Will Elon Musk's Twitter Sex Jokes End the Administrative State?
SpaceX argues the federal agency trying to punish it for firing employees critical of Musk is itself unconstitutional.
Could Elon Musk's Twitter jokes about sexual harassment kickstart a chain of events that ends with large swaths of the administrative state being struck down by the courts? We're further along this timeline than you might think.
Earlier this month, SpaceX—where Musk is co-founder and CEO—filed a lawsuit in federal court against the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) and its members arguing that the independent agency's insulation from presidential authority and its system for deciding labor disputes is unconstitutional.
The company's lawsuit came one day after the NLRB filed its own complaint against SpaceX for firing several employees who'd circulated an open letter demanding the company condemn Musk's "harmful Twitter behavior."
The harmful behavior mainly involved Musk joking about SpaceX's settlement of a sexual harassment claim against him brought by a former company employee, per reporting from The New York Times.
SpaceX claimed the employees' anti-Musk activism was disruptive and merited termination.
After being fired, the employees filed NLRB complaints, arguing SpaceX violated their rights under federal labor regulations. That eventually led to the board filing a complaint against SpaceX this January.
Like many independent federal agencies, the NLRB complaint against SpaceX will be heard by an administrative law judge who works for the agency. If SpaceX doesn't like the judge's decision, it has to appeal to NLRB members themselves.
Neither NLRB members nor its administrative law judges can be removed by the president at will. They can only be fired for cause. The agency also uses its adjudication process to set substantive policies that bind private parties.
"In effect, the NLRB is acting as the lawmaker, the prosecutor, the jury, the judge, and the appellate court before a company has a chance to get to a real court," says Oliver Dunford, an attorney at the Pacific Legal Foundation (PLF).
SpaceX's lawsuit argues that this whole setup is unconstitutional. The inability of the president to fire NLRB members and judges violates his constitutional powers to hire and fire "officers of the United States." Its adjudication process violates the Seventh Amendment's guarantee of jury trials. The fact that the NLRB prosecutes violations of policies it sets in front of its administrative law judges and hears appeals of those judges' decisions all violates due process guarantees.
SpaceX's arguments against the NLRB have implications for many other federal agencies that are structured the same way.
"To say this structure itself violates the Constitution would be saying a large swath of the federal government is unconstitutional," one attorney told Bloomberg Law.
The U.S. Supreme Court is currently considering a case that challenges the Security and Exchange Commission's structure and adjudication process on similar grounds. PLF is suing the Consumer Product Safety Commission and the Environmental Protection Agency over related issues.
Claims that SpaceX's arguments would end the administrative state are overblown, says Dunford. Most federal administrative law judges are within the Social Security Administration dealing with questions about government benefits, he says.
That's much different than independent agencies that regulate private rights. It's when government bodies are telling private parties what to do, and punishing them for non-compliance, that due process and jury trial rights are relevant, argues Dunford.
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“To say this structure itself violates the Constitution would be saying a large swath of the federal government is unconstitutional,” one attorney told Bloomberg Law.
Most of the Fed is unconstitutional. Duh.
“Sounds about right to me.”
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– Any executive branch bureaucrat
>>”To say this structure itself violates the Constitution would be saying a large swath of the federal government is unconstitutional,” ~~ one attorney
winner.
“To say this structure itself violates the Constitution would be saying a large swath of the federal government is unconstitutional,” one attorney told Bloomberg Law.
No shit, Sherlock. Now let’s see Wickard overturned.
Not the hero we need, not the one we deserve
He’s the hero we have.
Do you even know who Mister Mxyzptlk is?
Way to jack my screen name, pig fucker.
There’s a much more important threat my to the administrative state, the Supreme Court is hearing Chevron case today.
Let’s hope they care more about the constitution than not “rocking the boat.”
FYTW
“To say this structure itself violates the Constitution would be saying a large swath of the federal government is unconstitutional”
Yes, we ARE saying that! We’ve been saying that for decades. The government doesn’t care … they don’t HAVE to … they’re the GOVERNMENT!
Their not caring works until it doesn’t.
The government doesn’t care … they don’t HAVE to … they’re the GOVERNMENT!
Where is the true Arthur Kirkland when we need him?
“You’re unconstitutional! You’re unconstitutional! The whole government is unconstitutional! They’re unconstitutional!”
https://youtu.be/S4NFjLiDxuw?si=5c2ivSkJ0TEvJBq9
I think he sells a lot of knock-off goods to Costco now.
“To say this structure itself violates the Constitution would be saying a large swath of the federal government is unconstitutional”
So, just in this one case, cite the constitutional authorization for the NLRB.
Which is an argument for why the federal judiciary would be reluctant to buy into that line of reasoning, as it would open a very large can of worms, but that is a political justification, not a legal one. It is not a rebuttal against the argument itself on the legal merits.
Don’t know much about this fellow. All of us libertarians are on Mastodon. And we put a flag on the moon in like 1968 or something. Or so I’m told. And what was SpaceX formerly known as?
Mastodon? Is that the one formerly known as Mammoth?
I’m not on Mastadon. I’m not on Twitter either… I’m not on Facebook or MySpace. There are a bunch of new ones I don’t know about that I’m not on either. I have no social media footprint. Well, I am on Amazon and use GMAIL so there is some tracking of my clicking going on.
And you aren’t Mister MRMXYZPTLK!
And what was SpaceX formerly known as?
SpaceTwitter, of course.
SpaceX has always been SpaceX. It’s full name though is Space Exploration Technologies.
“To say this structure itself violates the Constitution would be saying a large swath of the federal government is unconstitutional,” one attorney told Bloomberg Law.
Bingo.
Almost all of it. You are correct sir.
Well someone needs to end the [Na]tional So[zi]alist Empire that conquered and destroyed the USA. One can sure hope the courts will actually do their job for once.
“To say this structure itself violates the Constitution would be saying a large swath of the federal government is unconstitutional,”
Shirley the government wont end up saying that
Why not? And don’t call me Shirley.
If they argued that, they would run a very real risk of making it true. If they don’t argue that, they can claim that the next case is somehow different than this one because reasons, and so the next agency’s ALJs and procedures should not be thrown in the same waste bin as the NLRB’s.
It’s called “employment at will.”
Feel free to criticize the boss publicly, but don’t expect to keep working for him or her.
“”To say this structure itself violates the Constitution would be saying a large swath of the federal government is unconstitutional,” one attorney told Bloomberg Law.“
This is not news to me.
Alternatively: Tell me something I don’t know, Mr. Lawyer.
“To say this structure itself violates the Constitution would be saying” an obvious truth that’s needed to be said for a long time.
Well, I for one am in favor of getting rid of the fake judges and the kangaroo courts and the like. If a person is alleged to have violated the law, then let that person have his/her day in a real court with a real judge and a real jury.
Thanks for being as ambivalent as usual.
What ambivalency? Seems clear to me. Stop yelling at me spellcheck, it’s okay to invent a new word.
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Well, since so many folks are on Social Security, or trying?!!?!! Of course SS has most administrative law “judges”!