ICE Leaked These Asylum Seekers' Personal Information. A Court Just Dismissed Their Lawsuit.
“The victims may not have been persecuted or tortured due to the data breach yet, but the likelihood of those outcomes has increased due to ICE’s conduct.”

In November 2022, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) accidentally posted the names, birthdates, nationalities, and detention locations of over 6,000 migrants to the agency's website. Forty-nine affected migrants sued Acting ICE Director Patrick J. Lechleitner and other government officials over the data leak—but last week, the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia dismissed their suit.
The 49 migrants came to the U.S. to seek asylum, with many of them fleeing "gang violence, government retaliation, and persecution on the basis of protected grounds," noted last week's opinion. All of them were eventually detained by ICE. Then, in late November 2022, an ICE employee allegedly uploaded the personal information of 6,252 migrants—some of whom were in ICE custody at the time, and some who once were—to the agency's website, available for anyone to view or download. It was on the site for about five hours.
"We know the 20 columns of personal data about each victim were downloaded six times from [internet service providers] that ICE refuses to disclose to Congress or to the victims of the breach," said Curtis Lee Morrison, partner and attorney at Morrison Urena and the lead attorney representing the asylum seeker plaintiffs, in a statement.
That lack of transparency complicates the plaintiffs' immigration cases, notes Ellyn Jameson, staff attorney at the Capital Area Immigrants' Rights Coalition, which filed an amicus brief in support of the plaintiffs. "The plaintiffs face an uphill battle in proving that this breach increases the danger they face because our government has staunchly refused to reveal to them who accessed their information," she explains.
Some of the plaintiffs hail from repressive countries, such as Nicaragua and Venezuela, making it all the more risky for their personal information to be released. "The plaintiffs are justifiably afraid that the persecutors they already feared, including foreign governments, will be better able to locate or retaliate against them as a result of this information becoming public," says Jameson. One notable example of the fallout happened last December, when the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) "inadvertently tipped off the Cuban government…that some of the immigrants the agency sought to deport to the island nation had asked the U.S. for protection from persecution or torture," the Los Angeles Times reported.
The plaintiffs sought financial remedies, as well as "accommodations…so that their asylum and withholding claims can be considered or reconsidered in light of the data breach, with the presumption of risk created by the data breach being presumed." District Judge Royce C. Lamberth, in dismissing the suit, noted "the gravity of ICE's alleged failure to safeguard the data of vulnerable people in its custody."
The court ruled that the plaintiffs lacked Article III standing "to seek injunctive or declaratory relief because they have not alleged an ongoing or future violation of their rights by defendants." The court also held that their money damages claims under the Administrative Procedure Act, the Accardi doctrine, and the Due Process Clause are "barred by sovereign immunity because Congress has not consented to such suits."
"The victims may not have been persecuted or tortured due to the data breach yet, but the likelihood of those outcomes has increased due to ICE's conduct," says Morrison. "And the increased likelihood of those outcomes means [increased] anxiety and emotional distress for all the victims."
"In my view, that's injury," he continues. "To the Biden administration apparently, not so much."
Federal regulation mandates that the identities of asylum seekers be kept private. In an emailed statement, an ICE spokesperson noted that the release was "a breach of policy" and the agency is "taking all corrective actions necessary" to rectify it. An official told Axios last November that the government planned to contact those who had downloaded the migrants' information and request that they delete it. It also temporarily paused deportations for affected migrants.
Hannah Cartwright, executive director of Mariposa Legal, says that "ICE's response has been the barest of bare minimums." The agency "has refused to release information publicly about the scope of the breaches, refused to respond to [Freedom of Information Act (FOIA)] requests, and taken a hard-line defensive posture in the litigation of these ongoing cases in immigration court," she explains.
Immigration lawyers and advocacy groups tell Reason that they intend to keep pushing for transparency and solutions for the affected migrants. Immigrant Legal Defense, an immigration legal services nonprofit, filed a FOIA request last month seeking information from ICE and DHS about agency communications and the identities of those who accessed migrants' data. That request is pending.
