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Environmentalism

Back to the Caves

Plus: Repatriating African art, Columbia's best and brightest, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 12.5.2023 9:30 AM

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Fossil fuel drama: "Absolutely not," said Abdulaziz bin Salman, the Saudi Arabian minister of energy, on TV when asked if his country would agree to the fossil fuel phase-down currently being drawn up at the United Nations' COP28 climate talks in Dubai. Abdulaziz "called out countries pushing for a phase out of fossil fuel for hypocrisy, saying that if they believed in it they should just get on with it," reports Bloomberg. 

"I'm not naming names," added Abdulaziz, whose country has been exploring carbon capture technology as a possible solution. "But those countries who really believe in phasing out and phasing down hydrocarbons, you should come out and put together a plan for how in starting 1st of January 2024."

Meanwhile, the COP28 president is being raked through the coals for a soundbite questioning "the scientific basis for calls to phase out fossil fuels in order to keep global warming to 1.5 C," per Bloomberg, part of comments Sultan Al Jaber—an oil executive who is leading this climate summit—made in late November during a debate with the former Irish president. 

"A phase down and a phase out of fossil fuel in my view is inevitable—it is essential," said Al Jaber, "but we need to be real, serious and pragmatic about it. There is no science out there, or no scenario out there, that says that the phase out of fossil fuel is what's going to achieve 1.5." 

Into the caves we go: Al Jaber also said that a full phase-out of fossil fuels would "take the world back into caves." Some scientists and activists have not welcomed Al Jaber's blunt realism, but have said his comments are "verging on climate denial." 

To be sure, Al Jaber has been properly criticized for a possible conflict of interest, as he is also the CEO of the Emirati state-owned oil and gas company, ADNOC. But he's correct to weigh tradeoffs and to point to the fact that world leaders need a more concrete plan, since toothless U.N. agreements don't really cut it.

It was only back in 2015 that 195 countries agreed, at an earlier summit in Paris, to limit global temperatures to below 2 degrees Celsius to blunt the very worst impacts of climate change. But the agreement "lack[ed] an enforcement mechanism," and "an analysis by Climate Action Tracker found that, as of 2021, none of the nations with large-scale emissions had instituted climate pledges in keeping with the 1.5-degree target," per a New York Times analysis.

Chris Christie erasure? Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie has just barely met the threshold to be present on the GOP debate stage tomorrow, per an announcement by the Republican National Committee yesterday. He will join former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley, current Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, and TikTok user Vivek Ramaswamy on the debate stage. Frontrunner Donald Trump will be skipping this debate, as he has done for all others this season, in favor of a fundraising event. If you have masochistic tendencies, tune in at 8 p.m. ET tomorrow.


Scenes from New York:  

I wanted to bring some holiday cheer, and write something festive, but the Columbia crazies keep derailing my plans with their straight-up Hamas apologism: 

https://twitter.com/CSSW4Palestine/status/1731458833870885224


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  1. JesseAz   1 year ago

    In a bit of good news, appeals court suspends Mackey sentence as it reviews appeal.

    https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/appeals-court-stays-sentence-pro-trump-memester-douglass-mackey-pending

    1. JesseAz   1 year ago

      Dem Rep Sheila Jackson puts out television add with wrong voting date. Ik sure she will be arrested like Mackey was.

      https://www.foxnews.com/politics/houston-mayoral-candidate-sheila-jackson-lee-tells-supporters-vote-wrong-date

      1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

        With luck, it will be a no knock 2:00am raid.

        1. Longtobefree   1 year ago

          What part of (D) don't you understand?

          1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

            I don't understand damned near anything D related, honestly.

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    2. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      They need to start disbarring these judges and prosecutors and looking into conspiracy charges.

      1. Ersatz   1 year ago (edited)

        vehemently agree!

        start with impeaching i suppose..

        1. Social Justice is neither   1 year ago

          I'd prefer tar and feathers but if impeachment is all that is on the table I guess it will do.

          1. mad.casual   1 year ago

            Once he's "impeached former" it's only like a misdemeanor assault charge if you hit him in the face with a thrown shoe (assuming he doesn't die), right?

      2. JesseAz   1 year ago

        It would be nice if these political acts turned on appeal at least effected their future employment, but it seems to be a requirement for a dem nod or appointment to special counsel.

        1. HorseConch   1 year ago

          Lifetime appointments aren't such a good thing when all of the appointments are rubber stamped by corrupt politicians.

  2. JesseAz   1 year ago (edited)

    As was shown in these threads and 100 years of study….

    Masks don’t stop respiratory viruses.

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/prestigious-science-journals-confirm-censored-views-masks-best-dont

    1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      Nuh uh!

      /jeff

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        No JFree?

        1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

          "No, JFree!"

    2. Ajsloss   1 year ago

      But two masks would!

    3. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

      The study that you cite was specifically about mask *mandates* for *children*. Try being honest about your own references.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

        How about this, Jeffy, unless you're using a half-face respirator, minimum, with P100 (HEPA) filters, and have both been medically cleared and fit tested for the respirator, they don't fucking work. Those cloth, surgical, and N/KN95 things are a sick joke to use on a virus (pun intended).

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

          they don’t fucking work.

          No - it is that they don't work 100%. Why is it always all-or-nothing with you people?

          1. Chumby   1 year ago

            All or nothing like, “If people don’t voluntarily wear these face diapers, they should be made mandatory?”

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

              Oh, and you can point to where I said that? Answer: you cannot because that is not what I said. You are misrepresenting it as usual.

              1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

                Fuck off, gasbag. Masks were mandatory and you implicitly defended that.

              2. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                fuck off ML. no one cares anymore that you think I'm a Nazi.

                1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

                  Plus, you are a liar.

                2. Uilleam   1 year ago

                  You fuck off. Nobody wants you here, you fat Nazi pedo.

                3. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                  Nah, you're just a sad idiot wanting attention and abuse on a comment section where few, if any like you. If you look up masochist in the dictionary, you find a photo of Jeffy.

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                    I refuse to let libertarianism be defined by dregs like you all. Libertarianism is not just right-wing social conservatism with a few liberty-sounding words thrown in. Libertarianism is not misanthropic paranoia. Very few will support a liberty agenda if you all are the face of it.

                    1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                      Jeffy, if you're a libertarian, then I'm Idi Amin.

                    2. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      Really. So, what does human flesh taste like, anyway?

                    3. R Mac   1 year ago

                      Real libertarianism is recommendations from the UN on how governments can control people’s speech, right Lying Jeffy?

                    4. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

                      That's Mr. "His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, CBE, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular" Idi Amin to you.

                      And also the uncrowned king of Scotland.

                    5. Mother's Lament   1 year ago (edited)

                      “I refuse to let libertarianism be defined by dregs like you all.”

                      I refuse to let libertarianism be defined by an overt Nazi like you. Libertarianism is not about getting to fuck children and start race riots while suckholing oligarch corporatists.

                    6. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      That’s Mr. “His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, CBE, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular” Idi Amin to you.

                      Who am I to question his pronouns.

                    7. Jefferson Paul   1 year ago

                      If you can't/won't define "right wing," why do you use it so often in your posts?

                    8. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                      If you can’t/won’t define “right wing,” why do you use it so often in your posts?

                      Because Jeffy uses "right wing" as a slur on anything he doesn't like. Note that he never uses "left wing" that way.

                    9. EISTAU Gree-Vance   1 year ago

                      Wow Jeff, you’re really addicted to this contrarian schtick. Nobody could be as consistently wrong as you without being parody.

                      I bet you go to daily kos and pose as maga, don’t you, you sly dog?

                  2. JesseAz   1 year ago

                    Why sarc loves him so much.

              3. JesseAz   1 year ago

                chemjeff radical individualist 3 years ago
                Flag Comment Mute User
                This may be difficult for your reactionary brain to understand, Sevo, but if more people voluntarily assumed a responsibility to prevent the spread of infectious disease, there would be no need for mandatory orders from the state to compel mask wearing.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                  That's right!

                  If, during the height of the pandemic, more people had worn masks voluntarily, then there would have been no need for the state to mandate mask usage!

                  And then you all, because you are either morons when it comes to logic, or purposefully dishonest (or both), take that statement and make a logical fallacy out of it, and try to claim that I said "If you don't wear a mask then the state must mandate it". Which is not what I said, that is the denying the antecedent fallacy.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denying_the_antecedent

                  1. Outlaw Josey Wales   1 year ago

                    Except, the masks didn't work to protect anyone to any degree that even a voluntary adoption made sense. Some people got sicker, because the germs that normally escaped had no place to go but in the cloth, where, along with an excess of C02, were inhaled over and over again.
                    This is where your Libertarian self should be acknowledging every individuals right to address the 'Pandemic' in whatever fashion they were comfortable with. For their individual person.
                    The whole thing was a fallacy. The resultant mask mandates were only another component of the entire idiotic response.

                  2. CountmontyC   1 year ago

                    Do what I want voluntarily or I will make it mandatory is not libertarian thinking. It is a threat of authoritarianism.

                2. Chumby   1 year ago (edited)

                  We should have just worn our masks like the Science! supporters demanded so that it didn’t need to be made mandatory.

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                    Look, here's the deal. Even if all of the government mandates and government regulations were to vanish tomorrow, all of the social problems that they were intended to solve would all still remain. Somehow, they would still need to be addressed. The libertarian approach is to address them via voluntary cooperation.

                    One reason we got all those mandates in the first place is because there wasn't enough voluntary cooperation to address the scope of all of those social problems. Individuals need to step up more. I totally think it is possible, but it doesn't happen by accident. It requires intentional effort.

                    Believe it or not, governments didn't mandate mask usage just to be cruel or controlling. They did it because they were trying to control the spread of the virus. If virus transmission had been reduced WITHOUT a mask mandate, then there would have been no need for a mask mandate.

                    1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                      So you believe in having mandates because not enough people were volunteering to follow what you want in the first place? Got it.

                      Jeffy, that entire passage is how to say you're a statist and not a libertarian without actually having the guts to come out and say you're a statist and not a libertarian.

                    2. DesigNate   1 year ago

                      Except the science had shown that masks, especially the bullshit that we were all wearing in public, don’t do shit to actually stop the spread of an airborne virus, for DECADES.

                      And even if they did, the government mandating them is 100% immoral. This is the point Overt made again and again and that you refuse to acknowledge.

                      (Plus your whole argument falls apart when the vast majority of people DID voluntarily mask, social distance, and stay home for those first couple weeks.)

                    3. Chumby   1 year ago

                      Look, here’s the deal. The face diapers were bullshit. Full stop.

