The Marvels Is the Tedious Culmination of a Lot of Superhero Homework
In the director's own words, this is "a sequel to five different things."

In a recent report about the declining state of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Variety published what might be the single funniest sentence I have ever read in a trade report about the movie business.
Discussing the long-delayed reboot of Blade, a comic-book movie franchise about a good half-vampire who elaborately kills bad full-vampires with a sword, the article reported that "the story at one point morphed into a narrative led by women and filled with life lessons." In this script, Blade—nominally the central character of the movie bearing his name, a character previously announced to be played by the Oscar-winning actor Mahershala Ali—"was relegated to the fourth lead."
How, one wonders, does something like that…happen?
The screenwriter behind that concept will presumably go on to offer a script for the next Batman movie: A group of depressed housewives band together to learn life lessons while some guy dressed as a bat also punches criminals on the mean streets of Gotham.
Or perhaps the screenwriter was merely confused, somehow working under the premise that they were working on the next installment in the Captain Marvel series. Because the latest film in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, The Marvels, comes depressingly close to fitting the unmade Blade reboot's description. Let's just say it's far from marvelous.
This sequel to 2019's Captain Marvel follows a trio of superpowered female characters: Captain Marvel/Carol Danvers (Brie Larson), the cosmically powered title character from the previous film; Ms. Marvel/Kamala Khan (Iman Vellani), a teen superhero from New Jersey with the ability to convert light energy into solids; and Monica Rambeau (Teyonah Parris), an astronaut affiliated with a secret military organization exploring extraterrestrial intelligence.
What brings this trio together is a marketing stunt disguised as a mystical plot device: a glowy, computer-animated space-time anomaly appears and then blah blah blah, purple monkey dishwasher. In any case, the three characters start switching places via some sort of quantum nonsense, at first randomly and then with more purpose, allowing them to work together, tag-teaming in and out of fights like professional wrestlers.
The gag is meant to create a literal, physical connection between the women, to help them understand they are powerful as individuals but even more powerful together. But given how flatly the movie characterizes its core trio, this gimmick only adds to the sense that, aside from their powers, its heroes are mostly interchangeable.
In the meantime, there is brewing angst amongst the Kree, the alien antagonists of the previous movie. They're angry because their planet is dying, and their new leader, the villainous Dar-Benn (Zawe Ashton), has a plan to save them. That plan involves retrieving a pair-bonded Quantum Band from Khan and glowering while delivering a lot of Wikipedia-level exposition in a forgettably menacing monotone. Actually, I take that back: Wikipedia does a far better job of explaining this movie's underpowered, barely comprehensible story than the movie does itself.
There are a handful of somewhat inventive action scenes involving the randomly place-switching core trio, and director Nia DaCosta seems more genuinely interested in crafting crisp, clever action beats than many previous Marvel movie directors. But the movie, the 33rd in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, buckles under the accumulated weight of franchise lore. To fully understand—I am reluctant to say appreciate—every single thing that happens, you need to have seen not just the first Captain Marvel but the Disney+ superhero miniseries Hawkeye, Ms. Marvel, and Secret Invasion. In the director's own words, The Marvels is "a sequel to five different things." This isn't a movie so much as the tedious culmination of a lot of superhero homework.
Marvel's streaming TV series were supposed to keep the superhero franchise fires fueled between the big event films that have dominated the box office for the last decade or so. In practice, however, the streaming tie-ins have made the theatrical releases feel less like major events. At just over 100 minutes, The Marvels plays like a double-length Very Special Episode of a streaming series. It's a narrative (barely) led by women who, I suppose, learn life lessons. Why oh why couldn't there have been a guy killing vampires with a sword?
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No wonder Shrike is here.
He does it for the kids.
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It was a sad day for America when the writer's strike ended - - - - - - - -
https://twitter.com/VenomLuffyV/status/1722934782886138004?t=2hlYavixSFos9tnpyPBidA&s=19
Writers: "we are going on strike. We do so much work, we need more pay to match our importance and skill"
Also writers:
"Monica, you gotta fly."