"This decision sadly leaves the plaintiffs without much recourse, either in their immigration proceedings or their personal lives," says Jameson. "They entrusted our government with sensitive personal information as part of their efforts to receive protection here in the U.S., and our government simply did not handle that information with the care it deserved."
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End non-consensual funding of goods and services for foreign visitors.
Imagine hiking halfway across a continent, throwing your personal information at someone who doesn't want it, isn't consciously contractually obligated to protect it, and then getting mad that they didn't take care of it for you.
It's the Aidan Maese-Czeropski's defense of illegal immigrants.
Aidan Maese-Czeropski may be all for letting things slide in through the backdoor.
That sounds ILLEGAL.
Hello lefty shits:
ILLEGAL ILLEGAL ILLEGAL ILLEGAL ILLEGAL
Let's think about all the little ILLEGALS spending CHRISTMAS in detention without their families. And let's think about their TEARS.
Imagine an illegal without papers expecting to be treated like a human being? Hilarious!
Imagine a bank robber expecting to be welcomed like a client.
Because not having a government permission slip is the same as robbing a bank. Sure, buddy. Go drink some maple syrup.
Simpleton.
It kinda is, Sarc.
My mother is an immigrant to Canada. My brother and sister are immigrants to the USA. It cost them time and (lots of) money to become citizens. They had to prove that they had money and would be contributors, not drains, to the countries and their social safety nets.
The 38,000 people streaming into Texas each moth aren't doing that. Instead they are collapsing the system. Chewing back billions in support, and overwhelming hospitals, emergency services, housing and food services.
They're robbing America's bank in a different way, but they're definitely robbing.
Maybe if the US had an equivalent social safety net to the countries they are leaving we could evoke "open borders", but as it stands right now these people are relying on free shit from Americans.
Illegal immigration includes theft.
What other choice do they have? It's not like they're legally allowed to get a job and fend for themselves. Don't want them to abuse the system? Let them lift themselves out of it.
Maybe they could stay where they came from and work. That doesn't cost American taxpayers a penny.
The economy is not a zero-sum game.
Hey look, another bumper sticker phrase from sarc.
Hey look, R Mac doesn't know dick about economics.
I know the economy is not a zero-sum game. And nobody claimed it is.
Really? Most arguments against immigrants is based upon the assumption that it's a zero-sum game. There's a fixed pie and they're stealing from it. Do they grow the pie? Hell no! They steal jobs as if there's a fixed number of jobs out there, which is zero-sum thinking. So sure nobody explicitly said "The economy is a zero-sum game" but it's the premise of most their arguments.
Nobody said it, but sarc knows what they are thinking , but don’t do that to him!
The economy isn't a zero-sum game but the government-'guns' to resources is. Because get this ... 'guns' don't make sh*t!
HorseConch, "That doesn’t cost American taxpayers a penny."
The government-'guns' I just spoke of.
You realize the affected were all asylum seekers allegedly suffering persecution where they came from? Staying there likely wasn't an option.
Allegedly is doing a lot of work under the current circumstances.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t asylum seekers have to you know, seek asylum in the first safe country they can get to, thus this should be Mexico’s problem?
They all have valid asylum claims? Can I see you're cite? Even your Biden DHS has under a 10% asylum validity claim.
Mexico? Hell, these folks should have stopped way sooner than that if they're from Colombia and Venezuela.
I mean, unless people are saying that every country between there and here is a dangerous shithole.
I've heard Panama and Costa Rica are supposed to be decent. They might be more to their liking, temperature-wise.