                      Believe it or not, the mandates were virtue signaling. Libertarians don’t give out participation trophies, particularly to apparatchiks attempting to take away freedoms.

                      If you wanted to mask, you should be free to do so.

                    4. Jefferson Paul   1 year ago

                      Look, I'm not defending the Holodomor. But if more Ukrainian peasants had voluntarily given up all their food, Stalin wouldn't have been forced to make them do it.

                    5. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

                      Even if all of the government mandates and government regulations were to vanish tomorrow, all of the social problems that they were intended to solve would all still remain.

                      Except for all the problems CAUSED BY excessive government. Which might well be most of them.

                    6. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

                      If you wanted to mask, you should be free to do so.

                      Unless you were a teacher or a child caregiver. Little kids being surrounded by adults with their faces covered has caused them lasting developmental harm.

                  2. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

                    If you won't voluntarily do a useless thing, Jeff supports the government pointing a gun at you to compel you to.

              4. DesigNate   1 year ago

                Maybe you shouldn’t have said people who wouldn’t comply were violating the NAP? Just a thought.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                  Why? I think it is an open question and one worth considering for libertarians.

                  Is it a form of aggression if you make someone sick by transmitting a virus to that person? Does it matter if that transmission is accidental or intentional? Does it matter if you know if you are sick or not?

                  1. Chumby   1 year ago

                    If you are sick, stay at home. If you need folks to wear the ineffective, virtue signaling face diapers and they do not, also stay at home.

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      That is good advice, but not everyone has the luxury of heeding it, especially that last part. So the question arises of what happens when people don't heed that advice.

                    2. Chumby   1 year ago

                      If the real world is too scary, stay at home.

                    3. Outlaw Josey Wales   1 year ago

                      So the question arises of what happens when people don’t heed that advice.

                      They then get to enjoy the consequences, whatever they may be.

                  2. DesigNate   1 year ago

                    Because if you’re healthy or asymptomatic (thus have no knowledge of being sick), you’re not aggressing against people by going out in public.

                    People that got the Pfizer shot didn’t stop carrying or spreading the virus, did they violate the NAP by being out in public?

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      And so this is where we get to the (admittedly flawed) bears-in-trunks analogy. If you are driving around with a dangerous bear in your trunk, and when you stop, unbeknownst to you, the bear gets out and mauls someone and then gets back in, are you responsible? That is supposed to be an analogy to someone walking around carrying a virus that they don't even known about, which is then transmitted to other people unintentionally.

                      It doesn't seem right to me that the 'owner' of said virus should bear *no* culpability at all. At a minimum there is some negligence going on. Is it the same as the person intentionally beating someone up? No. I think it is somewhere in between and there can be some room for a healthy discussion on the matter.

                    2. DesigNate   1 year ago

                      It's not a "flawed analogy" it's so ridiculously horrible that it borders on a logical fallacy.

                      But even if we run with it, if you have no idea there is a bear in the trunk (asymptomatic) and have no reason to think there could possibly be a bear in your trunk, or there is 100% no bear in your trunk (healthy), you aren't obligated to bang two rocks together so everyone knows there's not a bear in there, and no you're not negligent and you most definitely haven't agressed against anyone.

                      And the government sure as shit shouldn't be forcing you to do so.

                    3. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago (edited)

                      Never thought I’d see the stupid “bears in trunks” analogy rear its head again.

                    4. Outlaw Josey Wales   1 year ago

                      Bom. Bom, bom boh bom. Who let the bears out!!

                    5. R Mac   1 year ago

                      Lmao at Lying Jeffy sticking with bears in trunks. Retard.

                  3. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

                    Will you be wearing your mask every flu season forever now? Or do the thousands on people killed by flu every year not count? Sure, sure, "COVID is different" but I'm not arguing that at all. I'll grant that COVID is slightly more dangerous, especially if one is over 75, obese, and generally unwell already.

                    But people spread the flu virus by not practicing social distance, not wearing masks, not washing hands and thousands, sometimes tens of thousands, of people are killed every flu season.

                    Before COVID, apparently most of America was just fine with 10-90K flu deaths EVERY YEAR and always have been.

                    You HAVE to wear the mask IF IT SAVES EVEN ONE LIFE, isn't that the mantra?

                    1. Chumby   1 year ago

                      Avian flu? Nah.
                      Swine flu? Meh.
                      Bear in trunk flu?!?! Four layers of 6-mil poly masking for that.

          2. JesseAz   1 year ago

            They don't work even at 5% fatty. Especially as used by the vast majority of people dummy. Even from a purely physics perspective they don't.

            Viruses smaller than the pores in the mask.

            Viruses much smaller than the size of the bacteria and particulates masks are meant to prevent.

            To put it in perspective for you.

            Door frames would hinder your obese movement. A wide open sidewalk would not.

            But keep up the religious faith.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

              They don’t work even at 5%

              See that's not true either. The effectiveness is highly dependent on the type of material, environmental condition, how well the mask fits, size of particles, and a whole host of other variables. Sometimes it works well, sometimes it doesn't work well.

              Viruses smaller than the pores in the mask.

              People do not expectorate naked viruses. They expectorate droplets of fluid which contain solvated virus particles. It's the droplets of fluid which are stopped by the mask material.

              Do condoms prevent the transmission of the HIV virus? Guess what, the pores in a typical latex condom are also larger than the size of a virus. So I guess by you argument, condoms don't work either, right? Oh wait.

              1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

                The Covid virus travels on vapor, not droplets.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                  Actually it's aerosolized particles. Still solvated virus particles.

                2. Commenter_XY   1 year ago

                  That point will blow right by numbnuts chemjeff.

              2. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                Jeffy, it's odd that you use a condom as an analogy. Condoms (like respirators) either work or they don't. If they don't work 100%, then either HIV was transmitted, or she's been knocked up. If respirators don't work 100%, then you have asbestosis, lung cancer, or mesothelioma in 10 to 20 years; or you're sick within 3 to 5 days with a virus.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                  And condoms, like masks, don't work 100%. But no serious person would argue that if a condom failed once, that "condoms don't work" and that no one should ever use them.

                  1. JesseAz   1 year ago (edited)

                    God damn youre an idiot.

                    Condoms actually have less leakage due to the size of the liquid they are meant to hold in. They can be ineffective if they break.

                    Masks are not rated for the size of a respiratory virus you retarded fat fuck.

                  2. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                    Usually such things are down to manufacturing errors, or errors in the installation (so to speak). Before use, you should probably inspect it quickly for potential rips and tears and areas that could fail. Of course, you probably haven't had the chance to use a condom in forever, incel.

              3. Agammamon   1 year ago

                In other words - they don't work.

                They don't work because morons like you wear them with their nose uncovered.

                But you still wanted to make them mandatory.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago (edited)

                  They don’t work 100%, that is correct. Again with the all-or-nothing dichotomy with you all. And no I never advocated for government mask mandates. Your team, however, did advocate for government mandates on private property owners to forbid them from using their property to require masks if they so chose.

          3. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

            No, Jeffy, they either do work or they don't work. Tell me about it the first time you encounter an asbestos worker with lung scarring or mesothelioma.

          4. R Mac   1 year ago

            Losing weight is more effective.

            1. Chumby   1 year ago

              That’s a sizable request.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                Fat chance I see that happening.

          5. Zeb   1 year ago

            They don't work very well. And if they aren't very close to 100% effective, and people are using them every day, they are close to useless as the number of potential exposures very quickly adds up.
            And there is no good evidence that mask mandates or widespread community masking make any difference. Masks were sold as something really important that will protect people. That was a lie. And this is something I never see addressed: It doesn't matter how much you believe in masks, if they don't work they don't work. Convincing people that they work when they don't causes harm because people will take risks they might not otherwise. It is not good or noble or helpful to play along with such a deception.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

              Masks were sold as something really important that will protect people. That was a lie.

              See, this part is true. Thank you Zeb for bringing some sanity to this discussion. The masks were definitely oversold.

              And this is something I never see addressed: It doesn’t matter how much you believe in masks, if they don’t work they don’t work. Convincing people that they work when they don’t causes harm because people will take risks they might not otherwise. It is not good or noble or helpful to play along with such a deception.

              It is true that if one relies too much on a protective piece of equipment that doesn't work as well as advertised, that it could lead to harm. That is true.

              I also happen to think it's true, however, that one ought to evaluate one's own risks and act accordingly.

              1. Zeb   1 year ago

                Yes, everyone should make their own decisions. But messaging from government officials on masks did not provide good information for making those decisions and that's what I find most outrageous. A reasonable message on masks would have been something like "we think masks might work, and recommend that people use them around the old and infirm, but please don't count on masks stopping any transmission because we have no idea how well they actually work with this particular virus". It was absolutely disgusting and unethical to mandate a medical intervention when there was no strong evidence that it would be effective, or that the benefits outweigh the harms of masking.

          6. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

            Why is it ok to ignore the Science! for some people?

            ----------------

            An Oregon county has decided to make people of color exempt from its mandatory mask policy, citing the potential for racial profiling. The decision comes as multiple counties in Oregon have ramped up face-covering requirements to slow the spread of coronavirus.

            Lincoln County's general directive requires everyone to wear a face-covering in any indoor public setting, or any outdoor setting where six feet of social distancing can't be maintained. But the county wrote on its website that "People of color who have heightened concerns about racial profiling and harassment due to wearing face coverings in public" are exempt from the rule.

            https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lincoln-county-oregon-exempts-people-of-color-from-mandatory-coronavirus-mask-policy/

            1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   1 year ago

              Clearly Lincoln county wants black people to die.

      2. JesseAz   1 year ago (edited)

        Never change jeff. Revel in your ignorance. Ignore the dozens of studies that have been posted here. Keep proving yourself the useful idiot of the left.

        I mean there are two studies listed in the first 4 paragraphs. More down lower. But youre so reliant on being ignorant. Lol.

        You truly are the dumbest poster here. You finally win.

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

          You didn't read the study, did you? If you had, you would have ample room to criticize it.

          The authors took 597 previous studies that were about masks and children, threw out 575 of them for reasons they were not totally clear about, and then of the remaining 22, said that they did not show a clear link between the mask *mandate* and the virus transmission *in children*.

          I guarantee, if the authors had done something similar and had shown a different result, you would be criticizing the methodology to death.

          But you didn't even bother to read the paper, all you read was what right-wing media told you to think about it.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

            And I didn't discuss that as I'm addressing the usefulness of masks and respirators, period.

            Are you an expert in the field, Jeffy?

            Do you work with them day-in and day-out?