"I don't know how."
"Use Black Girl Magic!"
Terrible writing, and Sam Jackson is a fucking shell of a man walking around in a nick fury skin suit and blurting out whatever propaganda his AWFL write-by-committee overlords tell him to blurt out.
I mean I cant say if you offered me another XX million dollars to show up and blurt out some propaganda I wouldn't be tempted to have another mansion, but still sad to see them swallow up another one
No doubt.
How else do you make Khan relevant in a movie that features Danvers?
Danvers is a cheat code super hero. So much so that they have to keep her out of the other movies.
And a problem with the Avengers concept in general is that it makes it hard to understand why some random tier 2 hero is trying to save the world by himself.
I love Loki and all, but maybe he should ask for help from some of the people who routinely outsmarted him in the past?
"Hey, Captain Marvel, you're basically omnipotent. Where the hell you been while Thanos is collecting all the infinity stones so he could wipe out half the universe?"
"It's a big universe, I've been busy."
"WTF are you talking about? Thanos wiping out half the universe is the worst thing anybody's ever done. Great work there, yaaaasqueen. We got a dude with a fucking bow and arrow out here fighting giant alien mecha-centipedes, and a raccoon teleporting across half the universe so he can help African tribesmen throwing spears to battle a huge alien army... but yea, totes couldn't use your help."
"Danvers is a cheat code super hero. So much so that they have to keep her out of the other movies."
All of phase 4 of Marvel (much of which has been the "MSheU") was kicked off by Captain Marvel, and she was truly the beginning of the end for them for a few reasons.
Power leveled her way too high. She's the bestest best Mary Sue and better than superman (no real weaknesses). She trivializes everything after that, so her presence would overshadow and make pretty much everyone unnecessary, so they were pretty much forced to use her very sparingly.
She is the distilled 10x pure version of girl bossery. She is a mary sue with her only weakness being that the whole time she just didn't trust her own pure awesomeness, and she was held back and convinced by evil men that she really wasn't as great as she was. Nothing is wrong with her, other than doubting her super awesome abilities, which is a result of the patriarchy keeping her down. Not only do people not want to be preached this political message, but it also robs her of any real character arc.
At the same time, those in charge of the MCU had declared a couple things. Firstly, that not only would we be getting more women overall, that they wanted the MAJORITY of superheroes highlighted to be women. In a brand almost solely watched by younger dudes. They also had explicitly stated that Cpt Marvel was to be the new leader of the Avengers, taking the mantle that was arguably Cpt America (based on his actual role) or Iron Man (based on his overwhelming popularity and him being the catalyst of modern MCU). Cpt Marvel...the Mary sure over power leveled character that has no arc, that no one likes, and they cant even use appropriately because she makes literally all of the rest of the avengers completely useless. That's who they chose as their new point person. Until they realized they basically wrote themselves into a corner they couldn't get out of.
Finally, while they had to basically quietly erase Cpt Marvel, her spirit lived on in the form of the same activism continuing: She-Hulk, Ant man's daughter, dual girl boss WakandaForever scientists (one of who became the new black panther...huge mistake, the other was to replace Iron Man, and if we ever actually get there, will be a bigger mistake). Always the same thing. New girl is the bestest ever, better than the old tired male version, also most of the time are inexplicably nobel prize worthy mega genius child prodigies who invent ground breaking technology as children. Their only flaws are that the patriarchy keeps them back. All Mary Sue's that the AWFL committee tells us are the best, put them in the costume of the heroes people actually liked, and we are told "this version is better in every way" and the response from fans is "ya, ill pass, thanks".
Rey, Reva, Ahsoka in the star wars universe. Same activism. Phoebe Waller-Bridge as the Indy replacement. Same activism. Same disease, created by often the same kind of people. They just cant figure out why no one is showing up to watch despite fans screaming at the top of their lungs what is wrong.