I mean, compared to Venezuela or Colombia, Guatemala and Mexico sound pretty decent. And they have the same language.
almost none of the 'asylum seekers' are legitimate, this has been proven...they're for the most part economic migrants and the only thing they're escaping in their home country is a terrible economy created by a terrible government. While I don't blame them for wanting a better life we as a country have to have some control over this process...allowing millions of unknown people to pour into the country with no background checks etc is a recipe for disaster and besides we're allowing the cartels to make a killing (oftentimes literally!) off this mess charging these people $1000s each while exploiting and abusing many of them
38k? December is 300k.
Stop locking the doors at your house.
Undocumented checking withdrawal.
Reverse savings unaccount.
Imagine millions of illegal aliens that should not even be in the country getting flown around at our expense, getting welfare, housing, food stamps and cell phones. It's easy if you try.
They all should be immediately deported and forced to obey our laws in the first place which is to apply for asylum from the first country outside of the one they are fleeing from not from our border. Funny how the wave of illegals stopped when Trump put his foot down and Mexico realized they had to pay for them on their soil.
I just accidentally flagged two comments for review. Sorry!
Doesn't matter. The review file is round and has a fire in the bottom.
Huh. Logged out, saw the flagged comments. Logged back in, still flagged.
What's the point of flagging spam just for myself? What a screwy system.
You don't have to see it after you flag it. But no, flagging posts does not, in fact, do anything. Certainly nobody looks at the reports.
And it's definitely a good thing that people can't take posts down for others just by flagging them. Can you even imagine how the four stooges would abuse that ability?
Would that be before or after you flagged all of my comments?
And how the fuck would you know who the fuck is flagging your comments unless the flagger says he/she is doing so?
Not everything is personal, and not everything is about you, sarc.
Try reading the entire post that I replied to, instead of just the first sentence.
I did, dumbass. I'll repost NCW's comment just for you to reread it again.
Now, tell me, Sarc, where in the comment did NCW mention flagging all of your comments?
I have no need to flag all of his responses. Indeed, I would not even be able to, since I have him muted so I don't have to see them. Now, if only everyone else would ignore his drivel as well, we'd be able to skip the multiple daily threads of him saying stupid, wilfully ignorant shit, and a dozen people yelling back at him, trying to fix the unfixable.
There we go. He may as well have said he'd flag all my posts as a public service.
So now, Sarc, you're saying NCW implies that he would flag all of you comments even though he put you on mute? Did I get that right? Never mind that NCW never once mentioned flagging all of your comments, even if he could.
Don't be willfully stupid here, and don't try to gaslight us on the subject.
And you're white knighting for a guy that has me on mute. That's kind of funny.
"When you wrestle with a pig, you both get covered in shit. But the pig enjoys it."
I have him gray boxed. Problem solved. The only time I'm exposed to his drivel is when other commenters post quotes from him.
Many people say they flag sqrsly.... makes you think doesn't it.
I see "white knighting" is yet another term you fail to comprehend. You, yet again, as usual, said something really idiotic out of the blue that had little to nothing to do with the original comment (and yes, you've done this shit to me before as well, dip). Are you that hard up to start a fight this morning? It seems as if that is your raison d'etre here in the commentariat, start a war with someone that you can never actually win or even finish, but continue to blast away form the protective shelter of a nom de plume. Did it ever occur to you to just read a comment, not take anything from it personally against you, not take it as an indictment of you, and not start a battle of ever escalating comments here?
Blah blah blah I'll be sure to let you guys know when I give a shit.
sarcasmic 59 seconds ago
Blah blah blah I’ll be sure to let you guys know when I give a shit.
Obviously you do or you wouldn't have replied. As I stated previously, you have a tendency to start battles you cannot win nor can you finish, and this statement of yours is demonstrative of that. "Blah blah blah" as you yet again retreat from that battle while still firing a salvo from the safety of your nom de plume. You claim to be interested in "ideas" and "discussion"; however, you only seem to be interested in a bar brawl.
To be fair... sarc claims a lot of things to be true that are really false.
And his self delusion levels are off the charts.
Can you even imagine how the four stooges would abuse that ability?
