DeSantis Returns To 'Too Online' Roots With Debate Comments About Trans Kids
While transgender issues dominated Wednesday's debate, polls suggest that the subject is far from the top of voters' minds.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is diving back into the culture war, opening his remarks at Wednesday night's Republican presidential debate with extensive comments about transgender youth.
"I did a bill in Florida to stop the gender mutilation of minors. It's child abuse and it's wrong," DeSantis said. "If you're not willing to stand up for the kids, if you're not willing to stand up and say that it is wrong to mutilate these kids, then you're not going to fight for the people back home."
DeSantis had focused less on culture-war issues in recent months, so the comments seemed to signal a return to his position as a "too online" candidate who keeps talking about topics like trans teens. But he wasn't the only person onstage last night who dived into the subject.
"I actually said [DeSantis'] 'Don't Say Gay' bill didn't go far enough," former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Hayley commented, "because it only talked about gender until the third grade. And I said it shouldn't be done at all."
"Transgenderism is a mental disorder," Vivek Ramaswamy added later, describing trans medical care as "genital mutilation" and "chemical castration."
Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie was the sole participant to voice a distinctly small-government stance on the issue—one that positions parents as better suited than government to make decisions about treatment for kids with gender dysphoria.
"Republicans believe in less government, not more, and less involvement with government, not more," Christie said. "As a father of four, I believe there is no one who loves my children more than me. There's no one who loves my children more than my wife. There's no one who cares more about their success and health and life than we do. Not some government bureaucrat."
Will any of this move voters? According to a 2022 poll from Pew Research, 72 percent of Republicans said they'd support making it illegal for individuals under 18 to medically transition; 59 percent agreed with a proposed law to investigate parents for child abuse if they help their children medically transition. But less than a third of conservative Republicans—and less than a quarter of moderate Republicans—said they followed trans-related bills closely. In a Gallup survey last month, less than .5 percent of respondents listed LGBT rights as a top issue, far less than such subjects as inflation or immigration.
So while transgender issues have become an enduring part of our culture war—and a central part of Wednesday's presidential debate—voters themselves seem to have a rather limited interest in the topic.
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Bullshit.
Gender dysphoria is bullshit.
Female genital mutilation was bullshit. Are you walking that back?
Christie supports child abuse.
Fuck off, statists. Child mutilation is child mutilation.
That is a pretty wild distortion of what he actually said.
And it's appalling that you use the insult "statist" against the one candidate who is actually arguing against using the power of the state.
I put minor gender mutilation in the same degree as murder, worse than rape, because it's permanent.
If Christie suggested the government get out of the murder prosecution business, would you say he was promoting smaller government?
And don't quibble about federal vs state. He's complaining that DeSantis, as a state governor, should butt out of minor gender mutilation.
FWIW, if I could choose a society to live in, there would be no government prosecutors, just victims or their guardians.
But as long as I live under a government which claims to have a monopoly on criminal prosecution, then they damn well better prosecute child abuse in the form of irreversible genital mutilation.
What horseshit. We've already heard Christie's argument a hundred times from the Democrats (who definitely don't mean it) when trying to justify child castration, and we know exactly who Christie is signaling to.
The people he is trying to sell his book to.
Why Megan Kelly destroyed him when she talked about his polling numbers.
There is zero limiting factor on Christie's words to protect against child abuse. None.
Question for you. Who is the primary funder of medical care for gender dysphoria? Hint. The state.
And it’s appalling that you use the insult “statist” against the one candidate who is actually arguing against using the power of the state.
Christie, and all the people who support this are directly fighting for the expansion of the power of the state to enable state agents to secretly convince your children that they're sexually confused, to give state agents the power to teach children to lie to their parents --and then imprison those parents if they question any part of this.
The people on the other side want the laws that have already been enacted to support this, as well as the rules and regulations set forth, to be repealed, vacated, and discarded.
The laws they want enforced are the ones already extant. Laws that are being ignored because trans activists don't like them.
You can tell a website is lIbErTaRiAn when it decides whether a take is good or bad by asking "how much do voters care about it?"
