California Is Taxing Itself to Death
Since departees tend to be high earners, their absence threatens to wreck the state's swollen budget.

For decades, California has been a desirable destination for Americans lured by the promise of riches, stardom, or at least a good place to surf.
That dream is over for an estimated 343,000 Californians who fled the state between July 2021 and July 2022, according to data from the Census Bureau. That marks the third consecutive year that California has seen a net decline in population.
Those heading out of state tend to be wealthier residents, and their exit threatens to blow a hole in the state's finances. California lost about $343 million in tax revenue during 2021 due to out-migration, according to a study from the online real estate firm MyEListing.com. The company says "California's high personal income tax rates seem discouraging for many high-wealth individuals."
While that study does not cover the same period as the most recent IRS data, both point to a worrying trend. So does a new projection from California's Finance Department, which expects the state's population to stagnate at 39 million for the next few decades. Less than a decade ago, the same agency expected the state's population to grow to 53 million by 2050.
One Californian who isn't leaving (yet) is the Los Angeles Lakers' star power forward, Anthony Davis, who re-signed with the team in July. Even so, Davis' three-year, $186 million contract extension is a useful illustration of why so many others might be looking to live elsewhere.
Sports economics blogger Andrew Petcash calculates that Davis will end up paying $27 million in income taxes each year, a sum that is actually larger than the $24 million he will take home annually after all other taxes are paid. More than $4 million of that annual tax bill will go into California's coffers, thanks to the state's 13.3 percent marginal tax rate on high incomes. If Davis signed with a team in Florida or Texas, states with no income tax, he would save more than $12 million over the course of his contract.
That is certainly a consideration for other athletes. After he left the Boston Celtics this summer to sign with the Dallas Mavericks, Grant Williams told The Athletic that his former state's new 9 percent income tax on those earning more than $1 million annually was part of the reason. "With the millionaire's tax," he said, his $54 million contract in Dallas "is really like $58 million in Boston."
For those of us not earning pro athlete salaries, the savings achieved by abandoning high-tax states might be less dramatic. Still, inflation and the rising cost of living make every dollar count. Combine that with the fact that more jobs can be done from anywhere, and Americans on average are wealthier than ever. As a result, more people have the means and incentive to actively choose where to live, work, and pay taxes. States must adjust to this new reality. Otherwise, they will discover, as California is, that punishing prosperity comes at a cost.
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A private organization ends dissent against its "anti-racism".
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/10/the-american-college-of-surgeons-doubles-down-on-anti-racism/
“…What is little known outside of the college is that, after the death of George Floyd, ACS [American College of Surgeons] leadership declared that the organization itself is structurally racist, expanding this claim to include its own member surgeons and even the practice of surgery itself. ACS leaders even went so far as to posit that poorer outcomes in black patients after surgery might be due to racism and that black patients might fare better if operated upon by black surgeons.
The leadership offered not a shred of evidence beyond the presence of recognized disparities to support these astounding and repugnant claims. But a lack of evidence did not stop the ACS Board of Regents from going all-out in embracing critical race theory, installing anti-racism precepts in the organization, implementing diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiatives, and creating a new executive-level department devoted to DEI.”
“…the leadership is now offering courses on them at the upcoming Clinical Congress. Offerings include:
-DEI and Antiracism Fundamentals, Skills Building, and Implementation Principles for Surgeons -How to Achieve Healthy Equity -Addressing Social Determinants of Care -The Role of Professional Organizations in Addressing Implicit Bias and Overt Discrimination in Our Profession and Society at Large
The full program reveals other courses in a similar vein.
There is, again, no evidence for these approaches. Implicit bias is the discredited concept that we all harbor unconscious racial prejudices that manifest in our interactions with those of other races. This underlies the allegation that white surgeons treat black patients differently than they do white patients. Can there be a more poisonous claim to destroy patient trust in surgeons who are not of their race? The other notions are similarly destructive.”
“The leadership decided on its present course without involvement of the membership and has shut down any discussion and debate on the subject. This includes permanently banning Fellows of the ACS who object too vociferously, even if it means violating standing rules in the bylaws of the college.
Take my own story, for example. In April 2021, the ACS leadership banned me for life from access to the online discussion forums for Fellows, from access to the members directory, and from my own private messages. The grounds for these dramatic steps: I objected to the labeling of my Fellow surgeons and me as racists, and to the characterization of the ACS as a racist organization. Because I would not back down, the Board of Regents slapped me down without due process.”
Make sure your surgeon, and GP (and airline pilot and structural engineer and anything else where skills correlate with life and death) graduated before all the woke bullshit started.