But in the end, I think its all a loss-leader. Worth it to lose a couple hundred mil on a movie, to an extent, so long as they can keep the propaganda going.
I will disagree with you that new age Star Wars is the same disease. It's bad, at the surface level the symptoms look the same, but it's a different illness with different root causes. Comic book movies are killing themselves the exact same way that actual comic books did, trying to remain "relevant" by filling scripts (like the pages before them) with diverse characters under the theory that the reason unattractive white men were the primary audience for comics because all the characters were white and that if only there was a black superhero, the black kids not cool enough to get into a gang would start reading comic books en masse too.
Star Wars never had this "problem". Its original appeal crossed all demographic spectrums, at least until Lucas killed it and sold the corpse off to Disney, which clearly had no idea what to do with the franchise it bought, like a dog in the driver's seat of a broken down car. FWIW, the biggest problem with new Star Wars is that it can never stop reminding you of its better times. Every single thing must be a throwback or connection to that one glimmering nugget of original content decades ago. Rey isn't a bad character because she's a woman. She's a bad character because she's just a satellite orbiting around planet Skywalker (and because her actress plays her as an emotionless lump of wood).
There's no reason it had to turn out the way it did. Imagine the alternate universe we could have gotten: What if Finn was the main character of the new Star Wars movies? John Boyega is a talented and highly expressive actor. What if the movies were about his journey fleeing from a grim life as a footsoldier in the villain's army to the jedi hero who saves the day? What if nothing had anything to do with the previous Star Wars movies except maybe keep have Luke filling in the Yoda-like role of a teacher with a couple scenes halfway through the series? Maybe a good death scene to make the villain look like a really bad dude. Rey could have been his street-smart sidekick explaining to our sheltered hero (and the audience) important things about the galaxy that "everyone knows".
As for Ahsoka, she was always Dave Filoni's waifu. That was never going to change. The only reason people are noticing it now is that the same stinky turd is on a bigger stage because they've literally run out of content to mine. Remember the Clone Wars cartoon!? Do you remember this!? Remember it! The problem with Star Wars is that it's stuck in a loop trying to make people remember and refuses to even try to create even one new thing worth remembering.
"Star Wars never had this “problem”. Its original appeal crossed all demographic spectrums"
All demographic spectrums...within the male gender, therefore not ALL demographics. Im sorry but there's no amount of mental gymnastics that can be done to think that Star Wars was anywhere close to 50/50 split men/women. I grew up knowing one (1) girl, who both watched and loved star wars, and knew about the universe and lore, and she still probably had only what you would call casual/low knowledge compared to literally every other person I have met that loved star wars (all dudes). Like video games, sports, and mooning people...sure women CAN participate and be enthusiasts, but its going to be overwhelmingly one gender.
Kathleen Kennedy is at the core of what happened to Star Wars, and it is very much the same disease (intersectionality, specifically intersectional feminism in this case) and has resulted in the same kind of characters / plotlines. She is a scorned woman, who sat back being made fun of and not listened to by powerful men, and she has a colossal axe to grind due to this fact. It completely explains every move she has made from her "Force is Female" start, to every decision they made going forward.
She took the prior heroes, the most loved by the fans, and made it a point to take them out of the equation while making them pathetic. Han is a pathetic sad deadbeat dad now, and has to be killed off and move aside, because after all, Leia needs to take the spotlight as general and commander, and we cant have Han stealing any of the show. Luke is a pathetic sad hermit who abandoned everyone when needed, because oh ya he also lost his shit and tried to kill Ben (fucking him up), and also then nearly refused to train Rey. She's already done way more than she should be doing with NO training, then with minimal additional training, she beats one of the most skilled Jedi masters. And hey, why do we need Han OR Luke, Rey automatically knows how to fix the millenium falcon and fly it just as good as Han after 5 minutes, and she is a better stronger Jedi than look after 5 minutes.