            Have you combed through 29CFR1910 and 40CFR61?

            Are you aware of the sizes of particles, such as lead dust, silica, asbestos, and viruses?

            Have you ever been medically cleared and fit tested to wear any sort of facial covering such as an N95 mask or a respirator?

            Do you work with asbestos abatement and inspection?

            Do you actually have any idea what the hell you're talking about?

            1. JesseAz   1 year ago

              The answer is no no all those questions. Since jeff won't answer any.

            2. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

              Oh, so now we have the appeal to authority fallacy.
              I am capable of reading English and I read the study.
              Do you have a criticism of the study? If so, what is it?

              1. JesseAz   1 year ago

                Nobody believes you. As you didnt even read the article.

              2. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                Considering that you're talking to an authority on it, it's hardly a fallacy, twerp.

                Now, answer my questions.

                1. JesseAz   1 year ago

                  Jeff was given those evidence back on 2020. He isnt intelligent enough to understand where you are leading him. But he is intelligent enough to know if he is lead, his ignorance will be exposed.

                2. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                  You're appealing to a bullshit authority. We are not talking about asbestos abatement. I don't care how many times you've read the CFR. Either that study is valid or it isn't. What is your criticism of that study?

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                    I'm appealing to no bullshit as I am the authority here, dork. Are you an environmental consultant, do you work with asbestos, do you know anything about masks or respirators, or are you just relying on news articles with a moron?

                    Now answer my questions, dork.

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      Why don't you read the study and tell me your criticism of *the study*.

                      You are appealing to an authority to avoid discussing the study.

                    2. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                      I'm not discussing the study, idiot, I'm discussing your assumptions about masks. Yes, twit, I'm discussing you, your opinions, and your fallacies.

                      Now, answer my questions, dork.

                    3. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      So you add on an ad hominem fallacy to your appeal to authority fallacy. Yet another reason to put you back on ignore.

                    4. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                      As if you understand any sort of fallacy, idiot.

                    5. DesigNate   1 year ago

                      Calling you names isn’t an ad hominem, Jeff.

                    6. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                      Yet another reason to put you back on ignore.

                      Jeffy, if you can't stand the heat, get your fat ass out of the kitchen.

                    7. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

                      Let's review again:

                      Ad hominem: You're wrong because you're an idiot.

                      NOT ad hominem: You're wrong AND you're an idiot.

              3. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

                Oh, so now we have the appeal to authority fallacy.

                Oh wow!

                I can't believe Mr. TopMen himself is crying "argumentum ab auctoritate".

                1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                  It's actually pretty damn funny to watch him squirm when he has to confront an actual authority on the matter.

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                    You want to try to lord over me some bullshit authority in asbestos abatement so that you can claim that your POLITICAL opinion on masks should be believed without question. Which is by the way the same type of stuff that the Fauci crowd would pull.

                    1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                      Dude, what's your background on respirators? I have extensive training and knowledge. I've been medically cleared and fit tested, and I've fit tested others.

                      It's damn funny watching you like this as you appealed to the Fauci crowd previously. BTW, this is not a political opinion in any way, shape, nor form. It's purely scientific, engineering, and safety facts, you walking excuse for an OSHA violation.

                    2. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago (edited)

                      It is very transparent what your agenda here is with your line of questioning. What you’re trying to do, is claim that because of your huge expertise in asbestos abatement or whatever, that your political opinions on masks should be believed without question. That is your apparent strategy here. It’s just a Fauci in reverse. You lack the self-awareness to see this.

                    3. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                      Define irony from Jeffy: "You lack the self-awareness to see this."

                      Now, are you going to answer my questions, or am I going to have to assume all of your answers are "no", and you really have no idea what you're talking about other than spouting lefty talking points to make yourself sound libertarian when you're really a statist in disguise?

                    4. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

                      "It is very transparent what your agenda here is with your line of questioning."

                      This is very precious coming from a fifty-center whose whole purpose for being here is to peddle agenda-driven narratives.

                    5. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      Oh and here comes ML to call me a Nazi again.
                      Fuck off ML.

                    6. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                      chemjeff radical individualist 2 hours ago
                      Oh and here comes ML to call me a Nazi again.
                      Fuck off ML.

                      I'd tell you to go fuck yourself, but I sincerely doubt you'd be able to reach that far.

                    7. R Mac   1 year ago

                      Hahaha, it’s funny because he admitted he’s fat.

                    8. Chumby   1 year ago

                      Jeff is getting beaten down worse here than a white truck driver at a Rodney King riot.

          2. JesseAz   1 year ago

            Lol. Yes. I read it.

            This is hilarious as you often tried using aggregate studies to support your false scientific take aways.

            And you ignore the other items in the article because youre so fucking dishonest.

            Do you see the dig in tab on the top? Click it.

            Try actually reading the sources instead of repeating your leftist plablum without thought.

            Again. You remain the dumbest poster here. Congrats buddy.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

              Lol. Yes. I read it.

              Bullshit. You didn't read the original article otherwise you wouldn't have posted the false claim about what the study was actually about.

              It was about mask *mandates* with *children*. It was not about mask use generally among the entire population.

              The methodology as well was suspect. Which you would know if you had read it.

              1. JesseAz   1 year ago

                I like how your inference is children breathe in a different manner than adults do.

                It is also clear you didnt even read the fucking article, so nobody believes you read the entirety of the study.

                You are also confirming you dont know how masks work.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                  No, children don't breathe differently. But children do wear masks differently, and children don't wear masks as obediently as adults do. Wasn't this YOUR argument against mask mandates for children?

                  1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   1 year ago

                    “…..as obediently….”

                    There goes that radical individualist again! Lol.

            2. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

              Try actually reading the sources instead of repeating your leftist plablum without thought.

              What was the "leftist pablum" that I repeated? Answer: none.
              You were the one who was reciting tired right-wing narratives about MASKS DON'T WORK even though this study didn't even show that. It was about mask MANDATES for CHILDREN.

              YOU are the one repeating right-wing pablum. I am the one discussing facts and evidence. You are the fifty-center. It's sad.

              1. JesseAz   1 year ago

                I see you getting more and more desperate by the idiotic arguments you make.

                Do you understand how masks work? Have you ever seen the some of the pores vs the size of respiratory viruses? Have you ever bothered to read the dozens of studies posted here? Did you ever bother to read studies for the 100 years of mask studies prior to 2019?

                You revel in ignorance. Your leftist pablum is continuing to push the false masks work bullshit like above even as major journals have retracted the vast majority of the claims from 2019 to 2022, a time period of narratives being more important than science. In the article it discusses how these studies were censored, something you continue to support. Youre a retarded leftist who doesn't give one shit about truths or evidence. Lol.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                  Have you ever seen the some of the pores vs the size of respiratory viruses?

                  Pore size of latex condom: about 5 microns
                  Size of HIV virus: about 0.1 micron

                  Do latex condoms stop the HIV virus? Yes or no?

                  1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                    I remember going round and round with him at the time. The argument was that masks are supposed to stop droplets, not individual viruses. So he proceeded to argue against the claim that masks stop individual viruses. It was impossible to get him to argue against what was actually being argued. He continued to beat, flay and set fire to the strawman until there was nothing left but a dark spot on the ground.

                    1. JesseAz   1 year ago (edited)

                      I’m sure you have this citation sarc and aren’t just trying to be as ignorant as your new best lefty friend. Lol.

                      Let's start at square one.

                      Prove to me, choose any source, respiratory viruses are mostly spread on droplets.

                    2. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                      I'm not making that claim. The claim was "masks are intended to stop droplets, not individual viruses." Full stop. That's it. Everything else you add to it, like "respiratory viruses are mostly spread on droplets" is the voices in your head, not me. This is why arguing with you is pointless. You are incapable of arguing against what someone actually says. You always argue against something else.

                    3. JesseAz   1 year ago (edited)

                      What does stopping drops have to do on efficacy of masks sarc? Choose any fucking source instead of making sophistic and uninformed arguments.

                      You truly are a fucking moron.

                      If droplets aren’t the main driver of respiratory viral propagation, what the fuck is the point of your argument?

                      Youre arguing from a nonsensical position.

                    4. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                      An honest conversation would go something like this.

                      honest JesseAz: "Masks don't stop individual viruses, so they're not helpful."

                      sarc: "Masks are supposed to stop droplets not individual viruses.
                      If you're going to argue against them, argue against what they actually are supposed to do."

                      honest JesseAz: "That was a strawman? My bad. Either way they don't do much good."

                      sarc: "Yeah, no shit. That's why mandates are stupid."

                    5. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                      That's a conversation that will never happen, because it would mean JesseAz arguing with what someone said, not the voices in his head.

                    6. JesseAz   1 year ago (edited)

                      Answer the fucking question sarc. Prove you aren’t an idiot.

                      Why do you and Jeff continue to retreat to droplet propagation if it doesn’t have a meaningful effect on virus propagation if that’s the reason masks were sold and attempted mandates occurred.

                      Make an intelligent inference for once in your fucking life. God damn.

                    7. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                      Why do you and Jeff continue to retreat to droplet propagation if it doesn’t have a meaningful effect on virus propagation if that’s the reason masks were sold and attempted mandates occurred.

                      For someone who claims to support accurate statements, you sure are hostile towards anyone who points out the inaccuracy of your claim that masks are meant to stop individual viruses.

                      My belief is that you know you're misrepresenting what people claim so you can jump on anyone who tries to clarify the argument and accuse them of supporting mandates. Because you're a liar and that's what you do.

                    8. JesseAz   1 year ago (edited)

                      Stop avoiding the question sarc. What is the intention of your claims that they top droplets. Does it have any measurable effect on stopping viral propagation. Why are you making said argument unless you know there is an effect.

                      This is the argument you two continue to retreat to when told make are ineffective at stopping viral propagation. So it is your assertion it has an effect at stopping such. So provide your evidence. You have yet to do so.

                      So either you’re ignorant (likely) or throwing shit at a wall to merely throw shit at a wall (also likely)

                      Answer sarc.

                      Masking and mandates were sold as a means to stop viral propagation. So tell us why you keep making the droplet argument. Because to most intelligent people it loons like pure narrative building and excuse making as to why you've been wrong for the last 4 years.

                    9. sarcasmic   1 year ago (edited)

                      What is the intention of your claims that they top droplets.

                      To clarify the argument. It does no good to say masks don’t work because they don’t stop individual viruses when they’re not meant to stop individual viruses. If you’re going to argue that masks don’t work, argue that stopping droplets doesn’t do any good. And if you possess even the slightest bit of honesty, stop accusing anyone who points that out of supporting mandates.