There'd be a whole metric shit-ton of gray boxes in a thread 400-500 comments long. You'd swear you logged into White Mike's account.
Hah! Indeed.
Mike drop
The only readable comments would be SQRLSY rants about how, without Section 230, trolls would destroy these comment sections.
Those are never readable. 😉
It's funny Reason is concerned about the potential ID theft of illegals, when I'm concerned about all the spending on illegals from taxes the government made me pay. Further the steps they're taking to correct the situation cost tax money as well.
Whose freedom is Reason/Harrington defending and why are they supporting government spending for immigrants?
Courts are for people with papers, not illegals without papers.
Not sure how courts are there for people not subject to our laws and all.
Sarc’s got his immigration talking point, and he’s gonna shoehorn it into every immigration topic no matter how tortured.
They don't have diplomatic immunity. Of course they're subject to our laws.
So, immigration laws. Got it. We don't tend to protect the info of criminals.
This sucks. Someone might steal their identity... or the identity of the person they stole theirs from...
Doesn't seem like an injury to me. If they sustain a future injury, they can bring suit then.
It isnt even as big as normal leaks.
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/irs-data-leak-exposes-personal-info-of-120-000-taxpayers/
And then 22.1M foe the dod to China.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Personnel_Management_data_breach
I wonder how those 120,000 taxpayers voted?
How many of them know they voted?
Fun story about a guy in NY registering voters, applying for ballot drop off rights, and only 1 of the 20 noticing.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democrat-charged-voter-fraud-scheme-dozens-absentee-ballots
Would this be similar to the Air Force records of political candidates being leaked, or are those the wrong kind of victims?
It’s just a coincidence they were all (R). Also yes, wrong kind of victim.
If you had a college degree in woke intersectionality DEI, you would know they are not on any approved victim lists.
During the eesistance, the media had lots of interviews with federal workers admitting they used government databases for political reasons.
Ah, yeah, the good old days back when IL Senate Candidate Jack Ryan (R) and his wife, Jeri, asked that the (civil) records of their divorce proceedings remain closed and a CA court just happened to throw his political opponent, Barack Obama (D), a bone and release the documents containing the sordid details of how Jack wanted to have sex with his then-(and still now, hot-)wife.
Just about every way Obama got into a political office seems to be fraught with skullduggery of some kind or another where he kicks his primary opponents off the ballot, gets divorce records unsealed, or manages to get the DNC to hamstring Hillary. What a swell motherfucker.
gets divorce records unsealed
Still fairly fresh out of the cornfields of IN, I was dead certain at the time that the IL-GOP was in on the whole thing. The records were unsealed and it was revealed that... he wanted to have sex with his then-(and still now, hot-)wife at a sex club, she refused, and nothing else happened... according to his wife... at the divorce/custody hearing. The IL-GOP at the time asked him to step down and replaced him with Alan "God himself would not vote for Barack Obama" Keyes.
Looking back now, it all looks like pre-gaming by an over-arching DNC/GOPe regime: He wanted to do sexy stuff and you Conservatives don't like candidates like Bill Clinton who like sexy stuff right?! The guy we replaced him with is black *and* invoked God in his campaigning and you Conservatives are always talking about God so he's the guy you'd choose or want representing you, right?
We've called it "The Combine", the Democrats in the state with GOPe sycophants.
"with the presumption of risk created by the data breach being presumed."
They should have applied to the department of redundancy department.
You shouldn’t make that presumption.
Can I presume the redundancy if presumption could be assumed again?
Especially if they want their claims considered or reconsidered in light of the presumed presumption that wasn't considered or reconsidered during any prior considerations or reconsiderations.
One notable example of the fallout happened last December, when the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) "inadvertently tipped off the Cuban government…that some of the immigrants the agency sought to deport to the island nation had asked the U.S. for protection from persecution or torture," the Los Angeles Times reported.
I have a hard time believing DHS does anything "inadvertently".