That will only sustain for about 30 years. Then we are all fucked.
They said that thirty years ago.
and they were right...we're fucked. we have a dementiate president, dimwit VP, a student populace that cannot read or write, men competing with women, people relying on CNN for news, obesity at all turns, a military that cannot find kids physically fit enough to serve...truly...we're fucked
Sorry, but that should be enough for me.
Also, make sure to only use bridges and enter buildings designed by architects and engineers with a "face that looks like yours". Racist engineering can and does lead to structures collapsing due to the presence of people who are differently "melanated" than those who designed and built them.
if ANYONE doubts that we are truly through the looking glass…https://www.oregonlive.com/education/2023/10/oregon-again-says-students-dont-need-to-prove-mastery-of-reading-writing-or-math-to-graduate-citing-harm-to-students-of-color.html
THANK YOU OREGON FOR TAKING THE "RETARDED STORY OF THE DAY" SPOTLIGHT OFF CALIFORNIA EVEN IF ONLY FOR A DAY
When pollsters start to note the reduction in respect for the medical profession...they will be BAFFLED as to why it is happening.
It already started for me. I find most to be closer to witch doctors than not. It seems, as I age, most medical problems are not curable and need constant monitoring and medicine. It is like I'm an annuity for several different doctors. It is why I am in my golden years, the medical profession gets all my gold and assure that I can't enjoy my bucket list.
My store's disability firm has been drag-assing on a claim I made back in July during my hospital stay and putting up all kinds of bullshit between me and my money. I suspect Wokeism is afoot here. The staffers are so obtuse and incompetent.
Not withstanding all the foreign doctors we have thanks to the AMA, the Clinton Administration, and Medicare.
Two words: Exit Taxes. You can leave California, your money cannot.
It's actually one word, Reichsfluchtsteuer. It loses a little in the translation.
I’d argue the German actually accentuates the conceptual philosophical thrust behind the idea and the mechanical bureaucratic physical coercion it entails. All of our shitty ideas should come in the form of German run on terms. Because the Germans probably thought if it first.
Many progressive political ideas come from Germany: socialism, fascism, neo-Marxism, radical environmentalism, health food, etc. It really is a nation full of academics who spend their government-financed jobs thinking about how the people ought to live. And you can see in German history how well that works out for the people.
Like Hoace Greely said about their schools: "Prussian efficiency."
Horace Greeley, that is.
My contribution:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleichschaltung
TIK history has a few episodes regarding that one. And the total erroneous definition of “privatization”, that basically means the opposite in Nazi germany.
I also read in a book about the einsatzgruppen they had some nifty term( I can’t remember) for guys who murder people from behind a desk. The bureaucrat cogs of the death machine. It’s like they create the misery with one concept, and then they come up with the perfect word for the miserable state they created next.
The solution CA has tried to float is taxing former residents for 10 years after they leave. All they need to do is figure out some way to enforce such an overreach.
Florida’s should declare itself a sanctuary state against California exit taxes. That should drive Newsom nuts.
Just raise taxes to fill the gap.
Do I have to think of everything?
I agree with tax-related emigration, however one must look at more than income taxes. Example: here in Louisiana we have income taxes, relatively low property taxes on your home (due to homestead exemption), and murderous tax rates on small business (big business can get “tax deferments”).
Next door in Texas where they have no income taxes the real estate taxes on modest or average homes is about 3X what they are here in Louisiana. Now I’m not a fan of high property taxes either, but one can exercise some control over those by the choice of what they choose to live in. (I’ve always thought it was a good idea to live in less house than the max you could afford to buy).
Now, let’s say you are a high earning entrepreneur, or just a well-paid CEO or “vice-president of development” in charge of making the decision of where the next development or expansion will occur and knocking down low-to-mid six figures and you have the say about the location where development money will be spent and jobs will result. Hint: a little research into the economies and growth rates and population trends of Texas and Louisiana will provide you with the answer without your having to worry that I’m a MAGA extremist lying to you.
outside of tech start-ups or podcasting networks, the idea of starting any kind of new business in CA has been something of a punchline for over a decade now.
Several national restaurant chains have avoided or refused to consider opening franchises in the State, from what I've heard.
Look at what they just did to McDonald's. Fast food minimum wage hike, but only for chain fast food, which will also be overseen by a committee of appointees who get to dictate wages and working conditions.
It's all to help the unions, and fuck the franchisees. Why would a chain want to deal with that for anything but the highest profit locations?
Soon the only ones employed at McD’s in California will be the managers and the techs setting up and repairing the robots. I’m pretty sure you can’t hire a competent tech for under $20/hour anyway, but will the $20 minimum wage give management a raise?
