Florida Walks Back Order to Shut Down College Pro-Palestinian Groups
The change came after concerns were raised about "potential personal liability for university actors who deactivate the student registered organization," according to state officials.

Last month, Florida Governor and 2024 Presidential candidate Ron DeSantis ordered the derecognition of Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) chapters at public universities in Florida.
The announcement followed the release of a "toolkit" from the National SJP, which characterized Hamas' October 7th attack against Israel as "resistance," and stated that Palestinian students are "PART of this movement, not in solidarity with this movement."
While the state claimed the shutdown was justified by a Florida law barring "material support" for terrorist organizations, First Amendment groups were quick to point out that cracking down on pro-Palestine campus activity is illegal, even when student organizations express support for the actions of terrorist organizations like Hamas.
"The government cannot force public colleges to derecognize Students for Justice in Palestine chapters," wrote the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE), a First Amendment nonprofit in an October press release. "This directive is a dangerous — and unconstitutional — threat to free speech. If it goes unchallenged, no one's political beliefs will be safe from government suppression."
Now it seems that Florida is thinking twice before cracking down on campus pro-Palestine activism.
Last Thursday, Ray Rodrigues, the Chancellor of the State University System of Florida announced that the system is holding off plans to forcibly shut down SJP chapters at the University of Florida and the University of South Florida, where the student group is active.
However, it doesn't seem like Florida is pausing attempts to crack down on First Amendment-protected speech because of a change of heart. Instead, Rodrigues said last week that he would hold off attempts to kick SJP chapters off-campus out of the concerns "about potential personal liability for university actors who deactivate the student registered organization," seemingly a reference to university officials who might end up facing civil rights lawsuits from SJP chapters.
Further, Rodrigues announced that he would attempt to compel an "affirmation" from the targeted SJP chapters, confirming that "they reject violence. That they reject they are a part of the Hamas movement. And that they will follow the law."
"While universities can ask all student groups to commit to following the law, they cannot force them to expressly renounce a particular ideology or otherwise express views they don't actually hold," wrote FIRE in a Friday press release. "Students shouldn't be compelled to disavow certain disfavored views in exchange for funding and recognition. Compelling speech violates the First Amendment."
These two Florida SJP chapters aren't the only pro-Palestine activist groups that have recently faced suppression. Last week, Columbia University suspended its SJP chapter, along with Jewish Voice for Peace, another pro-Palestine student group. A statement from the university cited the groups' repeated violations of "university policies related to holding campus events, culminating in an unauthorized event Thursday afternoon that proceeded despite warnings and included threatening rhetoric and intimidation."
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>>seemingly a reference to university officials who might end up facing civil rights lawsuits from SJP chapters.
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Eh, Tomato, Tomahto...
also if the Administrators can't stand the heat ...
A lot of us are hoping (fingers crossed) that the Democrats will stop marching in our streets demanding the extermination and slaughter of the Jews.
The democrats will never give up their antisemitism. They’re even worse than they were in the 30’s.
lol exactly.
Sadly, it's more likely the latter -- which is why I have a hard time saying these "students" are not, themselves, terrorists.
I respect FIRE, but by their logic, we could have a student Klan chapter and I don't think that would ever happen...
"concerns "about potential personal liability for university actors who deactivate the student registered organization," seemingly a reference to university officials who might end up facing civil rights lawsuits from SJP chapters"
It could also be a reference to implicit (or direct) threats of violence. Not that Hamas-supporters would ever condone THAT or anything.
Meatball Ron running scared.
So which one of our usual Marxist faggots are you socking?
I support groups that support the people impacted by Biden’s slow response to that train derailment and chemical spill.
You mean when the Ohio governor told Biden to mind his own business and let Ohio deal with it?
The Democrats continue to call for a new Holocaust. We have to stand up against their hatred.