??? They're a bureaucracy, a government bureaucracy to boot, and one full of special people who don't have to obey normal laws. Of course they make more mistakes than normal!
But progressives keep telling me Cuba is wonderful, a beacon of all we should aspire to with the free education and medicine. Certainly nothing bad is going on there.
Get in line and wait your turn behind the 22 million OPM hacked victims.
Wonder what good Liz wrote to delay the roundup.
Uhh ... nothing?
That's a jolly good question, where is the Roundup this morning? However, I know it's the Friday of a holiday weekend so we may not see it today (or Monday).
Maybe she got suspended for writing libertarian articles.
Almost as bad as mean tweets.
Probably worse, in Management's eyes.
Her last headline wasn't orangemanbad enough and KMW made her sit in the corner.
I much prefer the mental picture that she just woke up like 20 min. ago, coughed out some smoke from the last bong hit before she dumped the kid on the 'rents and settled in for a long winter's nap, and is frantically scrambling "OH SHIT! I FORGOT THE ROUNDUP!"
Had Eva Nolan Braun still been doing the Roundup, its absence today could be attributed to yesterday’s Twitter/X outage.
I wish I could still say I was surprised that the government has exempted itself from regulations (such as the breach disclosure laws) that they impose on the rest of us.
But these were regulations for their own employees to follow.
One might almost think the regulations were created as a smoke screen. But government would never do that.
People in government aren't expected to follow the law. Heck, courts say ignorance of the law is an excuse if you enforce it. No, they have policies to follow. Not the law. And when someone doesn't follow policy they get a very stern lecture. Followed by a wink.
You’re perfectly fine with thousands of people breaking the law every day, you dumb fuck.
https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1737885732792844350?t=fsF0LjB44IZ6F5bgyZvHHQ&s=19
Jill Biden's press secretary Michael LaRosa was 'forced out' of White House after he 'tried to take gay dates' to his room on secure floor of hotel where president was staying during NATO summit in Madrid
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https://twitter.com/wesyang/status/1738204085415780688?t=SAPJ_dKE_eJXd_7GVOxCLw&s=19
The software updates to the political cult go out regularly so that every person, without exception, with pronouns in bio, anti-racist praxis in personal statement, land acknowledgment in personal introduction, reference to the North American continent as "Turtle Island" will also be a tacit or explicit Hamas supporter
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I have no clue what that word salad means. The underlying rape dismissal is incredible.
When did this bizarre idea arise that middle easterners are not white?
... Or that they are not colonizers and slavers?
Some of the plaintiffs hail from repressive countries, such as Nicaragua and Venezuela, making it all the more risky for their personal information to be released. "The plaintiffs are justifiably afraid that the persecutors they already feared, including foreign governments, will be better able to locate or retaliate against them as a result of this information becoming public," says Jameson. One notable example of the fallout happened last December, when the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) "inadvertently tipped off the Cuban government…that some of the immigrants the agency sought to deport to the island nation had asked the U.S. for protection from persecution or torture," the Los Angeles Times reported.
I'm confused here. Are these migrants which were not granted asylum and will be returning to their countries? Are these migrants who are worried they have family left behind who might be persecuted? Or are they worried that the Venezuelan government will reach out to them in their new digs stateside and oppress them? Serious question.
Yeah, I somehow doubt there was no danger until this data was released.
The way I read the article was that they were concerned about Maduro's shadowy hand reaching them here in the States.
Well, to be fair, what would stop Maduro from coming here and doing something?
I see your point.
The "Silent Depression".
https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/has-silent-depression-already-started-united-states
If you look back to the Great Depression, the house was only three times the average salary. Now, it is eight times the average salary,” Smith said. “The car was 46% of the salary, the car today is 85% of the salary. And here’s the craziest part, the rent was 16% of the average salary, it is now 42% of the average salary.”
But inflation “plunged” this month, from 3.6% to 3.2%, so victory!