                      But like I said above, I believe you keep making this argument because you know you're misrepresenting what people say. Then anyone who takes the bait is accused of supporting mandates, and now you can get busy calling them names for supporting mandates, even when you know it's a lie. Because you're a liar and that's what you do.

                    10. JesseAz   1 year ago

                      God dam. You can't help constantly being wrong even when it is clearly pointed out to you. The entire discussion is regarding viral propagation and you're pretending it is about droplet propagation because you realize you are wrong. Then you project others of being wrong despite this realization you have made.

                      Like arguing with a child.

                  2. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                    I wasn't even arguing in favor of masks. I was just trying to keep the argument honest by calling out the strawmen. Boy oh boy was that a mistake, because I've been falsely labeled a mask mandate supporter ever since.

                    1. JesseAz   1 year ago (edited)

                      Sigh.

                      Youre asking me to provide links.

                      Your argument was literally what jeff is trying to do above.

                      Your claim is the mask mandates were fine because they might be effective despite no evidence you could provide. Then you created a strawman as jeff does above where you claim those who understand the science, the physics, how respiratory virus travel were claiming solely arguments based on them not being 100% effective.

                      How do I know this? I have the bookmark from when you pushed this same idiocy as jeff last time.

                      Maybe you can answer the questions jeff is avoiding answering above. You won’t though.

                      You never fucking learn. Youre never honest. The link.

                      https://reason.com/2021/08/30/alex-berenson-twitter-ban-vaccine-covid/?comments=true#comment-9074731

                    2. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                      I didn't say any of the things you claim I said in that link.

                      As always you're arguing against something you made up because you're incapable of being honest.

                    3. JesseAz   1 year ago

                      And sarc doesn't read the link nor the thread in the link claiming he reread it all.

                      Just a big fucking lying piece of shit.

                    4. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      Your claim is the mask mandates were fine

                      Neither sarc nor I argued in favor of government mask mandates.

                      You lie yet again.

                    5. sarcasmic   1 year ago (edited)

                      Neither sarc nor I argued in favor of government mask mandates.

                      You lie yet again.

                      It’s all he does.

                    6. JesseAz   1 year ago (edited)

                      Hey retards. I posted Jeff’s statements just above where he said mandates were necessary due to non compliance.

                      How the fuck ignorant are both of you?

                      Your arguments made in the linked thread were arguing AGAINST those arguing against mandates.

                      This is your attempts at again shifting an argument to hide how fucking wrong both of you have been for the last decade.

                      Fucking amazing.

                      https://reason.com/2023/12/05/back-to-the-caves/?comments=true#comment-10343453

                      Jeff's own fucking words shit weasels.

                    7. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                      I posted Jeff’s statements just above where he said mandates were necessary due to non compliance.

                      His post was saying that if assholes like you and Sevo didn't go around gleefully coughing on people at the grocery store during the pandemic just to make libs cry, that people in government wouldn't have felt the need to mandate masks. That's not an endorsement of mandates. It's more a statement about assholes.

                    8. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      I posted Jeff’s statements just above where he said mandates were necessary due to non compliance.

                      And I posted how this claim of yours is the result of a logical fallacy.

                      "If P had occurred, then Q would not have occurred"
                      is not the same as
                      "If P doesn't occur, then Q will become necessary to occur"

                      Example:

                      "If I had overslept through my alarm clock, then I would not have gone to the party"
                      is not the same as
                      "If I don't oversleep through my alarm clock, then I will have to go the party"
                      because going to the party is optional, not a mandatory activity, and if I don't oversleep, I may choose to do other things besides go to the party.

                    9. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      That’s not an endorsement of mandates. It’s more a statement about assholes.

                      That too.

                    10. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      But this statement of Jesse's is noteworthy, because it speaks to his state of mind:

                      Your arguments made in the linked thread were arguing AGAINST those arguing against mandates.

                      Yes, he was arguing against those arguing against mandates. That is true. But he wasn't arguing in favor of mandates. He can't seem to grasp this distinction.

                    11. sarcasmic   1 year ago (edited)

                      Yes, he was arguing against those arguing against mandates. That is true. But he wasn’t arguing in favor of mandates. He can’t seem to grasp this distinction.

                      No, he cannot. And he demonstrates that constantly when he says things like “You’re not loudly criticizing xyz but you criticize people who do. That means you support xyz.” and believes it. He thinks he’s being clever but he’s really being stupid. That or he's a liar. Maybe both. I can never tell.

                    12. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                      Sarc, is this a strawman, or no?

                      "if assholes like you and Sevo didn’t go around gleefully coughing on people at the grocery store during the pandemic just to make libs cry"

                    13. DesigNate   1 year ago

                      "If she hadn't worn that short dress" is what that argument boils down to. Y'all get that right?

                    14. JesseAz   1 year ago (edited)

                      Did sarc really create a strawman of a clearly posted jeff comment?

                      Just to protect the obese leftist. Amazing.

                      You two have some of the worst attempts at rhetorical rationalizations since Mike.

                      Who the fuck do you two think you are tricking?

                      Your already admit your itnention was to argue AGAINST those against mandates. Motivation there.

                      Jeff admits it was NEEDED because people didn't do what him and government want.

                      Neither of you ever say you were AGAINST mandates as you argued AGAINST those opposing mandates.

                      Again. Who the fuck do you think you are fooling? Or are you both just that dumb? Because you sure as hell aren't clever.

                    15. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                      Did sarc really create a strawman of a clearly posted jeff comment?

                      Yep, with a great big side of white knight.

                  3. DesigNate   1 year ago

                    The HIV virus isn’t airborne so you would have to fit the fluid through that 5 micron pore to deliver it…..

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      No it isn't. But the point is "size of the virus" doesn't matter, because that is not the discrete entity that is being transmitted from person to person, neither with HIV nor with COVID. With HIV it is semen, with COVID it is aerosol particles. So it's the size of THOSE particles that the barrier (condom or mask) has to stop, not the size of the virus. So bringing up the size of the virus is a total red herring.

                    2. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                      JesseAz reads that comment not as pointing out a red herring, but as a declaration of support for mask mandates.

                    3. JesseAz   1 year ago (edited)

                      Just sad and pathetic sarc.

                      Congratulations you two on shitting up yet another discussion.

                    4. DesigNate   1 year ago

                      If you can smell a fart through the mask, the aerosols will uh find a way. (Read that in Jeff Goldblum's voice)

                    5. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                      If you can smell a fart through the mask, the aerosols will uh find a way. (Read that in Jeff Goldblum’s voice)

                      Exactly. One of the things we use when fit testing respirators is a very potent irritant that will get through any areas on the respirator that do not seal tightly to the face. If you can smell it, you have a leak.

            3. DesigNate   1 year ago

              You keep saying that and shrike is going to show up to prove you wrong Jesse.

              (I also don’t think Jeff is in any way dumb, just a host of other things.)

              1. JesseAz   1 year ago

                I truly think he is a moron.

                Like shrike he can't read what is posted. He relies on leftist sites to refute an argument he is incapable of understanding. When he is wrong on a subject he attempts to change the argument. Etc. Etc.

        2. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

          And you lied about what the study was about.
          It was not about masks in general.
          It was about mask *mandates* with *children*.
          It was also a review of other studies, not a study of its own.
          You push narratives and have no critical thinking skills. That is what you do.

          1. JesseAz   1 year ago (edited)

            Youre actually worse than sarc with your made up strawman, attempts at changing arguments, and other rhetorical bullshit you claim.

            Again. Dozens of studies have been posted here for you. 100 years if science posted here during the initial demands for masks.

            You remain dead set on The Science and political narratives instead of actual science.

            You didnt even read the article. You read to the first hyper link, looked up a leftist site for criticism, and ignore 95% of the article. Lol.

            Your last sentence is literal projection. Your entire response to the sourced article is nothing but your own bullshit, uncited, non intelligent narrative. Lol.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

              You didnt even read the article. You read to the first hyper link, looked up a leftist site for criticism, and ignore 95% of the article. Lol.

              Most of the article that you cited had nothing to do with the scientific study. It was just regurgitating more right-wing pablum.

              I went straight to the scientific study and ignored the right-wing stuff.

              What do you do? Focus on the narratives of course

              1. JesseAz   1 year ago

                It is like talking to a retarded obese person.

                Oh.. forgot this is why I stopped responding to you.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                  Because I challenge your narrative and show you to be the shallow fifty-center that you are? I can see why that would cause you to do that.

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                    So spaketh the fifty-center himself.

                  2. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                    His mind is a fortress with walls so thick that no amount of facts or reason can possibly breach them.

                    1. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                      Who, Jeff?

                    2. JesseAz   1 year ago (edited)

                      Jeff would probably fuck you if you’re that desperate.

                      Funny how the “stop calling me a leftist” crew who refuses to read information counter to their narratives always team up lol.

                      Notice how neither you nor Jeff provide any counter information. You repeat blindly narratives widely discredited.

                    3. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                      All you do is argue against things that nobody claimed. It's the only way you can win. And the people who believe your shit are morons, so I really don't give a shit if they think I'm a leftist. That just means their brains are mush.

                    4. JesseAz   1 year ago (edited)

                      Sarc, that’s literally the entirety of yours and Jeff’s strawman above and in the link provided dumbfuck.

                      Again. Neither of you have cited any evidence as to why people should be forced to mask up nor the evidence as to why it is a good thing dumbass. You post strawman and narratives. Same as jeff. Note neither of you have ever provided evidence for your arguments. Above I literally linked to you creating the same strawman you and Jeff are defending today.

                      This is called projection buddy.

                      You wades into this discussion once again from an ignorant stance to defend your best leftist bud without any curiosity to the arguments presented. Defending the leftist narrative jeff is pushing. Grow the fuck up dummy.

                    5. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                      Neither of us argued for what you claim we argued for. He was, as I had done in the past, pointing out that you're not arguing with what people say. You're arguing with something else. So you double-down on your false claims and then start with the name calling.

                      It's so fucking tiresome.

                    6. JesseAz   1 year ago

                      Jeff literally did regarding mandates. See link. And you defend him.

                      https://reason.com/2023/12/05/back-to-the-caves/?comments=true#comment-10343453

                      Mandates were not even the topic of discussion in this thread dumbass. Mask efficiacy was. But you've been proven so ignorant you continue to try and shift the argument.

                    7. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      Mandates were not even the topic of discussion in this thread dumbass. Mask efficiacy was.

                      AKSHUALLY, mask *mandates* for *children* was the topic that was studied in the original article that you cited.