I'm a little lost. The issue here is that the groups weren't going to be recognized by schools or have access to resources? That almost sounds like a freedom of association issue. I've got no problem with people organizing their groups and exercising free speech. As with the KKK, I don't think they deserve recognition or resources from the state or school
It is. This wasn't in any way a first amendment issue. It was about the schools no longer providing material support to organizations who are tying to advocate for a solution to The Jewish Question.
Remember when the Yale students harassed and physically obstructed Nicholas Christakis until he eventually apologized (and subsequently stepped down) for his wife's pro-1A (speech and association) rebutting the University's heavy-handed instructions about Halloween costumes?
Free speech for me but not for thee. Good times.
Since the government was the entity ordering the de-recognition then freedom of association was being controlled by them, not by private parties. And of course freedom of speech was being punished.
I'm told if they asked nicely, then it's NOT a free speech issue. Or are you new around here?
Wait, the government told a government organization what rules were to be followed and you're airdropping In a mysterious private party? Fuck off, what private party are you talking about?
Students are the aggrieved private parties. The chain of command inside government doesn't come into play. The government is picking and choosing the student groups who get support based on the content of group's speech.
The goal shouldn’t be to ban specific groups. The goal should be to crack some skulls when they get violently out of line. Then kick them out of school and send them to prison. But that would disproportionately impact leftists.
A public college cannot pick and choose which organizations it will support (from student-paid fees) based on content. That is completely a 1A issue.
Then anti-LGBT student orgs should be springing up like mushrooms after a rain with all the funding they are entitled to.
It's not a 1a issue. It's not within 10,000 miles of a 1a issue. And if it were, then literally ALL public universities are in violation of the 1a because around 100% of them moderate for content.
You are right.
Looks like ‘No Homo’ is entitled to a slice of that fat money cake.
A public college cannot pick and choose which organizations it will support (from student-paid fees) based on content.
Yes it can.
Again, a random sampling of a college requirement for an RSO:
That right there is moderating for content.
I look forward to you supporting (other) alt-right student groups with the same zeal and content-neutral approach. Maybe a few that advocate for Russia, or to end women's suffrage. Should be a real hoot.
"A public college cannot pick and choose which organizations it will support (from student-paid fees) based on content. "
Literally every college organization had guidelines on what it takes to be a student fee supported organization. So, this statement is just completely wrong.
The universities can withhold support. After all, would the KKK get support from a university? Recognizing them as a group who can freely associate is one thing, providing funds is another.
Bull
As with the KKK, I don’t think they deserve recognition or resources from the state or school
Not even the same thing, because Hamas/PLO aren’t racist organizations.
*ducks*
Correct, they are not white and, therefore, by definition incapable of racism. They are also the victims of occupation, colonization, and apartheid. Really, they are just being anti-racist. Also, would somebody think of the children!
https://twitter.com/VDAREJamesK/status/1723798111808528530?t=JLju4k8bBk-S-3u7RrfDNg&s=19
If you look at the actual policies being proposed, it’s simply to give Jews a new special status under DEI. At which point the GOP will be happy. They still won’t win many Jewish votes of course. The enemy will always be whites, regardless of their philosemitism.
Except Palestinians are white.
No, you don't understand! Only Caucasians are considered white these days!
https://twitter.com/BillAckman/status/1724226566761144763?t=bsPH4JncZn1JaSnznC_Dlg&s=19
So @Harvard permits on campus rallies calling for Intifada, or in other words, a call to action to kill Israeli civilians and Jews with suicide bombings, knife attacks and shootings.
Would the protest be permitted if they called for lynchings of black people?
Would the protest be permitted if they called for lynchings of black people?
Based on the arguments literally being proffered in the comments: Yes.
Except the people making those arguments in the comments won't admit that.
Ate we talking Clarence Thomas or just in general? I'm sure it would matter to the administrators.
https://twitter.com/jeremycarl4/status/1723224149303185473?t=BPGL1am9gvfhyVAH0z-mGg&s=19
Letter from Harvard President Claudine Gay, basically promising to fold anti-Semitism into the DEI racket-- trying to make a separate peace with Jews while continuing to punish non-Jewish whites.