It's only "silent" because the captive legacy media refuses to mention it.
Sounds like the typical leftist spiel about inequality except it's blaming Biden.
How? How does it sound like a spiel about inequality? I'm not seeing it. seems to be all about inflation.
Indeed, it is. Someone here feels the necessity to label it "boaf sidez" just for the sake of being able to have "boaf sidez". It's a deflection technique so that certain someone can come across as "The One True Libertarian" who doesn't take sides while taking a side.
I'm just pointing out that leftists pull out similar numbers and similar arguments to say that the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer by pointing to what could be purchased with a salary then vs now.
Same old tired shit.
But you're buying it because it blames Biden.
Did it ever occur to you that I might post the article regardless of who is President merely because some of us have been noticing that the rate of inflation has severely increased since the beginning of 2020, even when Trump was President, and that the rate of inflation, using the older, pre-1980 calculation, has not seemed to be slowing? What's the price of groceries like for you since 2020?
Nope. Never for a moment did that occur to me. I don't know why it would.
No, if Trump was president I'm quite certain you'd be quoting an article spinning the same numbers to put all the blame on Democrats.
Right.
If some leftist retard like Krugman was pushing a similar narrative, but blaming corporations instead of Biden, you'd say it was a bunch of shit.
And you have evidence supporting your assumption, Sarc? Or are you merely claiming we're a bunch of "cultists" yet again?
Krugman would use the same numbers and say the cause it stagnant wages and corporate greed, then blame Republicans for catering to the rich.
And based upon how you guys usually react to anyone saying boo about Republicans, yes I believe my assumption is correct. But you are correct in that it is an assumption. I could be wrong. But I doubt it.
Sarc, you do know about people who assume, don't you? Ass-u-me.
The leftist version is that the corporations and ceos are stealing from the workers with stagnant wages resulting in inequality, and they'll point to what a salary could buy then vs now.
Same tired screed.
Retard.
Are you saying that it’s all wrong and the economy is doing gang busters? I admit, I don’t understand your line of reasoning in your replies in this thread.
But both can be true (if you believe hard enough).
The economy is doing great, so vote for Biden!
-and-
The economy is terrible and people need government help, so vote for Biden!
Win/win. And Biden may be the only candidate on the ballot in your state so it's actually a win/win/win.
Do the one-party ballots come with candidates pre-selected? That would save us all time.
I'm thinking why even bother having ballots at all, we can just let the CO supreme court decide who the 'correct' candidate is for us and save us all the hassle of voting...
And Biden may be the only candidate on the ballot in your state so it’s actually a
win/win/winWIN!.Win/win/win is too much winning. Nobody needs more than one kind of winning.
with many of them fleeing "gang violence, government retaliation, and persecution on the basis of protected grounds,"
So there came here? To go to NYC or Chicago or LA?
Deport them for terminal stupidity.
(They cane here to get more money)
This kind of goes against Fiona's narratives...
https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_0b68987c-a05a-11ee-a8aa-37d1834494c3.html
So, um, Fiona, any comment?
Two words: Food Trucks.
Cultural enrichment.
But... I was told that all immigrants increase the wealth of the average citizen. This must be more far right wing fascist Nazi lies.
/s, just in case.
Should have used /sarcasmic
Ew. Why would I want to claim that association?
Commentariat webathon to fund transporting illegals to Fiona’s neighborhood.
I'll put in a Benjamin.
I still say we need to give them her address and the keys to her front door, though.
GoFioundaMe
"Some of the plaintiffs hail from repressive countries, such as Nicaragua and Venezuela, making it all the more risky for their personal information to be released."
Wait, these are supposed to be socialist paradises, at least according to the same people that believe in open borders.
Fuck off, Fiona.
The whole asylum application process shouldn't be thing in the first place! Anyone who can pass a criminal background check as the arrive should be allowed to enter and remain here for as long as they want to stay as long as they support themselves while here. The most that should be required of them is to post a bond to cover the cost of sending them back out of the country if they fail to support themselves while here. I could not care less WHY they want to come to the United States of America and have no desire to support them financially even if they face torture and death back in their home country. Next question!
