reason and Boehm could have covered DeSantis fairly, instead we got “Don’t Say Gay” bullcrap

  32. NoVaNick   1 year ago

    The drag queens are just a symptom of the much bigger problem of public education. DeSantis should have focused on this instead, along with inflation, deficit, and especially the shakedown the climate change cult is trying to force on us, but instead he came across as Trump jr.

    1. BigT   1 year ago

      Yes, I think DeSantis was told he had to take away a large fraction of Trump's voters and the only way to do that was to go after the same culture war issues at least as intensely as Trump. BAD idea. Trump lost in 2020 because he was too vulgar, but also lost some people because he was too deep in the culture wars. The SCOTUS abortion decision - blamed on Trump by many women - hurt him.

      1. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

        Which is why women shouldn't have the right to vote. They are too emotional and easily misled by the media. Roe v Wade needed to fall because it was a bad decision. The issue belonged with the states. Blaming Trump for enslaving their wombs is idiocy of the highest order.

    2. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

      If he would have disbanded public schools, made the money follow the student and defunded libraries making them into private non profit entities that need to fundraiser to stay in business he'd have solved the drag queen queerosexual pervert problem all while increasing personal liberty.

      It would be DeSantis in 2024 with that behind him.

  33. Rod Flash   1 year ago

    It cracks me up whenever I read about people moving to FL for the freedom. I would bet that nearly all of us moved here for the weather. Yes, the lack of income tax is really nice, but it's not a deal maker/breaker (unless you're coming from NY, IL, or CA). But other than that the freedom is illusory, just like all the other states. You may or may not agree with the decisions the gov't foists upon you, but agreeing with the laws and regulations doesn't imply freedom, just agreement.

    1. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

      Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to loose.

      Liberty means living your life free of restraints.

      Freedom is dependant on the individuals desires. Want to smoke dope, cross dress and fuck hookers? Move to Holland. As long as guns and high taxes aren't deal breakers you'd feel freedom there.

      If your definition of freedom includes no limits on abortion, guns being impossible for law abiding citizens to acquire, public nudity, cross dressing, cutting a boys dick off or a girl's tits off, schools that don't have to tell the parents if their kids are snorting coke in the bathrooms and wall to wall drag queens in all the schools and libraries Florida .ay not be for you. There are several states where you won't feel freedom, but there are others where you will. That's the beauty of States Rights. California can be pervert central where all your twisted fantasies can come true and Florida can be a conservative state where your perversions are not welcome.

      1. Bill Falcon   1 year ago

        Hit it out...Reason's group of cosmo "libertarians" core issues are open borders, abortion till birth, allowing pedos and groomer degenerates to pray on kids in public schools and libraries and be sexually mutilated.

        You have to have basic morals and virtue..the Reason crowd constantly pushes the Frankfort school with their only true libertarian views are like having the State outlaw zoning laws for housing..seriously if you look at the Reason crowd they are no not diverse. Most live in NYC/DC/LA, few are Catholic/Christian or Ethnic and it seems not too many are straight. I mean they have fucking Cathy Young as a libertarian. Nuff said.

  34. EscherEnigma   1 year ago

    Ron DeSantis Could Have Run on a Message of Freedom

    Not with his track-record, he couldn't.

  35. Social Justice is neither   1 year ago

    Dishonest leftist concern trolling about the Republican primary. Fuck off Boehm, you pushed every leftist lie about the man to date.

  36. Anastasia Beaverhausen   1 year ago

    "He could contrast his approach to COVID, centered around personal responsibility,"

    No, he failed on that too. Remember the ban on private businesses deciding for themselves whether to require employees be vaccinated or wear masks? Yet another "Government Knows Best" approach and a million miles away from freedom and personal responsibility. My business, my rules... but DeFascist knows nothing about freedom.

    1. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

      Remember the ban on private businesses deciding for themselves whether to require employees be vaccinated or wear masks?

      You mean his protecting the rights of citizens to decide for themselves whether to be vaccinated or wear masks?

  37. Ronsch   1 year ago

    DeSantis? Freedom? During the Pandemic he told companies how to run their businesses, school districts how to run their schools. He really loved to run people's lives in Florida. He's not friend of Freedom. If he were to make "freedom" his campaign, there'd be a lot of his past to emerge.

  38. Bill Falcon   1 year ago

    Buddy...move to NY. Run your business? Schools Districts to run their schools? Ok most school districts are run by the educational complex of cultural marxist "academic" grifters and teacher unions and useless administrators under the facade of moron PTA moms running school boards. Why do schools ever have to get into the whole LTBGTQXYZ crusade? A young person's sexual preference has nothing to do with schools. As for this whole "transgender" thing..sorry but drag queens seem obsessed with young kids? They dont do story hour at the local nursing home do they? And treating (actually grooming and brainwashing) confused kids into thinking they are really the other sex (which is clearly impossible) and lobby their parents to sexually mutilate their kids is sick. yes there are parents (mostly yenta moms) who deeply want their kids to "change" their gender. They are then popular in their little sick woke friends' group. It is straight from the Frankfort school of degeneracy.

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