Will be interesting to see if that becomes the new establishment strategy.
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Letter from Harvard President Claudine Gay, basically promising to fold anti-Semitism into the DEI racket
So, what percentage of Jewish ancestry will you need to get in on that? Is it the “one drop rule” or do you need to meet a certain threshold like for Native Americans? Either way, sounds like I need to send away for a 23 and me genetic testing kit so I can find out what percent victim I am.
1/1024 Ukrainian Wiccan woman of color who identifies as nonbinary.
The change came after concerns were raised about "potential personal liability for university actors who deactivate the student registered organization," according to state officials.
I still remember that fuckwit in the comments who was trying to deny that these were RSOs. El Oh El.
https://twitter.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1724486923022983595?t=5ijeo6Z3jtN8Sypjb1L7yA&s=19
Wow who could have seen this coming
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What's funny about it, not that we should or shouldn't welcome Gaza refugees, but that there are a whole slew of Arab countries in the middle east who are indignant about the treatment of the Palestinians at the hands of the Israeli response, who don't want thing fucking one to do with them.
Remember what happened when Jordan and Lebanon sheltered these people?
How did that work out?
The First Amendment protects the peaceful expression of Judenhass.
We need to preotect the peaceful expression of Jucdenhass, to protect the peaceful expression of Judenliebe.
. . . and stated that Palestinian students are "PART of this movement, not in solidarity with this movement."
So we have a written confession to being part of a terrorist organization. No need to deal with the organizational structure, just arrest every member on terrorism charges.
We still have Guantanamo, right?
https://twitter.com/FrankDeScushin/status/1724500471367319588?t=NDj4oShG4exdSDEduvnd_g&s=19
America has become a pissing match over which interest groups' flag the government will fly.
"A heated town meeting saw tempers flare over a teenage resident's request for the flag to be flown on the North Andover Town Common..."
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This is so not a 1a issue because pretty much all (as far as I can tell) public universities moderate for content, some public universities moderate for duplication:
Hey, if there's already one Jew-hating terrorist group on Campus, you're not allowed to start a second.
If this were a plain 1a issue, then even small content considerations such as barring groups with similar missions and purposes would be Strictly Verboten.
According to the article it's a 1a issue because it was a direct order from the State to derecognize the SJP.
That's the critical point.
Under your theory, who then has their 1A rights violated differently when the state orders the university to dis-associate themselves from the group, as opposed to if the university decided to do so on their own, as they might with a group like the KKK or similar?
The schools? The administrators?
It's not "my theory", it's the entire point of the article and the reason why the State is walking back their order.
How is it different when the state says to do it, as opposed to the college doing it on their own?
How is it different when the State makes you stop posting political memes on Facebook vs when Facebook deletes your posts for violating their rules?
Facebook is a private company. A public college is an organ of the government. Your failure to understand this is resulting in you saying utterly ridiculous things.
See Diane Reynold's comments in this thread:
"A public college cannot pick and choose which organizations it will support (from student-paid fees) based on content.
Yes it can.
Again, a random sampling of a college requirement for an RSO:
The stated purpose of the student organization must be consistent with the mission of the University and the organization must primarily serve the needs and interests of the students at the University of Washington.
That right there is moderating for content."
They're right.
When FIRE attempts to assert a difference between "government" and "public colleges", FIRE is full of shit.
For federal Constitutional law, a public college is just as much an arm of the state as a police department, the DMV, or a prison. It does not matter in the slightest, for purposes of the First Amendment, whether a decision originates with the governor or with any part of the college administration; it's state action just the same.
The difference, as Diane Reynolds pointed out the last time this was brought up, is that colleges (even public universities) reserve the right to dictate student group actions depending on rules that the college sets for these organizations (as Columbia did at the end of the article). The State does not have the right to order the college to shutdown a student organization if they are not breaking the law. That's why DeSantis used the excuse the SJP was lending material support to Hamas.