This may be the most reasonable thing I have seen you post here about immigration. So, props.
And by the way, if the United States of America had not been interfering around the world in every way imaginable, both officially and covertly, we would not have to feel guilty about the social fallout or responsible for the victims. Let people around the world try to solve their own damned social and political problems!
I've heard it convincingly argued by classical liberals that the brain drain from immigrant nations is a disservice to those nations since the smart, educated, and unhappy with the status quo are the most likely to leave therefore the United States is assisting those nations repressive governments by removing potential reformers before they become reformers.
Another consequence of our current 'system', if you can call it that, is that we end up importing other nations cultural disputes which just reinforces American intervention abroad.
Not saying I necessarily agree with that, but it's notable that even the intellectually honest leftists can see the problem. It's government and the moron class that nod along to whatever a President says that are largely the problem here.
As for myself, if we take a wrecking ball to social safety net programs and several other Federal institutions I'd be more than happy to revert to the 1700's immigration policy in the United States.
What, a nation with mostly open borders, minimal social welfare (and minimal government in general), and shared national ethics about self-sufficiency, liberty, and tolerance?
Never happen.
It's a beautiful dream, though.
No, it likely won't happen but that doesn't change the fact that those are necessary preconditions for myself and others like me to support any type of open borders. If the government and citizenry want to keep the expansive welfare state and intrusive government, then limited immigration with preconditions is what you get.
Keeping the status quo while having unlimited immigration was overruled during the Civil War and it already has a name: slavery or indentured servitude. I suppose the individual can always choose to go home so it's at least a more forgiving brand of the same old thing.
What, a nation with mostly open borders, minimal social welfare (and minimal government in general), and shared national ethics about self-sufficiency, liberty, and tolerance?
Keep in mind that, at the time, to join the system of national ethics you had to walk, ride, hack, shoot, trap, and cook your way to get through the 'open borders' or maybe/maybe not survive a boat ride and spend several years as an indentured servant. Today, you would be able to Uber your way in while listening to Das Kapital or The 1619 Project en Espanol on your phone.
“…removing potential reformers before they become reformers.”
I think it could just as easily be argued that we saved those potential reformers before they got murdered by their government.
The whole asylum application process shouldn’t be thing in the first place! Anyone who can pass a criminal background check as the arrive should be allowed to enter and remain here for as long as they want to stay as long as they support themselves while here.
So, uh, I hate to be the whole rubber-meets-the-road implementation guy who makes you look like a retard, but when you say "pass a criminal background check" to what background record system and criminal/judicial social structure are you referring?
Also, along the same lines, if someone like, say, Kim Jong Un shows up at the US border, says "I'm here to murder my brother who's hiding on for... I mean work." do we have to actually file the paperwork for the background check with the North Korean government (assuming they have such a system) and wait for the "Pass" back from them or can we just save time and money and assume it will come back "Pass"?
Not to defend asylum seekers or impugn foreign dictators or paper pushers or anything, just trying to clarify whether your 30,000 ft. view is actually looking from 30,000 ft. or if you just took a bong hit and are sure you've solved immigration.
gang violence, government retaliation, and persecution on the basis of protected grounds
Gang violence?
Since when has that been grounds for asylum?
And why would they flee here? I was told school shootings and gang violence happens only in America.
https://twitter.com/RadioGenoa/status/1737755350239973811?t=EYoWczmoroEO7OVVHdE9yA&s=19
In Germany they explain to asylum seekers how to put on a condom and that European women should be courted and not molested. We are speechless. What do you think?
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I think at least they're saying something about it, rather than the US response of "all cultures are equally valid!"
I don't know exactly what that was but the Twitter text and insinuation over the top of it is a bit... uh... discovered after being lost in translation.