And the really big problem for kids wanting to establish a work record before college graduation: McD's developed ordering kiosks just because some other states were _talking about_ a $15 minimum wage, but once they had spent an immense amount for the design, they put a couple into the McD's nearest me, although the Michigan minimum wage was unchanged from $9.65. Usually most of the cost of automation is in the engineering and getting the first robot working, then duplicating that nationwide is relatively inexpensive.
So I expect that when the fast food restaurants have finished reacting to CA, most of the starter jobs for kids living with their parents who neither need a "living wage" nor are capable of earning one will be gone, here as well as CA.
And many established retail businesses have shut down locations in the last year in places with the greatest preponderance of leftist policies.
Democrats poison everything around them.
I was stunned by how low property taxes are in Louisiana and how high they are in Texas. Louisiana has been stiffing it to businesses since the days of Huey Long, a Trump style populist.
WTF are you babbling about?
charliehall thinks Trump is like Long just because he’s popular (unlike Biden and Harris who somehow won an election in spite of their unpopularity?)
Or does he think Trump “expanded social programs, organized massive public works projects, such as a modern highway system and the tallest capitol building in the nation, ..., advocated massive federal spending, a wealth tax, and wealth redistribution”? [Source: the Wikipedia article on Long.]
Or perhaps charliehall is just a leftist would-be demagogue that never bothers to look up anything because it would interfere with just making stuff up.
We should just make sure that California gets all those nice, helpful, productive illegal immigrants coming over the southern border. That'll bump their population numbers. If course, they aren't citizens, so that won't help them with their congressional representation or electoral votes. But the influx of money all those immigrants bring should make up for that.
Unfortunately, the Constitution apportions representatives and electoral votes based on the number of “inhabitants”, not citizens. California’s loose immigration policies appear to be a deliberate strategy for California to dominate the Federal Government.
Remember, kids, that inequality is a sin for the woke crowd. It will be fun to see how California leaders address this in a few years when the state population will include only the hyper-rich and working/non-working poor.
It will be fun to see how California leaders address this in a few years when the state population will include only the hyper-rich and working/non-working poor.
They will blame Republicans.
They will blame trump specifically, even if he's in jail.
The only people coming to CA (besides illegals and homeless) seem to be Social Justice activists when Gavin needs to replace senators.
https://www.wusa9.com/amp/article/news/verify/laphonza-butler-maryland-resident-california-ties-feinstein-seat/65-c6af207b-223a-49d8-a7e3-69bd235ef846
That dream is over for an estimated 343,000 Californians who fled the state between July 2021 and July 2022, according to data from the Census Bureau. That marks the third consecutive year that California has seen a net decline in population.
Just stay TF out of Idaho. Just last weekend, I saw a blue hair wearing a mask. Not a coincidence.
No, it’s not. They’ve certainly poisoned Spokane. Our next mayor may be Lisa Brown, who ran against Cathy McMorris Rodgers in 2018. Brown is a life long Marxist, who taught Soviet economic theory in Nicaragua back in the 80’s, during the Sandinista regime. She went on to grift her way into elected and appointed positions within Washington State.
The perfect Marxist democrat candidate, and likely to be the next mayor. Thanks to the influx of idiot democrats over the last five years.
MLB & NHL teams in Canada have trouble luring and keeping high earning players for this very reason. Due to Canada's high tax rates they just can't afford to give players the same take home pay they would receive on a US team.
And why would California politicians care?
Since CA is now run by "progressive" thinkers who believe that the "top 1%" should be kicking in at least 75% of the revenue needed to fund the state (and that there's literally nothing that the State shouldn't be spending money on, and no problem that shouldn't be solved exclusively by the public sector), when 1/3 of that group takes their wealth and income outside the reach of CA taxation, the state plunges from "surplus" conditions into a relatively severe deficit very quickly, and it has.
Yes, and so the people of California will be poor and miserable; they will receive a lot of federal handouts. The state is going to be deep in debt, maybe even bankrupt. Again, why do you think California politicians would care? They thrive on poverty, drugs, crime, and dysfunction, and the more they can create, the better for them.
^ this
This is their goal for the entire country. So everyone needs to ask themselves how much are they to tolerate to avoid the bloodshed necessary cleanse the Marxist plague from America.
I have become a believer in Kurt Schlichter's maxim that we cannot care about them more than they care about themselves.