They were breaking the law. At least, that was the interpretation of the State of Florida.
You should read the original story, and make sure to read the original letter and not just the tweet of someone's hot take on the original letter. The letter specifically references a statute, by section and paragraph, which you could then also look up and see if their interpretation is valid. I did.
The public university system in Florida is an extension / department of the state government - as it is in most states. Your apparent position that 'it's different' when one part of the government does something as opposed to when another part of the government does the same, is not logically consistent.
That was literally my last sentence.
"That’s why DeSantis used the excuse the SJP was lending material support to Hamas."
No, it's not a difference, because every power of a public -- which is to say, state -- university is a power of the state. Anything a state university in Florida can do, the state of Florida, as the creator, owner, and governor of the state university, can order the state university to do. American federal constitutional law does not draw any distinction at all.
There is no federal constitutional question that distinguishes the power of the governor and the power of the University of Florida here. The reason DeSantis needs to cite a Florida law has nothing to do with the US Constitution, but a matter of internal Florida government structure. The First Amendment issues are identical regardless of whether the University of Florida acts on its own or because DeSantis tells them to, because, as far as the US constitution is concerned, in either case it is the State of Florida acting.
Columbia, note, is not a state university, it is a private university, and thus is not evidence at all of what the University of Florida can or cannot constitutionally do.
Here is Diane Reynold's original comment, and they're right. I've pointed this out already, but I'll do it again.
"“A public college cannot pick and choose which organizations it will support (from student-paid fees) based on content."
Yes it can.
Again, a random sampling of a college requirement for an RSO:
The stated purpose of the student organization must be consistent with the mission of the University and the organization must primarily serve the needs and interests of the students at the University of Washington.
That right there is moderating for content.”
Also here are the rules at this "public" university which if you break the university can cancel your RSO recognition, regards of the 1a:
https://pc.fsu.edu/sites/g/files/upcbnu1536/files/media/PDFs/Student%20Affairs/2021%20RSO%20Resources%20Update/FSU%20PC%20Recognized%20Student%20Organization%20Handbook%202021-2022.pdf
To be eligible to receive privileges and services, student organizations must complete the recognition
process with the Department of Student Affairs each academic year. Below are several examples of
benefits for Recognized Student Organizations.
RSOs receive benefits and privileges including:
• Automatically included in a list of current organizations on the FSU Panama City Recognized
Student Organization webpage.
• Support and assistance with recruitment, marketing, event planning, and organization
development through the Department of Student Affairs and the Student Government Council.
• Participation in the Org Fair hosted at the beginning of each semester.
• RSOs are eligible for activity and service (A&S) funds through the Student Government Council
and the Student Advocacy Board Alliance.
• Reserve campus spaces for meetings and events through the Department of Student Affairs. See
the Event Registration section of this handbook for more information.
• Campus posting privileges including chalking, distribution of handbills, and posting flyers in
compliance with the University Posting Policy.
• Eligibility to win awards such as “RSO of the Year” and “Advisor of the Year” awards at the end of
the year banquet each spring.
• Access to computer, printer, and copier in the Student Government Council office – usage of
these tools should be for organization business only.
• Ability to co-sponsor events with the Department of Student Affairs and/or the Student
Government Council.
"The reason DeSantis needs to cite a Florida law has nothing to do with the US Constitution, but a matter of internal Florida government structure"
Gonna need a source on that for sure!
You'll have to start a 30th.
https://twitter.com/WizardSX0/status/1724203037420392835?t=aJ_xZcUmggAxAhst3RNopQ&s=19
Advertising in New York... The text “Support Israel” squeezes out the text “Support Ukraine
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Nice little pro-Israel rally going on in DC at the moment.
Notice they are not violently ransacking the Capitol building or threatening to hang some government tool?
Both FIRE and Reason are apparently arguing that colleges must recognize student groups that are almost certainly violating all kinds of school rules. So Youtube should be now be forced to host content it doesn't want?