My parents, brother, and I are all fairly fluent in German (maybe not my brother, it's been a while). I also have two HS students who learn/speak German. If those asylum seekers just got off the boat, they speak German better than someone who's spent a couple years doing it.
Something that should be clear through the language barrier to any man, or woman familiar with men, or condoms, is that the woman @0:23 has no fucking clue what she's doing with her french nails on a couple of levels and a/the immigrant corrects her.
A bit to your point, maybe they are asylum seekers or just immigrants with some kind of German cultural connection that the government is using to further naturalize other immigrants and asylum seekers. To wit, ausgezeichnet!
I don’t know exactly what that was
A bit below my "A German explaining German sexual mores to non-Germans? This I gotta see!" expectations.
Fair, I didn't try to use my quarter century old German to try and chew through it.
https://twitter.com/Oilfield_Rando/status/1738239388042059832?t=iNCQUhm2n1zOfenTnsA8nA&s=19
The DEI-zation of every institution is so vital to the communist movement that it warrants a personal call from the God King of community organizers when it gets in trouble
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Hey the phone still works!
https://twitter.com/Babygravy9/status/1738138210578899377?t=d5xqG2yC1LFNpp1IR6A6UA&s=19
>Unprecedented immigration to the UK (750k net migrants last year).
>0 economic growth. Economy actually shrinks.
It's almost as if the economic arguments for mass immigration are total bunk and there's really some other reason why the government won't stop importing people...
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> but the likelihood of those outcomes has increased due to ICE’s conduct.”
If they're not safe here, perhaps they should apply for asylum in some other place?
Cuba! The left keeps telling me it's a wonderful place.
Maybe Reason is right. Have them each earn/pay $212,500 (the actual grafting price this nation has accrued) as a public servant and give them citizenship. Now that Roe v Wade has destroyed the 13th Amendment immigrant slavery can now become a real thing at the state level. They'll all just being 'saving' life with their labors.
That would also eliminate the socialist armed-theft from getting into the country because armed-theft advocates have no desire to *earn* anything. That's why they are socialists (to steal from those who do work).
Who gives a shit. They are vermin poisoning the blood of the country. Just shoot them and dump their bodies in a ditch. That is all that vermin deserve.
OK, so we now know you consider them vermin. Nice to know what terminology you use, Jeffy.
They'll deserve otherwise once they've actually *earned* otherwise by respecting the nation they wish to become a part of.
The self-entitlement victim-hood play of your, "If I can't invade and poison the blood of the country then I'm just vermin." is completely laughable. It's like a pre-schooler kicking and screaming on the floor that if he/she doesn't get their neighbors candy stash right now someone just as well dump them in a ditch....
Some of the plaintiffs hail from repressive countries, such as Nicaragua and Venezuela, making it all the more risky for their personal information to be released. "The plaintiffs are justifiably afraid that the persecutors they already feared, including foreign governments, will be better able to locate or retaliate against them as a result of this information becoming public," says Jameson.
That's some weapons-grade cognitive dissonance going on there.
"The victims may not have been persecuted or tortured due to the data breach yet, but the likelihood of those outcomes has increased due to ICE's conduct."
Uh huh. I bet the chances of that are much less than the odds that at least one of those illegal aliens rapes or kills a real American.
Excluding underage children, since when are law breakers entitled to anonymity?
Again, these migrants need to be sent to wealthier white suburbs. THEIR schools, parks and hotels should be emptied out to accommodate the future Americans. Black Chicagoans are 100% correct in resenting that their communities have to bear the brunt of the human wave, while rich towns get off scot free.
I'm supposed to believe gangs in Nicaragua and Venezuela are as dangerous as Russia? Is that why there probably 10 times as many south american migrants than Ukrainians, who actually fled a war zone and might be subject to a draft?
This is insane. The writers here would lose their minds if Donald Trump called these countries shitholes. But in the name of asylum, they conveniently become the next third reich.