                    8. DesigNate   1 year ago

                      Mandates in, wait for it, relation to "SARS-CoV-2 transmission or infection".

                      Kinda hard to do a cost-beneift of the mandates if you don't determine the efficacy of the intervention first.

  3. JesseAz   1 year ago

    Venezuela votes to take energy rich lands from Guyana.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/majority-venezuelans-vote-annex-oil-rich-region-guyana

    Seems to be a pattern with Biden in charge.

    1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

      Oh, is that the problem with Ukraine? Putin didn't have the Russian people vote about it first? Man, I bet he's feeling embarrassed that he didn't think of that.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

      Maduro is in deep trouble and wants a distraction, Falklands-style.

    3. I, Woodchipper   1 year ago

      "we voted to take your land" is pretty colonizey

      1. mad.casual   1 year ago (edited)

        It's OK, they’re of the appropriate “We colonized those natives good and hard.” skin color and dialect.

      2. Moonrocks   1 year ago (edited)

        It’s only Colonizing if they’re white, and socialists are red.

        1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

          Well done! 😀

          I'm stealing that.

    4. HorseConch   1 year ago

      The Ukraine grift seems to be running thin. We surely have some weapons we can send to South America to help get back in the game.

  4. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    Some scientists and activists have not welcomed Al Jaber's blunt realism, but have said his comments are "verging on climate denial."

    You can deny reality but not The Science, Settled Be Its Name.

    1. Moonrocks   1 year ago

      Is it just me, or does this talk of making sacrifices to influence temperatures smack of throwing virgins into volcanoes to appease the gods?

      1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

        We could try throwing climate scientists into volcanos to appease the climate gods...

  5. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

    You would think, with prices as high as they are, that Americans would have tempered their enthusiasm for shopping of late; that they would have pulled back spending on luxury items; that they would have sought out budget and basic options, bought smaller packages, fewer things.

    No, when inflation is running, you buy shit now, because it’s going to be more expensive later.

  6. JesseAz   1 year ago (edited)

    New independent audit of Reedy Creek shows how big of corporate cronyism the Disney zoning was in Florida. Disney basically never lived up to the agreement for its city of the future and utilized the special designation to enrich itself. This is the zoning Reason actually defended.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/exclusive-independent-audit-blasts-disney-for-pulling-bait-and-switch-on-florida-a-mousetrap

    1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      I watched the New York Times interview with Iger the other day. What a piece of work.

      Everything is someone elses fault. The public, the shareholders, employees, other executives, they keep letting him down.

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago (edited)

        Hey, he fired one of the down pillar Marvel execs responsible for ruining Marvel. Left the main one in charge though.

        1. R Mac   1 year ago

          BLACK GIRL POWER!

          1. JesseAz   1 year ago

            Put a female in it and make her lesbian! - South Park.

    2. Quicktown Brix   1 year ago

      Do you think Reason would have had a problem if crony capitalism was the reason DeSantis removed the Reedy Creek special status?

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

        I mean, DeSantis himself said that the reason why he started questioning the Reedy Creek district was explicitly *because* Disney publicly opposed the Don't Say Gay law. It is not even a secret.

        1. JesseAz   1 year ago

          And Jeff remains pushing the false narrative of don't say gay even as he accuses others of narratives above. Lol.

        2. Uilleam   1 year ago

          Nobody believes you. Go away you fat pedophile.

        3. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

          "IT'S DON'T SAY GAY, PEOPLE!!!"

          1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago (edited)

            Thus saith Cartman Retarded Imperialist.

        4. Super Scary   1 year ago

          "Disney publicly opposed the Don’t Say Gay law"

          You mean the "The Parental Rights in Education Act."

      2. JesseAz   1 year ago

        The law passed by the Florida Legislature removed all special districts and created a uniform criteria for new application of those districts.

        It wasn't passed as a state executive order.

        The implications in your post is begging a question that doesn't exist.

        1. Quicktown Brix   1 year ago

          The bill removed all special districts created before 1968 for a whopping total of 6 districts. Reedy creek was established in 1967. Just coincidence?

          DeSantis has been open about his motivation for prompting and supporting this bill.

          1. JesseAz   1 year ago (edited)

            So just what I said. Removal of special districts, uniform requirements, passed by the state legislature.

            Are you against corporate cronyism being ended? You want cronyism to remain because you don’t like motivation behind ending it?

            I find it very strange your focus is on DeSantis instead of a 60 year special carve out for a multi billion dollar corporation abusing the status for their own ends.

            If there is a corrupt agreement for a corporation with a state, the most harm comes from that agreement. Who cares WHY it was removed. The agreement was falsified by Disney from the outset. It shouldn't have been active. Full stop.

            1. Quicktown Brix   1 year ago

              Are you against corporate cronyism being ended?

              No. It should never have been created in the 1st place.

              Who cares WHY it was removed?

              Me, Reason, and many others. When a politician uses the power of the state for retribution against a person or corporation because of what they say or what they support politically, it is problematic. The state has huge discretion of enforcing or not enforcing many laws that we all break every day that it can use to silence people's speech or stifle political movements, or just harass personal enemies. It's much like the abuse Obama did with the IRS.

              If DeSantis said he wanted to remove the special districts before the don't say gay issue due to cronyism, I'd be in full support.

              1. JesseAz   1 year ago

                Your claims of retribution are claims against an already corporate cronyist carve our. The fact is nobody looked into it until a reason to do so.

                If a politician is corrupt, should the FBI not look into it because they were alerted to it by a political actor?

                Yours and Reasons focus is more against someone you hate finally looking into something than the fact that government abusive agreements already existed. Your priorities are completely messed up.

                These special districts, to a libertarian, should never exist in the first place. You and reason have spent more time on the discovery of the agreement than against the agreement itself. You prefer the political discussion to the ideological one.

                Your FULL support should be for ending these agreements. Not for political narratives around said agreements.

                1. Quicktown Brix   1 year ago

                  If a politician is corrupt, should the FBI not look into it because they were alerted to it by a political actor?

                  It depends. Let's just say a politician has a few boxes of documents in his bathroom. This is technically illegal if you squint hard enough, but no one has ever bothered enforcing this rule. Now if a politically motivated actor unleashes the power of the state on on that boxy bro, I'd oppose that.

                  1. Michael Ejercito   1 year ago

                    As opposed to documents in his Corvette?

                  2. JesseAz   1 year ago (edited)

                    Your example is flawed as you admit to above. Your example would require the FBI to arrest everyone in violation. That’s what Florida did. That is not what the DoJ is doing.

                    1. Quicktown Brix   1 year ago

                      Your example would require the FBI to arrest everyone in violation.

                      Nope. Florida was surgically selective with it's "before 1968" stipulation, thus removing only 6 out of hundreds of special districts. It was targeted at Disney, but don't take my word for it. DeSantis has been honest about why this was done.

  7. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

    "Some scientists and activists have not welcomed Al Jaber's blunt realism, but have said his comments are "verging on climate denial."

    Priests and acolytes make accusations of heresy, not scientists.

    1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      Certain opinions are allowed, others are not.

    2. JesseAz   1 year ago

      What about The Scientists?

    3. Idaho-Bob   1 year ago

      Religious fundamentalism in its purest form

      1. Zeb   1 year ago

        It really is. Not only must you accept The Science, as it is handed down from on high. You must also perform the correct rituals and make the correct sacrifices or be cast out as a denier.
        The "denier" thing is getting super insane. You don't even have to question the predictions, simply questioning the policies effectiveness or cost/benefit ratio is apparently enough now.

        1. Stuck in California   1 year ago

          Yeah, you knew the fix was in when they started using "denier" some years back and the mainstream press repeats it without skipping a beat. Basically branding anyone with any skepticism as the same as people saying the holocaust didn't happen.

          1. Jefferson Paul   1 year ago

            Oh, come on. Now you are going to summon Misek to shit up the threads.

  8. JesseAz   1 year ago

    Biden administration changes definition in school funding to try to force transgender policies inside every school.

    https://justthenews.com/nation/states/center-square/biden-rule-takes-lunch-money-schools-reject-progressive-gender

    1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      Public schools are child abuse.

      1. ace_m82   1 year ago

        Amen!

    2. Outlaw Josey Wales   1 year ago (edited)

      I remember when the only one threatening to take your lunch money was the bully in the bathroom. Now we have this.

      1. Bloodaxe   1 year ago

        They are the bully in the bathroom, literally.

  9. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    Chris Christie erasure?

    Even Stalin had not enough White-Out.

    1. JesseAz   1 year ago

      It takes a big imagination to pretend he doesn't exist.

      1. Commenter_XY   1 year ago

        It would be a whale of a story...

        1. Moonrocks   1 year ago

          His presence on stage will make a huge impact.

          1. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

            On the floor boards?
            🙂
            😉

      2. Outlaw Josey Wales   1 year ago

        He's the elephant in the room no one will talk about now.

    2. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

      It's going to require a bus sized eraser.

    3. R Mac   1 year ago

      Can’t even launch him into space for fear of throwing off the tides.

      1. Chumby   1 year ago

        The gravity of that would be astronomical.

  10. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    We will discuss the significance of the Palestinian counteroffensive on October 7th...

    NOW's denial of Bill Clinton's deeds pale in comparison to this bullshit.

    1. damikesc   1 year ago

      Next: They will discuss the Pearl Harbor counteroffensive.
      After that, the Nazi counteroffensive against those terrible Jews in the Polish ghetto.

      1. Michael Ejercito   1 year ago

        Or Dylann Roof's offensive against that church in Charleston.

        Make no mistake. Hamas is Dylann Roof's kind of party!

  11. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    Many of you have donated, specifically citing Reason Roundup as a product you enjoy, which makes me blush with delight.

    WHERE'S MY KICKBACK. I'm beloved.

    1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      Beloved, but not enjoyed.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

        DO I NOT AMUSE YOU?

        1. Its_Not_Inevitable   1 year ago

          Like a clown?

    2. JesseAz   1 year ago

      Eh.....

      1. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

        ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

        1. JesseAz   1 year ago

          Eh....

        2. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

          Are you the father to a murdered child? A husband to a murdered wife? A beater of austrilian paparazzi?

        3. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

          I mean, if you're gonna kill the emperor, I'll donate, yeah.

    3. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

      Is that something like a tip? If so, what's 15% of my price of admission?

    4. damikesc   1 year ago

      I know I donated with that as my specific reason why.

    5. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

      Insert "10 percent for The Big Guy" double entendre here.
      🙂
      😉

  12. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    American students trail their peers globally in math scores...

    Yes but can Chinese students recite the stolen tribal grounds they're standing on while naming all the genders?