And you can tell that a movement is doomed when it doesn't care about culture.
Need to be eighteen to get gender reassignment surgery. Is already the law. Genital mutilation is not happening. However...
Hormone blockers are happening. To me personally this is wrong. Should it be illegal however? Do we send in the police with guns and troops and prisons to arrest someone because they sell a pill? This is a tougher nut to crack. My mom likes to say, "But it's not right it should be outlawed!" But when it's outlawed that means police with guns and bullets and troops to back them up and prisons. One must stop and think very hard before outlawing something.
Still I would err on the side of caution and outlaw the use of hormone blockers on minors without medical need. But regardless, this falls under the jurisdiction of the state government, not the federal government. I am with Christie in that we should be for smaller and less intrusive government. This isn't an issue for a Presidential debate.
Ah gee yes, let's pretend that brainwashing kids into gender dysphoria and going along with gender mutilation is the same as someone smoking a joint.
Even heroin, if legal, would be as safe as anything legal could be, and not irreversible like gender mutilation.
Grow up. Pretend to have a brain.
"Need to be eighteen to get gender reassignment surgery. Is already the law. Genital mutilation is not happening."
This is a lie. Not a little one, not a misapprehension. A giant fucking lie.
Hundreds of minors, as young as twelve, have had gender reassignment surgery in the last five years.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/
In the Reuters link go down to "Top Surgeries" for the 13-17 figures.
In addition there is this:
"The Komodo analysis of insurance claims found 56 genital surgeries among patients ages 13 to 17 with a prior gender dysphoria diagnosis from 2019 to 2021."
That was just the insurance claims. Most insurance companies don't cover sex change operations, so the real number of butcheries will be far higher.
Even sarcasmic eventually stopped spouting that lie.
Only because Mike left.
>>Genital mutilation is not happening.
proven false multiple times what are you doing?
Is Mike back? Your first sentence has been disproven here dozens of times.
Maybe Mike left to undergo a sex change. I wish Mike luck in his new life as a man.
"As a father of four, I believe there is no one who loves my children more than me."
Well, Governor, if you disagree with a "gender affirming care" physician about the course of treatment, that physician will not unlikely decide that he loves your children more than you do and try to use the government to overrule your decision.
And while he claimed Kelly was lying...she was not. His rules on it did have schools keeping such info about stuff like from parents.
That is not a pro-parents position at all.
Christie is simply trying to thread the needle, the more children who transition, the fewer gay people will be left. Should be pretty appealing bait.
"While transgender issues dominated Wednesday's debate, polls suggest that the subject is far from the top of voters' minds."
Polls of . . . Democrats?
But even that wouldn't make sense - Dems are pushing trans really hard.
They didn't poll the commenters here. It would have been tops by a wide margin.
You know, I'm really looking forward to when the lawsuits start up. Hopefully, the cheerleaders for genital mutilation can get themselves added to the liability bandwagon.
They have already started, but just a trickle. The flood is the only thing going to stop it.
It's this kind of slight of hand trickery that the staff here loves to do when a topic shifts from popular in their eyes to being unpopular. The other article about Christie's position had flimsy evidence pointing to allowing kids to be medically castrated and now this one comes along and says "voters don't care".
While others in the comment section talk about bills and laws that will take parents rights away _to_ transition kids, we don't see that kind of fervor from the editorial staff as well. In fact they are pretty quiet about it.
Listen I know the editorial staff wants freedom over everything, but they are losing sight about how one should maximize freedom. That means we push for the rights of parents to make decisions for their kids but we don't let them rape or even kill their kids, even if the kids are 'consenting'. There is a boundary, a line to cross. And it's damn shame that modern day Aztec sacrifices seem okay to the Reason staff.
And frankly this is a problem I'm seeing. Alot of the folks here already have a decision about whatever position and seem to struggle to fit that within the framework of libertarianism. It's not "being a true libertarian", it's leveraging it as a tool to accomplish whatever agenda they have to start with. It's troubling and needs to be addressed.
If it's more of a philosophy, then struggle with other aspects of this issue: informed consent, the non aggression principle, etc. What I see here is something already decided by the editorial staff and shoehorn articles like this trying to justify. It's just weak.