The best way to cut taxes: Reduce spending! It's not as immediate, but it is far more sure. Just cut the taxes and the budget just goes out of whack and the pressure to raise taxes just increases. I mean, it's like solving a household budget shortfall by requesting a pay cut from work! If your household budget is out of whack you fix it by getting your spending under control. Austerity if necessary. A Honda instead of a Lamborghini. Meatloaf instead of Filet Mignon.
Now of course, taxes are bad. I'm not saying otherwise. But it's the government spending that is the bigger problem. Cut the taxes and the spending continues, just with debt and inflation to finance it. And debt and inflation are worse than taxation.
Okay, California can't inflate (US Constitution does not allow it, thank gawd). And the state is having problems selling bonds. So of course it keeps raising taxes. But the core problem remains the spending.
California has so much mandatory spending, that there really is no room to cut anything without major legal hurdles. But that's no excuse not to try. The old rule is the good rule: No new spending without getting rid of old spending. Want that sexy new bullet train to nowhere? Get rid of some of that old spending to make room for it.
lol they will never ever cut spending until the well is dry and then they will just abscond with their union pensions and watch the state burn. This is absolutely how it's going to play out.
Are we still shipping the homeless to California for the Libs to take care of instead spending tax money on them ourselves ?
Between the natural climate and the proliferation of "sanctuary" cities in CA (for any group you can name except for employed taxpayers), the homeless are finding their way here.
Last I heard, CA now has close to 1/3 of the national homeless population within the state borders, and around 10-12% of the overall national population. We used to also have 25% of the nation's illegal aliens (or was that just L.A. County?) but the actual closure of much of the border during the pandemic has altered that balance somewhat; odds are that a major reason for the net loss of population has been the lack of new illegals coming in to replace the fleeing taxpayers (who have had net outbound migration from CA to other states every year since at least 1995)
California is shipping them to places like Spokane. Which for the first time has a serious homeless problem.
nothing will ever stop them until they collapse.
Injecting certain metals, like lead, at high velocities into the cranium is also effective
CA Nazi's are already eating their own........
Think about it.
Shitholes like Philadelphia, Chicago, Detroit, NYC, etc are nothing compared to the smoking crater the fucking Democrats are going to turn California into.
They’ve only just begun with destroying the Golden State.
Is that a bear with a trunk or a bear in a trunk? And would his muzzle protect me like the muzzle Wokesters would put me in protect him?
🙂
😉
While it's true that California has some of the worst highways, bad schools and a functionless state bureacracy, including CARB, it does have the highest taxes of any state in the union. All good liberals know that high taxes are good. So, California is doing good by taxing the daylights out of its citizens.
California has very low property tax rates thanks to Proposition 13.
Californians are attracted to Florida and Texas because of the lack of an income tax and are shocked at what they have to pay in property taxes. And the climate is much better in California.
At least the hurricanes give us a weeks warning; earthquakes just pounce.
I've lived in both; FL is better, especially now. I bailed CA in the early 80's, because it was clear what was coming.
“earthquakes just pounce”
Like republicans?
California property taxes rates are about average. The limit of increases to below inflation has been a disaster and strongly discourages people from moving to California.
The median home listing in San Francisco has a list price of $1,300,000 (for 1,300 square feet). At the SF property tax rate of 1.18248499%, that comes to a property tax bill of $15,400/year.
The median home listing in Austin has a list price of $649,000 (for 1,740 square feet). At the Austin/Travis County property tax rate of 1.9749%, that comes to a property tax bill of $12,820/year.
So, while the tax rate is higher in Texas's tech hub than California's, the tax bill for a median home is lower by 17%, while coming with a third more living space.
So if they're actually "shocked at what they have to pay in property taxes", it's that that they're paying less property tax on more home while also not paying any income tax and paying a slightly lower combined sales tax rate (8.63% in San Francisco, 8.25% in Austin).
Will CA residents are shocked by a lot of things.
You can get a 4000 sq house with a lot or 2 of open ground in Texas for the price of a 1500 sq house in CA.
That hasn't been true since the 1980s.
California has had negative net domestic migration "for decades" at this point. Since 1990, there have been exactly three years where California had positive net domestic migration -- 1991, 1999, and 2000.
It is true that total population growth didn't go negative until recently, but that was because of A) non-Americans moving to California and B) people resident in California having children faster than Americans could move out of the state. What's changed recently is that those forces no longer are keeping pace with the Americans leaving California in droves.
You left out that CA is trying to tax you even if you leave for up to 10 yrs. I don't know how that is legal but that is what they want to try to do
State like Florida should declare themselves sanctuary states against such unconstitutional from democrat shitholes like California.
But why would Florida want more rich a#$%oles from California?
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