    1. Social Justice is neither   1 year ago

      White Supremacy, what can't it do? First it holds back Black and Latinx oppressed persons now after getting rid of it's standards of competence it's holding back all American students.

    2. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      Sung to the tune of a popular climate change hymn.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

        Oh, comrades, fill no gas for me,
        To move my soul with liquid flame,
        For if I drive, electrons be
        To blighted fortune, health and fame.
        Yet, though I long to quell the strife,
        That passion holds against my life,
        Though boon companions ye may be,
        Oh! comrades, fill no gas for me.

        Apologies to Stephen Foster.

    3. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

      Emperor Xi's idea of land acknowledgement is: "Tiananmen Square is the center of Beijing, which is the center of The Middle Kingdom, which is now expanding it's diameter to include you."
      🙂
      😉

  13. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    Moody's lowered its outlook on China's credit from "stable" to "negative."

    I hope our owners don't go bankrupt.

    1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      Owning all the US bonds is ruing their credit score.

    2. JesseAz   1 year ago

      -10% to the big guy?

      1. Outlaw Josey Wales   1 year ago

        Ha. +10

      2. Chumby   1 year ago

        This Xi would Shanghai Brandon?

  14. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    "Europe's most 'rizz' politicians, ranked."

    It was inevitable Politico evolves to listicles.

    1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      It was always Buzzfeed+.

  15. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    Pro-Palestine protesters keep shutting down New York City's bridges...

    No more colonizing Manhattan!

    1. Anomalous   1 year ago

      From Midtown to Battery, Manhattan shall be free!

    2. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

      So what I'm hearing is that they're bunching up in places where their avenues of escape are severely limited. This calls for belt fed machine guns and grenade launchers.

      1. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

        That would never happen unless someone was wearing a Maga hat

        1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

          The folks behind the belt feds?

      2. DRM   1 year ago

        And then you can conveniently shove the corpses/body parts off the bridges.

        Into the river and out to the sea,
        I watch float away the dead New York Nazis.

    3. Minadin   1 year ago

      They are racing against the Just Stop Oil idiots to come up with the worst possible ways to get average people to join your movement.

      1. Stuck in California   1 year ago

        It isn't about getting people to join with them.

        It's narcissism. Pure, simple, narcissism. The adult version of a toddler throwing a fit in the grocery store because they didn't get a toy or weren't paid enough attention.

        1. Minadin   1 year ago

          I'm just glad my toddler nephews haven't figured out how to superglue themselves to the Walmart floor.

          1. Mickey Rat   1 year ago

            Perhaps they have but even the average toddler has enough sense of self preservation to not do something that stupid.

  16. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    Inflation is your fault...

    I knew I shouldn't have printed all that new money.

    1. Minadin   1 year ago

      Secret Service agrees . . .

  17. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

    I guess I’m old, I don’t know what ‘rizz is.

    1. Social Justice is neither   1 year ago

      Charisma. I generally see it used along the lines of a pick-up artist's confidence and smooth talk.

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        So the D&D stat everyone ignores.

        1. ace_m82   1 year ago

          No, but it's the one I purposely ignore.

        2. Uilleam   1 year ago

          Who needs charisma when you have a battleaxe.

        3. Agammamon   1 year ago

          Everyone knows Comeliness is the god stat.

        4. Ska   1 year ago

          Tell that to the bards, warlocks and paladins.

          I mean..... NERD

      2. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

        The Law of Charisma: If you pronounce the "h" in "Charisma" or shorten it and misspell it as "rizz," then Prima Facie, Ipsi Facto, A Priori, the thing speaks for itself, no further study required...you don't have it.
        🙂
        😉

      3. Mickey Rat   1 year ago

        Then, contrary to Liz Wolfe, it is a necessary requirement of being a power hungry politician.

    2. Zeb   1 year ago

      It's the kid I knew in high school who found a mistake on the SAT.

      1. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

        Could it also be Frank Rizz-o?
        🙂
        😉

    3. Outlaw Josey Wales   1 year ago

      I thought it was that slutty chick in Grease.

  18. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    China says a U.S. Navy ship sailing in the South China Sea has violated its sovereignty...

    It's right there in the name.

    1. markm23   1 year ago

      I assume you are joking, but if not... Can India claim the entire Indian Ocean?

      From Wikipedia, The South China Sea "is bounded in the north by South China, in the west by the Indochinese Peninsula, in the east by the islands of Taiwan and northwestern Philippines (mainly Luzon, Mindoro and Palawan), and in the south by the Indonesian islands of Borneo, eastern Sumatra and the Bangka Belitung Islands." Even if you count Taiwan as China rather than the independent nation it has been since 1948, Indonesia has much more of the perimeter of this sea than China. The Chinese claims are a land grab, plain and simple, without any historical or geographical foundation.

  19. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

    "Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie has just barely met the threshold to be present on the GOP debate stage tomorrow"

    He probably leaned heavily on the debate committee to allow him to join.

    1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      He was hoping for a wider margin of victory.

      1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

        Defeat looms large.

        1. Ajsloss   1 year ago

          Fat chance.

          1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

            Don’t let your vote go to waist.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

      Looks like the only race Christie will be in is to the buffet line against JB Pritzker.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

        Yeah, even if Christie wasn't acting like a one-note spaz right now, the dude is fucking massive. I'd be legitimately worried about him having a coronary while in office.

  20. Nardz   1 year ago

    https://twitter.com/CarolinaLion2/status/1731807315186127022?t=FGGzBzeP7BgMUI5428NCaQ&s=19

    They're trying to go the foreign legion/foederati route to fixing their manpower problem. Also they apparently have not read the up on either the fall of the Roman Empire or the Spanish Civil War; both of which would show this being a bad idea in the long run for them.

    [Link]

    1. Eeyore   1 year ago

      Could bring back slavery and go the Janissary route.

      1. nobody 2   1 year ago

        Technically it never ended. The stopped drafting people after Vietnam, but they left themselves with permission to start again at any time.

        1. R Mac   1 year ago

          Thank god for my flat feet.

    2. damikesc   1 year ago

      What?

      Our leadership are morons?

      My stunned face can hardly take so much stunning.

      This is one of the Democrats dumber ideas. And lord knows they are blessed with an overabundance of them.

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

      The US military is, what, half the size it was at the end of the Cold War? And they keep degrading their enlistment standards as well?

      If the Marines are the only ones who can fill their quota even after lowered figures and expectations, then it's clearly time to admit that your profession is not a desirable one, and figure out ways to fix that.

      Not doing what the neocons recommend is probably the correct choice.

  21. Sometimes a Great Notion   1 year ago

    Inflation is your fault,

    Don't disagree in principle but not with their reasoning. Its your fault if you voted for those who thought it was sound economic policy to pay people not to work with funny money.

  22. Sevo   1 year ago

    "...his comments are "verging on climate denial."..."

    Denying the climate? Denying a climate?
    Nope. Just heresy.

  23. Nardz   1 year ago

    https://twitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1731916064022286666?t=bWZEIM2yuQv049fqq7Qe2w&s=19

    #BREAKING: New video footage, sent by a follower has captured the massive house explosion from another angle that occurred earlier tonight in Arlington Virginia. The explosion reverberated across Washington, D.C. According to the police, the suspect discharged a flare gun approximately 30–40 times from inside his residence into the surrounding neighborhood

    [Video]

    1. Nardz   1 year ago

      https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1731855993905066074?t=3-NEEb55fEGGCb8z2zgXAg&s=19

      BREAKING: House explodes when police approach Arlington, VA home to execute search warrant

      [Video]

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        Some here would call the house exploding a good start. Waiting on media spin.

        So far it sounds like drunk guy firing flares in his house.

        1. Ajsloss   1 year ago

          Flare fuel doesn't burn wooden beams.

          1. JesseAz   1 year ago

            But of he had gas and was near a gas line could explain it. Waiting on more info.

            1. Ajsloss   1 year ago

              I'm just saying... #HouseExplodingWasAnInsideJob

              1. Dillinger   1 year ago

                booby. trap.

                and the joke was a+

          2. Minadin   1 year ago

            I got the Truther joke.

            1. JesseAz   1 year ago

              Ahh. Yeah. In light of this comment I missed it.

              Very subtle. Good job.

            2. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

              But you repeat yourself.
              🙂
              😉

        2. Minadin   1 year ago

          Early details aren't always reliable. There's a lot of different things being reported by a lot of various people:

          https://notthebee.com/article/the-emerging-details-about-the-home-that-exploded-in-arlington-after-someone-inside-was-shooting-at-police-are-wild

          One of the more frightening items alleged is that this 'house' was actually a duplex, so there may have been other people on the other half of the unit that blew.

          1. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

            Sounds like a full blown lunatic. Thank god he's a white Asian and not a POC. Pretty sure the media will report that he's a MAGA white supremacists.

      2. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfr3L0drhS8

      3. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

        See what can happen when you charge your EV in an enclosed garage?

      4. Eeyore   1 year ago

        Interesting. Is he just another youtuber trying to get his views back up after being shadow banned?

    2. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

      Goddamn. That was quite the explosion. Looks like fireworks, maybe?

  24. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    Protesters "Flood Brooklyn for Gaza" marched around Williamsburg and have now begun marching over the Williamsburg bridge...

    From the East River to Queens, Brooklyn will be, um, cleans-ed?

  25. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    "I'm white. Should I repatriate my African art?"

    YES. STICK TO WHITE ART.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

      Don't make me post that youtube video again.

    2. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

      Africans definitely shouldn't be allowed to participate in the international market. That's bad for them, somehow.

    3. JesseAz   1 year ago

      More importantly Hunters art.

    4. Fats of Fury   1 year ago

      Much African art came on the market due to conversion to Islam. Send it back and off the the bonfires they go.

  26. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    "The delays are particularly bad for the main visa category that hospitals use," contributing to the nurse shortage that the U.S. is currently experiencing.

    Look, if you won't socialize medicine in the US then the bureaucracy has to get its kicks somehow else.

    1. Moonrocks   1 year ago

      I suspect at least part of that nurse shortage can be attributed to DEI requirements in nursing education.

  27. Sometimes a Great Notion   1 year ago

    The answer is actually good.

    Can you just tell us, the people with enough financial sense not to pay the NYT?

    1. Roberta   1 year ago

      Just download, then delete the header.

  28. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

    The US is in the midst of a visa retrogression,
    Good, companies fire qualified Americans and bring in lower paid illeagles

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

      Ill eagles? I heard they're endangered.