And another thing: since there are boundaries that do exist, do you want government or culture to drive it? We all agree that less government is best for all, but to discard culture itself like this article does is again a slight of hand act. There are people with many grievances that have great points that should be heard so we as a culture can derive the best fit for it moving forward. But to attack or discard the culture or the act of influencing culture itself is a back door way to invite government action. When voices are being shouted down people will ultimately turn to a blunt stick.
>>positions parents as better suited than government to make decisions about treatment for kids with gender dysphoria.
child mutilation is parental abuse and medical malpractice there is no philosophical angle from which to argue "good".
And then we have circumcision, which as a form of genital mutilation should also be outlawed for children. though this is a third rail, for obvious reasons.
>>for obvious reasons
the ones you reference don't happen in hospitals by medical professionals but nice mask removal.
Circumcision's like pierced ears. Incomparable to castrating someone.
These amoral fucks always make these hyperbolic kind of comparisons. "They cut off his nutsack? Yes, but there's parents who cut off their kids hair, have their teeth drilled and pulled and chop off the end of their toenails!!!"
Circumcision is permanent genital mutilation. It's not as extreme as FGM or reassignment surgery, for sure. And it seems to be pretty standard, for legit health reasons, here in the US.
But nonetheless it qualifies as something parents should not be permitted to impose on their minor children according to the principles espoused by most posters on this thread.
So perhaps you lot think that limited forms of genital mutilation are permissible and the state shouldn't intervene.
FWIW I was circumcised by a mohel, as one might expect, and I have never felt violated as a result but I cannot speak for every Jewish man.
And pierced ears are permanent earlobe mutilation but don't you dare fucking compare it with castration you psychopath, and the same goes for circumcision.
Losing a bit of insignificant loose skin is nothing to completely being deprived of sexual function. It's not even in the same galaxy of equivalence.
I personally think circumcision is pointless but to compare it to castration and clitorectomies, or bloody holes gouged into a crotch is depraved.
And that goes double for your next to last lobotomy.
Not to mention, once again, circumcised people aren’t injecting not-at-all-secret circumcision plots into Disney movies and campaigning in FL and CA to allow schoolteachers to push kids into circumcision without their parent’s knowledge or permission. To say nothing of the refuting biology, reversing women’s rights, and forcing Orwellian newspeak on anyone and everyone by law.
It’s a stupid, sick, twisted, evil deflection that stupid fucking sealions will defend with “It’s OK if I lie to you and everyone else because I myself am circumcised.” like Michael Moore holding up his NRA membership card in Bowling for Columbine or any racist claiming their black friends as if anyone at this point buys the retard charade. The stupid, evil, shitheel sealions can’t be clubbed to death hard enough or fast enough.
But nonetheless it qualifies as something parents should not be permitted to impose on their minor children according to the principles espoused by most posters on this thread.
[bites apple] Which posters? Name them. Which posters said, “I think chemical castration and the total destruction of an individual’s sexual and reproductive function should be banned as equal to circumcision.”? If it’s most, you should be able to come up with a pretty hefty list and demonstrate it pretty easily.
Fuckwad.
Better posters than you argued against baby boy circumcision in the past (convincingly I might add), but they weren’t stupid enough to compare it to clitorectomy or castration.
Still a technical violation of the child’s autonomy, but nowhere near the same playing field.
Better posters than you argued against baby boy circumcision in the past (convincingly I might add), but they weren’t stupid enough to compare it to clitorectomy or castration.
IIRC, they were the worst.
Ha!
The craft of making something a Nazi-Empire building 'emergency' that initially nobody gave a rats *ss about is exactly what's been going on in this [Na]tional So[zi]alist invaded nation.
As-if "The sky is falling!" cries from chicken-little building the most dictation the nation has ever seen didn't perfectly demonstrate that.
Nazi-media indoctrinating "the people" what to think/care about which is obviously that "the peoples" law over the Nazi-Empire should be ignored for insane "sky is falling" emergencies that don't exist in reality.
Transableism.
Defend it. I dare you.