This is normally astute people choosing to be intentionally obtuse so they can appear to be consistent in their position. But there's clearly a difference between college admin punishing professors for showing an image of Mohammad in class and punishing students who cry out for genocide. Just like there's a difference between a Youtube military channel uploading vids with a Nazi flag and Hitler fetish channels that actually call for genocide.
If you don't make sensible distinctions, then we'd see ridiculous situations where student boy lovers club and Hitler Youth are funded on campus out of reverence of 1A. Opposing cancel culture is a moral argument. Companies can fire whoever they want - but firing someone over a 20 year tweet is arguably unreasonable, whereas firing an actual Nazi isn't.
As a person of color, I have to endure random skin heads marching in hate parades on public grounds near my house. That's freedom. But I shouldn't be terrorized by college funded student hate groups who wish death upon my people. I have to live in fear and anxiety on campus, while I pay the school a gazillion dollars for a degree? It's fucking ridiculous. Any Jewish student can choose to avoid any conservation. They can't escape from fanatics who block them from entering classes they PAID for.
The very first paragraph points out it being a direct order from the State, not the college, which causes 1a issues.
"Students shouldn't be compelled to disavow certain disfavored views in exchange for funding and recognition. Compelling speech violates the First Amendment."
And FIRE has clearly not read the requirements to become an RSO, because the requirements are filled from top to bottom with "compelled speech". So if... IF FIRE is correct on this issue, the entire concept of RSOs at student universities have to completely abolish any content moderation that currently takes place at pretty much every public university in the land.
No more diversity, discrimination, duplication, or "mission-alignment" requirements.
I'm good with that outcome.
Regardless, if the directive had come from the college and not the State, this wouldn't be an issue in the first place. As it stands, DeSantis stepping in makes it a 1a issue.
That's not what FIRE is contending. It may be what they MEAN when you dig under the hood, but that's not what FIRE has stated publicly. FIRE is explicit:
“Students shouldn’t be compelled to disavow certain disfavored views in exchange for funding and recognition. Compelling speech violates the First Amendment.”
that's a direct quote. They didn't say, "Students shouldn't be compelled to disavow certain disfavored views in exchange for funding and recognition that can only be canceled by Ron DeSantis"
FIRE is making a clear and broad statement about the very process to become an RSO. If FIRE meant that it ONLY COUNTS as a violation when Ron DeSantis (who's literally worse than Trump) makes the call, then perhaps FIRE should make that clear in their statements.
Let me try:
Public universities may guide and moderate the content, type and membership of Student RSOs as long as legislators aren't directly involved. But once the legislative body of the state is involved, then it becomes a 1a violation.
I would agree with this for sure, only to add a caveat that the State may become involved if the student org breaks the law. This is the reason DeSantis wanted to make the case that the SJP was breaking the law via "material support" to Hamas so as to stay out of 1a hot water.
I was answering XM's post which was concerning entities like YouTube being forced to host content they don't want. That's why my reply was "The very first paragraph points out it being a direct order from the State, not the college, which causes 1a issues.". That's also why my reply to you started with "regardless", as in "Regardless, if the directive had come from the college and not the State, this wouldn’t be an issue in the first place. As it stands, DeSantis stepping in makes it a 1a issue."
So I guess Chicago agreed to disagree on their sanctuary city status today, and thus remained a sanctuary city.
Needs more scare quotes.
https://twitter.com/extradeadjcb/status/1724482291710169304?t=rSUq-dNohBaSlH1J0VPCzA&s=19
Israel is fantasy football for sublimated ethnonationalist impulses
It's not a real place to them, it's just a place to put these feelings
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How is this related to the article at hand?
It's not, now go fuck yourself.
Ah, schizo posting. Carry on.
Keep sucking state dick, soy
Not entirely sure that the loss of Hamas in Gaza is the price of Israelis keeping their atheism to themselves is the selling point you think it is.