      1. Outlaw Josey Wales   1 year ago

        Only the bald ones

  29. A Cynical Asshole   1 year ago

    Chris Christie erasure?

    That would take an awfully big eraser.

  30. A Cynical Asshole   1 year ago

    Interesting way to describe a terrorist attack that slaughtered over 1,400 civilians:

    We will discuss the significance of the Palestinian counteroffensive on October 7th ...

    The Marxist fucks are saying the quiet part out loud now:

    ...and the centrality of revolutionary violence to anti-imperialism.

    It would be a real shame if the building were to catch fire and burn down with all of those Marxist simpletons trapped inside. A real shame. I would be very broken up about it. Honestly, there might even be tears.

    1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   1 year ago

      Did you also notice the cultural appropriation, "y'all"? I'd think the lefties would be horrified that their heroes are pretending to be crackers, except the lefties also applaud rape and killing bigenders, so they aren't thinking very well to start with.

      And the Babylon Bee reports that Bill Cosby has joined Hamas and all his detractors are suddenly applauding his courageous stance against colonizers.

      1. Agammamon   1 year ago

        They call it 'code-shifting'.

        Like when Hillary Clinton pretends to like beer.

        1. Stuck in California   1 year ago

          Or men.

      2. Moonrocks   1 year ago

        Did you also notice the cultural appropriation, “y’all”?

        That's been going on for years.

      3. Super Scary   1 year ago

        "Did you also notice the cultural appropriation, “y’all”?"

        Entirely performative and anytime you see it typed out you can be 90% sure that the person writing doesn't actually use the word in conversations.

        1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

          Woo! Finally part of the 10%! 😀

  31. A Cynical Asshole   1 year ago

    To be fair, I'm pretty sure this was true prior to the pandemic:

    American students trail their peers globally in math scores, possibly attributable to pandemic learning disruptions. Thanks, teachers unions, very cool.

    But yes, it is the teacher's unions fault.

    1. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

      Much of the problem is the subsidizing of the reproduction of unmarried indigent women. We're practicing dysgenics. Breed more stupid kids, and scores will go down, regardless of the quality of education.

  32. Sandra (formerly OBL)   1 year ago

    "Inflation is your fault," says The Atlantic's Annie Lowrey.

    Same magazine that blamed us, rather than Commander in Chief Joe Biden, for the humiliating Afghanistan withdrawal.

    Silly me, I thought journalists were supposed to have an adversarial relationship with powerful government officials. Instead they #DefendBidenAtAllCosts almost as aggressively as a certain Reason commenter.

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   1 year ago

      humiliating Afghanistan withdrawal.

      Turns out that a SLOPPY PULLOUT! humiliates someone.

      1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

        Extremely sloppy. Death and destruction sloppy.

      2. Sevo   1 year ago

        turd lies. That's not a surprise to anyone who reads his constant stream of bullshit.
        But it's becoming obvious that as Misek is too stupid to understand the concepts of "evidence" or "relevance", the concept of "honesty" is simply beyond turd's ken.

      3. Sandra (formerly OBL)   1 year ago

        Yes. It humiliates the Commander in Chief who presided over it. Especially when Biden was supposed to represent "the adults being back in charge."

        Now tell us again how RIG COUNT is up, inflation is a fake issue, and CNBC is a wingnut.com site spreading anti-Biden misinformation.

    2. Dillinger   1 year ago

      >>journalists were supposed to have an adversarial relationship with powerful government officials.

      some version of this should be a banner @Reason

      1. Chumby   1 year ago

        Wait a year. It might be back.

  33. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   1 year ago

    FAKE HUNTER BIDEN SCANDAL UPDATE!

    Brought to you by the commies at the Wall St Journal:

    GOP Sees Skulduggery in Hunter Biden Paying His Father Back for Truck
    Monthly payments in 2018 came from account linked to younger Biden’s business dealings in China

    https://www.wsj.com/politics/gop-sees-skulduggery-in-hunter-biden-paying-his-father-back-for-truck-5d40741a

    Turns out the GOP is trying to hide a truck loan from the American people.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

      Turns out Turd lies.

      https://www.zerohedge.com/political/hunter-biden-sent-direct-monthly-payments-joe-account-paid-china-and-other-shady-corners

      Hunter Biden sent monthly payments to his father out of a bank account he used to receive money from Chinese business associates, according to newly released bank records revealed by House Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer, who shared a Monday video on X detailing redacted bank transfers to Joe Biden from Hunter's Owasco P.C. bank account.

      "Today, the House Oversight Committee is releasing subpoenaed bank records that show Hunter Biden’s business entity, Owasco PC, made direct monthly payments to Joe Biden. This wasn’t a payment from Hunter Biden’s personal account but an account for his corporation that received payments from China and other shady corners of the world," Comer says in the video, adding that the payments began in September 2018 - six months before Biden announced his candidacy in the 2020 election.

      "Payments from Hunter’s business entity to Joe Biden are now part of a pattern revealing Joe Biden knew about, participated in and benefited from his family’s influence peddling schemes."

      "Payments to Joe Biden from Hunter’s Owasco PC corporate account are part of a pattern revealing Joe Biden knew about, participated in, and benefited from his family’s influence peddling schemes. As the Bidens received millions from foreign nationals and companies in China, Russia, Ukraine, Romania, and Kazakhstan, Joe Biden dined with his family’s foreign associates, spoke to them by speakerphone, had coffee, attended meetings, and ultimately received payments that were funded by his family’s business dealings," reads an accompanying release from the Oversight Committee.

      And of course the big (rhetorical) question - what services were Hunter and pals providing for such exorbitant sums?

      1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

        >"Hunter Biden’s business entity, Owasco PC, made direct monthly payments to Joe Biden."

        And there it is, the direct, definitive evidence that Biden had lied about. Buttplug can squeal about Hunter's penis as much as he likes but this is conclusive.

      2. Sevo   1 year ago

        "Turns out Turd lies..."

        I guess someone is surprised to read this.

    2. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      What about the bar tab?

    3. Sevo   1 year ago

      turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    4. Outlaw Josey Wales   1 year ago

      WHAT A PENIS!!

  34. A Cynical Asshole   1 year ago

    No, but make sure to self flagellate daily:

    "I'm white. Should I repatriate my African art?" one reader asks The New York Times' ethicist columnist.

    1. Stuck in California   1 year ago

      but make sure to self flagellate daily
      Yeah, I think we were all 13 once and thought this was great advice.

      1. The Margrave of Azilia   1 year ago

        Choke the chicken, spank the monkey, practice the solitary vice, indulge in self-abuse, jerk off, wank, self-gratify, commit onanism.

        Sincerely,
        Harry Palmes

  35. sarcasmic   1 year ago

    Prince Harry is accused of 'bragging and encouraging illegal drug use' in his memoir Spare in US court papers filed by the Heritage Foundation

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12827271/prince-harry-accused-bragging-encouraging-illegal-drug-use-spare-memoir-heritage-foundation-court-papers.html

    Gotta love those drug-warrior conservatives, spending time and money trying to get that ginger dipshit barred from the country. Yay conservatives!

    1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      Wut?

      1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

        Immigration paperwork ask if you've ever used drugs. If you have you can be barred entry into the country, and lying on them is a crime. Heritage Foundation, the darling of conservative talk radio, wants to get Harry barred from the country because he admitted to drug use in his book. I'm almost curious to see if talk radio is bragging about it, but the constant goldbug and boner-pill commercials give me a headache.

        1. Dillinger   1 year ago

          one would think fewer Harry is a good thing?

        2. damikesc   1 year ago

          Not sure why expecting people to accurately enter information to come here is too much to ask.

        3. Outlaw Josey Wales   1 year ago

          I guess we know who's coke was left behind at the White House now.

    2. Agammamon   1 year ago

      You should be happy. Dude's white and rich, you're opposed to those things.

      1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

        Yeah, that's why I admire Elon Musk. yasafi

  36. sarcasmic   1 year ago

    John Kerry is accused of breaking wind during climate speech where he asked for coal power plants to be eliminated

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12827153/John-Kerry-accused-farting-climate-speech-asked-coal-power-plants-eliminated.html

    Gas bag passes gas, polluting while complaining about pollution.

  37. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

    Crying "far right" and not knowing what exactly is really going on.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/those-who-cry-far-right-have-no-idea-whats-happening-dublin

    You might think that a government faced with a barbaric public stabbing of schoolchildren and an unprecedented night of rioting in its capital city would extend condolences to the victims, take a deep breath, and try to figure out how a city managed to spiral out of control on its watch. But instead, the riots in Dublin were met by a shallow, one-dimensional analysis by all of the key authorities involved: to blame the “far right.”

    The Irish government would have us believe that the most destructive riot in Dublin in living memory was not a symptom of failed governance, but the result of an ideological fringe group going on a looting spree. That is a suspiciously convenient narrative for the powers that be, for it absolves them of all responsibility for losing control of the city. By fingering a Far-Right fringe, public officials can wash their hands of any role they themselves may have played in bringing the city to the brink of anarchy.

    To begin with, many of the “hooligans” that joined the riots seemed at least as interested in looting shops and finding an excuse to set something on fire as in joining a political movement.

    Secondly, even if there were important xenophobic elements among the rioters, this does not explain how a city can be so fragile as to succumb to chaos and looting in a few hours.

    The attempt to scapegoat the “Far-Right” for the breakdown in public order that we saw on Thursday conveniently ignores the fact that successive Irish governments have allowed criminals to wander the streets of Dublin with relative ease.

    Budding criminals know they will face lenient sentences, partly because there is simply no room in Irish jails to hold them for long, leading to a “revolving door” scenario in our prisons, as pointed out five months ago by the Irish Prison Services.

    People feel less safe in Dublin city than ever before, and there is a widespread belief that criminals in Dublin can act with impunity, or else will not suffer a prison sentence proportionate to their crimes.

    Thirdly, while there is no excuse for attacking police officers or setting vehicles alight, the Irish government has undoubtedly paved the way for these riots by refusing to listen to its citizens for years. Ireland’s political establishment has consistently been dismissive toward reasonable concerns about its immigration and refugee policies, reducing them to the rantings of a “Far-Right” fringe. This has created an atmosphere of pent-up resentment and frustration, and it was only a matter of time before this frustration erupted onto the streets.

    1. Moonrocks   1 year ago

      You might think that a government faced with a barbaric public stabbing of schoolchildren and an unprecedented night of rioting in its capital city would extend condolences to the victims, take a deep breath, and try to figure out how a city managed to spiral out of control on its watch.

      And let a crisis go to waste?