The examples continue. Poe is scolded and slapped for disobeying an order from admiral antifa lady, and taught the lesson that you should blindly trust leaders who haven't in any way shape or form explained themselves or earned your respect. A lesson Leia doesn't impart on a female in Ahsoka series, who blatantly disobeyed an order from a male superior (which Leia approves of). Literally no difference other than "lady smart and correct, follow blindly, white man stupid, OK to disregard". Anything is OK as long as its a woman doing it.
They abandoned all romance. Everything is platonic, with the exception of Ahsoka and Sabeen eye fucking each other and them lesbian-coding every scene. Because in the end, women cant be held down by cis-hetero relationships by men, as that would take away from their girl bossery. They must remain single, strong, leaders. Ezra and Sabeen finally see each other after her risking basically the safety of the entire universe (also, this is OK when a girl does it) and pretty much go "oh, hey..." Because after all, Sabeen has some Mary Sueing of her own to do, what with her just breaking all of the rules of the universe and giving herself force powers.
Ahsoka is basically space Jesus, which is also basically Rey, both of which are the same concept as I mentioned above: "Here is a girl, who is stronger, better, and more badass, in the skinsuit of your favorite character, trust me, they are way better". They are both just intersectional feminism Luke Skywalkers.
Obi Wan spent his entire series chasing around mini girl boss Leia, looking pathetic, and the show really ended up being a bate and switch to tell Reva's story. And of course, all the horrible shit she does isnt her fault, its the fault of powerful men around her because bad stuff happened to her.
Mando was very popular for a while, and they pulled a bait and switch for Bo Katan . Mando became a pathetic cuck following her around, while she takes the mantle. Oh and she gets to take off her helmet and its fine? Why, I thought that was a grave sin. Well, the rules of the show/world/universe don't apply to women, and its fine to break them when needed. And after all, we couldn't highlight that its a strong woman as well if they both just had their helmets on all the time.
Its just intersectional feminism. Women good, (whyte) men bad. Its Kathleen Kennedy's chip on her shoulder at Lucasfilm, but its the same shit happening at Marvel, and the same in other franchises like Rings of Power. Reimagined Galadriel might be the worst and most insufferable Mary Sue girlboss. But its all the same disease
"There’s no reason it had to turn out the way it did. Imagine the alternate universe we could have gotten: What if Finn..."
Agree with everything here.
Finally, while they had to basically quietly erase Cpt Marvel, her spirit lived on in the form of the same activism continuing: She-Hulk, Ant man’s daughter, dual girl boss WakandaForever scientists (one of who became the new black panther…huge mistake, the other was to replace Iron Man, and if we ever actually get there, will be a bigger mistake).
Don’t forget G’iah from Secret Invasion. She’s arguably the most overpowered one of them all.
Pretty much agree with everything here. They even said Captain Marvel would be the strongest Avenger.
Worf the Hulk
Basically, destroy Thor (Loss mom, then dad, then hammer, then homeland) .
Larson also sucks the fun out of a room. While she was good in the Room, everything else she is like paint drying
Remember when movie fans would mercilessly mock DC fans for watching DC movies? While DC certainly had its fair share of stinkers, Marvel is now giving them a run for its money. Have their been any decent Marvel movies or shows after the last Avengers? Only the Spider-Man multiverse comes to mind, but that was carried by nostalgia for the old movies.
So when will the movie fans apologize to DC? Or will they continue to pretend that Marvel still makes good movies?
The last Guardians movie was pretty good.
I liked Moon Knight, but not sure if it is pre-Endgame. I haven't seen Spiderman since far from home, but like the actor and writing. Couldn't finish any of the other shows or movies. Bad writing and lame characters.
I liked Moon Knight, but not sure if it is pre-Endgame.
Post-endgame. And it was good right up until [spoilers] the insanity of actually turning back the night sky and the stupidity of the Kaiju fight.
I look forward to a second season. I’ve been a MK fan since the late 70’s when he wa the backup story to ‘Rampaging Hulk’.