You didn’t read the Beck link, did you
I don’t think I’ve ever had a Jew pronounce themselves as Jewish and then proceed to try, oxymoronically, to explain how Christianity is wrong.
What small, backwards, radically violent ethnic enclave do we have to ignore the extermination of to get the vegetarians and vegans to give up their “If you eat meat, you’ll die. It’s science!”/”I made tofurkey with soybacon!” ways and adopt the analogous “It’s fine you don’t eat kosher, we’ll just be over here with our bagels, cream cheese, and lox, pastrami on rye, latkes, matzah, and rugelah… if you decide to change your mind.”
This is either intentionally misleading or sloppy in its wording:
"These two Florida SJP chapters aren't the only pro-Palestine activist groups that have recently faced suppression."
The other examples Emma Camp goes on to cite—the Columbia chapters of Students for Justice in Palestine and Jewish Voice for Peace—were suspended for violating specific rules. That is hardly the same thing as "facing suppression" for their speech.
If they were suspended by the college for violating the college's rules, then yes you're right, that is a completely different scenario then DeSantis ordering the shutdown of the SJP.
Oof
https://twitter.com/KateHydeNY/status/1724522243525382533?t=T_iaeARZv9PMQ2P8l0D_iw&s=19
John Fetterman using his hoodie strings to tie an Israeli flag onto himself as a cape is the most bipartisan act I’ve ever seen from a Senator.
Maybe he thinks he's a Jewish superhero. You know, like all those other ones: Superman, Batman, Hawkman, Ironman, etc.
https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1724526909126807932?t=aU1hUSqH-iTrKcnKbkIT5g&s=19
Nikki Haley: "Every person on social media should be verified by their name" because of "national security."
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That crazy bitch is toast or she's angling to be Trump's VP.
This article is shady and misleading.
It interchanges "Florida" and "Ray Rodrigues" in a way that makes it look like the Governor/State are walking back the order. In fact, it's really just some dude at the schools who's "holding off" (as opposed to "walking back") to determine potential legal exposure - and is seemingly looking for some kind of middle ground.
In fact, it seems that Rodrigues KNOWS this home-grown terrorism club is a problem, and would otherwise be 100% on board with shutting them down, but for the potential legal exposure. Which is a far cry from "Florida" doing any "walking back."
Change the headline, Reason. And do a re-write. This is dishonest.
Excellent point! That was not at all clear from the article. She needs to do a better job of separating her moralizing from the reporting.
I think we should exterminate the Palestinians.
Is that the same level of protected speech as advocating the same for the Jews?
So, I'll just leave this here.
https://www.thefire.org/news/reminder-you-cant-defund-student-organization-just-because-you-disagree-it
I'll also post this here. This one seems to answer Diane's question.
https://firstamendment.mtsu.edu/article/healy-v-james-1972/
This case is actually eerily similar to the present one. A public university tried to kick out a student SDS club from campus, because the university administration believed that the students were leftwing terrorists. SCOTUS said no, the university can't do that, because that is prior restraint, the public university violating the students' First Amendment rights. BUT, the university can impose "reasonable" rules that are more or less neutral. Yes it is vague, but that is the general idea.
So I would imagine, a university that required that student clubs conform to a university mission in order to be recognized (as Diane cited above), would have to interpret this requirement very broadly if they didn't want to be accused of explicit ideological discrimination, which is forbidden as I cited above.
SJP groups are undeniably racist organizations. That being said, it is not the government’s job to fight racism, mandate diversity or otherwise socially engineer our society.
It's not the government's job to run schools either.
If they would only solve that problem...
It's not the government's job to provide platforms for antisemitic student groups either.
What happened to that George Mason guest writer who hates Israel? Shouldn't this be his beat?
Sheldon Richman
However, it doesn't seem like Florida is pausing attempts to crack down on First Amendment-protected speech because of a change of heart.
Yes, they are not pausing any of their attempts to do so because there are no such attempts.