    2. A Cynical Asshole   1 year ago

      there is simply no room in Irish jails to hold them for long

      But there's plenty of room for trolls, shit-posters, and memelords.

    3. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

      "To begin with, many of the “hooligans” that joined the riots seemed at least as interested in looting shops and finding an excuse to set something on fire as in joining a political movement."

      A hallmark of "fiery, but mostly peaceful protests".

  38. Chumby   1 year ago

    End reliance on fossil fools such as Biden (D), Pelosi (D) and Schumer (D).

    1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      I support this message.

    2. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

      *applause*

    3. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

      I'm stealing that.

  39. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

    Welcome back to the 1930s.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/weimar-america-are-we-headed-1930s-nightmare

    Something eerie, something creepy, is happening in the world—and now in America as well.

    The dark mood is brought on by elite universities, the Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion industry, and massive immigration from illiberal nations and anti-Enlightenment societies.

    A bankrupt media deserves much of the blame. They daily broadcast Hamas’s suspect casualty figures, as if that terrorist organization has ever been capable of speaking the truth.

    The Western news regurgitated “500 dead at a Gaza hospital,” due to a supposedly deliberate Israel bombing. In fact, the hospital parking lot was hit by an errant Islamic Jihad missile intended to kill civilians in Israel.

    No matter—few reporters apologized for spreading Hamas-fed misinformation, despite the previous Hamas lies that they never harmed civilians, that tunnels were not beneath hospital grounds, that they did not murder 1,200 Israelis; or their lies that Hamas gunmen do not rape, when they engaged in mass rape on October 7.

    The media normalizes Hamas’s atrocities by treating it as if it were an ordinary government, not a murderous terrorist clique that decapitates civilians, takes children as hostages, and mutilates those it slaughters. That the terrorist organization has kidnapped at least ten American citizens and killed perhaps another 31 is lost on the “journalists,” many of them Americans who could care less about the fate of their fellow citizens.

    Sometimes the anti-Semitic hatred reaches Orwellian levels of absurdity. A British reporter asked an Israeli official whether his country valued life less than Hamas did because it had agreed to Hamas’s demand to release three convicted terrorists in exchange for one Israeli captive. The media fawned over a released disfigured Gazan terrorist - without mentioning that her injuries came from a car bomb she exploded in hopes of killing Jews.

    The United Nations has appointed Iran—a theocratic, terrorist-supporting government that kills dissidents and takes hostages—as the chair nation of the UN Human Rights Council Social Forum. What a cruel joke.

    What explains the collective madness?

    For the last 40 years, while Western leftists have naively supported Palestinian terrorists, their governments have appeased terrorist-supporting Middle Eastern governments for very practical reasons. The old subtext to such mollification was that 500-million irate Arab Muslims, and a Middle East with 40 percent of the world’s oil reserves, in realist terms, simply argued against the interests of 10 million Israelis.

    But now there are two new, venomous elements in the matrix.

    One is that the racist DEI industry assumes that all intersectional nonwhite communities are victims of white privilege and supremacy. Therefore, as permanently oppressed, they are declared incapable of being racist themselves. And so they can harass with impunity the supposed victimizers—in this case American Jews, who are declared culpable whites.

    Secondly, in the last two decades there has been an epidemic of immigration into Western nations from the Middle East. In often-divided democracies like ours, politicians seek to appease as many pressure groups as possible, whether citizen voters or merely resident demonstrators, to acquire and maintain power.

    Once a society mainstreams the values of thuggish brownshirts, and ignores their “from the river to the sea” eliminationist chants and screams of “beat the f—king Jew,” then the next emboldened step is foreordained.

    1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      "Once a society mainstreams the values of thuggish brownshirts, and ignores their “from the river to the sea” eliminationist chants and screams of “beat the f—king Jew,”

      Yes, but Chemjeff told us all that the real problem is some local GOP fundraising guy, hosting an impolitic Youtuber for dinner.

      1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

        Elon is totally antisemitic for liking a tweet, but these guys are just talking about decolonization.

  40. MWAocdoc   1 year ago

    I am, myself, a "climate denialist" but one does not HAVE to be a denialist to understand that draconian cuts in fossil fuel energy use would cause MUCH more economic and collateral harm to human populations much sooner than any imaginary harm done to people at some indeterminate point in time in the future from global warming might. The alarmism is getting dangerous now.

    1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

      This is the line I take with the cultists. "Assuming that everything you say about carbon dioxide is true, nothing we are doing would fix it, and if we did the things that would actually fix it, billions and billions of people would die."

      1. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

        billions of people would die

        To them, a feature, not a bug.

        1. Ska   1 year ago (edited)

          The more I read people’s comments on mainstream opinion like the Times, the more I see this kind of thinking.

          Billions of people need to die now to preserve the current fauna and flora that exist today. I won’t tell you who needs to die, or why that’s a better outcome, I just know in my heart of hearts that it would be better and protect the rest of us survivors from a real catastrophe.

      2. DesigNate   1 year ago

        Climate Alarmist: Those terms are acceptable.*

        *As long as I'm not one of those sacrificial lambs.

        1. HorseConch   1 year ago

          Unfortunately, the vast majority of them would make terrible serfs. They would be great at taking orders, but not so great at actually doing anything useful with said orders.

        2. Sevo   1 year ago

          *sniff, sniff*
          Reeks of the 1918 Bolshies' desires.

    2. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

      Pollution is bad, m'kay? Humans have spewed pollution for closing in on 200 years now, and we almost certainly have done for ourselves and many other species residing here on planet Earth...which, by the way, has cruised right along through 4 or 5 mass extinction events and come out the other side just fine. If you believe the worst possible case scenarios AGW alarmists throw out (which I don't), we're all dead in a few years, but the Earth will keep spinning and circling the sun, and will nature probably come up with some lovely new species in a few million years.

      Since pollution is bad, we certainly should, as good stewards and neighbors and people, make some effort to reduce our personal and communal impact on the others around us, the plants and animals, and future generations. But not unilaterally insane efforts. Living naked in a cave eating dirt is not worth it.

      The primary reason I question and oppose so many of the "solutions" is that they are not, in fact, solutions to pollution or climate change mitigation at all. They are socialist redistribution efforts.

      The entire IPCC paper on climate change is just as full of socialist economics like "climate change will increase income inequality" as it is with any climate science.

      (OTTMAR EDENHOFER, UN IPCC OFFICIAL): Basically it’s a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization. The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War... First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.

      Democratic New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s chief of staff, Saikat Chakrabarti The Green New Deal "wasn’t originally a climate thing at all ... we really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing."

  41. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago (edited)

    Some whispers about a new development from OpenAI, called Q*.

    Sooooo…SkyNet has awakened and The Terminator is dressed like a Duck Dynasty family member, eating horse paste, following “bread crumbs”, and blowing away cheese pizza parlors?
    🙂
    😉

    Or even worse, AI has become Gene Roddenberry's character parody of God in Star Trek: The Next Generation!. Humanity is done for!
    🙂
    😉

  42. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>Some scientists and activists have not welcomed Al Jaber's blunt realism, but have said his comments are "verging on climate denial."

    missing quotes around "scientists"

  43. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>"I'm white. Should I repatriate my African art?"

    no but you should explain to everyone how you are white.

  44. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>American students trail their peers globally in math scores, possibly attributable to pandemic learning disruptions.

    were we #winning in 2019?

  45. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>I wanted to bring some holiday cheer, and write something festive

    I wanted to tell you about the pie I made for Thanksgiving but a "neighbor" hit our gas meter that night & we didn't have gas @Casa Dillinger for a week & by the time I was thawed out & back here the mood was lost

  46. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>Chris Christie has just barely met the threshold to be present on the GOP debate stage tomorrow

    tough to find his pulse.

    1. Its_Not_Inevitable   1 year ago

      Was thinking maybe he had a hard time getting up those two steps to the door.

      1. Dillinger   1 year ago

        can you have a negative VO2 max?

        1. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

          If you're outgassing post-mortem, sure.

    2. Chumby   1 year ago

      It certainly wasn’t a minimum weight requirement he skirted by.

  47. NoVaNick   1 year ago

    The climate crisis harms women, girls, and non-binary people the most? That’s a new one…but sure to grab GenZs attention
    I guess once our betters declare a climate emergency, there won’t be enough electricity to power social media, so the non-binary’s won’t know their latest pronouns.

    1. Zeb   1 year ago

      I remember when that was an Onion headline.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

        "World to End Tomorrow; Women and Minorities Most Affected!"

    2. mad.casual   1 year ago

      The climate crisis harms women, girls, and non-binary people the most?

      Climate crisis harms women, girls, and non-binary people the most. The incessant bitching about how "It's too cold in here!"... "Now it's too hot!"... "Math is hard (and racist)!"... "Women and men are equal!"... "That's not what we meant, women are owed more respect than *that*!"... harms sane people the most.

    3. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

      Marxists in the US have figured out class warfare gets them nowhere. Race warfare and gender warfare do seem to work. So they create those conflicts.

      Funny note. Spell Check decided I wrote ass warfare instead of class warfare. Now that would be an interesting kind of warfare.

      1. R Mac   1 year ago

        John Kerry is onto something then?

      2. Chumby   1 year ago

        Battle plans developed by a rear admiral. Too cheeky?

  48. Michael Ejercito   1 year ago (edited)

    We will discuss the significance of the Palestinian counteroffensive on October 7th and the centrality of revolutionary violence to anti-imperialism. See y’all there!

    It was no more a counter-attack than Dylann Roof’s attack on the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church was a counter-attack, nor than Elliot Rodger’s attack on Isal Vista was a counter-attack.

    Because make no mistake, Hamas is what you get when Dylann Roof and Elliott Rodger lead a political party!

    1. HorseConch   1 year ago

      From the looks of these morons out protesting in their defense, the media running cover, and the UN being the UN, they have more clout than most political parties. They have truly maximized their victim status. It's rather amazing that radical muslims get a hard time for raping, butchering, and living in the stone ages, but are rewarded because we should sympathize with them.

  49. Dillinger   1 year ago (edited)

    long live Denny Laine … Tuesday Afternoon after all.

  50. R Mac   1 year ago

    U.S. Air Force improperly released service records of GOP candidate to DCCC-linked research firm

    The service records of at least a dozen service members were improperly released to a research firm from October 2021 to December 2022, and were used in some instances against GOP congressional candidates.

    https://justthenews.com/government/air-force-improperly-released-service-records-gop-candidate-dccc-linked-research-firm

    I’m sure it was just an accident and a coincidence it was only against one side. There is no deep state.

    1. Chumby   1 year ago

      Perhaps part of a pilot program.

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