That's because James Gunn, for all his faults, know's how to make a good movie.
Compare the first Suicide Squad to the second one, and you'll see exactly what I mean.
You leave Birds of Prey alone. Wait. Fucking terrible.
I haven't seen that one, but a brief search confirms Gunn did not direct it. Cathy Yan I've never heard of before, and checking her filmography I can see why.
Perhaps that was your point, but I wasn't sure.
I thought Troma Studios were kind of retarded, but as it turns out retarded might be exactly what movies need.
I thought Birds of Prey was OK. It at least had a viable premise for being a movie with all female principal characters. Margot Robbie's take on the HQ character makes anything she's in at least watchable. I agree that the James Gunn Suicide Squad movie was far better than the first one, but did have the benefit of using some established characters from the first without having to do 100% of the groundwork.
"they are powerful as individuals but even more powerful together"
Like Voltron? Or more like Captain Planet?
Siegfried and Roy or Captain and Tennille
love. love will keep us together.
Thundercats.
G-Force. Keyops or nothing.
superhero from New Jersey
Yawn. Already saw that movie.
Really, it's kind of a joke you would want to keep to yourself.
"the story at one point morphed into a narrative led by women and filled with life lessons."
I see someone is trying to make people look back on fondly on Blade Trinity.
They saw how well the Ghostbusters remake went.
Intersectional girl bosses don't need character development or story arcs because everyone knows women can do anything men can do even better.
Except win physical competitions against men dressed as women, of course.
"Intersectional girl bosses don’t need character development or story arcs because everyone knows women can do anything men can do even better."
This was literally the plot and (lack of) character arc in Captain Marvel (1).
This isn't a movie so much as the tedious culmination of a lot of superhero homework.
That definitely sounds like something I want to spend $50 to go see in the theater...
That's a MAJOR problem for Disney.
Movies are expensive and when you obliterate your history of making good movies, people are far less willing to take a chance.
They have turned Marvel, Star Wars, and Pixar into groan-worthy movie makers.
homework with Brie Larson?
Yes, "homework".
A lot of work with geometry tools, measuring her breasts, and the capacity of…….things.
*Mostly* good... to be generous. Which makes the "life lessons" part all the more hilarious. A couple times in the MCU, Captain America is depicted, in the modern era, making corny PSAs. So somebody somewhere at Marvel is thoroughly aware of how these "life lessons" sorts of things are supposed to work and should realize that life lessons under the banner of a "hero" that... uses innocent people for bait, gets the people around him killed, (needlessly?) beats up low level street thugs, and is zealous enough that he can be fairly easily manipulated into killing people quasi random... shouldn't work. But Marvel being Marvel and Disney being Disney, this idea somehow gained traction.
In short, the MCU is suffering the same fate that comic books themselves suffered when they started doing annual crossover events.
Mehta those. Just a cynical cash grab through a form of blackmail.
Nobody is terribly keen to go see an intersectional movie masquerading as a super hero flick, and generally speaking people are getting weary of super hero flicks making it even less attractive.
If you want to put more butts in seats, stop lecturing the audience and just make a good movie. I know making a good movie is harder than lecturing people about your morals, but I also know which of those things makes money.
The purple-hair brigade aren’t going to go see your movies anyway.
I like them when they aren’t writtenand directed by wokies who indulge their wokie cast. So at least Deadpool 3 is safe.
Deadpool was safe when Fox was still independent and trying to ignore Ryan Reynolds and his pet project.
Now that they're owned by Disney, the days are probably numbered before Wade Wilson is recast with one of the Actresses from Scorcese's most recent film.
Sounds like too much work.
I stopped reading at Superhero in the headline.
Forgive me if I don’t trust Suder Man’s review of pretty much anything.
Disney is simply stupid and the stockholders need to fire all the senior executives and the board while there is still a company to salvage. If they keep making movies they know will fail, they are bordering on fraudulent activity and violating their fiduciary duties while still getting paid millions. Someone needs to file criminal charges.